RE: trouble redeeming iTunes card with camera

[Simon Fogarty]

Donna,

I know this is a stupid question really but I have to ask to make sure.

 Have you opened the app store redeem feature or itunes redeem feature and 
clicked the option to redeem using your phones camera?

 Then as mark said make sure you peal the paper cover off the number 
I have found a couple of times that I needed to just clean the strip up by 
rubbing my thumb over the number of the card.

When your phone is over the card the camera should pick the number up and let 
you know it has been redeemed.

 You can if you've got a sighted person around you get them to tell you the 
number and manualy input it.

Good luck.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, 4 September 2016 8:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: trouble redeeming iTunes card with camera

Hi Mark,

Well, this is interesting.  I tried what you suggested with my phone, but am 
getting nothing.  Maybe the problem really is the card.  I've done this dozens 
of times on my Mac and never had a problem before.

By the way, I didn't know there was a Money-Reader app for the Mac.  I've 
always just used the one on my phone.  Thanks also for that info.

Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 2:50 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> The most important thing about redeeming a gift card, at least one that has a 
> pre-paid fixed amount on it, is that you must remove a thin, and I do mean a 
> thin strip of paper-tape that covers the actual locking code.  
> 
> Now, once this is done, the phone will actually detect the card as long as 
> you have at least 1 foot of distance between the card and the phone.  
> 
> Just lay the card down on a surface and try to center the phone's camera 
> lense in the center of the card, then raise the card up about a foot or 
> so--about the length of your elbow to tip of fingers.  
> 
> The app will detect the card and let you know when the card has been 
> successfully redeemed.  
> 
> Make certain that the screen does not lock while you are positioning the 
> phone.
> 
> I just redeemed a gift card, yesterday, using iPhone, so I know that this 
> feature is VoiceOver accessible.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 12:35 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: trouble redeeming iTunes card with camera
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for this. I actually tried redeeming it from my iPhone, but I couldn't 
> figure out how to position the card. How do you do this. I know where the 
> code is, just don't know how best to position it so the camera can see it.
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 2:32 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> I have never used my Mac to redeem a gift card.  I use the iPhone.  
>> 
>> However, if you have the money reader app installed on your Mac, try reading 
>> a couple of bills.  
>> 
>> Also, see if the card can be redeemed on your iPhone.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 11:08 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: trouble redeeming iTunes card with camera
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm trying to redeem an iTunes card using my camera.  Usually, when I do 
>> this, VO says recognizing code or something like that.  But now, when I put 
>> the card up to my Mac and pull my hand back, I'm hearing nothing.  this is 
>> making me wonder if my camera is actually on, even though VO has said 
>> "Camera enabled." Does anyone have any idea what might be going on, or know 
>> of a way for me to confirm that the camera is actually working?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Processor usage

[Terje Strømberg]

Hi,

Some observations in apples own activity monitor regarding cpu usage. My mac 
have 4 cores. If the apple built in activity monitor shows that mail ar using 
40% cpu usage, apple monitor are adding cpu 1, 2, 3 and 4. 10 + 10 + 10 + 10%. 
So the cpu usage is in real time using 10%. According to apples own built in 
activity monitor the cpu limit is 400%. 100% for each core. 

After backup mail app needed to download all the messages again. The cpu usage 
was above 90% in short time frames, but above 70% for more than one minute more 
than two times. I have set the MenuBar Stat app to notify if the cpu usage 
increase more that 70%. I thought that mail using so much cpu resourcees even 
when downloading. No that i know 100% is like 20% it makes more sense to what 
to expect. The peak from apple built in activity monitor was about 280% in 
short time peaks. 

So my iMac late 2012 still hold its ground for normal use after all. Also, i 
have never seen the ram usage above 6GB. 8GB may still be enough. 

Take care

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Replacing a local copy of a song in iTunes with the iCloud match?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I have some songs that I imported from CDs, and I'd like to replace them with 
the matched versions.  You used to be able to do this by interacting with the 
place where it said download/local, but that doesn't seem to be an option in 
the current version of iTunes.  Anyone know how to do this in the current 
version?
TIA,
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Re: Replacing a local copy of a song in iTunes with the iCloud match?

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The best way I have found to do this, is delete the local copy, and download it 
again from iTunes match.

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> Hi all,
> 
> I have some songs that I imported from CDs, and I'd like to replace them with 
> the matched versions.  You used to be able to do this by interacting with the 
> place where it said download/local, but that doesn't seem to be an option in 
> the current version of iTunes.  Anyone know how to do this in the current 
> version?
> TIA,
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Re: Replacing a local copy of a song in iTunes with the iCloud match?

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Cliff.  As I think about it, that may have been how I did it before, 
it's just been a while.  thanks for the help.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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> The best way I have found to do this, is delete the local copy, and download 
> it again from iTunes match.
> 
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>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have some songs that I imported from CDs, and I'd like to replace them 
>> with the matched versions.  You used to be able to do this by interacting 
>> with the place where it said download/local, but that doesn't seem to be an 
>> option in the current version of iTunes.  Anyone know how to do this in the 
>> current version?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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RE: Skype Home is unavailable

[M. Taylor]

Yes,

I received a error message when I first started Skype on my Mac.  

Mark

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Subject: Skype Home is unavailable

Running 7.35 and still get this message on the Mac. Isa anyone else seeing 
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Re: Skype Home is unavailable

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I am not getting this message.
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> On Sep 4, 2016, at 2:38 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Yes,
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> I received a error message when I first started Skype on my Mac.  
> 
> Mark
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Re: Skype Home is unavailable

[E.T.]

   Seems to be working now but still do not see my Skype contacts. I 
see them on Skype for iPhone


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On 9/4/2016 12:38 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

Yes,

I received a error message when I first started Skype on my Mac.

Mark

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Re: Skype Home is unavailable

[Joseph Hudson]

Hello ET, I was able to send it to Skype, interact with my contacts list, and 
see all of my Skype contacts. Running the latest version of Skype. 7.29 is what 
I have.
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> On Sep 4, 2016, at 5:19 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Seems to be working now but still do not see my Skype contacts. I see them 
> on Skype for iPhone
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> On 9/4/2016 12:38 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Yes,
>> 
>> I received a error message when I first started Skype on my Mac.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: In need of help trying to find keyboard commands for brio edge 40

[David Chittenden]

The Braille Edge is made by Hims Inc.



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> On 4 Sep 2016, at 12:17, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> Who makes the Braille Edge?  I’ll see if I can help you out.  Please write to 
> me off list.
> 
> 
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>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>> Are there any places that I can go to find the proper keyboard commands to 
>> use my braille edge 40 display? I am having difficulties navigating my 
>> MacBook Pro 13 inch model with my display. I am new to using my new display 
>> with my MacBook Pro 13 inch computer which is a 2015 mono. If anyone has any 
>> suggestions I would greatly appreciate your assistance. I will be taking a 
>> class online and I need to be able to navigate through the website 
>> successfully in order for me to complete my class. Thank you so much and 
>> have a great day.
>> Sincerely, Chenelle Hancock.
>>> 
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Re: In need of help trying to find keyboard commands for brio edge 40

[David Chittenden]

When any braille display is connected to a Mac, press VO (control + option) f8. 
Interact with the listview with VO shift down-arrow, VO up or down arrow to 
braille. Stop interacting with the list view with VO shift up-arrow. VO right 
arrow to the braille display tab and activate it with VO space. VO right-arrow 
to the table of commands and interact with it. Now, going through the table 
will give all commands and their braille display keypresses. This is different 
depending on the display. Also, it is user configurable. I use this method when 
I need to know how to do something using a braille display on my Mac.

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>> Hello everyone,
> Are there any places that I can go to find the proper keyboard commands to 
> use my braille edge 40 display? I am having difficulties navigating my 
> MacBook Pro 13 inch model with my display. I am new to using my new display 
> with my MacBook Pro 13 inch computer which is a 2015 mono. If anyone has any 
> suggestions I would greatly appreciate your assistance. I will be taking a 
> class online and I need to be able to navigate through the website 
> successfully in order for me to complete my class. Thank you so much and have 
> a great day.
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

Is this part of the bluetooth 4.2 spec?  i know the new apple products are 
speaking bluetooth 4.2.

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I think I misunderstood the post about the headphone jack and where it was 
> regarding this Griffin device. What I want to know, and maybe will find out 
> after they do a teardown, is whether the new iPhone is going to support that 
> standard that sounds like avtex, it's for Bluetooth. Lots of android devices 
> have it, but Apple doesn't. It makes Bluetooth audio better.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has 
>> a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 
>> 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the 
>> latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
>> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around 
>> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where 
>> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
>> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between 
>> charges may not be that long.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
>>> jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr >>> > wrote:
 
 Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
 believe.
 
 https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter 
 
 
 This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
 least someone is trying.
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg  > wrote:
> 
> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who 
> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both 
> lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
> 
> Take care 
> 
> 
>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen > >:
>> 
>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
>> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope 
>> the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did 
>> this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New 
>> Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably 
>> livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want 
>> this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most 
>> people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone 
>> jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm 
>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to 
>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of 
>> the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess 
>> I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can 
>> have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, 
>> even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a 
>> stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really 
>> upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves 
>> these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn 
>> bad.
>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost 
>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for 
>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were 
>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and 
>> it's difficult to get thr

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s the 
phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty snappy.

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has 
> a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 
> 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the 
> latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around 
> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where 
> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between 
> charges may not be that long.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
>> jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
>>> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
>>> believe.
>>> 
>>> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at least 
>>> someone is trying.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who 
 had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both 
 lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
 
 Take care 
 
 
> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen :
> 
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope 
> the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this 
> and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New 
> Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably 
> livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want 
> this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most 
> people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone 
> jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm 
> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to 
> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of 
> the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess 
> I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can 
> have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, even 
> when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid 
> pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really upsetting. 
> For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these days, 
> and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad.
> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost 
> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for 
> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were 
> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and 
> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the 
> need to charge something.
> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, 
> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, 
> which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of 
> honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its 
> accessibility market.
> Something 

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Mary Otten]

No, I don't believe so. Several android devices, such as Nexus 6P and even my 
Nexus six, support this standard. Maybe it's not a standard. Maybe it's a 
protocol. All I know is, it is supposed to make Bluetooth audio better. I need 
to find out how it's spelled that would really help. There have been various 
reviews of Bluetooth devices decrying the fact that apples I devices don't 
support this, whereas lots of android ones do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Is this part of the bluetooth 4.2 spec?  i know the new apple products are 
> speaking bluetooth 4.2.
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I misunderstood the post about the headphone jack and where it was 
>> regarding this Griffin device. What I want to know, and maybe will find out 
>> after they do a teardown, is whether the new iPhone is going to support that 
>> standard that sounds like avtex, it's for Bluetooth. Lots of android devices 
>> have it, but Apple doesn't. It makes Bluetooth audio better.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device 
>>> has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using 
>>> Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we 
>>> could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
>>> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around 
>>> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where 
>>> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
>>> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between 
>>> charges may not be that long.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>> 
 On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
 jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
> believe.
> 
> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter
> 
> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
> least someone is trying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who 
>> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both 
>> lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
>> 
>> Take care 
>> 
>> 
>>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen :
>>> 
>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
>>> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to 
>>> hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they 
>>> did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here 
>>> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are 
>>> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people 
>>> don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the 
>>> benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the 
>>> lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm 
>>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to 
>>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful 
>>> of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I 
>>> guess I would like to think that since we know what impact 
>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the 
>>> needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But 
>>> that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the 
>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's 
>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown 
>>> under the bus, well too damn bad.
>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearin

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Mary Otten]

Did this 5220 replace your legend?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s the 
> phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty 
> snappy.
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has 
>> a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 
>> 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the 
>> latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
>> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around 
>> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where 
>> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
>> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between 
>> charges may not be that long.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
>>> jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
 
 Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
 believe.
 
 https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter
 
 This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
 least someone is trying.
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who 
> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both 
> lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
> 
> Take care 
> 
> 
>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen :
>> 
>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
>> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope 
>> the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did 
>> this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New 
>> Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably 
>> livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want 
>> this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most 
>> people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone 
>> jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm 
>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to 
>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of 
>> the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess 
>> I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can 
>> have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, 
>> even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a 
>> stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really 
>> upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves 
>> these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn 
>> bad.
>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost 
>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for 
>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were 
>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and 
>> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the 
>> need to charge something.
>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't 
>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, 
>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This 
>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of 
>> badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all ov

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

Hi, so you’re the one person on the planet who wouldn’t want a thinner phone so 
rule that out right away.  There are massive efforts underway to make phones 
thinner and more durable not to mention any space savings doesn’t necessarily 
have to  be used for making a phone thinner or smaller but could be used for 
adding more components.  When you budget the space inside a phone now you deal 
in fractions of millimeters.  Every millimeter saved here and there adds up 
quickly to more room for say a slightly larger battery or larger foot print 
processor, maybe a different antenna design.
Next, using a port like a lightning or usb-c allows the port to be 
fortified more so you could in fact waterproof the phone easier.  That’s one 
effort underway now with the iPhone.
Why else would you switch to an all digital port.  Sound quality is 
definitely one reason and why you wouldn’t want that improved is beyond me but 
to each their own.  One thing that could be done is an all digital signal could 
be dropped in to the headset and fun things could be done with sound 
cancelation which would be made easier because there would be no need to 
redigitize the data.  Each time you convert from analog to digital and back you 
lose data and part of the sound do to quantization error induced by clock drift 
among other things.  So if my headset is sampling a signal that’s already being 
digitally reconstructed there’s going to be drift, if that data is handed 
through natively digital you can lock your headset to the phone’s timer and 
everybody is happy and synchronized not to mention like I said all the creative 
math you can now do to improve the sound.
You can carry other data now to the headset so I could for example pick 
up your pulse, maybe measure movement, blood oxygen and so forth as just a 
censor package in the headset itself.  Jawbone is doing some work with headsets 
and censors as an example.
Maybe instead of a headset for headphones i want to provide you a full 
headset with goggles and wrap around screens complete with head tracker.  How 
cool to plug your Occulist rift right in to your phone for example.  Games like 
pokémon go which are augmented reality games would benefit from such technology 
not to mention the industrial applications.  
The lightning port is a powerful port now.  I use it today to convert 
5.8 ghz signals from a drone  in to a form that my phone can use to record the 
video or fly the drone by sending flight commands to a controller that’s paired 
via lightning.  

There’s a ton of things that could be done with headsets though and not only 
that but even more that could be done with the space savings.

You must be the last person on earth though who likes  carrying a brick.  
Everyone I deal with wants slimmer / more stylized phones.  Another thing they 
want is the camera bump to go away so the phones would be just smooth surfaces 
and again easier to seal up and more space savings.  So there’s a lot more to 
the argument.





> On Sep 3, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Marshall Scott  wrote:
> 
> I'd like to know what is gained by using the Lightening port for audio 
> input/output.  If it is improved audio quality; I'm not sure it is worth it.  
> If it is just to make the iPhone thinner, I think it is too thin already.
> 
> I also don't want to use an adapter because it is yet another thing to carry 
> around, lose or have it break..
> 
> And not being deaf, I was unaware of the issues Johnathon raised.  I think it 
> would be a bad idea to block out deaf-blind users regardless of Apple's 
> reasons.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Hmm, isn’t there a way of charging the phone with some magnetic charger?
>> Like you charge the Apple Watch.
>> If thats the problem.
>> I can’t see any other problems so please let me know whats so bad about no 
>> headphone jack so i can understand.
>> /A
>>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 10:28, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
>>> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
>>> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
>>> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. 
>>> I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
>>> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
>>> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
>>> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
>>> people to sit it out.
>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
>>> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about 
>>> the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it 
>>> may hav

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

Actually, there’s no such universal law. In fact, current inflation theory 
postulates that the universe expands indefinitely and eventually just cools to 
absolute 0  once the stars have all burned out and the blackholes evaporated.  
New universes form in new bubbles in the same medium so think about bubbles in 
the bath as sort of an analogy you can get your head around to visualize 
roughly the life cycle.
 

By the way, this monolith of a company that you find is so evil provides 
incomes and good livings for millions of people around the world.  In just one 
plant where iPhones are made hundreds of thousands of employees produce the 
products we all enjoy.  Apple, this evil company, hires the disabled at higher 
rates than most and even puts disabled people in customer facing rolls in their 
stores as well as all over the company.  Many blind people on this list are 
lucky enough and smart enough to have been selected to work for this horrible 
organization.
Now maybe a bunch of fat cats in Brussels would like to force their 
will on the Irish and dictate what they should tax but to me that’s evil 
bureaucracy impinging on free enterprise.  If the Irish wish to Charge Apple 
12% corporate tax then they should, as should we.  I know the main landers and 
other parts of the UK are Jealous of our Irish friends who built the Silicon 
Valley of Europe in their country but as they say, T.S. Eliot, lower your own 
taxes if you want to win the business.
This evil company that’s to big for it’s britches as you claim 
represents 25% based on current allocations of many people’s retirement funds 
do to it’s heavy distribution in mutual funds.  This evil corporation takes 
it’s income and shares it with each stock holder thus each retirement fund 
holder and stock holder and so forth around the world in the form of a 
dividend.  Many pension funds, government funds and even bank investments and 
large piles of government money is invested in Apple sharing in it’s success.  
Just look for example how much Apple CALPERS (California employees pension 
fund) owns.  Lots of teachers, police officers, bus drivers, janitors, and any 
number of state employees have all benefitted from the Steves.

So when you make these claims please make sure you also look at the other side. 
 Apple is not an evil corporation.  They do not unnecessarily mine data, they 
protect we US citizens from over reaches by our government and violation of our 
civil liberties, they promote diverse work environments, hire the disabled, 
support gender equality and all forms of equal treatment, they provide 
accessibility solutions across all products, expend considerable effort in 
environmental best practices and support tens of thousands of businesses around 
the world.  There are corporations that I would consider Evil, the corporation 
to reelect Hillary being one but Apple is not evil.  Tim Cook may be a lot of 
things but Evil is not one.


 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> Well said Jonathan. You are quite right to stand up and speak your mind on 
> what is an important issue for people like yourself who have a hearing 
> impairment. This is not something that impacts me personally, but thankfully 
> I have that very human trait of being able to put myself in the shoes of 
> those it does. 
> 
> Furthermore, I do not have any shares in the monolith we have all come to 
> know as 'Apple,' and thus care not one jot for justifiable criticism of a 
> company that has grown far too big for its boots. Such entities tend to treat 
> individuals, societies and even whole countries and continents with contempt. 
> They rather stupidly forget the universal law that nothing can expand for 
> ever.
> 
> So Jonathan, keep up the good work and let no one on this list or any other 
> intimidate you out of   speaking up for what you believe in.
> Best Wishes
> Martin  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 9:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
> iPhone seven
> 
> hi David, there is certainly some bullying and personal attack that goes on 
> here, but sadly that's the nature of a lot of email lists. People think they 
> can drown people out because they have nothing better to do than to post 
> multiple messages that become increasingly personal as the flaws in their 
> argument are exposed. Personal attack is always the resort of those whose 
> argument is weak.
> What I will say to you though is that as you can see from the list, there are 
> a number of us who have been trying to make a difference, hopefully to fend 
> off a situation where we have to wait some time before our use case is 
> addressed. I hope very much we've succeeded. If not, we keep going.
> It was interesting to read a piece 

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

Anders, of course you could or you could beam the charge right through the air 
through inductance or use a charging matt.  There are several wireless charging 
standards as well as the watch type magnetic connector.

Of course this is a solvable problem.
 

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Hmm, isn’t there a way of charging the phone with some magnetic charger?
> Like you charge the Apple Watch.
> If thats the problem.
> I can’t see any other problems so please let me know whats so bad about no 
> headphone jack so i can understand.
> /A
>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 10:28, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
>> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
>> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
>> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
>> the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
>> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
>> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
>> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
>> people to sit it out.
>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
>> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
>> possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may 
>> have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might 
>> be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of 
>> others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that 
>> since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we 
>> would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't 
>> affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and 
>> I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems 
>> like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown 
>> under the bus, well too damn bad.
>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all 
>> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone 
>> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, 
>> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult 
>> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge 
>> something.
>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
>> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which 
>> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, 
>> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market.
>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And 
>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in 
>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully 
>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its iDevices. 
>> It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its own personal 
>> computers, meaning you won't be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods 
>> even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry 
>> around with you, unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the 
>> port you want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd.
>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking Apple 
>> over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has given them 
>> a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable for daily 
>> use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going to be 
>> stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is 
>> certainly going to be a backlash.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mary,
>>> 
>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an 
>>> active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have alternatives 
>>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay 
>>> attention.  
>>> 
>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous 
>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so 
>>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so.
>>> 
>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

Simon, you have a good point, next years phone is going to be a much bigger 
deal.  It’s the 10 year release right?

I’ll get a 7 just because why not.  I sell off or give away the previous years 
phone so it’s usually a financial wash and doesn’t end up costing me anything.  
One great thing about Apple products is the resale value.  iPhones do hold 
their value nicely.

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott and others,
> 
> As I've said I'm not a hearing impaired / aid user and I appreciate things 
> must be more difficult for you guys and girls in that area.
> 
> However this is going to be a new device and can you tell me that when the 
> first iPhones came out that they catered for you guys first off with your 
> requirements?
> 
> I can understand that hey a new device should contain these required 
> functions brought forward from the older device 
> But in life to go forward you often have to go backwards first.
> 
> I would think that apple or should I say I hope apple are now looking at this 
> going shit, we've got a group of users now missing out.
> 
> Less we forget all good things take time
> 
> Apple have been very good with providing accessibility in their products and 
> I'd be very surprised if they weren't now trying to correct this oversight.
> 
> But you still have options with the older devices still allowing for your 
> requirements  
> But lets face it I'm more interested in the next phone than the release next 
> week, 
> They will correct and add features to what comes out in 2017.
> 
> sf
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Davert
> Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
> iPhone seven
> 
> Hello all. I'm going to address several messages at once on this thread.
> Jonathan: you are 100% correct about the access issue for those of us who 
> wear hearing aids and who are blind. Sadly, the market is rarely designed wit 
> our needs being considered because, as you say, we're such a small minority. 
> And within that minority, how many of us are actively reading online articles 
> and tracking tech trends to even push this issue forward? I, too, have 
> utilized my contacts at Apple to try and make them aware of this issue. While 
> I doubt we will reverse hardware development, perhaps they will at least give 
> our user case some consideration and may figure out a way to address it. 
> Without going in to detail, it does seem that bluetooth audio in iOS 10 is a 
> bit less laggy, but we still have all of the other issues you mentioned 
> concerning battery life and so on.
> Mike: regarding your question of Android accessibility, since I think it's 
> somewhat relevant to this discussion, my issue isn't so much with TalkBack, 
> but with BrailleBack. As someone who has taken to primarily accessing my 
> devices through braille displays, Android has a long long way to go in terms 
> of giving equal access to the operating system.
> TalkBack has certainly come a long way, but BrailleBack has not. I have 
> passed along numerous bits of feedback to Google on this issue, and all the 
> responses are get are things like: then stick with iOS.
> Now the standard response seems to be that since BrailleBack is open source, 
> Google expects someone else to solve their problems for them.
> You can have decent braille access on Android if you wish to shell out a few 
> grand for a BrailleNote Touch which is already running an outdated version of 
> the OS, but this, too, has many limitations.
> 
> Thanks for reading,
> Scott
> 
> On 9/2/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> Well, I've gotten rather into Android and Linux a lot lately, although 
>> I still use my iPhone for reading email until I can find a mod for my 
>> device that'll give me Android 6 or 7, so if Apple does something I 
>> don't like, I have options I can turn to.
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/02/2016 04:06 AM, Portia Scott wrote:
>>> Yes, it will be interesting to see, For me as well. I am not one of 
>>> those who buy the latest and greatest Devices right away anymore, 
>>> either. LOL. I used to be, but I have grown a lot, and learned not to 
>>> be like that anymore. As people say, only time will tell what happens.
>>> 
>>> Take care, and have a wonderful day.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
 On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:22 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 I will be interested to see the headphones they have with the new 
 phones when they are released.
 
 I use my current ones for pretty much everything when I'm out and 
 about including using my MBA so people don't hear it talking or so I 
 can  hear things with out the surrounding noises
 
 If these new phones are some new form of BT then I'll be happy if 
 they can connect to multiple devices such as my iPhone iPad and MBA.
 Oh and my

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

Ok Simon, now that’s funny!

Well played sir.


> On Sep 2, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> And that’s what she said!
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
> iPhone seven
>  
> Um, money has nothing to do with this.
>  
> What’s the real factors are size / thickness and durability.  You can seal up 
> that lightning port against water and damage easily and it’s a thinner 
> package than a headphone jack so you can shave a millimeter or 2 from the 
> thickness which really is a big deal.  You could also almost grow the case on 
> to the phone making it super durable with no joints.
>  
>  
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Michael Marshall  > wrote:
>  
> There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed.
> The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money.
> On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
>  
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
> the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
> people to sit it out.
> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
> possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may 
> have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might 
> be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, 
> such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we 
> know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be 
> sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us 
> directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found 
> the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's 
> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the 
> bus, well too damn bad.
> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all 
> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone 
> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, 
> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult 
> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge 
> something.
> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which 
> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, 
> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market.
> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And 
> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in 
> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully 
> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its iDevices. 
> It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its own personal 
> computers, meaning you won't be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods even 
> with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry 
> around with you, unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the 
> port you want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd.
> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking Apple 
> over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has given them a 
> great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable for daily use. 
> Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going to be stuck. 
> Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is certainly 
> going to be a backlash.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>  
> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hello Mary,
>

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

I thought it was the Samsung that used USB for their headsets.  I remember 
something on my S5 but don’t remember the specifics.  I thought there was 
either an adapter that provided the 3.5 or the included headset had a USB port 
on the end  instead of a stereo jack.

Been a couple years though so I don’t remember.

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> The samsungs do use micro USB for charging,
>  
> Are you meaning that as a connection media for headphones?
>  
> I have a feeling I’ve seen something like that in a phone recently.
> Talking about Samsung,
>  
> They just recalled all their note 7 devices due to some of them having burst 
> in to flames,
>  
>   Wonder what apple have got for a magic trick in the iPhone 7?
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:29 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
> iPhone seven
>  
> Mary, i could be way wrong here but I thought the Samsung S5 at least had a 
> usb port where you attached the headphones with an adapter.  I could be 
> remembering wrong though.
>  
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>  
> Samsung tried what? Samsung did not remove the headphone jack. They took away 
> the storage card slot. And they brought it back, because people complain. 
> They took away the user replaceable battery. They did not bring that back, 
> despite complaint. They do what they want. There is no immediately efficient 
> replacement for that storage card slot. Apple has never had one. People have 
> complained forever about the fact that it is harder to access the whole file 
> system on Apple devices. As Apple change that? No they have not.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Michael Marshall  > wrote:
> 
> There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed.
> The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money.
> On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
>  
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
> the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
> people to sit it out.
> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
> possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may 
> have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might 
> be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, 
> such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we 
> know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be 
> sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us 
> directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found 
> the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's 
> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the 
> bus, well too damn bad.
> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all 
> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone 
> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, 
> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult 
> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge 
> something.
> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which 
> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, 
> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market.
> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And 
> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in 
> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully 
> managed industry-wide adoption. Bu

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today.  Was 
going to post a review if there was any interest.

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Did this 5220 replace your legend?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
>> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s 
>> the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty 
>> snappy.
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device 
>>> has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using 
>>> Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we 
>>> could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
>>> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around 
>>> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where 
>>> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
>>> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between 
>>> charges may not be that long.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
 On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
 That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
 jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> 
> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
> believe.
> 
> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter 
> 
> 
> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
> least someone is trying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who 
>> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both 
>> lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
>> 
>> Take care 
>> 
>> 
>>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen >> >:
>>> 
>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
>>> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to 
>>> hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they 
>>> did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here 
>>> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are 
>>> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people 
>>> don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the 
>>> benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the 
>>> lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm 
>>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to 
>>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful 
>>> of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I 
>>> guess I would like to think that since we know what impact 
>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the 
>>> needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But 
>>> that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the 
>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's 
>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown 
>>> under the bus, well too damn bad.
>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost 
>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for 
>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even i

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[E.T.]

   No matter how one might try to stretch this, there is absolutely no 
connection between the laws of nature which governs all and are 
absolute, or the man-made endeavors like Apple.


   The incredible truth is, we are but a speck in the vastness of the 
universe. And it terrifies some people.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/4/2016 6:44 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Actually, there’s no such universal law. In fact, current inflation theory 
postulates that the universe expands indefinitely and eventually just cools to 
absolute 0  once the stars have all burned out and the blackholes evaporated.  
New universes form in new bubbles in the same medium so think about bubbles in 
the bath as sort of an analogy you can get your head around to visualize 
roughly the life cycle.


By the way, this monolith of a company that you find is so evil provides 
incomes and good livings for millions of people around the world.  In just one 
plant where iPhones are made hundreds of thousands of employees produce the 
products we all enjoy.  Apple, this evil company, hires the disabled at higher 
rates than most and even puts disabled people in customer facing rolls in their 
stores as well as all over the company.  Many blind people on this list are 
lucky enough and smart enough to have been selected to work for this horrible 
organization.
Now maybe a bunch of fat cats in Brussels would like to force their 
will on the Irish and dictate what they should tax but to me that’s evil 
bureaucracy impinging on free enterprise.  If the Irish wish to Charge Apple 
12% corporate tax then they should, as should we.  I know the main landers and 
other parts of the UK are Jealous of our Irish friends who built the Silicon 
Valley of Europe in their country but as they say, T.S. Eliot, lower your own 
taxes if you want to win the business.
This evil company that’s to big for it’s britches as you claim 
represents 25% based on current allocations of many people’s retirement funds 
do to it’s heavy distribution in mutual funds.  This evil corporation takes 
it’s income and shares it with each stock holder thus each retirement fund 
holder and stock holder and so forth around the world in the form of a 
dividend.  Many pension funds, government funds and even bank investments and 
large piles of government money is invested in Apple sharing in it’s success.  
Just look for example how much Apple CALPERS (California employees pension 
fund) owns.  Lots of teachers, police officers, bus drivers, janitors, and any 
number of state employees have all benefitted from the Steves.

So when you make these claims please make sure you also look at the other side. 
 Apple is not an evil corporation.  They do not unnecessarily mine data, they 
protect we US citizens from over reaches by our government and violation of our 
civil liberties, they promote diverse work environments, hire the disabled, 
support gender equality and all forms of equal treatment, they provide 
accessibility solutions across all products, expend considerable effort in 
environmental best practices and support tens of thousands of businesses around 
the world.  There are corporations that I would consider Evil, the corporation 
to reelect Hillary being one but Apple is not evil.  Tim Cook may be a lot of 
things but Evil is not one.




On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Martin Brown  wrote:

Well said Jonathan. You are quite right to stand up and speak your mind on what 
is an important issue for people like yourself who have a hearing impairment. 
This is not something that impacts me personally, but thankfully I have that 
very human trait of being able to put myself in the shoes of those it does.

Furthermore, I do not have any shares in the monolith we have all come to know 
as 'Apple,' and thus care not one jot for justifiable criticism of a company 
that has grown far too big for its boots. Such entities tend to treat 
individuals, societies and even whole countries and continents with contempt. 
They rather stupidly forget the universal law that nothing can expand for ever.

So Jonathan, keep up the good work and let no one on this list or any other 
intimidate you out of   speaking up for what you believe in.
Best Wishes
Martin

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 9:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone 
seven

hi David, there is certainly some bullying and personal attack that goes on 
here, but sadly that's the nature of a lot of email lists. People think they 
can drown people out because they have nothing better to do than to post 
multiple messages that become increasingly personal as the flaws in their 
argument are exposed. Personal attack is always the resort of those whose 
argume

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Mary Otten]

I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow to adopt a new 
headset when my old one actually still work, I just recently purchased the 
legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On the other hand, it lasted 
forever on the road trip, and with a little box that you put it in, it 
recharges and you just keep going and going like the energizer bunny. Anyway, 
no lag is a good thing. So I for one am interested in the review.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the collection today.  
> Was going to post a review if there was any interest.
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Did this 5220 replace your legend?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
>>> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s 
>>> the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is 
>>> pretty snappy.
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
 
 Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device 
 has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using 
 Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we 
 could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
 If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a 
 work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the 
 position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which 
 hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long 
 periods, time between charges may not be that long.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a 
> headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
>> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
>> believe.
>> 
>> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter
>> 
>> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
>> least someone is trying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who 
>>> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with 
>>> both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
>>> 
>>> Take care 
>>> 
>>> 
 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen :
 
 I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
 huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to 
 hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they 
 did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here 
 in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are 
 justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people 
 don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the 
 benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the 
 lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
 That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
 because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
 blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the 
 alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was 
 naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and 
 respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing 
 impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact 
 inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to 
 the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. 
 But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the 
 whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's 
 everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown 
>

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Mary Otten]

Did you try the Beta with your legend? Or did you get rid of the legend?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s the 
> phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty 
> snappy.
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device has 
>> a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using Bluetooth 
>> 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we could hit the 
>> latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
>> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around 
>> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where 
>> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
>> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between 
>> charges may not be that long.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
>>> jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
 
 Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
 believe.
 
 https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter
 
 This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
 least someone is trying.
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who 
> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both 
> lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
> 
> Take care 
> 
> 
>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen :
>> 
>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
>> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope 
>> the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did 
>> this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New 
>> Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably 
>> livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want 
>> this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most 
>> people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone 
>> jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm 
>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to 
>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of 
>> the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess 
>> I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can 
>> have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, 
>> even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a 
>> stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really 
>> upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves 
>> these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn 
>> bad.
>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost 
>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for 
>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were 
>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and 
>> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the 
>> need to charge something.
>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't 
>> then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, 
>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This 
>> company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of 
>> badge of hono

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Granados]

Nope, still have the legend.  I have a pile of bluetooth headsets you could 
open a phone store with.:)  It seems snappier than the Legend.

Another thing is the transitions from say handsfree to A2DP with voiceover are 
much faster.

 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Did you try the Beta with your legend? Or did you get rid of the legend?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
>> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s 
>> the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is pretty 
>> snappy.
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device 
>>> has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using 
>>> Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we 
>>> could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
>>> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a work-around 
>>> of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the position where 
>>> you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which hardly represents 
>>> progress. For people who keep VO talking for long periods, time between 
>>> charges may not be that long.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
 On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
 That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a headphone 
 jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> 
> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
> believe.
> 
> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter 
> 
> 
> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
> least someone is trying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who 
>> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with both 
>> lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
>> 
>> Take care 
>> 
>> 
>>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen >> >:
>>> 
>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
>>> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to 
>>> hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they 
>>> did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here 
>>> in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are 
>>> justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people 
>>> don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the 
>>> benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the 
>>> lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm 
>>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to 
>>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful 
>>> of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I 
>>> guess I would like to think that since we know what impact 
>>> inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the 
>>> needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But 
>>> that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the 
>>> whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's 
>>> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown 
>>> under the bus, well too damn bad.
>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost 
>>>

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Mary Otten]

Well nuts. I just saw one Amazon wants for that headset, and it is expensive! 
By the way, the protocol or whenever you want to call it that I have been 
talking about isaptx.  It's an alternative compression method. I just found an 
article that's two years old, which is why am not bothering to link it. I'm 
sure there must be more advanced more current articles that will tell more 
about it and whether it's worth anything. But back to that 5220 headset. I 
sought on Amazon for a whopping $180. I don't think so. I would love to have 
something with the characteristics you described. But the price needs to come 
down a bit.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Nope, still have the legend.  I have a pile of bluetooth headsets you could 
> open a phone store with.:)  It seems snappier than the Legend.
> 
> Another thing is the transitions from say handsfree to A2DP with voiceover 
> are much faster.
> 
>  
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you try the Beta with your legend? Or did you get rid of the legend?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the lag is almost non 
>>> existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220.  I’m not sure if it’s 
>>> the phone or the headset taking the difference but the combination is 
>>> pretty snappy.
>>> 
 On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
 
 Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the Griffin device 
 has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your iPhone using 
 Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the iPhone 7, we 
 could hit the latency issues that we all know about with VO and BT devices.
 If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could be a 
 work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got yourself in the 
 position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack charged, which 
 hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking for long 
 periods, time between charges may not be that long.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It requires a 
> headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this issue.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which will turn any 
>> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set.  They will sell it for 19.99 I 
>> believe.
>> 
>> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter
>> 
>> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a problem, but, at 
>> least someone is trying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe japaneese who 
>>> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an adapter with 
>>> both lightning port and 3.5mm jack. 
>>> 
>>> Take care 
>>> 
>>> 
 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen :
 
 I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
 huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to 
 hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they 
 did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here 
 in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are 
 justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people 
 don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the 
 benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the 
 lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
 That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
 because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
 blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the 
 alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was 
 naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and 
 respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing 
 impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact 
 inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sen