Hi, so you’re the one person on the planet who wouldn’t want a thinner phone so
rule that out right away. There are massive efforts underway to make phones
thinner and more durable not to mention any space savings doesn’t necessarily
have to be used for making a phone thinner or smaller but could be used for
adding more components. When you budget the space inside a phone now you deal
in fractions of millimeters. Every millimeter saved here and there adds up
quickly to more room for say a slightly larger battery or larger foot print
processor, maybe a different antenna design.
Next, using a port like a lightning or usb-c allows the port to be
fortified more so you could in fact waterproof the phone easier. That’s one
effort underway now with the iPhone.
Why else would you switch to an all digital port. Sound quality is
definitely one reason and why you wouldn’t want that improved is beyond me but
to each their own. One thing that could be done is an all digital signal could
be dropped in to the headset and fun things could be done with sound
cancelation which would be made easier because there would be no need to
redigitize the data. Each time you convert from analog to digital and back you
lose data and part of the sound do to quantization error induced by clock drift
among other things. So if my headset is sampling a signal that’s already being
digitally reconstructed there’s going to be drift, if that data is handed
through natively digital you can lock your headset to the phone’s timer and
everybody is happy and synchronized not to mention like I said all the creative
math you can now do to improve the sound.
You can carry other data now to the headset so I could for example pick
up your pulse, maybe measure movement, blood oxygen and so forth as just a
censor package in the headset itself. Jawbone is doing some work with headsets
and censors as an example.
Maybe instead of a headset for headphones i want to provide you a full
headset with goggles and wrap around screens complete with head tracker. How
cool to plug your Occulist rift right in to your phone for example. Games like
pokémon go which are augmented reality games would benefit from such technology
not to mention the industrial applications.
The lightning port is a powerful port now. I use it today to convert
5.8 ghz signals from a drone in to a form that my phone can use to record the
video or fly the drone by sending flight commands to a controller that’s paired
via lightning.
There’s a ton of things that could be done with headsets though and not only
that but even more that could be done with the space savings.
You must be the last person on earth though who likes carrying a brick.
Everyone I deal with wants slimmer / more stylized phones. Another thing they
want is the camera bump to go away so the phones would be just smooth surfaces
and again easier to seal up and more space savings. So there’s a lot more to
the argument.
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Marshall Scott <mfsc...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to know what is gained by using the Lightening port for audio
> input/output. If it is improved audio quality; I'm not sure it is worth it.
> If it is just to make the iPhone thinner, I think it is too thin already.
>
> I also don't want to use an adapter because it is yet another thing to carry
> around, lose or have it break..
>
> And not being deaf, I was unaware of the issues Johnathon raised. I think it
> would be a bad idea to block out deaf-blind users regardless of Apple's
> reasons.
>
> Marshall
>
>
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se
>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> Hmm, isn’t there a way of charging the phone with some magnetic charger?
>> Like you charge the Apple Watch.
>> If thats the problem.
>> I can’t see any other problems so please let me know whats so bad about no
>> headphone jack so i can understand.
>> /A
>>> On 1 Sep 2016, at 10:28, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org
>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge
>>> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the
>>> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and
>>> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand.
>>> I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the
>>> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect
>>> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will
>>> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of
>>> people to sit it out.
>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because
>>> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about
>>> the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it
>>> may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people
>>> might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of
>>> others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that
>>> since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we
>>> would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't
>>> affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and
>>> I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems
>>> like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being
>>> thrown under the bus, well too damn bad.
>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid
>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all
>>> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone
>>> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve,
>>> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult
>>> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge
>>> something.
>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then
>>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish,
>>> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which
>>> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour,
>>> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility
>>> market.
>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And
>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in
>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully
>>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its
>>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its
>>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the
>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones
>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind having
>>> an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone with.
>>> Absolutely absurd.
>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking
>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has
>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable
>>> for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going
>>> to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is
>>> certainly going to be a backlash.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu
>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Mary,
>>>>
>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an
>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have
>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that
>>>> companies pay attention.
>>>>
>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous
>>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so
>>>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so.
>>>>
>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would
>>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world
>>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it.
>>>>
>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to
>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of
>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it
>>>> follows."
>>>>
>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for
>>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device
>>>> just because it is the latest.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
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>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the
>>>> iPhone seven
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the
>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage
>>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if
>>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with
>>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use
>>>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect
>>>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other
>>>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just
>>>> Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a
>>>> headphone jack on the phone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu
>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the
>>>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.
>>>>>
>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the
>>>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to
>>>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market,
>>>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept
>>>>> those features.
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS
>>>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users
>>>>> upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and
>>>>> vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use
>>>>> iTunes in order to manage photos.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature
>>>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something
>>>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile).
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM
>>>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List
>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the
>>>>> iPhone seven
>>>>>
>>>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first
>>>>> appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so
>>>>> potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with
>>>>> the iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least.
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