Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yep Scott, glad you mentioned Win10 privacy, I forgot about that, and yes 
that’s why I’m not using it.  It’s not to say that it’s a bad OS, though, 
because it isn’t, but there’s still Win8.1 and Classic Shell or, if you want to 
go retro, Win7.  Both run on that Mac Mini 2014 and Win8.1 and CS is what I’d 
go with.  You can apply the GPO to keep it from babbling away to M$ or forcing 
you into Win10.

I don’t like the direction MS are taking with their charge and slurp and 
subscriptions approach.  I believe that’s just wrong.  The direction Apple are 
taking with macOS isn’t much to my liking either, but at least it’s rational, 
if not entirely tenable because of ultimate cannibalisation from large-screen 
iOS devices and iOS itself.  However despite Windows’ general lack of, well 
anything at all really, it still represents a decent desktop OS choice now 
that’s a known quantity for people who need more flexibility or lower prices, 
and does at least have the virtue of having a very long lifecycle for the 
releases on existing hardware.  All the exciting developments in other 
operating systems for accessibility are first-party, but apart from ChromeOS I 
can’t see any development on desktop at all.  I keep meaning to try Orca again 
in the hope that it sucks less now, but I’m still of the opinion that Linux is 
too far away from many people and especially those without console skills and 
probably braille as well.  macOS has sadly fallen into the state of being a 
superb illustration of what is theoretically possible with mainstream 
accessibility, but also what can go horribly wrong when the company developing 
it loses interest in the platform.  Not to say it’s a bad option, because it 
does still have very many virtues and I still cherish it, but I also wouldn’t 
be surprised if I went on a really bad acid trip one evening and woke up to 
discover that all my desktops were running Windows either. :)

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Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yeah, good speakers aren’t a thing any more because “Good enough”.  There must 
be a solution to this problem.  Nobody wants to build up an expensive component 
system because playing your media from analog or digital sources requires 
physical effort and requires actually getting up off the sofa.  And you have to 
actually pay attention to the output and not, say, fiddle around with your 
smartphone.

And there is a solution: big speakers you connect to your network.  Only 
everyone in this game has their own stupid proprietary solution (AirPlay, 
Sonos, ChromeCast Audio) the result of which is that we still haven’t actually 
solved the problem of how you get your computing devices to command your 
speakers to make noises using data stored on your NAS or from the cloud over 
your fast pipe.  That’s where we’ve got to go.  Get all your CDs, DVDs, tapes, 
LPs ripped into the best lossless formats that make sense, or get the HD 
equivalents, and we can do this, someday.  Just as soon as the studios pull 
their fingers out of their bottoms and acknowledge that there’s a market for 
high-quality masters.

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RE: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Simon Fogarty]

Nope,
 Don't care, I'll go with what happens,

Have a great set of high quality bose Bluetooth headphones  that will work with 
what ever apple do.

But this is an issue that all developers of headphones and associated music 
products will have to sit down and work out a connector  to replace the current 
headphone jack.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 10:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
Have Some Dignity

So wait, let me see if I get your point.

You want the powers to give in, include a head phone jack, you like the article 
and you’re happy you have Bose bt headphones?  Did you read the article?  ☺  
The poster wasn’t exactly supporting the Bluetooth position there.  I’m not 
trying to be snarky I just don’t understand where you’re going.  In the same 
response you support the author but you’re using the solution he’s bashing.  
What gives or do I just need sleep and am missing the obvious?

Thank you



On 6/26/16, 4:43 AM, "Simon Fogarty"  wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thanks for this, I't has a good ring to it. 
He's got a lot of points that make good sense, but will the powers listen to us?

Glad my bose bt headphones work great.

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Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 1:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have 
Some Dignity

Hello Everyone,

Here is an interesting article that I thought you'd like to read, the URL to 
which is located at the end of the text.

NOTE:  I edited out the 1 profane word that appears in the original text so as 
to bring this piece in compliance with our list policies.

Enjoy,

Mark

Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid, Have some 
dignity By Nilay Patel  on June 21, 2016

Another day, another rumor that Apple is going to ditch the headphone jack on 
the next iPhone in favor of sending out audio over Lightning. Or another phone 
beats Apple to the punch by ditching the headphone jack in favor of passing out 
audio over USB-C. What exciting times for phones! We're so out of ideas that 
actively making them shittier and more user-hostile is the only innovation left.

ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse

Look, I know you're going to tell me that the traditional TRS headphone jack is 
a billion years old and prone to failure and that life is about progress and 
whatever else you need to repeat deliriously into your bed of old HTC extUSB 
dongles and insane magnetic Palm adapters to sleep at night. But just face 
facts: ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse, in extremely 
obvious ways. Let's count them!

(Also, here is a list of reasons you might actually prefer Lightning 
headphones, by my friend Vlad Savov, but let's be clear that my list is the 
superior one.)

1. Digital audio means DRM audio

Oh look, I won this argument in one shot. For years the entertainment industry 
has decried what they call the "analog loophole" of headphone jacks, and now 
we're making their dreams come true by closing it.

Winter is coming

Restricting audio output to a purely digital connection means that music 
publishers and streaming companies can start to insist on digital copyright 
enforcement mechanisms. We moved our video systems to HDMI and got HDCP, 
remember? Copyright enforcement technology never stops piracy and always hurts 
the people who most rely on legal fair use, but you can bet the music industry 
is going to start cracking down on "unauthorized" playback and recording 
devices anyway. We deal with DRM when it comes to video because we generally 
don't rewatch and take TV shows and movies with us, but you will rue the day 
Apple decided to make the iPhone another 1mm thinner the instant you get a 
"playback device not supported" message. Winter is coming.

2. Wireless headphones and speakers are fine, not great

I am surrounded by wireless speaker systems. (I work at The Verge, after
all.) And while they mostly work fine, sometimes they crackle out and fail.
It sucks to share a wireless speaker among multiple devices. Bluetooth 
headphones require me to charge yet another battery. You haven't known pain 
until you've chosen to use Bluetooth audio in a car instead of an aux jack.

Bluetooth: next year it'll work great.

3. Dongles are stupid, especially when they require other dongles

Shut up, you say. All of your complaints will be handled by this charming
$29 dongle that converts digital audio to a standard headphone jack!

Have some dignity

To which I will respond: here is a photo of Dieter Bohn and his beloved 
single-port MacBook, living his fullest #donglelife during our WWDC
liveblog:

Photo of macbook with a 

RE: Converting songs to mp3 with latest iTunes and ElCap.issue with apple music store

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I can’t find anything of RHCP in apple music,

Wonder if it’s a thing apple do in case of music content as RHCP do have a few 
tracks that  have harsh language.

Oh well I’ll have to get it the old way,



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 11:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Converting songs to mp3 with latest iTunes and ElCap.issue with 
apple music store

Hi. May be that aren’t signed up to Apple Music because not all artists use all 
streaming services as a platform to reach their listeners! There are albums 
that I can’t find on Apple Music and they are available on Googleplay Music.
On 24 Jun 2016, at 22:39, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I’m having a bit of trouble with apple music currently,
I can’t find the red hot chillie peppers on the apple music store.

Can anyone in the northern hemisphere find them, I’m wondering if it’s a 
library block.

From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2016 8:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Converting songs to mp3 with latest iTunes and ElCap.

Hmm. I don't seem to be able to reproduce this. I went to playlist and then to 
Purchased to make sure I had tracks from iTunes and not ripped from my own CDs. 
I stopped interacting, did VO-right twice to get past the splitter to the 
scroll area, interacted with that, did a VO-right to move from the header to 
the table, interacted with that and then just did plain up/down arrows to 
select a track. After that I did VO-m to go to the menus, right arrow twice to 
get to File, down about 12 times to convert, right to Create MP3 version and 
that was it.

CB
On 6/23/16 7:33 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
Hi,
I’m running the latest OS and the latest iTunes and I am no longer able to 
convert purchased songs to mp3.
Before, I could highlight a song and do a VO-shift m and convert to mp3. This 
doesn’t work and if I choose convert from the file menu it is dimmed.
Any help is appreciated.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

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RE: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Simon Fogarty]

what about the usb c connector, I thought everyone was meant to be heading that 
direction for a genric connector type.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 2:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
Have Some Dignity

I’m not against progress, but I’m still for a standard connector if we’re going 
to replace the 3.5 mm jack.  Same goal, different direction.  Apple proprietary 
for something so fundamental as headphones is user-hostile and stupid, but not 
if we can move as one to an unfragmented, new market of all-digital connectors. 
 And there are indeed both advantages and disadvantages of going digital, 
although in my opinion, mostly advantages.

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Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Kimberly]

Simon,

Are the Bose Bluetooth headphones worth the price? I adore my Bose wired 
headphones, but because Bluetooth sound quality is generally so lacking, I have 
been hesitant to shell out the $$ for the Bose Bluetooth option. So in your 
opinion, are they really all that?

Kimber

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Nope,
> Don't care, I'll go with what happens,
> 
> Have a great set of high quality bose Bluetooth headphones  that will work 
> with what ever apple do.
> 
> But this is an issue that all developers of headphones and associated music 
> products will have to sit down and work out a connector  to replace the 
> current headphone jack.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 10:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
> Have Some Dignity
> 
> So wait, let me see if I get your point.
> 
> You want the powers to give in, include a head phone jack, you like the 
> article and you’re happy you have Bose bt headphones?  Did you read the 
> article?  ☺  The poster wasn’t exactly supporting the Bluetooth position 
> there.  I’m not trying to be snarky I just don’t understand where you’re 
> going.  In the same response you support the author but you’re using the 
> solution he’s bashing.  What gives or do I just need sleep and am missing the 
> obvious?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/26/16, 4:43 AM, "Simon Fogarty"  behalf of si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for this, I't has a good ring to it. 
> He's got a lot of points that make good sense, but will the powers listen to 
> us?
> 
> Glad my bose bt headphones work great.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 1:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
> Have Some Dignity
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Here is an interesting article that I thought you'd like to read, the URL to 
> which is located at the end of the text.
> 
> NOTE:  I edited out the 1 profane word that appears in the original text so 
> as to bring this piece in compliance with our list policies.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid, Have some 
> dignity By Nilay Patel  on June 21, 2016
> 
> Another day, another rumor that Apple is going to ditch the headphone jack on 
> the next iPhone in favor of sending out audio over Lightning. Or another 
> phone beats Apple to the punch by ditching the headphone jack in favor of 
> passing out audio over USB-C. What exciting times for phones! We're so out of 
> ideas that actively making them shittier and more user-hostile is the only 
> innovation left.
> 
> ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse
> 
> Look, I know you're going to tell me that the traditional TRS headphone jack 
> is a billion years old and prone to failure and that life is about progress 
> and whatever else you need to repeat deliriously into your bed of old HTC 
> extUSB dongles and insane magnetic Palm adapters to sleep at night. But just 
> face facts: ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse, in 
> extremely obvious ways. Let's count them!
> 
> (Also, here is a list of reasons you might actually prefer Lightning 
> headphones, by my friend Vlad Savov, but let's be clear that my list is the 
> superior one.)
> 
> 1. Digital audio means DRM audio
> 
> Oh look, I won this argument in one shot. For years the entertainment 
> industry has decried what they call the "analog loophole" of headphone jacks, 
> and now we're making their dreams come true by closing it.
> 
> Winter is coming
> 
> Restricting audio output to a purely digital connection means that music 
> publishers and streaming companies can start to insist on digital copyright 
> enforcement mechanisms. We moved our video systems to HDMI and got HDCP, 
> remember? Copyright enforcement technology never stops piracy and always 
> hurts the people who most rely on legal fair use, but you can bet the music 
> industry is going to start cracking down on "unauthorized" playback and 
> recording devices anyway. We deal with DRM when it comes to video because we 
> generally don't rewatch and take TV shows and movies with us, but you will 
> rue the day Apple decided to make the iPhone another 1mm thinner the instant 
> you get a "playback device not supported" message. Winter is coming.
> 
> 2. Wireless headphones and speakers are fine, not great
> 
> I am surrounded by wireless speaker systems. (I work at The Verge, after
> all.) And while they mostly work fine, sometimes they crackle out and fail.
> It sucks to share a wireless speaker among multiple d

Re: Converting songs to mp3 with latest iTunes and ElCap.issue with apple music store

[Kimberly]

Stadium Arcadium is available as is The Getaway. Though the offerings do seem 
rather limited. Ah well, they are still available for purchase from iTunes.


Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:26 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I can’t find anything of RHCP in apple music,
>  
> Wonder if it’s a thing apple do in case of music content as RHCP do have a 
> few tracks that  have harsh language.
>  
> Oh well I’ll have to get it the old way,
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 11:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Converting songs to mp3 with latest iTunes and ElCap.issue with 
> apple music store
>  
> Hi. May be that aren’t signed up to Apple Music because not all artists use 
> all streaming services as a platform to reach their listeners! There are 
> albums that I can’t find on Apple Music and they are available on Googleplay 
> Music. 
> On 24 Jun 2016, at 22:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> I’m having a bit of trouble with apple music currently,
> I can’t find the red hot chillie peppers on the apple music store.
>  
> Can anyone in the northern hemisphere find them, I’m wondering if it’s a 
> library block.
>  
> From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2016 8:42 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Converting songs to mp3 with latest iTunes and ElCap.
>  
> Hmm. I don't seem to be able to reproduce this. I went to playlist and then 
> to Purchased to make sure I had tracks from iTunes and not ripped from my own 
> CDs. I stopped interacting, did VO-right twice to get past the splitter to 
> the scroll area, interacted with that, did a VO-right to move from the header 
> to the table, interacted with that and then just did plain up/down arrows to 
> select a track. After that I did VO-m to go to the menus, right arrow twice 
> to get to File, down about 12 times to convert, right to Create MP3 version 
> and that was it.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/23/16 7:33 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> Hi, 
> I’m running the latest OS and the latest iTunes and I am no longer able to 
> convert purchased songs to mp3.
> Before, I could highlight a song and do a VO-shift m and convert to mp3. This 
> doesn’t work and if I choose convert from the file menu it is dimmed.
> Any help is appreciated.
>  
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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RE: Netflix

[Simon Fogarty]

Works like a charm on my iPhone and apple tv, not sure about the computer 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brandon A. Olivares
Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 10:20 AM
To: “Mac Visionaries“ 
Subject: Netflix

Hey everyone,

I am thinking of canceling cable, because we just don’t use it much.

We just got Hulu, and that is working awesome.

What I want to know is, does Netflix work well, either on the computer or on 
the iPhone?

Thanks,
Brandon

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RE: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Simon Fogarty]

Or the older 6.5 mm headphone jack, or even 64kb  for running a application in.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 10:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
Have Some Dignity

Exactly!!  things change over time.

does anybody remember 8 track tapes, or even just plain old cassettes??  How 
about those huge 5 and a half inch floppy disks?  How about when all the memory 
you could get was something like 64 megs, and there really wasn’t any portable 
storage??

yep, progress is good!

Cait

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 6:24 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Some members here may not go back far enough to the days of the many 
> choices we had for headphones. Wired,  wired, wired, wired, and wired. 
> (smiles)
> 
>   I really do not get this concern over a possible change in hardware that no 
> one has laid eyes on. But if it is true, its as good as carved in stone (the 
> 7 is likely off the drawing board by now). And should I need (not want) a new 
> phone, why, I have faith in Apple in its ability to provide what may be 
> needed to satisfy connectivity concerns.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/26/2016 3:09 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> All this makes me very glad I'm an android user.  Whether the demize 
>> of the 3.5 mm jack turns out to be a good thing long term or not, I 
>> myself am not ready to take that step.  I can't even really go for 
>> bluetooth headphones which I'd really like to do because I need wired 
>> headphones for so many things besides my phone.  The bank machine for 
>> example.  I have to have bt headphones that give me the option of 
>> plugging in when I want to and those headsets are so bulky and so 
>> expensive that they really aren't useful as wireless headphones.
>> 
>> So, I just bought a $100 android phone that does everything I would 
>> want to do with an Iphhone, doesn't have nearly as good a screen, but 
>> has much better battery life and sound system, figures to last me for 
>> two years or more, and let's me keep the audio jack.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB 
>> Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!
>> http://www.theoutofworkbum.work
>> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for 
>> persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 25, 2016, at 6:39 PM, M. Taylor >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Here is an interesting article that I thought you'd like to read, 
>>> the URL to which is located at the end of the text.
>>> 
>>> NOTE:  I edited out the 1 profane word that appears in the original 
>>> text so as to bring this piece in compliance with our list policies.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid, 
>>> Have some dignity By Nilay Patel  on June 21, 2016
>>> 
>>> Another day, another rumor that Apple is going to ditch the 
>>> headphone jack on the next iPhone in favor of sending out audio over 
>>> Lightning. Or another phone beats Apple to the punch by ditching the 
>>> headphone jack in favor of passing out audio over USB-C. What 
>>> exciting times for phones! We're so out of ideas that actively 
>>> making them shittier and more user-hostile is the only innovation 
>>> left.
>>> 
>>> ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse
>>> 
>>> Look, I know you're going to tell me that the traditional TRS 
>>> headphone jack is a billion years old and prone to failure and that 
>>> life is about progress and whatever else you need to repeat 
>>> deliriously into your bed of old HTC extUSB dongles and insane 
>>> magnetic Palm adapters to sleep at night.
>>> But just
>>> face facts: ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse, 
>>> in extremely obvious ways. Let's count them!
>>> 
>>> (Also, here is a list of reasons you might actually prefer Lightning 
>>> headphones, by my friend Vlad Savov, but let's be clear that my list 
>>> is the superior one.)
>>> 
>>> 1. Digital audio means DRM audio
>>> 
>>> Oh look, I won this argument in one shot. For years the 
>>> entertainment industry has decried what they call the "analog 
>>> loophole" of headphone jacks, and now we're making their dreams come true 
>>> by closing it.
>>> 
>>> Winter is coming
>>> 
>>> Restricting audio output to a purely digital connection means that 
>>> music publishers and streaming companies can start to insist on 
>>> digital copyright enforcement mechanisms. We moved our video systems 
>>> to HDMI and got HDCP, remember? Copyright enforcement technology 
>>> never stops piracy and always hurts the people who most rely on 
>>> legal fair use, but you can bet 

RE: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Simon Fogarty]

I use both mac and windows, infact I run windows 10 as a bootcamp partition on 
my mac book air,

I’m still a more windows power user than mac but that is only because I’m using 
windows products at work and home in the way of servers,

I’m really only a new user of the mac but it’s growing on me in a big way,

One of the things I find best about the mac is the hardware is stable and 
devices are specific to the device from apple.
This also to me makes bootcamp that much more stable when running windows as 
you get the specific apple device drivers from the manufacturer and therefore 
things run a lot more reliably and stable.

Unlike a mix and match windows machine.

Itunes on the mac is just different to windows but I still use it on both.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brandon A. Olivares
Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 1:31 PM
To: “Mac Visionaries“ 
Subject: Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

Honestly, I think the Mac is far better than Windows.

First, it’s really not that complicated once you get used to it. Have you tried 
the item chooser? That might help you navigate more easily. Just press 
control-option-I. Navigate to the item you want, or type in the first few 
letters of the name of that item, and press enter on it, and you’ll be directed 
there.

I taught my wife how to use the Mac from day 1, and she likes it a lot better 
than Windows. She refuses to ever use Windows again at this point, because the 
Mac has been so much easier.

So here are the ways I think it’s better:

1. It’s more stable. I don’t know how JAWS is now, but I remember the days of 
just about anything making it crash. With the Mac, I know I’ll always have 
accessibility. I never had to get sighted assistance because the screen reader 
crashes and I can’t get it to come back on.

2. Apple cares about accessibility. I think it’s notable that JAWS, or any 
other major screen reader, doesn’t come from Microsoft itself. Microsoft is not 
beholden whatsoever to make Windows accessible. The screen reader developers 
have to keep up with Windows development, and it’s not guaranteed that 
everything will be accessible.

Every native application on the Mac is accessible out of the box, and most 3rd 
party applications are accessible as well, if they follow the guidelines Apple 
has in place.

3. It’s more durable. I use my computer pretty much every waking moment, and it 
has lasted a lot longer than any Windows computer I have had, including the 
so-called top of the line brands.

4. It’s easy. I know it might seem complicated at first, but it’s really not, 
as I said. I can do just about anything on my MacBook Air.

5. Works with iPhone natively. I love the hand-off feature that Mac/iPhone has 
now. You have no idea how often I use this feature. Have an app open on the 
Mac, and open that same app on the iPhone.

Anyway, those are just a few of the reasons. I hope it helps, though. Let me 
know if you have questions.

Brandon
On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:

Please forgive the long message to follow.  Just delete it if you don't want to 
read it.

I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend.  I have the 
two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El Capitan And Voice 
Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh With Voice Over, by Tim 
Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what I am doing for a while, at the 
moment, that is an understatement.  I have it set up, thanks to Mr. Sniffen's 
book, Ms. Ingber seems to assume one will have sighted help to do that.  I have 
been with windows since 2000, and Jaws 3.5.  I still have Jaws, having bought, 
last December,  the SMA through version 19.  I have to figure out, by July 5, 
whether I want to take the Mac back to the Apple store to get my money back.  
So far, it seems like a bunch of incredible tedium to get things done, as 
compared to Windows.  The track pad helps, it makes it a little more like my 
iPhone 6, that I love.  Getting things done on the iPhone never seemed to have 
nearly the tedium as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 was new to me.   For 
example, having to interact with things, rather than just hitting enter when I 
want to do something, or press two or three keys at the same time to get 
VoiceOver to do something, I have no doubt that I can learn it, but   My 
nagging question during my 14 days is going to be:  why?  What is so much 
better about this than Windows?  Is the Mac really better, or just different?  
Is, for example, iTunes really easier to use?  What little I have investigated, 
I am not yet convinced that it is. Already having Jaws, I don't have the issue 
of having to buy a windows screen reader, and NVDA is making it unnecessary 
even for a new Windows user to do so.   I paid over 50 percent more for this 
Mac Mini than I could have bought a Windows 10 computer.  I wish I had 30 days, 

RE: remotely controlling a mac

[Simon Fogarty]

Michael,

If I get this correctly, the machine you wish to control is in the same room 
you are in  in that case yes you can use the apple remote desktop tool, only 
thing is that you need the speech to come out on your remote machine which 
isn’t possible.

You can however get the speech from the machine your accesing and then use it 
from a distance.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 4:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: remotely controlling a mac

is this possible?
I would like to control the mac from across the room, especially to change 
system preferences and parental control.
I can see how to view the screen but can’t figure out how as a voiceover user i 
can in fact control the mac?
thanks for any ideas.

***
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RE: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kimber,

 To me they are great, execlant sound quality both listening to books and music.

 Mine cost me around 500 nz dollars but well worth it so far.

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 8:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
Have Some Dignity

Simon,

Are the Bose Bluetooth headphones worth the price? I adore my Bose wired 
headphones, but because Bluetooth sound quality is generally so lacking, I have 
been hesitant to shell out the $$ for the Bose Bluetooth option. So in your 
opinion, are they really all that?

Kimber

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Nope,
> Don't care, I'll go with what happens,
> 
> Have a great set of high quality bose Bluetooth headphones  that will work 
> with what ever apple do.
> 
> But this is an issue that all developers of headphones and associated music 
> products will have to sit down and work out a connector  to replace the 
> current headphone jack.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 10:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
> Have Some Dignity
> 
> So wait, let me see if I get your point.
> 
> You want the powers to give in, include a head phone jack, you like the 
> article and you’re happy you have Bose bt headphones?  Did you read the 
> article?  ☺  The poster wasn’t exactly supporting the Bluetooth position 
> there.  I’m not trying to be snarky I just don’t understand where you’re 
> going.  In the same response you support the author but you’re using the 
> solution he’s bashing.  What gives or do I just need sleep and am missing the 
> obvious?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/26/16, 4:43 AM, "Simon Fogarty"  behalf of si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for this, I't has a good ring to it. 
> He's got a lot of points that make good sense, but will the powers listen to 
> us?
> 
> Glad my bose bt headphones work great.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 1:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
> Have Some Dignity
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Here is an interesting article that I thought you'd like to read, the URL to 
> which is located at the end of the text.
> 
> NOTE:  I edited out the 1 profane word that appears in the original text so 
> as to bring this piece in compliance with our list policies.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid, Have some 
> dignity By Nilay Patel  on June 21, 2016
> 
> Another day, another rumor that Apple is going to ditch the headphone jack on 
> the next iPhone in favor of sending out audio over Lightning. Or another 
> phone beats Apple to the punch by ditching the headphone jack in favor of 
> passing out audio over USB-C. What exciting times for phones! We're so out of 
> ideas that actively making them shittier and more user-hostile is the only 
> innovation left.
> 
> ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse
> 
> Look, I know you're going to tell me that the traditional TRS headphone jack 
> is a billion years old and prone to failure and that life is about progress 
> and whatever else you need to repeat deliriously into your bed of old HTC 
> extUSB dongles and insane magnetic Palm adapters to sleep at night. But just 
> face facts: ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse, in 
> extremely obvious ways. Let's count them!
> 
> (Also, here is a list of reasons you might actually prefer Lightning 
> headphones, by my friend Vlad Savov, but let's be clear that my list is the 
> superior one.)
> 
> 1. Digital audio means DRM audio
> 
> Oh look, I won this argument in one shot. For years the entertainment 
> industry has decried what they call the "analog loophole" of headphone jacks, 
> and now we're making their dreams come true by closing it.
> 
> Winter is coming
> 
> Restricting audio output to a purely digital connection means that music 
> publishers and streaming companies can start to insist on digital copyright 
> enforcement mechanisms. We moved our video systems to HDMI and got HDCP, 
> remember? Copyright enforcement technology never stops piracy and always 
> hurts the people who most rely on legal fair use, but you can bet the music 
> industry is going to start cracking down on "unauthorized" playback and 
> recording devices anyway. We deal with DRM when it comes to video because we 
> generally don't rewatch and take TV shows

Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Nah, I doubt Apple will switch to USB-C for iOS devices.  It’s actually thicker 
and wider than Lightning (albeit faster, too).  And then of course there’s 
always the $$$ Apple would miss out on because of the “Made for iPhone” 
certification on Lightning peripherals (which is guaranteed using an 
Apple-proprietary authentication chip).

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Response to a tweet

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I am not a very experienced user of Twitter.  How would I know that somebody 
has responded to my earlier tweet?  The thing is tweets are very short and the 
way people respond sometimes makes them very impersonal as they do not address 
you by name.  How can I tell that a particular tweet is addressed to me in a 
list of so many tweets?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Response to a tweet

[Jonathan Cohn]

Most twitter applications like Night Owl have a notification area. Also, I 
believe by default twitter sends you e-mails and/or text messages for each 
reply.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 27 Jun 2016, at 07:36, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am not a very experienced user of Twitter.  How would I know that somebody 
> has responded to my earlier tweet?  The thing is tweets are very short and 
> the way people respond sometimes makes them very impersonal as they do not 
> address you by name.  How can I tell that a particular tweet is addressed to 
> me in a list of so many tweets?
> 
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Andrew
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Getting rid of cable (was Netflix)

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Scott,

I felt exactly like you do.  My husband had been wanting to cut the chord for a 
long time, and I was the one dragging my feet.  But now that we've done it, I 
don't miss it much at all.  There are some shows I miss like Diners and Dives 
and Restaurant Impossible, but that's about it.  And we've discovered new shows 
that we like that we probably would never have discovered if we'd just been 
able to put the Food Network on and let it run all night. :)

It is different, though.  If you want to watch TV, you can't just pick up the 
remote and surf around.  Now, we decide what we want to watch and then access 
it.  You can surf on Netflix, and probably other sources like Hulu as well, but 
you surf through lists of shows, not channels.  It's funny, my husband will 
occasionally still ask, "What's on TV tonight?" and I have to remind him, it's 
whatever we decide to put on. :)  Neither my husband nor I ever got our news 
from television, so that wasn't an issue for us.

Our cost savings is probably around $80 per month, and we had a basic cable 
package.  Our internet is still cable, and they offer the best service in our 
area, so it's likely to stay that way for a while.  I know other people who 
save less, because they took the same money they were spending on cable, and 
just put it into subscriptions, Hulu, etc.  Whichever way you go, I have to say 
that not only is it nice to be saving that money, it's also just nice not to be 
paying for all that really bad TV--in my opinion, most of what your cable gets 
you is a load of .

So, I'm glad we did it.  My suggestion would be to keep track of what shows you 
get from cable that you actually value.  Then figure out whether those same 
shows are available through another mechanism--don't rule out purchasing them 
if you really like them.  I'm a huge Big Bang Theory fan for example.  That 
isn't available on Netflix, so I just purchased my favorite seasons on iTunes.  
My guess is that you won't have too much that you get from your cable company 
that you couldn't get more cheaply elsewhere.

Good luck, and let us know if you do decide to cut the chord.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 10:16 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Donna, I’ve been thinking of doing the same thing but can’t quite get my head 
> around not having channels to turn to.  I’m still a product of the old 
> television way of doing things.  How about news or other live broadcasting?  
> Do you miss it?  Do you still get it in other ways?
>   How about the cost savings, are they as significant as people claim?  
> Do you miss the older style of TV access or are things going well.  Maybe if 
> nobody objects you could talk a little more about your cord cutting 
> experience?  Are you still receiving Internet over the cable or are you all 
> wireless or some other access method?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/26/16, 8:11 PM, "Donna Goodin"  behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brandon,
> 
> My husband and I ditched our cable last fall.  We now watch either Netflix, 
> or content that we own.  Netflix works great, both with our Apple TV and on 
> my iPhone.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>> I am thinking of canceling cable, because we just don’t use it much.
>> 
>> We just got Hulu, and that is working awesome.
>> 
>> What I want to know is, does Netflix work well, either on the computer or on 
>> the iPhone?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Re: Netflix

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I always use it on my Apple TV 4.  I wish they had a category of AD content 
because when I use Safari to search for such content! I just get VO speaking 
numbers. 
> On 27 Jun 2016, at 10:40, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Works like a charm on my iPhone and apple tv, not sure about the computer 
> 
> 
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> Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 10:20 AM
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> Subject: Netflix
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I am thinking of canceling cable, because we just don’t use it much.
> 
> We just got Hulu, and that is working awesome.
> 
> What I want to know is, does Netflix work well, either on the computer or on 
> the iPhone?
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> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Scott,
The next release of Windows 10 will have bash too. I don't know if it will have 
all the nix tools I am used to after 20 years of Sun work, but it is a start.

In terms of the original complaints, by default new Mac user accounts use the 
caps lock key as a alternative to the control-option pair thus reducing the 
keystrokes needed, also you can turn off the need to interact in the VoiceOver 
control panel, though I personally would never do that.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On 26 Jun 2016, at 22:42, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Arnold, everything is better about the Mac from speed to security to 
> performance to ease of use, everything is 100% better.  Starting at the top.
>  
> First, voice over is much better.  Unlike windows you have access to the 
> entire life cycle from initial setup to reinstall to upgrade to deep 
> maintenance you have full accessibility.  As you know if you lose JFW which 
> is a bolt on after thought with windows running you’re screwed.  No such 
> limitation with voice over.
> Second, what you’re experiencing aren’t inefficiencies it’s 
> just your own unfamiliarity with the Mac. It only took me a few days to get 
> proficient with the mac but I spent 24/7 emersing myself in it and gave up 
> windows entirely during the transition.  At the end the Mac was far  more 
> efficient.  Unlike windows, the Mac does not shield you from the format and 
> display of the screen.  The way things appear on the monitor they are 
> presented to you.  Interacting is good because you know what application or 
> even part of the application you’re dealing with instead of having JFW 
> totally repackage the screen in to a non visual representation that in the 
> end only serves to isolate the blind user further from his or her sited 
> counterparts not includes them.
> Next, I don’t have to run goofie antivirus software or other 
> such bolt on after thoughts of security.  Because it’s a real  operating 
> system under the hood and not some Microsoft consumer rip off I have much 
> greater user control, group contro. And far greater stability.  Memory 
> protection is better and there’s an overall snappiness to application 
> performance that windows never dreamed of let alone windows with a bolt on 
> after thought of a screen reader.  You run your local user at user level 
> instead of root or system operator level so your blast radius if something 
> goes wrong is far more narrow.  You specifically have to elevate your access 
> unlike windows where one random click and bam that’s if code needs any user 
> interaction at all to raise it’s security level.  Windows is and always has 
> been very pitiful on the security side.
> Next, windows 10 is a privacy nightmare.  As soon as you sign 
> in copies of what you’re doing is being sent to Microsoft, WiFi defaults are 
> wide open with your network settings easily shared out of your control, the 
> fact that insallation of windows 10 is being so underhandedly pushed out to 
> windows 8 or earlier  versions, and the long history of Microsoft turning 
> away from security and ripping off the consumer is well known and doesn’t 
> need rehashing here.  I’ll just say that the defense department field manual 
> for IT security states that the only way to appropriately secure a windows 
> enabled device is to remove it’s network access, place it in a secure 
> facility and remove access to power.  I’ll let you decide whether it meets 
> your security needs.:)
>  
> You don’t need to worry about returning your mac you just need to get over 
> the learning curve which you would have no matter which direction you went.
>  
> Finally, try to do anything useful from a windows shell.  You can’t. However 
> with terminal I can drop right to a bash shell and have the full unix toolkit 
> available.
>  
> Stop using windows and cut straight to the Mac. You’ll have some initial pain 
> but you’ll get there faster.  It’s like learning a spoken or written 
> language.  It’s so much easier in the long term to go to an area where that 
> language is spoken and emerse in it rather than try to learn it in dribs and 
> drabs like you do in say conventional high school or secondary school I think 
> they call it over the pond.  IF you want to learn Spanish go to Spain and 
> sink your teeth in rather than try to learn it with a text book in the middle 
> of English speaking Massachusetts.:)
>  
> Most importantly, ask away here and else where, I myself and I bet everyone 
> else here will be more than happy to help.
>  
> Good luck
>  
>  
>  
>  
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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I love the spell check and the auto correction feature and this is 
available on Windows but couldn’t be detected with the screenreader that I was 
using which was System Access. I’ve done the hard yards in terms of learning 
the basics on my new Mac Mac and wouldn’t go back to Windows ever again. I’ve 
had this machine for 3 weeks now and I’ve learnt so much from tutorials and 
from people on this e-mail list. 
> On 27 Jun 2016, at 03:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My primary reason for still using the Mac at this point is the 
> frustration-free robustness of the OS and screen reader (if you’re on the 
> right release, anyway).  You really do get a lot in the package, especially 
> if you also have iOS, but system-wide spell-check is still one of my 
> favourite features.  I don’t think Apple is keeping up with making the 
> experience as good as it should be; I started with Leopard, a rough release, 
> but still have a much higher opinion of that than contemporary releases.  
> Snow Leopard was awesome and the best, really.  I keep thinking about moving 
> back to Windows, and have made all the necessary preparations, but somehow it 
> isn’t happening; clearly, OS X is a pleasant enough experience that I’m 
> willing to tolerate it, and I now have much Apple hardware.  I still think 
> that any day now, I will switch back to Windows. Perhaps when the next 
> release fails to fix the bugs I’ve reported to Apple, I might do it, but 
> there’s a lot of happiness wrapped up in the Mac experience for me.  The 
> primary argument for the Windows screen readers is that, while they might not 
> be going anywhere, they do at least work reasonably and consistently in the 
> environments they’re tested and customised for, and get bug fixes as needed 
> to fix obvious problems.  There is more choice on Windows, of course; the Mac 
> usually has just the one or two best choices for certain apps, which often 
> provide a much nicer equivalent to the Windows world, but often skimp on 
> functionality or nerd appeal.  Up to you, really.
> 
> The efficiency argument is mostly a red herring IMO, because one can become 
> familiar with the system and apps and many of the workarounds to get it done 
> faster.  However, I do think the models are sufficiently different that it’s 
> not the easiest thing in the world to adapt from one to the other.  Also, 
> it’s clear that overall efficiency belongs to Windows, because the native OS 
> keyboard support is superior.  The key differentiator here is that in 
> Windows, one moves the system highlight to find out what something is, with 
> no context; on the Mac, the screen reader provides the overlay necessary for 
> screen exploration as a native, first-party cursor that has convenience 
> features for tracking and moving the system cursor, but also providing you 
> with context as you navigate.  Both aspects have good and bad points, but you 
> find that on the Mac you can learn to use many system commands to go faster, 
> such as the Tab key.  iTunes is clearly a nicer experience on OS X.  On 
> Windows you can get it done, but here’s a perfect illustration of how the two 
> models differentiate, because iTunes is a complicated application that 
> Windows screen readers aren’t really equipped to cope with using just one 
> point of focus: you’ll want scripts and docs to explain and extract 
> information and to jump around in the app.  A windows user would probably 
> read the iTunes help files, and use screen review to get a rough overview of 
> the screen, but on VoiceOver all that is happening naturally as you use the 
> app.  Of course, iOS is a totally different kettle of fish without 
> interaction, and I do agree that the experience is that much smoother; I have 
> no doubt the Mac could get some of that, if Apple only put in the effort with 
> its trackpad support, but ultimately the Mac is a multi-windowed environment 
> so there is going to be some amount of added complexity.  Braille support on 
> the Mac is inferior to that of Windows.
> 
> Keep your Mac.  Even as a Windows box, it’s awesome.  It’s durable hardware 
> and you can’t really go wrong with it so long as you can choose to run both 
> OSs on it.  I intend to continue using Apple hardware, even if I switch 
> full-time to Windows, simply because it’s such well-rounded, accessible 
> hardware.  You get Target Disk Mode, a fairly predictable boot process, USB 
> booting, NO BIOS, and an accessible way to recover even in the worst possible 
> situations.  Windows systems just don’t give you that option; it’s all 
> point-and-click BIOS setup screens and recovery partitions that you can 
> accidentally trash.  Of course, it’s true that prices are higher, too, but 
> Apple’s choices are more than sufficient for me.  If I went back to WinTel 
> hardware, I’d go building the box myself, by necessity.
> 
> AirPlay works well on Windows, too.  Requires iTunes, but there are also 
> third-party solution

Re: Voiceover Crashing My Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

Actually before you do a clean install, it might make sense to create a new 
user 90% of the configuration information is stored in the user Library folders.

Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 26 Jun 2016, at 07:13, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So I’m running the public beta to be clear but I did run that version with no 
> problems.  I get an occasional voice over reset but not a reboot.  Before you 
> downgrade I would highly suggest installing a clean copy of the latest OS.  
> When you upgrade you frequently get issues that a clean install addresses.
>  
> Good luck
>  
>  
> From:  > on behalf of James Lee 
> mailto:jameslee...@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To:  >
> Date: Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 10:14 PM
> To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Voiceover Crashing My Mac
>  
> Thanks both for the reply.
> I never seen this before either.
> It started happening only a few weeks ago, and I can see the early core audio 
> crash reports go back to June 5. Probably that's when I updated to the latest 
> OSX.
> I guess it's time to go back down.
> 
> On 6/25/2016 9:47 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> I definitely have not seen this, and try as I may, I cannot reproduce that 
>> behavior over here.
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: James Lee 
>>> To: MacVisionaries 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:31 PM
>>> Subject: Voiceover Crashing My Mac
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I run OSX 10.115 on iMac 5k 27 inch late 2015.
>>> I'm having a problem Voiceover crashing my computer. I use just Alex voice. 
>>> Screen just goes black and reboots.
>>> If someone does the exactly same task without Voiceover, it doesn't happen.
>>> For example, adding input files in xcode project > build phases > Run 
>>> Script.
>>> Also it doesn't happens 100% all the time.
>>> Looking at /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports, there are bunch of coreaudiod 
>>> and a couple of kernel files.
>>> Inside ~/Library/logs/DiagnosticReports, there are bunch of xcode and 
>>> voiceover files.
>>> Based on the files, it might have to do with sound device, but I just use 
>>> system built-in output.
>>> I never had this problem before. Maybe it's the latest OSX update. It 
>>> reminds me Windows. I'm not impressed with Apple lately.
>>> Does anyone have a problem where Voiceover just stops talking, and the 
>>> computer reboots?
>>> Thanks,
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Re: Netflix

[Christine Grassman]

Go here to browse all AD content:

http://www.netflix.com/browse/audio-description 


> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I always use it on my Apple TV 4.  I wish they had a category of AD 
> content because when I use Safari to search for such content! I just get VO 
> speaking numbers. 
>> On 27 Jun 2016, at 10:40, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Works like a charm on my iPhone and apple tv, not sure about the computer 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon A. Olivares
>> Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 10:20 AM
>> To: “Mac Visionaries“ 
>> Subject: Netflix
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>> I am thinking of canceling cable, because we just don’t use it much.
>> 
>> We just got Hulu, and that is working awesome.
>> 
>> What I want to know is, does Netflix work well, either on the computer or on 
>> the iPhone?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Braille translation on the mac.

[Stacey Robinson]

Hello.
Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a brl file?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 

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Re: remotely controlling a mac

[michael babcock]

I have no problem with getting speech from a distance, i can do that. What 
process would i need to do to get access to the machine? I enabled all remote 
access options in system preferences for the time being. would i need to start 
speech on the account i’m logging into? Sounds like it might just be easier to 
go use there sticky keyboard… :)
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 2:54 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Michael,
>  
> If I get this correctly, the machine you wish to control is in the same room 
> you are in  in that case yes you can use the apple remote desktop tool, only 
> thing is that you need the speech to come out on your remote machine which 
> isn’t possible.
>  
> You can however get the speech from the machine your accesing and then use it 
> from a distance.
>  
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>  
> is this possible?
> I would like to control the mac from across the room, especially to change 
> system preferences and parental control.
> I can see how to view the screen but can’t figure out how as a voiceover user 
> i can in fact control the mac?
> thanks for any ideas.
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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[E.T.]

   Louis, from .

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On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Hello.
Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a
brl file?

Blessings,
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Re: remotely controlling a mac

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If all you need is to do so from across the room, then why not use a bluetooth 
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  From: Michael Babcock 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:39 AM
  Subject: remotely controlling a mac


  is this possible?
  I would like to control the mac from across the room, especially to change 
system preferences and parental control.
  I can see how to view the screen but can’t figure out how as a voiceover user 
i can in fact control the mac?
  thanks for any ideas.


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Re: remotely controlling a mac

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I thought about that and that would enquire me of buying a BT keyboard and 
waiting for it where as i have this $2400 macbook that if i could just use it i 
would rather do so :)
thanks for the suggestion chris.

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>> is this possible?
>> I would like to control the mac from across the room, especially to change 
>> system preferences and parental control.
>> I can see how to view the screen but can’t figure out how as a voiceover 
>> user i can in fact control the mac?
>> thanks for any ideas.
>> 
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Re: Getting rid of cable (was Netflix)

[Scott Granados]

Donna, thank you for that.

Interestingly enough, it sounds like I would be totally on the same television 
page at your house with the exception of the news.  The big Bang Theory is one 
of my favorite shows.  Sheldon is actually more whacked in the head than I am 
which sometimes rings a little close to home but alwys makes me bust up with 
laughter.:) The righting on that show reminds me of when television used to 
have good programming on the networks more consistently.  Now it’s all just 
reality horse hockey.  I tried watching big brother once and just ended up 
wishing they would introduce anthrax in to the house to spice up the show.
I’ve been trying to get my favorite BBQ spot on diners drive ins and 
dives now for a year.:)  Remind me sometime to tell you off list about how 
Guy’s brand new Lamborghini was stolen oceans eleven style from the same car 
dealership where I was having maintenance done.

Bringing this soundly back on topic, you can view food TV on the Apple TV 4th 
gen.  I’m not sure how you do it with out a cable subscription but on mine I 
browse to a site, put in a code and it pulls down the programming.  It also 
authenticates with my FIOS account so somehow that unlocks the content but 
there aught to be a way to pay for it inexpensively. Or I could give you my 
account (shshsh I didn’t say that)

I’m thinking about the savings you mentioned, $960 yearly on basic cable.  That 
probably translates to over $2500 yearly with my everything package.  That’s 
real chaching!  I could justify the gigabit cost of Internet if I knocked 250 
per month off the bill.  I’d still probably save 1000 to 1500.  Thanks for that 
eye opener!

Interesting topic, if I cut the cord I will let you know and let us know how 
it’s working out for you over time.

Thanks for the detailed explaination of your experience, I found it interesting.





On 6/27/16, 8:12 AM, "Donna Goodin"  wrote:

Hey Scott,

I felt exactly like you do.  My husband had been wanting to cut the chord for a 
long time, and I was the one dragging my feet.  But now that we've done it, I 
don't miss it much at all.  There are some shows I miss like Diners and Dives 
and Restaurant Impossible, but that's about it.  And we've discovered new shows 
that we like that we probably would never have discovered if we'd just been 
able to put the Food Network on and let it run all night. :)

It is different, though.  If you want to watch TV, you can't just pick up the 
remote and surf around.  Now, we decide what we want to watch and then access 
it.  You can surf on Netflix, and probably other sources like Hulu as well, but 
you surf through lists of shows, not channels.  It's funny, my husband will 
occasionally still ask, "What's on TV tonight?" and I have to remind him, it's 
whatever we decide to put on. :)  Neither my husband nor I ever got our news 
from television, so that wasn't an issue for us.

Our cost savings is probably around $80 per month, and we had a basic cable 
package.  Our internet is still cable, and they offer the best service in our 
area, so it's likely to stay that way for a while.  I know other people who 
save less, because they took the same money they were spending on cable, and 
just put it into subscriptions, Hulu, etc.  Whichever way you go, I have to say 
that not only is it nice to be saving that money, it's also just nice not to be 
paying for all that really bad TV--in my opinion, most of what your cable gets 
you is a load of .

So, I'm glad we did it.  My suggestion would be to keep track of what shows you 
get from cable that you actually value.  Then figure out whether those same 
shows are available through another mechanism--don't rule out purchasing them 
if you really like them.  I'm a huge Big Bang Theory fan for example.  That 
isn't available on Netflix, so I just purchased my favorite seasons on iTunes.  
My guess is that you won't have too much that you get from your cable company 
that you couldn't get more cheaply elsewhere.

Good luck, and let us know if you do decide to cut the chord.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 10:16 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Donna, I’ve been thinking of doing the same thing but can’t quite get my head 
> around not having channels to turn to.  I’m still a product of the old 
> television way of doing things.  How about news or other live broadcasting?  
> Do you miss it?  Do you still get it in other ways?
>   How about the cost savings, are they as significant as people claim?  
> Do you miss the older style of TV access or are things going well.  Maybe if 
> nobody objects you could talk a little more about your cord cutting 
> experience?  Are you still receiving Internet over the cable or are you all 
> wireless or some other access method?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/26/16, 8:11 PM, "Donna Goodin"  behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brandon,
> 
> My husband and I ditched our cable last fall.  We now watch either Netflix, 
> or content th

Re: remotely controlling a mac

[Scott Granados]

Doesn’t the mac come with a wireless keyboard on the desktop side?  Don’t you 
already have that or am I missing something, probably amJ

 

Since you can hear the audio in the room on both ends I’m thinking team viewer 
because even if voiceover doesn’t tunnel who cares, you’re in the same building 
with it.  Same room even. Or is that overkill?

 

 

 

From:  on behalf of michael babcock 

Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 at 9:48 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: remotely controlling a mac

 

I thought about that and that would enquire me of buying a BT keyboard and 
waiting for it where as i have this $2400 macbook that if i could just use it i 
would rather do so :)

thanks for the suggestion chris.

 

On Jun 27, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

 

If all you need is to do so from across the room, then why not use a bluetooth 
keyboard?

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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

 

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

- Original Message - 

From: Michael Babcock

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:39 AM

Subject: remotely controlling a mac

 

is this possible?

I would like to control the mac from across the room, especially to change 
system preferences and parental control.

I can see how to view the screen but can’t figure out how as a voiceover user i 
can in fact control the mac?

thanks for any ideas.

 

***

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Consulting Blind entrepreneurs on digital marketing

Your Own Pay

Lets Connect On Twitter

@payown

Or facebook

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Re: remotely controlling a mac

[E.T.]

   A Bluetooth keyboard seems to be the simplest solution even for a 
$2400 system..


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/27/2016 6:48 AM, michael babcock wrote:

I thought about that and that would enquire me of buying a BT keyboard
and waiting for it where as i have this $2400 macbook that if i could
just use it i would rather do so :)
thanks for the suggestion chris.


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If all you need is to do so from across the room, then why not use a
bluetooth keyboard?
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- Original Message -
*From:* Michael Babcock 
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2016 12:39 AM
*Subject:* remotely controlling a mac

is this possible?
I would like to control the mac from across the room, especially to
change system preferences and parental control.
I can see how to view the screen but can’t figure out how as a
voiceover user i can in fact control the mac?
thanks for any ideas.

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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[Stacey Robinson]

Once I download it, how do I use it?
Thanks,

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:35 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Louis, from .
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>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
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>> Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a
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Re: Voiceover Crashing My Mac

[James Lee]

Thanks for the suggestions.

I don't think it is a string issue. Voiceover reads fine what goes into 
the field, and I can't duplicate 100% of the time.


I'll downgrade and see what happens.

Thanks again,

On 6/27/2016 8:29 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Actually before you do a clean install, it might make sense to create 
a new user 90% of the configuration information is stored in the user 
Library folders.


Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan



On 26 Jun 2016, at 07:13, Scott Granados > wrote:


So I’m running the public beta to be clear but I did run that version 
with no problems.  I get an occasional voice over reset but not a 
reboot.  Before you downgrade I would highly suggest installing a 
clean copy of the latest OS.  When you upgrade you frequently get 
issues that a clean install addresses.

Good luck
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*Date:*Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 10:14 PM
*To:*>

*Subject:*Re: Voiceover Crashing My Mac

Thanks both for the reply.
I never seen this before either.
It started happening only a few weeks ago, and I can see the early 
core audio crash reports go back to June 5. Probably that's when I 
updated to the latest OSX.

I guess it's time to go back down.

On 6/25/2016 9:47 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I definitely have not seen this, and try as I may, I cannot 
reproduce that behavior over here.

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*From:*James Lee 
*To:*MacVisionaries 
*Sent:*Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:31 PM
*Subject:*Voiceover Crashing My Mac

Hi

I run OSX 10.115 on iMac 5k 27 inch late 2015.
I'm having a problem Voiceover crashing my computer. I use just 
Alex voice. Screen just goes black and reboots.
If someone does the exactly same task without Voiceover, it doesn't 
happen.
For example, adding input files in xcode project > build phases > 
Run Script.

Also it doesn't happens 100% all the time.
Looking at /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports, there are bunch of 
coreaudiod and a couple of kernel files.
Inside ~/Library/logs/DiagnosticReports, there are bunch of xcode 
and voiceover files.
Based on the files, it might have to do with sound device, but I 
just use system built-in output.
I never had this problem before. Maybe it's the latest OSX update. 
It reminds me Windows. I'm not impressed with Apple lately.
Does anyone have a problem where Voiceover just stops talking, and 
the computer reboots?

Thanks,
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Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:
after finishing my master, i decided to use my mac in all my life.
so, i'm some times facing issues that i need your help:
1- if i need to open more than 1 window to move bitween or copy
somethings, Command accent   doesn't move me bitween windows, i can
use the command tap, it can move me bitween windows but not the
windows that is in 1 finder.
what i mean is that if i need to copy somethign  from my flash drive
to my HD, i must close the flash drive and open my hd to copy, can't i
open teh 2  windows in the same time?
2- o copy something and i went to my hd, it was mac formatted, but i
can't paste, control V can not paste in the flder that i need to paste
in.
can you give me solutions please?
and if you can suggest me a helpful tutorial but quick that can teach
me how to use mach with voice over?

Thanks


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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[Stacey Robinson]

I opened this and it said that it wasn’t compatible with my mac.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:35 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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> 
> On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Hello.
>> Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a
>> brl file?
>> 
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Re: Getting rid of cable (was Netflix)

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi All,

I think the death of cable as we known it all these years has definitely 
started. But its going to be a long, agonizing death. lol. Netflix, Amazon, 
Hulu, and possibly Apple in the very near future will be speeding up this death 
though. I’m going to go ahead and add HBO to that mix as well, now that it is 
possible to purchase a stand alone subscription to their network. Its all about 
that original content, and how we all consume media/entertainment/news now. 
Just 10 years ago, we basically sat around, and waited for network execs, 
newspaper editors, and program directors at radio stations to tell us what was 
news worthy, a great TV show, and the next hot song for the summer. Terrestrial 
radio? Totally irrelevant. They basically just play what is getting the most 
hits on youtube, and look at what is topping the iTunes charts to create their 
playlists. They don’t discover/break new music anymore. Newspapers? Dead as 
dead can be. With twitter, facebook, blogs, and google to hold that all 
together, they are pretty much relegated as social media aggregators. I think 
this is a very good thing. Too few telling us a narrow version of world and 
current events was never a great thing.

Cable is just the last domino to fall. And all though it started with TV, look 
for broadband to be the real tipping factor. You mentioned you keeping your 
broadband cable connection because its the best around.  Now, in 3 to 5 years 
when 5G is a reality for most of us in the U.S. and Europe, and VZ, T-mobile, 
or At&T start offering $30 a month wireless broadband packages for the home, 
with real world speeds approaching 100mb down/up? Oh man! In Big cities Like 
NYC Detroit, Dallas, this won’t have a huge impact. But for those who live in 
rural, out of the way places? Where fiber ends 2 miles out side your town, and 
your using DSL in 2016, and paying $50 a month for the dubious privilege? Cable 
is in trouble. People are going to start doing the math and saying, wait. So I 
can get a little box, plug it in to my outlet, and get fast internet? No person 
drilling holes in my walls, and staying on hold waiting for an excuse about a 
downed line 25 miles away affecting my service? And for less too? Sign me up. 
And, When I go to the in-laws, I can just bring my little box with me? Like my 
Apple TV, or chrome cast?

I think the cable people just lack the foresight. Being the King of the hill 
for 30 years will do that though.
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> I felt exactly like you do.  My husband had been wanting to cut the chord for 
> a long time, and I was the one dragging my feet.  But now that we've done it, 
> I don't miss it much at all.  There are some shows I miss like Diners and 
> Dives and Restaurant Impossible, but that's about it.  And we've discovered 
> new shows that we like that we probably would never have discovered if we'd 
> just been able to put the Food Network on and let it run all night. :)
> 
> It is different, though.  If you want to watch TV, you can't just pick up the 
> remote and surf around.  Now, we decide what we want to watch and then access 
> it.  You can surf on Netflix, and probably other sources like Hulu as well, 
> but you surf through lists of shows, not channels.  It's funny, my husband 
> will occasionally still ask, "What's on TV tonight?" and I have to remind 
> him, it's whatever we decide to put on. :)  Neither my husband nor I ever got 
> our news from television, so that wasn't an issue for us.
> 
> Our cost savings is probably around $80 per month, and we had a basic cable 
> package.  Our internet is still cable, and they offer the best service in our 
> area, so it's likely to stay that way for a while.  I know other people who 
> save less, because they took the same money they were spending on cable, and 
> just put it into subscriptions, Hulu, etc.  Whichever way you go, I have to 
> say that not only is it nice to be saving that money, it's also just nice not 
> to be paying for all that really bad TV--in my opinion, most of what your 
> cable gets you is a load of .
> 
> So, I'm glad we did it.  My suggestion would be to keep track of what shows 
> you get from cable that you actually value.  Then figure out whether those 
> same shows are available through another mechanism--don't rule out purchasing 
> them if you really like them.  I'm a huge Big Bang Theory fan for example.  
> That isn't available on Netflix, so I just purchased my favorite seasons on 
> iTunes.  My guess is that you won't have too much that you get from your 
> cable company that you couldn't get more cheaply elsewhere.
> 
> Good luck, and let us know if you do decide to cut the chord.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 10:16 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, I’ve been thinking of doing the same thing but can’t quite get my 
>> head around not having channels to turn to.  I’m still a product of the old 
>> television

Re: new iPhone

[Scott Davert]

Hi Gabe.
Unless I'm mistaken, you will not be able to use the 4s SIM card in
your 5S without manipulating it. This is because the card in the 4S is
a Micro SIM, and the one in the 5S is a nano-sim.

Scott

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> Absolutely agreed, unlocked should mean unlocked to the network.  It
> shouldn’t mean you’re sort of unlocked, you need to have a SIM but otherwise
> you can use the radio and phone as you want.  That’s again weak sauce ™.
>
> If it’s just a connection issue as someone mentioned then why can’t a
> software or even physical bypass switch be included?  Besides it may cost a
> half penny to include?  I think I just answered my own question.
>
>
>
> On 6/26/16, 6:55 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"  on behalf of listse...@me.com> wrote:
>
> I think AppleSIM is presently a dual-use option on iPad only at the moment.
> It’s a nice idea and apparently does help in certain cases where the
> alternative is full-on international roaming charges (but still not quite as
> cost-effective as buying local, obviously).
>
> But really, yeah, it’s just stupid.  The whole notion of “Activation” is
> meaningless for an unlocked device.  You should just be able to insert a SIM
> card, or not, according to preference, and configure any parameters yourself
> if the phone doesn’t know about them directly.  I could do it on my Nokia
> E51, for heaven’s sake; why not on the iPhone?
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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[Scott Davert]

While it's not software based, you may have better luck with Robobraille
http://www.robobraille.org
Just follow the directions on the website.

HTH,
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On 6/27/16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Blessings,
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>> On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>>> Hello.
>>> Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a
>>> brl file?
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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Mike Arrigo]

Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the 
Windows world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader 
is built in to the operating system. I think you said you were using a 
mac mini, you can use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad 
commander on my mac mini, it makes navigating easier. You can change a 
voiceover setting so you don't have to interact with most things if 
it's too confusing for you. You can reinstall your operating system, 
even with a new hard drive without requiring sighted help. I think the 
mac provides the best experience when browsing the internet. This is 
not an accessibility feature, but the mac operating system is much 
cleaner than windows. The applications are self contained, you don't 
have a central registry controlling everything, or shared files that 
need to be installed all over the place. Finally, Apple has maintained 
the same interface over several versions of the operating system, they 
don't feel a need to change it with each version the way Microsoft 
changes Windows. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Original message:
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want to read it.
I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I 
have the two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El 
Capitan And Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh 
With Voice Over, by Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what 
I am doing for a while, at the moment, that is an understatement. I 
have it set up, thanks to Mr. Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to 
assume one will have sighted help to do that. I have been with windows 
since 2000, and Jaws 3.5. I still have Jaws, having bought, last 
December, the SMA through version 19. I have to figure out, by July 5, 
whether I want to take the Mac back to the Apple store to get my money 
back. So far, it seems like a bunch of incredible tedium to get things 
done, as compared to Windows. The track pad helps, it makes it a little 
more like my iPhone 6, that I love. Getting things done on the iPhone 
never seemed to have nearly the tedium as does the Mac,even when my 
iPhone 5 was new to me. For example, having to interact with things, 
rather than just hitting enter when I want to do something, or press 
two or three keys at the same time to get VoiceOver to do something, I 
have no doubt that I can learn it, but My nagging question during my 14 
days is going to be: why? What is so much better about this than 
Windows? Is the Mac really better, or just different? Is, for example, 
iTunes really easier to use? What little I have investigated, I am not 
yet convinced that it is. Already having Jaws, I don't have the issue 
of having to buy a windows screen reader, and NVDA is making it 
unnecessary even for a new Windows user to do so. I paid over 50 
percent more for this Mac Mini than I could have bought a Windows 10 
computer. I wish I had 30 days, rather than 14, to figure this out. The 
time is ticking. What is so much better about this than Windows, which 
I already know how to use?

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Re: Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, the Mac can handle numerous windows open simultaneously.  If you're 
wishing to move between windows within the same app, Finder for example, then 
you may find the Window Chooser helpful.  Just press VO-f2-f2 to bring it up, 
arrow through the choices and press return on the one you wish to focus on.  
So, if you had a file on your Flash Drive, navigate to it, cmd-c to Copy it to 
the clipboard, then press VO-f2-f2 to bring up the Window Chooser, arrow to the 
window you wish to paste into, press return on it, then press cmd-v to Paste it 
into that location.  This scenario is assuming you already have multiple 
windows open in your Finder session.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2016, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all:
after finishing my master, i decided to use my mac in all my life.
so, i'm some times facing issues that i need your help:
1- if i need to open more than 1 window to move bitween or copy
somethings, Command accent   doesn't move me bitween windows, i can
use the command tap, it can move me bitween windows but not the
windows that is in 1 finder.
what i mean is that if i need to copy somethign  from my flash drive
to my HD, i must close the flash drive and open my hd to copy, can't i
open teh 2  windows in the same time?
2- o copy something and i went to my hd, it was mac formatted, but i
can't paste, control V can not paste in the flder that i need to paste
in.
can you give me solutions please?
and if you can suggest me a helpful tutorial but quick that can teach
me how to use mach with voice over?

Thanks


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Re: remotely controlling a mac

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I seem to remember software that at loud your Macintosh to behave as a 
Bluetooth keyboard.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:31 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   A Bluetooth keyboard seems to be the simplest solution even for a $2400 
> system..
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> 
>> On 6/27/2016 6:48 AM, michael babcock wrote:
>> I thought about that and that would enquire me of buying a BT keyboard
>> and waiting for it where as i have this $2400 macbook that if i could
>> just use it i would rather do so :)
>> thanks for the suggestion chris.
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If all you need is to do so from across the room, then why not use a
>>> bluetooth keyboard?
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>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
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>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message -
 *From:* Michael Babcock 
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2016 12:39 AM
 *Subject:* remotely controlling a mac
 
 is this possible?
 I would like to control the mac from across the room, especially to
 change system preferences and parental control.
 I can see how to view the screen but can’t figure out how as a
 voiceover user i can in fact control the mac?
 thanks for any ideas.
 
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Archiving Text & iMessages

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

Has anyone saved their text messages from their iPhones?  If so, how did you do 
it?  Are they in a format that you can read them later?

Thank you,
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Re: Response to a tweet

[Scott Granados]

Correct all around, you get email notification as well as notification from 
what ever app you’re using.


On 6/27/16, 7:59 AM, "Jonathan Cohn"  wrote:

Most twitter applications like Night Owl have a notification area. Also, I 
believe by default twitter sends you e-mails and/or text messages for each 
reply.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> Hi,
> 
> I am not a very experienced user of Twitter.  How would I know that somebody 
> has responded to my earlier tweet?  The thing is tweets are very short and 
> the way people respond sometimes makes them very impersonal as they do not 
> address you by name.  How can I tell that a particular tweet is addressed to 
> me in a list of so many tweets?
> 
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi,
forgive me, but I did not keep your first message, and the person whose 
reply I am using did not keep your name.
Your questions are fine ones, and speaking only for myself, I find no 
reason for you to apologize.
Speaking only for myself I feel the generalizations that often goes on 
where technology is concerned creates many disadvantages.  to me, no 
technology is better or worse, it is simply different.

The person defining the value is yourself.
Since you have been using windows for more than 16 years, no doubt your 
computer feels like an extension of your hand now, and you desire the same

 experience with what you are trying.
While I am very sure others here can guide you in exploring what you are 
trying, only you know if it is worth the test.

So I am offering questions for you to consider.
first, are there important tasks for you personally that you can no longer 
do  in windows?

 If yes, can you discover if you can do them now on the mac?
Since you are already comfortable with your iphone, is it possible that 
the tasks you can no longer do in windows might work with a combination of 
our iphone and another ios device with an added keypad like an ipad?
Most important of all, if there are no tasks for you personally that you 
cannot do effortlessly in windows...who says you must change at all?
I must add that windows 10  as I understand it, brings its own new issues. 
You may want to be sure you can still do the tasks you are doing now in 
windows  10 effortlessly before you change.
I sincerely respect your individual choice...what works for you personally 
is critical, since no matter how much wisdom others provide, they do not 
live in your head or occupy your body.
Speaking only for myself I have never owned a windows computer, and the 
macs in my home presently  are far from the most current
My choices work for me best now, I hope you can make the best choices for 
yourself regardless of what kind of computer you use.  Neither better or 
worse, just different.

Cheers,
Kare





Original message:

 Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't
 want to read it.
 I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I have
 the two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El Capitan
 And Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh With Voice
 Over, by Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what I am doing for
 a while, at the moment, that is an understatement. I have it set up,
 thanks to Mr. Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to assume one will have
 sighted help to do that. I have been with windows since 2000, and Jaws
 3.5. I still have Jaws, having bought, last December, the SMA through
 version 19. I have to figure out, by July 5, whether I want to take the
 Mac back to the Apple store to get my money back. So far, it seems like a
 bunch of incredible tedium to get things done, as compared to Windows. The
 track pad helps, it makes it a little more like my iPhone 6, that I love.
 Getting things done on the iPhone never seemed to have nearly the tedium
 as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 was new to me. For example, having
 to interact with things, rather than just hitting enter when I want to do
 something, or press two or three keys at the same time to get VoiceOver to
 do something, I have no doubt that I can learn it, but My nagging question
 during my 14 days is going to be: why? What is so much better about this
 than Windows? Is the Mac really better, or just different? Is, for
 example, iTunes really easier to use? What little I have investigated, I
 am not yet convinced that it is. Already having Jaws, I don't have the
 issue of having to buy a windows screen reader, and NVDA is making it
 unnecessary even for a new Windows user to do so. I paid over 50 percent
 more for this Mac Mini than I could have bought a Windows 10 computer. I
 wish I had 30 days, rather than 14, to figure this out. The time is
 ticking. What is so much better about this than Windows, which I already
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Re: Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

[Scott Granados]

Hi Ramy, congratulations on completing your masters.


Tim has already given you the answer to your windowing question and I wanted to 
point you at some good resources to answer the rest of your questions.

First, you made a good move joining this list.  There’s a lot of great talented 
users on this list.
Next I’d like to suggest the Mac for the Blind option.  I believe the site has 
tutorials and John P the lead on that site I believe also teaches apple skills 
so you may wish to head in that direction.
Next, AppleVis is a great resource.  Lots of good articles, podcasts 
and resources.  Would suggest highly that site.

I believe others like Chris Gilland on list and others also provide training so 
maybe they will pipe up.
Ann Robinson (I hope I got her name right) on list has some good 
publications, one I know of conserning pages so that’s another resource.
On Blind Cool Tech Mike Erigo who is also on this list at one point had 
some great introductory podcasts on voiceover as well as VM Fusion.

Hope that gets you started.
 

On 6/27/16, 11:08 AM, "Ramy Moustafa"  wrote:

Hello all:
after finishing my master, i decided to use my mac in all my life.
so, i'm some times facing issues that i need your help:
1- if i need to open more than 1 window to move bitween or copy
somethings, Command accent   doesn't move me bitween windows, i can
use the command tap, it can move me bitween windows but not the
windows that is in 1 finder.
what i mean is that if i need to copy somethign  from my flash drive
to my HD, i must close the flash drive and open my hd to copy, can't i
open teh 2  windows in the same time?
2- o copy something and i went to my hd, it was mac formatted, but i
can't paste, control V can not paste in the flder that i need to paste
in.
can you give me solutions please?
and if you can suggest me a helpful tutorial but quick that can teach
me how to use mach with voice over?

Thanks


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MesaSQLite, Desert Sand Software

[Traci Duncan]

This application was recommended to read the back up database of iPhone text 
and iMessages.  Does anyone have experience with this.  I don’t know what I’m 
doing.  I’ve never tried to read a database file, and I’m not getting very far.

:) Any guidance is appreciated.

Traci


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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[E.T.]

Stacey,
   Did you open the archive and select the installer package? Its 
compatible, I am running Louis on the latest OS.


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On 6/27/2016 8:23 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I opened this and it said that it wasn’t compatible with my mac.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:35 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Louis, from .

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On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Hello.
Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a
brl file?

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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi yes I like browsing on the mac with Safari mostly but I also have Google 
Chrome.
> On 27 Jun 2016, at 16:51, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the Windows 
> world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is built in 
> to the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac mini, you can 
> use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad commander on my mac mini, 
> it makes navigating easier. You can change a voiceover setting so you don't 
> have to interact with most things if it's too confusing for you. You can 
> reinstall your operating system, even with a new hard drive without requiring 
> sighted help. I think the mac provides the best experience when browsing the 
> internet. This is not an accessibility feature, but the mac operating system 
> is much cleaner than windows. The applications are self contained, you don't 
> have a central registry controlling everything, or shared files that need to 
> be installed all over the place. Finally, Apple has maintained the same 
> interface over several versions of the operating system, they don't feel a 
> need to change it with each version the way Microsoft changes Windows. If it 
> ain't broke, don't fix it.
> Original message:
>> Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't want 
>> to read it.
>> I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I have the 
>> two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El Capitan And 
>> Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh With Voice Over, by 
>> Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what I am doing for a while, 
>> at the moment, that is an understatement. I have it set up, thanks to Mr. 
>> Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to assume one will have sighted help to do 
>> that. I have been with windows since 2000, and Jaws 3.5. I still have Jaws, 
>> having bought, last December, the SMA through version 19. I have to figure 
>> out, by July 5, whether I want to take the Mac back to the Apple store to 
>> get my money back. So far, it seems like a bunch of incredible tedium to get 
>> things done, as compared to Windows. The track pad helps, it makes it a 
>> little more like my iPhone 6, that I love. Getting things done on the iPhone 
>> never seemed to have nearly the tedium as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 
>> was new to me. For example, having to interact with things, rather than just 
>> hitting enter when I want to do something, or press two or three keys at the 
>> same time to get VoiceOver to do something, I have no doubt that I can learn 
>> it, but My nagging question during my 14 days is going to be: why? What is 
>> so much better about this than Windows? Is the Mac really better, or just 
>> different? Is, for example, iTunes really easier to use? What little I have 
>> investigated, I am not yet convinced that it is. Already having Jaws, I 
>> don't have the issue of having to buy a windows screen reader, and NVDA is 
>> making it unnecessary even for a new Windows user to do so. I paid over 50 
>> percent more for this Mac Mini than I could have bought a Windows 10 
>> computer. I wish I had 30 days, rather than 14, to figure this out. The time 
>> is ticking. What is so much better about this than Windows, which I already 
>> know how to use?
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Checkbook pro

[Marie Lyons]

Every time I try to open the app I get a message stating that it is not 
responding. What can I do to correct this. I have the paid app.

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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, orca isn’t that bad i think.
It at least has the most efficient braille support i’ve ever used with any OS.
Maybe Cobra screenreader for Windows beats any ScreenReader at least with 
braille Support.
/A
> On 27 Jun 2016, at 09:15, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Yep Scott, glad you mentioned Win10 privacy, I forgot about that, and yes 
> that’s why I’m not using it.  It’s not to say that it’s a bad OS, though, 
> because it isn’t, but there’s still Win8.1 and Classic Shell or, if you want 
> to go retro, Win7.  Both run on that Mac Mini 2014 and Win8.1 and CS is what 
> I’d go with.  You can apply the GPO to keep it from babbling away to M$ or 
> forcing you into Win10.
> 
> I don’t like the direction MS are taking with their charge and slurp and 
> subscriptions approach.  I believe that’s just wrong.  The direction Apple 
> are taking with macOS isn’t much to my liking either, but at least it’s 
> rational, if not entirely tenable because of ultimate cannibalisation from 
> large-screen iOS devices and iOS itself.  However despite Windows’ general 
> lack of, well anything at all really, it still represents a decent desktop OS 
> choice now that’s a known quantity for people who need more flexibility or 
> lower prices, and does at least have the virtue of having a very long 
> lifecycle for the releases on existing hardware.  All the exciting 
> developments in other operating systems for accessibility are first-party, 
> but apart from ChromeOS I can’t see any development on desktop at all.  I 
> keep meaning to try Orca again in the hope that it sucks less now, but I’m 
> still of the opinion that Linux is too far away from many people and 
> especially those without console skills and probably braille as well.  macOS 
> has sadly fallen into the state of being a superb illustration of what is 
> theoretically possible with mainstream accessibility, but also what can go 
> horribly wrong when the company developing it loses interest in the platform. 
>  Not to say it’s a bad option, because it does still have very many virtues 
> and I still cherish it, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if I went on a 
> really bad acid trip one evening and woke up to discover that all my desktops 
> were running Windows either. :)
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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[Stacey Robinson]

When I opened the archive there was a thing called installer package. I opened 
that and got all the way to install.
I’m running the latest version of OSX
Blessings,
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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 1:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Stacey,
>   Did you open the archive and select the installer package? Its compatible, 
> I am running Louis on the latest OS.
> 
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> On 6/27/2016 8:23 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> I opened this and it said that it wasn’t compatible with my mac.
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
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>>>  Louis, from .
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>>> On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 Hello.
 Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a
 brl file?
 
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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[Stacey Robinson]

Scott,
Thanks,
I’ll try this too.

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
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> While it's not software based, you may have better luck with Robobraille
> http://www.robobraille.org
> Just follow the directions on the website.
> 
> HTH,
> Scott
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> On 6/27/16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> I opened this and it said that it wasn’t compatible with my mac.
>> Blessings,
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>>  
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>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:35 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>>>  Louis, from .
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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

It was Windows 10 that did it for me.  I got tired of the inconsistency and the 
issues with accessibility.  I’ve been reading and listening to podcasts about 
the Mac for years, so in March I bought my first Mac.  It’s a Mini, with 
processor and RAM upgraded sufficiently that I feel comfortable running Windows 
from within if I find it necessary.  I may in fact find it necessary for one 
primary reason.  There really isn’t a good Braille production program for Mac, 
and I need one.  Over all, I have been much happier with the Mac.  It took a 
bit of adjustment and I still get tripped up occasionally by the differences.  
I don’t know if I’ll ever be totally comfortable with the way editing works, 
especially since I have to use Windows at work so I can never truly escape.  If 
I had to answer the question in a word, it would be stability.  My Mac doesn’t 
crash, doesn’t suddenly slow to a crawl for no reason, is totally booted and 
with everything I was working on last I used it before the windows machine has 
even presented a login screen, and integrates marvelously with my iPhone.  
Every time I boot the Windows machine, which is slowly becoming more and more 
unusable, I wish I could toss it out the window.!  I am hoping that with Mac 
usage on the rise, we won’t be left out in the cold with braille publication 
forever.  That will be the day I find an interesting and satisfying way to 
dispose of the big black box on the floor of my office.

Not that the Mac is perfect.  I’m replying to this reply because I tried to 
delete some of the messages in this thread and leave others.  I went up too far 
and got the conversation group.  Everything went away and undo didn’t.  I can’t 
even find the messages in the trash.

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the Windows 
> world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is built in 
> to the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac mini, you can 
> use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad commander on my mac mini, 
> it makes navigating easier. You can change a voiceover setting so you don't 
> have to interact with most things if it's too confusing for you. You can 
> reinstall your operating system, even with a new hard drive without requiring 
> sighted help. I think the mac provides the best experience when browsing the 
> internet. This is not an accessibility feature, but the mac operating system 
> is much cleaner than windows. The applications are self contained, you don't 
> have a central registry controlling everything, or shared files that need to 
> be installed all over the place. Finally, Apple has maintained the same 
> interface over several versions of the operating system, they don't feel a 
> need to change it with each version the way Microsoft changes Windows. If it 
> ain't broke, don't fix it.
> Original message:
>> Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't want 
>> to read it.
>> I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I have the 
>> two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El Capitan And 
>> Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh With Voice Over, by 
>> Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what I am doing for a while, 
>> at the moment, that is an understatement. I have it set up, thanks to Mr. 
>> Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to assume one will have sighted help to do 
>> that. I have been with windows since 2000, and Jaws 3.5. I still have Jaws, 
>> having bought, last December, the SMA through version 19. I have to figure 
>> out, by July 5, whether I want to take the Mac back to the Apple store to 
>> get my money back. So far, it seems like a bunch of incredible tedium to get 
>> things done, as compared to Windows. The track pad helps, it makes it a 
>> little more like my iPhone 6, that I love. Getting things done on the iPhone 
>> never seemed to have nearly the tedium as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 
>> was new to me. For example, having to interact with things, rather than just 
>> hitting enter when I want to do something, or press two or three keys at the 
>> same time to get VoiceOver to do something, I have no doubt that I can learn 
>> it, but My nagging question during my 14 days is going to be: why? What is 
>> so much better about this than Windows? Is the Mac really better, or just 
>> different? Is, for example, iTunes really easier to use? What little I have 
>> investigated, I am not yet convinced that it is. Already having Jaws, I 
>> don't have the issue of having to buy a windows screen reader, and NVDA is 
>> making it unnecessary even for a new Windows user to do so. I paid over 50 
>> percent more for this Mac Mini than I could have bought a Windows 10 
>> computer. I wish I had 30 days, rather than 14, to figure this out. The time 
>> is ticking. What is so much better abou

Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
This is a dum question but are you going to embose it?
And if so on what emboser?
/A
> On 27 Jun 2016, at 03:00, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Hello.
> Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a brl 
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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[E.T.]

   Press the Install Anyway button. Nothing broke when I did that. I 
can still run Louis.


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On 6/27/2016 11:46 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

When I opened the archive there was a thing called installer package. I opened 
that and got all the way to install.
I’m running the latest version of OSX
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jun 27, 2016, at 1:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Stacey,
  Did you open the archive and select the installer package? Its compatible, I 
am running Louis on the latest OS.

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On 6/27/2016 8:23 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I opened this and it said that it wasn’t compatible with my mac.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:35 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 Louis, from .

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On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Hello.
Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a
brl file?

Blessings,
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mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Scott Granados]

Just to add to your comments, Braille is by far the weak point in my mind.  
Braille on OSX is bad or at least with  my Focus 40.  That’s a definite 
weakness you point out that I can attest to from personal experience.


On 6/27/16, 2:50 PM, "Larry Thacker Jr."  wrote:

It was Windows 10 that did it for me.  I got tired of the inconsistency and the 
issues with accessibility.  I’ve been reading and listening to podcasts about 
the Mac for years, so in March I bought my first Mac.  It’s a Mini, with 
processor and RAM upgraded sufficiently that I feel comfortable running Windows 
from within if I find it necessary.  I may in fact find it necessary for one 
primary reason.  There really isn’t a good Braille production program for Mac, 
and I need one.  Over all, I have been much happier with the Mac.  It took a 
bit of adjustment and I still get tripped up occasionally by the differences.  
I don’t know if I’ll ever be totally comfortable with the way editing works, 
especially since I have to use Windows at work so I can never truly escape.  If 
I had to answer the question in a word, it would be stability.  My Mac doesn’t 
crash, doesn’t suddenly slow to a crawl for no reason, is totally booted and 
with everything I was working on last I used it before the windows machine has 
even presented a login screen, and integrates marvelously with my iPhone.  
Every time I boot the Windows machine, which is slowly becoming more and more 
unusable, I wish I could toss it out the window.!  I am hoping that with Mac 
usage on the rise, we won’t be left out in the cold with braille publication 
forever.  That will be the day I find an interesting and satisfying way to 
dispose of the big black box on the floor of my office.

Not that the Mac is perfect.  I’m replying to this reply because I tried to 
delete some of the messages in this thread and leave others.  I went up too far 
and got the conversation group.  Everything went away and undo didn’t.  I can’t 
even find the messages in the trash.

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the Windows 
> world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is built in 
> to the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac mini, you can 
> use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad commander on my mac mini, 
> it makes navigating easier. You can change a voiceover setting so you don't 
> have to interact with most things if it's too confusing for you. You can 
> reinstall your operating system, even with a new hard drive without requiring 
> sighted help. I think the mac provides the best experience when browsing the 
> internet. This is not an accessibility feature, but the mac operating system 
> is much cleaner than windows. The applications are self contained, you don't 
> have a central registry controlling everything, or shared files that need to 
> be installed all over the place. Finally, Apple has maintained the same 
> interface over several versions of the operating system, they don't feel a 
> need to change it with each version the way Microsoft changes Windows. If it 
> ain't broke, don't fix it.
> Original message:
>> Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't want 
>> to read it.
>> I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I have the 
>> two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El Capitan And 
>> Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh With Voice Over, by 
>> Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what I am doing for a while, 
>> at the moment, that is an understatement. I have it set up, thanks to Mr. 
>> Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to assume one will have sighted help to do 
>> that. I have been with windows since 2000, and Jaws 3.5. I still have Jaws, 
>> having bought, last December, the SMA through version 19. I have to figure 
>> out, by July 5, whether I want to take the Mac back to the Apple store to 
>> get my money back. So far, it seems like a bunch of incredible tedium to get 
>> things done, as compared to Windows. The track pad helps, it makes it a 
>> little more like my iPhone 6, that I love. Getting things done on the iPhone 
>> never seemed to have nearly the tedium as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 
>> was new to me. For example, having to interact with things, rather than just 
>> hitting enter when I want to do something, or press two or three keys at the 
>> same time to get VoiceOver to do something, I have no doubt that I can learn 
>> it, but My nagging question during my 14 days is going to be: why? What is 
>> so much better about this than Windows? Is the Mac really better, or just 
>> different? Is, for example, iTunes really easier to use? What little I have 
>> investigated, I am not yet convinced that it is. Already having Jaws, I 
>> don't have the issue of having to buy a windows screen reader, and NVDA is 
>> 

Re: remotely controlling a mac

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

If you can hear the audio from the remote machine across the room, 
couldn't you use the native screen sharing stuff in OSX? It doesn't 
transmit audio but if that will do the job then there is no need to buy 
a BT keyboard. I think the basic process is along the lines of Connect 
To Server (command -k), browser, find your machine in the list, Share 
Screen. You might need Back to My Mac and such turned on for this to 
work if the remote machine isn't on the same network. Might be some 
tricky way to get audio through an auto-answer facetime session, but 
I've never tried that.


CB

On 6/27/16 9:48 AM, michael babcock wrote:
I thought about that and that would enquire me of buying a BT keyboard 
and waiting for it where as i have this $2400 macbook that if i could 
just use it i would rather do so :)

thanks for the suggestion chris.

On Jun 27, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:


If all you need is to do so from across the room, then why not use a 
bluetooth keyboard?

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*Sent:*Monday, June 27, 2016 12:39 AM
*Subject:*remotely controlling a mac

is this possible?
I would like to control the mac from across the room, especially to 
change system preferences and parental control.
I can see how to view the screen but can’t figure out how as a 
voiceover user i can in fact control the mac?

thanks for any ideas.

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Re: Checkbook pro

[E.T.]

   What happens if you force quit the app then open it again?

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On 6/27/2016 11:26 AM, Marie Lyons wrote:

Every time I try to open the app I get a message stating that it is not 
responding. What can I do to correct this. I have the paid app.

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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[Stacey Robinson]

No, I want to read it on my onhand.
Blessings,
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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> This is a dum question but are you going to embose it?
> And if so on what emboser?
> /A
>> On 27 Jun 2016, at 03:00, Stacey Robinson > > wrote:
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>> Hello.
>> Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a brl 
>> file?
>> 
>> Blessings,
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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks very much. I’ll give that a try.
Blessings,
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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 1:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Press the Install Anyway button. Nothing broke when I did that. I can still 
> run Louis.
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> On 6/27/2016 11:46 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> When I opened the archive there was a thing called installer package. I 
>> opened that and got all the way to install.
>> I’m running the latest version of OSX
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 1:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Stacey,
>>>  Did you open the archive and select the installer package? Its compatible, 
>>> I am running Louis on the latest OS.
>>> 
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>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2016 8:23 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 I opened this and it said that it wasn’t compatible with my mac.
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:35 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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> Louis, from .
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> On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
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>> Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a
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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Arnold Schmidt]

Thanks for all the response I have gotten to my question.  So everyone will 
know, at this point, it is much less likely that I will take it back than 
that I will.  And I am very willing to admit that I don't really know what I 
am doing yet, that was very much expected by me.


I have seen several people write to say that I can change something so I 
don't have to do all that interacting.  First, why do you suppose Apple set 
it up this way in the first place?  Is there something about having to 
interact with things that, when I get use to it, I will find it to be much 
better this way?  If not, tell me how to fix it so that, at least 
temporarily, I don't have to do it.


Yes, I do have a track pad.  I am glad to have it, it is somewhat similar to 
my iPhone, and when I get everything together, it will be the closest I will 
have become to being able to use a mouse,as well as keyboard commands.  When 
I am use to everything, I expect I will use both keyboard and track pad, 
getting the best of both worlds.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Arrigo" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?


Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the 
Windows world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is 
built in to the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac 
mini, you can use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad 
commander on my mac mini, it makes navigating easier. You can change a 
voiceover setting so you don't have to interact with most things if it's 
too confusing for you. You can reinstall your operating system, even with 
a new hard drive without requiring sighted help. I think the mac provides 
the best experience when browsing the internet. This is not an 
accessibility feature, but the mac operating system is much cleaner than 
windows. The applications are self contained, you don't have a central 
registry controlling everything, or shared files that need to be installed 
all over the place. Finally, Apple has maintained the same interface over 
several versions of the operating system, they don't feel a need to change 
it with each version the way Microsoft changes Windows. If it ain't broke, 
don't fix it.

Original message:
Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't 
want to read it.
I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I have 
the two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El Capitan 
And Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh With Voice 
Over, by Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what I am doing 
for a while, at the moment, that is an understatement. I have it set up, 
thanks to Mr. Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to assume one will have 
sighted help to do that. I have been with windows since 2000, and Jaws 
3.5. I still have Jaws, having bought, last December, the SMA through 
version 19. I have to figure out, by July 5, whether I want to take the 
Mac back to the Apple store to get my money back. So far, it seems like a 
bunch of incredible tedium to get things done, as compared to Windows. 
The track pad helps, it makes it a little more like my iPhone 6, that I 
love. Getting things done on the iPhone never seemed to have nearly the 
tedium as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 was new to me. For example, 
having to interact with things, rather than just hitting enter when I 
want to do something, or press two or three keys at the same time to get 
VoiceOver to do something, I have no doubt that I can learn it, but My 
nagging question during my 14 days is going to be: why? What is so much 
better about this than Windows? Is the Mac really better, or just 
different? Is, for example, iTunes really easier to use? What little I 
have investigated, I am not yet convinced that it is. Already having 
Jaws, I don't have the issue of having to buy a windows screen reader, 
and NVDA is making it unnecessary even for a new Windows user to do so. I 
paid over 50 percent more for this Mac Mini than I could have bought a 
Windows 10 computer. I wish I had 30 days, rather than 14, to figure this 
out. The time is ticking. What is so much better about this than Windows, 
which I already know how to use?

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Re: A GUI question

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Depends on what you mean by "run the Mac GUI". The Mac GUI is just an 
overlay on top of what's happening under the hood. So if you are SSHed 
into another Mac, cd to the Desktop folder and rm a file, that file will 
be gone from the desktop in the GUI as well.


CB

On 6/25/16 4:43 PM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

I have an old Mac that I have SSHed into and logged in can I run the Mac GUI 
fromSSH? VNC says that the Remote Server is not running. Thank you for all help.

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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

Mike,


Here's an example of why interacting is a genius idea from Apple.


I use Wikipedia multiple times per day. Have you noticed that most 
Wikipedia articles have a table near the top of the page which gives 
information about whatever the article will be? For example, if you type 
in Arizona Diamondbacks, it may give information such as founding date, 
home stadium, uniform colors, manager, GM etc. But, I couldn't give a 
rip about the founding date, who the GM is or any of that right now. I 
just wanna find out when they last won the NL West. In Windows, I have 
not found a way with any screen reader to bypass the table. Yes, you 
could use that keystroke which bypasses links, but that doesn't preclude 
a lot in those tables. You could navigate by headings, but you'll have 
to hit CTRL+up arrow until you get to the information in the blurb which 
most articles put before the table of contents. In OSX, be I in Safari, 
Chrome, Lightning or whatever, if I have it set the way I do, Voiceover 
will just say "table", but it shan't enter thereinto. If I just VO right 
arrow, I'm past that table, and I'm down into the article's contents 
themselves. I've found that the web is where interacting really shines.



Ben


On 6/27/2016 13:30, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
Thanks for all the response I have gotten to my question.  So everyone 
will know, at this point, it is much less likely that I will take it 
back than that I will.  And I am very willing to admit that I don't 
really know what I am doing yet, that was very much expected by me.


I have seen several people write to say that I can change something so 
I don't have to do all that interacting.  First, why do you suppose 
Apple set it up this way in the first place?  Is there something about 
having to interact with things that, when I get use to it, I will find 
it to be much better this way?  If not, tell me how to fix it so that, 
at least temporarily, I don't have to do it.


Yes, I do have a track pad.  I am glad to have it, it is somewhat 
similar to my iPhone, and when I get everything together, it will be 
the closest I will have become to being able to use a mouse,as well as 
keyboard commands.  When I am use to everything, I expect I will use 
both keyboard and track pad, getting the best of both worlds.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - From: "Mike Arrigo" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?


Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the 
Windows world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen 
reader is built in to the operating system. I think you said you were 
using a mac mini, you can use the track pad if you have one, I use 
the numpad commander on my mac mini, it makes navigating easier. You 
can change a voiceover setting so you don't have to interact with 
most things if it's too confusing for you. You can reinstall your 
operating system, even with a new hard drive without requiring 
sighted help. I think the mac provides the best experience when 
browsing the internet. This is not an accessibility feature, but the 
mac operating system is much cleaner than windows. The applications 
are self contained, you don't have a central registry controlling 
everything, or shared files that need to be installed all over the 
place. Finally, Apple has maintained the same interface over several 
versions of the operating system, they don't feel a need to change it 
with each version the way Microsoft changes Windows. If it ain't 
broke, don't fix it.

Original message:
Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you 
don't want to read it.
I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I 
have the two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With 
El Capitan And Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The 
Macintosh With Voice Over, by Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not 
to know what I am doing for a while, at the moment, that is an 
understatement. I have it set up, thanks to Mr. Sniffen's book, Ms. 
Ingber seems to assume one will have sighted help to do that. I have 
been with windows since 2000, and Jaws 3.5. I still have Jaws, 
having bought, last December, the SMA through version 19. I have to 
figure out, by July 5, whether I want to take the Mac back to the 
Apple store to get my money back. So far, it seems like a bunch of 
incredible tedium to get things done, as compared to Windows. The 
track pad helps, it makes it a little more like my iPhone 6, that I 
love. Getting things done on the iPhone never seemed to have nearly 
the tedium as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 was new to me. For 
example, having to interact with things, rather than just hitting 
enter when I want to do something, or press two or three keys at the 
same time to get VoiceOver to do something, I have no doubt that I 
can learn it, but My nagging question during my 14 days is going to 
be: why? What is so much be

Re: Converting songs to mp3 with latest iTunes and ElCap.

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Glad to hear it wasn't some crazy hard to reproduce issue.

CB

On 6/24/16 6:05 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Chris,
I followed your directions and had no trouble converting to mp3.
Thanks for your help.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Jun 24, 2016, at 3:41 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Hmm. I don't seem to be able to reproduce this. I went to playlist 
and then to Purchased to make sure I had tracks from iTunes and not 
ripped from my own CDs. I stopped interacting, did VO-right twice to 
get past the splitter to the scroll area, interacted with that, did a 
VO-right to move from the header to the table, interacted with that 
and then just did plain up/down arrows to select a track. After that 
I did VO-m to go to the menus, right arrow twice to get to File, down 
about 12 times to convert, right to Create MP3 version and that was it.


CB

On 6/23/16 7:33 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Hi,
I’m running the latest OS and the latest iTunes and I am no longer 
able to convert purchased songs to mp3.
Before, I could highlight a song and do a VO-shift m and convert to 
mp3. This doesn’t work and if I choose convert from the file menu it 
is dimmed.

Any help is appreciated.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

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Re: A GUI question

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Chris

Thank you. I had the Mac fixed and then it fell ill. I am going to reinstall.

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Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Arnold,

The purpose of interacting is to speed up navigation.  VoiceOver groups 
elements together so that you only need to deal with that element if you want 
to.  for example, when navigating, VO will come upon a table, and tell you that 
it's there.  If you don't interact with it, then you've skipped all the items 
within that table, thus making you navigate around screens and web-pages quite 
quickly.  Often, I'll interact with a table, determine the contents, stop 
interacting and move on.  I find it very helpful in navigation.  I will say 
though, that I've been using Macs since 1988 and VO since it was released with 
10.4 Tiger, so, I'm very comfortable with the entire experience.

Regarding the interaction setting, go into the VO Utility (VO-f8) and check out 
both the Navigation and Web panes.  Some of the settings there may assist you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2016, at 14:30, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

Thanks for all the response I have gotten to my question.  So everyone will 
know, at this point, it is much less likely that I will take it back than that 
I will.  And I am very willing to admit that I don't really know what I am 
doing yet, that was very much expected by me.

I have seen several people write to say that I can change something so I don't 
have to do all that interacting.  First, why do you suppose Apple set it up 
this way in the first place?  Is there something about having to interact with 
things that, when I get use to it, I will find it to be much better this way?  
If not, tell me how to fix it so that, at least temporarily, I don't have to do 
it.

Yes, I do have a track pad.  I am glad to have it, it is somewhat similar to my 
iPhone, and when I get everything together, it will be the closest I will have 
become to being able to use a mouse,as well as keyboard commands.  When I am 
use to everything, I expect I will use both keyboard and track pad, getting the 
best of both worlds.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - From: "Mike Arrigo" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?


> Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the Windows 
> world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is built in 
> to the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac mini, you can 
> use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad commander on my mac mini, 
> it makes navigating easier. You can change a voiceover setting so you don't 
> have to interact with most things if it's too confusing for you. You can 
> reinstall your operating system, even with a new hard drive without requiring 
> sighted help. I think the mac provides the best experience when browsing the 
> internet. This is not an accessibility feature, but the mac operating system 
> is much cleaner than windows. The applications are self contained, you don't 
> have a central registry controlling everything, or shared files that need to 
> be installed all over the place. Finally, Apple has maintained the same 
> interface over several versions of the operating system, they don't feel a 
> need to change it with each version the way Microsoft changes Windows. If it 
> ain't broke, don't fix it.
> Original message:
>> Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't want 
>> to read it.
>> I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I have the 
>> two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El Capitan And 
>> Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh With Voice Over, by 
>> Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what I am doing for a while, 
>> at the moment, that is an understatement. I have it set up, thanks to Mr. 
>> Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to assume one will have sighted help to do 
>> that. I have been with windows since 2000, and Jaws 3.5. I still have Jaws, 
>> having bought, last December, the SMA through version 19. I have to figure 
>> out, by July 5, whether I want to take the Mac back to the Apple store to 
>> get my money back. So far, it seems like a bunch of incredible tedium to get 
>> things done, as compared to Windows. The track pad helps, it makes it a 
>> little more like my iPhone 6, that I love. Getting things done on the iPhone 
>> never seemed to have nearly the tedium as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 
>> was new to me. For example, having to interact with things, rather than just 
>> hitting enter when I want to do something, or press two or three keys at the 
>> same time to get VoiceOver to do something, I have no doubt that I can learn 
>> it, but My nagging question during my 14 days is going to be: why? What is 
>> so much better about this than Windows? Is the Mac really better, or just 
>> different? Is, for example, iTunes really easier to use? What little I have 
>> investigated, I am not yet convinced that it is. Already having Jaws, I 
>> don't have

Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

Scott and all,


if you don't mind my asking, how is Braille the weak point of OSX? I'll 
have to vehemently disagree with you hereon, and here's why.



I have an older Focus 40 USB Braille display, and I took it down to 
North Carolina when I visited Chris Gilland a few years ago. He was 
thinking about acquiring a Macintosh computer himself, so he wanted to 
see how Braille works on OSX with Voiceover.



I had been in Windows since Christmas of 1997, when I received a 
computer from my family. It was running Jaws 3.0, and I was using a 
hardware Doubletalk PC. Yeah, that was back in em air days, Sunny? LOL!



I had become accustomed to plugging in the display, not getting much 
screen reader feedback save for the fact that Windows sees the display. 
if it's the first time, then of course Windows tries to pull the drivers 
et alia. Then, I'd have to locate the Braille settings to the screen 
reader and tell it to use the display. Then and only then, I'm live. Not 
with OSX that is, says Yoda.



We plugged that mother into Chris's macBook. It had never seen this 
display a day in its freaking life. I heard the little da-boong sound 
that Voiceover makes when a Braille display is plugged in, and I was in! 
it was trippy. Literally instantaneously, we were using Braille on OSX. 
I was floored! Then when I heard that OSX Lion would bring the genie out 
of the bottle in terms of languages, I was raring to go, and so was my 
Mid 2010 white stock polycarbon MacBook! NVDA is amazing with Braille. 
Jaws has a ways yet to go, and I don't know about Satogo or Window-Eyes. 
OSX takes the cake hands down in terms of Braille support.



Ben


On 6/27/2016 12:27, Scott Granados wrote:

Just to add to your comments, Braille is by far the weak point in my mind.  
Braille on OSX is bad or at least with  my Focus 40.  That’s a definite 
weakness you point out that I can attest to from personal experience.


On 6/27/16, 2:50 PM, "Larry Thacker Jr."  wrote:

It was Windows 10 that did it for me.  I got tired of the inconsistency and the 
issues with accessibility.  I’ve been reading and listening to podcasts about 
the Mac for years, so in March I bought my first Mac.  It’s a Mini, with 
processor and RAM upgraded sufficiently that I feel comfortable running Windows 
from within if I find it necessary.  I may in fact find it necessary for one 
primary reason.  There really isn’t a good Braille production program for Mac, 
and I need one.  Over all, I have been much happier with the Mac.  It took a 
bit of adjustment and I still get tripped up occasionally by the differences.  
I don’t know if I’ll ever be totally comfortable with the way editing works, 
especially since I have to use Windows at work so I can never truly escape.  If 
I had to answer the question in a word, it would be stability.  My Mac doesn’t 
crash, doesn’t suddenly slow to a crawl for no reason, is totally booted and 
with everything I was working on last I used it before the windows machine has 
even presented a login screen, and integrates marvelously with my iPhone.  
Every time I boot the Windows machine, which is slowly becoming more and more 
unusable, I wish I could toss it out the window.!  I am hoping that with Mac 
usage on the rise, we won’t be left out in the cold with braille publication 
forever.  That will be the day I find an interesting and satisfying way to 
dispose of the big black box on the floor of my office.

Not that the Mac is perfect.  I’m replying to this reply because I tried to 
delete some of the messages in this thread and leave others.  I went up too far 
and got the conversation group.  Everything went away and undo didn’t.  I can’t 
even find the messages in the trash.


On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the Windows 
world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is built in to 
the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac mini, you can use 
the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad commander on my mac mini, it 
makes navigating easier. You can change a voiceover setting so you don't have 
to interact with most things if it's too confusing for you. You can reinstall 
your operating system, even with a new hard drive without requiring sighted 
help. I think the mac provides the best experience when browsing the internet. 
This is not an accessibility feature, but the mac operating system is much 
cleaner than windows. The applications are self contained, you don't have a 
central registry controlling everything, or shared files that need to be 
installed all over the place. Finally, Apple has maintained the same interface 
over several versions of the operating system, they don't feel a need to change 
it with each version the way Microsoft changes Windows. If it ain't broke, 
don't fix it.
Original message:

Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't want to 
read it.
I hav

Re: Getting rid of cable (was Netflix)

[Donna Goodin]

I completely agree, Ricardo. 
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I think the death of cable as we known it all these years has definitely 
> started. But its going to be a long, agonizing death. lol. Netflix, Amazon, 
> Hulu, and possibly Apple in the very near future will be speeding up this 
> death though. I’m going to go ahead and add HBO to that mix as well, now that 
> it is possible to purchase a stand alone subscription to their network. Its 
> all about that original content, and how we all consume 
> media/entertainment/news now. Just 10 years ago, we basically sat around, and 
> waited for network execs, newspaper editors, and program directors at radio 
> stations to tell us what was news worthy, a great TV show, and the next hot 
> song for the summer. Terrestrial radio? Totally irrelevant. They basically 
> just play what is getting the most hits on youtube, and look at what is 
> topping the iTunes charts to create their playlists. They don’t 
> discover/break new music anymore. Newspapers? Dead as dead can be. With 
> twitter, facebook, blogs, and google to hold that all together, they are 
> pretty much relegated as social media aggregators. I think this is a very 
> good thing. Too few telling us a narrow version of world and current events 
> was never a great thing.
> 
> Cable is just the last domino to fall. And all though it started with TV, 
> look for broadband to be the real tipping factor. You mentioned you keeping 
> your broadband cable connection because its the best around.  Now, in 3 to 5 
> years when 5G is a reality for most of us in the U.S. and Europe, and VZ, 
> T-mobile, or At&T start offering $30 a month wireless broadband packages for 
> the home, with real world speeds approaching 100mb down/up? Oh man! In Big 
> cities Like NYC Detroit, Dallas, this won’t have a huge impact. But for those 
> who live in rural, out of the way places? Where fiber ends 2 miles out side 
> your town, and your using DSL in 2016, and paying $50 a month for the dubious 
> privilege? Cable is in trouble. People are going to start doing the math and 
> saying, wait. So I can get a little box, plug it in to my outlet, and get 
> fast internet? No person drilling holes in my walls, and staying on hold 
> waiting for an excuse about a downed line 25 miles away affecting my service? 
> And for less too? Sign me up. And, When I go to the in-laws, I can just bring 
> my little box with me? Like my Apple TV, or chrome cast?
> 
> I think the cable people just lack the foresight. Being the King of the hill 
> for 30 years will do that though.
>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> I felt exactly like you do.  My husband had been wanting to cut the chord 
>> for a long time, and I was the one dragging my feet.  But now that we've 
>> done it, I don't miss it much at all.  There are some shows I miss like 
>> Diners and Dives and Restaurant Impossible, but that's about it.  And we've 
>> discovered new shows that we like that we probably would never have 
>> discovered if we'd just been able to put the Food Network on and let it run 
>> all night. :)
>> 
>> It is different, though.  If you want to watch TV, you can't just pick up 
>> the remote and surf around.  Now, we decide what we want to watch and then 
>> access it.  You can surf on Netflix, and probably other sources like Hulu as 
>> well, but you surf through lists of shows, not channels.  It's funny, my 
>> husband will occasionally still ask, "What's on TV tonight?" and I have to 
>> remind him, it's whatever we decide to put on. :)  Neither my husband nor I 
>> ever got our news from television, so that wasn't an issue for us.
>> 
>> Our cost savings is probably around $80 per month, and we had a basic cable 
>> package.  Our internet is still cable, and they offer the best service in 
>> our area, so it's likely to stay that way for a while.  I know other people 
>> who save less, because they took the same money they were spending on cable, 
>> and just put it into subscriptions, Hulu, etc.  Whichever way you go, I have 
>> to say that not only is it nice to be saving that money, it's also just nice 
>> not to be paying for all that really bad TV--in my opinion, most of what 
>> your cable gets you is a load of .
>> 
>> So, I'm glad we did it.  My suggestion would be to keep track of what shows 
>> you get from cable that you actually value.  Then figure out whether those 
>> same shows are available through another mechanism--don't rule out 
>> purchasing them if you really like them.  I'm a huge Big Bang Theory fan for 
>> example.  That isn't available on Netflix, so I just purchased my favorite 
>> seasons on iTunes.  My guess is that you won't have too much that you get 
>> from your cable company that you couldn't get more cheaply elsewhere.
>> 
>> Good luck, and let us know if you do decide to cut the chord.
>> Cheers

Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

The problem, as far as I know, isn’t with support for braille displays.  From 
what I have heard that is indeed good.  I don’t have one.  The issue is that 
there is no full-featured brail publishing program such as Duxbury for the Mac. 
 For even casual brail translation, if you want other people to see it, there 
does not appear to be a good option.  I could not get Louis to work and from 
what I am reading it would not really be sufficient for any kind of serious 
braille translation/transcription work.  I would love to know about it if I’m 
wrong.

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott and all,
> 
> 
> if you don't mind my asking, how is Braille the weak point of OSX? I'll have 
> to vehemently disagree with you hereon, and here's why.
> 
> 
> I have an older Focus 40 USB Braille display, and I took it down to North 
> Carolina when I visited Chris Gilland a few years ago. He was thinking about 
> acquiring a Macintosh computer himself, so he wanted to see how Braille works 
> on OSX with Voiceover.
> 
> 
> I had been in Windows since Christmas of 1997, when I received a computer 
> from my family. It was running Jaws 3.0, and I was using a hardware 
> Doubletalk PC. Yeah, that was back in em air days, Sunny? LOL!
> 
> 
> I had become accustomed to plugging in the display, not getting much screen 
> reader feedback save for the fact that Windows sees the display. if it's the 
> first time, then of course Windows tries to pull the drivers et alia. Then, 
> I'd have to locate the Braille settings to the screen reader and tell it to 
> use the display. Then and only then, I'm live. Not with OSX that is, says 
> Yoda.
> 
> 
> We plugged that mother into Chris's macBook. It had never seen this display a 
> day in its freaking life. I heard the little da-boong sound that Voiceover 
> makes when a Braille display is plugged in, and I was in! it was trippy. 
> Literally instantaneously, we were using Braille on OSX. I was floored! Then 
> when I heard that OSX Lion would bring the genie out of the bottle in terms 
> of languages, I was raring to go, and so was my Mid 2010 white stock 
> polycarbon MacBook! NVDA is amazing with Braille. Jaws has a ways yet to go, 
> and I don't know about Satogo or Window-Eyes. OSX takes the cake hands down 
> in terms of Braille support.
> 
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 6/27/2016 12:27, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Just to add to your comments, Braille is by far the weak point in my mind.  
>> Braille on OSX is bad or at least with  my Focus 40.  That’s a definite 
>> weakness you point out that I can attest to from personal experience.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/27/16, 2:50 PM, "Larry Thacker Jr." > behalf of larry.thacker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It was Windows 10 that did it for me.  I got tired of the inconsistency and 
>> the issues with accessibility.  I’ve been reading and listening to podcasts 
>> about the Mac for years, so in March I bought my first Mac.  It’s a Mini, 
>> with processor and RAM upgraded sufficiently that I feel comfortable running 
>> Windows from within if I find it necessary.  I may in fact find it necessary 
>> for one primary reason.  There really isn’t a good Braille production 
>> program for Mac, and I need one.  Over all, I have been much happier with 
>> the Mac.  It took a bit of adjustment and I still get tripped up 
>> occasionally by the differences.  I don’t know if I’ll ever be totally 
>> comfortable with the way editing works, especially since I have to use 
>> Windows at work so I can never truly escape.  If I had to answer the 
>> question in a word, it would be stability.  My Mac doesn’t crash, doesn’t 
>> suddenly slow to a crawl for no reason, is totally booted and with 
>> everything I was working on last I used it before the windows machine has 
>> even presented a login screen, and integrates marvelously with my iPhone.  
>> Every time I boot the Windows machine, which is slowly becoming more and 
>> more unusable, I wish I could toss it out the window.!  I am hoping that 
>> with Mac usage on the rise, we won’t be left out in the cold with braille 
>> publication forever.  That will be the day I find an interesting and 
>> satisfying way to dispose of the big black box on the floor of my office.
>> 
>> Not that the Mac is perfect.  I’m replying to this reply because I tried to 
>> delete some of the messages in this thread and leave others.  I went up too 
>> far and got the conversation group.  Everything went away and undo didn’t.  
>> I can’t even find the messages in the trash.
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the Windows 
>>> world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is built in 
>>> to the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac mini, you 
>>> can use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad commander on my mac 
>>> mini, it makes navigating easier. You can change a vo

Re: Getting rid of cable (was Netflix)

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

Being that this is Mac Visionaries, I'll throw it back to Apple. 
Ricardo, you mentioned HBO. I have HBO Now, and I just got Amazon Prime 
again. I don't know how extensive HBO Now is, because my parents 
subscribe to HBO via our cable provider, but the HBO Now app works 
wonderfully on the Apple TV 4. I haven't looked at Hulu, but it looks 
pretty good.



Ben


On 6/27/2016 8:24, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi All,

I think the death of cable as we known it all these years has definitely 
started. But its going to be a long, agonizing death. lol. Netflix, Amazon, 
Hulu, and possibly Apple in the very near future will be speeding up this death 
though. I’m going to go ahead and add HBO to that mix as well, now that it is 
possible to purchase a stand alone subscription to their network. Its all about 
that original content, and how we all consume media/entertainment/news now. 
Just 10 years ago, we basically sat around, and waited for network execs, 
newspaper editors, and program directors at radio stations to tell us what was 
news worthy, a great TV show, and the next hot song for the summer. Terrestrial 
radio? Totally irrelevant. They basically just play what is getting the most 
hits on youtube, and look at what is topping the iTunes charts to create their 
playlists. They don’t discover/break new music anymore. Newspapers? Dead as 
dead can be. With twitter, facebook, blogs, and google to hold that all 
together, they are pretty much relegated as social media aggregators. I think 
this is a very good thing. Too few telling us a narrow version of world and 
current events was never a great thing.

Cable is just the last domino to fall. And all though it started with TV, look for 
broadband to be the real tipping factor. You mentioned you keeping your broadband 
cable connection because its the best around.  Now, in 3 to 5 years when 5G is a 
reality for most of us in the U.S. and Europe, and VZ, T-mobile, or At&T start 
offering $30 a month wireless broadband packages for the home, with real world 
speeds approaching 100mb down/up? Oh man! In Big cities Like NYC Detroit, Dallas, 
this won’t have a huge impact. But for those who live in rural, out of the way 
places? Where fiber ends 2 miles out side your town, and your using DSL in 2016, 
and paying $50 a month for the dubious privilege? Cable is in trouble. People are 
going to start doing the math and saying, wait. So I can get a little box, plug it 
in to my outlet, and get fast internet? No person drilling holes in my walls, and 
staying on hold waiting for an excuse about a downed line 25 miles away affecting 
my service? And for less too? Sign me up. And, When I go to the in-laws, I can just 
bring my little box with me? Like my Apple TV, or chrome cast?

I think the cable people just lack the foresight. Being the King of the hill 
for 30 years will do that though.

On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hey Scott,

I felt exactly like you do.  My husband had been wanting to cut the chord for a 
long time, and I was the one dragging my feet.  But now that we've done it, I 
don't miss it much at all.  There are some shows I miss like Diners and Dives 
and Restaurant Impossible, but that's about it.  And we've discovered new shows 
that we like that we probably would never have discovered if we'd just been 
able to put the Food Network on and let it run all night. :)

It is different, though.  If you want to watch TV, you can't just pick up the remote and 
surf around.  Now, we decide what we want to watch and then access it.  You can surf on 
Netflix, and probably other sources like Hulu as well, but you surf through lists of 
shows, not channels.  It's funny, my husband will occasionally still ask, "What's on 
TV tonight?" and I have to remind him, it's whatever we decide to put on. :)  
Neither my husband nor I ever got our news from television, so that wasn't an issue for 
us.

Our cost savings is probably around $80 per month, and we had a basic cable 
package.  Our internet is still cable, and they offer the best service in our 
area, so it's likely to stay that way for a while.  I know other people who 
save less, because they took the same money they were spending on cable, and 
just put it into subscriptions, Hulu, etc.  Whichever way you go, I have to say 
that not only is it nice to be saving that money, it's also just nice not to be 
paying for all that really bad TV--in my opinion, most of what your cable gets 
you is a load of .

So, I'm glad we did it.  My suggestion would be to keep track of what shows you 
get from cable that you actually value.  Then figure out whether those same 
shows are available through another mechanism--don't rule out purchasing them 
if you really like them.  I'm a huge Big Bang Theory fan for example.  That 
isn't available on Netflix, so I just purchased my favorite seasons on iTunes.  
My guess is that you won't have too much that you get from your cable company 
that you couldn't get more

Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?

[E.T.]

   Duxbury has promised an OS X version for 2-3 years. I have no idea 
if there has been any progress at all. If you ask them, they will 
probably repeat what I was told, We are working on it.


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On 6/27/2016 3:02 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

The problem, as far as I know, isn’t with support for braille displays.  From 
what I have heard that is indeed good.  I don’t have one.  The issue is that 
there is no full-featured brail publishing program such as Duxbury for the Mac. 
 For even casual brail translation, if you want other people to see it, there 
does not appear to be a good option.  I could not get Louis to work and from 
what I am reading it would not really be sufficient for any kind of serious 
braille translation/transcription work.  I would love to know about it if I’m 
wrong.


On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  wrote:

Scott and all,


if you don't mind my asking, how is Braille the weak point of OSX? I'll have to 
vehemently disagree with you hereon, and here's why.


I have an older Focus 40 USB Braille display, and I took it down to North 
Carolina when I visited Chris Gilland a few years ago. He was thinking about 
acquiring a Macintosh computer himself, so he wanted to see how Braille works 
on OSX with Voiceover.


I had been in Windows since Christmas of 1997, when I received a computer from 
my family. It was running Jaws 3.0, and I was using a hardware Doubletalk PC. 
Yeah, that was back in em air days, Sunny? LOL!


I had become accustomed to plugging in the display, not getting much screen 
reader feedback save for the fact that Windows sees the display. if it's the 
first time, then of course Windows tries to pull the drivers et alia. Then, I'd 
have to locate the Braille settings to the screen reader and tell it to use the 
display. Then and only then, I'm live. Not with OSX that is, says Yoda.


We plugged that mother into Chris's macBook. It had never seen this display a 
day in its freaking life. I heard the little da-boong sound that Voiceover 
makes when a Braille display is plugged in, and I was in! it was trippy. 
Literally instantaneously, we were using Braille on OSX. I was floored! Then 
when I heard that OSX Lion would bring the genie out of the bottle in terms of 
languages, I was raring to go, and so was my Mid 2010 white stock polycarbon 
MacBook! NVDA is amazing with Braille. Jaws has a ways yet to go, and I don't 
know about Satogo or Window-Eyes. OSX takes the cake hands down in terms of 
Braille support.


Ben


On 6/27/2016 12:27, Scott Granados wrote:

Just to add to your comments, Braille is by far the weak point in my mind.  
Braille on OSX is bad or at least with  my Focus 40.  That’s a definite 
weakness you point out that I can attest to from personal experience.


On 6/27/16, 2:50 PM, "Larry Thacker Jr."  wrote:

It was Windows 10 that did it for me.  I got tired of the inconsistency and the 
issues with accessibility.  I’ve been reading and listening to podcasts about 
the Mac for years, so in March I bought my first Mac.  It’s a Mini, with 
processor and RAM upgraded sufficiently that I feel comfortable running Windows 
from within if I find it necessary.  I may in fact find it necessary for one 
primary reason.  There really isn’t a good Braille production program for Mac, 
and I need one.  Over all, I have been much happier with the Mac.  It took a 
bit of adjustment and I still get tripped up occasionally by the differences.  
I don’t know if I’ll ever be totally comfortable with the way editing works, 
especially since I have to use Windows at work so I can never truly escape.  If 
I had to answer the question in a word, it would be stability.  My Mac doesn’t 
crash, doesn’t suddenly slow to a crawl for no reason, is totally booted and 
with everything I was working on last I used it before the windows machine has 
even presented a login screen, and integrates marvelously with my iPhone.  
Every time I boot the Windows machine, which is slowly becoming more and more 
unusable, I wish I could toss it out the window.!  I am hoping that with Mac 
usage on the rise, we won’t be left out in the cold with braille publication 
forever.  That will be the day I find an interesting and satisfying way to 
dispose of the big black box on the floor of my office.

Not that the Mac is perfect.  I’m replying to this reply because I tried to 
delete some of the messages in this thread and leave others.  I went up too far 
and got the conversation group.  Everything went away and undo didn’t.  I can’t 
even find the messages in the trash.


On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the Windows 
world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is built in to 
the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac mini, you can use 
the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad co

Re: Getting rid of cable (was Netflix)

[Ricardo Walker]

Haha,

Sorry for straying so far off topic. Another company that has gone with a stand 
alone subscription model is CBS. They also have an app available for the 4th 
gen Apple TV. Look for other networks to follow this lead. 
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> Being that this is Mac Visionaries, I'll throw it back to Apple. Ricardo, you 
> mentioned HBO. I have HBO Now, and I just got Amazon Prime again. I don't 
> know how extensive HBO Now is, because my parents subscribe to HBO via our 
> cable provider, but the HBO Now app works wonderfully on the Apple TV 4. I 
> haven't looked at Hulu, but it looks pretty good.
> 
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 6/27/2016 8:24, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I think the death of cable as we known it all these years has definitely 
>> started. But its going to be a long, agonizing death. lol. Netflix, Amazon, 
>> Hulu, and possibly Apple in the very near future will be speeding up this 
>> death though. I’m going to go ahead and add HBO to that mix as well, now 
>> that it is possible to purchase a stand alone subscription to their network. 
>> Its all about that original content, and how we all consume 
>> media/entertainment/news now. Just 10 years ago, we basically sat around, 
>> and waited for network execs, newspaper editors, and program directors at 
>> radio stations to tell us what was news worthy, a great TV show, and the 
>> next hot song for the summer. Terrestrial radio? Totally irrelevant. They 
>> basically just play what is getting the most hits on youtube, and look at 
>> what is topping the iTunes charts to create their playlists. They don’t 
>> discover/break new music anymore. Newspapers? Dead as dead can be. With 
>> twitter, facebook, blogs, and google to hold that all together, they are 
>> pretty much relegated as social media aggregators. I think this is a very 
>> good thing. Too few telling us a narrow version of world and current events 
>> was never a great thing.
>> 
>> Cable is just the last domino to fall. And all though it started with TV, 
>> look for broadband to be the real tipping factor. You mentioned you keeping 
>> your broadband cable connection because its the best around.  Now, in 3 to 5 
>> years when 5G is a reality for most of us in the U.S. and Europe, and VZ, 
>> T-mobile, or At&T start offering $30 a month wireless broadband packages for 
>> the home, with real world speeds approaching 100mb down/up? Oh man! In Big 
>> cities Like NYC Detroit, Dallas, this won’t have a huge impact. But for 
>> those who live in rural, out of the way places? Where fiber ends 2 miles out 
>> side your town, and your using DSL in 2016, and paying $50 a month for the 
>> dubious privilege? Cable is in trouble. People are going to start doing the 
>> math and saying, wait. So I can get a little box, plug it in to my outlet, 
>> and get fast internet? No person drilling holes in my walls, and staying on 
>> hold waiting for an excuse about a downed line 25 miles away affecting my 
>> service? And for less too? Sign me up. And, When I go to the in-laws, I can 
>> just bring my little box with me? Like my Apple TV, or chrome cast?
>> 
>> I think the cable people just lack the foresight. Being the King of the hill 
>> for 30 years will do that though.
>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>> 
>>> I felt exactly like you do.  My husband had been wanting to cut the chord 
>>> for a long time, and I was the one dragging my feet.  But now that we've 
>>> done it, I don't miss it much at all.  There are some shows I miss like 
>>> Diners and Dives and Restaurant Impossible, but that's about it.  And we've 
>>> discovered new shows that we like that we probably would never have 
>>> discovered if we'd just been able to put the Food Network on and let it run 
>>> all night. :)
>>> 
>>> It is different, though.  If you want to watch TV, you can't just pick up 
>>> the remote and surf around.  Now, we decide what we want to watch and then 
>>> access it.  You can surf on Netflix, and probably other sources like Hulu 
>>> as well, but you surf through lists of shows, not channels.  It's funny, my 
>>> husband will occasionally still ask, "What's on TV tonight?" and I have to 
>>> remind him, it's whatever we decide to put on. :)  Neither my husband nor I 
>>> ever got our news from television, so that wasn't an issue for us.
>>> 
>>> Our cost savings is probably around $80 per month, and we had a basic cable 
>>> package.  Our internet is still cable, and they offer the best service in 
>>> our area, so it's likely to stay that way for a while.  I know other people 
>>> who save less, because they took the same money they were spending on 
>>> cable, and just put it into subscriptions, Hulu, etc.  Whichever way you 
>>> go, I have to say that not only is it nice to be saving that money, it's 
>>> also just nice not to be paying for all that really bad TV--in my opinion, 
>>> most of what your 

Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys,

In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things like 
Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:

With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I can 
get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find there nor 
anywhere else.

I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple TV all 
the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my cable TV unless 
I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally watch through my 
Apple TV.

I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible at this 
point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their IPad/IPhone 
app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I called them, and they 
absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more accessible.  Plus, 
they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which went in effect this 
month where all cable providers, if I understand correctly, *MUST!* have 
talking digital boxes, like comcast does.

Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which I 
really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it would take 
to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would rather just get 
them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, neither Netflix nor 
Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use multiple 
app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of these with 
absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.

  a.. Dr. Phil
  b.. Forensic Files
  c.. Cops
  d.. Trauma, life in the E.R
  e.. The Critical Hour
  f.. Parametics
  g.. Untold Stories of the E.R
  h.. Sex Sent me to the E.R
  i.. Mystory Diagnosis
  j.. Dr. G, Medical Examiner
  k.. Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
  l.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
  m.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.

That pretty much would do it.

Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of these 
titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a way to get my 
Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die hard fanatic.  So much 
so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, you're darn straight I'm 
gonna try to go be in the audiance.  Darn straight!  I'd kill! to have that 
experience!

Anyway, any suggestions?  Especially with that show?

Chris.

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RE: Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

[BBS]

Hi Ramy. I'm one of those people that Scott is talking about that offers 
training on how to use your Mac. My contact info is below if you want my 
services. I can either be paid for it or I can teach you for free, it's up to 
you. Either way, I guaranty you won't be disappointed. I can also do the 
training through Skype or Facetime, whatever you're comfortable with. Hope to 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

Hi Ramy, congratulations on completing your masters.


Tim has already given you the answer to your windowing question and I wanted to 
point you at some good resources to answer the rest of your questions.

First, you made a good move joining this list.  There’s a lot of great talented 
users on this list.
Next I’d like to suggest the Mac for the Blind option.  I believe the site has 
tutorials and John P the lead on that site I believe also teaches apple skills 
so you may wish to head in that direction.
Next, AppleVis is a great resource.  Lots of good articles, podcasts 
and resources.  Would suggest highly that site.

I believe others like Chris Gilland on list and others also provide training so 
maybe they will pipe up.
Ann Robinson (I hope I got her name right) on list has some good 
publications, one I know of conserning pages so that’s another resource.
On Blind Cool Tech Mike Erigo who is also on this list at one point had 
some great introductory podcasts on voiceover as well as VM Fusion.

Hope that gets you started.
 

On 6/27/16, 11:08 AM, "Ramy Moustafa"  wrote:

Hello all:
after finishing my master, i decided to use my mac in all my life.
so, i'm some times facing issues that i need your help:
1- if i need to open more than 1 window to move bitween or copy
somethings, Command accent   doesn't move me bitween windows, i can
use the command tap, it can move me bitween windows but not the windows that is 
in 1 finder.
what i mean is that if i need to copy somethign  from my flash drive to my HD, 
i must close the flash drive and open my hd to copy, can't i open teh 2  
windows in the same time?
2- o copy something and i went to my hd, it was mac formatted, but i can't 
paste, control V can not paste in the flder that i need to paste in.
can you give me solutions please?
and if you can suggest me a helpful tutorial but quick that can teach me how to 
use mach with voice over?

Thanks


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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm 
waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. 
How much are these content providers charging sans the middleman of 
cable and satellite companies?



Ben


On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys,
In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with 
things like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:
With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which 
I can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find 
there nor anywhere else.
I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go 
Apple TV all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't 
cancel my cable TV unless I know that there are ways I can get these 
shows I normally watch through my Apple TV.
I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible 
at this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and 
their IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the 
language.  I called them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do 
anything to make it more accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing 
to adhere to the new law which went in effect this month where all 
cable providers, if I understand correctly, *MUST!* have talking 
digital boxes, like comcast does.
Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, 
which I really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the 
money it would take to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever 
else.  I would rather just get them through a subscription.  BTW, as 
far as I can tell, neither Netflix nor Hulu have all of these shows.  
I'd be willing to use multiple app/subscriptions, but I just need the 
assurance I could get all of these with absolutely no exception.  
Right now, I just record them in DVR, but accessibility wise, even 
that's! somewhat problematic.


  * Dr. Phil
  * Forensic Files
  * Cops
  * Trauma, life in the E.R
  * The Critical Hour
  * Parametics
  * Untold Stories of the E.R
  * Sex Sent me to the E.R
  * Mystory Diagnosis
  * Dr. G, Medical Examiner
  * Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
  * Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
  * Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.

That pretty much would do it.
Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of 
these titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find 
a way to get my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold 
die hard fanatic.  So much so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A 
area, you're darn straight I'm gonna try to go be in the audiance.  
Darn straight!  I'd kill! to have that experience!

Anyway, any suggestions? Especially with that show?
Chris.
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christine Olivares]

Forensic Files is on Hulu. I saw it yesterday!
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm waiting 
> for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How much are 
> these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and satellite 
> companies?
> 
> 
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Guys,
>>  
>> In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things 
>> like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:
>>  
>> With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I can 
>> get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find there nor 
>> anywhere else.
>>  
>> I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple TV 
>> all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my cable TV 
>> unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally watch 
>> through my Apple TV.
>>  
>> I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible at 
>> this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their 
>> IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I called 
>> them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more 
>> accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which 
>> went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I understand 
>> correctly, *MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast does.
>>  
>> Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which I 
>> really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it would 
>> take to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would rather 
>> just get them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, neither 
>> Netflix nor Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use multiple 
>> app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of these 
>> with absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
>> accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.
>>  
>> Dr. Phil
>> Forensic Files
>> Cops
>> Trauma, life in the E.R
>> The Critical Hour
>> Parametics
>> Untold Stories of the E.R
>> Sex Sent me to the E.R
>> Mystory Diagnosis
>> Dr. G, Medical Examiner
>> Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
>> Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
>> Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.
>>  
>> That pretty much would do it.
>>  
>> Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of these 
>> titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a way to get 
>> my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die hard fanatic.  
>> So much so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, you're darn 
>> straight I'm gonna try to go be in the audiance.  Darn straight!  I'd kill! 
>> to have that experience!
>>  
>> Anyway, any suggestions?  Especially with that show?
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Joshua Tubbs]

I think that Dr. Phil is literally the only show that requires cable. I do not 
think it is in the CBS app.
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm waiting 
> for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How much are 
> these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and satellite 
> companies?
> 
> 
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Guys,
>>  
>> In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things 
>> like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:
>>  
>> With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I can 
>> get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find there nor 
>> anywhere else.
>>  
>> I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple TV 
>> all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my cable TV 
>> unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally watch 
>> through my Apple TV.
>>  
>> I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible at 
>> this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their 
>> IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I called 
>> them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more 
>> accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which 
>> went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I understand 
>> correctly, *MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast does.
>>  
>> Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which I 
>> really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it would 
>> take to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would rather 
>> just get them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, neither 
>> Netflix nor Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use multiple 
>> app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of these 
>> with absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
>> accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.
>>  
>> Dr. Phil
>> Forensic Files
>> Cops
>> Trauma, life in the E.R
>> The Critical Hour
>> Parametics
>> Untold Stories of the E.R
>> Sex Sent me to the E.R
>> Mystory Diagnosis
>> Dr. G, Medical Examiner
>> Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
>> Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
>> Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.
>>  
>> That pretty much would do it.
>>  
>> Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of these 
>> titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a way to get 
>> my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die hard fanatic.  
>> So much so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, you're darn 
>> straight I'm gonna try to go be in the audiance.  Darn straight!  I'd kill! 
>> to have that experience!
>>  
>> Anyway, any suggestions?  Especially with that show?
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, but what of those shows would CNN Go give me, Ben?
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  From: Ben J. Bloomgren 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm waiting 
for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How much are 
these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and satellite 
companies?





  Ben




  On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys,

In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things 
like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:

With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I 
can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find there nor 
anywhere else.

I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple TV 
all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my cable TV 
unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally watch 
through my Apple TV.

I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible at 
this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their 
IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I called 
them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more 
accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which 
went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I understand correctly, 
*MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast does.

Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which I 
really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it would take 
to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would rather just get 
them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, neither Netflix nor 
Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use multiple 
app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of these with 
absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.

  a.. Dr. Phil 
  b.. Forensic Files 
  c.. Cops 
  d.. Trauma, life in the E.R 
  e.. The Critical Hour 
  f.. Parametics 
  g.. Untold Stories of the E.R 
  h.. Sex Sent me to the E.R 
  i.. Mystory Diagnosis 
  j.. Dr. G, Medical Examiner 
  k.. Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House 
  l.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters 
  m.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1. 

That pretty much would do it.

Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of these 
titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a way to get my 
Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die hard fanatic.  So much 
so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, you're darn straight I'm 
gonna try to go be in the audiance.  Darn straight!  I'd kill! to have that 
experience!

Anyway, any suggestions?  Especially with that show?

Chris.
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Is it?  OK, then, there's one thing I can cross off.  I probably have to have 
the paid account though to get it, wouldn't I?
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Christine Olivares 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  Forensic Files is on Hulu. I saw it yesterday!
On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
wrote:


There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm 
waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How much 
are these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and satellite 
companies?





Ben




On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  Guys,

  In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things 
like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:

  With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I 
can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find there nor 
anywhere else.

  I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple 
TV all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my cable TV 
unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally watch 
through my Apple TV.

  I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible at 
this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their 
IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I called 
them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more 
accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which 
went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I understand correctly, 
*MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast does.

  Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which I 
really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it would take 
to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would rather just get 
them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, neither Netflix nor 
Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use multiple 
app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of these with 
absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.

a.. Dr. Phil
b.. Forensic Files
c.. Cops
d.. Trauma, life in the E.R
e.. The Critical Hour
f.. Parametics
g.. Untold Stories of the E.R
h.. Sex Sent me to the E.R
i.. Mystory Diagnosis
j.. Dr. G, Medical Examiner
k.. Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
l.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
m.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.

  That pretty much would do it.

  Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of 
these titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a way to 
get my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die hard fanatic.  
So much so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, you're darn straight 
I'm gonna try to go be in the audiance.  Darn straight!  I'd kill! to have that 
experience!

  Anyway, any suggestions?  Especially with that show?

  Chris.
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Joshua Tubbs]

Okay, going to try that again because I was editing dictation and it messed up 
that message.
Dr. Phil I don’t think is on-demand anywhere. Forensic Files is all on Netflix 
so you can binge it.
They’re still making new episodes of Cops?

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm waiting 
> for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How much are 
> these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and satellite 
> companies?
> 
> 
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Guys,
>>  
>> In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things 
>> like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:
>>  
>> With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I can 
>> get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find there nor 
>> anywhere else.
>>  
>> I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple TV 
>> all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my cable TV 
>> unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally watch 
>> through my Apple TV.
>>  
>> I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible at 
>> this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their 
>> IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I called 
>> them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more 
>> accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which 
>> went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I understand 
>> correctly, *MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast does.
>>  
>> Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which I 
>> really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it would 
>> take to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would rather 
>> just get them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, neither 
>> Netflix nor Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use multiple 
>> app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of these 
>> with absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
>> accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.
>>  
>> Dr. Phil
>> Forensic Files
>> Cops
>> Trauma, life in the E.R
>> The Critical Hour
>> Parametics
>> Untold Stories of the E.R
>> Sex Sent me to the E.R
>> Mystory Diagnosis
>> Dr. G, Medical Examiner
>> Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
>> Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
>> Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.
>>  
>> That pretty much would do it.
>>  
>> Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of these 
>> titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a way to get 
>> my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die hard fanatic.  
>> So much so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, you're darn 
>> straight I'm gonna try to go be in the audiance.  Darn straight!  I'd kill! 
>> to have that experience!
>>  
>> Anyway, any suggestions?  Especially with that show?
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No, it's not in the CBS app.  Trust me.  I looked.  Yeah, I could go to:

http://www.drphil.com

and order the DVD's of my favorite shows, then when I get them, I could rip 
them, then import them, but God, what a pain!  Not to mention, that would mean 
I'd have to pay for every single show, then plus, I'd have DVD's lying all over 
the place.

As much as I love his show, this would not be economical.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Joshua Tubbs 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:21 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  I think that Dr. Phil is literally the only show that requires cable. I do 
not think it is in the CBS app.
On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
wrote:


There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm 
waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How much 
are these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and satellite 
companies?





Ben




On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  Guys,

  In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things 
like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:

  With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I 
can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find there nor 
anywhere else.

  I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple 
TV all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my cable TV 
unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally watch 
through my Apple TV.

  I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible at 
this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their 
IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I called 
them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more 
accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which 
went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I understand correctly, 
*MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast does.

  Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which I 
really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it would take 
to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would rather just get 
them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, neither Netflix nor 
Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use multiple 
app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of these with 
absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.

a.. Dr. Phil
b.. Forensic Files
c.. Cops
d.. Trauma, life in the E.R
e.. The Critical Hour
f.. Parametics
g.. Untold Stories of the E.R
h.. Sex Sent me to the E.R
i.. Mystory Diagnosis
j.. Dr. G, Medical Examiner
k.. Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
l.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
m.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.

  That pretty much would do it.

  Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of 
these titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a way to 
get my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die hard fanatic.  
So much so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, you're darn straight 
I'm gonna try to go be in the audiance.  Darn straight!  I'd kill! to have that 
experience!

  Anyway, any suggestions?  Especially with that show?

  Chris.
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christine Olivares]

Hulu is not free, but it is very cheep. It costs $11.99 for no commercials.
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Is it?  OK, then, there's one thing I can cross off.  I probably have to have 
> the paid account though to get it, wouldn't I?
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> JAWS Certified, 2016.
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>  
> clgillan...@gmail.com 
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Christine Olivares 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
>> 
>> Forensic Files is on Hulu. I saw it yesterday!
>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm 
>>> waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How 
>>> much are these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and 
>>> satellite companies?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Guys,
  
 In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things 
 like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:
  
 With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I 
 can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find there 
 nor anywhere else.
  
 I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple TV 
 all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my cable 
 TV unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally 
 watch through my Apple TV.
  
 I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible at 
 this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their 
 IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I 
 called them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it 
 more accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law 
 which went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I understand 
 correctly, *MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast does.
  
 Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which I 
 really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it would 
 take to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would 
 rather just get them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, 
 neither Netflix nor Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use 
 multiple app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all 
 of these with absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in 
 DVR, but accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.
  
 Dr. Phil
 Forensic Files
 Cops
 Trauma, life in the E.R
 The Critical Hour
 Parametics
 Untold Stories of the E.R
 Sex Sent me to the E.R
 Mystory Diagnosis
 Dr. G, Medical Examiner
 Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
 Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
 Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.
  
 That pretty much would do it.
  
 Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of 
 these titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a 
 way to get my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die 
 hard fanatic.  So much so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, 
 you're darn straight I'm gonna try to go be in the audiance.  Darn 
 straight!  I'd kill! to have that experience!
  
 Anyway, any suggestions?  Especially with that show?
  
 Chris.
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh God yeah!  Cops in is in like, season 25 or 6 now.  I'd have to look it up.

Yeah, about Netflix with Forensic Files, but the last time I looked, their 
streaming service only had a few seasons.  They definitely didn't have anywhere 
near all of it, and the little I remember that they did! have, I've already 
seen billions of times.

Here's another one for ya:

Anyone know where I can get all 3 or 4, whatever it was, I wanna say 4, seasons 
of The Principal's Office?
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joshua Tubbs 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:23 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  Okay, going to try that again because I was editing dictation and it messed 
up that message.
  Dr. Phil I don’t think is on-demand anywhere. Forensic Files is all on 
Netflix so you can binge it.
  They’re still making new episodes of Cops?


On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
wrote:


There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm 
waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How much 
are these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and satellite 
companies?





Ben




On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  Guys,

  In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things 
like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:

  With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I 
can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find there nor 
anywhere else.

  I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple 
TV all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my cable TV 
unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally watch 
through my Apple TV.

  I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible at 
this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their 
IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I called 
them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more 
accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which 
went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I understand correctly, 
*MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast does.

  Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which I 
really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it would take 
to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would rather just get 
them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, neither Netflix nor 
Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use multiple 
app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of these with 
absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.

a.. Dr. Phil
b.. Forensic Files
c.. Cops
d.. Trauma, life in the E.R
e.. The Critical Hour
f.. Parametics
g.. Untold Stories of the E.R
h.. Sex Sent me to the E.R
i.. Mystory Diagnosis
j.. Dr. G, Medical Examiner
k.. Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
l.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
m.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.

  That pretty much would do it.

  Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of 
these titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a way to 
get my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die hard fanatic.  
So much so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, you're darn straight 
I'm gonna try to go be in the audiance.  Darn straight!  I'd kill! to have that 
experience!

  Anyway, any suggestions?  Especially with that show?

  Chris.
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually, I hear there is a free plan.  Granted, there are commercials, which 
stinks, but I'd be willing to tollerate it.  Right now though, I'm so broke in 
debt, I probably won't be out of it for at least the rest of the summer.  This 
is why I asked if the free plan with commercials also had the show, or any 
others I mentioned?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christine Olivares 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:26 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  Hulu is not free, but it is very cheep. It costs $11.99 for no commercials.

On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Is it?  OK, then, there's one thing I can cross off.  I probably have to 
have the paid account though to get it, wouldn't I?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christine Olivares
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  Forensic Files is on Hulu. I saw it yesterday!
On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren 
 wrote:


There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm 
waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How much 
are these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and satellite 
companies?





Ben




On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  Guys,

  In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with 
things like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:

  With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of 
which I can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find 
there nor anywhere else.

  I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go 
Apple TV all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my 
cable TV unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally 
watch through my Apple TV.

  I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very 
accessible at this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and 
their IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I 
called them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more 
accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which 
went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I understand correctly, 
*MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast does.

  Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, 
which I really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it 
would take to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would 
rather just get them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, 
neither Netflix nor Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use 
multiple app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of 
these with absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.

a.. Dr. Phil
b.. Forensic Files
c.. Cops
d.. Trauma, life in the E.R
e.. The Critical Hour
f.. Parametics
g.. Untold Stories of the E.R
h.. Sex Sent me to the E.R
i.. Mystory Diagnosis
j.. Dr. G, Medical Examiner
k.. Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
l.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
m.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.

  That pretty much would do it.

  Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of 
these titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a way to 
get my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die hard fanatic.  
So much so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, you're darn straight 
I'm gonna try to go be in the audiance.  Darn straight!  I'd kill! to have that 
experience!

  Anyway, any suggestions?  Especially with that show?

  Chris.
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christine Olivares]

Not sure about that…sorry. We are on the free trial and it is there, but we 
chose the no commercial option.
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually, I hear there is a free plan.  Granted, there are commercials, which 
> stinks, but I'd be willing to tollerate it.  Right now though, I'm so broke 
> in debt, I probably won't be out of it for at least the rest of the summer.  
> This is why I asked if the free plan with commercials also had the show, or 
> any others I mentioned?
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
> clgillan...@gmail.com 
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Christine Olivares 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
>> 
>> Hulu is not free, but it is very cheep. It costs $11.99 for no commercials.
>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is it?  OK, then, there's one thing I can cross off.  I probably have to 
>>> have the paid account though to get it, wouldn't I?
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>>  
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Christine Olivares 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:19 PM
 Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
 
 Forensic Files is on Hulu. I saw it yesterday!
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  > wrote:
> 
> There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm 
> waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How 
> much are these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and 
> satellite companies?
> 
> 
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Guys,
>>  
>> In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things 
>> like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:
>>  
>> With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I 
>> can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find 
>> there nor anywhere else.
>>  
>> I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple 
>> TV all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my 
>> cable TV unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I 
>> normally watch through my Apple TV.
>>  
>> I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible 
>> at this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their 
>> IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I 
>> called them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it 
>> more accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new 
>> law which went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I 
>> understand correctly, *MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast 
>> does.
>>  
>> Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which 
>> I really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it 
>> would take to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I 
>> would rather just get them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can 
>> tell, neither Netflix nor Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing 
>> to use multiple app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could 
>> get all of these with absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record 
>> them in DVR, but accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.
>>  
>> Dr. Phil
>> Forensic Files
>> Cops
>> Trauma, life in the E.R
>> The Critical Hour
>> Parametics
>> Untold Stories of the E.R
>> Sex Sent me to the E.R
>> Mystory Diagnosis
>> Dr. G, Medical Examiner
>> Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
>> Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
>> Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.
>>  
>> That pretty much would do it.
>>  
>> Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for any of 
>> these titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a 
>> way to get my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  I'm a sold die 
>> hard fanatic.  So much so, if i ever get a chance to be in the L.A area, 
>> you're darn straight

Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, how long is the free trial?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christine Olivares 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  Not sure about that…sorry. We are on the free trial and it is there, but we 
chose the no commercial option.
On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Actually, I hear there is a free plan.  Granted, there are commercials, 
which stinks, but I'd be willing to tollerate it.  Right now though, I'm so 
broke in debt, I probably won't be out of it for at least the rest of the 
summer.  This is why I asked if the free plan with commercials also had the 
show, or any others I mentioned?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christine Olivares
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:26 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  Hulu is not free, but it is very cheep. It costs $11.99 for no 
commercials.

On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Is it?  OK, then, there's one thing I can cross off.  I probably have 
to have the paid account though to get it, wouldn't I?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christine Olivares
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  Forensic Files is on Hulu. I saw it yesterday!
On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren 
 wrote:


There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and 
I'm waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How 
much are these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and 
satellite companies?





Ben




On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  Guys,

  In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with 
things like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:

  With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of 
which I can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find 
there nor anywhere else.

  I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go 
Apple TV all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my 
cable TV unless I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally 
watch through my Apple TV.

  I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very 
accessible at this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and 
their IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I 
called them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more 
accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which 
went in effect this month where all cable providers, if I understand correctly, 
*MUST!* have talking digital boxes, like comcast does.

  Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, 
which I really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it 
would take to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would 
rather just get them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, 
neither Netflix nor Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use 
multiple app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of 
these with absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.

a.. Dr. Phil
b.. Forensic Files
c.. Cops
d.. Trauma, life in the E.R
e.. The Critical Hour
f.. Parametics
g.. Untold Stories of the E.R
h.. Sex Sent me to the E.R
i.. Mystory Diagnosis
j.. Dr. G, Medical Examiner
k.. Not required, but  preferably, reruns of Full House
l.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Family Matters
m.. Not required, but preferably reruns of Rescue 9 1 1.

  That pretty much would do it.

  Again, the absolute main one if you don't suggest anything for 
any of these titles, at the very very very least, please try helping me find a 
way to get my Dr. Phil.  I can't be without that show!  

Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Seven days. But if you’re saving money with cable, then perhaps you can afford 
the nominal fee?

Brandon
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, how long is the free trial?
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
> clgillan...@gmail.com 
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Christine Olivares 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
>> 
>> Not sure about that…sorry. We are on the free trial and it is there, but we 
>> chose the no commercial option.
>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, I hear there is a free plan.  Granted, there are commercials, 
>>> which stinks, but I'd be willing to tollerate it.  Right now though, I'm so 
>>> broke in debt, I probably won't be out of it for at least the rest of the 
>>> summer.  This is why I asked if the free plan with commercials also had the 
>>> show, or any others I mentioned?
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>>  
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Christine Olivares 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
 
 Hulu is not free, but it is very cheep. It costs $11.99 for no commercials.
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Is it?  OK, then, there's one thing I can cross off.  I probably have to 
> have the paid account though to get it, wouldn't I?
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
> clgillan...@gmail.com 
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Christine Olivares 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
>> 
>> Forensic Files is on Hulu. I saw it yesterday!
>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren 
>>> mailto:ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com>>  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm 
>>> waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. 
>>> How much are these content providers charging sans the middleman of 
>>> cable and satellite companies?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Guys,
  
 In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with 
 things like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:
  
 With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which 
 I can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find 
 there nor anywhere else.
  
 I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go 
 Apple TV all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't 
 cancel my cable TV unless I know that there are ways I can get these 
 shows I normally watch through my Apple TV.
  
 I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible 
 at this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and 
 their IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the 
 language.  I called them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do 
 anything to make it more accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing 
 to adhere to the new law which went in effect this month where all 
 cable providers, if I understand correctly, *MUST!* have talking 
 digital boxes, like comcast does.
  
 Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, 
 which I really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the 
 money it would take to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever 
 else.  I would rather just get them through a subscription.  BTW, as 
 far as I can tell, neither Netflix nor Hulu have all of these shows.  
 I'd be willing to use multiple app/subscriptions, but I just need the 
 assurance I could get all of these with absolutely no exception.  
 Right now, I just record them in D

Re: Anyone know about Medicat?

[Nancy Badger]

Brett, good luck and I will be interested to hear what you find. We are using a 
similar software for counseling centers now called titanium. It is also not 
very accessible. I have to have accommodations.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Brett C.  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Nancy. I’ll be messing with it over the next month, I’ll definitely 
> take you up on your offer to most likely confirm my findings. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Brett
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>> 
>> Believe it or not I know about it. Our counseling center tried to use it for 
>> a couple of years. It was never accessible. They claimed that it was, but it 
>> was not. I tried to use it on a Windows computer. They said it would not 
>> work at all on Max. If I can answer any more specific questions feel free to 
>> ask.
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>> UT Chattanooga
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>> 
>>> On Jun 25, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Brett C.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m hoping someone has experience with the Medicat Client Portal. My new 
>>> employer uses it on their window machines. I’m hoping someone knows if it’s 
>>> available on Mac or iPad. A google search for this software brought up 
>>> nothing about platforms or accessibility. I’ll be shocked if anyone has 
>>> heard of this software, let alone uses it, just taking a shot.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Brett
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher Gilland]

Point taken, Brandon.

Good point. Shrubs.

I'm not even touching this one with the 10 foot pole.

Chris.




sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 20:39, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Seven days. But if you’re saving money with cable, then perhaps you can 
> afford the nominal fee?
> 
> Brandon
>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, how long is the free trial?
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>  
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Christine Olivares
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
>>> 
>>> Not sure about that…sorry. We are on the free trial and it is there, but we 
>>> chose the no commercial option.
 On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Actually, I hear there is a free plan.  Granted, there are commercials, 
 which stinks, but I'd be willing to tollerate it.  Right now though, I'm 
 so broke in debt, I probably won't be out of it for at least the rest of 
 the summer.  This is why I asked if the free plan with commercials also 
 had the show, or any others I mentioned?
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
  
 clgillan...@gmail.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - 
> From: Christine Olivares
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
> 
> Hulu is not free, but it is very cheep. It costs $11.99 for no 
> commercials.
>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is it?  OK, then, there's one thing I can cross off.  I probably have to 
>> have the paid account though to get it, wouldn't I?
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>  
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Christine Olivares
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
>>> 
>>> Forensic Files is on Hulu. I saw it yesterday!
 On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren 
  wrote:
 
 There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm 
 waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. 
 How much are these content providers charging sans the middleman of 
 cable and satellite companies?
 
 
 
 Ben
 
 
> On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Guys,
>  
> In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with 
> things like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:
>  
> With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of 
> which I can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem 
> to find there nor anywhere else.
>  
> I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go 
> Apple TV all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't 
> cancel my cable TV unless I know that there are ways I can get these 
> shows I normally watch through my Apple TV.
>  
> I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very 
> accessible at this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV 
> app, and their IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon 
> the language.  I called them, and they absolutely are refusing! to do 
> anything to make it more accessible.  Plus, they're flat out refusing 
> to adhere to the new law which went in effect this month where all 
> cable providers, if I understand correctly, *MUST!* have talking 
> digital boxes, like comcast does.
>  
> Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, 
> which I really need to be able toaccess.  I don't 
> usually have the money it would take to keep buying these shows on 
> ITunes or wherever else.  I would rather just get them through a 
> subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, neither Netflix nor Hulu 
> have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use multiple 
> app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of 
> these with absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in 
> DVR, but accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.
>  
> Dr. Phil
>>>

Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Brandon A. Olivares]

If it makes you feel any better, we ended up canceling our cable today. Even 
with the cost of Netflix and Hulu, we’ll save $80 every month. And, I’m loving 
it so far. :)

Brandon
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Point taken, Brandon.
> 
> Good point. Shrubs.
> 
> I'm not even touching this one with the 10 foot pole.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 20:39, Brandon A. Olivares  > wrote:
> 
>> Seven days. But if you’re saving money with cable, then perhaps you can 
>> afford the nominal fee?
>> 
>> Brandon
>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, how long is the free trial?
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>>  
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message -
 From: Christine Olivares 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:35 PM
 Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
 
 Not sure about that…sorry. We are on the free trial and it is there, but 
 we chose the no commercial option.
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Actually, I hear there is a free plan.  Granted, there are commercials, 
> which stinks, but I'd be willing to tollerate it.  Right now though, I'm 
> so broke in debt, I probably won't be out of it for at least the rest of 
> the summer.  This is why I asked if the free plan with commercials also 
> had the show, or any others I mentioned?
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
> clgillan...@gmail.com 
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Christine Olivares 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
>> 
>> Hulu is not free, but it is very cheep. It costs $11.99 for no 
>> commercials.
>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is it?  OK, then, there's one thing I can cross off.  I probably have 
>>> to have the paid account though to get it, wouldn't I?
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>>  
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Christine Olivares 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:19 PM
 Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.
 
 Forensic Files is on Hulu. I saw it yesterday!
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren 
> mailto:ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm 
> waiting for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. 
> How much are these content providers charging sans the middleman of 
> cable and satellite companies?
> 
> 
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Guys,
>>  
>> In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with 
>> things like Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:
>>  
>> With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of 
>> which I can get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem 
>> to find there nor anywhere else.
>>  
>> I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go 
>> Apple TV all the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't 
>> cancel my cable TV unless I know that there are ways I can get these 
>> shows I normally watch through my Apple TV.
>>  
>> I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very 
>> accessible at this point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV 
>> app, and their IPad/IPhone app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon 
>> the language.  I called them, and they absolutely are refusing! to 
>> do anything to make it more accessible.  Plus, they're flat out 
>> refusing to adhere to the new law which went in effect this month 

Re: MesaSQLite, Desert Sand Software

[Jonathan Cohn]

SQL is a language for retrieving information from a data base.

In order to retrieve the information you need to know a table to get it from.

So SQL queries look something like:
select * from MessageText ;
Select userName, messaeText from users , messages where users.id = 
messages.AuthorID 

The information after the from and before the where clause is a list of tables 
to get data from.
A table is very similar to a spreadsheet except that every column always has a 
name. 


Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 27 Jun 2016, at 13:30, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> This application was recommended to read the back up database of iPhone text 
> and iMessages.  Does anyone have experience with this.  I don’t know what I’m 
> doing.  I’ve never tried to read a database file, and I’m not getting very 
> far.
> 
> :) Any guidance is appreciated.
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> http://www.desertsandsoftware.com/?page_id=99 
>> 
> 
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Scott Granados]

God, cops, 25 seasons?  If I want to watch the police victimize people I could 
open my door! I try to filter out as much propaganda as possible not import it 
and boy that’s hard.

 

 

Chris I don’t mean to make a whacky suggestion here but what about an over the 
air antenna to pull in digital over the air content for free that you could 
store or watch in real time.  I forget what part of the world you’re in and if 
you have good access to over the air content but maybe that in combination with 
streaming services?  A lot of the shows you mention are easily available over 
the air.  Certainly only one at a time but you could build your collection 
slowly, say of Dr. Phil who you can’t find available online.  You’re also 
covered by fair use so you should be good.

 

Just an idea out of left field.

 

 

From:  on behalf of Christopher-Mark Gilland 

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Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 at 8:26 PM
To: 
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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Brent Harding]

Yes, not sure if HLN is available at all without cable, but they run a lot of 
Forensic Files on the weekends and at night.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 9:23 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  God, cops, 25 seasons?  If I want to watch the police victimize people I 
could open my door! I try to filter out as much propaganda as possible not 
import it and boy that’s hard.

   

   

  Chris I don’t mean to make a whacky suggestion here but what about an over 
the air antenna to pull in digital over the air content for free that you could 
store or watch in real time.  I forget what part of the world you’re in and if 
you have good access to over the air content but maybe that in combination with 
streaming services?  A lot of the shows you mention are easily available over 
the air.  Certainly only one at a time but you could build your collection 
slowly, say of Dr. Phil who you can’t find available online.  You’re also 
covered by fair use so you should be good.

   

  Just an idea out of left field.

   

   

  From:  on behalf of Christopher-Mark Gilland 

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  Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 at 8:26 PM
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  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

   


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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Scott Granados]

Donna got me thinking earlier as well and the money savings are very real.  I 
looked at my bill and it turns out I could save $2000 and bump up to gigabit.

 

How nice would that be to have gigabit right to the desktop!

 

 

From:  on behalf of "Brandon A. Olivares" 

Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 at 9:51 PM
To: “Mac Visionaries“ 
Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

 

If it makes you feel any better, we ended up canceling our cable today. Even 
with the cost of Netflix and Hulu, we’ll save $80 every month. And, I’m loving 
it so far. :)

 

Brandon

On Jun 27, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Christopher Gilland  wrote:

 

Point taken, Brandon.

Good point. Shrubs.

I'm not even touching this one with the 10 foot pole.

Chris.

 

sent from my iPad


On Jun 27, 2016, at 20:39, Brandon A. Olivares  wrote:

Seven days. But if you’re saving money with cable, then perhaps you can afford 
the nominal fee?

 

Brandon

On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

 

OK, how long is the free trial?

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- Original Message - 

From: Christine Olivares 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:35 PM

Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

 

Not sure about that…sorry. We are on the free trial and it is there, but we 
chose the no commercial option. 

On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

 

Actually, I hear there is a free plan.  Granted, there are commercials, which 
stinks, but I'd be willing to tollerate it.  Right now though, I'm so broke in 
debt, I probably won't be out of it for at least the rest of the summer.  This 
is why I asked if the free plan with commercials also had the show, or any 
others I mentioned?

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- Original Message - 

From: Christine Olivares

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:26 PM

Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

 

Hulu is not free, but it is very cheep. It costs $11.99 for no commercials.

On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

 

Is it?  OK, then, there's one thing I can cross off.  I probably have to have 
the paid account though to get it, wouldn't I?

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- Original Message - 

From: Christine Olivares

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:19 PM

Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

 

Forensic Files is on Hulu. I saw it yesterday! 

On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren  wrote:

 

There is an app for CNN Go. I just installed it onto my ATV4, and I'm waiting 
for it to activate. I think that that's the biggest buggaboo. How much are 
these content providers charging sans the middleman of cable and satellite 
companies?

 

Ben

 

On 6/27/2016 16:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys,

 

In light of us recently talking about becoming a cord cutter with things like 
Netflix, having an Apple TV 4, etc, I must ask:

 

With Time Warner, There are a few shows I like to watch, some of which I can 
get for a purchase through ITunes, and some I can't seem to find there nor 
anywhere else.

 

I would love to become a cord cutter, and so would my mom, and go Apple TV all 
the way exclusively.  The problem however is, I can't cancel my cable TV unless 
I know that there are ways I can get these shows I normally watch through my 
Apple TV.

 

I tried the Sling TV app on the Apple TV, but it's not very accessible at this 
point.  BTW, Time Warner doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their IPad/IPhone 
app is a worthless piece of shit! Pardon the language.  I called them, and they 
absolutely are refusing! to do anything to make it more accessible.  Plus, 
they're flat out refusing to adhere to the new law which went in effect this 
month where all cable providers, if I understand correctly, *MUST!* have 
talking digital boxes, like comcast does.

 

Here is a list of the shows, Dr. Phil being one of the main ones, which I 
really need to be able to access.  I don't usually have the money it would take 
to keep buying these shows on ITunes or wherever else.  I would rather just get 
them through a subscription.  BTW, as far as I can tell, neither Netflix nor 
Hulu have all of these shows.  I'd be willing to use multiple 
app/subscriptions, but I just need the assurance I could get all of these with 
absolutely no exception.  Right now, I just record them in DVR, but 
accessibility wise, even that's! somewhat problematic.

 
Dr. Phil 
Forensic Files 
Cops 
Trauma, life in the E.R 
The Critical Hour 
Parametics 
Untold Storie

Re: MesaSQLite, Desert Sand Software

[Scott Granados]

Oh you crazy software guys.

 

Always selecting and tabling and garbage collecting.

 

I don’t get all that layer 5 through 7 stuff.  Applications baffle me, as long 
as the packets show up and mostly in order my work here is done.;)

 

 

From:  on behalf of Jonathan Cohn 

Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 at 10:23 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: MesaSQLite, Desert Sand Software

 

SQL is a language for retrieving information from a data base.

 

In order to retrieve the information you need to know a table to get it from.

 

So SQL queries look something like:

select * from MessageText ;

Select userName, messaeText from users , messages where users.id = 
messages.AuthorID 

 

The information after the from and before the where clause is a list of tables 
to get data from.

A table is very similar to a spreadsheet except that every column always has a 
name. 

 

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan


 

On 27 Jun 2016, at 13:30, Traci Duncan  wrote:

 

This application was recommended to read the back up database of iPhone text 
and iMessages.  Does anyone have experience with this.  I don’t know what I’m 
doing.  I’ve never tried to read a database file, and I’m not getting very far.

 

:) Any guidance is appreciated.

 

Traci

 

 

http://www.desertsandsoftware.com/?page_id=99

 

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Web testing and development software.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

My new work Macintosh has arrived and now I  have been asked what software 
would be useful for my job. I am helping with Accessibility of computer based 
testing systems.  All my professional accessibility work has been using Windows 
screen readers with specialised scripts.

I am familiar with the availability of node.js tools for automated audits, but 
at this point, I can probably get any Macintosh software I deem useful for the 
job.

Please provide anything you use and why.

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I can't figure out Roger for iOS, really! could use your help!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

So, a friend of mine sent me an invite to try out Roger.

So, I got it installed, and boy am I thoroughly confused!  This interface, 
unless I'm not getting something, is a freaking mess!

1.  After telling it I want to talk to friends, I then was able to add my 
friend to the chat.  I accidentally added another friend though.  How in the 
world do I get a list of who all is added to the chat, and how do I delete 
people I've added?

2.  Let's say that I create another group then add totally different people to 
it?  How then do I flip flot between the different groups I've added?

3.  Let's say I either create, or join a group, and I no longer want to be a 
part of that group.  how do I leave the group, or if it's one I've created, how 
do I totally delete the group altogether?

4.  Why in God's name would this app be better than Zello?  On Zello, you have 
groups.  They're called channels, and yes, if you create the channel, you have 
full moderator priveledges, and can even assign other users as mods, or as full 
on admins.  Plus, the UI of Zello is way less confusing, and way more user 
friendly.  Plus, selecting contacts to chat with, accepting their add requests, 
sending add requests, etc. is far far easier.

In conclusion, I know lots of people are now on Roger, even those in the blind 
community, but really guys, what is so great about Roger?  I'm not doubting 
it's an OK app to use, but I just don't understand the hyfe of why so many 
insist on using it over using Zello.  Zello is cross platformed, so you can use 
it on iOS, or, if you need to talk to someone using Android, no big deal, and 
though I won't say much on this note due to it being off topic, I will at least 
say it works beautifully! and I do mean, beautifully! with Talkback, Sine, and 
Spiel, all 3 with Android, as far back as Ice Cream Sandwitch 4.0 all the way 
now up to 6.0 Marshmallow.  I've even heard of people, though I've been 
unsuccessful, who installed JAWS scripts, and got it working on their desktop 
running Windows.

So, yeah, truly, Zello's a beautiful thing.  I'm willing to have an open mind 
about Roger, but you guys are really gonna have to do a lotta convincing.

Chris.

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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, it's not.  That's the exact channel that I actually listen to FF on, go 
figure.  Love watching that thing over night, as pretty much, you're right.  
That's about all they play all night long.

It's awesome!
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  From: Brent Harding 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 10:26 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  Yes, not sure if HLN is available at all without cable, but they run a lot of 
Forensic Files on the weekends and at night.

- Original Message - 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


God, cops, 25 seasons?  If I want to watch the police victimize people I 
could open my door! I try to filter out as much propaganda as possible not 
import it and boy that’s hard.

 

 

Chris I don’t mean to make a whacky suggestion here but what about an over 
the air antenna to pull in digital over the air content for free that you could 
store or watch in real time.  I forget what part of the world you’re in and if 
you have good access to over the air content but maybe that in combination with 
streaming services?  A lot of the shows you mention are easily available over 
the air.  Certainly only one at a time but you could build your collection 
slowly, say of Dr. Phil who you can’t find available online.  You’re also 
covered by fair use so you should be good.

 

Just an idea out of left field.

 

 

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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Scott Granados]

Have you tried a good antenna or just the included rabbit ears or a cheap wall 
mount version?  

 

I got ahold of a bowtie antenna for something like 25 bucks and the difference 
was significant.  Digital signals are also easier to pick up, it’s either 
working or not.  Digital is great it’s either saturated or off, much simpler to 
deal with than analog signals.

 

 

 

From:  on behalf of Christopher-Mark Gilland 

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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

We get horrible reception here, so that won't work.  I should know.  My aunt 
who lives only about 500 feet from us has tried using over the air.
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  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 10:23 PM
  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  God, cops, 25 seasons?  If I want to watch the police victimize people I 
could open my door! I try to filter out as much propaganda as possible not 
import it and boy that’s hard.

   

   

  Chris I don’t mean to make a whacky suggestion here but what about an over 
the air antenna to pull in digital over the air content for free that you could 
store or watch in real time.  I forget what part of the world you’re in and if 
you have good access to over the air content but maybe that in combination with 
streaming services?  A lot of the shows you mention are easily available over 
the air.  Certainly only one at a time but you could build your collection 
slowly, say of Dr. Phil who you can’t find available online.  You’re also 
covered by fair use so you should be good.

   

  Just an idea out of left field.

   

   

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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Let's just say that we bought one from Best Buy that was $130, and even that! 
didn't work.  This sucker was literally top of the line.  We wound up 
returnning it, and trying about 2 other models before we finally gave up.
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  Subject: Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.


  Have you tried a good antenna or just the included rabbit ears or a cheap 
wall mount version?  

   

  I got ahold of a bowtie antenna for something like 25 bucks and the 
difference was significant.  Digital signals are also easier to pick up, it’s 
either working or not.  Digital is great it’s either saturated or off, much 
simpler to deal with than analog signals.

   

   

   

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Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic entirely.

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

A good antenna shouldn't cost that much but a lot of it also depends on 
where you put it. I put a ChannelMaster CM2016 in my attic and it worked 
quite well. Cost me $44 on Amazon. My wife is a sports nut so she had to 
have her (US) football and Olympics.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018BZJNS/

I had tried other amplified and gimicky things from Best Buy and they 
never worked very well.


CB

On 6/27/16 11:27 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Let's just say that we bought one from Best Buy that was $130, and 
even that! didn't work.  This sucker was literally top of the line.  
We wound up returnning it, and trying about 2 other models before we 
finally gave up.

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*Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2016 11:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: Dr. Phil, and More. I swear this *is!* on topic
entirely.

Have you tried a good antenna or just the included rabbit ears or
a cheap wall mount version?

I got ahold of a bowtie antenna for something like 25 bucks and
the difference was significant.  Digital signals are also easier
to pick up, it’s either working or not.  Digital is great it’s
either saturated or off, much simpler to deal with than analog
signals.

*From: * on behalf of
Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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*Date: *Monday, June 27, 2016 at 11:00 PM
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