Re: Bug with Alex Saying “Arrived”

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yes, I'm getting this too.

Shawn
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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:52 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone notice Alex now has a bug with the word arrived?
> 
> It’s only in certain contexts, but arrived sounds more like derived to me.
> 
> I think it’s only when you pass the Voiceover cursor over it, and usually not 
> in the stream of a sentence or paragraph. But still, is this happening to 
> anyone else?
> 
> Brandon
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RE: copying settings from mac to macbook pro

[Simon Fogarty]

The migration assistant 
 You'll need to have a firewire or thunderbolt cable if the machines are new 
enough,
 Mig ration assistant will step you through what you need to do.

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Sent: Saturday, 4 June 2016 3:38 PM
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Subject: copying settings from mac to macbook pro


Does anyone know which program you use to copy settings from a mac to macbook 
pro? I looked through applications and especially utilities, but don't see 
anything that looks like what I'm looking for.

Thanks, 
Don  

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Re: Apple Watch speaker weirdness?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Uh, I think she said she tried that already.  If resetting it didn't help, 
then you might have to take it in, and let them look at it, as it definitely 
shouldn't be doing that.

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From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 2:58 AM
Subject: RE: Apple Watch speaker weirdness?



HiDonna,whatabout

Setting up the apple watch again from sratch.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Friday, 3 June 2016 3:37 AM
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Subject: Apple Watch speaker weirdness?

Hi all,

The volume of the speaker on my Apple Watch just dropped off and became 
more distorted.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Anyone know of a fix 
that doesn't involve a trip to the Apple store?  I did power the watch off 
and back on, but that did not help.

TIA,
Donna

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Re: slightly OT: Disk Utility refusing to erase micro SD card

[Jonathan Cohn]

I'm pretty sure those cards also have a lock slide but perhaps, they just
removed the cover so you couldn't make it right enabled.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:58 PM Alex Hall  wrote:

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> I have a micro SD card that came as part of my Raspberry Pi starter kit. I
> want to erase whatever OS they put on here and load straight Raspian, and
> to do that I have to format the card. Oddly, though, when I do that, I get
> "erase process has failed". I've never seen that happen before, and I'm not
> sure why it's doing this. I can read the files on the card just fine, but
> can't erase it. I've looked at the card, and while there's a notch, there
> seems to be no read/write switch like on full-sized SD cards. Any thoughts
> on what might be going on? Thanks.
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Re: Apple Watch speaker weirdness?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wait... I thought you said you did! reset the watch.  If not, then yeah, I'd 
suggest giving that a try.  Also, what model watch is this we're dealing 
with, and what version of WatchOS?

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From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Apple Watch speaker weirdness?


I thought about that.  I'm s glad it never came to that. :)
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:58 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

HiDonna,whatabout

Setting up the apple watch again from sratch.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Friday, 3 June 2016 3:37 AM
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Subject: Apple Watch speaker weirdness?

Hi all,

The volume of the speaker on my Apple Watch just dropped off and became 
more distorted.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Anyone know of a fix 
that doesn't involve a trip to the Apple store?  I did power the watch off 
and back on, but that did not help.

TIA,
Donna

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Re: Moderators

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Amen!  Totally agreed.

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  From: Charlie Doremus 
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  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 2:02 PM
  Subject: Re: Moderators


  Wouldn't it have been nicer to say caraqu...@caraquinn.com


  Aloha,


  Charlie 

  On Jun 3, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:


caraqu...@caraquinn.com

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Re: Moderators

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Um, that wasn't very nice.

It might be true, but you could have at least offered some help rather than 
chastising her.  That isn't productive.

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  From: Phil Halton 
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  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 11:00 AM
  Subject: Re: Moderators


  I suggest you read this message, and every message sent to the list, more 
carefully, paying particular attention to the bottom portion of the message.


  Sent from my IPhone



  On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:


Hello,
How can I reach the moderators for the list?


Blessings,
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Re: Moderators

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Yes, but learning doesn't over rule politeness, thank you very much?
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To: 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Moderators



   Learning comes from hands on effort.

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in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/3/2016 11:02 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

Wouldn't it have been nicer to say caraqu...@caraquinn.com



Aloha,

Charlie

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caraqu...@caraquinn.com 


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Re: Moderators

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys, grow up!  Take it off list, for goodness sake!
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From: "E.T." 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Moderators



   A more in-depth explanation of what, religion? No thanks.

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On 6/3/2016 12:14 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

a more in-depth explanation


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Re: Moderators

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Mark is only a co-mod.  That's why it's probably not listed.  Cara's address 
is there however.

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Subject: Re: Moderators


Of course, it would also help a lot more to read the footer if the moderator 
address were actually listed there.  It isn’t, and that’s what was asked 
for. :)


Mark’s email address is mk...@ucla.edu .

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Re: Apple TV and channels

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of one, unless you can find someone who will 
lend you a login.  Sorry to be the barer of bad news.

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Subject: Apple TV and channels


   I have been setting up my Apple TV 3rd. Some channels, like NBC, 
require you have a provider. I get over the air so cannot sign in with a 
provider account. Is there an option for this?


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Re: Moderators

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Mark, any chance then we could put a close to this thread?  It's becoming 
incredibly unproductive.

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Subject: RE: Moderators


Just so you all know, I responded to Stacey's inquiry, this morning, as soon 
as I saw it, off-list.


Mark

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu

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Of course, it would also help a lot more to read the footer if the moderator 
address were actually listed there.  It isn’t, and that’s what was asked 
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Mark’s email address is mk...@ucla.edu .

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Re: Bug with Alex Saying “Arrived”

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Have you guys reported it?
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Subject: Re: Bug with Alex Saying “Arrived”


Yes, I'm getting this too.

Shawn
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On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:52 PM, Brandon A. Olivares 
 wrote:


Anyone notice Alex now has a bug with the word arrived?

It’s only in certain contexts, but arrived sounds more like derived to me.

I think it’s only when you pass the Voiceover cursor over it, and usually 
not in the stream of a sentence or paragraph. But still, is this happening 
to anyone else?


Brandon

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Reading and editing files on an iPhone 6

[Mike Busboom]

Hi everyone,

I have a lot of files in my Dropbox account which I regularly read an edit on 
my MacBook.  However, I don’t always have my MacBook with me and would like to 
make minor changes to files using my iPhone.  I have the DropBox app for the 
iPhone and I can open files with it.  However, it seems that it is not possible 
to make changes to them from the iPhone, unless I am overlooking something 
pretty fundamental.  Currently, I use either Pages or TextEdit to generate the 
texts on my MacBook.  What app works best with the iPhone?  I have AccessNote, 
but it only lets me go into the directory where it stores files so if a file I 
want to edit is in a different directory, I am out of luck, unless I copy the 
file into the AccessNote directory.

Is there an accessible Pages app for the iPhone 6?  I would be using an Apple 
bluetooth keyboard as my input device.  And just out of curiosity, is the Word 
app for the iPhone reasonably accessible?

Best regards and thanks in advance,

Mike

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Re: Moderators

[Stacey Robinson]

That was very helpful.
Also, Mark thanks for writing me off list.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Um, that wasn't very nice.
>  
> It might be true, but you could have at least offered some help rather than 
> chastising her.  That isn't productive.
>  
> The main moderator is Cara.  You can e-mail her directly at:
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> caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
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> You also can reach Mark Taylor, the co-moderator.  His e-mail address is:
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Phil Halton 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: Moderators
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>> carefully, paying particular attention to the bottom portion of the message.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Stacey Robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> How can I reach the moderators for the list?
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly much.
Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
instead of a standard.
Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
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> Hi,
> Glad it works for you. :)
> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
> Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
> currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, 
> in this case.
> Hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
>>> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
>>> reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
>>> space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Mary Otten]

 There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


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> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly 
> much.
> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
> instead of a standard.
> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Glad it works for you. :)
>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
>> Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
>> currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, 
>> in this case.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
 On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
 accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
 installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
 reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
 space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
 
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Re: Moderators

[E.T.]

   Uh Chris? How about you let Mark do the moderating so you don't have 
to spam the group? He already took care of things yesterday already. And 
uh take your own advice and take it off list. Thanks for your cooperation.


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On 6/4/2016 7:26 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Guys, grow up!  Take it off list, for goodness sake!
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   A more in-depth explanation of what, religion? No thanks.

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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:
That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
Apparently, they had also been mis-led.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
> was well known and much complain about.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>> overly much.
>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>> instead of a standard.
>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Glad it works for you. :)
>>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
>>> the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
>>> doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
>>> VoiceOver, in this case.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Jeffrey
 On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
 Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
 Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer 
> keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not 
> return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Devin Prater]

That's a terrible loss of money. You should definitely ask for your money back 
if possible, or see if you can upgrade to 2016. I enjoy Pages myself, but 
Office has it's uses, I suppose. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
> Apparently, they had also been mis-led.
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
>> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
>> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the 
>> Mac was well known and much complain about.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>>> overly much.
>>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>>> instead of a standard.
>>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Glad it works for you. :)
 Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
 “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
 the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
 doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
 VoiceOver, in this case.
 Hope this helps,
 Jeffrey
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got 
>> everything installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all 
>> VoiceOVer keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of 
>> it not return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>> 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Mary Otten]

Well, they certainly should have known better at Microsoft. I hope you can get 
your money back or at least get a free  upgrade to the accessible version. I'm 
not sure it's totally accessible. But people have reported good luck more or 
less.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
> Apparently, they had also been mis-led.
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
>> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
>> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the 
>> Mac was well known and much complain about.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>>> overly much.
>>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>>> instead of a standard.
>>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Glad it works for you. :)
 Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
 “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
 the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
 doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
 VoiceOver, in this case.
 Hope this helps,
 Jeffrey
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got 
>> everything installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all 
>> VoiceOVer keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of 
>> it not return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>> 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Krister Ekstrom]

I wonder if VO has been better at reading long documents in Word. Before in 
Office 2016 VO read a couple of pages in a document and then all of a sudden 
jumped back to the beginning for no apparent reason. Accessibility at Microsoft 
says they’re continuing to work on making Office better, so i haven’t quite 
given up yet.:-)
/Krister

> 4 juni 2016 kl. 18:48 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Well, they certainly should have known better at Microsoft. I hope you can 
> get your money back or at least get a free  upgrade to the accessible 
> version. I'm not sure it's totally accessible. But people have reported good 
> luck more or less.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
>> Apparently, they had also been mis-led.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Cheree Heppe
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
>>> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
>>> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the 
>>> Mac was well known and much complain about.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
 
 Cheree Heppe here:
 I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
 It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft 
 cosmology, while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition 
 of blindness and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, 
 work for what looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble 
 the waters overly much.
 Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational 
 impediment instead of a standard.
 Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
 productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
 Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Glad it works for you. :)
> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
> the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
> doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
> VoiceOver, in this case.
> Hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got 
>>> everything installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all 
>>> VoiceOVer keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out 
>>> of it not return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: Moderators

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You're more than welcome.  Glad I could help.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Stacey Robinson 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 11:35 AM
  Subject: Re: Moderators


  That was very helpful.
  Also, Mark thanks for writing me off list.

  Blessings,
  Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Um, that wasn't very nice.

It might be true, but you could have at least offered some help rather than 
chastising her.  That isn't productive.

The main moderator is Cara.  You can e-mail her directly at:

caraqu...@caraquinn.com

You also can reach Mark Taylor, the co-moderator.  His e-mail address is:

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  From: Phil Halton
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 11:00 AM
  Subject: Re: Moderators


  I suggest you read this message, and every message sent to the list, more 
carefully, paying particular attention to the bottom portion of the message.


  Sent from my IPhone



  On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Stacey Robinson  
wrote:


Hello,
How can I reach the moderators for the list?


Blessings,
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Apple watch and treadmill

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi guys:
I found an interesting thing with the ap
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ple watch and treadmill. I was using the workout app. This time, I raised the 
incline level on the treadmill. When I finished my workout,I noticed the app 
wasn’t accurately tracking the distance and calaries.

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RE: Widgets, and Calendars, and Lists, Oh My!

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sabahattin, et al,

Well, as it turns out, with the installation of El Capitan, the Dashboard 
Widget Space is automatically disabled.  I re-enabled it but, to my dismay, the 
Calendar widget that used to provide a list view is no longer being updated and 
is incompatible with the current version of the native Calendar application.

Try as I may, I cannot find a way to have a list of upcoming calendar events be 
displayed in a list view.  

Mark

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Subject: Re: Widgets, and Calendars, and Lists, Oh My!

Widgets are still accessible, if you want them.  System Preferences, Mission 
Control, and then assign a key to Dashboard.

I think it’s pretty clear Apple are going to deprecate them, sooner or later.  
Notification Centre is now the way to get these little bits of info.  I’m not 
much of a fan of the Today view myself, but it works.

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Any Accessible YouTUbe Live-streaming Encoders for Mac

[Seyoon Choi]

Hello listers,
The subject of this e-mail pretty much says it. As WWDC comes closer, I am in 
preparation to do some live events. I could always rely on Google Hangouts on 
Air but I am in a lookout for custom YouTube compatible encoders for me to use 
it on the Mac. I heard Wirecast by Telistream, a maker of Screenflow might have 
the solution, but I’m wanting to get some feedback as to any solutions or 
experiences with any YouTube encoders.

Let me know with any information/suggestions

Thanks,

Seyoon,

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Re: Reading and editing files on an iPhone 6

[sadam ahmed]

Hi Mike,

Both the Word app and  Pages will do what you want.

Hope this helps.

Sadam Ahmed

On 5/06/2016 1:20 AM, Mike Busboom wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a lot of files in my Dropbox account which I regularly read an edit on 
my MacBook.  However, I don’t always have my MacBook with me and would like to 
make minor changes to files using my iPhone.  I have the DropBox app for the 
iPhone and I can open files with it.  However, it seems that it is not possible 
to make changes to them from the iPhone, unless I am overlooking something 
pretty fundamental.  Currently, I use either Pages or TextEdit to generate the 
texts on my MacBook.  What app works best with the iPhone?  I have AccessNote, 
but it only lets me go into the directory where it stores files so if a file I 
want to edit is in a different directory, I am out of luck, unless I copy the 
file into the AccessNote directory.

Is there an accessible Pages app for the iPhone 6?  I would be using an Apple 
bluetooth keyboard as my input device.  And just out of curiosity, is the Word 
app for the iPhone reasonably accessible?

Best regards and thanks in advance,

Mike



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Re: Any Accessible YouTUbe Live-streaming Encoders for Mac

[Joe Paton]

You're right.

that message was to peter.
I'll have to re-write it.

Joe
On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 15:38:20 -0500
Seyoon Choi  wrote:

Hello listers,
The subject of this e-mail pretty much says it. As WWDC comes closer, I am in 
preparation to do some live events. I could always rely on Google Hangouts on 
Air but I am in a lookout for custom YouTube compatible encoders for me to use 
it on the Mac. I heard Wirecast by Telistream, a maker of Screenflow might have 
the solution, but I’m wanting to get some feedback as to any solutions or 
experiences with any YouTube encoders.

Let me know with any information/suggestions

Thanks,

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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Cheree]

Cheree Heppe here:
Once upon a time, after everything else did not work, blind people 
participated in on site protests, complete with signs, slogans and songs.
One of those songs could just as well be adapted for the accessibility 
issues dividing our productivity now.

The old song goes:
Wait, wait, wait, your book's not in yet,
We're bound to have it next year without fail,
We can not do any more,
We are not your corner store,
After all, you know, just one per cent read Braille.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


On 6/4/2016 10:40 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

I wonder if VO has been better at reading long documents in Word. Before in 
Office 2016 VO read a couple of pages in a document and then all of a sudden 
jumped back to the beginning for no apparent reason. Accessibility at Microsoft 
says they’re continuing to work on making Office better, so i haven’t quite 
given up yet.:-)
/Krister


4 juni 2016 kl. 18:48 skrev Mary Otten :

Well, they certainly should have known better at Microsoft. I hope you can get 
your money back or at least get a free  upgrade to the accessible version. I'm 
not sure it's totally accessible. But people have reported good luck more or 
less.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
Apparently, they had also been mis-led.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:

There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the Mac. 
Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in reality, 
since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac was well 
known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly much.
Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
instead of a standard.
Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:

Hi,
Glad it works for you. :)
Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
“Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, in 
this case.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. Definitely 
weird, but seems to be working now.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,

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seeing icloud contents on new macbook pro

[don bishop]

Hi, it's me again.
I have had a mac and iphone for severeral years and they both see the same 
music on the cloud. 
On my new macbook pro I can't see any of my music on the cloud. 
I have signed onto my account and again in icloud. I also authorized the new 
machine, but still not seeing any of my music inthe library. I'm obviously 
missing something. Does anyone have an idea as to what I'm missing?  

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Re: seeing icloud contents on new macbook pro

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Try going into your iTunes Preferences, under the General pane and make sure 
that your iTunes Music Library is connected to your Apple ID.  It's located 
right after the Apple Music item within that pane.  If that doesn't do it, let 
me know.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 4, 2016, at 15:18, don bishop  wrote:

Hi, it's me again.
I have had a mac and iphone for severeral years and they both see the same 
music on the cloud. 
On my new macbook pro I can't see any of my music on the cloud. 
I have signed onto my account and again in icloud. I also authorized the new 
machine, but still not seeing any of my music inthe library. I'm obviously 
missing something. Does anyone have an idea as to what I'm missing?  

_Many Thanks, 
Don  


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Re: Reading and editing files on an iPhone 6

[David Chittenden]

I use Pages or Google Docs to edit word documents on iOS.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Jun 2016, at 03:20, Mike Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have a lot of files in my Dropbox account which I regularly read an edit on 
> my MacBook.  However, I don’t always have my MacBook with me and would like 
> to make minor changes to files using my iPhone.  I have the DropBox app for 
> the iPhone and I can open files with it.  However, it seems that it is not 
> possible to make changes to them from the iPhone, unless I am overlooking 
> something pretty fundamental.  Currently, I use either Pages or TextEdit to 
> generate the texts on my MacBook.  What app works best with the iPhone?  I 
> have AccessNote, but it only lets me go into the directory where it stores 
> files so if a file I want to edit is in a different directory, I am out of 
> luck, unless I copy the file into the AccessNote directory.
> 
> Is there an accessible Pages app for the iPhone 6?  I would be using an Apple 
> bluetooth keyboard as my input device.  And just out of curiosity, is the 
> Word app for the iPhone reasonably accessible?
> 
> Best regards and thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike
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RE: Reading and editing files on an iPhone 6

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi the best bet would be pages which is available for your iPhone 

And it is very very accessible.



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On Behalf Of Mike Busboom
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 3:20 AM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Reading and editing files on an iPhone 6

Hi everyone,

I have a lot of files in my Dropbox account which I regularly read an edit on 
my MacBook.  However, I don’t always have my MacBook with me and would like to 
make minor changes to files using my iPhone.  I have the DropBox app for the 
iPhone and I can open files with it.  However, it seems that it is not possible 
to make changes to them from the iPhone, unless I am overlooking something 
pretty fundamental.  Currently, I use either Pages or TextEdit to generate the 
texts on my MacBook.  What app works best with the iPhone?  I have AccessNote, 
but it only lets me go into the directory where it stores files so if a file I 
want to edit is in a different directory, I am out of luck, unless I copy the 
file into the AccessNote directory.

Is there an accessible Pages app for the iPhone 6?  I would be using an Apple 
bluetooth keyboard as my input device.  And just out of curiosity, is the Word 
app for the iPhone reasonably accessible?

Best regards and thanks in advance,

Mike

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RE: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ladies,

Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.

 No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not accessible 
with voiceover,
 Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,

 The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, MS 
hadn't taken accessibility in to account.

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Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

 There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly 
> much.
> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
> instead of a standard.
> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Glad it works for you. :)
>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
>> Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
>> currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, 
>> in this case.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
 On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
 accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
 installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
 reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
 space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
 
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RE: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Cheree,

 Not misled but more like uninformed about accessibility issues, 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Cheree Heppe
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

Cheree Heppe here:
That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
Apparently, they had also been mis-led.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
> was well known and much complain about.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>> overly much.
>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>> instead of a standard.
>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Glad it works for you. :)
>>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
>>> the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
>>> doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
>>> VoiceOver, in this case.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Jeffrey
 On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
 Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
 Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer 
> keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not 
> return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
> 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[sadam ahmed]

Hi,

Office on the Mac is accessible however no where as good as the Windows 
version.


There always going to prioritize the   Windows client first.

For working with documents I use the excellent Pages or iText express.

Kind regards,

Sadam Ahmed

On 5/06/2016 9:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Ladies,

Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.

  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not accessible 
with voiceover,
  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,

  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, 
MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly much.
Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
instead of a standard.
Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:

Hi,
Glad it works for you. :)
Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
“Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, in 
this case.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. Definitely 
weird, but seems to be working now.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,

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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Brian Howerton]

Hi Sadam,
I am trying to learn pages myself, but can you tell me a little more about 
Itext express?  I am assuming that it is another word processor option.  
Currently, I am in grad school right now, and am looking for something that 
will allow me to do pretty advanced formatting for papers such as foot notes 
and citations and bibliographies, like I said I do know that pages will work 
for me, but was just curious to hear about this option.  Thanks so much,
Brian
> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:32 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Office on the Mac is accessible however no where as good as the Windows 
> version.
> 
> There always going to prioritize the   Windows client first.
> 
> For working with documents I use the excellent Pages or iText express.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> On 5/06/2016 9:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi Ladies,
>> 
>> Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.
>> 
>>  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not 
>> accessible with voiceover,
>>  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,
>> 
>>  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, 
>> MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
>> accessible
>> 
>>  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
>> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
>> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the 
>> Mac was well known and much complain about.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>>> overly much.
>>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>>> instead of a standard.
>>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Glad it works for you. :)
 Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
 “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
 the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
 doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
 VoiceOver, in this case.
 Hope this helps,
 Jeffrey
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got 
>> everything installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all 
>> VoiceOVer keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of 
>> it not return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>> 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[sadam ahmed]

Hi Brian,

iText Express will do what you want.

I too use it for college.

Here's the Mac App Store description:

iText Express is a cute, intuitive, and refined text editor with simple 
word processing completely rewritten in Cocoa. iText Express provides 
the simplest way to make gorgeous manuscripts on your Mac!


iText Express has lots of functional and attractive features it shares 
with word processor, besides giving good vibes by fully complying with 
Mac OS X. iText Express blends seamlessly into the OS X environment, and 
will continue to grow with the power of Mac OS X.


iText Express follows the original simplicity of Macs, and perfectly 
covers every feature of TextEdit basics and Microsoft(R) Word 
compatibility as well.


iText Express even supports still more lovely features including 
header/footer, footnotes/endnotes, page layout and numbers, multiple 
columns, hyperlinks, bookmarks, and vertical writing, yet is so much 
easier to use.


iText Express will definitely make your writing a pleasure. Remarkable 
for anyone who expects a reliable simple word processor for Mac OS X


Any more questions feel free to write back.

All the best,

Sadam Ahmed
On 5/06/2016 10:55 AM, Brian Howerton wrote:

Hi Sadam,
I am trying to learn pages myself, but can you tell me a little more about 
Itext express?  I am assuming that it is another word processor option.  
Currently, I am in grad school right now, and am looking for something that 
will allow me to do pretty advanced formatting for papers such as foot notes 
and citations and bibliographies, like I said I do know that pages will work 
for me, but was just curious to hear about this option.  Thanks so much,
Brian

On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:32 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:


Hi,

Office on the Mac is accessible however no where as good as the Windows version.

There always going to prioritize the   Windows client first.

For working with documents I use the excellent Pages or iText express.

Kind regards,

Sadam Ahmed

On 5/06/2016 9:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Ladies,

Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.

  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not accessible 
with voiceover,
  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,

  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, 
MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly much.
Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
instead of a standard.
Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:

Hi,
Glad it works for you. :)
Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
“Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, in 
this case.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. Definitely 
weird, but seems to be working now.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,

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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Brian Howerton]

Thanks for this man, I appreciate it.  Did you download from the mac app store 
or from their website?  I did download it, but the only thing that I saw that 
was dimmed was the footnote feature.  Thought that was strange though, but 
didn’t know if you could shed any light on this.  I’ve just been having a look 
around.  Looks very accessible with voiceover.  I am assuming that I can go 
ahead and hide the ruler since it looks like every thing you need is in the 
menus.  Are you able to actually create your own paragraph styles like you 
could in microsoft word?  For example, for my papers in college, I have to 
write in Terabian format, so was wondering if I could create paragraph styles 
for my default paragraph style and also for my heading styles and things like 
that.  For citations and bibliographies, I am assuming that you have to 
manually create your own citations and bibliography/works cited page.  Looks 
very good though with voiceover.  I was very impressed.  I could see myself 
using this over pages possibly.  Is there a manual to learn how to use the word 
processor?  I read the read me first document, but was curious to see if there 
was a manual for learning how to use it.  Thanks for recommending and turning 
me on to this.  I had never heard of it before.  Much appreciated.
Brian
> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:22 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> iText Express will do what you want.
> 
> I too use it for college.
> 
> Here's the Mac App Store description:
> 
> iText Express is a cute, intuitive, and refined text editor with simple word 
> processing completely rewritten in Cocoa. iText Express provides the simplest 
> way to make gorgeous manuscripts on your Mac!
> 
> iText Express has lots of functional and attractive features it shares with 
> word processor, besides giving good vibes by fully complying with Mac OS X. 
> iText Express blends seamlessly into the OS X environment, and will continue 
> to grow with the power of Mac OS X.
> 
> iText Express follows the original simplicity of Macs, and perfectly covers 
> every feature of TextEdit basics and Microsoft(R) Word compatibility as well.
> 
> iText Express even supports still more lovely features including 
> header/footer, footnotes/endnotes, page layout and numbers, multiple columns, 
> hyperlinks, bookmarks, and vertical writing, yet is so much easier to use.
> 
> iText Express will definitely make your writing a pleasure. Remarkable for 
> anyone who expects a reliable simple word processor for Mac OS X
> 
> Any more questions feel free to write back.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> On 5/06/2016 10:55 AM, Brian Howerton wrote:
>> Hi Sadam,
>> I am trying to learn pages myself, but can you tell me a little more about 
>> Itext express?  I am assuming that it is another word processor option.  
>> Currently, I am in grad school right now, and am looking for something that 
>> will allow me to do pretty advanced formatting for papers such as foot notes 
>> and citations and bibliographies, like I said I do know that pages will work 
>> for me, but was just curious to hear about this option.  Thanks so much,
>> Brian
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:32 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Office on the Mac is accessible however no where as good as the Windows 
>>> version.
>>> 
>>> There always going to prioritize the   Windows client first.
>>> 
>>> For working with documents I use the excellent Pages or iText express.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> On 5/06/2016 9:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Hi Ladies,
 
 Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.
 
  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not 
 accessible with voiceover,
  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,
 
  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were 
 coded, MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
 Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
 accessible
 
  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on 
 the Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis 
 in reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on 
 the Mac was well known and much complain about.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft 
> cosmology, while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition 
> of blindness a

Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[sadam ahmed]

Hi Brian,

Your able to create paragraphs and other stuff.

I did download from the App Store.

Another thing to consider is Pages.

Not sure about a guide as such.

All the best,

Sadam Ahmed

On 5/06/2016 11:30 AM, Brian Howerton wrote:

Thanks for this man, I appreciate it.  Did you download from the mac app store 
or from their website?  I did download it, but the only thing that I saw that 
was dimmed was the footnote feature.  Thought that was strange though, but 
didn’t know if you could shed any light on this.  I’ve just been having a look 
around.  Looks very accessible with voiceover.  I am assuming that I can go 
ahead and hide the ruler since it looks like every thing you need is in the 
menus.  Are you able to actually create your own paragraph styles like you 
could in microsoft word?  For example, for my papers in college, I have to 
write in Terabian format, so was wondering if I could create paragraph styles 
for my default paragraph style and also for my heading styles and things like 
that.  For citations and bibliographies, I am assuming that you have to 
manually create your own citations and bibliography/works cited page.  Looks 
very good though with voiceover.  I was very impressed.  I could see myself 
using this over pages possibly.  Is there a manual to learn how to use the word 
processor?  I read the read me first document, but was curious to see if there 
was a manual for learning how to use it.  Thanks for recommending and turning 
me on to this.  I had never heard of it before.  Much appreciated.
Brian

On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:22 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:


Hi Brian,

iText Express will do what you want.

I too use it for college.

Here's the Mac App Store description:

iText Express is a cute, intuitive, and refined text editor with simple word 
processing completely rewritten in Cocoa. iText Express provides the simplest 
way to make gorgeous manuscripts on your Mac!

iText Express has lots of functional and attractive features it shares with 
word processor, besides giving good vibes by fully complying with Mac OS X. 
iText Express blends seamlessly into the OS X environment, and will continue to 
grow with the power of Mac OS X.

iText Express follows the original simplicity of Macs, and perfectly covers 
every feature of TextEdit basics and Microsoft(R) Word compatibility as well.

iText Express even supports still more lovely features including header/footer, 
footnotes/endnotes, page layout and numbers, multiple columns, hyperlinks, 
bookmarks, and vertical writing, yet is so much easier to use.

iText Express will definitely make your writing a pleasure. Remarkable for 
anyone who expects a reliable simple word processor for Mac OS X

Any more questions feel free to write back.

All the best,

Sadam Ahmed
On 5/06/2016 10:55 AM, Brian Howerton wrote:

Hi Sadam,
I am trying to learn pages myself, but can you tell me a little more about 
Itext express?  I am assuming that it is another word processor option.  
Currently, I am in grad school right now, and am looking for something that 
will allow me to do pretty advanced formatting for papers such as foot notes 
and citations and bibliographies, like I said I do know that pages will work 
for me, but was just curious to hear about this option.  Thanks so much,
Brian

On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:32 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:


Hi,

Office on the Mac is accessible however no where as good as the Windows version.

There always going to prioritize the   Windows client first.

For working with documents I use the excellent Pages or iText express.

Kind regards,

Sadam Ahmed

On 5/06/2016 9:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Ladies,

Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.

  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not accessible 
with voiceover,
  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,

  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, 
MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


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On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
modern, withou