RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Simon,

Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.

Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with a cNet 
review of the product.

I hope you find it useful.

Mark

Original Post from Mark:
Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth Single-Ear 
Headset

Hello Everyone,

After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided to 
purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  

Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example the 
proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager Edge.  

I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and responsive 
Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and used no fewer than
18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
outstanding performance but returns to some industry standard protocols, for 
example, the original charging cable connection.  Like the Legend, it does have 
a hardware on and off button.  

What I really like about the Edge is that one can disable some of the features 
of the device, for instance, the auto Answer/Reject prompts.  There have been 
many times when I was talking to someone when a call came in and the headset, 
not a Plantronics, would automatically interpret my last spoken word as answer. 
 

Below I am pasting in a short cNet review of the Edge at the bottom of which 
you will find the URL to the review, itself.

Please note that the review was written almost a year ago.  The reason I 
mention this is that it states that the Edge cannot get 7 hours of talk time, 
as can the Legend.  However, this is no longer true.  The unit I just purchased 
gets over 7 hours of talk time.

Also, the Edge now ships with an over-the-ear loop and soft ear-jell tips.

In short, I would strongly recommend anyone who is in the market for a high 
performance blindness-friendly single-ear Bluetooth headset device consider the 
Voyager Edge.

Mark

cNet Review:
The Good The Plantronics Voyager Edge packs outstanding call quality and noise 
cancellation. The headset is also light, comfortable to wear, and compact for a 
boom-style device. The Edge comes with a handy battery case for protection and 
charging on the go.

The Bad The Voyager Edge's ear tips don't form a tight audio seal and take some 
fiddling to position properly.

The Bottom Line The Plantronics Voyager Edge's impressive hands-free call 
quality and sleek size makes it a smarter buy than the fashionable Jawbone Era.

Equipped with support for multiple languages, aggressive noise cancellation and 
a host of other advanced communication skills, the $129.99 Voyager Edge 
represents Plantronics' latest stab at a high-tech tool for mobile voice chat. 
It sits alongside the company's popular Voyager Legend ($99.99), another 
premium hands-free product. Additionally, the Edge replaces the Discovery 975SE 
which was crafted to be as sleek as possible without sacrificing call quality.

Indeed despite it's compact size, the Edge uses the same impressive audio 
system as its big brother the Voyager Legend. This includes three discrete 
microphones and a boom arm to better pick up the words you say. The result is 
sound transmission that's equal to the Legend and cleaner than its chief 
competitor, the bite-sized Jawbone Era 2014 ($129). Of course the Edge can't 
match the Legend's 7-hour talk time or the Era's ultra-discreet de

Design
Continuing where the 975SE left off, the fresh Voyager Edge has the same 
distinctive diamond-shaped body. Relatively compact, the Edge sports a long, 
thin boom, too, which houses its microphone array. It also relies on a design 
that forgoes a bulky earloop, an approach the Legend and Jabra Motion take. 
Even though the Edge is a lot smaller than these gadgets, it's nowhere near as 
tiny as the bite-sized and recently refreshed Jawbone Era. But while the Era 
lacks any physical controls save for a power switch and multifunction button, 
the Voyager Edge sports a real volume rocker and voice command key. Like the 
Era, the Edge uses a standard Mini-USB port for charging up and interfacing 
with PCs.

As for wearing the Voyager and overall ear fit, I find that the Jawbone Era 
more comfortable than the Edge. That's because the Era's teardrop silicone ear 
gel is much softer than the tough, rubbery sleeve around the Edge's earbud. The 
Era also has a tighter seal and ultimately is more stable, probably since its 
pliable and pointed ear gel actually enters the ear canal. The result is I can 
really jam it in there. This is a huge contrast to the Edge whose earbud is 
meant to sit outside and at the entrance to the ear. Initially it felt less 
secure to me, but I admit I prefer in-ear earphone styles. 

The Edge is trim and compact, yet makes room for physical buttons. Sarah 
Tew/CNET

After fiddling with the Edge's ear tip for a spell, however, I was able to find 
my personal sweet spot. Basically if I

Re: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver

[Erik Burggraaf]

Hi,  I've been using chrome for a few months now.  Some sites work in either 
chrome or safri, but not both.  So, there is still some flipflopping here.

Benefits of chrome.
Tab and bookmark sync to my Android phone.
Integrated flash.
Greater stability when loading large pages or sending forms.

Disadvantages of chrome.
No selecting text using shift and arrows.
Instability of the item chooser.
No article reader.
No bookmarks bar and associated hotkeys.

All in all, I'd rather have safari back, but I need a stable browser.  Chrome 
is that, and safari isn't.

Best,

Erik

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 wrote:
>Now that Rumola is available for Chrome (I say now because I just found
>this 
>out), Chrome is pretty nice. I don't see much difference between it
>versus 
>Lightning versus Safari.
>
>Ben
>- Original Message - 
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>Subject: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver
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>> Hi,
>> Anyone using Chrome on Mac with VoiceOver as primary browser, such as
>
>> myself? Are there accessibility improvements that you feel are
>needed?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Internet Radio Broadcasting on the Mac

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hi there.
I am using NiceCast with vlc for my radio broadcasting needs. 
Unfortunately, the voice over plugin doesn’t work as expected. 
However, I am sure that the first few times I tried it the music volume was 
going down when the mic was on. There must be an accessibility bug somewhere 
that prevent us to control the voice over plugin. 
Right now what I am doing is to turn the mic on, and then lower the music 
manually as I speak from the vlc window with command “ down arrow. 
Then I race the volume up with command + up arrow and turn the mic on from the 
voice over window. 
I know this is not an ideal solution but that’s what I am doing until something 
better comes up. 
I also tried Djpro but the mic doesn’t work there correctly also. 
Regards.
Nektarios.

> On 25 Jan 2016, at 6:09 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> Has any new developments been made or are being made on this front? I want to 
> do a show using NiceCast and iTunes, if only so I can broadcast Apple Music. 
> I figured I can use a playlist I made for talk beds, but NiceCast’s VoiceOver 
> plugin in the effects area for auto ducking is a joke. All it did was turn 
> the voice on and ducked a bit but the music was still blasting over my voice. 
> I shouldn’t need a mixer to control mic volume at this simple level. Of 
> course I could just forego beds, which I’ll probably do, but then the quality 
> of my show degrades.
> Really all I need is a way to duck that’s better than that failure of a 
> NiceCast plugin.
> I know Gordan from the now defunked Mac Access was doing something with 
> MegaSeg, but not sure how to contact him or what even happened to that site.
> Anybody have any suggestions?
> Thanks.
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Re: any book scanner suggestions?

[Erik Burggraaf]

Are you thinking of the Fujitsu scansnap?  That's a great piece of hardware, 
but the software bundled with it stinks for accessibility.  It also doesn't 
really meet your portability reqirement.

Best

Erik

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On Jan 25, 2016, 9:42 PM, at 9:42 PM, Dionipher Herrera  
wrote:
>i am using a mac book pro 15 inches and ABBYY fine reader. i am
>planning to buy a snap scan or other devices similar to that.
>> On 25 Jan 2016, at 21:57, Erik Burggraaf 
>wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ann,  that should work out for standard hard and paperback books. 
>Normally its exactly what I would suggest.  If the textbooks are 8.5x11
>though, then they open out to 17x11.  Books that size need the flip
>sides function I think.
>> 
>> Could you send me a link to your foppydo on amazon?  They make a few
>models and the only one I actually touched was a cardboard thing like
>the standsan.  I get the impression yours is a cut above that.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
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>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Anne Robertson > wrote:
>> Hello Erik,
>> 
>> The Fopydo is highly adjustable so yes, it will cope with that size.
>> KNFBReader handles multicolumn documents very well which is why it
>works for reading books.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Jan 2016, at 16:48, Erik Burggraaf < e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Does foppydo support 8.5x14?  This could be important since knfb
>doesn't yet support flipping sides as far as I know.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
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>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Anne Robertson < a...@anarchie.org.uk
>> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I can’t speak highly enough of the Fopydo stand with Book Reading
>Aid and KNFBReader. The book reading aid holds the book open and the
>stand keeps the iPhone at exactly the right position to take the
>perfect photo. KNFBReader allows you to add each newly scanned page to
>a document, and you can export to a number of formats, including RTF.
>>> 
>>> The Fopydo stand with Book Reading Aid costs $35 plus shipping. I
>know that shipping to France costs $12, making the total $47.
>>> 
>>> I’ve got a StandScan Pro and a Giraffe Reader, but the Fopydo is the
>one I’d recommend above all others because it is so convenient to use
>and makes reading a book a pleasure. I can sit with the Fopydo on my
>lap and read in comfort, turning the page as KNFBReader starts
>speaking.
>>> 
>>> Here’s the link:
>>> < http://www.fopydo.com/bookreadingaid
>>
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 25 Jan 2016, at 14:34, Erik Burggraaf < e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>> wrote:
 
 Hi,  I have a 5 mpx eyepal which served me well when I managed a
>business, but which I no longer have a use for  and would be willing to
>sell.
 
 Another good solution would be to buy a scanjig and use that with
>prismo or knfb reader.  That would be cheaper than the eyepal, but it
>won't give you a flip sides feature which is really handy for scanning
>books.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik
 
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>dionip...@gmail.com > wrote:
 i am planning to buy a scanner for school which is portable and i
>prefer powered by using usb. thanks
 
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Re: The Martian Released on iTunes, Audio Described

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

The controls you need for turning on audio-described content from iTunes are in 
Accessibility in the settings, no matter which platform (Mac, iOS, Apple TV).

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Re: any book scanner suggestions?

[Sharon Hooley]

So, since this is a question on the Mac Visionaries list, does it not work with 
iPhones? That's what I would be most interested in.

Thanks,


Sharon H.

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I can’t speak highly enough of the Fopydo stand with Book Reading Aid and 
> KNFBReader. The book reading aid holds the book open and the stand keeps the 
> iPhone at exactly the right position to take the perfect photo. KNFBReader 
> allows you to add each newly scanned page to a document, and you can export 
> to a number of formats, including RTF.
> 
> The Fopydo stand with Book Reading Aid costs $35 plus shipping. I know that 
> shipping to France costs $12, making the total $47.
> 
> I’ve got a StandScan Pro and a Giraffe Reader, but the Fopydo is the one I’d 
> recommend above all others because it is so convenient to use and makes 
> reading a book a pleasure. I can sit with the Fopydo on my lap and read in 
> comfort, turning the page as KNFBReader starts speaking.
> 
> Here’s the link:
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 25 Jan 2016, at 14:34, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,  I have a 5 mpx eyepal which served me well when I managed a business, 
>> but which I no longer have a use for  and would be willing to sell.
>> 
>> Another good solution would be to buy a scanjig and use that with prismo or 
>> knfb reader.  That would be cheaper than the eyepal, but it won't give you a 
>> flip sides feature which is really handy for scanning books.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
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>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Dionipher Herrera  wrote:
>>> i am planning to buy a scanner for school which is portable and i prefer 
>>> powered by using usb. thanks
>> 
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Re: any book scanner suggestions?

[Erik Burggraaf]

Yes, this is an iPhone product we're talking about.  OCR, even industrial OCR, 
is really an all mobile job IMHO.

Best

Erik

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On Jan 26, 2016, 9:48 AM, at 9:48 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>So, since this is a question on the Mac Visionaries list, does it not
>work with iPhones? That's what I would be most interested in.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Sharon H.
>
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Anne Robertson 
>wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I can’t speak highly enough of the Fopydo stand with Book Reading Aid
>and KNFBReader. The book reading aid holds the book open and the stand
>keeps the iPhone at exactly the right position to take the perfect
>photo. KNFBReader allows you to add each newly scanned page to a
>document, and you can export to a number of formats, including RTF.
>> 
>> The Fopydo stand with Book Reading Aid costs $35 plus shipping. I
>know that shipping to France costs $12, making the total $47.
>> 
>> I’ve got a StandScan Pro and a Giraffe Reader, but the Fopydo is the
>one I’d recommend above all others because it is so convenient to use
>and makes reading a book a pleasure. I can sit with the Fopydo on my
>lap and read in comfort, turning the page as KNFBReader starts
>speaking.
>> 
>> Here’s the link:
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Jan 2016, at 14:34, Erik Burggraaf 
>wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,  I have a 5 mpx eyepal which served me well when I managed a
>business, but which I no longer have a use for  and would be willing to
>sell.
>>> 
>>> Another good solution would be to buy a scanjig and use that with
>prismo or knfb reader.  That would be cheaper than the eyepal, but it
>won't give you a flip sides feature which is really handy for scanning
>books.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
>>> Sent from TypeApp
>>> 
>>> 
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> wrote:
 i am planning to buy a scanner for school which is portable and i
>prefer powered by using usb. thanks
>>> 
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Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Scott Granados]

Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?

:)

As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both of 
these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend over 
the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or not.

The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good don’t 
misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have tested both 
in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful cooling and tens of 
thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit easier for the far end 
caller to hear in my experience and while both have excellent battery life the 
legend is a bit better and will give you in my experience a full work day.
The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have 
to use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can fit 
behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.

I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light weight 
version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  Similar to the 
jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If what you want 
though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best noise cancelation and 
is designed for use in harsh environments the legend is for you.  Bottom line 
though and I think Mark would agree both are great headsets.

I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet it 
fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives you a 
reset button so you can reset the hardware if needed which I haven’t had to yet.

Nice to see another headset enthusiast.  Honestly I have yet to find one that I 
would give 5 stars but I am very picky.

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.
> 
> Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with a 
> cNet review of the product.
> 
> I hope you find it useful.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Original Post from Mark:
> Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth 
> Single-Ear Headset
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided to 
> purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  
> 
> Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example the 
> proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager Edge.  
> 
> I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and responsive 
> Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and used no fewer than
> 18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
> outstanding performance but returns to some industry standard protocols, for 
> example, the original charging cable connection.  Like the Legend, it does 
> have a hardware on and off button.  
> 
> What I really like about the Edge is that one can disable some of the 
> features of the device, for instance, the auto Answer/Reject prompts.  There 
> have been many times when I was talking to someone when a call came in and 
> the headset, not a Plantronics, would automatically interpret my last spoken 
> word as answer.  
> 
> Below I am pasting in a short cNet review of the Edge at the bottom of which 
> you will find the URL to the review, itself.
> 
> Please note that the review was written almost a year ago.  The reason I 
> mention this is that it states that the Edge cannot get 7 hours of talk time, 
> as can the Legend.  However, this is no longer true.  The unit I just 
> purchased gets over 7 hours of talk time.
> 
> Also, the Edge now ships with an over-the-ear loop and soft ear-jell tips.
> 
> In short, I would strongly recommend anyone who is in the market for a high 
> performance blindness-friendly single-ear Bluetooth headset device consider 
> the Voyager Edge.
> 
> Mark
> 
> cNet Review:
> The Good The Plantronics Voyager Edge packs outstanding call quality and 
> noise cancellation. The headset is also light, comfortable to wear, and 
> compact for a boom-style device. The Edge comes with a handy battery case for 
> protection and charging on the go.
> 
> The Bad The Voyager Edge's ear tips don't form a tight audio seal and take 
> some fiddling to position properly.
> 
> The Bottom Line The Plantronics Voyager Edge's impressive hands-free call 
> quality and sleek size makes it a smarter buy than the fashionable Jawbone 
> Era.
> 
> Equipped with support for multiple languages, aggressive noise cancellation 
> and a host of other advanced communication skills, the $129.99 Voyager Edge 
> represents Plantronics' latest stab at a high-tech tool for mobile voice 
> chat. It sits alongside the company's popular Voyager Legend ($99.99), 
> another premium hands-free product. Additionally, the Edge replaces the 
> Discovery 975

Disconcerting DropBox issue

[Mike Busboom]

Hi.

I have a DropBox account with 1 TB and love it!  I have DropBox on my Mac, as 
well as on my iPhone 6.

A disconcerting problem that I have only recently started experiencing is that 
not all of the folders I created are appearing on my Mac.  The DropBox on my 
iPhone shows all twenty folders, but the DropBox on my MacBook only shows three 
or four of the folders.  I originally created all of the folders on my MacBook.

Does anyone know what I can do to regain access to all of my DropBox folders.  
I am concerned that if I remove the DropBox program from my MacBook and then 
re-install it, I could lose everything.

Any insights would be most useful and greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Mike 

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Re: HMA VPN on OSX

[Scott Granados]

They do different things. 

VPN though is very accessible, VNC I can’t speak to.

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I”ve been wondering about VPN but also wondered if VNC was accessible on the 
> Mac OSX platform?
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> Sent: Tuesday, 26 January 2016 5:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: HMA VPN on OSX
>  
> I’m not sure about the specific service but setting up a VPN in general is 
> very simple.  I myself use a hardware VPN device but services like this 
> should work the same way.  What problems specifically are you having 
> configuring or using the service?
>  
>  
> On Jan 25, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Andrew Lamanche  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Ben,
>  
> I've just started using it on my Mac.  The app is sort of accessible.  The 
> biggest problem so far I had when opening it for the first time, having 
> created an account on HMA's website.  It took me some time to work out how to 
> sign in because the signing in window must be a strange one, and I could only 
> find the username field and password when i used item chooser menu.  So the 
> window is there but when vo+arrowing round the main window, you can't find it 
> easily.  So use the item chooser menu.
>  
> It is also possible to configure vpn via Mac's network in system preferences 
> once you have an account with HMa.  The necessary details for that are found 
> on HMA website in your user area in vpn control panel section.  I'm not at 
> all adept at this, I've just started learning about vpn and its 
> configurations so I can't answer any more complex questions.
>  
> Hope this will help.  By the way, there are others on the list who know much 
> more about this, so please chip in to help Ben.
>  
> Andrew
> On 25 Jan 2016, at 08:53, Ben J. Bloomgren  > wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
>  
> has anybody successfully used the Hide My Ass virtual private network service 
> on OSX? I've used it beautifully on Android, iOS and Windows XP, but the Mac 
> eludes me yet. For those who don't know, Hide My Ass (name of service) is a 
> virtual private network (VPN) service which allows one to mask one's IP 
> address for things such as undoing the tzetze fly known as geoblocking.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Ben
> 
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Re: Disconcerting DropBox issue

[Phil Halton]

I'd check the synchronization in the account settings first. You'll need cited 
help unfortunately, this is one screen that you can't see the check/unchecked 
status with voiceover. Anyway, if you can get a cited friend to look at that 
synchronization screen you can look at the left side of each folder to see 
which are checked and unchecked. It's possible that something went wrong there 
and that many of your folders are not checked for synchronization. Good luck


Sent from my IPhone


> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I have a DropBox account with 1 TB and love it!  I have DropBox on my Mac, as 
> well as on my iPhone 6.
> 
> A disconcerting problem that I have only recently started experiencing is 
> that not all of the folders I created are appearing on my Mac.  The DropBox 
> on my iPhone shows all twenty folders, but the DropBox on my MacBook only 
> shows three or four of the folders.  I originally created all of the folders 
> on my MacBook.
> 
> Does anyone know what I can do to regain access to all of my DropBox folders. 
>  I am concerned that if I remove the DropBox program from my MacBook and then 
> re-install it, I could lose everything.
> 
> Any insights would be most useful and greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike 
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Re: Disconcerting DropBox issue

[Mike Busboom]

Hello Phil,

Thanks for the advice.  Are these account settings in the “Menus Extras” 
section of the Mac, where there is a DropBox dropdown menu, or where do I find 
them?

When I used Spotlight on my MacBook to locate folders in DropBox that weren’t 
showing up on the MacBook side of the equation, I came up empty.

Since I need sighted assistance that I may not have here at home, can you 
recommend a program that would enable someone to remotely look at my MacBook 
screen and assist me?

Thank you very much,

Mike
> On 26,Jan,2016, at 16:25, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> I'd check the synchronization in the account settings first. You'll need 
> cited help unfortunately, this is one screen that you can't see the 
> check/unchecked status with voiceover. Anyway, if you can get a cited friend 
> to look at that synchronization screen you can look at the left side of each 
> folder to see which are checked and unchecked. It's possible that something 
> went wrong there and that many of your folders are not checked for 
> synchronization. Good luck
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I have a DropBox account with 1 TB and love it!  I have DropBox on my Mac, 
>> as well as on my iPhone 6.
>> 
>> A disconcerting problem that I have only recently started experiencing is 
>> that not all of the folders I created are appearing on my Mac.  The DropBox 
>> on my iPhone shows all twenty folders, but the DropBox on my MacBook only 
>> shows three or four of the folders.  I originally created all of the folders 
>> on my MacBook.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what I can do to regain access to all of my DropBox 
>> folders.  I am concerned that if I remove the DropBox program from my 
>> MacBook and then re-install it, I could lose everything.
>> 
>> Any insights would be most useful and greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Mike 
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Is there any way to play a voice message in Skype on the Mac?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Question says it all.  I don't seem to be able to find a way to do this.
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Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Mary Otten]

Hi Scott,
Is the legend a current device? What I like about my old Voyager is that behind 
that ear loop. It feels very secure. And I don't have to stuff the tip into my 
ear. For me, that is a big deal. I'm not thrilled about the proprietary 
charging, but maybe that case would make it worth it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?
> 
> :)
> 
> As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both 
> of these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend 
> over the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or not.
> 
> The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good don’t 
> misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have tested 
> both in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful cooling and 
> tens of thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit easier for 
> the far end caller to hear in my experience and while both have excellent 
> battery life the legend is a bit better and will give you in my experience a 
> full work day.
>The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have to 
> use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can fit 
> behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.
> 
> I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light weight 
> version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  Similar to the 
> jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If what you want 
> though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best noise cancelation 
> and is designed for use in harsh environments the legend is for you.  Bottom 
> line though and I think Mark would agree both are great headsets.
> 
> I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
> excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet it 
> fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives you a 
> reset button so you can reset the hardware if needed which I haven’t had to 
> yet.
> 
> Nice to see another headset enthusiast.  Honestly I have yet to find one that 
> I would give 5 stars but I am very picky.
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Simon,
>> 
>> Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.
>> 
>> Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with a 
>> cNet review of the product.
>> 
>> I hope you find it useful.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Original Post from Mark:
>> Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth 
>> Single-Ear Headset
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided to 
>> purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  
>> 
>> Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example the 
>> proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager Edge.  
>> 
>> I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and responsive 
>> Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and used no fewer than
>> 18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
>> outstanding performance but returns to some industry standard protocols, for 
>> example, the original charging cable connection.  Like the Legend, it does 
>> have a hardware on and off button.  
>> 
>> What I really like about the Edge is that one can disable some of the 
>> features of the device, for instance, the auto Answer/Reject prompts.  There 
>> have been many times when I was talking to someone when a call came in and 
>> the headset, not a Plantronics, would automatically interpret my last spoken 
>> word as answer.  
>> 
>> Below I am pasting in a short cNet review of the Edge at the bottom of which 
>> you will find the URL to the review, itself.
>> 
>> Please note that the review was written almost a year ago.  The reason I 
>> mention this is that it states that the Edge cannot get 7 hours of talk 
>> time, as can the Legend.  However, this is no longer true.  The unit I just 
>> purchased gets over 7 hours of talk time.
>> 
>> Also, the Edge now ships with an over-the-ear loop and soft ear-jell tips.
>> 
>> In short, I would strongly recommend anyone who is in the market for a high 
>> performance blindness-friendly single-ear Bluetooth headset device consider 
>> the Voyager Edge.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> cNet Review:
>> The Good The Plantronics Voyager Edge packs outstanding call quality and 
>> noise cancellation. The headset is also light, comfortable to wear, and 
>> compact for a boom-style device. The Edge comes with a handy battery case 
>> for protection and charging on the go.
>> 
>> The Bad The Voyager Edge's ear tips don't form a tight audio seal and take 
>> some fiddling to position properly.
>> 
>> The Bottom Line The Plantronics Voyager Edge's 

Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Scott Granados]

The proprietary charging isn’t a big deal to me, Mark may wish to counter 
though as he felt more strongly about it.  It’s a regular USB port on one end 
and the other is a magnetic fit cable that cradles the base of the headset.  It 
works pretty well but it is non standard.

If you had the voyager it’s very similar.  The voyager pro is the preceding 
version to the legend if memory serves.  The legend is the current model and is 
available for about $60 or so on amazon which is much less than the $129 retail 
price so definitely shop it around.

The Voyager Edge though as Mark mentioned is very good.  Try them both out and 
pick the winner for you.:)


> On Jan 26, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> Is the legend a current device? What I like about my old Voyager is that 
> behind that ear loop. It feels very secure. And I don't have to stuff the tip 
> into my ear. For me, that is a big deal. I'm not thrilled about the 
> proprietary charging, but maybe that case would make it worth it.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both 
>> of these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend 
>> over the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or 
>> not.
>> 
>> The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good 
>> don’t misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have 
>> tested both in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful 
>> cooling and tens of thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit 
>> easier for the far end caller to hear in my experience and while both have 
>> excellent battery life the legend is a bit better and will give you in my 
>> experience a full work day.
>>   The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have to 
>> use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can fit 
>> behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.
>> 
>> I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light weight 
>> version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  Similar to the 
>> jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If what you want 
>> though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best noise cancelation 
>> and is designed for use in harsh environments the legend is for you.  Bottom 
>> line though and I think Mark would agree both are great headsets.
>> 
>> I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
>> excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet 
>> it fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives 
>> you a reset button so you can reset the hardware if needed which I haven’t 
>> had to yet.
>> 
>> Nice to see another headset enthusiast.  Honestly I have yet to find one 
>> that I would give 5 stars but I am very picky.
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Simon,
>>> 
>>> Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.
>>> 
>>> Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with a 
>>> cNet review of the product.
>>> 
>>> I hope you find it useful.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Original Post from Mark:
>>> Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth 
>>> Single-Ear Headset
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided 
>>> to purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  
>>> 
>>> Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example 
>>> the proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager Edge. 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and responsive 
>>> Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and used no fewer than
>>> 18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
>>> outstanding performance but returns to some industry standard protocols, 
>>> for example, the original charging cable connection.  Like the Legend, it 
>>> does have a hardware on and off button.  
>>> 
>>> What I really like about the Edge is that one can disable some of the 
>>> features of the device, for instance, the auto Answer/Reject prompts.  
>>> There have been many times when I was talking to someone when a call came 
>>> in and the headset, not a Plantronics, would automatically interpret my 
>>> last spoken word as answer.  
>>> 
>>> Below I am pasting in a short cNet review of the Edge at the bottom of 
>>> which you will find the URL to the review, itself.
>>> 
>>> Please note that the review was written almost a year ago.  The reason I 
>>> mention this is that it states that the Edge cannot get 7 hours of talk 
>>> time, as can the Legend.  However, this is n

Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Mary Otten]

Thanks. The legend it shall be. That behind the ear loop is a must-have in my 
book.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The proprietary charging isn’t a big deal to me, Mark may wish to counter 
> though as he felt more strongly about it.  It’s a regular USB port on one end 
> and the other is a magnetic fit cable that cradles the base of the headset.  
> It works pretty well but it is non standard.
> 
> If you had the voyager it’s very similar.  The voyager pro is the preceding 
> version to the legend if memory serves.  The legend is the current model and 
> is available for about $60 or so on amazon which is much less than the $129 
> retail price so definitely shop it around.
> 
> The Voyager Edge though as Mark mentioned is very good.  Try them both out 
> and pick the winner for you.:)
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> Is the legend a current device? What I like about my old Voyager is that 
>> behind that ear loop. It feels very secure. And I don't have to stuff the 
>> tip into my ear. For me, that is a big deal. I'm not thrilled about the 
>> proprietary charging, but maybe that case would make it worth it.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both 
>>> of these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend 
>>> over the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or 
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good 
>>> don’t misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have 
>>> tested both in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful 
>>> cooling and tens of thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit 
>>> easier for the far end caller to hear in my experience and while both have 
>>> excellent battery life the legend is a bit better and will give you in my 
>>> experience a full work day.
>>>  The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have to 
>>> use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can 
>>> fit behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.
>>> 
>>> I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light 
>>> weight version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  
>>> Similar to the jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If 
>>> what you want though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best 
>>> noise cancelation and is designed for use in harsh environments the legend 
>>> is for you.  Bottom line though and I think Mark would agree both are great 
>>> headsets.
>>> 
>>> I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
>>> excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet 
>>> it fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives 
>>> you a reset button so you can reset the hardware if needed which I haven’t 
>>> had to yet.
>>> 
>>> Nice to see another headset enthusiast.  Honestly I have yet to find one 
>>> that I would give 5 stars but I am very picky.
>>> 
 On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Simon,
 
 Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.
 
 Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with a 
 cNet review of the product.
 
 I hope you find it useful.
 
 Mark
 
 Original Post from Mark:
 Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth 
 Single-Ear Headset
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided 
 to purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  
 
 Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example 
 the proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager 
 Edge.  
 
 I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and responsive 
 Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and used no fewer than
 18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
 outstanding performance but returns to some industry standard protocols, 
 for example, the original charging cable connection.  Like the Legend, it 
 does have a hardware on and off button.  
 
 What I really like about the Edge is that one can disable some of the 
 features of the device, for instance, the auto Answer/Reject prompts.  
 There have been many times when I was talking to someone when a call came 
 in and the headset, not a Plantronics, would automatically interpret my 
 last spoken word as answer.  
 
 Below I am pasting in a short cNet review o

Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Scott Granados]

Just to make sure you have all the information to make the most informed 
decision, as mark mentioned, there is a removable behind the ear loop included 
with the edge as well.  Both can be fastened to your ear securely.  Just so you 
have the full facts.

Thanks

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. The legend it shall be. That behind the ear loop is a must-have in my 
> book.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> The proprietary charging isn’t a big deal to me, Mark may wish to counter 
>> though as he felt more strongly about it.  It’s a regular USB port on one 
>> end and the other is a magnetic fit cable that cradles the base of the 
>> headset.  It works pretty well but it is non standard.
>> 
>> If you had the voyager it’s very similar.  The voyager pro is the preceding 
>> version to the legend if memory serves.  The legend is the current model and 
>> is available for about $60 or so on amazon which is much less than the $129 
>> retail price so definitely shop it around.
>> 
>> The Voyager Edge though as Mark mentioned is very good.  Try them both out 
>> and pick the winner for you.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> Is the legend a current device? What I like about my old Voyager is that 
>>> behind that ear loop. It feels very secure. And I don't have to stuff the 
>>> tip into my ear. For me, that is a big deal. I'm not thrilled about the 
>>> proprietary charging, but maybe that case would make it worth it.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?
 
 :)
 
 As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like 
 both of these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the 
 Legend over the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m 
 nuts or not.
 
 The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good 
 don’t misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have 
 tested both in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful 
 cooling and tens of thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a 
 bit easier for the far end caller to hear in my experience and while both 
 have excellent battery life the legend is a bit better and will give you 
 in my experience a full work day.
 The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have to 
 use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can 
 fit behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.
 
 I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light 
 weight version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  
 Similar to the jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If 
 what you want though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best 
 noise cancelation and is designed for use in harsh environments the legend 
 is for you.  Bottom line though and I think Mark would agree both are 
 great headsets.
 
 I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
 excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet 
 it fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives 
 you a reset button so you can reset the hardware if needed which I haven’t 
 had to yet.
 
 Nice to see another headset enthusiast.  Honestly I have yet to find one 
 that I would give 5 stars but I am very picky.
 
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.
> 
> Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with 
> a cNet review of the product.
> 
> I hope you find it useful.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Original Post from Mark:
> Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth 
> Single-Ear Headset
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided 
> to purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  
> 
> Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example 
> the proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager 
> Edge.  
> 
> I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and responsive 
> Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and used no fewer than
> 18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
> outstanding performance but returns to some industry standard protocols, 
> for example, the original charging cable connection.  Like the Legend, it 
> does have a hardwa

Question From A Client About Voices

[BBS]

Hi guys. I'm writing this message for a client I'm teaching the Mac to.
We're having issues downloading the Nuance voices. She wants to be able to
use Samantha on her Mac like she does on her iPhone. We download it from the
Voiceover utility but when we try to use it, nothing happens. We tried
deleting it from her voices in her library and redownloading it but still it
doesn't want to work. She gave me a link to a podcast of some sort to learn
how to download the voices but I've done it so many times I don't really
need one. Any ideas? Because I'm really stumped at this point. Thanks in
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Blind drones and tech mailing list

[Scott Granados]

Hi all, hope Mark won’t mind but for folks on the android list you’ll have 
heard I’m experimenting with autonomous flight and drones specifically how the 
blind can use them or if the blind can even use them.  We’ve already 
established the if part and the answer is a definite yes so now we’re working 
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Voiceover being heard by other party in Skype calls on Mac

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I had hoped that by wearing headphones, I would be able to keep Voiceover 
speech from being audible to the person with whom I am talking on Skype, but 
that is not happening.  Voiceover comes through slightly delayed on the other 
end and it's very distracting.  Why is this happening?  I would think that if I 
have headphones on, Voiceover speech would be audible only to me.  Anyone know 
if there's a fix for this?
Thanks,
Donna

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Sometimes Can't Do Initial-Letter Navigation in Dock

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi guys,

Is it just me, or does it sometimes happen that initial-letter navigation in 
the dock simply does not work?

I especially notice this when I’m in Safari, trying to get quickly to some 
other app in the dock.  Sometimes it’s easier and simpler just to use my 
Applications shortcut, which is near the right end, or even to use Spotlight or 
the Applications folder from Finder.  Typing in the dock just doesn’t do 
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facebook chat for the mac

[Walter Harper]

Hello all,
Does anyone know if there is a facebook chat client for the mac?
Walter 

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Re: Sometimes Can't Do Initial-Letter Navigation in Dock

[E.T.]

   No but I have fond that I may need ot type the first two letters and 
that needs to be done quuickly. An example is Skype and Safari in that 
order on my dock. S will get me Skype but if I also type a right after 
the s I will get Safari which is what I want.


   I am finding some anomalies in El Cap but this is not one of them.

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On 1/26/2016 12:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi guys,

Is it just me, or does it sometimes happen that initial-letter navigation in 
the dock simply does not work?

I especially notice this when I’m in Safari, trying to get quickly to some 
other app in the dock.  Sometimes it’s easier and simpler just to use my 
Applications shortcut, which is near the right end, or even to use Spotlight or 
the Applications folder from Finder.  Typing in the dock just doesn’t do 
anything at all.

Cheers,
Sabahattin



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Re: El Capitan and Voiceover

[E.T.]

   Time Machine is ok. I was thrown off by sound effects which I will 
explore further.


   Will be looking at some odd behaviour though after I have used El 
Capitan for a while.


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For the most part the upgrade went well. I am seeing some
interesting and strange behaviors though.

First noticed it in App Store. I would lose VO and it took invoking
either Window or Application Chooser to straighten it out.

Just now, a new one. If I try to run Time Machine, I hear a sound
effect and VO repeats something a few times. Something about a timer
which I have never used on the Mac. Pressing escape gets rid of TM and
brings up a Finder window focused on the desktop which was not
previously open.

I know there are new things in El Cap but am sure this is not one of
them. (smiles) Any ideas on what to check out? Thanks.

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Re: any book scanner suggestions?

[Dionipher Herrera]

i was wondering about the snap scan s1300i if it can do books, it only says 
document scanner.
> On 26 Jan 2016, at 15:58, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> Yes, this is an iPhone product we're talking about.  OCR, even industrial 
> OCR, is really an all mobile job IMHO.
> 
> Best
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
> Sent from TypeApp 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Sharon Hooley  > wrote:
> So, since this is a question on the Mac Visionaries list, does it not work 
> with iPhones? That's what I would be most interested in.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Sharon H.
> 
> On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I can’t speak highly enough of the Fopydo stand with Book Reading Aid and 
>> KNFBReader. The book reading aid holds the book open and the stand keeps the 
>> iPhone at exactly the right position to take the perfect photo. KNFBReader 
>> allows you to add each newly scanned page to a document, and you can export 
>> to a number of formats, including RTF.
>> 
>> The Fopydo stand with Book Reading Aid costs $35 plus shipping. I know that 
>> shipping to France costs $12, making the total $47.
>> 
>> I’ve got a StandScan Pro and a Giraffe Reader, but the Fopydo is the one I’d 
>> recommend above all others because it is so convenient to use and makes 
>> reading a book a pleasure. I can sit with the Fopydo on my lap and read in 
>> comfort, turning the page as KNFBReader starts speaking.
>> 
>> Here’s the link:
>> >
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Jan 2016, at 14:34, Erik Burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,  I have a 5 mpx eyepal which served me well when I managed a business, 
>>> but which I no longer have a use for  and would be willing to sell.
>>> 
>>> Another good solution would be to buy a scanjig and use that with prismo or 
>>> knfb reader.  That would be cheaper than the eyepal, but it won't give you 
>>> a flip sides feature which is really handy for scanning books.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
>>> Sent from TypeApp 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Dionipher Herrera >> > wrote:
>>> i am planning to buy a scanner for school which is portable and i prefer 
>>> powered by using usb. thanks
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Re: Voiceover being heard by other party in Skype calls on Mac

[Scott Granados]

Because you’re like me growing up listening to all that rock and roll music to 
loud and you have your headphones on 11.:)


This sounds like a problem with the noise rejection and to me seems like weak 
sauce.  (that’s a professional assessment.  Is it possible you have the volume 
very high?  What about pairing a bluetooth headset with real noise rejection 
and using that as an audio source during calls?  It’s a work around but it 
should work.  Then again it should just work out of the box.

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I had hoped that by wearing headphones, I would be able to keep Voiceover 
> speech from being audible to the person with whom I am talking on Skype, but 
> that is not happening.  Voiceover comes through slightly delayed on the other 
> end and it's very distracting.  Why is this happening?  I would think that if 
> I have headphones on, Voiceover speech would be audible only to me.  Anyone 
> know if there's a fix for this?
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Re: Voiceover being heard by other party in Skype calls on Mac

[Donna Goodin]

Lol.  Yeah, definitely been there with the listening to loud rock on headphones 
at a young age.  But unlike you, I think I've mellowed a bit. :)

The headphones in question are the Apple earbuds., and no, volume not up super 
high. :)  Maybe those headphones just suck.  I do have a better set of BT 
headphones, maybe I'll test it with those.  Thanks, Scot!
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Because you’re like me growing up listening to all that rock and roll music 
> to loud and you have your headphones on 11.:)
> 
> 
> This sounds like a problem with the noise rejection and to me seems like weak 
> sauce.  (that’s a professional assessment.  Is it possible you have the 
> volume very high?  What about pairing a bluetooth headset with real noise 
> rejection and using that as an audio source during calls?  It’s a work around 
> but it should work.  Then again it should just work out of the box.
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I had hoped that by wearing headphones, I would be able to keep Voiceover 
>> speech from being audible to the person with whom I am talking on Skype, but 
>> that is not happening.  Voiceover comes through slightly delayed on the 
>> other end and it's very distracting.  Why is this happening?  I would think 
>> that if I have headphones on, Voiceover speech would be audible only to me.  
>> Anyone know if there's a fix for this?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Voiceover being heard by other party in Skype calls on Mac

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
A lot of earbuds with built-in mics do that, not just the Apple ones. What it 
is is the mic picking up your VoiceOver and system audio.. I’ve used just 
regular headphones without a mic, and this does not happen.
I hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Lol.  Yeah, definitely been there with the listening to loud rock on 
> headphones at a young age.  But unlike you, I think I've mellowed a bit. :)
> 
> The headphones in question are the Apple earbuds., and no, volume not up 
> super high. :)  Maybe those headphones just suck.  I do have a better set of 
> BT headphones, maybe I'll test it with those.  Thanks, Scot!
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Because you’re like me growing up listening to all that rock and roll music 
>> to loud and you have your headphones on 11.:)
>> 
>> 
>> This sounds like a problem with the noise rejection and to me seems like 
>> weak sauce.  (that’s a professional assessment.  Is it possible you have the 
>> volume very high?  What about pairing a bluetooth headset with real noise 
>> rejection and using that as an audio source during calls?  It’s a work 
>> around but it should work.  Then again it should just work out of the box.
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I had hoped that by wearing headphones, I would be able to keep Voiceover 
>>> speech from being audible to the person with whom I am talking on Skype, 
>>> but that is not happening.  Voiceover comes through slightly delayed on the 
>>> other end and it's very distracting.  Why is this happening?  I would think 
>>> that if I have headphones on, Voiceover speech would be audible only to me. 
>>>  Anyone know if there's a fix for this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Voiceover being heard by other party in Skype calls on Mac

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Jeff.  I do have another pair of headphones, I'll use those next time.
Cheers,
Donna 
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:27 PM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> A lot of earbuds with built-in mics do that, not just the Apple ones. What it 
> is is the mic picking up your VoiceOver and system audio.. I’ve used just 
> regular headphones without a mic, and this does not happen.
> I hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Lol.  Yeah, definitely been there with the listening to loud rock on 
>> headphones at a young age.  But unlike you, I think I've mellowed a bit. :)
>> 
>> The headphones in question are the Apple earbuds., and no, volume not up 
>> super high. :)  Maybe those headphones just suck.  I do have a better set of 
>> BT headphones, maybe I'll test it with those.  Thanks, Scot!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because you’re like me growing up listening to all that rock and roll music 
>>> to loud and you have your headphones on 11.:)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This sounds like a problem with the noise rejection and to me seems like 
>>> weak sauce.  (that’s a professional assessment.  Is it possible you have 
>>> the volume very high?  What about pairing a bluetooth headset with real 
>>> noise rejection and using that as an audio source during calls?  It’s a 
>>> work around but it should work.  Then again it should just work out of the 
>>> box.
>>> 
 On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I had hoped that by wearing headphones, I would be able to keep Voiceover 
 speech from being audible to the person with whom I am talking on Skype, 
 but that is not happening.  Voiceover comes through slightly delayed on 
 the other end and it's very distracting.  Why is this happening?  I would 
 think that if I have headphones on, Voiceover speech would be audible only 
 to me.  Anyone know if there's a fix for this?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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RE: facebook chat for the mac

[BBS]

Hi Walter. There used to be a good app for Facebook chat on the Mac called 
Trillian but with their recent update they've broken accessibility. I haven't 
checked for updates for a week to see if this is fixed because I've been using 
Miranda on Windows 10 all this time, but I will probably do that soon because 
I'll be going back to the Mac to get ready for my client. I'll report back if 
it's fixed.


Shawn
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Hello all,
Does anyone know if there is a facebook chat client for the mac?
Walter 

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Re: Disconcerting DropBox issue

[Phil Halton]

Yes, they are in the extras menu drop down for dropbox. Also not finding your 
folders with spotlight makes perfect sense because there are not on your Mac 
hard drive. If they are not synchronized they will not be placed on your Mac. I 
would definitely check those synchronization settings to see that all of your 
dropbox folders are checked. 

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> On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hello Phil,
> 
> Thanks for the advice.  Are these account settings in the “Menus Extras” 
> section of the Mac, where there is a DropBox dropdown menu, or where do I 
> find them?
> 
> When I used Spotlight on my MacBook to locate folders in DropBox that weren’t 
> showing up on the MacBook side of the equation, I came up empty.
> 
> Since I need sighted assistance that I may not have here at home, can you 
> recommend a program that would enable someone to remotely look at my MacBook 
> screen and assist me?
> 
> Thank you very much,
> 
> Mike
>> On 26,Jan,2016, at 16:25, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd check the synchronization in the account settings first. You'll need 
>> cited help unfortunately, this is one screen that you can't see the 
>> check/unchecked status with voiceover. Anyway, if you can get a cited friend 
>> to look at that synchronization screen you can look at the left side of each 
>> folder to see which are checked and unchecked. It's possible that something 
>> went wrong there and that many of your folders are not checked for 
>> synchronization. Good luck
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I have a DropBox account with 1 TB and love it!  I have DropBox on my Mac, 
>>> as well as on my iPhone 6.
>>> 
>>> A disconcerting problem that I have only recently started experiencing is 
>>> that not all of the folders I created are appearing on my Mac.  The DropBox 
>>> on my iPhone shows all twenty folders, but the DropBox on my MacBook only 
>>> shows three or four of the folders.  I originally created all of the 
>>> folders on my MacBook.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know what I can do to regain access to all of my DropBox 
>>> folders.  I am concerned that if I remove the DropBox program from my 
>>> MacBook and then re-install it, I could lose everything.
>>> 
>>> Any insights would be most useful and greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Mike 
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Re: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver

[Kevin Chao]

Similar discussion on AppleVis:
http://www.applevis.com/forum/os-x-mac-app-discussion/mac-chrome-voiceover

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:45 AM Erik Burggraaf 
wrote:

> Hi,  I've been using chrome for a few months now.  Some sites work in
> either chrome or safri, but not both.  So, there is still some flipflopping
> here.
>
> Benefits of chrome.
> Tab and bookmark sync to my Android phone.
> Integrated flash.
> Greater stability when loading large pages or sending forms.
>
> Disadvantages of chrome.
> No selecting text using shift and arrows.
> Instability of the item chooser.
> No article reader.
> No bookmarks bar and associated hotkeys.
>
> All in all, I'd rather have safari back, but I need a stable browser.
> Chrome is that, and safari isn't.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik
>
> Sent from TypeApp 
>
> On Jan 25, 2016, at 11:12 PM, "Ben J. Bloomgren" <
> ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Now that Rumola is available for Chrome (I say now because I just found this
>> out), Chrome is pretty nice. I don't see much difference between it versus
>> Lightning versus Safari.
>>
>> Ben
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kevin Chao" 
>> To: "macvisionaries" 
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 18:13
>> Subject: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver
>>
>>
>>  Hi,
>>>  Anyone using Chrome on Mac with VoiceOver as primary browser, such as
>>>  myself? Are there accessibility improvements that you feel are needed?
>>>  Thanks!
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RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Scott,

I think your analysis is spot-on and well-put.

I will defer to you as to which is the better with regard to noise 
cancellation.  I cannot tell a difference between the two but I do have some 
hearing loss that no doubt impairs my ability to judge.  I think they both 
sound great.

As for battery life, it would make sense that the Legend do slightly better as 
it's battery is larger.  

I love the fact that I can wear the Edge, without an ear-loop, comfortably.  
And, because the earpiece sits outside the ear-canal, I enjoy ambient sound, 
crucial to me when navigating about the city.  

Sometimes, I have honestly forgotten I was wearing the Edge.  A couple of weeks 
ago, I was searching for the darn thing when someone said, "Isn't that it, in 
your ear?"  It really is that lightweight and comfortable, to me.

The biggest deal-breaker for me is the Legends proprietary connector.  As a 
long-time Plantronics fan, discovering that they had changed the connector, on 
the Legend, just ticked me off--it's really that simple and I've never gotten 
over that resentment (smile).  How's that for honesty?  (smile)

When it's all said and done, I think both devices are world-class and worth the 
money.

Yes, it is nice to know that there is another headset enthusiast in the group.

Mark

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?

:)

As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both of 
these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend over 
the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or not.

The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good don’t 
misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have tested both 
in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful cooling and tens of 
thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit easier for the far end 
caller to hear in my experience and while both have excellent battery life the 
legend is a bit better and will give you in my experience a full work day.
The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have 
to use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can fit 
behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.

I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light weight 
version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  Similar to the 
jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If what you want 
though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best noise cancelation and 
is designed for use in harsh environments the legend is for you.  Bottom line 
though and I think Mark would agree both are great headsets.

I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet it 
fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives you a 
reset button so you can reset the hardware if needed which I haven’t had to yet.

Nice to see another headset enthusiast.  Honestly I have yet to find one that I 
would give 5 stars but I am very picky.

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.
> 
> Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with a 
> cNet review of the product.
> 
> I hope you find it useful.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Original Post from Mark:
> Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth 
> Single-Ear Headset
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided to 
> purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  
> 
> Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example the 
> proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager Edge.  
> 
> I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and 
> responsive Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and 
> used no fewer than
> 18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
> outstanding performance but returns to some industry standard protocols, for 
> example, the original charging cable connection.  Like the Legend, it does 
> have a hardware on and off button.  
> 
> What I really like about the Edge is that one can disable some of the 
> features of the device, for instance, the auto Answer/Reject prompts.  There 
> have been many times when I was talking to someone when a call came in and 
> the headset, not a Plantronics, would automatically interpret my last spoken 
> word as answer.  
> 
> Below I am pasting in a short cNet review of the Edge at the 

RE: Blind drones and tech mailing list

[M. Taylor]

Hi Scott,

This sounds fascinating.  

Thank you for giving us a "heads-up" and for the invitation.

Mark

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:49 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Blind drones and tech mailing list

Hi all, hope Mark won’t mind but for folks on the android list you’ll have 
heard I’m experimenting with autonomous flight and drones specifically how the 
blind can use them or if the blind can even use them.  We’ve already 
established the if part and the answer is a definite yes so now we’re working 
on the different devices, flight methods, different technologies and at this 
point just a general familiarization with the field.  Anyone interested please 
head to google groups and join the blind drones and tech list.  Drones are the 
specific area of interest but anything technology / accessibility related will 
be fair game.  I was originally going to do a strict comparison of Apple IOS 
verses Android and the drone flight options but it’s gotten much more involved 
so I think warrants it’s own list.  Anyway, anyone interested come on by and 
check it out or write me off list with your email address and I’ll add you

Thanks
Scott

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El Cap and App Store

[E.T.]

   This issue seems to be to be reproducable so I will describe what it is.

   I did a clean install of El Capitan 10.11.3 from Yosemite last 
weekend. I then did a restore from Time Machine but later found out the 
last backup was over a month old. So I selectively restored from Carbon 
Copy Cloner the 3rd party apps which I had updated just prior to the 
install. And the iTunes library.


   The issue comes up when I open the App Store. Voiceover does not 
finish speaking the fact, it acts as if something has taken its focus. I 
have to do a VO+f1+f1 and choose App Store to regain focus.


   This happens after a start up or restart, nothing else is running 
that I know of. Everything else that I have opened works fine. Any 
ideas? Thanks.


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Re: El Cap and App Store

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
I’m seeing this too, or something similar.But, when I command Tab out of the 
App Store, and back in again, it reads and everything shows up. But, when I 
just open the App Store, and try to read anything using standard VoiceOver 
commands, it just says, “App Store has no windows.”
I hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:08 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   This issue seems to be to be reproducable so I will describe what it is.
> 
>   I did a clean install of El Capitan 10.11.3 from Yosemite last weekend. I 
> then did a restore from Time Machine but later found out the last backup was 
> over a month old. So I selectively restored from Carbon Copy Cloner the 3rd 
> party apps which I had updated just prior to the install. And the iTunes 
> library.
> 
>   The issue comes up when I open the App Store. Voiceover does not finish 
> speaking the fact, it acts as if something has taken its focus. I have to do 
> a VO+f1+f1 and choose App Store to regain focus.
> 
>   This happens after a start up or restart, nothing else is running that I 
> know of. Everything else that I have opened works fine. Any ideas? Thanks.
> 
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Re: El Cap and App Store

[E.T.]

   Forgot about Cmd Tab. The other thinbg that happens is when I select 
Updates and stop interacting with the toolbar and interact with html 
content, it seems not to work correctly there. Maybe something to do 
with how El Capitan handles interacting?


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On 1/26/2016 7:12 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:

Hi,
I’m seeing this too, or something similar.But, when I command Tab out of the 
App Store, and back in again, it reads and everything shows up. But, when I 
just open the App Store, and try to read anything using standard VoiceOver 
commands, it just says, “App Store has no windows.”
I hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:08 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   This issue seems to be to be reproducable so I will describe what it is.

   I did a clean install of El Capitan 10.11.3 from Yosemite last weekend. I 
then did a restore from Time Machine but later found out the last backup was 
over a month old. So I selectively restored from Carbon Copy Cloner the 3rd 
party apps which I had updated just prior to the install. And the iTunes 
library.

   The issue comes up when I open the App Store. Voiceover does not finish 
speaking the fact, it acts as if something has taken its focus. I have to do a 
VO+f1+f1 and choose App Store to regain focus.

   This happens after a start up or restart, nothing else is running that I 
know of. Everything else that I have opened works fine. Any ideas? Thanks.

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Voiceover Hanging with Audio Cutting in and Out

[Kevin Shaw]

Further to a message I posted last week.
running 10.11.3 on mid-2009 Macbook Pro. I don’t customize Voiceover that much, 
so not running activities or anything like that.

I’m encountering and issue where system audio cuts in and out. Voiceover seems 
to hang while this is happening and picks up reading where it left off. I have 
turned off sound effects in VO Utility and the problem went away for a bit but 
now it’s back, as I thought there may have been audio interference. 

Wondering if anyone has encountered this. Could this be a hardware issue?

Kevin

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Re: El Cap and App Store

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
I’m seeing this too. I actually forgot about that issue until you mentioned it. 
A way to work around it is to press Command 4 I think it is to pull up Updates. 
If you look in the Store Menu I think it is, all these shortcuts are listed, 
and using them pulls everything up in the area where you can interact and read. 
I don’t know why it doesn’t work the other way like you have been doing it. But 
hey, at least you know it’s not just you. :)
HTH,
Jeffrey
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:27 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Forgot about Cmd Tab. The other thinbg that happens is when I select 
> Updates and stop interacting with the toolbar and interact with html content, 
> it seems not to work correctly there. Maybe something to do with how El 
> Capitan handles interacting?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 1/26/2016 7:12 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I’m seeing this too, or something similar.But, when I command Tab out of the 
>> App Store, and back in again, it reads and everything shows up. But, when I 
>> just open the App Store, and try to read anything using standard VoiceOver 
>> commands, it just says, “App Store has no windows.”
>> I hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:08 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   This issue seems to be to be reproducable so I will describe what it is.
>>> 
>>>   I did a clean install of El Capitan 10.11.3 from Yosemite last weekend. I 
>>> then did a restore from Time Machine but later found out the last backup 
>>> was over a month old. So I selectively restored from Carbon Copy Cloner the 
>>> 3rd party apps which I had updated just prior to the install. And the 
>>> iTunes library.
>>> 
>>>   The issue comes up when I open the App Store. Voiceover does not finish 
>>> speaking the fact, it acts as if something has taken its focus. I have to 
>>> do a VO+f1+f1 and choose App Store to regain focus.
>>> 
>>>   This happens after a start up or restart, nothing else is running that I 
>>> know of. Everything else that I have opened works fine. Any ideas? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: The Martian Released on iTunes, Audio Described

[Grant]

I’ve observed something interesting. When I search for this movie in the iTunes 
Store either on my Mac or iPhone, and bring up its details, the following is 
listed under the Languages heading for the primary language: "English (Dolby 
5.1, Subtitles, CC, AD)”. Presumably, CC stands for closed captioning while AD 
stands for audio description. So it looks like when a movie is described, it’ll 
be tagged with AD. I’m totally open to corrections if this is wrong.

I’m not sure how to tell for TV episodes, though, if in fact there are any 
described TV episodes on iTunes.

Cheers,

Grant

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Re: Blind drones and tech mailing list

[Scott Granados]

Hi, thanks, it’s pretty interesting and  we’ve had more success than I expected 
so far.  I’m running a surprising amount of the operation from the iPhone 6s+.:)


> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:53 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> This sounds fascinating.  
> 
> Thank you for giving us a "heads-up" and for the invitation.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:49 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
> Subject: Blind drones and tech mailing list
> 
> Hi all, hope Mark won’t mind but for folks on the android list you’ll have 
> heard I’m experimenting with autonomous flight and drones specifically how 
> the blind can use them or if the blind can even use them.  We’ve already 
> established the if part and the answer is a definite yes so now we’re working 
> on the different devices, flight methods, different technologies and at this 
> point just a general familiarization with the field.  Anyone interested 
> please head to google groups and join the blind drones and tech list.  Drones 
> are the specific area of interest but anything technology / accessibility 
> related will be fair game.  I was originally going to do a strict comparison 
> of Apple IOS verses Android and the drone flight options but it’s gotten much 
> more involved so I think warrants it’s own list.  Anyway, anyone interested 
> come on by and check it out or write me off list with your email address and 
> I’ll add you
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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The Fopydo Reading Aid Stand

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

Someone recently recommended  the Fopydo reading aid.  I'd like to know,  how 
expensive is it,  and is the direct website the only place you can buy it?  I 
found the description in Amazon, but it seems that this feature isn't available 
 to add to cart.  This is something I'm definitely interested in.

Thanks,

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RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Thanks, that article is good to read.

The comfort / fit seems to be a concern though, do you find yours comfortable 
now?


Cheers,


Simon f
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, 26 January 2016 9:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Hello Simon,

Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.

Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with a cNet 
review of the product.

I hope you find it useful.

Mark

Original Post from Mark:
Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth Single-Ear 
Headset

Hello Everyone,

After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided to 
purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  

Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example the 
proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager Edge.  

I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and responsive 
Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and used no fewer than
18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
outstanding performance but returns to some industry standard protocols, for 
example, the original charging cable connection.  Like the Legend, it does have 
a hardware on and off button.  

What I really like about the Edge is that one can disable some of the features 
of the device, for instance, the auto Answer/Reject prompts.  There have been 
many times when I was talking to someone when a call came in and the headset, 
not a Plantronics, would automatically interpret my last spoken word as answer. 
 

Below I am pasting in a short cNet review of the Edge at the bottom of which 
you will find the URL to the review, itself.

Please note that the review was written almost a year ago.  The reason I 
mention this is that it states that the Edge cannot get 7 hours of talk time, 
as can the Legend.  However, this is no longer true.  The unit I just purchased 
gets over 7 hours of talk time.

Also, the Edge now ships with an over-the-ear loop and soft ear-jell tips.

In short, I would strongly recommend anyone who is in the market for a high 
performance blindness-friendly single-ear Bluetooth headset device consider the 
Voyager Edge.

Mark

cNet Review:
The Good The Plantronics Voyager Edge packs outstanding call quality and noise 
cancellation. The headset is also light, comfortable to wear, and compact for a 
boom-style device. The Edge comes with a handy battery case for protection and 
charging on the go.

The Bad The Voyager Edge's ear tips don't form a tight audio seal and take some 
fiddling to position properly.

The Bottom Line The Plantronics Voyager Edge's impressive hands-free call 
quality and sleek size makes it a smarter buy than the fashionable Jawbone Era.

Equipped with support for multiple languages, aggressive noise cancellation and 
a host of other advanced communication skills, the $129.99 Voyager Edge 
represents Plantronics' latest stab at a high-tech tool for mobile voice chat. 
It sits alongside the company's popular Voyager Legend ($99.99), another 
premium hands-free product. Additionally, the Edge replaces the Discovery 975SE 
which was crafted to be as sleek as possible without sacrificing call quality.

Indeed despite it's compact size, the Edge uses the same impressive audio 
system as its big brother the Voyager Legend. This includes three discrete 
microphones and a boom arm to better pick up the words you say. The result is 
sound transmission that's equal to the Legend and cleaner than its chief 
competitor, the bite-sized Jawbone Era 2014 ($129). Of course the Edge can't 
match the Legend's 7-hour talk time or the Era's ultra-discreet de

Design
Continuing where the 975SE left off, the fresh Voyager Edge has the same 
distinctive diamond-shaped body. Relatively compact, the Edge sports a long, 
thin boom, too, which houses its microphone array. It also relies on a design 
that forgoes a bulky earloop, an approach the Legend and Jabra Motion take. 
Even though the Edge is a lot smaller than these gadgets, it's nowhere near as 
tiny as the bite-sized and recently refreshed Jawbone Era. But while the Era 
lacks any physical controls save for a power switch and multifunction button, 
the Voyager Edge sports a real volume rocker and voice command key. Like the 
Era, the Edge uses a standard Mini-USB port for charging up and interfacing 
with PCs.

As for wearing the Voyager and overall ear fit, I find that the Jawbone Era 
more comfortable than the Edge. That's because the Era's teardrop silicone ear 
gel is much softer than the tough, rubbery sleeve around the Edge's earbud. The 
Era also has a tighter seal and ultimately is more stable, probably since its 
pliable and pointed ear gel actually enters the ear canal. The result is I can 
rea

RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I wondered that myself but never thought to ask.

 And in only 8 years, help, 2 per year, and at  approx. $100 each if not more 
then he's making to much money.

 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2016 4:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?

:)

As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both of 
these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend over 
the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or not.

The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good don’t 
misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have tested both 
in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful cooling and tens of 
thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit easier for the far end 
caller to hear in my experience and while both have excellent battery life the 
legend is a bit better and will give you in my experience a full work day.
The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have 
to use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can fit 
behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.

I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light weight 
version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  Similar to the 
jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If what you want 
though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best noise cancelation and 
is designed for use in harsh environments the legend is for you.  Bottom line 
though and I think Mark would agree both are great headsets.

I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet it 
fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives you a 
reset button so you can reset the hardware if needed which I haven’t had to yet.

Nice to see another headset enthusiast.  Honestly I have yet to find one that I 
would give 5 stars but I am very picky.

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.
> 
> Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with a 
> cNet review of the product.
> 
> I hope you find it useful.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Original Post from Mark:
> Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth 
> Single-Ear Headset
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided to 
> purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  
> 
> Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example the 
> proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager Edge.  
> 
> I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and 
> responsive Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and 
> used no fewer than
> 18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
> outstanding performance but returns to some industry standard protocols, for 
> example, the original charging cable connection.  Like the Legend, it does 
> have a hardware on and off button.  
> 
> What I really like about the Edge is that one can disable some of the 
> features of the device, for instance, the auto Answer/Reject prompts.  There 
> have been many times when I was talking to someone when a call came in and 
> the headset, not a Plantronics, would automatically interpret my last spoken 
> word as answer.  
> 
> Below I am pasting in a short cNet review of the Edge at the bottom of which 
> you will find the URL to the review, itself.
> 
> Please note that the review was written almost a year ago.  The reason I 
> mention this is that it states that the Edge cannot get 7 hours of talk time, 
> as can the Legend.  However, this is no longer true.  The unit I just 
> purchased gets over 7 hours of talk time.
> 
> Also, the Edge now ships with an over-the-ear loop and soft ear-jell tips.
> 
> In short, I would strongly recommend anyone who is in the market for a high 
> performance blindness-friendly single-ear Bluetooth headset device consider 
> the Voyager Edge.
> 
> Mark
> 
> cNet Review:
> The Good The Plantronics Voyager Edge packs outstanding call quality and 
> noise cancellation. The headset is also light, comfortable to wear, and 
> compact for a boom-style device. The Edge comes with a handy battery case for 
> protection and charging on the go.
> 
> The Bad The Voyager Edge's ear tips don't form a tight audio seal and take 
> some fiddling to position properly.
> 
> The Bottom Line The Plantronics Voyager Edge's impressive hands-free call 
> quality and sleek size makes it a smarter 

RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Simon Fogarty]

I can confirm that my bose Bluetooth headset still drops the connection when I 
dial a number.

 It works fine before and while I dial the number to call but once I hit call 
it drops the Bluetooth connection.

I can power off the headset and back on a couple of times and it reconnects 
So I'm looking for something that doesn't drop the connection.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2016 4:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?

:)

As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both of 
these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend over 
the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or not.

The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good don’t 
misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have tested both 
in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful cooling and tens of 
thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit easier for the far end 
caller to hear in my experience and while both have excellent battery life the 
legend is a bit better and will give you in my experience a full work day.
The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have 
to use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can fit 
behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.

I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light weight 
version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  Similar to the 
jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If what you want 
though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best noise cancelation and 
is designed for use in harsh environments the legend is for you.  Bottom line 
though and I think Mark would agree both are great headsets.

I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet it 
fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives you a 
reset button so you can reset the hardware if needed which I haven’t had to yet.

Nice to see another headset enthusiast.  Honestly I have yet to find one that I 
would give 5 stars but I am very picky.

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.
> 
> Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with a 
> cNet review of the product.
> 
> I hope you find it useful.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Original Post from Mark:
> Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth 
> Single-Ear Headset
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided to 
> purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  
> 
> Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example the 
> proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager Edge.  
> 
> I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and 
> responsive Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and 
> used no fewer than
> 18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
> outstanding performance but returns to some industry standard protocols, for 
> example, the original charging cable connection.  Like the Legend, it does 
> have a hardware on and off button.  
> 
> What I really like about the Edge is that one can disable some of the 
> features of the device, for instance, the auto Answer/Reject prompts.  There 
> have been many times when I was talking to someone when a call came in and 
> the headset, not a Plantronics, would automatically interpret my last spoken 
> word as answer.  
> 
> Below I am pasting in a short cNet review of the Edge at the bottom of which 
> you will find the URL to the review, itself.
> 
> Please note that the review was written almost a year ago.  The reason I 
> mention this is that it states that the Edge cannot get 7 hours of talk time, 
> as can the Legend.  However, this is no longer true.  The unit I just 
> purchased gets over 7 hours of talk time.
> 
> Also, the Edge now ships with an over-the-ear loop and soft ear-jell tips.
> 
> In short, I would strongly recommend anyone who is in the market for a high 
> performance blindness-friendly single-ear Bluetooth headset device consider 
> the Voyager Edge.
> 
> Mark
> 
> cNet Review:
> The Good The Plantronics Voyager Edge packs outstanding call quality and 
> noise cancellation. The headset is also light, comfortable to wear, and 
> compact for a boom-style device. The Edge comes with a handy battery case for 
> protection and charging on the go.
> 
> The Bad The Voyager Edge's ear tips don't form a tight

Re: El Cap and App Store

[E.T.]

   That is a reminder for me to explore those menus more often. As 
always, its good to have more than one way to do something.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/26/2016 7:58 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:

Hi,
I’m seeing this too. I actually forgot about that issue until you mentioned it. 
A way to work around it is to press Command 4 I think it is to pull up Updates. 
If you look in the Store Menu I think it is, all these shortcuts are listed, 
and using them pulls everything up in the area where you can interact and read. 
I don’t know why it doesn’t work the other way like you have been doing it. But 
hey, at least you know it’s not just you. :)
HTH,
Jeffrey

On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:27 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   Forgot about Cmd Tab. The other thinbg that happens is when I select Updates 
and stop interacting with the toolbar and interact with html content, it seems 
not to work correctly there. Maybe something to do with how El Capitan handles 
interacting?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/26/2016 7:12 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:

Hi,
I’m seeing this too, or something similar.But, when I command Tab out of the 
App Store, and back in again, it reads and everything shows up. But, when I 
just open the App Store, and try to read anything using standard VoiceOver 
commands, it just says, “App Store has no windows.”
I hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:08 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   This issue seems to be to be reproducable so I will describe what it is.

   I did a clean install of El Capitan 10.11.3 from Yosemite last weekend. I 
then did a restore from Time Machine but later found out the last backup was 
over a month old. So I selectively restored from Carbon Copy Cloner the 3rd 
party apps which I had updated just prior to the install. And the iTunes 
library.

   The issue comes up when I open the App Store. Voiceover does not finish 
speaking the fact, it acts as if something has taken its focus. I have to do a 
VO+f1+f1 and choose App Store to regain focus.

   This happens after a start up or restart, nothing else is running that I 
know of. Everything else that I have opened works fine. Any ideas? Thanks.

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RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Simon Fogarty]

The edge having up to 16 hours battery life and 7 days stand by is good to hear.

 Can firmware on the edge be updated if needed?

I believe it can be on the jawbone devices, at least an old jawbone device I 
had it could.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2016 7:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Just to make sure you have all the information to make the most informed 
decision, as mark mentioned, there is a removable behind the ear loop included 
with the edge as well.  Both can be fastened to your ear securely.  Just so you 
have the full facts.

Thanks

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. The legend it shall be. That behind the ear loop is a must-have in my 
> book.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> The proprietary charging isn’t a big deal to me, Mark may wish to counter 
>> though as he felt more strongly about it.  It’s a regular USB port on one 
>> end and the other is a magnetic fit cable that cradles the base of the 
>> headset.  It works pretty well but it is non standard.
>> 
>> If you had the voyager it’s very similar.  The voyager pro is the preceding 
>> version to the legend if memory serves.  The legend is the current model and 
>> is available for about $60 or so on amazon which is much less than the $129 
>> retail price so definitely shop it around.
>> 
>> The Voyager Edge though as Mark mentioned is very good.  Try them 
>> both out and pick the winner for you.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> Is the legend a current device? What I like about my old Voyager is that 
>>> behind that ear loop. It feels very secure. And I don't have to stuff the 
>>> tip into my ear. For me, that is a big deal. I'm not thrilled about the 
>>> proprietary charging, but maybe that case would make it worth it.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?
 
 :)
 
 As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like 
 both of these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the 
 Legend over the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m 
 nuts or not.
 
 The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good 
 don’t misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have 
 tested both in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful 
 cooling and tens of thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a 
 bit easier for the far end caller to hear in my experience and while both 
 have excellent battery life the legend is a bit better and will give you 
 in my experience a full work day.
 The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have to 
 use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can 
 fit behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.
 
 I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light 
 weight version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  
 Similar to the jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If 
 what you want though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best 
 noise cancelation and is designed for use in harsh environments the legend 
 is for you.  Bottom line though and I think Mark would agree both are 
 great headsets.
 
 I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
 excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet 
 it fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives 
 you a reset button so you can reset the hardware if needed which I haven’t 
 had to yet.
 
 Nice to see another headset enthusiast.  Honestly I have yet to find one 
 that I would give 5 stars but I am very picky.
 
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.
> 
> Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with 
> a cNet review of the product.
> 
> I hope you find it useful.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Original Post from Mark:
> Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge 
> Bluetooth Single-Ear Headset
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided 
> to purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  
> 
> Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example 
> the proprietary charging co

RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Simon Fogarty]

So Scott and Mark,

 I assume as it's been around a while the legend doesn't use Bluetooth 4 and 
only pairs with 1 device where as the edge can take 2 at once.

 Also what is the difference between the legend and the legend UC

And is the legend as big as the documentation makes it sound?



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2016 3:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Hello Scott,

I think your analysis is spot-on and well-put.

I will defer to you as to which is the better with regard to noise 
cancellation.  I cannot tell a difference between the two but I do have some 
hearing loss that no doubt impairs my ability to judge.  I think they both 
sound great.

As for battery life, it would make sense that the Legend do slightly better as 
it's battery is larger.  

I love the fact that I can wear the Edge, without an ear-loop, comfortably.  
And, because the earpiece sits outside the ear-canal, I enjoy ambient sound, 
crucial to me when navigating about the city.  

Sometimes, I have honestly forgotten I was wearing the Edge.  A couple of weeks 
ago, I was searching for the darn thing when someone said, "Isn't that it, in 
your ear?"  It really is that lightweight and comfortable, to me.

The biggest deal-breaker for me is the Legends proprietary connector.  As a 
long-time Plantronics fan, discovering that they had changed the connector, on 
the Legend, just ticked me off--it's really that simple and I've never gotten 
over that resentment (smile).  How's that for honesty?  (smile)

When it's all said and done, I think both devices are world-class and worth the 
money.

Yes, it is nice to know that there is another headset enthusiast in the group.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?

:)

As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both of 
these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend over 
the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or not.

The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good don’t 
misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have tested both 
in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful cooling and tens of 
thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit easier for the far end 
caller to hear in my experience and while both have excellent battery life the 
legend is a bit better and will give you in my experience a full work day.
The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have 
to use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can fit 
behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.

I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light weight 
version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  Similar to the 
jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If what you want 
though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best noise cancelation and 
is designed for use in harsh environments the legend is for you.  Bottom line 
though and I think Mark would agree both are great headsets.

I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet it 
fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives you a 
reset button so you can reset the hardware if needed which I haven’t had to yet.

Nice to see another headset enthusiast.  Honestly I have yet to find one that I 
would give 5 stars but I am very picky.

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> Generally speaking, I recommend the Edge over the Legend.
> 
> Below I am going to paste in my original comments on the Edge along with a 
> cNet review of the product.
> 
> I hope you find it useful.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Original Post from Mark:
> Subject: I Strongly Recommend The Plantronics Voyager Edge Bluetooth 
> Single-Ear Headset
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> After all of the comments regarding the Voyager Legend headset, I decided to 
> purchase a new Bluetooth headset, also.  
> 
> Because of a couple of things I don't like about the Legend, for example the 
> proprietary charging connection, I decided to go with the Voyager Edge.  
> 
> I love this device.  It is absolutely the most comfortable and 
> responsive Bluetooth device I've owned, to date.  I have owned and 
> used no fewer than
> 18 Bluetooth headset devices since 2007.  The Edge builds on the Legend's 
> outstanding performance but retur

RE: El Cap and App Store

[Simon Fogarty]

Interesting,

 I had a friend ask me about this issue when they started running el capitan 
10.11.3 beta,
 Sounds like it wasn't fixed before going to production.

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On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2016 4:09 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: El Cap and App Store

This issue seems to be to be reproducable so I will describe what it is.

I did a clean install of El Capitan 10.11.3 from Yosemite last weekend. I 
then did a restore from Time Machine but later found out the last backup was 
over a month old. So I selectively restored from Carbon Copy Cloner the 3rd 
party apps which I had updated just prior to the install. And the iTunes 
library.

The issue comes up when I open the App Store. Voiceover does not finish 
speaking the fact, it acts as if something has taken its focus. I have to do a 
VO+f1+f1 and choose App Store to regain focus.

This happens after a start up or restart, nothing else is running that I 
know of. Everything else that I have opened works fine. Any ideas? Thanks.

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Re: El Cap and App Store

[E.T.]

   Just read on Applevis that indicates this bug existed in the initial 
release.


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On 1/26/2016 10:08 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Interesting,

  I had a friend ask me about this issue when they started running el capitan 
10.11.3 beta,
  Sounds like it wasn't fixed before going to production.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2016 4:09 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: El Cap and App Store

 This issue seems to be to be reproducable so I will describe what it is.

 I did a clean install of El Capitan 10.11.3 from Yosemite last weekend. I 
then did a restore from Time Machine but later found out the last backup was 
over a month old. So I selectively restored from Carbon Copy Cloner the 3rd 
party apps which I had updated just prior to the install. And the iTunes 
library.

 The issue comes up when I open the App Store. Voiceover does not finish 
speaking the fact, it acts as if something has taken its focus. I have to do a 
VO+f1+f1 and choose App Store to regain focus.

 This happens after a start up or restart, nothing else is running that I 
know of. Everything else that I have opened works fine. Any ideas? Thanks.

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RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Simon,

Yes, the Edge firmware can be updated; however, I have elected not to update 
mine.  I had a friend update his firmware and he was not happy with the results 
although I cannot remember why.  

My thinking is, if it works, leave it alone (smile).  

Like so many things in life, wearable technology is extremely personal.  It 
took me a long time to discover what it is I (1) want in a headset and (2) what 
I need in a headset.  I suspect the same is true for everyone.  

For me, I prefer single-ear devices that do not impede ambient noise and that 
have the smallest proverbial footprint with the greatest amount of playback 
features.  While I see well enough to use a soft on-off button, I prefer a 
hardware on/off switch.  I do not use my Bluetooth headset for high quality 
sound playback but simply as a way to quickly interact with my phone, while on 
the go.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

So Scott and Mark,

 I assume as it's been around a while the legend doesn't use Bluetooth 4 and 
only pairs with 1 device where as the edge can take 2 at once.

 Also what is the difference between the legend and the legend UC

And is the legend as big as the documentation makes it sound?



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2016 3:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Hello Scott,

I think your analysis is spot-on and well-put.

I will defer to you as to which is the better with regard to noise 
cancellation.  I cannot tell a difference between the two but I do have some 
hearing loss that no doubt impairs my ability to judge.  I think they both 
sound great.

As for battery life, it would make sense that the Legend do slightly better as 
it's battery is larger.  

I love the fact that I can wear the Edge, without an ear-loop, comfortably.  
And, because the earpiece sits outside the ear-canal, I enjoy ambient sound, 
crucial to me when navigating about the city.  

Sometimes, I have honestly forgotten I was wearing the Edge.  A couple of weeks 
ago, I was searching for the darn thing when someone said, "Isn't that it, in 
your ear?"  It really is that lightweight and comfortable, to me.

The biggest deal-breaker for me is the Legends proprietary connector.  As a 
long-time Plantronics fan, discovering that they had changed the connector, on 
the Legend, just ticked me off--it's really that simple and I've never gotten 
over that resentment (smile).  How's that for honesty?  (smile)

When it's all said and done, I think both devices are world-class and worth the 
money.

Yes, it is nice to know that there is another headset enthusiast in the group.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?

:)

As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both of 
these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend over 
the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or not.

The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good don’t 
misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have tested both 
in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful cooling and tens of 
thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit easier for the far end 
caller to hear in my experience and while both have excellent battery life the 
legend is a bit better and will give you in my experience a full work day.
The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have 
to use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can fit 
behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.

I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light weight 
version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  Similar to the 
jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If what you want 
though is a serious work horse that has the absolute best noise cancelation and 
is designed for use in harsh environments the legend is for you.  Bottom line 
though and I think Mark would agree both are great headsets.

I do like your point on the proprietary cable but I would point you at the 
excellent charging case you can get for the legend where using that magnet it 
fits nicely inside and gives you extra charges on the fly.  Also gives you a 
reset button so you can reset

RE: Voiceover Hanging with Audio Cutting in and Out

[M. Taylor]

Hello Kevin,

Have you confirmed your audio source in the Sound preferences pane?

A while back, I had installed a program that added an additional audio source 
to my list of possible sources.  From time-to-time, the source would switch to 
the third-party source at which time I would experience audio cut-out, such as 
you describe.

My point, just make certain that your output is set to your desired speakers 
such as the internal speakers.

Mark 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Shaw
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voiceover Hanging with Audio Cutting in and Out

Further to a message I posted last week.
running 10.11.3 on mid-2009 Macbook Pro. I don’t customize Voiceover that much, 
so not running activities or anything like that.

I’m encountering and issue where system audio cuts in and out. Voiceover seems 
to hang while this is happening and picks up reading where it left off. I have 
turned off sound effects in VO Utility and the problem went away for a bit but 
now it’s back, as I thought there may have been audio interference. 

Wondering if anyone has encountered this. Could this be a hardware issue?

Kevin

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RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Thanks again, Yes I fully agree with all thoughts.

If' I want to listen to music then I'll use my bose headphones  

This edge device sounds exactly what I'm after,and possibly some more.

 Regards,


Simon 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2016 7:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Hello Simon,

Yes, the Edge firmware can be updated; however, I have elected not to update 
mine.  I had a friend update his firmware and he was not happy with the results 
although I cannot remember why.  

My thinking is, if it works, leave it alone (smile).  

Like so many things in life, wearable technology is extremely personal.  It 
took me a long time to discover what it is I (1) want in a headset and (2) what 
I need in a headset.  I suspect the same is true for everyone.  

For me, I prefer single-ear devices that do not impede ambient noise and that 
have the smallest proverbial footprint with the greatest amount of playback 
features.  While I see well enough to use a soft on-off button, I prefer a 
hardware on/off switch.  I do not use my Bluetooth headset for high quality 
sound playback but simply as a way to quickly interact with my phone, while on 
the go.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

So Scott and Mark,

 I assume as it's been around a while the legend doesn't use Bluetooth 4 and 
only pairs with 1 device where as the edge can take 2 at once.

 Also what is the difference between the legend and the legend UC

And is the legend as big as the documentation makes it sound?



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2016 3:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Hello Scott,

I think your analysis is spot-on and well-put.

I will defer to you as to which is the better with regard to noise 
cancellation.  I cannot tell a difference between the two but I do have some 
hearing loss that no doubt impairs my ability to judge.  I think they both 
sound great.

As for battery life, it would make sense that the Legend do slightly better as 
it's battery is larger.  

I love the fact that I can wear the Edge, without an ear-loop, comfortably.  
And, because the earpiece sits outside the ear-canal, I enjoy ambient sound, 
crucial to me when navigating about the city.  

Sometimes, I have honestly forgotten I was wearing the Edge.  A couple of weeks 
ago, I was searching for the darn thing when someone said, "Isn't that it, in 
your ear?"  It really is that lightweight and comfortable, to me.

The biggest deal-breaker for me is the Legends proprietary connector.  As a 
long-time Plantronics fan, discovering that they had changed the connector, on 
the Legend, just ticked me off--it's really that simple and I've never gotten 
over that resentment (smile).  How's that for honesty?  (smile)

When it's all said and done, I think both devices are world-class and worth the 
money.

Yes, it is nice to know that there is another headset enthusiast in the group.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?

:)

As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both of 
these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend over 
the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or not.

The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good don’t 
misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have tested both 
in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful cooling and tens of 
thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit easier for the far end 
caller to hear in my experience and while both have excellent battery life the 
legend is a bit better and will give you in my experience a full work day.
The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have 
to use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can fit 
behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.

I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light weight 
version that you might wear to business meetings or out etc.  Similar to the 
jawbone it’s very stylish and has a stylized shape etc.  If what you want 

Re: The Fopydo Reading Aid Stand

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Sharon,

I’m the one who recommended the Fopydo stand with book reading aid. It costs 
$35 plus shipping which depends on where you are.
As far as I know, the book reading aid is not yet available from Amazon, so 
you’ll need to buy direct from the designer and manufacturer.

Cheers,

Anne
 

> On 27 Jan 2016, at 06:21, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Someone recently recommended  the Fopydo reading aid.  I'd like to know,  how 
> expensive is it,  and is the direct website the only place you can buy it?  I 
> found the description in Amazon, but it seems that this feature isn't 
> available  to add to cart.  This is something I'm definitely interested in.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sharon H.
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Re: El Cap and App Store

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

The (App Store focus) issue is on my list.  It’s been around since the 
beginnings of El Cap.

Report it to Apple …

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Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.

[David Chittenden]

Unfortunately, the legend is somewhat large, mainly do to its boom mic. The 
boom mic on my Legend was broken by my keys in my pocket after 6 weeks.

The Edge is similar, though a little smaller, and also has a long boom mic. The 
ear clip hurt my ear, so I gave it to my fiancé to use as a spare. She does not 
like the large boom mic, so keeps it in the glove box in her car.

My favourite bluetooth earpieces are no longer being manufactured, so any on 
sale, even if listed as new, are a few years old. Therefore, the bluetooth 
batteries will not be lasting more than a couple years in them.

I have been experimenting with cheap Asian bluetooth earpieces from eBay. Most 
are, as one would expect, complete junk. However, I have found two which are 
rather decent. One, at around $8 to $14 AUD are an absolute steel. This model 
sits in the ear, like a hearing aid. It can fall out if the head is shook to 
rapidly, but otherwise works quite well, even when walking on the sidewalks and 
streets. I now have four of them, and carry three at most times. The battery 
life is four to five hours, and they have only mild lag, so I can use it for 
typing with just some adjustment for myself.

The other, at $30 AUD, raps around the ear like the legend, but does not have 
the boom mic. Its battery lasts 5 to 6 hours. It has similar bluetooth 
performance.

Both require careful placement in the ear for good reception of the mic. Both 
use a standard condenser mic with no noise reduction or DSP.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Jan 2016, at 19:07, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So Scott and Mark,
> 
> I assume as it's been around a while the legend doesn't use Bluetooth 4 and 
> only pairs with 1 device where as the edge can take 2 at once.
> 
> Also what is the difference between the legend and the legend UC
> 
> And is the legend as big as the documentation makes it sound?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2016 3:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.
> 
> Hello Scott,
> 
> I think your analysis is spot-on and well-put.
> 
> I will defer to you as to which is the better with regard to noise 
> cancellation.  I cannot tell a difference between the two but I do have some 
> hearing loss that no doubt impairs my ability to judge.  I think they both 
> sound great.
> 
> As for battery life, it would make sense that the Legend do slightly better 
> as it's battery is larger.  
> 
> I love the fact that I can wear the Edge, without an ear-loop, comfortably.  
> And, because the earpiece sits outside the ear-canal, I enjoy ambient sound, 
> crucial to me when navigating about the city.  
> 
> Sometimes, I have honestly forgotten I was wearing the Edge.  A couple of 
> weeks ago, I was searching for the darn thing when someone said, "Isn't that 
> it, in your ear?"  It really is that lightweight and comfortable, to me.
> 
> The biggest deal-breaker for me is the Legends proprietary connector.  As a 
> long-time Plantronics fan, discovering that they had changed the connector, 
> on the Legend, just ticked me off--it's really that simple and I've never 
> gotten over that resentment (smile).  How's that for honesty?  (smile)
> 
> When it's all said and done, I think both devices are world-class and worth 
> the money.
> 
> Yes, it is nice to know that there is another headset enthusiast in the group.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Headphone bug still exists on the I phone.
> 
> Only 18 headsets Mark, why so few?
> 
> :)
> 
> As someone who also changes headsets like they do clothes, I also like both 
> of these head sets.  I however am the reverse of you and prefer the Legend 
> over the edge and heres my thoughts, let me know if you think I’m nuts or not.
> 
> The noise cancelation on the legend is the best.  The edge is very good don’t 
> misunderstand but the legend is just that little bit extra.  I have tested 
> both in very high noise environments (data centers with powerful cooling and 
> tens of thousands of nodes).  Both do well, the legend is a bit easier for 
> the far end caller to hear in my experience and while both have excellent 
> battery life the legend is a bit better and will give you in my experience a 
> full work day.
>The Edge is great for someone who wears glasses because you do not have to 
> use the loop to wear it safely and comfortably.  However, the legend can fit 
> behind your ear and while it’s more bulky glasses can be negotiated.
> 
> I would break them down this way.  The edge is the more stylish light