RE: Quick question about ICloud Drive

[Simon Fogarty]

I thought the idea of cloud storage was that you have a folder on your local 
machine that is actually located in the cloud environment with all your files 
in it, but it appears that those files are in the folder on your local machine
Like dropbox or one drive show.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 6:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quick question about ICloud Drive

So, if i remove them from my ICloud drive, they then're removed from my 
physical internal drive as well?  And, if I remove them from my local drive, 
then they get removed from the cloud?

Wow!  That's? really stupid?!

I thought the whole point of having cloud storage was so that you could have a 
separate place for offline storage that you later could access.

I get that there are ways with things like Text Edit and such to save in the 
cloud without it being local on my drive, but I'm saying all files and folders 
over all, regardless what software created 'em.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: Ray Foret Jr
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Quick question about ICloud Drive

My understanding of this is that though you have files on your iCloud drive, 
they MUST remain resident on your Mac's hard drive.  In other words, just 
because files go to your iCloud drive does not remove them from your physical 
drive.


!
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On my mac, I can go to the Finder, and obviously access my ICloud Drive cloud 
storage with command+shift+I.  What I'm curious however to know is, if I paste 
something in there, thereby uploading it to my ICloud Drive,  do the files in 
that folder reside on my internal macintosh HD?

In other words, do the files in my ICloud Drive have to also reside on my mac, 
or can I keep my hard drive free of storage, and only store those files/access 
those files from the cloud without then physically being downloaded locally?

I hope that makes sense what I'm asking.

Chris.

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RE: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)

[Simon Fogarty]

It shouldn't 
Android devices don't need a button to enable talkback.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 8:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)

If Apple decides to Remove its HomeButton, will that impact OurAbility to 
Independently activate VoiceOver WithOut Ol'Sighty(SightedAssistance)? I 
presume with Apple's 3DTouch, the HomeButton may not be a Necessity as it once 
was, but I prefer it. JustSaying


At 11:52 AM 1/20/2016, you wrote:
>It is best to let apple know that there is many customers out there 
>that like to use the 3.5mm headphone connector now at this time,  not 
>later, when the 3.5mm is gone on the next model.
>Ehen it is gone it is gone. To late.
>
>Take care
>
>20. jan. 2016 kl. 12:06 skrev Bill Gallik :
>
>I have to wonder if Apple is really planning on changing the headphone 
>jack.  I also wonder if the eventual iPhone 7 will come complete with 
>the necessary audio jack adapter included?
>
>But the bottom line to me is  this, if Apple does incorporate an 
>alternative connection to the current jack do people truly believe it 
>is only to pry additional dollars from the pockets of a remarkably 
>loyal customer base?  Or, as I personally believe to be the case, to 
>provide a technically superior feature?
>
>I have no reason nor evidence to believe that Apple is foolish enough 
>to make a technical alteration solely for the purpose of forcing loyal 
>customers to be required to part with additional monies.  For my money, 
>if Apple alters the headphone jack I audio believe they are doing to 
>offer an improved experience.  I recall when the 35 MM jack was 
>introduced several decades ago, the proponents of the formerly 
>preponderant quarter inch jack likewise protested (although not quite 
>so loudly).  For my money, I’ll patiently wait to see what Apple has 
>indeed done and pass judgment after experiencing what most likely be an 
>improvement.
>
>
>€”—
>Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>
>wfgal...@icloud.com
>
>
>
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RE: Need a bit of USB sound education

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey there folks,

On a lot of lower end 5.1 systems, you have only 3 3.5mm jacks to come out of 
the sound card  of the machine its being connected to.

These then lead to a sub or amp of some kind which then allows you to run each 
of your speakers off to their separate locations.

I had this type of config with a Logitech 5.1  system,power went in to an amp / 
subwoofer device and the front rear and centre speakers run off that with 
standard speaker cable.

I think this is more the way things should be configured but it’s the coming 
out of the Mac with USB and that splitting in to the 3 separate lines to the 
control device.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 9:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

Wow, that's a... pardon the pun, very unorthodox, setup.  Usually, you'd not 
have one cable to do both left and right channels unless it was a Y cable.  Let 
me ask you this.

The green cable you have for left and right... is it just one plug on each end 
of that cord, or two plugs?  I'm trying to get my head around how you're 
getting left and right separation in the stereo spectrom on only one cord.  The 
only thing I could think is it's a stereo balanced crossover cable.  If that's 
the case, then yeah, ok, I could see it.

What, however, I do! find really really strange though is why that red/orange, 
call it as you will, cord is doing your center and! your sub.  Normally, you'd 
want your center speaker to be totally on a seperet channel from your left or 
right, and you definitely! definitely would not want those lower end 
frequencies say around 80HZ and lower to be sent to your center.  Generally, 
your center should roll off everything on an average about 150HZ and lower.  
Your satellites should go about 150 down to about 80HZ, then your sub would 
crossover at that point at about 80 down to about 25-30.  Again, this is only 
an average estimate.  Each type of speaker will greatly vary in frequency 
response.  My point though is, If you're using one cable for the sub woofer, 
and that same cable/jack is powerring your center, then that seems really weird 
to me!  I'd think that would make your speakers sound horribly! out of phase.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: Bill Holton
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: Need a bit of USB sound education

Hi.
Yes,  it screws up on the other Mac as well, so assuming it is a sound card 
issue.  My current speakers have three cables
Black = Rear left and right. .
Green = Front left and right.
Orange = Center and Subwoofer.
And I do not know what this type of sound interface is called.  Any suggestions 
appreciated.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

but your mac isn't what's producing the sound in this case.  The question isn't 
does your mac have optical, at which, the answer is no, by the way.  The 
question is, does your USB interface have optical out?

I do agree that would give you a better sound.  Either that, or SPDIF, 
sometimes pronounced spiddif.

I still however tend to think this is a bigger issue than your speaker setup.  
It sounds more like there is something going on within the USB connection from 
your mac to the USB interface.  I don't think your speakers are the problem 
here, honestly, based on what you're telling us.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: Bill Holton
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

I was told my mac mini didn't have an optical out. Is it the same jack that you 
would normally take audio out of?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2016, at 11:43 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
If you are trying to get 5.1 out of your Mac, does your amp have an optical 
input? If so, it might be easier to skip all the USB stuff and just run optical 
from the mini to your surround-sound amp.

CB
On 1/18/16 9:57 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
Hi.
My wife says they are green, orange—red?—and black.  The USB cable goes into 
the box, those three cables go to my 5.1 system subwoofer, the subwoofer has 
the amp, I am guessing, and there are five audio cable jacks in it that lead to 
the left, right, satellite, and center channels.  The speakers also have a 
large cable with a volume know, a headphone jack, and dial for bass/treble, and 
another that does incr

RE: Sharing Wifi Internet from Mac to Windows 10 laptop

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah it should work fine, we've done this at work for similar type reasons 

 When internet connection sharing is onon the mac device,

On the windows laptop hold down the windows key and press the I key at the same 
time, 
Arrow across to the  network and internet  option and hit enter,
 Tab or move with the mouse down through the different tabs, the first default 
tab should give you wifi / wireless etc,
Next is wireless settings, the third should be a list of the available wifi 
netowrks 
Scrole through this with arrow keys until you find the name of the wifi 
connection share of the mac then enter on it then tab twice to connect, 
Entering on this should bring up the authentication prompt.

One tab here would have or should have given the option to connect 
automatically which you can tick or untick.

 Hope this helps.

Simon f
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 11:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sharing Wifi Internet from Mac to Windows 10 laptop

Hi all. I'm wanting to know if anyone can help with this. My friend, a college 
kid, has a brand new Windows 10 laptop. My Mac can connect to the 
poor-performing Wifi we have here at the training center for people with 
disabilities here, but his laptop can't. So I'm wondering if I can use the 
Internet sharing feature of the Mac and give him a little help. I've tried 
Bluetooth PAN, but I'm not sure how to set his laptop up to work with that from 
the Mac. Any help?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Sharing Wifi Internet from Mac to Windows 10 laptop

[Simon Fogarty]

Sorry, missed that part 

No you can't share wifi if your connected by wifi 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 11:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sharing Wifi Internet from Mac to Windows 10 laptop

I don't think you can be on wifi and re-share it out as wifi. You can be on 
wifi and re-share it out over a Cat5 LAN cable to your friends laptop or even 
another wifi router if you have an old one laying around. Or, if you were on a 
LAN cable you could re-share it out as wifi.

CB

On 1/20/16 5:03 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
> Hi all. I'm wanting to know if anyone can help with this. My friend, a 
> college kid, has a brand new Windows 10 laptop. My Mac can connect to the 
> poor-performing Wifi we have here at the training center for people with 
> disabilities here, but his laptop can't. So I'm wondering if I can use the 
> Internet sharing feature of the Mac and give him a little help. I've tried 
> Bluetooth PAN, but I'm not sure how to set his laptop up to work with that 
> from the Mac. Any help?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

[Terje Strømberg]

Often it is the usb driver from the usb manufactor device that is the problem. 
Often it is possible to download usb drivers from the developers website. I 
recommend trying this first. 

Take care

21. jan. 2016 kl. 09:54 skrev Simon Fogarty :

Hey there folks,
 
On a lot of lower end 5.1 systems, you have only 3 3.5mm jacks to come out of 
the sound card  of the machine its being connected to.
 
These then lead to a sub or amp of some kind which then allows you to run each 
of your speakers off to their separate locations.
 
I had this type of config with a Logitech 5.1  system,power went in to an amp / 
subwoofer device and the front rear and centre speakers run off that with 
standard speaker cable.
 
I think this is more the way things should be configured but it’s the coming 
out of the Mac with USB and that splitting in to the 3 separate lines to the 
control device.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 9:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education
 
Wow, that's a... pardon the pun, very unorthodox, setup.  Usually, you'd not 
have one cable to do both left and right channels unless it was a Y cable.  Let 
me ask you this.
 
The green cable you have for left and right... is it just one plug on each end 
of that cord, or two plugs?  I'm trying to get my head around how you're 
getting left and right separation in the stereo spectrom on only one cord.  The 
only thing I could think is it's a stereo balanced crossover cable.  If that's 
the case, then yeah, ok, I could see it.
 
What, however, I do! find really really strange though is why that red/orange, 
call it as you will, cord is doing your center and! your sub.  Normally, you'd 
want your center speaker to be totally on a seperet channel from your left or 
right, and you definitely! definitely would not want those lower end 
frequencies say around 80HZ and lower to be sent to your center.  Generally, 
your center should roll off everything on an average about 150HZ and lower.  
Your satellites should go about 150 down to about 80HZ, then your sub would 
crossover at that point at about 80 down to about 25-30.  Again, this is only 
an average estimate.  Each type of speaker will greatly vary in frequency 
response.  My point though is, If you're using one cable for the sub woofer, 
and that same cable/jack is powerring your center, then that seems really weird 
to me!  I'd think that would make your speakers sound horribly! out of phase.
 
Chris.
 
- Original Message -
From: Bill Holton
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: Need a bit of USB sound education
 
Hi.
Yes,  it screws up on the other Mac as well, so assuming it is a sound card 
issue.  My current speakers have three cables
Black = Rear left and right. .
Green = Front left and right.
Orange = Center and Subwoofer.
And I do not know what this type of sound interface is called.  Any suggestions 
appreciated.
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education
 
but your mac isn't what's producing the sound in this case.  The question isn't 
does your mac have optical, at which, the answer is no, by the way.  The 
question is, does your USB interface have optical out?
 
I do agree that would give you a better sound.  Either that, or SPDIF, 
sometimes pronounced spiddif.
 
I still however tend to think this is a bigger issue than your speaker setup.  
It sounds more like there is something going on within the USB connection from 
your mac to the USB interface.  I don't think your speakers are the problem 
here, honestly, based on what you're telling us.
 
Chris.
 
- Original Message -
From: Bill Holton
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education
 
I was told my mac mini didn't have an optical out. Is it the same jack that you 
would normally take audio out of?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2016, at 11:43 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

If you are trying to get 5.1 out of your Mac, does your amp have an optical 
input? If so, it might be easier to skip all the USB stuff and just run optical 
from the mini to your surround-sound amp.

CB

On 1/18/16 9:57 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
Hi.
My wife says they are green, orange—red?—and black.  The USB cable goes into 
the box, those three cables go to my 5.1 system subwoofer, the subwoofer has 
the amp, I am guessing, and there are five audio cable jacks in it that lead to 
the left, right, satellite, and center channels.  The speakers also have a 
large cable with a volume know, a headphone jack, and dial for bass/treble, and 
another tha

Re: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)

[David Chittenden]

True, and it is more involved to activate TalkBack each time for a blind person 
independently.

Yes, I am now working with both a Google Nexus and an Acer Google ChromeBook. 
Note: I have not yet installed BrailleBack onto the Nexus. I have not been able 
to get braille working on the ChromeBook.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Jan 2016, at 21:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> It shouldn't 
> Android devices don't need a button to enable talkback.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
> Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 8:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)
> 
> If Apple decides to Remove its HomeButton, will that impact OurAbility to 
> Independently activate VoiceOver WithOut Ol'Sighty(SightedAssistance)? I 
> presume with Apple's 3DTouch, the HomeButton may not be a Necessity as it 
> once was, but I prefer it. JustSaying
> 
> 
> At 11:52 AM 1/20/2016, you wrote:
>> It is best to let apple know that there is many customers out there 
>> that like to use the 3.5mm headphone connector now at this time,  not 
>> later, when the 3.5mm is gone on the next model.
>> Ehen it is gone it is gone. To late.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 20. jan. 2016 kl. 12:06 skrev Bill Gallik :
>> 
>> I have to wonder if Apple is really planning on changing the headphone 
>> jack.  I also wonder if the eventual iPhone 7 will come complete with 
>> the necessary audio jack adapter included?
>> 
>> But the bottom line to me is  this, if Apple does incorporate an 
>> alternative connection to the current jack do people truly believe it 
>> is only to pry additional dollars from the pockets of a remarkably 
>> loyal customer base?  Or, as I personally believe to be the case, to 
>> provide a technically superior feature?
>> 
>> I have no reason nor evidence to believe that Apple is foolish enough 
>> to make a technical alteration solely for the purpose of forcing loyal 
>> customers to be required to part with additional monies.  For my money, 
>> if Apple alters the headphone jack I audio believe they are doing to 
>> offer an improved experience.  I recall when the 35 MM jack was 
>> introduced several decades ago, the proponents of the formerly 
>> preponderant quarter inch jack likewise protested (although not quite 
>> so loudly).  For my money, I’ll patiently wait to see what Apple has 
>> indeed done and pass judgment after experiencing what most likely be an 
>> improvement.
>> 
>> 
>> €”—
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

[Terje Strømberg]

Meridian company is on to something that can become a promising high quality 
hifi audio sound. Tidal is one compaany that will have some amount fo songs in 
their library, maybe before this summer. If it is good, others will follow or 
already is. http://www.mqa.co.uk

Take care



21. jan. 2016 kl. 01:25 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :

Well, you could certainly keep AIFF or Wav files, and they’d be a lot easier to 
edit, but no, I was thinking of compressed lossless encoders like FLAC and 
ALAC.  ALAC is Apple’s codec and is used by AirPlay and supported by iTunes.  
FLAC is an open format supported by most everybody else.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

[Terje Strømberg]

Ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja. Agree! The future is great!

Take care

21. jan. 2016 kl. 11:16 skrev Terje Strømberg :

Meridian company is on to something that can become a promising high quality 
hifi audio sound. Tidal is one compaany that will have some amount fo songs in 
their library, maybe before this summer. If it is good, others will follow or 
already is. http://www.mqa.co.uk

Take care



21. jan. 2016 kl. 01:25 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :

Well, you could certainly keep AIFF or Wav files, and they’d be a lot easier to 
edit, but no, I was thinking of compressed lossless encoders like FLAC and 
ALAC.  ALAC is Apple’s codec and is used by AirPlay and supported by iTunes.  
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Grant,

Sorry if my message sounded a little snarky.  That wasn't my intent at all.  I 
was very tired, and probably should have just gone to bed and responded to your 
message in the morning. :)

I agree that blocking all Apple domains is pretty drastic, I certainly wouldn't 
want to do it.  I think, though, that he's frustrated enough with Apple on this 
that he's going to do it as a matter of principle.  When I sent him the link, 
he said he had already blocked one of the domains, just didn't know about the 
second one.  Happily, he's very technologically savvy, so if he runs into 
trouble, he'll know how to unblock the domains.

I have to agree with him about Apple.  There are lots of reasons people might 
not want to upgrade, and they should have the option not to, without being 
pestered about it by their devices every day.  I've certainly learned something 
from all this, I will *never* have my cell carrier as my ISP. lol
Take care,
Donna

> On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:44 PM, Grant  wrote:
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> Hey Donna,
> 
> My bad. I did miss the fact that your friend is using a cellular provider as 
> his ISP.
> 
> Blocking all Apple domains at the router level definitely should do the 
> trick, but he may wish to test his devices as I’d guess tons of other 
> critical Apple services won’t work either. I wonder if there’s a subdomain he 
> could block instead that might not be so drastic. It certainly would be nice 
> to have a way of turning off automatic downloads of iOS updates.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Grant
> 
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Grant,
>> 
>> With all due respect, read the earlier messages in this thread.  The problem 
>> is that my friend's cellular provider is also his ISP.  He has a shared data 
>> pool for both wifi and cellular.  So theoretically, yes, he could run around 
>> the house every night turning wifi off on all his devices so that nothing 
>> ever downloaded, but that's a really dumb solution to a problem that 
>> wouldn't exist were Apple not trying to force people into something they 
>> didn't want to do.  Actually, Sabahattin's article helped.  What my friend 
>> did do was block all Apple domains from his home IP.  It's a pretty radical 
>> solution that should not be necessary, but hopefully one that will work for 
>> him.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: What am I missing with Notes

[Donna Goodin]

Wow, David, that new select feature is so cool!  Thanks for posting about it, I 
had totally missed it.  I'd always avoided doing anything other than Select 
all, because it was such a pain to try and select smaller chunks of text.  
Again, thanks for bringing this feature to my attention.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 20, 2016, at 6:46 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> The first few words of the note are the note's label, or title. Use a return 
> symbol to end the title.
> 
> IOS 9 introduced a nifty new selection feature. Go to help, general, 
> accessibility, voiceover, rotor, and find select. Double-tap it to check it. 
> Now, select is added to the rotor.
> 
> Place VO at the beginning of the desired text. Turn the rotor to select. Use 
> the vertical flick to set the amount (character, word, Etc) and use the right 
> flick to select by the particular category. Use the left flick to unselect 
> previously selected text.
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> When finished selecting, turn the rotor to edit. Use the vertical flick to 
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>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Been haring people love the updated notes app so figured I would give it a 
>> try using it on both the mac and iPhone. Would love to hear what I am 
>> missing here as I tried creating a number to do list and when I go to delete 
>> something from the list you cannot easily highlight the text to delete it. 
>> When I finally get something deleted the numbers from the list are all 
>> screwed up. What am I missing here. Also how in the world do you label a 
>> note as there is no save or way that I have found to give a note a name. All 
>> my notes just seem to start with the first few words that are written in the 
>> note. Any suggestions is appreciated. Thanks,
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

[Scott Granados]

Remember that original CDs are not lossy I don’t believe.  If memory serves it 
was 44.1 KHZ stereo uncompressed which used a little less than 10 megabytes per 
minute.  So a 655 megabyte CD holds roughly and I mean roughly 70 minutes of 
audio.  So I think it fits.

> On Jan 20, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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> I don't think a 700MB regular CD can hold an album of lossless audio, can it? 
> With each song being a good 50MB or so?
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>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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>> I seem to be very lucky in not being among those frequently beset by AirPlay 
>> dropouts, but in any case it and Kleer are worthwhile investments for me.  I 
>> need lossless quality.  Maybe not higher definition, but certainly lossless. 
>>  Encoders are the problem.  Really.  If we could just get decent 
>> close-to-original-masters on CD instead of the compressed crap we get 
>> nowadays, things could be so much better.
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>> And as for high-def, I’m generally in the “More is better” camp.  We shall 
>> have to see, but just like religions of all kinds, I’d prefer not to 
>> discount it outright.
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Re: Tables in pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Marie,

Have you tried reducing the verbosity level to Low?

Cheers,

Anne


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> coordinates, especially the way I’m using the table. I work with my guitar 
> teacher and we put the lesson in a table, kind of like a tablature for those 
> who play guitar.  It is also driving him nuts! He’s trying to tell me 
> something and the speech is going on with, g4 empty cell, or insertion at end 
> of text.  I already, called disability support and they didn’t know how to 
> get v/o to stop giving all this information.  Do any of you have any 
> suggestions? It isn’t in the headers, it’s in every cell!
> 
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OT: Why Can I Not Get a Full Photo Image to Post on Twitter Profile?

[Christine Grassman]

I have tried both using my iPhone and my MacBook Air to add a profile 
picture on Twitter.  However, despite asking for sighted assistance, a clear, 
full image is showing only a partial image, very tiny, with no apparent way to 
change it from within Tweetlist or on Twitter on the MacBook. Am I missing 
something? I do not have any Apple device experts in the vicinity, and am 
hoping someone can offer some help. I wanted to liven up my blog and Twitter 
accounts with some pictures, but if I am questioning their clarity every time 
it hardly seems worth it. Any tips would be very greatly appreciated. 
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Re: remote access

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Interesting. I might have to get that. App store shows server as being 
$20. Do you just upgrade your existing OSX install or does it wipe 
everything? When OSX gets upgraded do you have to buy the upgraded 
server as well or are updates free like in the non-server version?


CB

On 1/20/16 11:25 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Caching service is definitely worth it for me because my bandwidth is metered 
(in a good way) and I’m annoyed by how long and how bandwidth-wasting the 
multiple-device update cycle and voice pack reinstallations are.  Nowadays it 
also helps with iCloud documents and photos too, and that’s quite a packet 
because the cache will store data that you put as well as get, in effect 
completely nullifying many document and photo accesses.  At first it was 
difficult to do because the cache would get wiped out every time I did a 
reinstall on the iMac I ran it on, but now that I have a Mini dedicated to OS X 
Server (again) on top of the Mac Mini Server it replaced (now running Linux) 
it’s back to being useful.  That Mini will just run and run, never get 
reinstalled and just get updated from time to time, and will provide a cache 
for as long as I need it to.  And because it’s a Mini, it’s small and silent 
and power-efficient.  Very cool.  I hope that Apple continues to push forward 
with the things that the server will cache, specifically FairPlay-protected 
movies, but it’s not here yet.  My only caution is that you not try to relocate 
the server volume; the cache is tied to the machine it is built on, and so 
trying to move the installation will cause its destruction (as I found out the 
hard way, losing me 70 GB of active cache).  The server is part of Server.app 
and as long as the clients all use the same public IPv4 address (with NAT, 
usually) the cache on your home network will serve them.



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Clean Install or Not

[E.T.]

   I am not sure I am up to doing a clean install. Anyone who upgraded 
from Yosemite, were there any issues?


   If I do a clean install, how best to reinstall VMware?

   Looking forward to the feedback.

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Re: Clean Install or Not

[Scott Granados]

Clean install should be no problem.  Not sure the VM ware question.  You could 
restore from time machine or do what I did which was just install the software 
and copy over the VM.


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Re: Clean Install or Not

[E.T.]

   I always get nervous when I do a clean install but I have a great 
deal more loaded now than a year ago. But I will do the same as before 
and make a plan and list all the honey dews.


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On 1/21/2016 10:46 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Clean install should be no problem.  Not sure the VM ware question.  You could 
restore from time machine or do what I did which was just install the software 
and copy over the VM.



On Jan 21, 2016, at 1:24 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   I am not sure I am up to doing a clean install. Anyone who upgraded from 
Yosemite, were there any issues?

   If I do a clean install, how best to reinstall VMware?

   Looking forward to the feedback.

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Re: Clean Install or Not

[Basioli George]

i do clean installs and then backup from my time machine and v m fusion works 
just fine after the restore from a backup after the clean install.
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:03 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I always get nervous when I do a clean install but I have a great deal more 
> loaded now than a year ago. But I will do the same as before and make a plan 
> and list all the honey dews.
> 
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>> Clean install should be no problem.  Not sure the VM ware question.  You 
>> could restore from time machine or do what I did which was just install the 
>> software and copy over the VM.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 1:24 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I am not sure I am up to doing a clean install. Anyone who upgraded from 
>>> Yosemite, were there any issues?
>>> 
>>>   If I do a clean install, how best to reinstall VMware?
>>> 
>>>   Looking forward to the feedback.
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Re: Tables in pages

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I don't mean to somewhat hijack this thread, so I'll keep this extremely 
incredibly brief, but tables always have intreigued me within Pages.  When 
in the main body of my document, if I'm arrowing with the down arrow key 
line by line through the doc, when I hit a table, how does that work?  Do I 
then have to interact with the table in order to explore it?  Basically, I'm 
just asking, ultimately, when encounterring a table within a document, how 
then do I navigate it?


Feel free to write me off list about this, if you feel it would be more 
appropriate.


clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Marie Lyons" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:01 PM
Subject: Tables in pages


The verbosity is driving me nuts! I don’t really want to hear the 
coordinates, especially the way I’m using the table. I work with my guitar 
teacher and we put the lesson in a table, kind of like a tablature for those 
who play guitar.  It is also driving him nuts! He’s trying to tell me 
something and the speech is going on with, g4 empty cell, or insertion at 
end of text.  I already, called disability support and they didn’t know how 
to get v/o to stop giving all this information.  Do any of you have any 
suggestions? It isn’t in the headers, it’s in every cell!


Marie Lyons

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Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I don't think you would see it, though I could be wrong, even if you were! 
sighted.  I think it's ultraviolet, though I could be wrong.

Chris.

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  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 1:44 AM
  Subject: RE: Need a bit of USB sound education


  NO,

  Optical is a totally didfferent type of connector 

  It’s a hole about 4 millimeters across that you plug in a cable consisting of 
optical fibre, it’s meant to be a better quality but I can’t see it myself.

   

  The older apple tv gen 2 & 3 had them as do a lot of other devices.

   

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
  Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 2:03 AM
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  Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

   

  I was told my mac mini didn't have an optical out. Is it the same jack that 
you would normally take audio out of?

  Sent from my iPhone


  On Jan 19, 2016, at 11:43 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

If you are trying to get 5.1 out of your Mac, does your amp have an optical 
input? If so, it might be easier to skip all the USB stuff and just run optical 
from the mini to your surround-sound amp.

CB

On 1/18/16 9:57 PM, Bill Holton wrote:

  Hi.

  My wife says they are green, orange—red?—and black.  The USB cable goes 
into the box, those three cables go to my 5.1 system subwoofer, the subwoofer 
has the amp, I am guessing, and there are five audio cable jacks in it that 
lead to the left, right, satellite, and center channels.  The speakers also 
have a large cable with a volume know, a headphone jack, and dial for 
bass/treble, and another that does increased separation.  Does that help?

  The USB audio keeps dropping out, then coming back.  I thought maybe it 
was an OS issue, but I am running VM, and after a config change it started 
asking me where I want the device connected, Mac or Windows, so I am guessing 
it is actually disconnecting and reconnecting.  Tried three different USB 
cables;, didn’t help.

   

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
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  Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

   

  OK, do you know what color those cables are?  That would tell me a fair 
amount.  Are they blue green and black?  If so, I might have a possible 
solution.  If two of them are red and white, then I'll have to think about it, 
as that wouldn't exactly tell me much.

   

  red and white is generally your standard RCA, then of course yellow would 
be for video, so I highly doubt that is what you're working with.

   

  The green, blue, and black would be digital and probably would be like a 
composit cable.

   

  That's why I'm kind a wonderring.  We need just a slight bit more info.

   

  Chris.

   

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:15 PM

Subject: Need a bit of USB sound education

 

Hi.

I am currently running a USB sound adapter to a set of 5.1 speakers on 
my Mac Mini, connected by three color-coded cables to the subwoofer, which in 
turn connects to the five speakers.

The device is acting up, it keeps failing and restarting.  Tried 
different cable, same issues.  I want to replace the device, but not sure what 
I am looking for.  All the ones I see on Amazon show audio out.  What do I need 
to look for in one that will connect via the three color coded cables?  Hoping 
to get off fairly inexpensively, so if anyone can recommend one…much thanks.

Bill

 

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Re: What am I missing with Notes

[Brian Fischler]

Hey David,

Thanks, I should have been more specific as I know how to do that on the 
iPhone. My issue with editing notes is on the mac, as deleting words from a 
note seems to work very strangely. Thanks again.
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Wow, David, that new select feature is so cool!  Thanks for posting about it, 
> I had totally missed it.  I'd always avoided doing anything other than Select 
> all, because it was such a pain to try and select smaller chunks of text.  
> Again, thanks for bringing this feature to my attention.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 6:46 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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>> The first few words of the note are the note's label, or title. Use a return 
>> symbol to end the title.
>> 
>> IOS 9 introduced a nifty new selection feature. Go to help, general, 
>> accessibility, voiceover, rotor, and find select. Double-tap it to check it. 
>> Now, select is added to the rotor.
>> 
>> Place VO at the beginning of the desired text. Turn the rotor to select. Use 
>> the vertical flick to set the amount (character, word, Etc) and use the 
>> right flick to select by the particular category. Use the left flick to 
>> unselect previously selected text.
>> 
>> When finished selecting, turn the rotor to edit. Use the vertical flick to 
>> find cut or copy. Double-tap to effect the selected text.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Been haring people love the updated notes app so figured I would give it a 
>>> try using it on both the mac and iPhone. Would love to hear what I am 
>>> missing here as I tried creating a number to do list and when I go to 
>>> delete something from the list you cannot easily highlight the text to 
>>> delete it. When I finally get something deleted the numbers from the list 
>>> are all screwed up. What am I missing here. Also how in the world do you 
>>> label a note as there is no save or way that I have found to give a note a 
>>> name. All my notes just seem to start with the first few words that are 
>>> written in the note. Any suggestions is appreciated. Thanks,
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tables in pages

[Marie Lyons]

Ann Roberts thanks you very much!  Putting the verbosity to low eliminated v/o 
announcing the cell coordinates.  We’ll see how it goes in my next lesson.

Marie Lyons

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Re: remote access

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Essentially, server just installs on top of your client, entirely unlike Snow 
Leopard or prior where you had a server edition of the software.  That’s kinda 
the beauty of it.  Just install and use.  It’s mostly a UI for built-in stuff, 
but there are also servers included inside the app; check out the contents of 
Contents/ServerRoot in the app bundle.  The same app also remote-controls a Mac 
that runs Server already and relays alert messages from that Mac to this.  So 
you perform the setup on one Mac, and then use the same app to connect to it 
from the other.

As of Yosemite, you need only purchase Server once and it’s multi-version, as 
opposed to prior releases where each OS upgrade was a chargeable upgrade to the 
Server app.  So yes, install it once and continue to get updates for free for 
future OS releases.  It makes a couple of small changes when you set the server 
up on the machine, most of them intuitive: continually power on, disable 
automatic login, and disable Spotlight indexing.  On a client you probably want 
to undo the last of these, either with System Preferences or mdutil.  On my 
server Mac Mini, I left it off and also turned off the HFS+ journal, for a bit 
of extra speed.  Finally your OS version is updated to show as a server, just 
as though you had installed a server release.  Once you have it set up and have 
added disks to it, it’s basically like an accessible NAS platform that you can 
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Apple ITunes Remote?

[Chris Gilland]

Quick question.

I have an Apple TV 4, which I bought to replace my Apple TV 3rd gen.

Right now, the 3rd gen isn’t even hooked up.  The remote was just sitting over 
here doing nothing, so I figured I’d try to see if I could find a way to pare 
it to my mac mini late 2012 system.

The really strange thing is that I got it pared perfectly, and it is working 
correctly in ITunes.  This said, when I go into ITunes under preferences, then 
I navigate to the devices tab, it says no remotes are pared.

Even the the Apple TV 3rd gen remote is an infrared remote, could it be that 
the remote is not really per sé an ITunes, quote unquote remote?  Is there a 
difference?

Chris.

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RE: remote access

[Simon Fogarty]

On the subject of osx server, how much of a problem is it to setup an OS X 
server?

I know the server is an app you have to purchase and install to the desktop OSX 
 version, but setting up the DNS dhcp smtp etc 
I'm just thinking it might be worth playing around with as I'm looking to setup 
a mail server etc for something to do and learn.

 And my only comparison is windows servers and exchange which is lots of fun 
and hair losing frustration.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 5:25 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: remote access

Caching service is definitely worth it for me because my bandwidth is metered 
(in a good way) and I’m annoyed by how long and how bandwidth-wasting the 
multiple-device update cycle and voice pack reinstallations are.  Nowadays it 
also helps with iCloud documents and photos too, and that’s quite a packet 
because the cache will store data that you put as well as get, in effect 
completely nullifying many document and photo accesses.  At first it was 
difficult to do because the cache would get wiped out every time I did a 
reinstall on the iMac I ran it on, but now that I have a Mini dedicated to OS X 
Server (again) on top of the Mac Mini Server it replaced (now running Linux) 
it’s back to being useful.  That Mini will just run and run, never get 
reinstalled and just get updated from time to time, and will provide a cache 
for as long as I need it to.  And because it’s a Mini, it’s small and silent 
and power-efficient.  Very cool.  I hope that Apple continues to push forward 
with the things that the server will cache, specifically FairPlay-protected 
movies, but it’s not here yet.  My only caution is that you not try to relocate 
the server volume; the cache is tied to the machine it is built on, and so 
trying to move the installation will cause its destruction (as I found out the 
hard way, losing me 70 GB of active cache).  The server is part of Server.app 
and as long as the clients all use the same public IPv4 address (with NAT, 
usually) the cache on your home network will serve them.

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RE: Need a bit of USB sound education

[Simon Fogarty]

I've got a usb 5.1 soundcard or external sound card device that works along the 
lines of what I believe is required.
 The USB  cable connects to the 4 inch square box which is approx. an inch 
thick, it has optical in, headphone out and line in 3.5 mm jacks, volume 
control and 2 3.5 mm jacs for sub / centre and rear speaker outputs and then a 
right and left RCA plugs to connect the front speakers,
 Worked great when I was using it to run a Logitech 5.1 system from my mac mini.

I think it was a creative device from memory.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 11:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: Terje Strømberg 
Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

Often it is the usb driver from the usb manufactor device that is the problem. 
Often it is possible to download usb drivers from the developers website. I 
recommend trying this first. 

Take care

21. jan. 2016 kl. 09:54 skrev Simon Fogarty :

Hey there folks,
 
On a lot of lower end 5.1 systems, you have only 3 3.5mm jacks to come out of 
the sound card  of the machine its being connected to.
 
These then lead to a sub or amp of some kind which then allows you to run each 
of your speakers off to their separate locations.
 
I had this type of config with a Logitech 5.1  system,power went in to an amp / 
subwoofer device and the front rear and centre speakers run off that with 
standard speaker cable.
 
I think this is more the way things should be configured but it’s the coming 
out of the Mac with USB and that splitting in to the 3 separate lines to the 
control device.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 9:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education
 
Wow, that's a... pardon the pun, very unorthodox, setup.  Usually, you'd not 
have one cable to do both left and right channels unless it was a Y cable.  Let 
me ask you this.
 
The green cable you have for left and right... is it just one plug on each end 
of that cord, or two plugs?  I'm trying to get my head around how you're 
getting left and right separation in the stereo spectrom on only one cord.  The 
only thing I could think is it's a stereo balanced crossover cable.  If that's 
the case, then yeah, ok, I could see it.
 
What, however, I do! find really really strange though is why that red/orange, 
call it as you will, cord is doing your center and! your sub.  Normally, you'd 
want your center speaker to be totally on a seperet channel from your left or 
right, and you definitely! definitely would not want those lower end 
frequencies say around 80HZ and lower to be sent to your center.  Generally, 
your center should roll off everything on an average about 150HZ and lower.  
Your satellites should go about 150 down to about 80HZ, then your sub would 
crossover at that point at about 80 down to about 25-30.  Again, this is only 
an average estimate.  Each type of speaker will greatly vary in frequency 
response.  My point though is, If you're using one cable for the sub woofer, 
and that same cable/jack is powerring your center, then that seems really weird 
to me!  I'd think that would make your speakers sound horribly! out of phase.
 
Chris.
 
- Original Message -
From: Bill Holton
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: Need a bit of USB sound education
 
Hi.
Yes,  it screws up on the other Mac as well, so assuming it is a sound card 
issue.  My current speakers have three cables Black = Rear left and right. .
Green = Front left and right.
Orange = Center and Subwoofer.
And I do not know what this type of sound interface is called.  Any suggestions 
appreciated.
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education
 
but your mac isn't what's producing the sound in this case.  The question isn't 
does your mac have optical, at which, the answer is no, by the way.  The 
question is, does your USB interface have optical out?
 
I do agree that would give you a better sound.  Either that, or SPDIF, 
sometimes pronounced spiddif.
 
I still however tend to think this is a bigger issue than your speaker setup.  
It sounds more like there is something going on within the USB connection from 
your mac to the USB interface.  I don't think your speakers are the problem 
here, honestly, based on what you're telling us.
 
Chris.
 
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From: Bill Holton
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Need a bit of USB sound education
 
I was told my mac mini didn't have an optical out

RE: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)

[Simon Fogarty]

David,

 The chrome book, what adaptive tech does it have built in?

Screan reader I mean!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 11:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)

True, and it is more involved to activate TalkBack each time for a blind person 
independently.

Yes, I am now working with both a Google Nexus and an Acer Google ChromeBook. 
Note: I have not yet installed BrailleBack onto the Nexus. I have not been able 
to get braille working on the ChromeBook.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Jan 2016, at 21:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> It shouldn't
> Android devices don't need a button to enable talkback.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
> Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 8:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)
> 
> If Apple decides to Remove its HomeButton, will that impact OurAbility 
> to Independently activate VoiceOver WithOut 
> Ol'Sighty(SightedAssistance)? I presume with Apple's 3DTouch, the 
> HomeButton may not be a Necessity as it once was, but I prefer it. 
> JustSaying
> 
> 
> At 11:52 AM 1/20/2016, you wrote:
>> It is best to let apple know that there is many customers out there 
>> that like to use the 3.5mm headphone connector now at this time,  not 
>> later, when the 3.5mm is gone on the next model.
>> Ehen it is gone it is gone. To late.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 20. jan. 2016 kl. 12:06 skrev Bill Gallik :
>> 
>> I have to wonder if Apple is really planning on changing the 
>> headphone jack.  I also wonder if the eventual iPhone 7 will come 
>> complete with the necessary audio jack adapter included?
>> 
>> But the bottom line to me is  this, if Apple does incorporate an 
>> alternative connection to the current jack do people truly believe it 
>> is only to pry additional dollars from the pockets of a remarkably 
>> loyal customer base?  Or, as I personally believe to be the case, to 
>> provide a technically superior feature?
>> 
>> I have no reason nor evidence to believe that Apple is foolish enough 
>> to make a technical alteration solely for the purpose of forcing 
>> loyal customers to be required to part with additional monies.  For 
>> my money, if Apple alters the headphone jack I audio believe they are 
>> doing to offer an improved experience.  I recall when the 35 MM jack 
>> was introduced several decades ago, the proponents of the formerly 
>> preponderant quarter inch jack likewise protested (although not quite 
>> so loudly).  For my money, I’ll patiently wait to see what Apple 
>> has indeed done and pass judgment after experiencing what most likely 
>> be an improvement.
>> 
>> 
>> €”—
>> Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>> 
>> wfgal...@icloud.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: remote access

[Simon Fogarty]

No, it's an application about 500 meg in size that youdownload and then run to 
install and then it extracts everything out and installs it 
 Then of course you have to set it up.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, 22 January 2016 4:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: remote access

Interesting. I might have to get that. App store shows server as being $20. Do 
you just upgrade your existing OSX install or does it wipe everything? When OSX 
gets upgraded do you have to buy the upgraded server as well or are updates 
free like in the non-server version?

CB

On 1/20/16 11:25 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> Caching service is definitely worth it for me because my bandwidth is metered 
> (in a good way) and I’m annoyed by how long and how bandwidth-wasting the 
> multiple-device update cycle and voice pack reinstallations are.  Nowadays it 
> also helps with iCloud documents and photos too, and that’s quite a packet 
> because the cache will store data that you put as well as get, in effect 
> completely nullifying many document and photo accesses.  At first it was 
> difficult to do because the cache would get wiped out every time I did a 
> reinstall on the iMac I ran it on, but now that I have a Mini dedicated to OS 
> X Server (again) on top of the Mac Mini Server it replaced (now running 
> Linux) it’s back to being useful.  That Mini will just run and run, never get 
> reinstalled and just get updated from time to time, and will provide a cache 
> for as long as I need it to.  And because it’s a Mini, it’s small and silent 
> and power-efficient.  Very cool.  I hope that Apple continues to push forward 
> with the things that the server will cache, specifically FairPlay-protected 
> movies, but it’s not here yet.  My only caution is that you not try to 
> relocate the server volume; the cache is tied to the machine it is built on, 
> and so trying to move the installation will cause its destruction (as I found 
> out the hard way, losing me 70 GB of active cache).  The server is part of 
> Server.app and as long as the clients all use the same public IPv4 address 
> (with NAT, usually) the cache on your home network will serve them.
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RE: Clean Install or Not

[Simon Fogarty]

In fact a clean install is easy on a mac system.

 And one of the steps with configuration is a question of do you wish to 
migrate data from another machine or time machine backup 
So if you have one then this could save a lot of time with getting your data 
back up and running.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 22 January 2016 7:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Clean Install or Not

Clean install should be no problem.  Not sure the VM ware question.  You could 
restore from time machine or do what I did which was just install the software 
and copy over the VM.


> On Jan 21, 2016, at 1:24 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I am not sure I am up to doing a clean install. Anyone who upgraded from 
> Yosemite, were there any issues?
> 
>   If I do a clean install, how best to reinstall VMware?
> 
>   Looking forward to the feedback.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
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Re: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)

[David Chittenden]

Simon,

The screen reader is Google's own. On ChromeBook, it is called ChromeVox. It is 
quite a rudementary screen reader. I purchased an Acer with 4 GB Ram and 32 GB 
flash storage. I tested a 2 GB ram touch screen ChromeBook last year and found 
the speech kept silencing, requiring unloading and loading ChromeVox 
frequently. The 4 GB model does not have this problem anywhere near as 
frequently. I opted for a touch screen model. Unfortunately, Google has only 
put the most basic of the touch screen commands in ChromeVox. Again, the 
keyboard commands for ChromeVox are rudementary at best. I am hoping it 
receives much attention soon by Google.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Jan 2016, at 18:54, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> The chrome book, what adaptive tech does it have built in?
> 
> Screan reader I mean!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 11:05 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)
> 
> True, and it is more involved to activate TalkBack each time for a blind 
> person independently.
> 
> Yes, I am now working with both a Google Nexus and an Acer Google ChromeBook. 
> Note: I have not yet installed BrailleBack onto the Nexus. I have not been 
> able to get braille working on the ChromeBook.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 21:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> It shouldn't
>> Android devices don't need a button to enable talkback.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>> Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2016 8:57 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)
>> 
>> If Apple decides to Remove its HomeButton, will that impact OurAbility 
>> to Independently activate VoiceOver WithOut 
>> Ol'Sighty(SightedAssistance)? I presume with Apple's 3DTouch, the 
>> HomeButton may not be a Necessity as it once was, but I prefer it. 
>> JustSaying
>> 
>> 
>> At 11:52 AM 1/20/2016, you wrote:
>>> It is best to let apple know that there is many customers out there 
>>> that like to use the 3.5mm headphone connector now at this time,  not 
>>> later, when the 3.5mm is gone on the next model.
>>> Ehen it is gone it is gone. To late.
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 20. jan. 2016 kl. 12:06 skrev Bill Gallik :
>>> 
>>> I have to wonder if Apple is really planning on changing the 
>>> headphone jack.  I also wonder if the eventual iPhone 7 will come 
>>> complete with the necessary audio jack adapter included?
>>> 
>>> But the bottom line to me is  this, if Apple does incorporate an 
>>> alternative connection to the current jack do people truly believe it 
>>> is only to pry additional dollars from the pockets of a remarkably 
>>> loyal customer base?  Or, as I personally believe to be the case, to 
>>> provide a technically superior feature?
>>> 
>>> I have no reason nor evidence to believe that Apple is foolish enough 
>>> to make a technical alteration solely for the purpose of forcing 
>>> loyal customers to be required to part with additional monies.  For 
>>> my money, if Apple alters the headphone jack I audio believe they are 
>>> doing to offer an improved experience.  I recall when the 35 MM jack 
>>> was introduced several decades ago, the proponents of the formerly 
>>> preponderant quarter inch jack likewise protested (although not quite 
>>> so loudly).  For my money, I’ll patiently wait to see what Apple 
>>> has indeed done and pass judgment after experiencing what most likely 
>>> be an improvement.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> €”—
>>> Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>>> 
>>> wfgal...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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How I Share My Internet Connection When Traveling

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Recently, there was a thread concerning how to share the Internet connection
from a Mac to a Windows computer.  

It got me to thinking about how I share my Mac's internet connection when I
travel.

I have an old-style USB Verizon Wireless Air Card that I plug in to my MBP
when traveling.  Then, I create a WiFi hotspot for all of my devices.  This
comes in handy when staying in a hotel.  

Verizon has long since offered me the opportunity to upgrade my USB air card
for one of its newer wireless air cards but I like the USB form factor as it
does not need to be recharged.  That is to say, as long as my Mac has power,
the air card has power, as well.  As with my A T & T Wireless account, my
Verizon Wireless account is also grandfathered in on the original unlimited
data plan.

Anyway, that's how I share my internet connection when traveling.

Mark

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Re: Tables in pages

[Andrew Lamanche]

When you encounter a table in Pages, you need to interact with it and then use 
vo+arrow keys to navigate from cell to cell.  You can read and enter data in 
this way.  You can also use tab, but remember if you use tab, and you arrive at 
the last cell in the table in the last row, pressing tab  once more will 
automatically add another row to the table.  
My problem with latest update to pages is that I can't seem to arrow past a 
table in the document I've created, something that's already been mentioned 
here.

Sorry I'm rushing this message before I go to work.

Andrew
> On 21 Jan 2016, at 20:31, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't mean to somewhat hijack this thread, so I'll keep this extremely 
> incredibly brief, but tables always have intreigued me within Pages.  When in 
> the main body of my document, if I'm arrowing with the down arrow key line by 
> line through the doc, when I hit a table, how does that work?  Do I then have 
> to interact with the table in order to explore it?  Basically, I'm just 
> asking, ultimately, when encounterring a table within a document, how then do 
> I navigate it?
> 
> Feel free to write me off list about this, if you feel it would be more 
> appropriate.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> 
> Chris.
> - Original Message - From: "Marie Lyons" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:01 PM
> Subject: Tables in pages
> 
> 
> The verbosity is driving me nuts! I don’t really want to hear the 
> coordinates, especially the way I’m using the table. I work with my guitar 
> teacher and we put the lesson in a table, kind of like a tablature for those 
> who play guitar.  It is also driving him nuts! He’s trying to tell me 
> something and the speech is going on with, g4 empty cell, or insertion at end 
> of text.  I already, called disability support and they didn’t know how to 
> get v/o to stop giving all this information.  Do any of you have any 
> suggestions? It isn’t in the headers, it’s in every cell!
> 
> Marie Lyons
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Re: HomeButton & Apple iPhone & VoiceOver (VO)

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Of all of Google’s offerings, it’s actually ChromeOS I’m most enthusiastic 
about.  It is getting better, albeit that it’s going through a bad patch at the 
moment as Google moves to the ChromeVox Next native screen reader, which is 
currently not in the stable branch (and therefore frustrating for users not 
wishing to run betas).

But yeah, you know, if you fancy diving in, give it a shot.

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