Re: Installing a virtual mac under Vmware

[Sean Murphy]

All,

VMWare fusion 7.2 fixes a bug in detection of USB HID devices where they do not 
come up in the device menu. Passing it on for anyone who cares.

Also I have been speaking with VMWare on the whole issue of how the keyboard 
isn’t fully passed into the host machine. Early days on this one. I want to see 
what VMWare says since Apple states it is a VMware issue. 

Under windows you do not have the issues where eVoice-over is still 
intersecting keystrokes. If it is at a very low level then this could end up 
being an Apple issue after all.

Sean 
> On 16 Jun 2015, at 8:10 pm, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
> The two options I can see:
> 
> 1. Remap the Mac host  keystroke to something else, if this can be done under 
> keyboard prefence.
> 2. Use another keyboard and modify the VMWare config file so the 2nd keyboard 
> is fully controlled by the guess OS (your Test Mac os). This is what I do for 
> Windows  in the past. When using 7.1 Pro I have had issues with it not 
> working as it is documented. Looking into it still.
> 
> Sean 
> 
>> On 16 Jun 2015, at 9:01 am, Tom Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> I use VMware every day for both windows and Linux machines have
>> basically got everything worked out as far as accessing most of their
>> functions.
>> The big question left for me is now that VMware supports running
>> virtual mac os's how can this be done so that a person can hit command
>> f5 with out starting up the Voiceover on the host?
>> If this can be made to work a virtual mac can be installed for testing
>> purposes and run along side the host os.
>> 
>> Thanks for any tips you guys may have.
>> 
>> Tom
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pdf files

[May McDonald]

Good morning.

What program is the best to use to read and write in pdf files? I have a form I 
need to fill out and it's in pdf. Thanks.

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I can't create a virtual machine with windows on my mac using an external drive

[Ted Phillips]

Hi all.  I have been trying to create a virtual machine running windows 10X64 
on my macbook pro using an external drive.  I go through all the necessary 
steps and choose the correct OS but when finished, it does not install windows 
from the iso.  How can I get VMware Fusion 7.1.2 to use my external USB drive 
as the windows partition and install to it?  Can this be done or am I asking 
something of the program that is impossible?  

Thanks all.

Ted Phillips

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Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. The one site I absolutely hate to work with on the mac is 
forums.audiogames.net
Site the site is accessible, but reading posts is horrible! I have to go to the 
next heading, press voiceover-right arrow to skip passed the lists of details 
about a user, then finally I get to the post. This is one reason why I've 
never, ever liked forums. I have to skip all that stuff about a user just to 
get to what I want, the post.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I always use dom mode as well, with group mode, you have to interact with 
> everything, no thanks, just give me a structured order of the page. If I want 
> to skip something, there are key strokes to do that.
>> On Jun 17, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> FWIW, I prefer DOM mode all the time.  I have tried group mode every now and 
>> again, but I found that the supposed efficiency benefits were never there 
>> for me, and in fact I’d simply miss out on details that I actually wanted.  
>> Since group mode is based on document structure, it should in theory be the 
>> superior mode, but in practice I find that the real world doesn’t actually 
>> work like that, so I just learned all the quick navigation commands and use 
>> those in DOM mode when I need to move faster.
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menus on web pages causing problems

[Adrienne Chalmers]

Guys

I had this when I recently bought a new MBP. Sites were showing links under 
headings as usual on my iMac, but the new MBP was just showing the headings. I 
assumed it was settings and tried all the group/dom stuff and everything else I 
could think of.

I eventually emailed Apple and they said that they couldn’t tell me exactly 
what might be the problem, but if it was working on other Macs, I should export 
the VO settings from one of the functioning machines. If you know a VO user 
with a machine which isn’t doing this, or you have another machine of your own 
that seems to be handling sites as you would expect, try this out, but also 
tell Apple as it’s obviously a widespread issue.

To export settings, open VO Utility and look for export settings in the File 
menu. I saved mine to iCloud and pulled them off there onto the new machine 
using the handy “import settings” in VO Utility.

HTH

Adrienne

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RE: I can't create a virtual machine with windows on my mac using an external drive

[Bill Holton]

HI.
I installed on my HD, then removed the VM from my library, using the option to 
keep the file.  I then copied it to my external lightening drive, and opened it 
from there.


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Subject: I can't create a virtual machine with windows on my mac using an 
external drive

Hi all.  I have been trying to create a virtual machine running windows 10X64 
on my macbook pro using an external drive.  I go through all the necessary 
steps and choose the correct OS but when finished, it does not install windows 
from the iso.  How can I get VMware Fusion 7.1.2 to use my external USB drive 
as the windows partition and install to it?  Can this be done or am I asking 
something of the program that is impossible?  

Thanks all.

Ted Phillips

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Re: pdf files

[Eugenia Firth]

Hello there
I am using P DF pen pro.as in windows, the form that you have to do needs to be 
an accessible form before it's going to work. Otherwise, you have to get a 
reader to help you rename the fields if the form is not

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 5:27 AM, May McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Good morning.
> 
> What program is the best to use to read and write in pdf files? I have a form 
> I need to fill out and it's in pdf. Thanks.
> 
> May and LD Luna Moon!
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> m...@canadianlynx.ca
> 
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on the Mac, unmarking a FB message as Spam

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I seem to have marked a Facebook message as Spam by accident, and now I don't 
seem to be able to unmark it.  Does anyone know if there's a way to do this?
TIA,
Donna

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Turning off mail sounds

[Angus MacKinnon]

I seem to have pressed some key stroke that turned on a sound when a email 
comes into Mail. Is their a key stroke to turn off the sound in Mail? Or do I 
need to visit prefrences? Thank you.

Vaquero and the human Angus

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Re: on the Mac, unmarking a FB message as Spam

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I've had this problem on occasion as well and your message inspired me to look 
for a solution a little deeper.  Usually, I'd just move it from the Junk box to 
my InBox hoping to train Mail to realize that it isn't really Junk mail.  
According to my research, it's something to do with the interaction, or lack of 
it, between Mail and the iCloud servers.  The iCloud server is placing the 
message in Junk, not your local Mail app, thus the inability to mark it as "Not 
Junk".  Supposedly, if you turn off Junk mail filtering at the iCloud site and 
let the Mail app do that job instead, you'll have better control of the 
Junk/Not Junk marking.  iCloud isn't the friendliest site for VO users, so 
hopefully you're able to make the modification if you wish to set things up 
this way.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 18, 2015, at 12:09, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

I seem to have marked a Facebook message as Spam by accident, and now I don't 
seem to be able to unmark it.  Does anyone know if there's a way to do this?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: pdf files

[May McDonald]

Thanks, I'll see if there's a mac version of this since I don't use windows.

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hello there
> I am using P DF pen pro.as in windows, the form that you have to do needs to 
> be an accessible form before it's going to work. Otherwise, you have to get a 
> reader to help you rename the fields if the form is not
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 18, 2015, at 5:27 AM, May McDonald  > wrote:
> 
>> Good morning.
>> 
>> What program is the best to use to read and write in pdf files? I have a 
>> form I need to fill out and it's in pdf. Thanks.
>> 
>> May and LD Luna Moon!
>> www.canadianlynx.ca 
>> m...@canadianlynx.ca 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Turn Twitter Power Into Your Power And Get Things Done

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Thanks to my trusty Smartphone app, in conjunction with my favorite web
browser, I have resolved several issues with companies with whom I do
business including Samsung, AT&T, Apple, my local water company, one of my
banking services, a local restaurant chain, a grocery store, and a shopping
facility (just to name a few) via Twitter.

I am convinced that my issues would not have so quickly been resolved via
any other channel.  

In one instance, for example, I Tweeted a problem at approximately 11:55pm,
that had previously gone unanswered via traditional channels including email
and telephone, and received a response within 10 minutes.  Time of day
notwithstanding, this was not an isolated response time.

So, I want to encourage anyone who is trying to reach a particular developer
of an app, or has questions about a product or service, technology related
or not,  to strongly consider using the power of  Twitter to make your voice
herd or to simply make contact.

Turn Twitter power into your power and get things done.

Mark

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Re: pdf files

[Greg Aikens]

I’m pretty sure this is a mac program. She said that just like when you are 
using Windows, you need an accessible PDF.

Best,
Greg

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 3:20 PM, May McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, I'll see if there's a mac version of this since I don't use windows.
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Eugenia Firth > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello there
>> I am using P DF pen pro.as in windows, the form that you have to do needs to 
>> be an accessible form before it's going to work. Otherwise, you have to get 
>> a reader to help you rename the fields if the form is not
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 5:27 AM, May McDonald > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Good morning.
>>> 
>>> What program is the best to use to read and write in pdf files? I have a 
>>> form I need to fill out and it's in pdf. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> May and LD Luna Moon!
>>> www.canadianlynx.ca 
>>> m...@canadianlynx.ca 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: pdf files

[Eugenia Firth]

Yes, PDF Pen Pro is definitely a Mac program. You can get it from the app store 
or you can go to their web site. If you go to the web site, you can call up a 
demo program. The Url for the web site is smilesoftware.com. 

Gigi 

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
> 
> I’m pretty sure this is a mac program. She said that just like when you are 
> using Windows, you need an accessible PDF.
> 
> Best,
> Greg
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 3:20 PM, May McDonald > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, I'll see if there's a mac version of this since I don't use windows.
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Eugenia Firth >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello there
>>> I am using P DF pen pro.as in windows, the form that you have to do needs 
>>> to be an accessible form before it's going to work. Otherwise, you have to 
>>> get a reader to help you rename the fields if the form is not
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 5:27 AM, May McDonald >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Good morning.
 
 What program is the best to use to read and write in pdf files? I have a 
 form I need to fill out and it's in pdf. Thanks.
 
 May and LD Luna Moon!
 www.canadianlynx.ca 
 m...@canadianlynx.ca 
 
 
 
 
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Re: on the Mac, unmarking a FB message as Spam

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Tim,

Thanks for your efforts looking into this.  I'm confused though.  It sounds 
like you are talking about working with FB messages in the Mail app?  I was 
actually doing it in Safari on the FB site.  Do you know if what your saying 
still applies?  I actually tried viewing the message from within MenuTab hoping 
that might help, but that didn't do anything either.
Best,
Donna
> On Jun 18, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've had this problem on occasion as well and your message inspired me to 
> look for a solution a little deeper.  Usually, I'd just move it from the Junk 
> box to my InBox hoping to train Mail to realize that it isn't really Junk 
> mail.  According to my research, it's something to do with the interaction, 
> or lack of it, between Mail and the iCloud servers.  The iCloud server is 
> placing the message in Junk, not your local Mail app, thus the inability to 
> mark it as "Not Junk".  Supposedly, if you turn off Junk mail filtering at 
> the iCloud site and let the Mail app do that job instead, you'll have better 
> control of the Junk/Not Junk marking.  iCloud isn't the friendliest site for 
> VO users, so hopefully you're able to make the modification if you wish to 
> set things up this way.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 18, 2015, at 12:09, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I seem to have marked a Facebook message as Spam by accident, and now I don't 
> seem to be able to unmark it.  Does anyone know if there's a way to do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Strange, I’ve always found that forum very agreeable as compared to many other 
boards (though it’s still no substitute for mail, obviously).  But I agree that 
the easiest way of dealing with the header of every message is to simply skip 
it line by line, which means simply getting into the habit of doing a VO-right 
until you reach the end of the list of participant data, which is the second of 
such lists.  How do you do this on Windows?

I set up a mailing list that gateways posts from the audiogames.net forum into 
mail.  This is much easier to handle in Mac mail.  You can subscribe here:
https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

[Devin Prater]

Well in Windows, I go to the heading of the post, like 3 heading level 2 or 
something, press down arrow to get into the list, the press comma twice to skip 
both the list and sublist, that’s with NVDA.
> On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Strange, I’ve always found that forum very agreeable as compared to many 
> other boards (though it’s still no substitute for mail, obviously).  But I 
> agree that the easiest way of dealing with the header of every message is to 
> simply skip it line by line, which means simply getting into the habit of 
> doing a VO-right until you reach the end of the list of participant data, 
> which is the second of such lists.  How do you do this on Windows?
> 
> I set up a mailing list that gateways posts from the audiogames.net forum 
> into mail.  This is much easier to handle in Mac mail.  You can subscribe 
> here:
> https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: pdf files

[May McDonald]

Sorry sorry, yes I got that when I went through and read the email again.


> On Jun 18, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
> 
> I’m pretty sure this is a mac program. She said that just like when you are 
> using Windows, you need an accessible PDF.
> 
> Best,
> Greg
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 3:20 PM, May McDonald > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, I'll see if there's a mac version of this since I don't use windows.
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Eugenia Firth >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello there
>>> I am using P DF pen pro.as in windows, the form that you have to do needs 
>>> to be an accessible form before it's going to work. Otherwise, you have to 
>>> get a reader to help you rename the fields if the form is not
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 5:27 AM, May McDonald >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Good morning.
 
 What program is the best to use to read and write in pdf files? I have a 
 form I need to fill out and it's in pdf. Thanks.
 
 May and LD Luna Moon!
 www.canadianlynx.ca 
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Re: Turning off mail sounds

[Alex Hall]

There's a preference for it, yes, but I find that the sound often disappears 
randomly. Connecting headphones or restarting the Mail app always brings it 
back.
> On Jun 18, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
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> I seem to have pressed some key stroke that turned on a sound when a email 
> comes into Mail. Is their a key stroke to turn off the sound in Mail? Or do I 
> need to visit prefrences? Thank you.
> 
> Vaquero and the human Angus
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FS: iMac 27-inch 2011 (iMac 12,2) 3.4 GHz quad-core I7 Sandy Bridge, 16 GB RAM 256GB SSD + 2TB HDD for £930 or Best Offer

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi all, but especially to those in the UK looking for a bargain Mac.  I hope 
nobody will mind this listing on here, but I’d really like to find a new home 
for this beauty ASAP.

I’m consolidating all my Apple hardware and selling off the excess.  
Accordingly, I am selling an iMac 27-inch mid-2011 in very good condition.  
It’s a top-spec model, at the time meaning a 3.4 GHz quad-core Sandy Bridge I7 
with 16 GB of RAM, a 256 GB SSD and 2 TB HDD.  The model number is iMac 12,2.  
I will take the best offer at or above £930 including postage.

A remote will be included, but not a keyboard or trackpad/mouse, unless we 
negotiate otherwise (in which case I will charge you extra for the new 
purchases, which you could otherwise make yourself).  In addition to the 
computer, of course, you will also get the form-fitting power lead.

This machine is notable for being the very last iMac that includes an optical 
drive and infrared sensor.  It also has the virtue of running any OS X release 
from Snow Leopard upwards including Yosemite and El Capitan when it is 
released.  Besides that, it is among the machines that have the two dedicated 
audio sockets for input and digital output, 4 USB 2, gigabit Ethernet, 
single-band 802.11A/B/G/N, 2 Thunderbolt 1 or mini DisplayPort, SD-XC, and 
FireWire 800.

The primary disadvantages are the lack of Bluetooth 4.0 (which means you can’t 
use “handoff” of apps) and included USB 2.0.  This latter problem can in fact 
be solved using Thunderbolt to USB 3 adaptors or multi-interface products; the 
machine has two Thunderbolt 1 ports which you can either convert into USB 3 or 
connect to a dock or drive that also supports Thunderbolt.

Please let me know by email if you are interested, and I’ll be happy to follow 
up if you have any questions.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Fusion and Windows 8.1

[Marshall Scott]

Hi Folks,
I'm about to take the plunge and install Windows 8.1 into a virtual machine.  
Since I've never done a Windows 8.1 install before I have three questions.
1. Can this installation be done without sighted help?
2. Are there any gotchas in the installation process?
3. How do I turn on Narrator after the installation is complete?

Thanks
Marshall

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Re: Fusion and Windows 8.1

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi Marshall,
I unfortunately can't answer your second question, but I can answer the first.
You can install the windows machine in VMWare Fusion with no sighted assistance 
required. It will walk you through the setup process, and then it will take a 
while, maybe about half to an hour to complete. Then you should hear the 
startup music.
I have only used windows 7 when I used windows, so unfortunately I cannot give 
you instructions on how to do the other two.
God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

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Hi Folks,
I'm about to take the plunge and install Windows 8.1 into a virtual machine.  
Since I've never done a Windows 8.1 install before I have three questions.
1. Can this installation be done without sighted help?
2. Are there any gotchas in the installation process?
3. How do I turn on Narrator after the installation is complete?

Thanks
Marshall

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Re: Fusion and Windows 8.1

[Grant]

Hi Marshall, congratulations on taking the plunge! The installation using 
VMWare's "easy install" method can be done without sighted help. VMWare asks 
all the relevant questions up front, then automates the Windows setup. In 
Windows 8.1, you don't have a startup sound by default. However, about 15 to 20 
minutes after you begin the install you can turn on Narrator by pressing 
COMMAND+ENTER. By default the COMMAND KEY acts as a Windows key, so you are 
pressing WINDOWS+ENTER.

Cheers,

Grant

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Marshall Scott  wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> I'm about to take the plunge and install Windows 8.1 into a virtual machine.  
> Since I've never done a Windows 8.1 install before I have three questions.
> 1. Can this installation be done without sighted help?
> 2. Are there any gotchas in the installation process?
> 3. How do I turn on Narrator after the installation is complete?
> 
> Thanks
> Marshall
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Re: Fusion and Windows 8.1

[Shaf]

1. Yes. Enter relevant information in setup screen and hit enter every 5 
minutes during installation.

2. Probably not.
3. win+r, Narrator, enter.


On 6/19/2015 12:43 AM, Marshall Scott wrote:

Hi Folks,
I'm about to take the plunge and install Windows 8.1 into a virtual machine.  
Since I've never done a Windows 8.1 install before I have three questions.
1. Can this installation be done without sighted help?
2. Are there any gotchas in the installation process?
3. How do I turn on Narrator after the installation is complete?

Thanks
Marshall



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Windows 8 VM and external sound card

[Shaf]

Apparently either windows 8 doesn't like USB sound cards, or it's a VM 
conflict. Plugging in an external USB sound card to the VM renders all 
sound useless regardless of volume settings in Windows 8. Tried 
reinstalling drivers with no luck.

Anybody found a fix for this?


-Shaf

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Re: Fusion and Windows 8.1

[Grant]

Since there is no guarantee that the user will be logged in automatically, 
trying to open the run dialog might not work. WINDOWS+ENTER is guaranteed to 
work unless something goes wrong, so it is the better option for starting 
Narrator. Also, there should be no need to hit ENTER every few minutes once the 
installation completes. It will carry on without prompting or user interaction, 
again, unless something goes wrong.

Grant

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:48 PM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> 1. Yes. Enter relevant information in setup screen and hit enter every 5 
> minutes during installation.
> 2. Probably not.
> 3. win+r, Narrator, enter.
> 
> 
>> On 6/19/2015 12:43 AM, Marshall Scott wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>> I'm about to take the plunge and install Windows 8.1 into a virtual machine. 
>>  Since I've never done a Windows 8.1 install before I have three questions.
>> 1. Can this installation be done without sighted help?
>> 2. Are there any gotchas in the installation process?
>> 3. How do I turn on Narrator after the installation is complete?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Marshall
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Re: Fusion and Windows 8.1

[Shaf]

I had to hit enter every 5 minutes or so. Sometimes dialogs pop up - 
confirmed this with a sighted person.
Also, as long as you do not enter a password in the setup screen you 
should be logged in automatically.



-Shaf

On 6/19/2015 3:58 AM, Grant wrote:

Since there is no guarantee that the user will be logged in automatically, 
trying to open the run dialog might not work. WINDOWS+ENTER is guaranteed to 
work unless something goes wrong, so it is the better option for starting 
Narrator. Also, there should be no need to hit ENTER every few minutes once the 
installation completes. It will carry on without prompting or user interaction, 
again, unless something goes wrong.

Grant


On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:48 PM, Shaf  wrote:

1. Yes. Enter relevant information in setup screen and hit enter every 5 
minutes during installation.
2. Probably not.
3. win+r, Narrator, enter.



On 6/19/2015 12:43 AM, Marshall Scott wrote:
Hi Folks,
I'm about to take the plunge and install Windows 8.1 into a virtual machine.  
Since I've never done a Windows 8.1 install before I have three questions.
1. Can this installation be done without sighted help?
2. Are there any gotchas in the installation process?
3. How do I turn on Narrator after the installation is complete?

Thanks
Marshall

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Re: Fusion and Windows 8.1

[Grant]

Hello,

Can you think of an example of one of these dialogs that popped up? I have 
installed Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 with VMWare Fusion and I can absolutely confirm 
that the installation is fully automated and no dialogs interupt it at any 
point. This is by design, and is the reason the easy install feature exists. 
There is one dialog box that appears after the e user logs in for the first 
time telling them that VMWare has modified some settings in Windows to allow 
sharing files, but by that point Narrator can be used to read the message. If 
this isn't working for you, then you may have encountered a bug or other 
unusual circumstance. In any event, pressing ENTER multiple times at random is 
hardly ideal unless it is a last resort, because it means you are potentially 
dismissing messages or selecting buttons without any knowledge of what you are 
clicking on or what the message said.
WINDOWS+ENTER will toggle Narrator on or off under Windows 8 in practically any 
circumstance, including at the login window, so it is definitely a keystroke 
worth remembering.

Grant

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> I had to hit enter every 5 minutes or so. Sometimes dialogs pop up - 
> confirmed this with a sighted person.
> Also, as long as you do not enter a password in the setup screen you should 
> be logged in automatically.
> 
> 
> -Shaf
> 
>> On 6/19/2015 3:58 AM, Grant wrote:
>> Since there is no guarantee that the user will be logged in automatically, 
>> trying to open the run dialog might not work. WINDOWS+ENTER is guaranteed to 
>> work unless something goes wrong, so it is the better option for starting 
>> Narrator. Also, there should be no need to hit ENTER every few minutes once 
>> the installation completes. It will carry on without prompting or user 
>> interaction, again, unless something goes wrong.
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:48 PM, Shaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1. Yes. Enter relevant information in setup screen and hit enter every 5 
>>> minutes during installation.
>>> 2. Probably not.
>>> 3. win+r, Narrator, enter.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6/19/2015 12:43 AM, Marshall Scott wrote:
 Hi Folks,
 I'm about to take the plunge and install Windows 8.1 into a virtual 
 machine.  Since I've never done a Windows 8.1 install before I have three 
 questions.
 1. Can this installation be done without sighted help?
 2. Are there any gotchas in the installation process?
 3. How do I turn on Narrator after the installation is complete?
 
 Thanks
 Marshall
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