Re: Audio Highjack 3 Rocks with Voiceover!

[Gabriele Battaglia]

Hi all.
Jonathan, I wasn't able to understand where Audio Highjack 3 has the 
settings to split audio in two different channels while recording a 
phone conversation?

Is it something hidden in the code or customizable?

Thanks.
Gabriel.

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Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Way to go.  Let it all out! :)

And to others: send Apple your feedback!  Those bugs will not fix themselves, 
you know—Apple have to know about them first.

Tomorrow is Friday.  Shall we start a report-an-accessibility-bug-Friday 
tradition?

Now, for my feelings on the matter: I would argue that iOS is increasingly not 
seeing the accessibility love that it requires, either.  People are using it 
now purely for lack of choice.  For OS X, while there may be indeed be choice, 
it appears to be between technical superiority and accessibility, and neither 
is appropriate to have on its own.  I’m still in the Mac for now, but I think 
mostly because I appreciate the platform better—when even basic functionality 
stops working, or I lack the time to work around VoiceOver bugs, I will simply 
have to quit and make do with an inferior platform solely for its efficiency.  
I really, really don’t want to have to do this.  FWIW, I still believe OS X as 
an ecosystem is the best there is for the lowest cost—sorry Windows apologists, 
but NVDA is no match for a commercial screen reader yet, IMO.

For my favourite bugs: no indentation indicator, broken navigation of text by 
line on the web, losing position in HTML and/or text areas.  These all have 
efficiency-killing properties.

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Re: how to permanently disable automatic speling correction in textedit?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

The check boxes are in TextEdit preferences, under the “New document” tab. They 
should apply with newly-opened documents after you’ve unchecked them.

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Re: Audio Highjack 3 Rocks with Voiceover!

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Gabriel, it's definitely customisable using the channels block. If you take 
a look at their VOIP session, you can use that as a base and copy it if you 
need to.
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> On 12/02/2015, at 9:14 pm, Gabriele Battaglia  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> Jonathan, I wasn't able to understand where Audio Highjack 3 has the settings 
> to split audio in two different channels while recording a phone conversation?
> Is it something hidden in the code or customizable?
> 
> Thanks.
> Gabriel.
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Test me

[Graham Roby]

Hi, 

For some reason recent messages that I have sent from my Mac don’t appear to 
have got through to the group. 

Can someone let me know if they receive this so I know all is working okay my 
end. 

Thanks

Graham
 sage   

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Pages for Mac podcasts

[Graham Roby]

Hi, 

Can anyone tell me where I might find any podcasts on Pages for Mac? 

Many thanks for any help received in advance. 

Regards

Graham

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Import mailbox from other mail apps.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have a problem.
I was trying to import a mailbox which is saved in thunderbird i think.
When opening the import settings there seems to be some radiobuttons that 
voiceover can not found.
I can tab in the dialog box and i find one of the five radio buttons.
Is there a simple or other way to help me out?
Thanks in advance and have a blessd day.
/A

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Re: Test me

[Kevin Cussick]

Hi,   sorry if loads of people do this but your working fine.
> On 12 Feb 2015, at 10:42, Graham Roby  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> For some reason recent messages that I have sent from my Mac don’t appear to 
> have got through to the group. 
> 
> Can someone let me know if they receive this so I know all is working okay my 
> end. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Graham
> sage  
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How do I get a word count in Pages?

[Jamie Pauls]

Hello, list members,

I need to get the word count on a document I am writing using the latest 
version of Pages. An article I read said to use the inspector, but I’m still 
not finding what I am looking for. Has anyone written a script for this? It 
seems like it might be a good candidate, but I’m not the guy to do it, I don’t 
think. Regardless of the method, an explanation of how to get a word count in a 
document  would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help.

Take care and have a great day.
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Reading a PDF in Preview

[Angus MacKinnon]

I clicked on a PDF in OS 10.9. 5’s Mail. I keep getting to double quote. and 
can not get to the text. How does a person read text in preview?

Angus MacKinnon


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Giving an app permission

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

I’m using iText Express a lot lately, but I don’t remember how to tell my Mac 
this app is trusted.  Every time I go to open a document, I need to jump 
through a couple hoops to say it is ok.

Isn’t there a setting where I don’t need to do this anymore?

Thanks,
Traci

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Re: Reading a PDF in Preview

[Phil Halton]

typically I find that i have to interact twice in the scroll area to get at the 
text. Once there I can use the VO reading commands like VO + arrow keys, or VO 
+ function +  command down / up for sentence and VO + function + shift + 
up/down arrow for paragraph.
This pertains to files I open from the finder, and not from within the mail 
program, but I don’t think that should matter much.


> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
> 
> I clicked on a PDF in OS 10.9. 5’s Mail. I keep getting to double quote. and 
> can not get to the text. How does a person read text in preview?
> 
> Angus MacKinnon
> 
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Re: How do I get a word count in Pages?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jamie,

To get the number of words, characters, paragraphs, etc in Pages, just go to 
the View menu and down to Show Word Count. It appears as a menu button and 
pressing VO-Space on it will give you the other options.

Cheers,

Anne


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> 
> Hello, list members,
> 
> I need to get the word count on a document I am writing using the latest 
> version of Pages. An article I read said to use the inspector, but I’m still 
> not finding what I am looking for. Has anyone written a script for this? It 
> seems like it might be a good candidate, but I’m not the guy to do it, I 
> don’t think. Regardless of the method, an explanation of how to get a word 
> count in a document  would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help.
> 
> Take care and have a great day.
> Jamie Pauls
> jamiepa...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Giving an app permission

[Faisal ali]

You need to set your gatekeeper settings. they can be found in system 
preferences, security and privacy and under the general tab. there should be a 
checkbox to say allow apps from anywhere.
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m using iText Express a lot lately, but I don’t remember how to tell my Mac 
> this app is trusted.  Every time I go to open a document, I need to jump 
> through a couple hoops to say it is ok.
> 
> Isn’t there a setting where I don’t need to do this anymore?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
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> Lymphoma Society. The climb up 1311 steps is difficult but pales in 
> comparison to what patients and their families feel during treatment. Every 
> day, more than 347 LLS sponsored researchers come closer to the goal of 
> finding a cure for leukemia and related blood cancers. Locally, LLS funds 8 
> researchers at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center and University of 
> Washington Medical Center. Your support and commitment to the mission of LLS 
> enables this important work to continue. Please go to my page to learn more & 
> donate. Thank you!
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Re: Paprika recipe manager how to show a recipe?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
vo shift m choose open.
> On Feb 11, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> sometime ago I purchased Paprika Recipe Manager for the Mac & iPhone.
> We have added a recipe in our Mac version I can find the recipe but can’t 
> open it. I am on the recipe name and have tried CMD O & VO space also Shift 
> VO space twice quickly none of which worked. Have I clicked something to hide 
> the recipe view or something?
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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Re: Reading a PDF in Preview

[Angus MacKinnon]

Phil

Thank you for the reading help with Preview.

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Re: Test me

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> On Feb 12, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Graham Roby  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> For some reason recent messages that I have sent from my Mac don’t appear to 
> have got through to the group. 
> 
> Can someone let me know if they receive this so I know all is working okay my 
> end. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Graham
> sage
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Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I totally agree with you William regarding braille support.
Its so basic that i seldom use it at all.
It would be really intresting if we could show them how things work now and how 
things should work.
/A
> 12 feb 2015 kl. 07:10 skrev William Windels :
> 
> Of course, this is done also but any support or remark of you as 
> voiceover-users is also very welcome
> 
> 
> Mvg
> william Windels
> 
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
> 
>> Op 12-feb.-2015 om 06:30 heeft Faisal ali  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> I think that this kind of an email should be directed toward apple 
>> accessibility as they can address some of your issues?
>>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, William Windels  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I am writing to you since the progress of the accessibility features are 
>>> really pour in the last releases of osx 10.10.2.
>>> The mac is still missing some important features against windows with a 
>>> commercial screenreader, and this after more 6 years of  voiceover as 
>>> built-in screenreader.
>>> Ok, voiceover is still a free, built-in screenreader but on windows , there 
>>> are 2 free screenreader for the windows platform that are better in some 
>>> cases than voiceover.
>>> 
>>> Braille is still very basicnin osx:
>>> Some daily problems I discover with voiceover:
>>> I can’t follow courses with only braille output (without speech) during 
>>> colleges.
>>> I mean: there is some important information missing on the braille display 
>>> that’s only available with speech.
>>> 
>>> What is missing:
> 1- no option for word wrapping: this can be useful for fast reading 
> (loudly);
> 2- no different modes line, structured, speech (like in jaws): specialy 
> structured mode in jaws is configurable, type of controls is shown, 
> interaction-levels could be shown on this way. 
> It’s e.g. very frustrating if you are in a text area and you can read all 
> with the braille-line but you can’t edit or simply move the cursor to any 
> position that is visible on the braille display.
> 
> 3- to know if quicknav is on/off before moving isn’t possible also.
> On this way , it’s very easy to lose your position in a text-area or a 
> window.
> The quick-nav option has also some bugs in general but is sometimes very 
> useful for navigation (and specially on a macbook).
>>> 
> 4- In some cases, the text that’s in the voiceover cursor is (always) 
> underlineed with dots 7-8. On this way , no other attributes are shown 
> and the cursor isn’t shown. If dots 7,8 are turned off, the cursor isn’t 
> visible at all and capitals aren’t shown also.
> 
> 5- When i put the cursor on a letter in a text I delete a .(dot) sign on 
> the left sign of the cursor and voiceover says sometimes something else.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> further  braille bugs:
>>> cursor routing on the first sign of the braille-display: the text on the 
>>> display is gone;
>>> when composing a message to multiple recipients , while the speech is 
>>> saying correctly the contact that has the focus, the braille display isn’t 
>>> following.
>>> 
> Further:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Some bugs since 10.9 aren’t fixed:
>>> the icons in the statusbar like the third party app dropbox can’t be 
>>> accessed with voiceover from there.
>>> The drag and drop-function with voiceover is not improved since the 
>>> introduction in osx 10.7 and  gives not the same possibilities for blind 
>>> users as for sighted users.
>>> The button to mount all external (network)-stations at once in finder is 
>>> not accessible with voiceover;
>>> 
>>> And some different points:
>>> Ibooks was basically accessible with voiceover after one update from osx 
>>> 10.9 to osx 10.10.
>>> 
>>> iWork’s is mainly accessible but is still missing some important 
>>> compatibility options to work together with ms office.
>>> (most of the people that work in a administrative job, use windows with ms 
>>> office).
>>> 
>>> I still love the mac because of some intuïtive features like the trackpad 
>>> with voiceover, time-machine, the possibility to maintain the system as 
>>> blind user on my own.
>>> But , I don’t know if the newest features for blind users are good and 
>>> innovative enough to spend that much money on.
>>> 
>>> With so great financial results the last weeks that where announced from 
>>> Apple, I should hope that more innovation is coming for people with 
>>> disabilities.
>>> 
>>> Keep on the work that  Steve Jobs has started.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> William Windels
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Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Please have a look at my Applevis post, "Report-An-Accessibility-Bug-Friday”, 
an effort to get these bugs noticed:
http://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/report-accessibility-bug-friday

It’d be very cool to get this going by tomorrow, although it hasn’t received a 
response yet.

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Re: How do I get a word count in Pages?

[Jamie Pauls]

Hi, Anne,

I see the Show Word count option, but it is not a button. Pressing it simply 
changes the menu item to Hide Word Count. I managed to see the word count a 
couple times while looking around in the document layout area, but I can’t 
reliably find the info. Sadly, TextEdit isn’t quite the word processor I need 
and Pages seems a bit more frustrating to me that it’s worth. I’ll keep 
plugging away, though. Thanks.

Take care and have a great day.
Jamie Pauls
jamiepa...@gmail.com



> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jamie,
> 
> To get the number of words, characters, paragraphs, etc in Pages, just go to 
> the View menu and down to Show Word Count. It appears as a menu button and 
> pressing VO-Space on it will give you the other options.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 16:56, Jamie Pauls > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, list members,
>> 
>> I need to get the word count on a document I am writing using the latest 
>> version of Pages. An article I read said to use the inspector, but I’m still 
>> not finding what I am looking for. Has anyone written a script for this? It 
>> seems like it might be a good candidate, but I’m not the guy to do it, I 
>> don’t think. Regardless of the method, an explanation of how to get a word 
>> count in a document  would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help.
>> 
>> Take care and have a great day.
>> Jamie Pauls
>> jamiepa...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Am I nuts, or is Alex way better now?

[christopher hallsworth]

I use Alex on both my Mac and iPad Mini 2. Do not have a compatible iPhone to 
use ALex on.
> On 12 Feb 2015, at 07:37, Garth Humphreys  wrote:
> 
> I do love Alex on the Mac, then again I've always used Alex there. Even 
> though I can also use him on my iPhone, I tend to stick to Karen the 
> Australian voice, on the phone. Foolishly perhaps, these decisions, I think 
> are based more on what feels right than on the effectiveness of any given 
> voice on the particular platform.  When of use the HQ Karen on my Mac, that 
> just doesn't feel right either. ;)  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 11 Feb 2015, at 3:50 am, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> One thing i don’t like is that we who does not speak english as a main 
> language only can use nuance voices and acapella.
> I think also the svox voices for swedish is available for mac.
> I don’t know if ivona has swedish included and if they have a mac version.
> /A  
>> 9 feb 2015 kl. 03:56 skrev Devin Prater > >:
>> 
>> The only thing I don't like is that Alex seems to studder and skip a little 
>> on the mac, but he doesn't do that on the iPhone. So I use Fred on the mac 
>> because of that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>>> What words did you find he ran together?  I use him as my default all the 
>>> time, and only thing I've found that sounds really weird, is when you try 
>>> to log in anywhere and go to the usual "remember me," checkbox, when he 
>>> speaks the "remember me," he sounds like he either has his teeth clenched, 
>>> or has something in his mouth, which always makes me cringe, and I've 
>>> always thought it really weird that he sounds like that.
>>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 First, yes, this is about a speech synthesizer, and will thus be very 
 subjective. I wanted to see, though, if anyone else might have come to the 
 same conclusion I have.
 
 I got a Mac in the days of Lion, and quickly switched to the Vocalizer 
 voices (Serena or Lee, mostly). When we got new ones in Mavericks, I 
 favored Ava, and she is still among the best voices I know of, except a 
 couple from Ivona. In testing things for Yosemite, I kept switching from 
 Ava to Alex, just to see if any problems were being caused by the use of 
 Nuance voices. I accidentally made a startling discovery: Alex used to be 
 pretty bad a few years ago, but now, he's quite good. I've always liked 
 the breathing thing, but Alex would constantly run words together, 
 mispronounce syllables, and have other small problems that made him hard 
 to understand, especially at higher speeds. The more I use him in 
 Yosemite, though, the more I look for reasons to switch back to Ava, but 
 the more those reasons allude me. Ava misses the period after certain 
 words, like "app", Alex doesn't; Ava says "capital" before uppercase 
 letters, although that setting is disabled, and Alex doesn't; VoiceOver 
 has delays when opening the VO Utility or bringing up VO menus while using 
 Nuance voices, but with Alex, I find no such delays; and more.
 
 So, is it just me, or has Alex gotten way better? I don't mean "better" in 
 that VoiceOver runs faster while using Alex, although it certainly does. I 
 mean "better" in that, compared to a few years ago, he's far clearer when 
 speaking and makes far fewer mistakes. Maybe I'm misremembering, or maybe 
 I'm the only one to notice, since the change was likely gradual and thus 
 invisible to those who have used Alex all along. Either way, I'm 
 interested in hearing your thoughts, and I'm more eager than ever to 
 obtain a 64-bit iPhone so I can start using Alex there as well. My only 
 complaint about Alex is that he doesn't speed up very well - sure, he can 
 go crazy fast, but I find I miss things at more than 70% speaking rate. 
 Anyway, what do you all think? If you haven't used Alex in a long time, 
 give him another chance. If you use him all the time, have you noticed 
 anything?
 
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Re: Am I nuts, or is Alex way better now?

[Cheryl Homiak]

I do use Alex on my i-devices though I also use Karen and Daniel and 
occasionally Samantha. I still don't really like Alex on the Mac but would 
rather use Karen or from the infovox voices Ryan or Heather or sometimes Will. 
Voices are such a matter of individual preference.

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On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:15 PM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

I use Alex on both my Mac and iPad Mini 2. Do not have a compatible iPhone to 
use ALex on.
> On 12 Feb 2015, at 07:37, Garth Humphreys  > wrote:
> 
> I do love Alex on the Mac, then again I've always used Alex there. Even 
> though I can also use him on my iPhone, I tend to stick to Karen the 
> Australian voice, on the phone. Foolishly perhaps, these decisions, I think 
> are based more on what feels right than on the effectiveness of any given 
> voice on the particular platform.  When of use the HQ Karen on my Mac, that 
> just doesn't feel right either. ;)  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 11 Feb 2015, at 3:50 am, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> One thing i don’t like is that we who does not speak english as a main 
> language only can use nuance voices and acapella.
> I think also the svox voices for swedish is available for mac.
> I don’t know if ivona has swedish included and if they have a mac version.
> /A  
>> 9 feb 2015 kl. 03:56 skrev Devin Prater > >:
>> 
>> The only thing I don't like is that Alex seems to studder and skip a little 
>> on the mac, but he doesn't do that on the iPhone. So I use Fred on the mac 
>> because of that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>>> What words did you find he ran together?  I use him as my default all the 
>>> time, and only thing I've found that sounds really weird, is when you try 
>>> to log in anywhere and go to the usual "remember me," checkbox, when he 
>>> speaks the "remember me," he sounds like he either has his teeth clenched, 
>>> or has something in his mouth, which always makes me cringe, and I've 
>>> always thought it really weird that he sounds like that.
>>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 First, yes, this is about a speech synthesizer, and will thus be very 
 subjective. I wanted to see, though, if anyone else might have come to the 
 same conclusion I have.
 
 I got a Mac in the days of Lion, and quickly switched to the Vocalizer 
 voices (Serena or Lee, mostly). When we got new ones in Mavericks, I 
 favored Ava, and she is still among the best voices I know of, except a 
 couple from Ivona. In testing things for Yosemite, I kept switching from 
 Ava to Alex, just to see if any problems were being caused by the use of 
 Nuance voices. I accidentally made a startling discovery: Alex used to be 
 pretty bad a few years ago, but now, he's quite good. I've always liked 
 the breathing thing, but Alex would constantly run words together, 
 mispronounce syllables, and have other small problems that made him hard 
 to understand, especially at higher speeds. The more I use him in 
 Yosemite, though, the more I look for reasons to switch back to Ava, but 
 the more those reasons allude me. Ava misses the period after certain 
 words, like "app", Alex doesn't; Ava says "capital" before uppercase 
 letters, although that setting is disabled, and Alex doesn't; VoiceOver 
 has delays when opening the VO Utility or bringing up VO menus while using 
 Nuance voices, but with Alex, I find no such delays; and more.
 
 So, is it just me, or has Alex gotten way better? I don't mean "better" in 
 that VoiceOver runs faster while using Alex, although it certainly does. I 
 mean "better" in that, compared to a few years ago, he's far clearer when 
 speaking and makes far fewer mistakes. Maybe I'm misremembering, or maybe 
 I'm the only one to notice, since the change was likely gradual and thus 
 invisible to those who have used Alex all along. Either way, I'm 
 interested in hearing your thoughts, and I'm more eager than ever to 
 obtain a 64-bit iPhone so I can start using Alex there as well. My only 
 complaint about Alex is that he doesn't speed up very well - sure, he can 
 go crazy fast, but I find I miss things at more than 70% speaking rate. 
 Anyway, what do you all think? If you haven't used Alex in a long time, 
 give him another chance. If you use him all the time, have you noticed 
 anything?
 
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Re: Paprika recipe manager how to show a recipe?

[Agent086b]

Hello,
thanks that works. How does a sited person do this?
Thanks again.
Max.

> On 13 Feb 2015, at 4:44 am, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> vo shift m choose open.
>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> sometime ago I purchased Paprika Recipe Manager for the Mac & iPhone.
>> We have added a recipe in our Mac version I can find the recipe but can’t 
>> open it. I am on the recipe name and have tried CMD O & VO space also Shift 
>> VO space twice quickly none of which worked. Have I clicked something to 
>> hide the recipe view or something?
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Max.
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Re: How do I get a word count in Pages?

[Jamie Pauls]

Hi, Anne and all,

After closing Pages and relaunching, I am now able to see the word count plain 
as day. Before, I was looking at a Word document that I had brought into Pages, 
and I was seeing a lot of information that appeared very graphical in nature. 
Something about rectangles and placeholders. Not sure what was going on there, 
but after relaunching Pages, I can easily find the word count in a practice 
document I created plus the original Word file I was playing with. Just thought 
I’d better write back and let you know that I was having better luck than when 
I last spoke. Thanks for the help.

Take care and have a great day.
Jamie Pauls
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> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jamie,
> 
> To get the number of words, characters, paragraphs, etc in Pages, just go to 
> the View menu and down to Show Word Count. It appears as a menu button and 
> pressing VO-Space on it will give you the other options.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 16:56, Jamie Pauls > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, list members,
>> 
>> I need to get the word count on a document I am writing using the latest 
>> version of Pages. An article I read said to use the inspector, but I’m still 
>> not finding what I am looking for. Has anyone written a script for this? It 
>> seems like it might be a good candidate, but I’m not the guy to do it, I 
>> don’t think. Regardless of the method, an explanation of how to get a word 
>> count in a document  would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help.
>> 
>> Take care and have a great day.
>> Jamie Pauls
>> jamiepa...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Paprika recipe manager how to show a recipe?

[Alex Hall]

According to my sighted sister, you simply click the desired recipe one time to 
open it. My impression is that Paprika is good about feedback, so email them 
and ask if they can fix this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2015, at 15:24, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> thanks that works. How does a sited person do this?
> Thanks again.
> Max.
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2015, at 4:44 am, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> vo shift m choose open.
>>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> sometime ago I purchased Paprika Recipe Manager for the Mac & iPhone.
>>> We have added a recipe in our Mac version I can find the recipe but can’t 
>>> open it. I am on the recipe name and have tried CMD O & VO space also Shift 
>>> VO space twice quickly none of which worked. Have I clicked something to 
>>> hide the recipe view or something?
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max.
>>> 
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'Phorm' Case Adds Morphing Tactile Keyboard to iPad Mini - Mac Rumors

[Barry Hadder]

I thought that some on the list might find the link below interesting.

> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/12/phorm-morphing-ipad-mini-keyboard/ 
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Re: Display media by genre

[The Believer]

Tim,
   That sounds like a good idea, will do that. Is there a way to delete 
genres from the list of genres? I have some that are sort of duplicates.


From The Believer. . .
 . . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 2/11/2015 10:39 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

You could make a Smart Playlist with the criteria set to match with a specific 
genre.  Then as you go through the playlist, if you don’t wish for a certain 
title to be tagged under that genre, do a cmd-i (Get Info) on it, change the 
Genre and it will auto-magically disappear from the Smart Playlist.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 11, 2015, at 22:52, The Believer  wrote:

   Itunes 12. I know one can sort media by various criteria. I want to display 
one genre at a time so I can check what titles are in each genre. Is this 
possible?

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Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I agree about the Braille.  I have not used my Braille display very much with 
the Mac because of what William says in his message.  I thought by now as the 
Mac Operating Systems matured and developed, we'd have better Braille support.  
May be Freedom Scientific best give them a hand since they may go bust if GW 
Micro and Microsoft become more compatible as all Jaws users may switch to 
Windoweyes as well as all the organisations to have Freedom Scientific in their 
pockets.  Sorry Jonathan, I know you are a fan of the Podcast!

Kawal.
> On 12 Feb 2015, at 19:42, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I totally agree with you William regarding braille support.
> Its so basic that i seldom use it at all.
> It would be really intresting if we could show them how things work now and 
> how things should work.
> /A
>> 12 feb 2015 kl. 07:10 skrev William Windels :
>> 
>> Of course, this is done also but any support or remark of you as 
>> voiceover-users is also very welcome
>> 
>> 
>> Mvg
>> william Windels
>> 
>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
>> 
>>> Op 12-feb.-2015 om 06:30 heeft Faisal ali  het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> I think that this kind of an email should be directed toward apple 
>>> accessibility as they can address some of your issues?
 On Feb 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, William Windels  
 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I am writing to you since the progress of the accessibility features are 
 really pour in the last releases of osx 10.10.2.
 The mac is still missing some important features against windows with a 
 commercial screenreader, and this after more 6 years of  voiceover as 
 built-in screenreader.
 Ok, voiceover is still a free, built-in screenreader but on windows , 
 there are 2 free screenreader for the windows platform that are better in 
 some cases than voiceover.
 
 Braille is still very basicnin osx:
 Some daily problems I discover with voiceover:
 I can’t follow courses with only braille output (without speech) during 
 colleges.
 I mean: there is some important information missing on the braille display 
 that’s only available with speech.
 
 What is missing:
>> 1- no option for word wrapping: this can be useful for fast reading 
>> (loudly);
>> 2- no different modes line, structured, speech (like in jaws): specialy 
>> structured mode in jaws is configurable, type of controls is shown, 
>> interaction-levels could be shown on this way. 
>> It’s e.g. very frustrating if you are in a text area and you can read 
>> all with the braille-line but you can’t edit or simply move the cursor 
>> to any position that is visible on the braille display.
>> 
>> 3- to know if quicknav is on/off before moving isn’t possible also.
>> On this way , it’s very easy to lose your position in a text-area or a 
>> window.
>> The quick-nav option has also some bugs in general but is sometimes very 
>> useful for navigation (and specially on a macbook).
 
>> 4- In some cases, the text that’s in the voiceover cursor is (always) 
>> underlineed with dots 7-8. On this way , no other attributes are shown 
>> and the cursor isn’t shown. If dots 7,8 are turned off, the cursor isn’t 
>> visible at all and capitals aren’t shown also.
>> 
>> 5- When i put the cursor on a letter in a text I delete a .(dot) sign on 
>> the left sign of the cursor and voiceover says sometimes something else.
 
 
 
 further  braille bugs:
 cursor routing on the first sign of the braille-display: the text on the 
 display is gone;
 when composing a message to multiple recipients , while the speech is 
 saying correctly the contact that has the focus, the braille display isn’t 
 following.
 
>> Further:
 
 
 Some bugs since 10.9 aren’t fixed:
 the icons in the statusbar like the third party app dropbox can’t be 
 accessed with voiceover from there.
 The drag and drop-function with voiceover is not improved since the 
 introduction in osx 10.7 and  gives not the same possibilities for blind 
 users as for sighted users.
 The button to mount all external (network)-stations at once in finder is 
 not accessible with voiceover;
 
 And some different points:
 Ibooks was basically accessible with voiceover after one update from osx 
 10.9 to osx 10.10.
 
 iWork’s is mainly accessible but is still missing some important 
 compatibility options to work together with ms office.
 (most of the people that work in a administrative job, use windows with ms 
 office).
 
 I still love the mac because of some intuïtive features like the trackpad 
 with voiceover, time-machine, the possibility to maintain the system as 
 blind user on my own.
 But , I don’t know if the newest features for blind users are good and 
 innovative enough to spend that 

Re: 'Phorm' Case Adds Morphing Tactile Keyboard to iPad Mini - Mac Rumors

[BobH.]

It could be a game changer, interested to try one,  not sure if I'd want to 
shell out that much simply to try though.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Hadder" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:07 PM
Subject: 'Phorm' Case Adds Morphing Tactile Keyboard to iPad Mini - Mac 
Rumors


I thought that some on the list might find the link below interesting.

> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/12/phorm-morphing-ipad-mini-keyboard/ 
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integrated programming environment

[Todor Fassl]

I am a programmer, mostly php, perl, and bash. I'd like to try to use my 
Mac as a development machine to write the code. Any suggestions for a 
text editor to use to write code? Right now, I mostly use gedit on linux.


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Can I change the speed of a recording with Amadeus Pro?

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
I have an old tape that I think was recorded at 1.78 inches per second. I have 
just obtained a real to real recorder that will only run at 3.3/4 or 7.5 inches 
per second. Can I slow the speed with Amadeus by half so I can hear the 
original recording? The original tape was recorded 45 years ago and is very 
important to my wife and I.
Thanks again for any advice.
Max.

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Re: Display media by genre

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If it’s a genre that you’ve entered yourself, once you eliminate all instances 
of that genre within your iTunes database, it will no longer appear.  If it is 
one of the default ones that iTunes generates themselves, then I’ve never 
tried, but I don’t believe that there is a way to delete them.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 12, 2015, at 14:24, The Believer  wrote:

Tim,
 That sounds like a good idea, will do that. Is there a way to delete genres 
from the list of genres? I have some that are sort of duplicates.

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On 2/11/2015 10:39 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> You could make a Smart Playlist with the criteria set to match with a 
> specific genre.  Then as you go through the playlist, if you don’t wish for a 
> certain title to be tagged under that genre, do a cmd-i (Get Info) on it, 
> change the Genre and it will auto-magically disappear from the Smart Playlist.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 11, 2015, at 22:52, The Believer  wrote:
> 
>  Itunes 12. I know one can sort media by various criteria. I want to display 
> one genre at a time so I can check what titles are in each genre. Is this 
> possible?
> 
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Re: integrated programming environment

[Tyler Thompson]

Actually you could use Xcode and just call your files “other”, alternately text 
wrangler supports a line count and quite a few syntax options although i’m no 
sure as to it’s accessibility
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I am a programmer, mostly php, perl, and bash. I'd like to try to use my Mac 
> as a development machine to write the code. Any suggestions for a text editor 
> to use to write code? Right now, I mostly use gedit on linux.
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Re: integrated programming environment

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

Have you looked at textedit on your Mac? I see in the preferences  an option to 
display html code. I should imagine it will be very much like gedit. It’s been 
some years since I looked at Gnome.

I’ve used emacs within a console. It’s just about useable. I haven’t tried vi 
for working on code. I think most of these were installed via Mac Ports but 
nano is on by default.

VoiceOver is not great in the console and as you are used to working in Gnome I 
guess you prefer a GUI. But the languages you suggested are typically very text 
orientated.

Did you use orca to access GEdit ? I would checkout the macports project or 
brew if you like ruby. But I don’t think there is any mileage in trying to run 
Gnome on the Mac.

HTH

Gena

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 22:08, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I am a programmer, mostly php, perl, and bash. I'd like to try to use my Mac 
> as a development machine to write the code. Any suggestions for a text editor 
> to use to write code? Right now, I mostly use gedit on linux.
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Re: Display media by genre

[The Believer]

   Thanks, that was just what happened.

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On 2/12/2015 1:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

If it’s a genre that you’ve entered yourself, once you eliminate all instances 
of that genre within your iTunes database, it will no longer appear.  If it is 
one of the default ones that iTunes generates themselves, then I’ve never 
tried, but I don’t believe that there is a way to delete them.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 12, 2015, at 14:24, The Believer  wrote:

Tim,
  That sounds like a good idea, will do that. Is there a way to delete genres 
from the list of genres? I have some that are sort of duplicates.

 From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 2/11/2015 10:39 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

You could make a Smart Playlist with the criteria set to match with a specific 
genre.  Then as you go through the playlist, if you don’t wish for a certain 
title to be tagged under that genre, do a cmd-i (Get Info) on it, change the 
Genre and it will auto-magically disappear from the Smart Playlist.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 11, 2015, at 22:52, The Believer  wrote:

  Itunes 12. I know one can sort media by various criteria. I want to display 
one genre at a time so I can check what titles are in each genre. Is this 
possible?

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Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

[Barry Hadder]

Well, as I don’t use braille, I will not comment to much on  that except just 
to say that I think it’s a little odd to seemingly not egknolege the 
significance of an off the shelf system with braille support out of the box and 
not find away to make good use of it.  
  With that said, there are some problems with some of your assertions that I 
feel need to be addrest since nobody else has done so yet.  I Also should point 
out that it is unclear to me at times whether or not your points are in 
reference to braille or speech.  So, there may be some occasional 
misunderstanding on my part.

1.  Third party icons on the status bar are accessible with Voiceover.  
Specifically the Dropbox app.  Any problems that may occur will be more to due 
with the third party developer rather than Apple.  I don’t understand why you 
said they can’t be accessed with Voiceover.
2.  The idea that there should be some kind of constant indicator that quicknav 
is turned on is your opinion.  It is not an accessibility issue.  This could be 
classified as a feature request however.
3.  What do you mean by network stations?  I have no idea what button in finder 
that you are referring to that connects to all available network shares at 
once.  I know of no such button nor have I found any reference to this function 
in the help documentation.  Finding and connecting to network shares in finder 
is quite easy to do with voiceover and if you want OS X to automatically 
connect to shares on your network, you can easily set this up in user 
preferences.  So, I see no accessibility issue here.  It’s possible however 
that I’m not understanding what you are referring to, but in any event I fail 
to see how this one thing could impact the usability of OS X for blind people 
to the extent that one would email Tim Cook.
4.  Your subject is quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities. 
 However, I don’t see how iWork compatibility with MS office has anything to do 
spasifically with blind people being able to use OS X.
5.  With regard to manipulating the mouse with vo, there are some valid 
concerns that need to be addressed, but emailing Tim Cook is not the correct 
way to do that.  I think it should also be said that flooding Apple with 
invalid complaints will increase the risk that the valid ones will go unnoticed 
or be ignored.

Finally, it’s good to hope for and expect new innovations including ones for 
disabilities, but it is also necessary to egknolege what has been done which I 
think is considerable and to be willing to make good use of what we have.


On Feb 11, 2015, at 4:38 PM, William Windels  wrote:

Hello,

I am writing to you since the progress of the accessibility features are really 
pour in the last releases of osx 10.10.2.
The mac is still missing some important features against windows with a 
commercial screenreader, and this after more 6 years of  voiceover as built-in 
screenreader.
Ok, voiceover is still a free, built-in screenreader but on windows , there are 
2 free screenreader for the windows platform that are better in some cases than 
voiceover.

Braille is still very basicnin osx:
Some daily problems I discover with voiceover:
I can’t follow courses with only braille output (without speech) during 
colleges.
I mean: there is some important information missing on the braille display 
that’s only available with speech.

What is missing:
>> 1- no option for word wrapping: this can be useful for fast reading (loudly);
>> 2- no different modes line, structured, speech (like in jaws): specialy 
>> structured mode in jaws is configurable, type of controls is shown, 
>> interaction-levels could be shown on this way. 
>> It’s e.g. very frustrating if you are in a text area and you can read all 
>> with the braille-line but you can’t edit or simply move the cursor to any 
>> position that is visible on the braille display.
>> 
>> 3- to know if quicknav is on/off before moving isn’t possible also.
>> On this way , it’s very easy to lose your position in a text-area or a 
>> window.
>> The quick-nav option has also some bugs in general but is sometimes very 
>> useful for navigation (and specially on a macbook).

>> 4- In some cases, the text that’s in the voiceover cursor is (always) 
>> underlineed with dots 7-8. On this way , no other attributes are shown and 
>> the cursor isn’t shown. If dots 7,8 are turned off, the cursor isn’t visible 
>> at all and capitals aren’t shown also.
>> 
>> 5- When i put the cursor on a letter in a text I delete a .(dot) sign on the 
>> left sign of the cursor and voiceover says sometimes something else.



further  braille bugs:
cursor routing on the first sign of the braille-display: the text on the 
display is gone;
when composing a message to multiple recipients , while the speech is saying 
correctly the contact that has the focus, the braille display isn’t following.

>> Further:


Some bugs since 10.9 aren’t fixed:
the icons in the statusbar like the third pa

an interesting observation

[Faisal ali]

so in itunes 12.1, I noticed that doing VO j to jump lands you back to the 
column browser instead of in the LCD section like it did before. I actually 
quite like this as before, one would need to do VO j twice to land them back to 
column browser. 

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Re: Can I change the speed of a recording with Amadeus Pro?

[Phil Halton]

in fact you can. I just listened to Jonathan Mosen’s excellent AmadeusPro 
tutorial where he demonstrates just such a technique. He had some very old 
cassette tapes that were recorded at half speed, and he showed how he ws able 
to bring  them into AP,  clean them up by removing tape hiss and then save them 
to a file.

I highly recommend getting his tutorial. For the price you’ll learn much about 
AP including this technique. 
Maybe Jonathan will chime in here with a more definitive and authoritative 
answer, but your need sounds exactly like what he demonstrated in his tutorial.
.

www.mosen.org 
  
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have an old tape that I think was recorded at 1.78 inches per second. I 
> have just obtained a real to real recorder that will only run at 3.3/4 or 7.5 
> inches per second. Can I slow the speed with Amadeus by half so I can hear 
> the original recording? The original tape was recorded 45 years ago and is 
> very important to my wife and I.
> Thanks again for any advice.
> Max.
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Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

[David Griffith]

I too must confess that I am not a braille user on the Mac so cannot comment on 
how frustrating this is. however there do seem to be  a lot of people using 
Braille happily on the MacVisionaries list so perhaps there is some expertise 
you can tap into there to get support. Apart from that I agree with all 
Barry has said. I also agree that there are areas that the experience on the 
Mac can improve but equally I could compile a much longer list of complaints / 
disappointments with Windows and the various Screenreaders and Windows OS 
problems. . . Only today I was experiencing the frustration of Jaw’s inability 
to accurately copy and paste text to and from   ,html content. This is a long 
standing annoyance at what should be a basic function which has existed for me 
since Jaws 14 and shows no sign of being resolved in 16.
 I can work around it by using NVDA but this and other deficiencies definitely 
exist on Windows. I still prefer the Mac overwhelmingly for many functions, 
including web browsing.
 The Mac also provides for free a voice dictation and command interface which 
forme personally outperforms anything I have bought on the Windows 
platform, including Dragon Naturally   Speaking.

I agree that there is a problem with the implementation of advance Office 
support on the Mac. However this is to a large extent about the lack of depth 
in the compilation of strategies compared to the information, tutorials and 
guides available on the Windows side. Apple has relatively little interest in 
promoting Microsoft Office and will pay lip service only to supporting this 
format in many cases. This is understandable given the competing nature of 
their suites.
Hopefully there is a lot to look forward to when the allegedly fully Voiceover 
accessible version of Microsoft Office is released later this year.

I am in the fortunate position of having access to Mac and Windows. For some 
things only Windows will do. For example Safari seems to fall over with my bank 
web site. Equally there are things I will always if given a preference will do 
on the Mac side. In general for me as long as it works, I prefer doing things 
on the Mac now. 

However I want to advance my capability  on all platforms. I try to learn as 
much as I can about not just Windows and Mac OS, but also iOS and Android. 
Unfortunately I have never been able to get a Linux/vinux environment working 
properly otherwise I would be delving into that as well.  Some might see this 
as a geeky approach but my view in the struggle to overcome visual impairment 
we should, if we can afford it, utilise every useful option open to us.

In the spectrum of options available I think both MacOs and iOS have defensible 
and honourable records.

David Griffith
  
  
> On 12 Feb 2015, at 23:29, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> Well, as I don’t use braille, I will not comment to much on  that except just 
> to say that I think it’s a little odd to seemingly not egknolege the 
> significance of an off the shelf system with braille support out of the box 
> and not find away to make good use of it.  
>  With that said, there are some problems with some of your assertions that I 
> feel need to be addrest since nobody else has done so yet.  I Also should 
> point out that it is unclear to me at times whether or not your points are in 
> reference to braille or speech.  So, there may be some occasional 
> misunderstanding on my part.
> 
> 1.  Third party icons on the status bar are accessible with Voiceover.  
> Specifically the Dropbox app.  Any problems that may occur will be more to 
> due with the third party developer rather than Apple.  I don’t understand why 
> you said they can’t be accessed with Voiceover.
> 2.  The idea that there should be some kind of constant indicator that 
> quicknav is turned on is your opinion.  It is not an accessibility issue.  
> This could be classified as a feature request however.
> 3.  What do you mean by network stations?  I have no idea what button in 
> finder that you are referring to that connects to all available network 
> shares at once.  I know of no such button nor have I found any reference to 
> this function in the help documentation.  Finding and connecting to network 
> shares in finder is quite easy to do with voiceover and if you want OS X to 
> automatically connect to shares on your network, you can easily set this up 
> in user preferences.  So, I see no accessibility issue here.  It’s possible 
> however that I’m not understanding what you are referring to, but in any 
> event I fail to see how this one thing could impact the usability of OS X for 
> blind people to the extent that one would email Tim Cook.
> 4.  Your subject is quality of osx with voiceover for people with 
> dissablities.  However, I don’t see how iWork compatibility with MS office 
> has anything to do spasifically with blind people being able to use OS X.
> 5.  With regard to manipulating the mouse with vo, there are some val

Re: Can I change the speed of a recording with Amadeus Pro?

[Agent086b]

Thanks,
I do intend to get his tutorial but have been spending a lot of money on 
repairs to our house lately.
Max.

> On 13 Feb 2015, at 11:30 am, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> in fact you can. I just listened to Jonathan Mosen’s excellent AmadeusPro 
> tutorial where he demonstrates just such a technique. He had some very old 
> cassette tapes that were recorded at half speed, and he showed how he ws able 
> to bring  them into AP,  clean them up by removing tape hiss and then save 
> them to a file.
> 
> I highly recommend getting his tutorial. For the price you’ll learn much 
> about AP including this technique. 
> Maybe Jonathan will chime in here with a more definitive and authoritative 
> answer, but your need sounds exactly like what he demonstrated in his 
> tutorial.
> .
> 
> www.mosen.org 
>   
>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Agent086b > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have an old tape that I think was recorded at 1.78 inches per second. I 
>> have just obtained a real to real recorder that will only run at 3.3/4 or 
>> 7.5 inches per second. Can I slow the speed with Amadeus by half so I can 
>> hear the original recording? The original tape was recorded 45 years ago and 
>> is very important to my wife and I.
>> Thanks again for any advice.
>> Max.
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Re: Reading a PDF in Preview

[David Griffith]

I have had to start using Nisus Writer Pro to read PDFs as I no longer find 
Preview usable.
Interestingly  I can no longer  find the scroll area you describe.
I have experimented with single page and continuous  scroll view but might  
appear  
 to work. I find is something called  PDF content group, if I interact with 
that all I find is something call static text. If I interact with that I simply 
get an error sound if I try and reading or navigation commands.

David Griffith

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:24, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> typically I find that i have to interact twice in the scroll area to get at 
> the text. Once there I can use the VO reading commands like VO + arrow keys, 
> or VO + function +  command down / up for sentence and VO + function + shift 
> + up/down arrow for paragraph.
> This pertains to files I open from the finder, and not from within the mail 
> program, but I don’t think that should matter much.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
>> 
>> I clicked on a PDF in OS 10.9. 5’s Mail. I keep getting to double quote. and 
>> can not get to the text. How does a person read text in preview?
>> 
>> Angus MacKinnon
>> 
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Re: Am I nuts, or is Alex way better now?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Happy Will or normal Will? I find that normal Will sounds too much like Paul 
from Neospeech.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

> On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> I do use Alex on my i-devices though I also use Karen and Daniel and 
> occasionally Samantha. I still don't really like Alex on the Mac but would 
> rather use Karen or from the infovox voices Ryan or Heather or sometimes 
> Will. Voices are such a matter of individual preference.
> 
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> 
> "Move forward by looking back!
> "Above all, fear the Lord
> and worship Him faithfully with all your heart;
> consider the great things He has done for you."
> (1 Samuel 12:24 (HCSB)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:15 PM, christopher hallsworth  > wrote:
> 
> I use Alex on both my Mac and iPad Mini 2. Do not have a compatible iPhone to 
> use ALex on.
>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 07:37, Garth Humphreys > > wrote:
>> 
>> I do love Alex on the Mac, then again I've always used Alex there. Even 
>> though I can also use him on my iPhone, I tend to stick to Karen the 
>> Australian voice, on the phone. Foolishly perhaps, these decisions, I think 
>> are based more on what feels right than on the effectiveness of any given 
>> voice on the particular platform.  When of use the HQ Karen on my Mac, that 
>> just doesn't feel right either. ;)  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 11 Feb 2015, at 3:50 am, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> One thing i don’t like is that we who does not speak english as a main 
>> language only can use nuance voices and acapella.
>> I think also the svox voices for swedish is available for mac.
>> I don’t know if ivona has swedish included and if they have a mac version.
>> /A  
>>> 9 feb 2015 kl. 03:56 skrev Devin Prater >> >:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I don't like is that Alex seems to studder and skip a little 
>>> on the mac, but he doesn't do that on the iPhone. So I use Fred on the mac 
>>> because of that.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
 What words did you find he ran together?  I use him as my default all the 
 time, and only thing I've found that sounds really weird, is when you try 
 to log in anywhere and go to the usual "remember me," checkbox, when he 
 speaks the "remember me," he sounds like he either has his teeth clenched, 
 or has something in his mouth, which always makes me cringe, and I've 
 always thought it really weird that he sounds like that.
 On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall >>> > wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> First, yes, this is about a speech synthesizer, and will thus be very 
> subjective. I wanted to see, though, if anyone else might have come to 
> the same conclusion I have.
> 
> I got a Mac in the days of Lion, and quickly switched to the Vocalizer 
> voices (Serena or Lee, mostly). When we got new ones in Mavericks, I 
> favored Ava, and she is still among the best voices I know of, except a 
> couple from Ivona. In testing things for Yosemite, I kept switching from 
> Ava to Alex, just to see if any problems were being caused by the use of 
> Nuance voices. I accidentally made a startling discovery: Alex used to be 
> pretty bad a few years ago, but now, he's quite good. I've always liked 
> the breathing thing, but Alex would constantly run words together, 
> mispronounce syllables, and have other small problems that made him hard 
> to understand, especially at higher speeds. The more I use him in 
> Yosemite, though, the more I look for reasons to switch back to Ava, but 
> the more those reasons allude me. Ava misses the period after certain 
> words, like "app", Alex doesn't; Ava says "capital" before uppercase 
> letters, although that setting is disabled, and Alex doesn't; VoiceOver 
> has delays when opening the VO Utility or bringing up VO menus while 
> using Nuance voices, but with Alex, I find no such delays; and more.
> 
> So, is it just me, or has Alex gotten way better? I don't mean "better" 
> in that VoiceOver runs faster while using Alex, although it certainly 
> does. I mean "better" in that, compared to a few years ago, he's far 
> clearer when speaking and makes far fewer mistakes. Maybe I'm 
> misremembering, or maybe I'm the only one to notice, since the change was 
> likely gradual and thus invisible to those who have used Alex all along. 
> Either way, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts, and I'm more eager 
> than ever to obtain a 64-bit iPhone so I can start using Alex there as 
> well. My only complaint about Alex is that he doesn't speed up very well 
> - sure, he can go crazy fast, but I find I miss things at more than 70% 
> speaking r

how to play midi files?

[Vivianna]

hi all.
i am trying to play simple midi files on my mac air, running the latest 
yosemite and, i have absolutely no idea how to do it?
when i activate the button on the website to start the midi, it opens up 
garageBand.  i don’t know where to go or what to do from there.  i do not see 
the name of the file, any play or start or some such.
is it necessary for me to learn garageBand to play these files or, is there 
another way to play them?
and, if i do need to use garageBand, is there any super simple, really really 
easy beginner tutorial or podcast somewhere?
thanks much.

Vivianna

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Some External Hard Drive Questions

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey all. Today I bought an external hard drive because of that freak accident 
with my Mac a few weeks ago. So I got a few questions about it.

1. I want to do a time machine backup of my entire HD. However, I have a whole 
bunch of youtube videos I copied onto another system other than my Mac. Can I 
copy over those videos onto the external drive without partitioning it?

2. If I have to partition the drive, how would I go about doing that?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: Some External Hard Drive Questions

[Lorie McCloud]

from my limited experience with this sort of thing I don’t think you’d have to 
partition your external hard drive but you might need to reformat it before you 
start putting stuff on it if it doesn’t work for multiple operating systems.
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> On Feb 12, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey all. Today I bought an external hard drive because of that freak accident 
> with my Mac a few weeks ago. So I got a few questions about it.
> 
> 1. I want to do a time machine backup of my entire HD. However, I have a 
> whole bunch of youtube videos I copied onto another system other than my Mac. 
> Can I copy over those videos onto the external drive without partitioning it?
> 
> 2. If I have to partition the drive, how would I go about doing that?
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Shawn
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Re: Am I nuts, or is Alex way better now?

[Cheryl Homiak]

I believe it's normal Will i'm using but I admit I don't like him as Will as 
Heather and Ryan.

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On Feb 12, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Happy Will or normal Will? I find that normal Will sounds too much like Paul 
from Neospeech.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

> On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Cheryl Homiak  > wrote:
> 
> I do use Alex on my i-devices though I also use Karen and Daniel and 
> occasionally Samantha. I still don't really like Alex on the Mac but would 
> rather use Karen or from the infovox voices Ryan or Heather or sometimes 
> Will. Voices are such a matter of individual preference.
> 
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> 
> "Move forward by looking back!
> "Above all, fear the Lord
> and worship Him faithfully with all your heart;
> consider the great things He has done for you."
> (1 Samuel 12:24 (HCSB)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:15 PM, christopher hallsworth  > wrote:
> 
> I use Alex on both my Mac and iPad Mini 2. Do not have a compatible iPhone to 
> use ALex on.
>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 07:37, Garth Humphreys > > wrote:
>> 
>> I do love Alex on the Mac, then again I've always used Alex there. Even 
>> though I can also use him on my iPhone, I tend to stick to Karen the 
>> Australian voice, on the phone. Foolishly perhaps, these decisions, I think 
>> are based more on what feels right than on the effectiveness of any given 
>> voice on the particular platform.  When of use the HQ Karen on my Mac, that 
>> just doesn't feel right either. ;)  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 11 Feb 2015, at 3:50 am, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> One thing i don’t like is that we who does not speak english as a main 
>> language only can use nuance voices and acapella.
>> I think also the svox voices for swedish is available for mac.
>> I don’t know if ivona has swedish included and if they have a mac version.
>> /A  
>>> 9 feb 2015 kl. 03:56 skrev Devin Prater >> >:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I don't like is that Alex seems to studder and skip a little 
>>> on the mac, but he doesn't do that on the iPhone. So I use Fred on the mac 
>>> because of that.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
 What words did you find he ran together?  I use him as my default all the 
 time, and only thing I've found that sounds really weird, is when you try 
 to log in anywhere and go to the usual "remember me," checkbox, when he 
 speaks the "remember me," he sounds like he either has his teeth clenched, 
 or has something in his mouth, which always makes me cringe, and I've 
 always thought it really weird that he sounds like that.
 On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall >>> > wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> First, yes, this is about a speech synthesizer, and will thus be very 
> subjective. I wanted to see, though, if anyone else might have come to 
> the same conclusion I have.
> 
> I got a Mac in the days of Lion, and quickly switched to the Vocalizer 
> voices (Serena or Lee, mostly). When we got new ones in Mavericks, I 
> favored Ava, and she is still among the best voices I know of, except a 
> couple from Ivona. In testing things for Yosemite, I kept switching from 
> Ava to Alex, just to see if any problems were being caused by the use of 
> Nuance voices. I accidentally made a startling discovery: Alex used to be 
> pretty bad a few years ago, but now, he's quite good. I've always liked 
> the breathing thing, but Alex would constantly run words together, 
> mispronounce syllables, and have other small problems that made him hard 
> to understand, especially at higher speeds. The more I use him in 
> Yosemite, though, the more I look for reasons to switch back to Ava, but 
> the more those reasons allude me. Ava misses the period after certain 
> words, like "app", Alex doesn't; Ava says "capital" before uppercase 
> letters, although that setting is disabled, and Alex doesn't; VoiceOver 
> has delays when opening the VO Utility or bringing up VO menus while 
> using Nuance voices, but with Alex, I find no such delays; and more.
> 
> So, is it just me, or has Alex gotten way better? I don't mean "better" 
> in that VoiceOver runs faster while using Alex, although it certainly 
> does. I mean "better" in that, compared to a few years ago, he's far 
> clearer when speaking and makes far fewer mistakes. Maybe I'm 
> misremembering, or maybe I'm the only one to notice, since the change was 
> likely gradual and thus invisible t

Re: Reading a PDF in Preview

[Lorie McCloud]

the other day I bought a pdf that turned out to be locked. what’s a good way to 
deal with that, or is there one?

there’s a site where you can send pdf’s to be converted. it’s: 
“www.online-convert.com "
Lorie McCloud
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> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> typically I find that i have to interact twice in the scroll area to get at 
> the text. Once there I can use the VO reading commands like VO + arrow keys, 
> or VO + function +  command down / up for sentence and VO + function + shift 
> + up/down arrow for paragraph.
> This pertains to files I open from the finder, and not from within the mail 
> program, but I don’t think that should matter much.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
>> 
>> I clicked on a PDF in OS 10.9. 5’s Mail. I keep getting to double quote. and 
>> can not get to the text. How does a person read text in preview?
>> 
>> Angus MacKinnon
>> 
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Re: Giving an app permission

[Lorie McCloud]

where or maybe I should say which system preferences? I looked in finder but 
that doesn’t seem to be the right place. that may be part of my Go To Webinar 
problem.
Lorie McCloud
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> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> You need to set your gatekeeper settings. they can be found in system 
> preferences, security and privacy and under the general tab. there should be 
> a checkbox to say allow apps from anywhere.
>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m using iText Express a lot lately, but I don’t remember how to tell my 
>> Mac this app is trusted.  Every time I go to open a document, I need to jump 
>> through a couple hoops to say it is ok.
>> 
>> Isn’t there a setting where I don’t need to do this anymore?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
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>> Lymphoma Society. The climb up 1311 steps is difficult but pales in 
>> comparison to what patients and their families feel during treatment. Every 
>> day, more than 347 LLS sponsored researchers come closer to the goal of 
>> finding a cure for leukemia and related blood cancers. Locally, LLS funds 8 
>> researchers at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center and University of 
>> Washington Medical Center. Your support and commitment to the mission of LLS 
>> enables this important work to continue. Please go to my page to learn more 
>> & donate. Thank you!
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Re: Giving an app permission

[Colin Matthews]

Hi!
If you do not wish to allow every app from anywhere to open!
Another option find that app in your app’s [on finder Command+shift+a]
Then use VO+shift+m and open the app from there and you should be given the 
option to always allow that one app!
HTH Colin

On 13 Feb 2015, at 02:24, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

> where or maybe I should say which system preferences? I looked in finder but 
> that doesn’t seem to be the right place. that may be part of my Go To Webinar 
> problem.
> Lorie McCloud
> lorice...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> 
>> You need to set your gatekeeper settings. they can be found in system 
>> preferences, security and privacy and under the general tab. there should be 
>> a checkbox to say allow apps from anywhere.
>>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’m using iText Express a lot lately, but I don’t remember how to tell my 
>>> Mac this app is trusted.  Every time I go to open a document, I need to 
>>> jump through a couple hoops to say it is ok.
>>> 
>>> Isn’t there a setting where I don’t need to do this anymore?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> Ready set CLIMB , CONQUER, CURE . Please help me fundraise for the Leukemia 
>>> Lymphoma Society. The climb up 1311 steps is difficult but pales in 
>>> comparison to what patients and their families feel during treatment. Every 
>>> day, more than 347 LLS sponsored researchers come closer to the goal of 
>>> finding a cure for leukemia and related blood cancers. Locally, LLS funds 8 
>>> researchers at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center and University of 
>>> Washington Medical Center. Your support and commitment to the mission of 
>>> LLS enables this important work to continue. Please go to my page to learn 
>>> more & donate. Thank you!
>>> http://www.llswa.org/site/TR/Events/BigClimb?px=1570735&pg=personal&fr_id=1460
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Re: WhisperSync for Voice.

[Myrna Votta]

Hi,

WhisperSync refers to the Audible version of the book.  So, if you purchase a 
Kindle eBook, and then you choose to purchase what they are calling 
“WhisperSync,”  you would be purchasing the Audible version of the book.  What 
you then have is an audio book, read by a human narrator, in the Audible 
format.  You can play the Audible version in the Audible app on an I Device, or 
if you have an audiobook player, such as the Victor Reader Stream, the book can 
be played on such a player.  If you have a Kindle, there is a built-in Audible 
app on it, as well.  

Myrna


> On Feb 11, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello All.
> 
> Those of you who are using Kindle's either as an App or those who have a 
> proper Kindle, can anyone tell me how to get Whispersync for Voice to work 
> please with Voice Over if anyone is using Kindle on the I phone please?
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: how to play midi files?

[Tyler Thompson]

You should be able to play a midi file using iTunes. It’ll just use the built 
in instruments on OS X so it’s not going to sound great. It seems like you’re 
somehow telling it to edit, I suggest pulling down the contextual menu (VO + 
Shift + M) and using open with > iTunes 
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Vivianna  wrote:
> 
> hi all.
> i am trying to play simple midi files on my mac air, running the latest 
> yosemite and, i have absolutely no idea how to do it?
> when i activate the button on the website to start the midi, it opens up 
> garageBand.  i don’t know where to go or what to do from there.  i do not see 
> the name of the file, any play or start or some such.
> is it necessary for me to learn garageBand to play these files or, is there 
> another way to play them?
> and, if i do need to use garageBand, is there any super simple, really really 
> easy beginner tutorial or podcast somewhere?
> thanks much.
> 
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Re: Reading a PDF in Preview

[Angus MacKinnon]

Phil

I have tried everything and get nowhere. In OS 10.9.5’s Mail; I get an email 
with a PDF attachment. I click on the attachment and the PDF is loaded into 
Preview. All I can Read is Toolbar, double quote and sometimes, page one of one 
zero.

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Re: How do I get a word count in Pages?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jamie,

When you find the Word Count, you’ll see that it’s a button and clicking it 
will give you other options such as Character count. You find the Word Count 
button to the right of the document layout area.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 12 Feb 2015, at 21:34, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Anne and all,
> 
> After closing Pages and relaunching, I am now able to see the word count 
> plain as day. Before, I was looking at a Word document that I had brought 
> into Pages, and I was seeing a lot of information that appeared very 
> graphical in nature. Something about rectangles and placeholders. Not sure 
> what was going on there, but after relaunching Pages, I can easily find the 
> word count in a practice document I created plus the original Word file I was 
> playing with. Just thought I’d better write back and let you know that I was 
> having better luck than when I last spoke. Thanks for the help.
> 
> Take care and have a great day.
> Jamie Pauls
> jamiepa...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Jamie,
>> 
>> To get the number of words, characters, paragraphs, etc in Pages, just go to 
>> the View menu and down to Show Word Count. It appears as a menu button and 
>> pressing VO-Space on it will give you the other options.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 16:56, Jamie Pauls >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, list members,
>>> 
>>> I need to get the word count on a document I am writing using the latest 
>>> version of Pages. An article I read said to use the inspector, but I’m 
>>> still not finding what I am looking for. Has anyone written a script for 
>>> this? It seems like it might be a good candidate, but I’m not the guy to do 
>>> it, I don’t think. Regardless of the method, an explanation of how to get a 
>>> word count in a document  would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help.
>>> 
>>> Take care and have a great day.
>>> Jamie Pauls
>>> jamiepa...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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email headers

[Lorie McCloud]

I’m having trouble reading message headers. somebody sends me an email and also 
sends it to another person so we can connect. I can read the sender’s name, my 
name and the other person’s name but not their email address. is there a way to 
do this?

Thanks.
Lorie
Lorie McCloud
lorice...@gmail.com



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