Viewing Smart folders criteria

[Phil Halton]

I’ve just started working with smart folders after listening to David 
Griffith’s podcast. I’ve been able to create a saved search as a smart folder 
but I have a question.

How can you inspect the criteria used in the smart folder? That is, How can you 
go back and look at the rules you used to create the original search?
It’s great to have a smart folder, but if you don’t know what rules that smart 
folder uses to gather together its files, rules you’ve long forgotten, well… 
wouldn’t that bug you too?
I’m sure I’m missing it sitting right before my eyes, but please chime in if 
you know the answer.

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How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Brian Fischler]

So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you have 
to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I do that and 
nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still running mavericks. So 
I go to delete the program from my applications folder to reinstall it and I am 
told the program cannot be deleted as it is running. I have open the 
application chooser and the program does not show there, I have opened the 
force quit menu and it does not appear there, the program does not appear in 
the menu extras. So how in the world do I find this program that is running? 
Over all my first experiences with this program have been awful, and I would 
not tell anyone with VO to buy it.

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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[jeffrey greene]

Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs that 
can’t be found in its expose windows list.
Hope this helps!

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you have 
> to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I do that 
> and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still running 
> mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications folder to 
> reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it is running. I 
> have open the application chooser and the program does not show there, I have 
> opened the force quit menu and it does not appear there, the program does not 
> appear in the menu extras. So how in the world do I find this program that is 
> running? Over all my first experiences with this program have been awful, and 
> I would not tell anyone with VO to buy it.
> 
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GarageBand

[ernest mccullough]

Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

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Re: Filling out pdf forms

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I haven't followed this thread too closely because of the holidays etc. 
However, did you get PDF Pen pro or some other program? Nic and I had some 
correspondence about this when I can use it just fine, and he couldn't. He and 
I both got things resolved, so I was wondering if we could figure out what the 
problem is. I filled out the form 1040 last year with this program, and 
recently filled out a recertification for para transit with it also. Of course, 
I was using voice over all the time.The only trouble I had was with the check 
boxes, and they are still working on that.
Gigi

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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:48 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Having fixed your form with somebody else's help, could you now do it 
> yourself?  Or does it always require sighted help?  I'm afraid I've bought 
> pdf pro but have not been able to use it.  So as you said, it's just sitting 
> there, an expensive thing.  
> 
> Best wishes for Christmas
> 
> Simon
>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 01:52, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Andrew,
>> 
>> Yes, I know exactly what you mean.  I sat with one of our Adobe Master 
>> teachers fixing up a form and it took a bit of work to actually make it 
>> properly readable for me.  It took about 15 minutes to get all the fields 
>> fixed up, but, it sure was worth it to me.  I did have the advantage of 
>> having someone close by to fix things up where you probably did not.  PDF 
>> Pen Pro is rather expensive to just have it sit there in your apps folder.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 14:35, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Tim,
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for your valuable input.  I rather feared it was the case.  
>>> I'm not sure I was wise to have spent the money on pdf pro as very few 
>>> people will have made sure they had constructed a proper pdf form.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On 21 Dec 2014, at 16:38, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 If a pdf is formatted properly, then you interact with the pdf content 
 area once and you’ll be set in the level where you can quickly navigate 
 the various pages if it is a multi-page document.  Interact one more time 
 on the specific page and, if a field is an Edit field, VO will announce it 
 as such and you’ll be able to the data.  The difficulty arises with 
 improperly created editable forms.  The Edit fields need to be properly 
 tagged and inserted as an Edit Field.  If the creator of the form just 
 left blank space and expected the user to enter info there, then it will 
 not be usable from within VO.  So, if no Edit filed is announced, you’re 
 kind of out of luck.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Dec 20, 2014, at 12:31, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> I've purchased pdf pro but i have no idea how to use it with Voiceover.  
> If anyone could give me some clues, I'd be grateful.  I had to fill in a 
> pdf form a few weeks ago but all I could find on the page was groups and 
> in each a page but was not able to navigate any boxes in which to input 
> data.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 19 Dec 2014, at 22:05, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> PDF Pen Pro
>>> On 19 Dec 2014, at 21:58, Chris G  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> What pdf form filler is accessible with VoiceOver on the mac.
>>> 
>>> I have some pdf forms I need to fill out.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Chris
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[David Griffith]

If you want to get rid of it then you could try going to system preferences 
then users and groups and then  login itemsto see if it is checked there to 
be loaded at login. If it is then uncheck this item and restart your Mac. Now 
try deleting it.

David Griffith  
> On 23 Dec 2014, at 15:59, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you have 
> to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I do that 
> and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still running 
> mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications folder to 
> reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it is running. I 
> have open the application chooser and the program does not show there, I have 
> opened the force quit menu and it does not appear there, the program does not 
> appear in the menu extras. So how in the world do I find this program that is 
> running? Over all my first experiences with this program have been awful, and 
> I would not tell anyone with VO to buy it.
> 
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Re: Viewing Smart folders criteria

[David Griffith]

1. Locate your Smart Folder.
2. Bring up the information properties of the folder with command I.
3. Navigate down until you hear the query which underlies the criteria for the  
  folder.

So in  the folder I did for the Podcast the Mac describes it as 
((kMDItemDisplayName = "blindness*")) Query: 

David Griffith

David Griffith
> On 23 Dec 2014, at 15:38, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I’ve just started working with smart folders after listening to David 
> Griffith’s podcast. I’ve been able to create a saved search as a smart folder 
> but I have a question.
> 
> How can you inspect the criteria used in the smart folder? That is, How can 
> you go back and look at the rules you used to create the original search?
> It’s great to have a smart folder, but if you don’t know what rules that 
> smart folder uses to gather together its files, rules you’ve long forgotten, 
> well… wouldn’t that bug you too?
> I’m sure I’m missing it sitting right before my eyes, but please chime in if 
> you know the answer.
> 
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Get of from the beta testing program.

[Gabriele Battaglia]

Hi all.
Does anybody remind me how to unsubscribe from the beta testing program for 
Yosemite?
Thanks.

Gabriel.
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Sent from my iMac27. (Libero)

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Re: Choppy Apple TV

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Do i have to connect it through a dac then?
/A
> 23 dec 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
> 
> Actually, yes, the Apple TV box does have an optical output. However, let me 
> point out, that the optical output on the Apple TV is strictly for nothing 
> but digital audio. No video whatsoever passes through the optical port. If 
> you want to do the audio and the video through a single cable, you have to 
> use HDMI.
> Your progress
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone,
> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:48 PM, jeffrey greene  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi, The apple tv itself has an optical output, but i think you need to 
>> purchase the cable for it directly from apple. On the other hand, I have an 
>> apple tv approximately one year old and its choppy both with VO and movies 
>> through my tv’s speakers. It just started after the last apple tv software 
>> update. I’m hoping there will be a new update to correct this.
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I have an older Apple TV, the first model that had voiceover. I 
>>> have it connected to a TV through HDMI.
>>> It works fine through the internal lousy TV speakers. When I connect my 
>>> sound bar to the TV using the TV optical  output from the TV to my sound 
>>> bar, voiceover becomes very choppy and inconsistent, to the point to that 
>>> sometimes I hear no voice over output at all for the currently focused menu 
>>> item. I had this same problem with a different set up with the same Apple 
>>> TV, and thought it was a problem with either the cable or the AV receiver I 
>>> was using. Has anyone experienced this? I am now believing there is a 
>>> problem with my AppleTV, and I should just  go buy another one. But I would 
>>> sure hate to get stuck with $100 loser. Still, it is hard for me to believe 
>>> that this problem with optical outs from a TV to a sound bar or anything to 
>>> do with optical out on the AppleTV would cause a problem. Surely, you can't 
>>> just use it with the HDMI and your TV speakers only?
>>> Mary
>>> 
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Re: Choppy Apple TV

[Mary Otten]

I would love to be able to do the audio and video through a single cable and 
still be able to use good speakers. How can one do that? In both of my 
scenarios, I have had to use the digital optical cable, in order to avoid using 
the horrible TV speakers. How can that be done with just the HDMI?
Mary


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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Do i have to connect it through a dac then?
> /A
>> 23 dec 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
>> 
>> Actually, yes, the Apple TV box does have an optical output. However, let me 
>> point out, that the optical output on the Apple TV is strictly for nothing 
>> but digital audio. No video whatsoever passes through the optical port. If 
>> you want to do the audio and the video through a single cable, you have to 
>> use HDMI.
>> Your progress
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone,
>> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:48 PM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, The apple tv itself has an optical output, but i think you need to 
>>> purchase the cable for it directly from apple. On the other hand, I have an 
>>> apple tv approximately one year old and its choppy both with VO and movies 
>>> through my tv’s speakers. It just started after the last apple tv software 
>>> update. I’m hoping there will be a new update to correct this.
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Hi all, I have an older Apple TV, the first model that had voiceover. I 
 have it connected to a TV through HDMI.
 It works fine through the internal lousy TV speakers. When I connect my 
 sound bar to the TV using the TV optical  output from the TV to my sound 
 bar, voiceover becomes very choppy and inconsistent, to the point to that 
 sometimes I hear no voice over output at all for the currently focused 
 menu item. I had this same problem with a different set up with the same 
 Apple TV, and thought it was a problem with either the cable or the AV 
 receiver I was using. Has anyone experienced this? I am now believing 
 there is a problem with my AppleTV, and I should just  go buy another one. 
 But I would sure hate to get stuck with $100 loser. Still, it is hard for 
 me to believe that this problem with optical outs from a TV to a sound bar 
 or anything to do with optical out on the AppleTV would cause a problem. 
 Surely, you can't just use it with the HDMI and your TV speakers only?
 Mary
 
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Re: Choppy Apple TV

[Ray Foret Jr]

You don't have to do anything but just connect the HDMI cable. When you do 
that, the HDMI carries both the audio and the video through the same cable.

Sincerely,
The Constantly barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my iPhone,
the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I would love to be able to do the audio and video through a single cable and 
> still be able to use good speakers. How can one do that? In both of my 
> scenarios, I have had to use the digital optical cable, in order to avoid 
> using the horrible TV speakers. How can that be done with just the HDMI?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Do i have to connect it through a dac then?
>> /A
>>> 23 dec 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
>>> 
>>> Actually, yes, the Apple TV box does have an optical output. However, let 
>>> me point out, that the optical output on the Apple TV is strictly for 
>>> nothing but digital audio. No video whatsoever passes through the optical 
>>> port. If you want to do the audio and the video through a single cable, you 
>>> have to use HDMI.
>>> Your progress
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone,
>>> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:48 PM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
 
 Hi, The apple tv itself has an optical output, but i think you need to 
 purchase the cable for it directly from apple. On the other hand, I have 
 an apple tv approximately one year old and its choppy both with VO and 
 movies through my tv’s speakers. It just started after the last apple tv 
 software update. I’m hoping there will be a new update to correct this.
 Jeff
 
> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I have an older Apple TV, the first model that had voiceover. I 
> have it connected to a TV through HDMI.
> It works fine through the internal lousy TV speakers. When I connect my 
> sound bar to the TV using the TV optical  output from the TV to my sound 
> bar, voiceover becomes very choppy and inconsistent, to the point to that 
> sometimes I hear no voice over output at all for the currently focused 
> menu item. I had this same problem with a different set up with the same 
> Apple TV, and thought it was a problem with either the cable or the AV 
> receiver I was using. Has anyone experienced this? I am now believing 
> there is a problem with my AppleTV, and I should just  go buy another 
> one. But I would sure hate to get stuck with $100 loser. Still, it is 
> hard for me to believe that this problem with optical outs from a TV to a 
> sound bar or anything to do with optical out on the AppleTV would cause a 
> problem. Surely, you can't just use it with the HDMI and your TV speakers 
> only?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Brian Fischler]

Hi Jeff,

Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and do 
anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program is 
doing What a horribly designed utility.
On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:

> Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs that 
> can’t be found in its expose windows list.
> Hope this helps!
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
>> have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I do 
>> that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still running 
>> mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications folder to 
>> reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it is running. I 
>> have open the application chooser and the program does not show there, I 
>> have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear there, the program 
>> does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the world do I find this 
>> program that is running? Over all my first experiences with this program 
>> have been awful, and I would not tell anyone with VO to buy it.
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[The Believer]

   Is it in menu extras?

From The Believer. . .
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On 12/23/2014 11:11 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and do 
anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program is 
doing What a horribly designed utility.
On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:


Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs that 
can’t be found in its expose windows list.
Hope this helps!


On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you have 
to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I do that and 
nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still running mavericks. So 
I go to delete the program from my applications folder to reinstall it and I am 
told the program cannot be deleted as it is running. I have open the 
application chooser and the program does not show there, I have opened the 
force quit menu and it does not appear there, the program does not appear in 
the menu extras. So how in the world do I find this program that is running? 
Over all my first experiences with this program have been awful, and I would 
not tell anyone with VO to buy it.

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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Brian Fischler]

No it is not in menu extras anywhere
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:14 PM, The Believer  wrote:

>   Is it in menu extras?
> 
> From The Believer. . .
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> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/23/2014 11:11 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
>> hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
>> windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and 
>> do anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program 
>> is doing What a horribly designed utility.
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs 
>>> that can’t be found in its expose windows list.
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
 have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I 
 do that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still 
 running mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications 
 folder to reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it 
 is running. I have open the application chooser and the program does not 
 show there, I have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear 
 there, the program does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the world 
 do I find this program that is running? Over all my first experiences with 
 this program have been awful, and I would not tell anyone with VO to buy 
 it.
 
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[The Believer]

   Then its time to contact its developer, eh?

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On 12/23/2014 11:19 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

No it is not in menu extras anywhere
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:14 PM, The Believer  wrote:


   Is it in menu extras?

 From The Believer. . .
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On 12/23/2014 11:11 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and do 
anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program is 
doing What a horribly designed utility.
On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:


Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs that 
can’t be found in its expose windows list.
Hope this helps!


On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you have 
to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I do that and 
nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still running mavericks. So 
I go to delete the program from my applications folder to reinstall it and I am 
told the program cannot be deleted as it is running. I have open the 
application chooser and the program does not show there, I have opened the 
force quit menu and it does not appear there, the program does not appear in 
the menu extras. So how in the world do I find this program that is running? 
Over all my first experiences with this program have been awful, and I would 
not tell anyone with VO to buy it.

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Re: Viewing Smart folders criteria

[Phil Halton]

Thanks David, it’s a little cryptic, but I guess it’ll do.
Too bad you couldn’t bring up the original window with the search criteria. 
It’s a lot easier to read and make sense of the rules there.

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:56 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> 1. Locate your Smart Folder.
> 2. Bring up the information properties of the folder with command I.
> 3. Navigate down until you hear the query which underlies the criteria for 
> thefolder.
> 
> So in  the folder I did for the Podcast the Mac describes it as 
> ((kMDItemDisplayName = "blindness*")) Query: 
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> David Griffith
>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 15:38, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve just started working with smart folders after listening to David 
>> Griffith’s podcast. I’ve been able to create a saved search as a smart 
>> folder but I have a question.
>> 
>> How can you inspect the criteria used in the smart folder? That is, How can 
>> you go back and look at the rules you used to create the original search?
>> It’s great to have a smart folder, but if you don’t know what rules that 
>> smart folder uses to gather together its files, rules you’ve long forgotten, 
>> well… wouldn’t that bug you too?
>> I’m sure I’m missing it sitting right before my eyes, but please chime in if 
>> you know the answer.
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Re: GarageBand

[Phil Halton]

Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what to tell 
you.
Maybe you might consider upgrading?

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough  
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> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Brian Fischler]

A restart of the computer at least shut the program down and I have deleted it 
but would love to use it as someone on the list claimed it was accessible but 
being that I can’t find it anywhere and it was definitely opened figured best 
to delete for now. If anyone has had any luck with audio switcher do let me 
know. Thanks,
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:14 PM, The Believer  wrote:

>   Is it in menu extras?
> 
> From The Believer. . .
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> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/23/2014 11:11 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
>> hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
>> windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and 
>> do anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program 
>> is doing What a horribly designed utility.
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs 
>>> that can’t be found in its expose windows list.
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
 have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I 
 do that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still 
 running mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications 
 folder to reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it 
 is running. I have open the application chooser and the program does not 
 show there, I have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear 
 there, the program does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the world 
 do I find this program that is running? Over all my first experiences with 
 this program have been awful, and I would not tell anyone with VO to buy 
 it.
 
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[John Panarese]

   If you want to quit it, try Activity Monitor and quit the process from 
there.  What application is it by chance?


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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
> hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
> windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and 
> do anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program is 
> doing What a horribly designed utility.
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
> 
>> Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs 
>> that can’t be found in its expose windows list.
>> Hope this helps!
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
>>> have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I do 
>>> that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still running 
>>> mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications folder to 
>>> reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it is running. 
>>> I have open the application chooser and the program does not show there, I 
>>> have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear there, the program 
>>> does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the world do I find this 
>>> program that is running? Over all my first experiences with this program 
>>> have been awful, and I would not tell anyone with VO to buy it.
>>> 
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Re: GarageBand

[ernest mccullough]

I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.

On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what to tell
> you.
> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
>
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
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>> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks.
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Re: GarageBand

[Faisal ali]

Hi,
I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X versions 
behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter compatibility 
issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out on VO enhancements in 
later versions of OS X.
I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues are 
reduced.
HTH
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough  
> wrote:
> 
> I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
> operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
> 
> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what to tell
>> you.
>> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks.
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strange issue in Safari and bookmarks

[Faisal ali]

Hi all,
I’m not sure if this has already been brought up but I think I found what 
appears to be a bug in Safari. After doing a CMD Option b to bring up the 
bookmarks folder for editing, everything works fine. But when doing the same 
command of CMD option b to dismiss the editor, safari becomes unresponsive. All 
I see is a scrolle  window with an empty HTML document. The only way to restore 
Safari is by restarting it. Is anyone able to reproduce  this?
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Re: GarageBand

[ernest mccullough]

I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
heavy into word processing.

On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
> Hi,
> I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X versions
> behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
> compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out on
> VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
> I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues are
> reduced.
> HTH
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
>> operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
>>
>> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what to
>>> tell
>>> you.
>>> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
>>>
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
  wrote:

 Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
 Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: GarageBand

[Faisal ali]

Hi,
Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine under 
Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and rely on it for 
school.
Thanks
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough  
> wrote:
> 
> I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
> heavy into word processing.
> 
> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X versions
>> behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
>> compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out on
>> VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
>> I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues are
>> reduced.
>> HTH
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
>>> operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
 Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what to
 tell
 you.
 Maybe you might consider upgrading?
 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
>  wrote:
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> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.
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Re: GarageBand

[John Panarese]

   Broken in Pages?  Actually, as of Mavericks and Yosemite, VoiceOver 
accessibility is really good in Pages and Numbers.  I'm not sure where you 
heard the opposite from.


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> heavy into word processing.
> 
> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X versions
>> behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
>> compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out on
>> VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
>> I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues are
>> reduced.
>> HTH
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
>>> operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
 Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what to
 tell
 you.
 Maybe you might consider upgrading?
 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
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> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.
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Re: I'm stuck.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

VO-space on your name then enter your password and you'll be taken to your 
Desktop.

Later...

> On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> Today when I woke up my Mac mini it didn't say anything. when I turned vo on 
> it said I was in the users scroll area. the other stuff around that is the 
> clock, sleep, shutdown and restart. when I interact with this scroll area 
> there's my name and guest user. both groups are empty. How do I get out of 
> this? I can't go to my home screen or desktop. it said something about a 
> login screen but I don't see any edit boxes. thanks.
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Re: GarageBand

[ernest mccullough]

O! Well, I guess I'll upgrade. Thanks guys.

On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
> Hi,
> Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine
> under Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and rely
> on it for school.
> Thanks
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
>> heavy into word processing.
>>
>> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X
>>> versions
>>> behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
>>> compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out
>>> on
>>> VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
>>> I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues
>>> are
>>> reduced.
>>> HTH
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
  wrote:

 I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
 operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.

 On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what
> to
> tell
> you.
> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
>
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
>>  wrote:
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>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks.
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Re: working with iBooks On Mac

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Hi,

Try using the arrow keys to move to the next page, then VO-a to read it.  
Haven't played with iBooks on the Mac as much as on my iPhone so I'm not as 
familiar with the tricks, but, the arrow keys will move you between pages.

Later...

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> 
> All,
> 
> 
> I have major issues with using Ibooks. I was reading a book an couldn’t get 
> past the first page. Even if I tried to navigate via the table of contents, 
> it kept kicking me back to the first page.
> 
> Any tips to resolve this?
> 
> Sean 
> On 21 Dec 2014, at 2:10 pm, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> 
>> Hello:
>> I cannot figure how to create bookmarks in a book, and how to navigate to 
>> the bookmarks. I also cannot figure out how to create and navigate to notes. 
>> Also, is it just me, or does the navigate via page, and chapter shortcut key 
>> commands do not work?
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Re: working with iBooks On Mac

[David Griffith]

In relation to the reported table of contents issue I have not seen 
this, certainly not in any iBook.  However I can confirm difficulty with 
the alternative method of chapter navigation by keyboard. short cut.  In 
your case I wonder if the book you are trying to read with its 
associated table of contents is a properly formatted iBooks or epub 
book. On other platforms I have found some books created in ePub format 
by conversion programs sometimes have problems with table of contents 
structures.


 David Griffith
On 23/12/2014 20:41, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Try using the arrow keys to move to the next page, then VO-a to read it.  
Haven't played with iBooks on the Mac as much as on my iPhone so I'm not as 
familiar with the tricks, but, the arrow keys will move you between pages.

Later...


On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:22 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:

All,


I have major issues with using Ibooks. I was reading a book an couldn’t get 
past the first page. Even if I tried to navigate via the table of contents, it 
kept kicking me back to the first page.

Any tips to resolve this?

Sean
On 21 Dec 2014, at 2:10 pm, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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Hello:
I cannot figure how to create bookmarks in a book, and how to navigate to the 
bookmarks. I also cannot figure out how to create and navigate to notes. Also, 
is it just me, or does the navigate via page, and chapter shortcut key commands 
do not work?

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Re: GarageBand

[Grant Hardy]

Hi Ernest, you could always install Yosemite on a separate partition first to 
try it out, or even on removable media (keeping in mind that things will feel 
much slower on a removable drive).

I don’t have any experience with anything earlier than OS X Mavericks, but I 
will say that Yosemite was an excellent upgrade for me in terms of 
accessibility. Specifically, the improvements to web browsing with VO have 
really made a difference. My understand is that accessibility with iWork is 
much improved now from earlier versions. Unfortunately I can’t comment on the 
iLife apps like Garage Band, and therefore don’t really have an answer to your 
original question.

There certainly are bugs with Yosemite, and I can’t comment on how it might run 
on older machines, but in general I think there’s much more to love than there 
are problems. Some of the bugs are summarized on applevis.com if you wish to 
make sure there’s nothing that will disrupt your workflow. There shouldn’t be 
too much risk in backing up with Time Machine and then grabbing the free 
upgrade to see how it runs. If you really need to, you can always go back.

Cheers,

Grant

On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, ernest mccullough  
wrote:

O! Well, I guess I'll upgrade. Thanks guys.

On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
> Hi,
> Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine
> under Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and rely
> on it for school.
> Thanks
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
>> heavy into word processing.
>> 
>> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X
>>> versions
>>> behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
>>> compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out
>>> on
>>> VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
>>> I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues
>>> are
>>> reduced.
>>> HTH
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
  wrote:
 
 I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
 operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
 
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> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what
> to
> tell
> you.
> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks.
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Re: strange issue in Safari and bookmarks

[Lorie McCloud]

I’m having trouble getting to my bookmarks at all. even command-option-b won’t 
bring them up. if I go into the context menu and vo-right-arrow or left arrow 
it either doesn’t respond at all or I get a bonk. I wonder if that’s related. 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I’m not sure if this has already been brought up but I think I found what 
> appears to be a bug in Safari. After doing a CMD Option b to bring up the 
> bookmarks folder for editing, everything works fine. But when doing the same 
> command of CMD option b to dismiss the editor, safari becomes unresponsive. 
> All I see is a scrolle  window with an empty HTML document. The only way to 
> restore Safari is by restarting it. Is anyone able to reproduce  this?
> Thanks
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Re: MS Office Accessibility

[Grant Hardy]

Hi Brandon,

I don’t even believe there is a version of Microsoft Access available for Mac 
OS X (accessible or otherwise). Therefore, there seems to be a misunderstanding 
on their part about which version of Office is right for her.

Best,

Grant

On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
wrote:

Not to respond for her, but they are actually trying to get her Office for the 
Mac, which is why we’re asking if it’s accessible.

> On Dec 19, 2014, at 11:06 PM, Grant Hardy  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Christine,
> 
> It sounds like your workplace uses Windows. You will probably receive copies 
> of Microsoft Office for Windows and a Windows-based screen reader, such as 
> JAWS for Windows or Window-Eyes. If you intend to run these on your personal 
> Mac, you'll have to install Windows on your Mac (e.g. via Boot Camp).
> 
> Best,
> 
> Grant
> 
> Sent from mobile
> 
> On Dec 19, 2014, at 7:25 PM, Christine Olivares  > wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I am the one brandon wrote about. I was supposed to have used Access at my 
> place of work for their database…the commission for the Blind wouldn’t have 
> gotten me Office if I didn’t need access. I have a lot of convincing to do to 
> tell them to not order it.
> 
> Thanks so much,
> Christine
>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:46 PM, erik burggraaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> It's a bone to throw at institutions who will insist that microsoft office 
>> is the only viable option.  Colleges, universities, corporate and 
>> government.  It's a big deel if your professor expects you to use excel or 
>> word and provides intructions very tailored to that product and or will only 
>> use those formats.  It's also a big deal in corporate settings based on 
>> sharepoint.
>> 
>> Although I myself find iwork perfectly acceptable and I am not involved in 
>> one of the main usecases for office on the mac, I find iwork's file formats 
>> unacceptable because they can not be opened by ms office users, and they are 
>> just plain damn enormous.  So, the fact that iwork essentially forces you to 
>> use it's formats by adding 3 extra steps to convert and refuses to 
>> automatically save a document in the format it was created in really annoys 
>> me a whole lot.
>> 
>> Other than that, it's fine but you'll never convince some people for whom 
>> the tool is actually more important than the task.
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Faisal ali > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree, iWork is perfectly acceptable as a office suite.
 On Dec 19, 2014, at 6:05 PM, The Believer >>> > wrote:
 
  I have been kind of following this thread out of interest.
 
  Where do the Apple apps, Pages, Numbers, and Keynote, fall short in 
 accessibility? Is there any compelling reason to pass these up in favor of 
 a third party suite that is yet to be accessible?
 
  Because I am using DBT under Windows, I use MS Word to create my 
 documents. DBT has not yet released a Mac version but even if they did, 
 its anybody's guess that the Mac version will use Word or some other word 
 processor to import from.
 
  But at any rate, I am curious about the Microsoft versus Apple deal.
 
 From The Believer. . .
 . . . what if it were true?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 On 12/19/2014 5:56 PM, Grant Hardy wrote:
> Hello Sean, yes, I am also referring to the most recent, standalone 
> version of Microsoft Word for iOS. VoiceOver does not work with tables in 
> Word documents. I know many people have said that the new Office apps for 
> iOS are accessible, and in some ways they are, but Word in particular is 
> pretty bare bones in terms of what is accessible and what isn't yet 
> doable.
> 
> Grant
> 
> Sent from mobile
> 
> On Dec 19, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Sean Murphy  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Office Mobile as you are calling it does not detect tables. Office Word 
> on the iOS is what I am referring too.
> 
> Sean
>> On 20 Dec 2014, at 11:40 am, erik burggraaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, can you not create tables in excel mobile, then copy and paste them 
>> into word mobile, and/or insert a spreadsheet as a table?  I'll be 
>> looking into office mobile soon for my girlfriend and wyould be 
>> interested to know if this is feasible.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Grant Hardy >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Faisal,
>>> 
>>> I haven't heard anything official, either. But there are good signs. 
>>> This fall, Microsoft released a brand new version of Microsoft Ou

Re: Choppy Apple TV

[Robert Cole]

Have you tried using your TV headphone jack?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I would love to be able to do the audio and video through a single cable and 
> still be able to use good speakers. How can one do that? In both of my 
> scenarios, I have had to use the digital optical cable, in order to avoid 
> using the horrible TV speakers. How can that be done with just the HDMI?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Do i have to connect it through a dac then?
>> /A
>>> 23 dec 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
>>> 
>>> Actually, yes, the Apple TV box does have an optical output. However, let 
>>> me point out, that the optical output on the Apple TV is strictly for 
>>> nothing but digital audio. No video whatsoever passes through the optical 
>>> port. If you want to do the audio and the video through a single cable, you 
>>> have to use HDMI.
>>> Your progress
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone,
>>> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:48 PM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
 
 Hi, The apple tv itself has an optical output, but i think you need to 
 purchase the cable for it directly from apple. On the other hand, I have 
 an apple tv approximately one year old and its choppy both with VO and 
 movies through my tv’s speakers. It just started after the last apple tv 
 software update. I’m hoping there will be a new update to correct this.
 Jeff
 
> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I have an older Apple TV, the first model that had voiceover. I 
> have it connected to a TV through HDMI.
> It works fine through the internal lousy TV speakers. When I connect my 
> sound bar to the TV using the TV optical  output from the TV to my sound 
> bar, voiceover becomes very choppy and inconsistent, to the point to that 
> sometimes I hear no voice over output at all for the currently focused 
> menu item. I had this same problem with a different set up with the same 
> Apple TV, and thought it was a problem with either the cable or the AV 
> receiver I was using. Has anyone experienced this? I am now believing 
> there is a problem with my AppleTV, and I should just  go buy another 
> one. But I would sure hate to get stuck with $100 loser. Still, it is 
> hard for me to believe that this problem with optical outs from a TV to a 
> sound bar or anything to do with optical out on the AppleTV would cause a 
> problem. Surely, you can't just use it with the HDMI and your TV speakers 
> only?
> Mary
> 
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Cheryl Homiak]

It isn't necessarily an awful program! It just may not be voiceover compatible.

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On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and do 
anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program is 
doing What a horribly designed utility.
On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:

> Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs that 
> can’t be found in its expose windows list.
> Hope this helps!
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
>> have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I do 
>> that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still running 
>> mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications folder to 
>> reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it is running. I 
>> have open the application chooser and the program does not show there, I 
>> have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear there, the program 
>> does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the world do I find this 
>> program that is running? Over all my first experiences with this program 
>> have been awful, and I would not tell anyone with VO to buy it.
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Cheryl Homiak]

If it shows up in the dock, do fo-shift-m there and find options and make sure 
start at login is unchecked. Then reboot your computer.

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On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and do 
anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program is 
doing What a horribly designed utility.
On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:

> Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs that 
> can’t be found in its expose windows list.
> Hope this helps!
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
>> have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I do 
>> that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still running 
>> mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications folder to 
>> reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it is running. I 
>> have open the application chooser and the program does not show there, I 
>> have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear there, the program 
>> does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the world do I find this 
>> program that is running? Over all my first experiences with this program 
>> have been awful, and I would not tell anyone with VO to buy it.
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Cheryl Homiak]

Did you get it from the Mac app store? Sorry if you already explained this. I 
was thinking of getting it and see if I could figure it out at all.

 
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On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

A restart of the computer at least shut the program down and I have deleted it 
but would love to use it as someone on the list claimed it was accessible but 
being that I can’t find it anywhere and it was definitely opened figured best 
to delete for now. If anyone has had any luck with audio switcher do let me 
know. Thanks,
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:14 PM, The Believer  wrote:

>  Is it in menu extras?
> 
> From The Believer. . .
> . . . what if it were true?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/23/2014 11:11 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
>> hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
>> windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and 
>> do anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program 
>> is doing What a horribly designed utility.
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs 
>>> that can’t be found in its expose windows list.
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
 have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I 
 do that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still 
 running mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications 
 folder to reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it 
 is running. I have open the application chooser and the program does not 
 show there, I have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear 
 there, the program does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the world 
 do I find this program that is running? Over all my first experiences with 
 this program have been awful, and I would not tell anyone with VO to buy 
 it.
 
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Re: Choppy Apple TV

[Mary Otten]

no, I don't even know if this TV has a headphone jack. And my experience with 
headphone jacks is that the audio out leaves a lot to be desired. I am using 
the analog out from the TV and the voiceover problem is solved.
Mary


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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
> 
> Have you tried using your TV headphone jack?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I would love to be able to do the audio and video through a single cable and 
>> still be able to use good speakers. How can one do that? In both of my 
>> scenarios, I have had to use the digital optical cable, in order to avoid 
>> using the horrible TV speakers. How can that be done with just the HDMI?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Do i have to connect it through a dac then?
>>> /A
 23 dec 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
 
 Actually, yes, the Apple TV box does have an optical output. However, let 
 me point out, that the optical output on the Apple TV is strictly for 
 nothing but digital audio. No video whatsoever passes through the optical 
 port. If you want to do the audio and the video through a single cable, 
 you have to use HDMI.
 Your progress
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
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> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:48 PM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi, The apple tv itself has an optical output, but i think you need to 
> purchase the cable for it directly from apple. On the other hand, I have 
> an apple tv approximately one year old and its choppy both with VO and 
> movies through my tv’s speakers. It just started after the last apple tv 
> software update. I’m hoping there will be a new update to correct this.
> Jeff
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I have an older Apple TV, the first model that had voiceover. I 
>> have it connected to a TV through HDMI.
>> It works fine through the internal lousy TV speakers. When I connect my 
>> sound bar to the TV using the TV optical  output from the TV to my sound 
>> bar, voiceover becomes very choppy and inconsistent, to the point to 
>> that sometimes I hear no voice over output at all for the currently 
>> focused menu item. I had this same problem with a different set up with 
>> the same Apple TV, and thought it was a problem with either the cable or 
>> the AV receiver I was using. Has anyone experienced this? I am now 
>> believing there is a problem with my AppleTV, and I should just  go buy 
>> another one. But I would sure hate to get stuck with $100 loser. Still, 
>> it is hard for me to believe that this problem with optical outs from a 
>> TV to a sound bar or anything to do with optical out on the AppleTV 
>> would cause a problem. Surely, you can't just use it with the HDMI and 
>> your TV speakers only?
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Choppy Apple TV

[Scott Berry]

I am using a Philips sound bar myself.  I don’t really watch TV but enjoy many 
devices through my Sound bar.  I am currently using the Fiber Optic cables that 
the Apple Tv allows for.  I have used HDMI successfully as well though with my 
LG Electronics sound bar that I had which broke.


> On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
> 
> Have you tried using your TV headphone jack?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
>> I would love to be able to do the audio and video through a single cable and 
>> still be able to use good speakers. How can one do that? In both of my 
>> scenarios, I have had to use the digital optical cable, in order to avoid 
>> using the horrible TV speakers. How can that be done with just the HDMI?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Do i have to connect it through a dac then?
>>> /A
 23 dec 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Ray Foret Jr >>> >:
 
 Actually, yes, the Apple TV box does have an optical output. However, let 
 me point out, that the optical output on the Apple TV is strictly for 
 nothing but digital audio. No video whatsoever passes through the optical 
 port. If you want to do the audio and the video through a single cable, 
 you have to use HDMI.
 Your progress
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my iPhone,
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 On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:48 PM, jeffrey greene >>> > wrote:
 
> Hi, The apple tv itself has an optical output, but i think you need to 
> purchase the cable for it directly from apple. On the other hand, I have 
> an apple tv approximately one year old and its choppy both with VO and 
> movies through my tv’s speakers. It just started after the last apple tv 
> software update. I’m hoping there will be a new update to correct this.
> Jeff
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I have an older Apple TV, the first model that had voiceover. I 
>> have it connected to a TV through HDMI.
>> It works fine through the internal lousy TV speakers. When I connect my 
>> sound bar to the TV using the TV optical  output from the TV to my sound 
>> bar, voiceover becomes very choppy and inconsistent, to the point to 
>> that sometimes I hear no voice over output at all for the currently 
>> focused menu item. I had this same problem with a different set up with 
>> the same Apple TV, and thought it was a problem with either the cable or 
>> the AV receiver I was using. Has anyone experienced this? I am now 
>> believing there is a problem with my AppleTV, and I should just  go buy 
>> another one. But I would sure hate to get stuck with $100 loser. Still, 
>> it is hard for me to believe that this problem with optical outs from a 
>> TV to a sound bar or anything to do with optical out on the AppleTV 
>> would cause a problem. Surely, you can't just use it with the HDMI and 
>> your TV speakers only?
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Choppy Apple TV

[Mary Otten]

Which AppleTV do you have, Scott? The second or third generation one? Someone 
suggested that the latency problem is less or nonexistent with the more recent 
model. Someone else said they still had choppiness. So I decided to go for the 
analog out on my TV to the analog in on my sound bar.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> I am using a Philips sound bar myself.  I don’t really watch TV but enjoy 
> many devices through my Sound bar.  I am currently using the Fiber Optic 
> cables that the Apple Tv allows for.  I have used HDMI successfully as well 
> though with my LG Electronics sound bar that I had which broke.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you tried using your TV headphone jack?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would love to be able to do the audio and video through a single cable 
>>> and still be able to use good speakers. How can one do that? In both of my 
>>> scenarios, I have had to use the digital optical cable, in order to avoid 
>>> using the horrible TV speakers. How can that be done with just the HDMI?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Do i have to connect it through a dac then?
 /A
> 23 dec 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
> 
> Actually, yes, the Apple TV box does have an optical output. However, let 
> me point out, that the optical output on the Apple TV is strictly for 
> nothing but digital audio. No video whatsoever passes through the optical 
> port. If you want to do the audio and the video through a single cable, 
> you have to use HDMI.
> Your progress
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone,
> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:48 PM, jeffrey greene  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, The apple tv itself has an optical output, but i think you need to 
>> purchase the cable for it directly from apple. On the other hand, I have 
>> an apple tv approximately one year old and its choppy both with VO and 
>> movies through my tv’s speakers. It just started after the last apple tv 
>> software update. I’m hoping there will be a new update to correct this.
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I have an older Apple TV, the first model that had voiceover. I 
>>> have it connected to a TV through HDMI.
>>> It works fine through the internal lousy TV speakers. When I connect my 
>>> sound bar to the TV using the TV optical  output from the TV to my 
>>> sound bar, voiceover becomes very choppy and inconsistent, to the point 
>>> to that sometimes I hear no voice over output at all for the currently 
>>> focused menu item. I had this same problem with a different set up with 
>>> the same Apple TV, and thought it was a problem with either the cable 
>>> or the AV receiver I was using. Has anyone experienced this? I am now 
>>> believing there is a problem with my AppleTV, and I should just  go buy 
>>> another one. But I would sure hate to get stuck with $100 loser. Still, 
>>> it is hard for me to believe that this problem with optical outs from a 
>>> TV to a sound bar or anything to do with optical out on the AppleTV 
>>> would cause a problem. Surely, you can't just use it with the HDMI and 
>>> your TV speakers only?
>>> Mary
>>> 
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a program like Station Playlist on the Mac

[Scott Berry]

Hey guys,

I remember some talk a while back about a program that worked similar to SPL on 
the Mac.  I thought it was called Dee Jay but can’t quite remember.  Can anyone 
please refresh my mind on this?


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Re: GarageBand

[Scott Berry]

Yeah and Garage Band is pretty darned awesome in Yosemite as well.  I use it 
for music and love it.  The only thing I have found that I am uncertain how to 
do is stretch my loops.


> On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:37 PM, ernest mccullough  
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> O! Well, I guess I'll upgrade. Thanks guys.
> 
> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine
>> under Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and rely
>> on it for school.
>> Thanks
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
>>> heavy into word processing.
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
 Hi,
 I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X
 versions
 behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
 compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out
 on
 VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
 I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues
 are
 reduced.
 HTH
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
>  wrote:
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> I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
> operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
> 
> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what
>> to
>> tell
>> you.
>> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks.
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Re: GarageBand

[ernest mccullough]

Perhaps when I upgrade, you can show me how to use garage band.
On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Scott Berry wrote:

> Yeah and Garage Band is pretty darned awesome in Yosemite as well.  I use it 
> for music and love it.  The only thing I have found that I am uncertain how 
> to do is stretch my loops.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:37 PM, ernest mccullough  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> O! Well, I guess I'll upgrade. Thanks guys.
>> 
>> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine
>>> under Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and rely
>>> on it for school.
>>> Thanks
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough
  wrote:
 
 I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
 heavy into word processing.
 
 On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
> Hi,
> I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X
> versions
> behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
> compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out
> on
> VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
> I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues
> are
> reduced.
> HTH
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
>> operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
>> 
>> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what
>>> to
>>> tell
>>> you.
>>> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
>>> 
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 Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Brian Fischler]

Hey John,

Thanks will have to reinstall and try that, forgot about Activity monitor as I 
have not used that in ages. The program is Audio Switcher. I have multiple 
speakers hooked up to my mac and the program is supposed to easily allow you to 
adjust the volumes of each speaker set via the extras menu instead of having to 
do it through the system preferences and switch which speakers you are 
controlling. 
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:50 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

>   If you want to quit it, try Activity Monitor and quit the process from 
> there.  What application is it by chance?
> 
> 
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>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
>> hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
>> windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and 
>> do anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program 
>> is doing What a horribly designed utility.
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs 
>>> that can’t be found in its expose windows list.
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
 have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I 
 do that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still 
 running mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications 
 folder to reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it 
 is running. I have open the application chooser and the program does not 
 show there, I have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear 
 there, the program does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the world 
 do I find this program that is running? Over all my first experiences with 
 this program have been awful, and I would not tell anyone with VO to buy 
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Brian Fischler]

Yes Cheryl Audio Switcher it is .99 cents so you really cannot beat the price. 
Should you get it and can get the program to open do let me know what to do. 
Thanks, 
On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Did you get it from the Mac app store? Sorry if you already explained this. I 
> was thinking of getting it and see if I could figure it out at all.
> 
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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> A restart of the computer at least shut the program down and I have deleted 
> it but would love to use it as someone on the list claimed it was accessible 
> but being that I can’t find it anywhere and it was definitely opened figured 
> best to delete for now. If anyone has had any luck with audio switcher do let 
> me know. Thanks,
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:14 PM, The Believer  wrote:
> 
>> Is it in menu extras?
>> 
>> From The Believer. . .
>> . . . what if it were true?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/23/2014 11:11 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space 
>>> or hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are 
>>> no windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try 
>>> and do anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful 
>>> program is doing What a horribly designed utility.
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs 
 that can’t be found in its expose windows list.
 Hope this helps!
 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
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> is running. I have open the application chooser and the program does not 
> show there, I have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear 
> there, the program does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the 
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> experiences with this program have been awful, and I would not tell 
> anyone with VO to buy it.
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Re: GarageBand

[ernest mccullough]

Thank you so much Grant.
On Dec 23, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Grant Hardy wrote:

> Hi Ernest, you could always install Yosemite on a separate partition first to 
> try it out, or even on removable media (keeping in mind that things will feel 
> much slower on a removable drive).
> 
> I don’t have any experience with anything earlier than OS X Mavericks, but I 
> will say that Yosemite was an excellent upgrade for me in terms of 
> accessibility. Specifically, the improvements to web browsing with VO have 
> really made a difference. My understand is that accessibility with iWork is 
> much improved now from earlier versions. Unfortunately I can’t comment on the 
> iLife apps like Garage Band, and therefore don’t really have an answer to 
> your original question.
> 
> There certainly are bugs with Yosemite, and I can’t comment on how it might 
> run on older machines, but in general I think there’s much more to love than 
> there are problems. Some of the bugs are summarized on applevis.com if you 
> wish to make sure there’s nothing that will disrupt your workflow. There 
> shouldn’t be too much risk in backing up with Time Machine and then grabbing 
> the free upgrade to see how it runs. If you really need to, you can always go 
> back.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Grant
> 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, ernest mccullough  
> wrote:
> 
> O! Well, I guess I'll upgrade. Thanks guys.
> 
> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine
>> under Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and rely
>> on it for school.
>> Thanks
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
>>> heavy into word processing.
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
 Hi,
 I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X
 versions
 behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
 compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out
 on
 VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
 I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues
 are
 reduced.
 HTH
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
>  wrote:
> 
> I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
> operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
> 
> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what
>> to
>> tell
>> you.
>> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks.
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Cheryl Homiak]

Okay, there is just one review for this app in the app store (the one where 
this is two words) though admittedly it is not for the current version. The 
reviewer cites only being able to kill it with activity monitor and though he 
found the icon in the menu bar he says it was "stuck"; said developer did not 
respond to complaints.

There is another app: AudioSwitcher, which is $0.99 and appears to have a 
different developer; this is all one word by the way. Again, I don't know if 
there are reviews for the current version but there are definitely a lot more 
reviews for this one. I have not read them but it looks like they were more 
positive though it wouldn't be fair to compare that with the one interview for 
the other one. I don't know whether this other one will meet your needs but you 
might want to check it out.
 
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On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey John,

Thanks will have to reinstall and try that, forgot about Activity monitor as I 
have not used that in ages. The program is Audio Switcher. I have multiple 
speakers hooked up to my mac and the program is supposed to easily allow you to 
adjust the volumes of each speaker set via the extras menu instead of having to 
do it through the system preferences and switch which speakers you are 
controlling. 
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:50 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

>  If you want to quit it, try Activity Monitor and quit the process from 
> there.  What application is it by chance?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space or 
>> hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are no 
>> windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try and 
>> do anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful program 
>> is doing What a horribly designed utility.
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs 
>>> that can’t be found in its expose windows list.
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
 have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I 
 do that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still 
 running mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications 
 folder to reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it 
 is running. I have open the application chooser and the program does not 
 show there, I have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear 
 there, the program does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the world 
 do I find this program that is running? Over all my first experiences with 
 this program have been awful, and I would not tell anyone with VO to buy 
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weirdness in Safari for me

[Lorie McCloud]

I’m pretty new to the Mac so there could be something I’m missing. I was just 
on a website trying to activate a link. I checked to make sure cursor tracking 
was on. when I would hit vo-space on the link it would just start to read the 
heading to me again. this happened multiple times. I tried using quick-nav with 
similar results. the link was recognized because Vo would say it was a link but 
I couldn’t activate it no matter what I did. I also tried vo on each side of 
the spacebar. suggestions? 

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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Cheryl Homiak]

Sorry but it appears that the $0.99 one is AudioSwitcher (wone word); the $4.99 
one is "audio switcher" (two words). In the message below it is written with a 
space - two words - but given as the $0.99 one. Really, they shouldn't have two 
apps with a name only differing by a space or lack thereof, but it's there.


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On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Yes Cheryl Audio Switcher it is .99 cents so you really cannot beat the price. 
Should you get it and can get the program to open do let me know what to do. 
Thanks, 
On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Did you get it from the Mac app store? Sorry if you already explained this. I 
> was thinking of getting it and see if I could figure it out at all.
> 
> 
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> Christ, the risen LORD!!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> A restart of the computer at least shut the program down and I have deleted 
> it but would love to use it as someone on the list claimed it was accessible 
> but being that I can’t find it anywhere and it was definitely opened figured 
> best to delete for now. If anyone has had any luck with audio switcher do let 
> me know. Thanks,
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:14 PM, The Believer  wrote:
> 
>> Is it in menu extras?
>> 
>> From The Believer. . .
>> . . . what if it were true?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/23/2014 11:11 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space 
>>> or hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are 
>>> no windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try 
>>> and do anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful 
>>> program is doing What a horribly designed utility.
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs 
 that can’t be found in its expose windows list.
 Hope this helps!
 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
> have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I 
> do that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still 
> running mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications 
> folder to reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it 
> is running. I have open the application chooser and the program does not 
> show there, I have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear 
> there, the program does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the 
> world do I find this program that is running? Over all my first 
> experiences with this program have been awful, and I would not tell 
> anyone with VO to buy it.
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Re: strange issue in Safari and bookmarks

[David Griffith]

I will give it another try but so far I cannot replicate your problem.
What happens for me when I quit the bookmark editor is that I am in the 
Toolbar. Rather than navigating around this I routinely hit command shift H to 
go to my home page with focus on the web page. This was habit I developed under 
Mavericks for those occasions I wanted to quickly get out of the Tool bar and 
this seems to work just as well under Yosemite.

As i say I will keep on trying to see if I can reproduce your problem.

David Griffith
   
> On 23 Dec 2014, at 20:04, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I’m not sure if this has already been brought up but I think I found what 
> appears to be a bug in Safari. After doing a CMD Option b to bring up the 
> bookmarks folder for editing, everything works fine. But when doing the same 
> command of CMD option b to dismiss the editor, safari becomes unresponsive. 
> All I see is a scrolle  window with an empty HTML document. The only way to 
> restore Safari is by restarting it. Is anyone able to reproduce  this?
> Thanks
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Re: GarageBand

[Scott Berry]

I’d be happy to.  If you have Skype it would make it much easier as well.


> On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:36 PM, ernest mccullough  
> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps when I upgrade, you can show me how to use garage band.
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Scott Berry wrote:
> 
>> Yeah and Garage Band is pretty darned awesome in Yosemite as well.  I use it 
>> for music and love it.  The only thing I have found that I am uncertain how 
>> to do is stretch my loops.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:37 PM, ernest mccullough 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> O! Well, I guess I'll upgrade. Thanks guys.
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
 Hi,
 Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine
 under Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and rely
 on it for school.
 Thanks
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough
>  wrote:
> 
> I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
> heavy into word processing.
> 
> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X
>> versions
>> behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
>> compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out
>> on
>> VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
>> I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues
>> are
>> reduced.
>> HTH
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
>>> operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
 Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what
 to
 tell
 you.
 Maybe you might consider upgrading?
 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.
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Re: a program like Station Playlist on the Mac

[Pamela Francis]

Though I am not a broadcaster, I do work for an Internet radio station. I have 
heard of something called nice cast for Mac.

Pam Francis

On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:

Hey guys,

I remember some talk a while back about a program that worked similar to SPL on 
the Mac.  I thought it was called Dee Jay but can’t quite remember.  Can anyone 
please refresh my mind on this?


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Re: Choppy Apple TV

[Scott Berry]

I have the Third generation.  I forwent the whole TV thing though.


> On Dec 23, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Which AppleTV do you have, Scott? The second or third generation one? Someone 
> suggested that the latency problem is less or nonexistent with the more 
> recent model. Someone else said they still had choppiness. So I decided to go 
> for the analog out on my TV to the analog in on my sound bar.
> Mary
> 
> 
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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Scott Berry  > wrote:
> 
>> I am using a Philips sound bar myself.  I don’t really watch TV but enjoy 
>> many devices through my Sound bar.  I am currently using the Fiber Optic 
>> cables that the Apple Tv allows for.  I have used HDMI successfully as well 
>> though with my LG Electronics sound bar that I had which broke.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Robert Cole >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have you tried using your TV headphone jack?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I would love to be able to do the audio and video through a single cable 
 and still be able to use good speakers. How can one do that? In both of my 
 scenarios, I have had to use the digital optical cable, in order to avoid 
 using the horrible TV speakers. How can that be done with just the HDMI?
 Mary
 
 
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> Hi!
> Do i have to connect it through a dac then?
> /A
>> 23 dec 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Ray Foret Jr > >:
>> 
>> Actually, yes, the Apple TV box does have an optical output. However, 
>> let me point out, that the optical output on the Apple TV is strictly 
>> for nothing but digital audio. No video whatsoever passes through the 
>> optical port. If you want to do the audio and the video through a single 
>> cable, you have to use HDMI.
>> Your progress
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone,
>> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:48 PM, jeffrey greene > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, The apple tv itself has an optical output, but i think you need to 
>>> purchase the cable for it directly from apple. On the other hand, I 
>>> have an apple tv approximately one year old and its choppy both with VO 
>>> and movies through my tv’s speakers. It just started after the last 
>>> apple tv software update. I’m hoping there will be a new update to 
>>> correct this.
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all, I have an older Apple TV, the first model that had voiceover. 
 I have it connected to a TV through HDMI.
 It works fine through the internal lousy TV speakers. When I connect 
 my sound bar to the TV using the TV optical  output from the TV to my 
 sound bar, voiceover becomes very choppy and inconsistent, to the 
 point to that sometimes I hear no voice over output at all for the 
 currently focused menu item. I had this same problem with a different 
 set up with the same Apple TV, and thought it was a problem with 
 either the cable or the AV receiver I was using. Has anyone 
 experienced this? I am now believing there is a problem with my 
 AppleTV, and I should just  go buy another one. But I would sure hate 
 to get stuck with $100 loser. Still, it is hard for me to believe that 
 this problem with optical outs from a TV to a sound bar or anything to 
 do with optical out on the AppleTV would cause a problem. Surely, you 
 can't just use it with the HDMI and your TV speakers only?
 Mary
 
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Re: a program like Station Playlist on the Mac

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,
It's called radiologic du. You'll need that, in addition to nice cast though.

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> Though I am not a broadcaster, I do work for an Internet radio station. I 
> have heard of something called nice cast for Mac.
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> I remember some talk a while back about a program that worked similar to SPL 
> on the Mac.  I thought it was called Dee Jay but can’t quite remember.  Can 
> anyone please refresh my mind on this?
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Re: strange issue in Safari and bookmarks

[Faisal ali]

David,
CMD shit h might be my only option aside from restarting safari.
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:18 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> I will give it another try but so far I cannot replicate your problem.
> What happens for me when I quit the bookmark editor is that I am in the 
> Toolbar. Rather than navigating around this I routinely hit command shift H 
> to go to my home page with focus on the web page. This was habit I developed 
> under Mavericks for those occasions I wanted to quickly get out of the Tool 
> bar and this seems to work just as well under Yosemite.
> 
> As i say I will keep on trying to see if I can reproduce your problem.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 20:04, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I’m not sure if this has already been brought up but I think I found what 
>> appears to be a bug in Safari. After doing a CMD Option b to bring up the 
>> bookmarks folder for editing, everything works fine. But when doing the same 
>> command of CMD option b to dismiss the editor, safari becomes unresponsive. 
>> All I see is a scrolle  window with an empty HTML document. The only way to 
>> restore Safari is by restarting it. Is anyone able to reproduce  this?
>> Thanks
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Re: a program like Station Playlist on the Mac

[Scott Berry]

Cool beans thanks a bunch.  Are you any good at setting up Nice cast?  I am 
having some problems with it?


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> Hi,
> It's called radiologic du. You'll need that, in addition to nice cast though.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
>> 
>> Though I am not a broadcaster, I do work for an Internet radio station. I 
>> have heard of something called nice cast for Mac.
>> 
>> Pam Francis
>> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> I remember some talk a while back about a program that worked similar to SPL 
>> on the Mac.  I thought it was called Dee Jay but can’t quite remember.  Can 
>> anyone please refresh my mind on this?
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Re: a program like Station Playlist on the Mac

[Scott Berry]

Could you provide me with a web site for it?  In a quick search of Google I 
found no results.


> On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
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> radiologic du.

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Re: a program like Station Playlist on the Mac

[Joe Quinn]

It is called radiologikdj

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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
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> Could you provide me with a web site for it?  In a quick search of Google I 
> found no results.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
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>> radiologic du.
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Re: GarageBand

[Joe Quinn]

I'd like to know how to use it as well.

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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:18 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
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> I’d be happy to.  If you have Skype it would make it much easier as well.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:36 PM, ernest mccullough  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps when I upgrade, you can show me how to use garage band.
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Scott Berry wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah and Garage Band is pretty darned awesome in Yosemite as well.  I use 
>>> it for music and love it.  The only thing I have found that I am uncertain 
>>> how to do is stretch my loops.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:37 PM, ernest mccullough 
  wrote:
 
 O! Well, I guess I'll upgrade. Thanks guys.
 
> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
> Hi,
> Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine
> under Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and rely
> on it for school.
> Thanks
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
>> heavy into word processing.
>> 
>>> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X
>>> versions
>>> behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
>>> compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out
>>> on
>>> VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
>>> I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues
>>> are
>>> reduced.
>>> HTH
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
  wrote:
 
 I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
 operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
 
> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what
> to
> tell
> you.
> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
>>  wrote:
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>> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks.
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Re: GarageBand

[Scott Berry]

Well if we are starting to requests on how to use Garage Band let’s see how 
many people would like to learn it.  Then we can do a voice chat some where.  
So I have two people so far who want to learn do we have more people who would 
like to learn?


> On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
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> I'd like to know how to use it as well.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:18 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>> 
>> I’d be happy to.  If you have Skype it would make it much easier as well.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:36 PM, ernest mccullough 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps when I upgrade, you can show me how to use garage band.
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Scott Berry wrote:
 
 Yeah and Garage Band is pretty darned awesome in Yosemite as well.  I use 
 it for music and love it.  The only thing I have found that I am uncertain 
 how to do is stretch my loops.
 
 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:37 PM, ernest mccullough 
>  wrote:
> 
> O! Well, I guess I'll upgrade. Thanks guys.
> 
>> On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine
>> under Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and 
>> rely
>> on it for school.
>> Thanks
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
>>> heavy into word processing.
>>> 
 On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
 Hi,
 I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X
 versions
 behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
 compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out
 on
 VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
 I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility 
 issues
 are
 reduced.
 HTH
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
>  wrote:
> 
> I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
> operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
> 
>> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what
>> to
>> tell
>> you.
>> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly 
>>> accessible?
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks.
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Re: Filling out pdf forms

[Eric Oyen]

well,
how long ago did you pay for that software? if you can't use it because of 
accessibility issues, you might be able to get your money back (although, if 
you got it through the app store, it might take some effort). Otherwise, try 
contacting the software vendor. they might be able to help.

-eric

On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> 
> Having fixed your form with somebody else's help, could you now do it 
> yourself?  Or does it always require sighted help?  I'm afraid I've bought 
> pdf pro but have not been able to use it.  So as you said, it's just sitting 
> there, an expensive thing.  
> 
> Best wishes for Christmas
> 
> Simon
>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 01:52, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Andrew,
>> 
>> Yes, I know exactly what you mean.  I sat with one of our Adobe Master 
>> teachers fixing up a form and it took a bit of work to actually make it 
>> properly readable for me.  It took about 15 minutes to get all the fields 
>> fixed up, but, it sure was worth it to me.  I did have the advantage of 
>> having someone close by to fix things up where you probably did not.  PDF 
>> Pen Pro is rather expensive to just have it sit there in your apps folder.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 14:35, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Tim,
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for your valuable input.  I rather feared it was the case.  
>>> I'm not sure I was wise to have spent the money on pdf pro as very few 
>>> people will have made sure they had constructed a proper pdf form.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On 21 Dec 2014, at 16:38, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 If a pdf is formatted properly, then you interact with the pdf content 
 area once and you’ll be set in the level where you can quickly navigate 
 the various pages if it is a multi-page document.  Interact one more time 
 on the specific page and, if a field is an Edit field, VO will announce it 
 as such and you’ll be able to the data.  The difficulty arises with 
 improperly created editable forms.  The Edit fields need to be properly 
 tagged and inserted as an Edit Field.  If the creator of the form just 
 left blank space and expected the user to enter info there, then it will 
 not be usable from within VO.  So, if no Edit filed is announced, you’re 
 kind of out of luck.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Dec 20, 2014, at 12:31, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> I've purchased pdf pro but i have no idea how to use it with Voiceover.  
> If anyone could give me some clues, I'd be grateful.  I had to fill in a 
> pdf form a few weeks ago but all I could find on the page was groups and 
> in each a page but was not able to navigate any boxes in which to input 
> data.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 19 Dec 2014, at 22:05, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> PDF Pen Pro
>>> On 19 Dec 2014, at 21:58, Chris G  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> What pdf form filler is accessible with VoiceOver on the mac.
>>> 
>>> I have some pdf forms I need to fill out.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Chris
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Re: weirdness in Safari for me

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Try using the return key.  You can usually press tab or shift-tab to move 
through links on the page and then press return to activate the link.  Not 
always the quickest method for navigating a page, but useful for when pages are 
being uncooperative.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 17:59, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I’m pretty new to the Mac so there could be something I’m missing. I was just 
> on a website trying to activate a link. I checked to make sure cursor 
> tracking was on. when I would hit vo-space on the link it would just start to 
> read the heading to me again. this happened multiple times. I tried using 
> quick-nav with similar results. the link was recognized because Vo would say 
> it was a link but I couldn’t activate it no matter what I did. I also tried 
> vo on each side of the spacebar. suggestions? 
> 
> Thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Filling out pdf forms

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, after it was fixed, I am totally able to fill out the form on my own.  The 
issue Eric, is not with respect to the accessibility of the app, but with the 
accessibility of the pdf forms, therefore, I’m not sure that an app return is 
possible.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 18:59, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> well,
> how long ago did you pay for that software? if you can't use it because of 
> accessibility issues, you might be able to get your money back (although, if 
> you got it through the app store, it might take some effort). Otherwise, try 
> contacting the software vendor. they might be able to help.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Having fixed your form with somebody else's help, could you now do it 
>> yourself?  Or does it always require sighted help?  I'm afraid I've bought 
>> pdf pro but have not been able to use it.  So as you said, it's just sitting 
>> there, an expensive thing.  
>> 
>> Best wishes for Christmas
>> 
>> Simon
>>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 01:52, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andrew,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I know exactly what you mean.  I sat with one of our Adobe Master 
>>> teachers fixing up a form and it took a bit of work to actually make it 
>>> properly readable for me.  It took about 15 minutes to get all the fields 
>>> fixed up, but, it sure was worth it to me.  I did have the advantage of 
>>> having someone close by to fix things up where you probably did not.  PDF 
>>> Pen Pro is rather expensive to just have it sit there in your apps folder.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Dec 21, 2014, at 14:35, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
 
 Dear Tim,
 
 Thanks again for your valuable input.  I rather feared it was the case.  
 I'm not sure I was wise to have spent the money on pdf pro as very few 
 people will have made sure they had constructed a proper pdf form.
 
 Andrew
> On 21 Dec 2014, at 16:38, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If a pdf is formatted properly, then you interact with the pdf content 
> area once and you’ll be set in the level where you can quickly navigate 
> the various pages if it is a multi-page document.  Interact one more time 
> on the specific page and, if a field is an Edit field, VO will announce 
> it as such and you’ll be able to the data.  The difficulty arises with 
> improperly created editable forms.  The Edit fields need to be properly 
> tagged and inserted as an Edit Field.  If the creator of the form just 
> left blank space and expected the user to enter info there, then it will 
> not be usable from within VO.  So, if no Edit filed is announced, you’re 
> kind of out of luck.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2014, at 12:31, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> I've purchased pdf pro but i have no idea how to use it with Voiceover.  
>> If anyone could give me some clues, I'd be grateful.  I had to fill in a 
>> pdf form a few weeks ago but all I could find on the page was groups and 
>> in each a page but was not able to navigate any boxes in which to input 
>> data.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 19 Dec 2014, at 22:05, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> PDF Pen Pro
 On 19 Dec 2014, at 21:58, Chris G  
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 What pdf form filler is accessible with VoiceOver on the mac.
 
 I have some pdf forms I need to fill out.
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
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Re: GarageBand

[Rob]

Hi,
It would be nice if you could do a series of podcasts on garageband.

On 12/23/2014 7:54 PM, Scott Berry wrote:

Well if we are starting to requests on how to use Garage Band let’s see how 
many people would like to learn it.  Then we can do a voice chat some where.  
So I have two people so far who want to learn do we have more people who would 
like to learn?



On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Joe Quinn  wrote:

I'd like to know how to use it as well.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:18 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:

I’d be happy to.  If you have Skype it would make it much easier as well.



On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:36 PM, ernest mccullough  
wrote:

Perhaps when I upgrade, you can show me how to use garage band.

On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Scott Berry wrote:

Yeah and Garage Band is pretty darned awesome in Yosemite as well.  I use it 
for music and love it.  The only thing I have found that I am uncertain how to 
do is stretch my loops.



On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:37 PM, ernest mccullough  
wrote:

O! Well, I guess I'll upgrade. Thanks guys.


On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
Hi,
Pages is perfectly accessible under Yosemite and it was working just fine
under Mavericks. I can assure you as I am also a heavy pages user and rely
on it for school.
Thanks

On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, ernest mccullough
 wrote:

I understand though that accessabibity has been broken in pages. I'm
heavy into word processing.


On 12/23/14, Faisal ali  wrote:
Hi,
I can understand wanting to play it safe but being two major OS X
versions
behind is going to be extremely problematic as you will encounter
compatibility issues with commonly used apps not to mention missing out
on
VO enhancements in later versions of OS X.
I would at least upgrade to Mavericks to insure app compatibility issues
are
reduced.
HTH

On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, ernest mccullough
 wrote:

I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.


On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what
to
tell
you.
Maybe you might consider upgrading?


On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
 wrote:

Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

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Re: GarageBand

[Phil Halton]

I'm usually pretty cautious as well, but I just upgraded from Mavericks to 
Yosemite on both my machines and I have absolutely no problems with it.
Sent from my IPhone


> On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:55 PM, ernest mccullough  
> wrote:
> 
> I wanted to upgrade, but I've heard horror stories about the latest
> operating system, so I was trying to play it safe.
> 
>> On 12/23/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> Ernest, You’re 3 operating systems out of date, I wouldn’t know what to tell
>> you.
>> Maybe you might consider upgrading?
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, ernest mccullough
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello: Under Lion, which version of garage band is mostly accessible?
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks.
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Re: Choppy Apple TV

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I have the Apple TV 2 and have no issues like this when streaming music or HD 
media either directly from my computer or from Apple using HDMI.  As long as 
your Internet connection is good, the WiFi Access Point is working normally and 
you’re playing properly formatted media, there should not be any real 
noticeable lag.  VO should speak normally as well.

Maybe I dived into this thread late, so if I’m missing some part of the 
conversation, I apologize.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 18:20, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> I have the Third generation.  I forwent the whole TV thing though.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Which AppleTV do you have, Scott? The second or third generation one? 
>> Someone suggested that the latency problem is less or nonexistent with the 
>> more recent model. Someone else said they still had choppiness. So I decided 
>> to go for the analog out on my TV to the analog in on my sound bar.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Scott Berry > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I am using a Philips sound bar myself.  I don’t really watch TV but enjoy 
>>> many devices through my Sound bar.  I am currently using the Fiber Optic 
>>> cables that the Apple Tv allows for.  I have used HDMI successfully as well 
>>> though with my LG Electronics sound bar that I had which broke.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Robert Cole >>> > wrote:
 
 Have you tried using your TV headphone jack?
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
> I would love to be able to do the audio and video through a single cable 
> and still be able to use good speakers. How can one do that? In both of 
> my scenarios, I have had to use the digital optical cable, in order to 
> avoid using the horrible TV speakers. How can that be done with just the 
> HDMI?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Do i have to connect it through a dac then?
>> /A
>>> 23 dec 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Ray Foret Jr >> >:
>>> 
>>> Actually, yes, the Apple TV box does have an optical output. However, 
>>> let me point out, that the optical output on the Apple TV is strictly 
>>> for nothing but digital audio. No video whatsoever passes through the 
>>> optical port. If you want to do the audio and the video through a 
>>> single cable, you have to use HDMI.
>>> Your progress
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone,
>>> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:48 PM, jeffrey greene >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, The apple tv itself has an optical output, but i think you need to 
 purchase the cable for it directly from apple. On the other hand, I 
 have an apple tv approximately one year old and its choppy both with 
 VO and movies through my tv’s speakers. It just started after the last 
 apple tv software update. I’m hoping there will be a new update to 
 correct this.
 Jeff
 
> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I have an older Apple TV, the first model that had voiceover. 
> I have it connected to a TV through HDMI.
> It works fine through the internal lousy TV speakers. When I connect 
> my sound bar to the TV using the TV optical  output from the TV to my 
> sound bar, voiceover becomes very choppy and inconsistent, to the 
> point to that sometimes I hear no voice over output at all for the 
> currently focused menu item. I had this same problem with a different 
> set up with the same Apple TV, and thought it was a problem with 
> either the cable or the AV receiver I was using. Has anyone 
> experienced this? I am now believing there is a problem with my 
> AppleTV, and I should just  go buy another one. But I would sure hate 
> to get stuck with $100 loser. Still, it is hard for me to believe 
> that this problem with optical outs from a TV to a sound bar or 
> anything to do with optical out on the AppleTV would cause a problem. 
> Surely, you can't just use it with the HDMI and your TV speakers only?
> Mary
> 
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Re: how to search on the mac using spotlight?

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hi david the sendspace links are not working for me does your podcast have 
its own website? or can i get it from iTunes? kind regards trey.

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Re: Choppy Apple TV

[Mary Otten]

Hi Scott,
Well, forgoing the whole TV thing is definitely not possible here. I have a 
cited husband who would not be happy. Besides, I thought you needed the HDMI 
something to do with the video, before you could do things like watch Netflix.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> I have the Third generation.  I forwent the whole TV thing though.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Which AppleTV do you have, Scott? The second or third generation one? 
>> Someone suggested that the latency problem is less or nonexistent with the 
>> more recent model. Someone else said they still had choppiness. So I decided 
>> to go for the analog out on my TV to the analog in on my sound bar.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am using a Philips sound bar myself.  I don’t really watch TV but enjoy 
>>> many devices through my Sound bar.  I am currently using the Fiber Optic 
>>> cables that the Apple Tv allows for.  I have used HDMI successfully as well 
>>> though with my LG Electronics sound bar that I had which broke.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
 
 Have you tried using your TV headphone jack?
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I would love to be able to do the audio and video through a single cable 
> and still be able to use good speakers. How can one do that? In both of 
> my scenarios, I have had to use the digital optical cable, in order to 
> avoid using the horrible TV speakers. How can that be done with just the 
> HDMI?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Do i have to connect it through a dac then?
>> /A
>>> 23 dec 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
>>> 
>>> Actually, yes, the Apple TV box does have an optical output. However, 
>>> let me point out, that the optical output on the Apple TV is strictly 
>>> for nothing but digital audio. No video whatsoever passes through the 
>>> optical port. If you want to do the audio and the video through a 
>>> single cable, you have to use HDMI.
>>> Your progress
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone,
>>> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:48 PM, jeffrey greene  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, The apple tv itself has an optical output, but i think you need to 
 purchase the cable for it directly from apple. On the other hand, I 
 have an apple tv approximately one year old and its choppy both with 
 VO and movies through my tv’s speakers. It just started after the last 
 apple tv software update. I’m hoping there will be a new update to 
 correct this.
 Jeff
 
> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I have an older Apple TV, the first model that had voiceover. 
> I have it connected to a TV through HDMI.
> It works fine through the internal lousy TV speakers. When I connect 
> my sound bar to the TV using the TV optical  output from the TV to my 
> sound bar, voiceover becomes very choppy and inconsistent, to the 
> point to that sometimes I hear no voice over output at all for the 
> currently focused menu item. I had this same problem with a different 
> set up with the same Apple TV, and thought it was a problem with 
> either the cable or the AV receiver I was using. Has anyone 
> experienced this? I am now believing there is a problem with my 
> AppleTV, and I should just  go buy another one. But I would sure hate 
> to get stuck with $100 loser. Still, it is hard for me to believe 
> that this problem with optical outs from a TV to a sound bar or 
> anything to do with optical out on the AppleTV would cause a problem. 
> Surely, you can't just use it with the HDMI and your TV speakers only?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How in the world do you get to a program that is open yet does not appear anywhere

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Cheryl,

Thanks so much for this info. Dumb me, as I remember reading about this app on 
this list, and when I went to the app store and read the app description it 
sounded like the app I wanted the .99 cents version, never in a million years 
would have thought that there would be an app with the same name that does the 
same thing and one works and one does not. I should have read the reviews of 
the app before spending the .99 very fishy, and like you said I to am surprised 
Apple would allow two apps with the same name to exist. Will have to look in to 
the other app and contact Apple for a refund even if it is only .99, 
interesting that the reviewer says the app does not work, surprised that Apple 
allows it to still exist in the app store. The whole thing is very strange and 
considering I buy a lot of apps this is a first. Thanks again for doing the due 
diligence that I should have done myself. Best, and Happy Holidays.
On Dec 23, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Sorry but it appears that the $0.99 one is AudioSwitcher (wone word); the 
> $4.99 one is "audio switcher" (two words). In the message below it is written 
> with a space - two words - but given as the $0.99 one. Really, they shouldn't 
> have two apps with a name only differing by a space or lack thereof, but it's 
> there.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
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> meet Immanuel (God with us),
> Jesus, the crucified Savior,
> Christ, the risen LORD!!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Yes Cheryl Audio Switcher it is .99 cents so you really cannot beat the 
> price. Should you get it and can get the program to open do let me know what 
> to do. Thanks, 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> Did you get it from the Mac app store? Sorry if you already explained this. 
>> I was thinking of getting it and see if I could figure it out at all.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
>> 
>> Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
>> meet Immanuel (God with us),
>> Jesus, the crucified Savior,
>> Christ, the risen LORD!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> A restart of the computer at least shut the program down and I have deleted 
>> it but would love to use it as someone on the list claimed it was accessible 
>> but being that I can’t find it anywhere and it was definitely opened figured 
>> best to delete for now. If anyone has had any luck with audio switcher do 
>> let me know. Thanks,
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:14 PM, The Believer  wrote:
>> 
>>> Is it in menu extras?
>>> 
>>> From The Believer. . .
>>> . . . what if it were true?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/2014 11:11 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 Hi Jeff,
 
 Thanks. Yes the program is showing in Mission Control yet when I VO space 
 or hit return in mission control on it and do a VO F2 I am told there are 
 no windows but something is definitely there as I hear the ding when I try 
 and do anything at all, how in the world do I quit whatever this awful 
 program is doing What a horribly designed utility.
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, jeffrey greene  wrote:
 
> Hi try mission control, function-f3. It often shows programs and dialogs 
> that can’t be found in its expose windows list.
> Hope this helps!
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brian Fischler  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So I just bought Audio Switcher which I read there was a screen that you 
>> have to hit VO F2 to use the window chooser menu to get to with VO. So I 
>> do that and nothing is presented to me except my desktop. I am still 
>> running mavericks. So I go to delete the program from my applications 
>> folder to reinstall it and I am told the program cannot be deleted as it 
>> is running. I have open the application chooser and the program does not 
>> show there, I have opened the force quit menu and it does not appear 
>> there, the program does not appear in the menu extras. So how in the 
>> world do I find this program that is running? Over all my first 
>> experiences with this program have been awful, and I would not tell 
>> anyone with VO to buy it.
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Re: GarageBand

[Gabriele Battaglia]

Yeah and Garage Band is pretty darned awesome in Yosemite as well. I use 
it for music and love it.  The only thing I have found that I am 
uncertain how to do is stretch my loops.

Hello.
How can you like it?
The last version has some serious inacessibility.
Gabriel.

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Re: GarageBand

[Gabriele Battaglia]

Scott Berry, alle 02:18 del 24/12/2014, digitò:

I’d be happy to.  If you have Skype it would make it much easier as well.


Hi Scott.
I'd like to take part of your class, if you don't mind.
Gabriel.

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Re: how to search on the mac using spotlight?

[David Griffith]

You can find all the Finder Podcasts on the Apple Vis Podcast feed or just go 
to www.applevis.com   and put Finder in the search 
and my Podcasts should come up.

The links are still working though as I have checked them. You  could also try 
just looking in your download folder. You may well have downloaded them without 
realising it as they come down quickly and as they are Pro links they will just 
come straight down without an intervening web site..
The other thing to try is to copy and paste them rather than into Safari  
rather than just clicking  them.

David Griffith  
> On 24 Dec 2014, at 02:41, Trahern Culver  wrote:
> 
> hi david the sendspace links are not working for me does your podcast have 
> its own website? or can i get it from iTunes? kind regards trey.
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