Re: Remapping keys with VM fusion

[Kliphton Senior]

That is correct.  You can download it on the mac, but it will have to be 
installed on windows.

> On Aug 20, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>  wrote:
> 
> if memory serves it is a windows app
> hth
> Hank
> 
> On 8/19/2014 9:47 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
>> Is sharp keys a mac app, or something you download once in the vm?
>> Thanks!
>> Cait
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's why I prefer the sharp keys way.
>>> 
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>>> Subject: Re: Remapping keys with VM fusion
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Couple of points here. Firstly, if you delete all the built in keystrokes,
>>> you have to do a lot of finger contortions that you don't actually need to
>>> do, given that the mac keystrokes are much easier to reach than the windows
>>> ones. I would advise people to keep them, they can actually come in really
>>> handy. Secondly, and more importantly, if you swap the windows and alt keys
>>> round in Windows, how can you command-tab away from Fusion, as command is
>>> now alt, so would give you the alt-tab keystroke in Windows? Yes, it takes a
>>> little getting used to the fusion arrangement, but it gives you far more
>>> flexibility than doing this remapping does.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On 17 Aug 2014, at 11:57, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>>> 
 Below is what I found in my collection of mac tutorials.
 Mapping keys in fusion
 
> First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while
> you
 often
> do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in
> 1 of
 2
> ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as
> far as
 I'm
> aware, but it is a little tricky to set up because of an interface
> issue
 in
> fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys
 program.
> Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. For
> example, using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or
> your right option key, to the windows insert.
> 
> If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines will get an
> insert
 key. If
> you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using
> the
 fusion
> keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because fusion
> only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command
> comma, and not on a per machine basis, command e.
> 
> If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to
> be a
 local
> setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys
> modifies
 the
> windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you the same
> result: an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held
> down
 as if it
> were a modifier key for other keys.
> 
> This answers your other issue, where caps lock cannot be used inside
> the virtual machine as a modifier. It works as  a caps lock, but you
> can't
 hold it
> down and press a letter inside the virtual machine, in order to give
> commands to your screen reader. Sharp keys and fusion itself though,
> will give you an insert key like the one on a normal windows
> computer. This
 lets
> you use insert rather than caps lock for your screen reader's
> commands, so let's concentrate on insert, and I will leave caps lock for
>>> someone else.
> Now, let's look at the way you can do it inside fusion. I'm using
> fusion
 3.1.3,
> which is the latest version as of today. To update, go to the menu
> bar in fusion, vo m, then once right, then down to check for updates,
> and then follow the instructions.
> 
> First, fire up fusion and, just to be certain, have your virtual
> machines
 shut
> down. Then press command comma to open fusion's global preferences.
> 
> At the top of this window is a toolbar. Interact with it and click
 keyboard and
> mouse. A new window will appear.
> 
> The first thing you will encounter is a pop up button where you
> choose
 your
> keyboard and mouse profile. The window itself consists of 4 tab
> sheets,
 and
> all those settings together are stored in a keyboard and mouse
> profile. I don't think we will ever need a second profile, but that's

Re: Time Machine question

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I'm just waiting for IOS 8 so that I can have ICloud drive to put all my stuff. 
At the moment I just have my portible SSD to put my stuff on. No Back ups.

Kawal.

> On 18 Aug 2014, at 11:34 pm, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Time Machine runs verifications every so often, to make sure your backups are 
> sound.  I can assure you that even when I'm backed up to a Time Capsule, I 
> occasionally have to erase the disk and start again.  Rather that than not 
> have a current backup.  I know it's annoying.  I'd also advise you think 
> about a second backup, if you want that extra peace of mind--perhaps a remote 
> backup using something like Arq of all your critical stuff.
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Safari on the Mac.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

When I open safari, I am not getting any web sites accept for a tool bar and 
tabs. If I want anything, Everything is in tabs that I have viewed recently. I 
have gone in to preferences to change it or have tried but everything is still 
in this format. What do I have to do to get Apple open as this is my home Page 
but it's not happening.

Thank you.

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RE: Safari on the Mac.

[Kliphton Senior]

Go to system preferences in safari, go to general, there are 2 pop up
buttons, make sure they are both set to open your home page.  You can also
hide favorites and top sites in here.  HTH

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Subject: Safari on the Mac.

Hello.

When I open safari, I am not getting any web sites accept for a tool bar and
tabs. If I want anything, Everything is in tabs that I have viewed recently.
I have gone in to preferences to change it or have tried but everything is
still in this format. What do I have to do to get Apple open as this is my
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Thank you.

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RE: Safari on the Mac.

[Kliphton Senior]

Sorry bout that, wrong signature.  Guess I shouldn't be up so early!lol

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Subject: RE: Safari on the Mac.

Go to system preferences in safari, go to general, there are 2 pop up
buttons, make sure they are both set to open your home page.  You can also
hide favorites and top sites in here.  HTH

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Subject: Safari on the Mac.

Hello.

When I open safari, I am not getting any web sites accept for a tool bar and
tabs. If I want anything, Everything is in tabs that I have viewed recently.
I have gone in to preferences to change it or have tried but everything is
still in this format. What do I have to do to get Apple open as this is my
home Page but it's not happening.

Thank you.

Kawal.

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advanced voice over?

[Kliphton Senior]

So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice
over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?  They have
a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about
the advanced user?

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Re: advanced voice over?

[Alex Hall]

What, specifically, are you looking to do? Beginner stuff is easy, because you 
can limit it to "the keystrokes you need to know" or "how to do x y an z in 
VoiceOver compared to NVDA". Advanced is, well, advanced, and everyone's level 
of what defines "advanced" is different, and non-basic commands are harder to 
lump together than basic ones. So, what are you looking to do, or do more 
efficiently?
On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:

> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice 
> over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?  They have 
> a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about 
> the advanced user?
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Re: advanced voice over?

[David Taylor]

You'll learn more from the geting started guide, which you'll find in the VO 
help menu, which you were told how to access in the tutorial when you first 
started VO and would find a great help anyway. Mac isn't like Windows, just let 
Apple show you how to do things. Then you learn how software does things by 
looking through its menus and experimenting. It's always worth trying a 
standard arrow key rather than a VO keystroke, for instance, to save on 
fingers, and Mac apps probably tend to have more shortcut keys than Windows 
ones. Do what I've just said and there's no reason you won't be a VO expert in 
a couple of days. Go through all the sections, even if their titles don't look 
inspiring. I've never known a screen reader have such comprehensive and easy to 
follow documentation built right in, no need to download training materials or 
learn to use a piece of software just to hear them :)

Cheers
Dave

On 20 Aug 2014, at 13:55, Alex Hall  wrote:

> What, specifically, are you looking to do? Beginner stuff is easy, because 
> you can limit it to "the keystrokes you need to know" or "how to do x y an z 
> in VoiceOver compared to NVDA". Advanced is, well, advanced, and everyone's 
> level of what defines "advanced" is different, and non-basic commands are 
> harder to lump together than basic ones. So, what are you looking to do, or 
> do more efficiently?
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
> 
>> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice 
>> over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?  They have 
>> a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about 
>> the advanced user?
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a question with regard to ClamXav and scanning e-mails

[Ray Foret Jr]

Hello there y'all.  Gonna be a great day today now that I am once again fully 
protected by ClamXav.  I wish to know something from those of y'all who have 
chosen the same app.

When I went in to ClamXav preferences, I made sure to check the scan e-mails 
box.  Now, I need to know if that was all I kneeded to do in order to ensure 
that ClamXav scanns every e-mail that comes in to my in box.  Do I need to 
actually have ClamXav open all the time for this to work?  Also, I was under 
the impression that ClamXav Century scans or can scan all incoming files.  I 
have the app set to produce the sound to indicate that scanning is completely 
done.  Again, do I need ClamXav open in the background in order for century to 
do this?

PS.  I find this anti virus app nice and easy to use:  though, perhaps the 
labeling might be a tad better.


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!

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Re: advanced voice over?

[Kayaker]

Hi,

So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? 

I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus reading 
the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO Utility 
application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control verbosity. 
I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use the keyboard 
commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the commander 
functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both keyboard and 
trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of customizations you can make within 
the VO Utility.

I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy 
last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I tend 
to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. I tend 
to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual menus or a 
stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that point I will use the mouse 
button like any sighted user would.

Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then just 
hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use all the 
modifier combinations.

And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way to 
do something that annoys you.  Odds are, there probably is, and you'll get the 
answer here.

Enjoy.
--K
Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
questions.
 



On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:

> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice 
> over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?  They have 
> a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about 
> the advanced user?
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Searching in a large table with voiceover

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I have a list of podcast in iTunes that's hundreds of row big.  How can I move 
/ search in it to find a particular podcast?  It's so tedious to go down each 
row with vo+arrow keys every time I want to find another podcast.

Thanks for any tips.

Andrew

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Re: advanced voice over?

[Kliphton Senior]

Thanks for the few tips.  I actually hate the track pad.  But will do what you 
suggested!

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> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> So, you think you’re ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? 
> 
> I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus reading 
> the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO Utility 
> application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control 
> verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use the 
> keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the 
> commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both keyboard 
> and trackpad to your advantage. There’s a lot of customizations you can make 
> within the VO Utility.
> 
> I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy 
> last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I 
> tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. 
> I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual 
> menus or a stubborn button that won’t activate. So, at that point I will use 
> the mouse button like any sighted user would.
> 
> Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then just 
> hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use all 
> the modifier combinations.
> 
> And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way to 
> do something that annoys you.  Odds are, there probably is, and you’ll get 
> the answer here.
> 
> Enjoy.
> —K
> Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
> questions.
>  
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>> 
>> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice 
>> over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?  They have 
>> a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about 
>> the advanced user?
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RE: Torrent client recommendation?

[Bill Holton]

Yes, exactly.  If anyone is running this successfully, can you contact me off 
list so I can ask some questions?

bill32...@gmail.com  

Thanks.

 

 

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Torrent client recommendation?

 


uTorrent is the same as micro Torrent.

 

The only other client I know about that's reasonably accessible is 
Transmission.  You could give it a try.

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Re: Torrent client recommendation?

[David Taylor]

Utorrent is fine for me.

Cheers
Dave

On 20 Aug 2014, at 14:54, Bill Holton  wrote:

> Yes, exactly.  If anyone is running this successfully, can you contact me off 
> list so I can ask some questions?
> bill32...@gmail.com
> Thanks.
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> uTorrent is the same as micro Torrent.
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> Transmission.  You could give it a try.
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Re: watching u tube videos

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I believe so since some really old content was not in MPEG format so the 
video codecs of the browser wouldn't be able to handle them. I think I 
read somewhere that some content with ad overlays are done in Flash as 
well but that may no longer be the case.


CB

On 8/12/14, 12:50 AM, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote:
HI.  will it revert to flash if it can’t use the html 5 button or will 
the video just not play?

thanks
Blessings!
maria and Joe chapman
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On 11 Aug 2014, at 1:47 pm, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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Have you tried setting the default to html5? It's been a while but I 
think you go to youtube.com/html5  and find 
the "Request the HTML5 Player" button. From then on it will try to 
use HTML5 video instead of Flash, which usually is more accessible. 
Not all videos will play this way but many do.


CB

On 8/7/14, 11:33 PM, Faisal wrote:

Or, you could use an app like mac tube.
On Aug 7, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Ray Foret Jr > wrote:



Double tap on the video title and it should play.
Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in!


On Aug 7, 2014, at 9:35 PM, Jean > wrote:



Hello:
Every now and then, like right now, I am required to watch a video 
which is on u tube.  I know there are some programs that make u 
tube more accessible but right now I just need to watch the video 
but I can't find the link that makes it play.

Suggestions?
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MS Access

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Hello,

Is there an alternative to MS Access on the Mac? My wife is working for a place 
that has an Access database on their computers, and want her to be able to work 
on it. Any advice would be appreciated.

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Re: MS Access

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

MS Access is a proprietary database which Microsoft has chosen to only 
support on Windows. While you can do the same thing using any number of 
Mac-only or cross-platform tools, if they need work done on an existing 
Access DB your only choice will be to buy and set up both Windows and 
Access. Of course you can do this in vmware or bootcamp.


CB

On 8/20/14, 11:23 AM, Brandon A. Olivares wrote:

Hello,

Is there an alternative to MS Access on the Mac? My wife is working 
for a place that has an Access database on their computers, and want 
her to be able to work on it. Any advice would be appreciated.


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Re: Torrent client recommendation?

[Joshua Tubbs]

Regarding Transmition, I don’t think it is very accessible. Last I tried it, 
you couldn’t check the status of downloads. By far, uTorrent is the best, 
simple interface to use, if you’re using the latest version.

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> bill32...@gmail.com 
> Thanks.
>  
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Re: Haptic Feedback Technolegy

[Joshua Tubbs]

My thought is that Apple is adding features that have been in android phones 
for years. I wouldn’t be surprised if VOiceOver gets haptic feedback if you use 
an iPhone 6.
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 1:00 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
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> Hello everybody.
> 
> Just ran a  cross a development in regards to the up coming iPhone6 that I 
> found very interesting.
> It appears probable that it will have something called haptic feedback.  This 
> will allow a user to feel subtle vibrations on different areas of the touch 
> screen resulting from app events.  In other words, a tactile screen.  Sounds 
> like an optican to me, or at least things seem to be moving in that direction.
> You can google this and quickly find information about it, but a source I 
> found is at http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/10/iphone-6-haptic-feedback/ 
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> I would be interested to here anybody’s thoughts.
> Later.
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Re: a question with regard to ClamXav and scanning e-mails

[Daniel Chavez]

To answer your question. No, the app doesn't need to be opened. It works in the 
background.

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Re: a question with regard to ClamXav and scanning e-mails

[Joshua Tubbs]

Is this app free? I'm not willing to pay for Antivirus for the Mac.
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Re: a question with regard to ClamXav and scanning e-mails

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Yes it is free

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Re: Haptic Feedback Technolegy

[Barry Hadder]

First of all, I withdraw my apology for my initial post.  I don't see any 
reason that any trackpad couldn't have this as well.  So this could affect the 
Mac.

Joshua,
If you are saying that android phones have had this for some time, then it 
doesn't appear to be  as much of a game changer as I initially thought.  I was 
unfamiliar with this technology before I came across some things on the web, 
and, while this still could be an interesting development, I haven't seen much 
activity on discussion lists about it.  Nor have I seen blind IOS users 
flocking to android.

Thank you for your comments.


On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:

My thought is that Apple is adding features that have been in android phones 
for years. I wouldn't be surprised if VOiceOver gets haptic feedback if you use 
an iPhone 6.
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 1:00 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody.
> 
> Just ran a  cross a development in regards to the up coming iPhone6 that I 
> found very interesting.
> It appears probable that it will have something called haptic feedback.  This 
> will allow a user to feel subtle vibrations on different areas of the touch 
> screen resulting from app events.  In other words, a tactile screen.  Sounds 
> like an optican to me, or at least things seem to be moving in that direction.
> You can google this and quickly find information about it, but a source I 
> found is at http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/10/iphone-6-haptic-feedback/.
> I would be interested to here anybody's thoughts.
> Later.
> 
> 
> Barry
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Re: advanced voice over?

[Pamela Francis]

Hello,
This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask because 
I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in activities and how 
do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three years I've had my 
computer and don't understand what they're there for.  If I remember correctly 
they are not addressed in the initial voiceover tutorial one can use when 
learning how to get around the Mac.  

Pam Francis

On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:

Thanks for the few tips.  I actually hate the track pad.  But will do what you 
suggested!

Kliphton
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> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> So, you think you’re ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? 
> 
> I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus reading 
> the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO Utility 
> application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control 
> verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use the 
> keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the 
> commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both keyboard 
> and trackpad to your advantage. There’s a lot of customizations you can make 
> within the VO Utility.
> 
> I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy 
> last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I 
> tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. 
> I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual 
> menus or a stubborn button that won’t activate. So, at that point I will use 
> the mouse button like any sighted user would.
> 
> Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then just 
> hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use all 
> the modifier combinations.
> 
> And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way to 
> do something that annoys you.  Odds are, there probably is, and you’ll get 
> the answer here.
> 
> Enjoy.
> —K
> Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
> questions.
>  
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>> 
>> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice 
>> over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?  They have 
>> a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what about 
>> the advanced user?
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Re: advanced voice over?

[Rachel Feinberg]

Hi Pam,

activities are a pretty neat feature. Let's say, in Safari, if you always 
wanted quick nav to turn on when you went to the browser, you could set it up 
so it would do so when you opened Safari, as an example. It's a way of 
automating tasks so Voiceover can do some of the work, leaving you to be more 
efficient.
I don't know if it still is, but I found that activities (at least using the 
quick nav example) tended  to slow Voiceover's performance, but the principle 
is fantastic.
HTH,
Rachel. 
On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:

> Hello,
> This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask 
> because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in 
> activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three 
> years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for.  If I 
> remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover tutorial 
> one can use when learning how to get around the Mac.  
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the few tips.  I actually hate the track pad.  But will do what 
> you suggested!
> 
> Kliphton
> (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com
> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72
> (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? 
>> 
>> I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus 
>> reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO 
>> Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control 
>> verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use 
>> the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the 
>> commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both 
>> keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of customizations you 
>> can make within the VO Utility.
>> 
>> I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy 
>> last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I 
>> tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. 
>> I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual 
>> menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that point I will use 
>> the mouse button like any sighted user would.
>> 
>> Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then 
>> just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use 
>> all the modifier combinations.
>> 
>> And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way 
>> to do something that annoys you.  Odds are, there probably is, and you'll 
>> get the answer here.
>> 
>> Enjoy.
>> --K
>> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
>> questions.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>> 
>>> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice 
>>> over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?  They 
>>> have a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what 
>>> about the advanced user?
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Re: advanced voice over?

[Matt Dierckens]

I like to describe activities in VO kind of like voice profiles in JAWS. You 
can have different VO settings for certain applications. So for example, if 
when in textedit you wanted the speed to be a little slower for editing 
purposes but have the main speed faster, you can set an activity for this. 
There are tons of options you can set up in activities.

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On Aug 20, 2014, at 13:16, Pamela Francis  wrote:

> Hello,
> This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask 
> because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in 
> activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three 
> years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for.  If I 
> remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover tutorial 
> one can use when learning how to get around the Mac.  
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the few tips.  I actually hate the track pad.  But will do what 
> you suggested!
> 
> Kliphton
> (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com
> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72
> (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? 
>> 
>> I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus 
>> reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the VO 
>> Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and control 
>> verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend to use 
>> the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look into the 
>> commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use both 
>> keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of customizations you 
>> can make within the VO Utility.
>> 
>> I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, copy 
>> last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful command I 
>> tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO Command F5. 
>> I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the contextual 
>> menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that point I will use 
>> the mouse button like any sighted user would.
>> 
>> Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then 
>> just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to use 
>> all the modifier combinations.
>> 
>> And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way 
>> to do something that annoys you.  Odds are, there probably is, and you'll 
>> get the answer here.
>> 
>> Enjoy.
>> --K
>> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
>> questions.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>> 
>>> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things voice 
>>> over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?  They 
>>> have a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the beginner, what 
>>> about the advanced user?
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Editing in GarageBand 10

[Kjsc Radio]

Hello all, is anybody having problems editing in the new version of GarageBand? 
The reason I'm asking this is because, i  used to  be able to edit  regions, 
and split, copy, and paste, in  the older version of GarageBand quite well! But 
now, with the newer version, I can't seem to do that. I can split, copy, but I 
can't paste it even if it's in the exact place where I want it to go. I am 
honestly getting sick of this, and if anybody has any suggestions on how I can 
solve this problem, I would be very grateful. Thanks

Jonnyboy! Iphones rock!

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Re: advanced voice over?

[Jonathan Mosen]

Yes I use an activity in Night Owl to give me a hot key to let me know how many 
characters I have remaining in a tweet, and to automatically speak when I 
change view, such as from Home to Mentions etc.
I also use an activity to set verbosity to low in Mail, to get around the 
disclosure triangle Mail bug that was introduced with Mavericks.
There is currently an unfortunate bug where if you use one of the Nuance 
voices, switching applications if an activity is involved takes a long time. 
This may be the performance issue Rachel was referring to. Hopefully this will 
be address in Yosemite as activities are really useful.
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On 21/08/2014, at 5:25 am, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:

> Hi Pam,
> 
> activities are a pretty neat feature. Let's say, in Safari, if you always 
> wanted quick nav to turn on when you went to the browser, you could set it up 
> so it would do so when you opened Safari, as an example. It's a way of 
> automating tasks so Voiceover can do some of the work, leaving you to be more 
> efficient.
> I don't know if it still is, but I found that activities (at least using the 
> quick nav example) tended  to slow Voiceover's performance, but the principle 
> is fantastic.
> HTH,
> Rachel. 
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask 
>> because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in 
>> activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three 
>> years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for.  If 
>> I remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover 
>> tutorial one can use when learning how to get around the Mac.  
>> 
>> Pam Francis
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the few tips.  I actually hate the track pad.  But will do what 
>> you suggested!
>> 
>> Kliphton
>> (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com
>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72
>> (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? 
>>> 
>>> I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus 
>>> reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the 
>>> VO Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and 
>>> control verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend 
>>> to use the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look 
>>> into the commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use 
>>> both keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of 
>>> customizations you can make within the VO Utility.
>>> 
>>> I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, 
>>> copy last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful 
>>> command I tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO 
>>> Command F5. I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with the 
>>> contextual menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that 
>>> point I will use the mouse button like any sighted user would.
>>> 
>>> Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then 
>>> just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to 
>>> use all the modifier combinations.
>>> 
>>> And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way 
>>> to do something that annoys you.  Odds are, there probably is, and you'll 
>>> get the answer here.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy.
>>> --K
>>> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
>>> questions.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>>> 
 So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things 
 voice over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?  
 They have a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the 
 beginner, what about the advanced user?
 
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The end of all OS X Lion support, patches included, is likely just weeks away

[Christopher Hallsworth]

The end of all OS X Lion support, patches included, is likely just weeks 
away

by MacDailyNews
[cfsp key="adsense_336x280"]"Apple is working its way toward releasing 
OS X Mountain Lion [sic Mavericks] 10.9.5, very likely the last 
non-security update for the 10-month old operating system," Gregg Keizer 
reports for Computerworld.
"While Apple hasn't said -- it never does -- when it will release 
Mavericks 10.9.5, it's almost certain to be the last update that 
includes non-security bug fixes, the kind of performance and reliability 
improvements that Mac owners hunger for, or changes to existing features 
in the OS," Keizer reports. "Both Lion (OS X 10.7) and Mountain Lion 
(10.8) reached x.x.5 and no further, for instance... [It's] likely that 
Apple will deliver Mavericks 10.9.5 some time in September."
"More important than the delivery date for the last non-security 
Mavericks refresh is the fact that the same day will also mark the end 
of security patches for 2011's Lion, or OS X 10.7," Keizer reports. 
"Halting patches for OS X Lion customers would, of course, be painful -- 
and potentially risky -- for them, but Apple probably won't blink an 
eye. As of July, Lion accounted for just 10% of all versions of OS X in 
use, according to metrics company Net Applications. By the end of 
September, Lion's user share will be about 8%, assuming it continues to 
drop at the rate it has over the last six months. That will be less than 
half of Snow Leopard's share when Apple pulled its plug last year.

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Re: Searching in a large table with voiceover

[David Griffith]

I am not sure about Podcast but ion my Music library table I have column 
browser enabled and the sort preference set to songs.
I can , if interacting with that table,  then type the name of the artist or 
album and I will jump straight there.
Unfortunately you do not seem to then be able to cursor  up and  down the list 
by using cursor or vo cursor keys jumps you back to the beginning of the table.
However in column browser view you are able to cursor rightwards across the 
table so it is a quick way of navigating to where you want to  be.

Alternatively you could use search but on my iTunes the results come out in 
grid view which I do nnot find easy to use.

David Griffith   
On 20 Aug 2014, at 14:32, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a list of podcast in iTunes that's hundreds of row big.  How can I 
> move / search in it to find a particular podcast?  It's so tedious to go down 
> each row with vo+arrow keys every time I want to find another podcast.
> 
> Thanks for any tips.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: advanced voice over?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

hi, to Pamela and others, there are not stupid questions only stupid answers.
Or as we say on irc even we sometimes regret it , don't ask to ask just ask.
:)))
Sandi


On 8/20/14, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> Yes I use an activity in Night Owl to give me a hot key to let me know how
> many characters I have remaining in a tweet, and to automatically speak when
> I change view, such as from Home to Mentions etc.
> I also use an activity to set verbosity to low in Mail, to get around the
> disclosure triangle Mail bug that was introduced with Mavericks.
> There is currently an unfortunate bug where if you use one of the Nuance
> voices, switching applications if an activity is involved takes a long time.
> This may be the performance issue Rachel was referring to. Hopefully this
> will be address in Yosemite as activities are really useful.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>
> On 21/08/2014, at 5:25 am, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
>
>> Hi Pam,
>>
>> activities are a pretty neat feature. Let's say, in Safari, if you always
>> wanted quick nav to turn on when you went to the browser, you could set it
>> up so it would do so when you opened Safari, as an example. It's a way of
>> automating tasks so Voiceover can do some of the work, leaving you to be
>> more efficient.
>> I don't know if it still is, but I found that activities (at least using
>> the quick nav example) tended  to slow Voiceover's performance, but the
>> principle is fantastic.
>> HTH,
>> Rachel.
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Pamela Francis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask
>>> because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in
>>> activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the
>>> three years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there
>>> for.  If I remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial
>>> voiceover tutorial one can use when learning how to get around the Mac.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pam Francis
>>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the few tips.  I actually hate the track pad.  But will do
>>> what you suggested!
>>>
>>> Kliphton
>>> (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com
>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72
>>> (Personal blog, read at your own risk!)
>>> http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker  wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh?

 I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus
 reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in
 the VO Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see
 and control verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so
 I tend to use the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad
 user, look into the commander functions, or the Numpad commander
 functions, and use both keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's
 a lot of customizations you can make within the VO Utility.

 I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C,
 copy last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful
 command I tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with
 VO Command F5. I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues
 with the contextual menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So,
 at that point I will use the mouse button like any sighted user would.

 Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then
 just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to
 use all the modifier combinations.

 And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier
 way to do something that annoys you.  Odds are, there probably is, and
 you'll get the answer here.

 Enjoy.
 --K
 Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the
 questions.




 On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior 
 wrote:

> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things
> voice over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?
>  They have a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the
> beginner, what about the advanced user?
>
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Re: Transfer files via bluetooth.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok.
Sad but i do hope it will be possible in comming versions.
/A
20 aug 2014 kl. 04:07 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :

>> Even though it would be an excellent fit, the answer is no, sorry.
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Re: Haptic Feedback Technolegy

[David Chittenden]

Well, that depends. The haptic vibration on Android phones that I have seen 
merely activates the phone's vibration motor very briefly each time an onscreen 
button is touched. To sighted people, this makes it feel like the button is 
physically activating. To the blind person, there is no similar experience 
because the vibration is not actually localised. If Apple does the same thing, 
it will continue being a gimmick. However, if Apple has figured out a way to 
create localised vibrations, this would, in fact, be very ground-breaking.

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Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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> On 21 Aug 2014, at 3:57, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> My thought is that Apple is adding features that have been in android phones 
> for years. I wouldn’t be surprised if VOiceOver gets haptic feedback if you 
> use an iPhone 6.
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 1:00 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody.
>> 
>> Just ran a  cross a development in regards to the up coming iPhone6 that I 
>> found very interesting.
>> It appears probable that it will have something called haptic feedback.  
>> This will allow a user to feel subtle vibrations on different areas of the 
>> touch screen resulting from app events.  In other words, a tactile screen.  
>> Sounds like an optican to me, or at least things seem to be moving in that 
>> direction.
>> You can google this and quickly find information about it, but a source I 
>> found is at http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/10/iphone-6-haptic-feedback/.
>> I would be interested to here anybody’s thoughts.
>> Later.
>> 
>> 
>> Barry
>> 
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Re: Torrent client recommendation?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I've used transmission.
Its ok but not the best.
Utorrent i never understood.
/A
20 aug 2014 kl. 17:42 skrev Joshua Tubbs :

> Regarding Transmition, I don't think it is very accessible. Last I tried it, 
> you couldn't check the status of downloads. By far, uTorrent is the best, 
> simple interface to use, if you're using the latest version.
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, exactly.  If anyone is running this successfully, can you contact me 
>> off list so I can ask some questions?
>> bill32...@gmail.com
>> Thanks.
>>  
>>  
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:27 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Torrent client recommendation?
>>  
>> 
>> uTorrent is the same as micro Torrent.
>>  
>> The only other client I know about that's reasonably accessible is 
>> Transmission.  You could give it a try.
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icloud mail questions

[don bishop]

I have my own domain and use mail forwarding through my sbcglobal account.  I 
seem to be loosing messages with sbcglobal which is a part of at&t.  So, I'm 
considering setting up an icloud account on the mac and iphone.  I'm wondering 
if there are any limitations on message size or attachment size.  

Also, does icloud filter out any messages?  
Anything I should be aware of before committing my mail to an icloud account?

Thanks,

Don


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Re: Searching in a large table with voiceover

[Andrew Lamanche]

David,

Thanks for the tip.   I'd certainly benefit from using it in my music but 
Podcasts don't have the same options as music library does.  I'll try along the 
lines of your solution to see.

Thanks again.

Andrew
On 20 Aug 2014, at 20:24, David Griffith  wrote:

> I am not sure about Podcast but ion my Music library table I have column 
> browser enabled and the sort preference set to songs.
> I can , if interacting with that table,  then type the name of the artist or 
> album and I will jump straight there.
> Unfortunately you do not seem to then be able to cursor  up and  down the 
> list by using cursor or vo cursor keys jumps you back to the beginning of the 
> table.
> However in column browser view you are able to cursor rightwards across the 
> table so it is a quick way of navigating to where you want to  be.
> 
> Alternatively you could use search but on my iTunes the results come out in 
> grid view which I do nnot find easy to use.
> 
> David Griffith   
> On 20 Aug 2014, at 14:32, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a list of podcast in iTunes that's hundreds of row big.  How can I 
>> move / search in it to find a particular podcast?  It's so tedious to go 
>> down each row with vo+arrow keys every time I want to find another podcast.
>> 
>> Thanks for any tips.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
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Re: icloud mail questions

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
If I remember right, there is a 5 MB limit on iCloud storage, unless you buy 
more. However, having said that, I have yet to run into any limitations when 
using iCloud on this list. Also, I have found it easier to manage this list 
using iCloud.c this is because of syncing with your computer and with your eye 
devices.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2014, at 3:05 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
> I have my own domain and use mail forwarding through my sbcglobal account.  I 
> seem to be loosing messages with sbcglobal which is a part of at&t.  So, I'm 
> considering setting up an icloud account on the mac and iphone.  I'm 
> wondering if there are any limitations on message size or attachment size.  
> 
> Also, does icloud filter out any messages?  
> Anything I should be aware of before committing my mail to an icloud account?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Don
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Re: icloud mail questions

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I believe it's actually 5GB, which is a non-trivial amount of mail. 
Upgrading from the free level gets you 10, 20 or 50GB.


CB

On 8/20/14, 4:25 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi there
If I remember right, there is a 5 MB limit on iCloud storage, unless you buy 
more. However, having said that, I have yet to run into any limitations when 
using iCloud on this list. Also, I have found it easier to manage this list 
using iCloud.c this is because of syncing with your computer and with your eye 
devices.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 20, 2014, at 3:05 PM, don bishop  wrote:

I have my own domain and use mail forwarding through my sbcglobal account.  I seem 
to be loosing messages with sbcglobal which is a part of at&t.  So, I'm 
considering setting up an icloud account on the mac and iphone.  I'm wondering if 
there are any limitations on message size or attachment size.

Also, does icloud filter out any messages?
Anything I should be aware of before committing my mail to an icloud account?

Thanks,

Don


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Re: icloud mail questions

[matthew Dyer]

Hi,

I am using iCloud here with no problems.  I also have a gmail address 
forwarding to my iCloud address and it works just find here.  I think that so 
far it is very stable.

Matthew


On Aug 20, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there
> If I remember right, there is a 5 MB limit on iCloud storage, unless you buy 
> more. However, having said that, I have yet to run into any limitations when 
> using iCloud on this list. Also, I have found it easier to manage this list 
> using iCloud.c this is because of syncing with your computer and with your 
> eye devices.
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 3:05 PM, don bishop  wrote:
>> 
>> I have my own domain and use mail forwarding through my sbcglobal account.  
>> I seem to be loosing messages with sbcglobal which is a part of at&t.  So, 
>> I'm considering setting up an icloud account on the mac and iphone.  I'm 
>> wondering if there are any limitations on message size or attachment size.  
>> 
>> Also, does icloud filter out any messages?  
>> Anything I should be aware of before committing my mail to an icloud account?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Don
>> 
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Re: Searching in a large table with voiceover

[Colin Matthews]

Hi!
I'm not sure if this will help but using the item chooser [VO+i] should bring 
up everything and typing the 1st couple of letters of the podcast [if you know 
them] will narrow down the selection, and vo space should put you on that one 
and you can arrow from there to others near that one!
HTH Colin

On 20 Aug 2014, at 21:11, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

> David,
> 
> Thanks for the tip.   I'd certainly benefit from using it in my music but 
> Podcasts don't have the same options as music library does.  I'll try along 
> the lines of your solution to see.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Andrew
> On 20 Aug 2014, at 20:24, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
>> I am not sure about Podcast but ion my Music library table I have column 
>> browser enabled and the sort preference set to songs.
>> I can , if interacting with that table,  then type the name of the artist or 
>> album and I will jump straight there.
>> Unfortunately you do not seem to then be able to cursor  up and  down the 
>> list by using cursor or vo cursor keys jumps you back to the beginning of 
>> the table.
>> However in column browser view you are able to cursor rightwards across the 
>> table so it is a quick way of navigating to where you want to  be.
>> 
>> Alternatively you could use search but on my iTunes the results come out in 
>> grid view which I do nnot find easy to use.
>> 
>> David Griffith   
>> On 20 Aug 2014, at 14:32, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have a list of podcast in iTunes that's hundreds of row big.  How can I 
>>> move / search in it to find a particular podcast?  It's so tedious to go 
>>> down each row with vo+arrow keys every time I want to find another podcast.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any tips.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: Haptic Feedback Technolegy

[Barry Hadder]

Good point.
Thanks for the further clarification.  Localized vibrations seem to be what 
Apple is going for from what I’ve read.  It will be interesting to see what 
happens with this.

> On Aug 20, 2014, at 3:03 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Well, that depends. The haptic vibration on Android phones that I have seen 
> merely activates the phone's vibration motor very briefly each time an 
> onscreen button is touched. To sighted people, this makes it feel like the 
> button is physically activating. To the blind person, there is no similar 
> experience because the vibration is not actually localised. If Apple does the 
> same thing, it will continue being a gimmick. However, if Apple has figured 
> out a way to create localised vibrations, this would, in fact, be very 
> ground-breaking.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 21 Aug 2014, at 3:57, Joshua Tubbs  > wrote:
> 
>> My thought is that Apple is adding features that have been in android phones 
>> for years. I wouldn’t be surprised if VOiceOver gets haptic feedback if you 
>> use an iPhone 6.
>>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 1:00 AM, Barry Hadder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everybody.
>>> 
>>> Just ran a  cross a development in regards to the up coming iPhone6 that I 
>>> found very interesting.
>>> It appears probable that it will have something called haptic feedback.  
>>> This will allow a user to feel subtle vibrations on different areas of the 
>>> touch screen resulting from app events.  In other words, a tactile screen.  
>>> Sounds like an optican to me, or at least things seem to be moving in that 
>>> direction.
>>> You can google this and quickly find information about it, but a source I 
>>> found is at http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/10/iphone-6-haptic-feedback/ 
>>> .
>>> I would be interested to here anybody’s thoughts.
>>> Later.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Barry
>>> 
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Re: Remapping keys with VM fusion

[Eric Caron]

Also,

You may want to consider using Keyremap4macbook and its PC counter 
part.  I use this to turn my capslock key on the Mac into VO keys and on the 
virtual machine it turns my caps lock into a insert key for PC screen readers. 

Just another option to consider.

Eric Caron 


On Aug 20, 2014, at 4:44 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:

> That is correct.  You can download it on the mac, but it will have to be 
> installed on windows.
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> if memory serves it is a windows app
>> hth
>> Hank
>> 
>> On 8/19/2014 9:47 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
>>> Is sharp keys a mac app, or something you download once in the vm?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Cait
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>>> 
 That's why I prefer the sharp keys way.
 
 Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want quick
 efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to 
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 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Taylor
 Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:15 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Remapping keys with VM fusion
 
 Hi,
 
 Couple of points here. Firstly, if you delete all the built in keystrokes,
 you have to do a lot of finger contortions that you don't actually need to
 do, given that the mac keystrokes are much easier to reach than the windows
 ones. I would advise people to keep them, they can actually come in really
 handy. Secondly, and more importantly, if you swap the windows and alt keys
 round in Windows, how can you command-tab away from Fusion, as command is
 now alt, so would give you the alt-tab keystroke in Windows? Yes, it takes 
 a
 little getting used to the fusion arrangement, but it gives you far more
 flexibility than doing this remapping does.
 
 Cheers
 Dave
 
 On 17 Aug 2014, at 11:57, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
 
> Below is what I found in my collection of mac tutorials.
> Mapping keys in fusion
> 
>> First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while
>> you
> often
>> do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in
>> 1 of
> 2
>> ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as
>> far as
> I'm
>> aware, but it is a little tricky to set up because of an interface
>> issue
> in
>> fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys
> program.
>> Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. For
>> example, using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or
>> your right option key, to the windows insert.
>> 
>> If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines will get an
>> insert
> key. If
>> you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using
>> the
> fusion
>> keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because fusion
>> only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command
>> comma, and not on a per machine basis, command e.
>> 
>> If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to
>> be a
> local
>> setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys
>> modifies
> the
>> windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you the same
>> result: an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held
>> down
> as if it
>> were a modifier key for other keys.
>> 
>> This answers your other issue, where caps lock cannot be used inside
>> the virtual machine as a modifier. It works as  a caps lock, but you
>> can't
> hold it
>> down and press a letter inside the virtual machine, in order to give
>> commands to your screen reader. Sharp keys and fusion itself though,
>> will give you an insert key like the one on a normal windows
>> computer. This
> lets
>> you use insert rather than caps lock for your screen reader's
>> commands, so let's concentrate on insert, and I will leave caps lock for
 someone else.
>> Now, let's look at the way you can do it inside fusion. I'm using
>> fusion
> 3.1.3,
>> which is the latest version as of today. To update, go to the menu
>> bar in fusion, vo m, then once right, then down to check for updates,
>> and then follow the instructions.
>> 
>> First, fire up fusion and, just to be certain, have your virtual
>> machines
> shut
>> down. Then press command comma to open fusion's global

Re: can't figure out how to open NFB Newsline email attachments

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

If you have a Victor reader or other leader for Daisy books I can help you 
because I wrote a script couple years back that I can bring back to life that 
will do most the work for you. Contact me at my email address of Jon.C.cohn 
@Gmail.com. For more information.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2014, at 7:12 PM, "Christina C."  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I don't understand how to open the email attachments from NFB newsline. I 
> just got the email for Family Fun magazine and it has multiple attachments. I 
> can't figure out how to open them, which one to open, nor with what. I 
> thought I was just supposed to open the xml file in Safari but it is not an 
> option when I pull up the context menu. I am really baffled here and I have 
> been for a few weeks now. :)
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Re: advanced voice over?

[John D. Lipsey]

Jonathan:

This hot key to know how many characters are left in a tweet when in 
YoruFukurou sounds like a dead useful feature.  Having never created a hot key 
for this, or any other purpose come to think of it, could you give me some 
instructions on how I might accomplish this task?

Thanks in advance.

-John
On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:14, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Yes I use an activity in Night Owl to give me a hot key to let me know how 
> many characters I have remaining in a tweet, and to automatically speak when 
> I change view, such as from Home to Mentions etc.
> I also use an activity to set verbosity to low in Mail, to get around the 
> disclosure triangle Mail bug that was introduced with Mavericks.
> There is currently an unfortunate bug where if you use one of the Nuance 
> voices, switching applications if an activity is involved takes a long time. 
> This may be the performance issue Rachel was referring to. Hopefully this 
> will be address in Yosemite as activities are really useful.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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> 
> On 21/08/2014, at 5:25 am, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pam,
>> 
>> activities are a pretty neat feature. Let's say, in Safari, if you always 
>> wanted quick nav to turn on when you went to the browser, you could set it 
>> up so it would do so when you opened Safari, as an example. It's a way of 
>> automating tasks so Voiceover can do some of the work, leaving you to be 
>> more efficient.
>> I don't know if it still is, but I found that activities (at least using the 
>> quick nav example) tended  to slow Voiceover's performance, but the 
>> principle is fantastic.
>> HTH,
>> Rachel. 
>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask 
>>> because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in 
>>> activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three 
>>> years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for.  If 
>>> I remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover 
>>> tutorial one can use when learning how to get around the Mac.  
>>> 
>>> Pam Francis
>>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the few tips.  I actually hate the track pad.  But will do what 
>>> you suggested!
>>> 
>>> Kliphton
>>> (iMessage&Email) m.kliph...@gmail.com
>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72
>>> (Personal blog, read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? 
 
 I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus 
 reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the 
 VO Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and 
 control verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I tend 
 to use the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad user, look 
 into the commander functions, or the Numpad commander functions, and use 
 both keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's a lot of 
 customizations you can make within the VO Utility.
 
 I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, 
 copy last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful 
 command I tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with VO 
 Command F5. I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues with 
 the contextual menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, at that 
 point I will use the mouse button like any sighted user would.
 
 Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then 
 just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to 
 use all the modifier combinations.
 
 And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier way 
 to do something that annoys you.  Odds are, there probably is, and you'll 
 get the answer here.
 
 Enjoy.
 --K
 Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
 questions.
  
 
 
 
 On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
 
> So, now that everyone knows the basics, what are some advanced things 
> voice over users can learn?  Where would we find documentation on this?  
> They have a lot of tutorials out there, but most of it is for the 
> beginner, what about the advanced user?
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Re: advanced voice over?

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi John, the trick is to create an activity for Night Owl so you have a unique 
series of hotspots for that app. Then locate the area where the character count 
is shown and assign that area to a hotspot. If you're like me and like 
pneumonics, reassign the hotkey for the hotspot to something logical. I have 
mine on the right Option key with C, for character count.
Works a treat!
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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On 21/08/2014, at 2:32 pm, John D. Lipsey  wrote:

> Jonathan:
> 
> This hot key to know how many characters are left in a tweet when in 
> YoruFukurou sounds like a dead useful feature.  Having never created a hot 
> key for this, or any other purpose come to think of it, could you give me 
> some instructions on how I might accomplish this task?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -John
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:14, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
>> Yes I use an activity in Night Owl to give me a hot key to let me know how 
>> many characters I have remaining in a tweet, and to automatically speak when 
>> I change view, such as from Home to Mentions etc.
>> I also use an activity to set verbosity to low in Mail, to get around the 
>> disclosure triangle Mail bug that was introduced with Mavericks.
>> There is currently an unfortunate bug where if you use one of the Nuance 
>> voices, switching applications if an activity is involved takes a long time. 
>> This may be the performance issue Rachel was referring to. Hopefully this 
>> will be address in Yosemite as activities are really useful.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>> On 21/08/2014, at 5:25 am, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pam,
>>> 
>>> activities are a pretty neat feature. Let's say, in Safari, if you always 
>>> wanted quick nav to turn on when you went to the browser, you could set it 
>>> up so it would do so when you opened Safari, as an example. It's a way of 
>>> automating tasks so Voiceover can do some of the work, leaving you to be 
>>> more efficient.
>>> I don't know if it still is, but I found that activities (at least using 
>>> the quick nav example) tended  to slow Voiceover's performance, but the 
>>> principle is fantastic.
>>> HTH,
>>> Rachel. 
>>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 This topic brings me to a question I have never had the courage to ask 
 because I don't want to be considered stupid. What is the purpose in 
 activities and how do you use them? I've never messed with it in the three 
 years I've had my computer and don't understand what they're there for.  
 If I remember correctly they are not addressed in the initial voiceover 
 tutorial one can use when learning how to get around the Mac.  
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
 
 Thanks for the few tips.  I actually hate the track pad.  But will do what 
 you suggested!
 
 Kliphton
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 On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Kayaker  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> So, you think you're ready to move up to the VO big leagues eh? 
> 
> I tend to go with self help. I often check out the VO-H command menus 
> reading the command descriptions to see what I can do. I also look in the 
> VO Utility application where you can assign actions to keys and see and 
> control verbosity. I was using VO before the trackpad commander, so I 
> tend to use the keyboard commands exclusively. If you are a trackpad 
> user, look into the commander functions, or the Numpad commander 
> functions, and use both keyboard and trackpad to your advantage. There's 
> a lot of customizations you can make within the VO Utility.
> 
> I think my favorite command beyond the basics is simply the VO Shift C, 
> copy last phrase spoken to the clipboard. And the second most useful 
> command I tend to use is the move mouse cursor to voiceover cursor with 
> VO Command F5. I tend to use that for working around voiceover issues 
> with the contextual menus or a stubborn button that won't activate. So, 
> at that point I will use the mouse button like any sighted user would.
> 
> Another fun game to play is to enable keyboard help, with VO K, and then 
> just hit keys with the VO controls down to hear what they do. Be sure to 
> use all the modifier combinations.
> 
> And the other important thing is to ask the list if there is an easier 
> way to do something that annoys you.  Odds are, there probably is, and 
> you'll get the answer here.
> 
> Enjoy.
> --K
> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
>>

Re: a question with regard to ClamXav and scanning e-mails

[Eric Oyen]

its a hell of a lot better than AVAST (on windows). In fact, I would recommend 
ClamZav for any platform you choose. there are a couple of unlabeled buttons on 
the main screen, but if thats the only issue, its a very minor one. :)

-eric

On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Daniel Chavez wrote:

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