Re: translation of .brf fiels

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Not sure but i know libreoffice has a plugin that translates to braille.
Libreoffice works really great with voiceover.
/A
7 aug 2014 kl. 03:22 skrev Joe Quinn :

> is there an app that'll translate .brf files into txt and/or vice versa? 
> Thanks!
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Re: batch conversion for AIFF?

[Piotr Machacz]

If you're referring to alert sounds in general (and I'm sure Mail supports 
using those), they can be any format that quicktime supports. So not just aiff, 
but also wav/mp3/m4a/caf/au will work. Just put them in ~/library/sounds and 
most apps should pick them up.

> On 07 Aug 2014, at 04:29, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
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> This is the format that apple uses for sounds in email on the mac.  I have 
> some sounds I want in there, but don't have a program to do it.  Suggestions?
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Feedback to Apple.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

For those of you who want advancement in technology.  I am posting to both 
lists as in a  manner of speaking we all use Apple products.

We should all write to apple and state that we'd like Voice Over to work with 
driverless cars. I did this today pointing out the benefits for Blind and 
Partially sighted people as this would improve our employment aspects and 
mobility immensly. I will not get a reply but at least they will read my 
comments.

Kawal.  

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Re: Fillable MS Word files on Mac?

[Alex Hall]

So the table is how it's supposed to be? I have never used this kind of form on 
either platform, and expected a prompt, then something VO would identify as a 
text field, for instance. Also, I had sighted help filling this one out, and we 
noticed that a line of hint text appeared when you put your cursor in any of 
the editable areas. Is there any way to read that help text with VO? Thanks.
On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:06 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> Interestingly, I actually find these types of files more accessible in Pages, 
> at least more accessible than MS Word 2010 on Windows.
> 
> Yes, essentially you just type your answer in the corresponding blank cell. 
> The only thing to be careful of is where some cells are merged, and to 
> distinguish between headers and things that actually require responses. The 
> best way to figure out these these things is to navigate in the table with 
> only the arrow keys (not with the VO keys). 
> 
> 
> On 6 Aug 2014, at 8:46 am, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just downloaded an application which is a fillable MS Word file. I have 
>> Pages, but instead of text fields, I see a table with some blank cells and 
>> other cells giving the prompt (first name, a few empty cells, last name, a 
>> few empty cells, etc). Is there a trick to this, do I just pick a cell and 
>> fill out the information, or is this format just not supported? Thanks.
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Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

[Phil Halton]

A simpler method would be to simply copy the column, then insert a new column 
where you want the data, and then do a paste. Move to the top of the column, 
then do a shift command down arrow to select the entire column. Then do an 
option right arrow at the column after which you want the data to appear. Of 
course, don't forget to copy the selected fcolumns first, then paste into the 
newly created column. This may still mess up your formulas depending on whether 
you used  relative or absolute addressing.

That gets fairly tricky. I don't know if you're writing your own formulas, or 
if these are someone else's. But, the addressing system they use will determine 
if the formulas can be moved from one position to another without screwing them 
up. 
Sent from my IPhone


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> wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to work out how to move columns in Numbers without upsetting 
> formulas etc. Sighted people can just click on the column reference tab and 
> drag the column left or right to the new location.
> 
> I've tried getting into the column reference tab with VO-shift-backslash and 
> then selecting column reference tab, and then using the VO commands to drag 
> and drop. However, this never works. It seems more than just the usual 
> flakiness, it just never seems to have any effect, even though VoiceOver 
> announces that the column has been inserted.
> 
> Any ideas?
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Re: Reading Bookshare's XML

[Ibraheem Fakir]

Dear Christine,

Hope you're well. I remember having this conversation with you earlier this 
year. Since then, I've figured out a work around to open Bookshare files in 
Mavericks. After you download the daisy file from Bookshare, open up the folder 
you downloaded and search for the file with the xml extension. Rename the 
extension to html. You'll then be able to open and read the book in Safari with 
VO.

Happy reading.

Ibraheem


On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> Good luck. 
> On Mar 18, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
> 
>> Hey,
>> That is so interesting. I wonder if I download the books from my mountain 
>> lion machine and transfer them onto my Mavericks machine if they'll work. 
>> All the books that work now on my Mavericks machine were downloaded a couple 
>> years ago off of a snow leopard machine. If my idea doesn't work, I'm 
>> dreading the thought of carrying both machines to school.
>> Anyway, thank you so very much for your lead. I'll test out my idea and let 
>> you know if it works.
>> Kindest regards,
>> Ibraheem
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've had this problem with books I downloaded prior to upgrading to 
>>> Mavericks -- then   reinstalled Mountain Lion and placed my files back on 
>>> my MacBook, all books downloaded prior to the upgrade opened Empty.  Books 
>>> I downloaded after are opening fine. 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
>>> 
 Dear List,
 
 Has anyone encountered problems  when opening the .xml file of a bookshare 
 title in Safari? I've tried with multiple books that I've recently 
 downloaded and end up with a safari page whose content is empty. Older 
 downloads of books  open and can read just fine with VO and Safari. Its 
 all my recent downloads that won't work anymore. 
 
 Any thoughts? I'm using Mavericks.
 
 All best,
 
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Re: batch conversion for AIFF?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

If it's from a format supported by QuickTime, then the avconvert tool should 
help you.  Otherwise, ffmpeg.

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Vo search.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You know the vo + f command.
But how to search next phrase or search backwards?
Thanks.

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installing the newest flash

[Scott Berry]

Hey there,

Are other people having trouble installing Flash?  I need it for a homework 
assignment but can't seem to get it installed.


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using mac keyboard for iOS

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. So I have my mac, with a full-sized USB keyboard from Logitech. 
I want to use it with my iPod, so that I can just keep using the same 
keyboard and everything, and type faster on the iPod. Are there any free 
programs/apps that can do simply that? I don't need anything fansy.

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Re: installing the newest flash

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I appear to already have the newest Flash as when I went to System Prefs in the 
Flash pane and told it to check for updates, it answered that I have the newest 
one already.  I don't recall having any issues doing the install.  What sort of 
problems are you having?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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> assignment but can't seem to get it installed.
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One Day only Mariner software sale in Mac App store 8/7/2014

[Christina C.]

HI all,  Mariner is having a one day sale on their software. I cannot speak for 
their accessibility but it seems that I have heard that Mac Journal and 
MacGourmet are somewhat useable. This would be a purchase at your own risk :) 
as I do not know for sure how or even if the software is VO friendly. Maybe 
some folks on this list could help out with that info. I just wanted to pass 
this along as their software is a bit pricey in my opinion compared to other 
software. The also have paperless, and some author, and screen/play writing 
software. I don't know much about all of their software products. I am going to 
bite the bullet and take a risk with macJournal.

As a side note, I personally chose Paprika over MacGourmet. Paprika is not made 
by Mariner. I used a trial of Mariner's MacGourmet several years ago and found 
it fairly VO friendly but i did not try all aspects and it was a long time ago. 
I personally found Paprika easier to use. That's just me though. :)

Down on this page is a link called "shop now" that should bring up the Mac app 
store with their products. I believe some of the discounts may be up to 50%. I 
am pretty sure the macJournal app is 50% off but I could be wrong.


https://marinersoftware.com/promo/15days/daily-r1.html?utm_source=WhatCounts+Publicaster+Edition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Know+what+day+it+is+July_Aug+2014&utm_content=Click+to+find+out+when.


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Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter: Computers & Accessories

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

I was doing some research this morning about connecting directly to my Comcast 
modem.  It occurred to me, that I can't do this with my Macbook Air.

Is this the cable I'd need?  I'm not sure if my network is gigabit fast, how 
much does this matter?

Thank you,
Traci

http://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-to-Gigabit-Ethernet-Adapter/dp/B008ALA6DW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407438977&sr=8-1&keywords=macbook+air+ethernet+cable
 

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Re: using mac keyboard for iOS

[Piotr Machacz]

The only one I'm aware of is type2phone. It does work, but costs $5 or so.

On 2014-08-07 20:31, Devin Prater wrote:
Hi all. So I have my mac, with a full-sized USB keyboard from 
Logitech. I want to use it with my iPod, so that I can just keep using 
the same keyboard and everything, and type faster on the iPod. Are 
there any free programs/apps that can do simply that? I don't need 
anything fansy.


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Re: Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter: Computers & Accessories

[Kevin Barry]

That  would work. Still, a better idea is to not connect directly to 
a modem no matter what method you employ.
Much better and safer is to have a router connect to the modem and 
you connect to the router.

You can do that either through a cable or over wifi.

At 03:22 PM 8/7/2014, you wrote:

Hi all,

I was doing some research this morning about connecting directly to 
my Comcast modem.  It occurred to me, that I can't do this with my Macbook Air.


Is this the cable I'd need?  I'm not sure if my network is gigabit 
fast, how much does this matter?


Thank you,
Traci

http://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-to-Gigabit-Ethernet-Adapter/dp/B008ALA6DW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407438977&sr=8-1&keywords=macbook+air+ethernet+cable 



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Re: Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter: Computers & Accessories

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yes, that's the adaptor you're looking for.  Simply plug the adaptor into your 
MacBook Air, and an Ethernet cable from the other end of the adaptor to your 
cable modem.  Often, the default settings will just work, using DHCP.

I don't see any problem with connecting directly to the Internet, as long as 
you don't leave any services running for public access that you don't need.  In 
fact, I see only advantages; you'll have a public IP address and many 
applications will perform very well.  However, unless you also turn your 
MacBook Air into a router (which you can do easily in Sharing preferences) you 
will only be able to use your Internet connection for that one MacBook.

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watching u tube videos

[Jean]

Hello:
Every now and then, like right now, I am required to watch a video which is on 
u tube.  I know there are some programs that make u tube more accessible but 
right now I just need to watch the video but I can't find the link that makes 
it play.
Suggestions?
Jean

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Re: watching u tube videos

[Ray Foret Jr]

Double tap on the video title and it should play.
Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

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> Hello:
> Every now and then, like right now, I am required to watch a video which is 
> on u tube.  I know there are some programs that make u tube more accessible 
> but right now I just need to watch the video but I can't find the link that 
> makes it play.
> Suggestions?
> Jean
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Re: watching u tube videos

[Faisal]

Or, you could use an app like mac tube.
On Aug 7, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Double tap on the video title and it should play.
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
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> 
>> Hello:
>> Every now and then, like right now, I am required to watch a video which is 
>> on u tube.  I know there are some programs that make u tube more accessible 
>> but right now I just need to watch the video but I can't find the link that 
>> makes it play.
>> Suggestions?
>> Jean
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Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Barry and Phil,

Thanks both for your help.

Barry, your tip of first VO-spacing on the column reference tab took me further 
than I had gotten before, but still no success. The results were a bit flaky. 
I'm not sure I exactly understood your instructions. After VO-spacing on the 
column reference tab for the column I wanted to move, I pressed mouse down with 
VO-command-shift-space. Sometimes doing this caused the menu to pop up with the 
sort and filter options etcetera. Other times it didn't. But it never said 
anything about moving, and moving to another column and pressing mouse up 
didn't have any effect. Pressing VO-comma would still announce, 'Marked column 
X for drag', or whatever, but when I'd try and drop it would often say the 
marked item is no longer in view, even though I had only tried to move it one 
column over, and other times it would say 'column X inserted', but would 
actually not have moved the column at all.

Phil, the formulas are my own but the column I want to move is in a data table 
and the formulas and functions I have in the summary tables are quite 
complicated, and I don't really want to look through every one to find if any 
use relative references and would break. In any event, I'd like to learn how to 
move columns (as opposed to copying and pasting) to enhance my Numbers toolbox 
and ensure that for this time and for the future I am able to move columns 
without upsetting formulas. Having said that, I appreciate your pragmatic 
suggestions and might ultimately have to resort to that or to asking for 
sighted assistance.

many thanks again and if you have any other help, thoughts or suggestions I'd 
love to hear them.


On 7 Aug 2014, at 11:15 pm, Phil Halton  wrote:

> A simpler method would be to simply copy the column, then insert a new column 
> where you want the data, and then do a paste. Move to the top of the column, 
> then do a shift command down arrow to select the entire column. Then do an 
> option right arrow at the column after which you want the data to appear. Of 
> course, don't forget to copy the selected fcolumns first, then paste into the 
> newly created column. This may still mess up your formulas depending on 
> whether you used  relative or absolute addressing.
> 
> That gets fairly tricky. I don't know if you're writing your own formulas, or 
> if these are someone else's. But, the addressing system they use will 
> determine if the formulas can be moved from one position to another without 
> screwing them up. 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:10 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm trying to work out how to move columns in Numbers without upsetting 
>> formulas etc. Sighted people can just click on the column reference tab and 
>> drag the column left or right to the new location.
>> 
>> I've tried getting into the column reference tab with VO-shift-backslash and 
>> then selecting column reference tab, and then using the VO commands to drag 
>> and drop. However, this never works. It seems more than just the usual 
>> flakiness, it just never seems to have any effect, even though VoiceOver 
>> announces that the column has been inserted.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
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Re: Fillable MS Word files on Mac?

[Nicholas Parsons]

Ahh, Alex, wishful thinking. If only that were the case. I don't think it's 
that good on either platform. Only web forms are that accessible. You could 
quite easily hack something like that together with AppleScript, but the forms 
themselves are, in Pages anyway, just regular old word processing documents 
with blank spaces for you to type your response.

I don't know of anyway to read those help tags. The forms I  use have 
hints/instructions typed into the body of the form, but I don't know exactly 
how these are displayed to sighted users. It might be that they are simply 
typed in as ordinary text, I'm not sure.

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what version of logic pro works with voice over?

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

what version of logic pro works with voice over?
Hank

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Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

[Barry Hadder]

Hello Nicholas.

After you selected the tab with vo-space, did you route the mouse to vo with 
vo-command-f5?  You want to do that before you lock the mouse.  That is the 
only reason I can come up with as to why the menu was activated.
You might try hiding any other open windows with command-option-h before 
routing the mouse in case something is interfering with it.
After you lock the mouse, you move vo to the tab that you want to move the 
column to and release it.  Let me know if I need to explain something further.  
I've tried this many times and never had it fail.  It only takes seconds.
Hope this helps.


On Aug 7, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

Hi Barry and Phil,

Thanks both for your help.

Barry, your tip of first VO-spacing on the column reference tab took me further 
than I had gotten before, but still no success. The results were a bit flaky. 
I'm not sure I exactly understood your instructions. After VO-spacing on the 
column reference tab for the column I wanted to move, I pressed mouse down with 
VO-command-shift-space. Sometimes doing this caused the menu to pop up with the 
sort and filter options etcetera. Other times it didn't. But it never said 
anything about moving, and moving to another column and pressing mouse up 
didn't have any effect. Pressing VO-comma would still announce, 'Marked column 
X for drag', or whatever, but when I'd try and drop it would often say the 
marked item is no longer in view, even though I had only tried to move it one 
column over, and other times it would say 'column X inserted', but would 
actually not have moved the column at all.

Phil, the formulas are my own but the column I want to move is in a data table 
and the formulas and functions I have in the summary tables are quite 
complicated, and I don't really want to look through every one to find if any 
use relative references and would break. In any event, I'd like to learn how to 
move columns (as opposed to copying and pasting) to enhance my Numbers toolbox 
and ensure that for this time and for the future I am able to move columns 
without upsetting formulas. Having said that, I appreciate your pragmatic 
suggestions and might ultimately have to resort to that or to asking for 
sighted assistance.

many thanks again and if you have any other help, thoughts or suggestions I'd 
love to hear them.


On 7 Aug 2014, at 11:15 pm, Phil Halton  wrote:

> A simpler method would be to simply copy the column, then insert a new column 
> where you want the data, and then do a paste. Move to the top of the column, 
> then do a shift command down arrow to select the entire column. Then do an 
> option right arrow at the column after which you want the data to appear. Of 
> course, don't forget to copy the selected fcolumns first, then paste into the 
> newly created column. This may still mess up your formulas depending on 
> whether you used  relative or absolute addressing.
> 
> That gets fairly tricky. I don't know if you're writing your own formulas, or 
> if these are someone else's. But, the addressing system they use will 
> determine if the formulas can be moved from one position to another without 
> screwing them up. 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:10 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm trying to work out how to move columns in Numbers without upsetting 
>> formulas etc. Sighted people can just click on the column reference tab and 
>> drag the column left or right to the new location.
>> 
>> I've tried getting into the column reference tab with VO-shift-backslash and 
>> then selecting column reference tab, and then using the VO commands to drag 
>> and drop. However, this never works. It seems more than just the usual 
>> flakiness, it just never seems to have any effect, even though VoiceOver 
>> announces that the column has been inserted.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
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Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Barry,

In that case I did understand you correctly. Yes, I routed the mouse to the VO 
cursor with VO-command-F5 before pressing mouse down (even though this is often 
not necessary when I have the mouse pointer to always follow the VO cursor). I 
also tried bringing the active window to front with VO-shift-F2, hiding other 
applications with command-option-h, and making Numbers full screen. Some of the 
times when I would try and see what was under the mouse pointer with VO-F5, I 
would just get a funk sound telling me there was some problem. However, other 
times it would announce the header of the column but the moving process still 
didn't work. I did notice, however, that when I would check what was under the 
mouse pointer it would tell me the header name, not the letter of the column. 
Not sure if this has something to do with the problem.


On 8 Aug 2014, at 2:04 pm, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> Hello Nicholas.
> 
> After you selected the tab with vo-space, did you route the mouse to vo with 
> vo-command-f5?  You want to do that before you lock the mouse.  That is the 
> only reason I can come up with as to why the menu was activated.
> You might try hiding any other open windows with command-option-h before 
> routing the mouse in case something is interfering with it.
> After you lock the mouse, you move vo to the tab that you want to move the 
> column to and release it.  Let me know if I need to explain something 
> further.  I've tried this many times and never had it fail.  It only takes 
> seconds.
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> On Aug 7, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Barry and Phil,
> 
> Thanks both for your help.
> 
> Barry, your tip of first VO-spacing on the column reference tab took me 
> further than I had gotten before, but still no success. The results were a 
> bit flaky. I'm not sure I exactly understood your instructions. After 
> VO-spacing on the column reference tab for the column I wanted to move, I 
> pressed mouse down with VO-command-shift-space. Sometimes doing this caused 
> the menu to pop up with the sort and filter options etcetera. Other times it 
> didn't. But it never said anything about moving, and moving to another column 
> and pressing mouse up didn't have any effect. Pressing VO-comma would still 
> announce, 'Marked column X for drag', or whatever, but when I'd try and drop 
> it would often say the marked item is no longer in view, even though I had 
> only tried to move it one column over, and other times it would say 'column X 
> inserted', but would actually not have moved the column at all.
> 
> Phil, the formulas are my own but the column I want to move is in a data 
> table and the formulas and functions I have in the summary tables are quite 
> complicated, and I don't really want to look through every one to find if any 
> use relative references and would break. In any event, I'd like to learn how 
> to move columns (as opposed to copying and pasting) to enhance my Numbers 
> toolbox and ensure that for this time and for the future I am able to move 
> columns without upsetting formulas. Having said that, I appreciate your 
> pragmatic suggestions and might ultimately have to resort to that or to 
> asking for sighted assistance.
> 
> many thanks again and if you have any other help, thoughts or suggestions I'd 
> love to hear them.
> 
> 
> On 7 Aug 2014, at 11:15 pm, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> A simpler method would be to simply copy the column, then insert a new 
>> column where you want the data, and then do a paste. Move to the top of the 
>> column, then do a shift command down arrow to select the entire column. Then 
>> do an option right arrow at the column after which you want the data to 
>> appear. Of course, don't forget to copy the selected fcolumns first, then 
>> paste into the newly created column. This may still mess up your formulas 
>> depending on whether you used  relative or absolute addressing.
>> 
>> That gets fairly tricky. I don't know if you're writing your own formulas, 
>> or if these are someone else's. But, the addressing system they use will 
>> determine if the formulas can be moved from one position to another without 
>> screwing them up. 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:10 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to work out how to move columns in Numbers without upsetting 
>>> formulas etc. Sighted people can just click on the column reference tab and 
>>> drag the column left or right to the new location.
>>> 
>>> I've tried getting into the column reference tab with VO-shift-backslash 
>>> and then selecting column reference tab, and then using the VO commands to 
>>> drag and drop. However, this never works. It seems more than just the usual 
>>> flakiness, it just never seems to have any effect, even though VoiceOver 
>>> announces that the column has been inserted.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
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Re: Fillable MS Word files on Mac?

[Alex Hall]

That's too bad, it'd be nice if forms showed up as, well, forms. Still, I think 
I have the hang of this now; you write in the same cell as the prompt, not the 
ones after it, apparently. That seems odd, yet also makes things easier. I only 
determined this after looking at a copy of the same form once I had gotten 
sighted help filling it out in MS Word.
On Aug 7, 2014, at 11:49 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Ahh, Alex, wishful thinking. If only that were the case. I don't think it's 
> that good on either platform. Only web forms are that accessible. You could 
> quite easily hack something like that together with AppleScript, but the 
> forms themselves are, in Pages anyway, just regular old word processing 
> documents with blank spaces for you to type your response.
> 
> I don't know of anyway to read those help tags. The forms I  use have 
> hints/instructions typed into the body of the form, but I don't know exactly 
> how these are displayed to sighted users. It might be that they are simply 
> typed in as ordinary text, I'm not sure.
> 
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Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

[Barry Hadder]

Well, unfortunately it sounds to me like you are doing everything right.  I've 
noticed the funk sound myself and it doesn't seem to matter.  I've tried it 
myself in full screen and regular and both with mouse following vo and not but 
all with the same results.  I just can't make it fail.

If you git a menu when you lock the mouse, it means that it isn't in the right 
place.  So it sounds to me as it the mouse isn't moving to vo as it should.  I 
recommend going in to voiceover utility/visuals and make sure that if show 
voiceover cursor is checked that the magnification is set to 1.  I've noticed 
that if it is set higher, then many times the mouse wont route to vo correctly. 
 If that doesn't help than you might need to move the window around.
The only time I get the menu that you mentioned is when I control click in a 
table cell.  But it sounds to me like you are in the reference tabs as you 
should be.


On Aug 7, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

Hi Barry,

In that case I did understand you correctly. Yes, I routed the mouse to the VO 
cursor with VO-command-F5 before pressing mouse down (even though this is often 
not necessary when I have the mouse pointer to always follow the VO cursor). I 
also tried bringing the active window to front with VO-shift-F2, hiding other 
applications with command-option-h, and making Numbers full screen. Some of the 
times when I would try and see what was under the mouse pointer with VO-F5, I 
would just get a funk sound telling me there was some problem. However, other 
times it would announce the header of the column but the moving process still 
didn't work. I did notice, however, that when I would check what was under the 
mouse pointer it would tell me the header name, not the letter of the column. 
Not sure if this has something to do with the problem.


On 8 Aug 2014, at 2:04 pm, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> Hello Nicholas.
> 
> After you selected the tab with vo-space, did you route the mouse to vo with 
> vo-command-f5?  You want to do that before you lock the mouse.  That is the 
> only reason I can come up with as to why the menu was activated.
> You might try hiding any other open windows with command-option-h before 
> routing the mouse in case something is interfering with it.
> After you lock the mouse, you move vo to the tab that you want to move the 
> column to and release it.  Let me know if I need to explain something 
> further.  I've tried this many times and never had it fail.  It only takes 
> seconds.
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> On Aug 7, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Barry and Phil,
> 
> Thanks both for your help.
> 
> Barry, your tip of first VO-spacing on the column reference tab took me 
> further than I had gotten before, but still no success. The results were a 
> bit flaky. I'm not sure I exactly understood your instructions. After 
> VO-spacing on the column reference tab for the column I wanted to move, I 
> pressed mouse down with VO-command-shift-space. Sometimes doing this caused 
> the menu to pop up with the sort and filter options etcetera. Other times it 
> didn't. But it never said anything about moving, and moving to another column 
> and pressing mouse up didn't have any effect. Pressing VO-comma would still 
> announce, 'Marked column X for drag', or whatever, but when I'd try and drop 
> it would often say the marked item is no longer in view, even though I had 
> only tried to move it one column over, and other times it would say 'column X 
> inserted', but would actually not have moved the column at all.
> 
> Phil, the formulas are my own but the column I want to move is in a data 
> table and the formulas and functions I have in the summary tables are quite 
> complicated, and I don't really want to look through every one to find if any 
> use relative references and would break. In any event, I'd like to learn how 
> to move columns (as opposed to copying and pasting) to enhance my Numbers 
> toolbox and ensure that for this time and for the future I am able to move 
> columns without upsetting formulas. Having said that, I appreciate your 
> pragmatic suggestions and might ultimately have to resort to that or to 
> asking for sighted assistance.
> 
> many thanks again and if you have any other help, thoughts or suggestions I'd 
> love to hear them.
> 
> 
> On 7 Aug 2014, at 11:15 pm, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> A simpler method would be to simply copy the column, then insert a new 
>> column where you want the data, and then do a paste. Move to the top of the 
>> column, then do a shift command down arrow to select the entire column. Then 
>> do an option right arrow at the column after which you want the data to 
>> appear. Of course, don't forget to copy the selected fcolumns first, then 
>> paste into the newly created column. This may still mess up your formulas 
>> depending on whether you used  relative or absolute addressing.
>> 
>> That gets fairly tricky. I don't know if you'r

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

[Nicholas Parsons]

After checking VO Utility turns out I didn't have the mouse pointer following 
the VO cursor. I changed this so now it is. I checked and the magnification was 
set to 1.

I tried again but still got the same result with the mouse down opening the 
menu.

When you bring the mouse pointer to the column reference tab, what does 
VoiceOver tell you is under the mouse pointer? For me it gives the text in cell 
1 of the relevant column.

Perhaps I just have a dud version. :) Might have to get a sighted person to 
take a look at what the mouse is doing.

For reference, I'm running Numbers version 3.2 (1861).


On 8 Aug 2014, at 3:33 pm, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> Well, unfortunately it sounds to me like you are doing everything right.  
> I've noticed the funk sound myself and it doesn't seem to matter.  I've tried 
> it myself in full screen and regular and both with mouse following vo and not 
> but all with the same results.  I just can't make it fail.
> 
> If you git a menu when you lock the mouse, it means that it isn't in the 
> right place.  So it sounds to me as it the mouse isn't moving to vo as it 
> should.  I recommend going in to voiceover utility/visuals and make sure that 
> if show voiceover cursor is checked that the magnification is set to 1.  I've 
> noticed that if it is set higher, then many times the mouse wont route to vo 
> correctly.  If that doesn't help than you might need to move the window 
> around.
> The only time I get the menu that you mentioned is when I control click in a 
> table cell.  But it sounds to me like you are in the reference tabs as you 
> should be.
> 
> 
> On Aug 7, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Barry,
> 
> In that case I did understand you correctly. Yes, I routed the mouse to the 
> VO cursor with VO-command-F5 before pressing mouse down (even though this is 
> often not necessary when I have the mouse pointer to always follow the VO 
> cursor). I also tried bringing the active window to front with VO-shift-F2, 
> hiding other applications with command-option-h, and making Numbers full 
> screen. Some of the times when I would try and see what was under the mouse 
> pointer with VO-F5, I would just get a funk sound telling me there was some 
> problem. However, other times it would announce the header of the column but 
> the moving process still didn't work. I did notice, however, that when I 
> would check what was under the mouse pointer it would tell me the header 
> name, not the letter of the column. Not sure if this has something to do with 
> the problem.
> 
> 
> On 8 Aug 2014, at 2:04 pm, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Nicholas.
>> 
>> After you selected the tab with vo-space, did you route the mouse to vo with 
>> vo-command-f5?  You want to do that before you lock the mouse.  That is the 
>> only reason I can come up with as to why the menu was activated.
>> You might try hiding any other open windows with command-option-h before 
>> routing the mouse in case something is interfering with it.
>> After you lock the mouse, you move vo to the tab that you want to move the 
>> column to and release it.  Let me know if I need to explain something 
>> further.  I've tried this many times and never had it fail.  It only takes 
>> seconds.
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Barry and Phil,
>> 
>> Thanks both for your help.
>> 
>> Barry, your tip of first VO-spacing on the column reference tab took me 
>> further than I had gotten before, but still no success. The results were a 
>> bit flaky. I'm not sure I exactly understood your instructions. After 
>> VO-spacing on the column reference tab for the column I wanted to move, I 
>> pressed mouse down with VO-command-shift-space. Sometimes doing this caused 
>> the menu to pop up with the sort and filter options etcetera. Other times it 
>> didn't. But it never said anything about moving, and moving to another 
>> column and pressing mouse up didn't have any effect. Pressing VO-comma would 
>> still announce, 'Marked column X for drag', or whatever, but when I'd try 
>> and drop it would often say the marked item is no longer in view, even 
>> though I had only tried to move it one column over, and other times it would 
>> say 'column X inserted', but would actually not have moved the column at all.
>> 
>> Phil, the formulas are my own but the column I want to move is in a data 
>> table and the formulas and functions I have in the summary tables are quite 
>> complicated, and I don't really want to look through every one to find if 
>> any use relative references and would break. In any event, I'd like to learn 
>> how to move columns (as opposed to copying and pasting) to enhance my 
>> Numbers toolbox and ensure that for this time and for the future I am able 
>> to move columns without upsetting formulas. Having said that, I appreciate 
>> your pragmatic suggestions and might ultimately have to resort to that or to 
>> as

Re: Fillable MS Word files on Mac?

[Nicholas Parsons]

Funny, I type my responses in the column to the right of the column with the 
prompt, and so do other people I've seen use this form. Perhaps each form is a 
little different.

On 8 Aug 2014, at 3:17 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:

> That's too bad, it'd be nice if forms showed up as, well, forms. Still, I 
> think I have the hang of this now; you write in the same cell as the prompt, 
> not the ones after it, apparently. That seems odd, yet also makes things 
> easier. I only determined this after looking at a copy of the same form once 
> I had gotten sighted help filling it out in MS Word.
> On Aug 7, 2014, at 11:49 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> Ahh, Alex, wishful thinking. If only that were the case. I don't think it's 
>> that good on either platform. Only web forms are that accessible. You could 
>> quite easily hack something like that together with AppleScript, but the 
>> forms themselves are, in Pages anyway, just regular old word processing 
>> documents with blank spaces for you to type your response.
>> 
>> I don't know of anyway to read those help tags. The forms I  use have 
>> hints/instructions typed into the body of the form, but I don't know exactly 
>> how these are displayed to sighted users. It might be that they are simply 
>> typed in as ordinary text, I'm not sure.
>> 
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