Screen Casts in Quicktime?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all
I reported a bug in an Apple beta the other day, and an engineer has asked me 
to record a screen cast of what I'm doing when the bug happens. I have never 
done this before, but the note the engineer sent said to use Quicktime. Since 
the extent of what I can see on the screen is if it's on or off, what tips do 
people have for this? I haven't tried it yet, and plan to do so later today, 
but if anyone has suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks!
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continuing with attachment weirdness

[Donna Goodin]

Good morning, all,

So, continuing with the attachment weirdness, this morning I wanted to open a 
later version of the same PDF document.  Everything worked as expected.  I was 
able to view it in Quicklook, and then save it.  Very strange.
Cheers,
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Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi there, This topic has probably been covered before, but at that time i 
didn’t look closely so therefor i ask again: In Mavericks in standard view i’m 
trying to reply to the sender of a mail and not to the entire mailinglist but i 
can’t find a way to just reply to the sender. Has this feature been taken away 
or is there something i have missed?
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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[isaac . hebert]

If you are using the mail app for mavericks then use command r to reply to 
sender and command shift r to r to do a reply all.

On Jul 24, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi there, This topic has probably been covered before, but at that time i 
> didn't look closely so therefor i ask again: In Mavericks in standard view 
> i'm trying to reply to the sender of a mail and not to the entire mailinglist 
> but i can't find a way to just reply to the sender. Has this feature been 
> taken away or is there something i have missed?
> /Krister
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Re: Screen Casts in Quicktime?

[Tyler Thompson]

Just do a full-screen recording by pressing Control N. That'll be the simplest 
way to do it without seeing the screen. It's actually pretty good for screen 
capturing. 
On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all
> I reported a bug in an Apple beta the other day, and an engineer has asked me 
> to record a screen cast of what I'm doing when the bug happens. I have never 
> done this before, but the note the engineer sent said to use Quicktime. Since 
> the extent of what I can see on the screen is if it's on or off, what tips do 
> people have for this? I haven't tried it yet, and plan to do so later today, 
> but if anyone has suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks!
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> Alex Hall
> mehg...@icloud.com
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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
Thing is though, that cmd+R replies to the list rather than replying to the one 
who sent the mail to the list, if that makes sense.
/Krister

> 24 jul 2014 kl. 14:57 skrev isaac.heb...@gmail.com:
> 
> If you are using the mail app for mavericks then use command r to reply to 
> sender and command shift r to r to do a reply all.
> 
> On Jul 24, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi there, This topic has probably been covered before, but at that time i 
>> didn't look closely so therefor i ask again: In Mavericks in standard view 
>> i'm trying to reply to the sender of a mail and not to the entire 
>> mailinglist but i can't find a way to just reply to the sender. Has this 
>> feature been taken away or is there something i have missed?
>> /Krister
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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[The Believer]

   Could be the email list or group has adopted a new poilcy where such 
lists or groups and providers as well now put the email list or group 
address in the From field. This creates problems such as yours.


   This policy is from DMARC and Yahoo was anong the first to adopt 
this poilicy. Supposedly it is to control spam. Google DMARC.


   I have not found a way around this. Be a good time to create a 
signature file and put one's email address in it.


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On 7/24/2014 6:30 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
Thing is though, that cmd+R replies to the list rather than replying to the one 
who sent the mail to the list, if that makes sense.
/Krister


24 jul 2014 kl. 14:57 skrev isaac.heb...@gmail.com:

If you are using the mail app for mavericks then use command r to reply to 
sender and command shift r to r to do a reply all.

On Jul 24, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:


Hi there, This topic has probably been covered before, but at that time i 
didn't look closely so therefor i ask again: In Mavericks in standard view i'm 
trying to reply to the sender of a mail and not to the entire mailinglist but i 
can't find a way to just reply to the sender. Has this feature been taken away 
or is there something i have missed?
/Krister

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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

No, this isn't DMARC; Google Groups only mangles the From field when it needs 
to do so for DMARC purposes.

The problem lies with the regrettable (but very common) practice of lists 
munging the Reply-To field so that the list address is listed, thus directing 
replies back to the list.  Mail.app for some reason removed explicit support 
for replying to the Sender, so you will have to burrow in the headers, find the 
From line, copy the address from the menu (click the author's name), and 
manually send mail to the recipient.  Sorry about that.

Because so many lists do this by default, I now hit Reply-All instinctively, 
because Reply alone is almost always completely useless.  Simply get into the 
habit of checking the composer window before you hit send.

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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[The Believer]

   Perhaps so but most email lists are set to Reply to Sender which is 
the list the email came from. And prior to DMARC, it was nearly always 
possible simply to retrieve the real sender''s address out of the From 
field.


   I do think this DMARC thing has mangled the Reply To field.

   Googlegroups has apparently not gone down this road yet. But 
Yahoogroups and freelists have.


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On 7/24/2014 8:35 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

No, this isn't DMARC; Google Groups only mangles the From field when it needs 
to do so for DMARC purposes.

The problem lies with the regrettable (but very common) practice of lists 
munging the Reply-To field so that the list address is listed, thus directing 
replies back to the list.  Mail.app for some reason removed explicit support 
for replying to the Sender, so you will have to burrow in the headers, find the 
From line, copy the address from the menu (click the author's name), and 
manually send mail to the recipient.  Sorry about that.

Because so many lists do this by default, I now hit Reply-All instinctively, 
because Reply alone is almost always completely useless.  Simply get into the 
habit of checking the composer window before you hit send.



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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Google only replaces the From when necessary for DMARC.  If a Yahoo user were 
to post to this list, you would see the message as coming from them via the 
list (it would say so in the sender's name) and the address in the From field 
would be that of the group.  I don't know for certain whether GG also destroys 
the sender's address in other header fields--I never checked that--but for 
Mailman lists with the DMARC patch, Mailman drops a copy of the poster's 
address in the Reply-To field, so you can still extract and use it.  In spite 
of this, Apple dropped the prompt asking whether or not you wanted to use the 
sender address when it detected that the reply address was likely to be a list 
posting address; I have no idea why.

As to DMARC in general, well, to be honest I'm a resigned supporter.  The fact 
is that unlike the web, email has no definite, identifiable, user-visible 
author address.  Yes, DMARC messes up mailing lists and spam (and the people 
who claim to save us from it) have won again, but we could live with the 
changes if we all made the best of it.

Cheers,
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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[The Believer]

   The implementation of the DMARC policy change is not consistent, 
which makes being subscribers of the various email lists not so fun any 
more.


   I am not yet using the mail app but am hopeful by the time I start 
using it, it will be working right.


   In the meantime, since the bad guys have won again, the best thing 
we can do is create that signature.


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On 7/24/2014 11:06 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Google only replaces the From when necessary for DMARC.  If a Yahoo user were 
to post to this list, you would see the message as coming from them via the 
list (it would say so in the sender's name) and the address in the From field 
would be that of the group.  I don't know for certain whether GG also destroys 
the sender's address in other header fields--I never checked that--but for 
Mailman lists with the DMARC patch, Mailman drops a copy of the poster's 
address in the Reply-To field, so you can still extract and use it.  In spite 
of this, Apple dropped the prompt asking whether or not you wanted to use the 
sender address when it detected that the reply address was likely to be a list 
posting address; I have no idea why.

As to DMARC in general, well, to be honest I'm a resigned supporter.  The fact 
is that unlike the web, email has no definite, identifiable, user-visible 
author address.  Yes, DMARC messes up mailing lists and spam (and the people 
who claim to save us from it) have won again, but we could live with the 
changes if we all made the best of it.

Cheers,
Sabahattin



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yosemite public beta

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os 
yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?

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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I agree; it's even less fun for list admins and postmasters who now have to 
patch stuff up for no conceivable reason just to keep the messages flowing, 
trust me.  The world would be a better place without either Yahoo or AOL, and 
if we could just stop them from posting, our problems would be solved. :)

There is work being done in the relevant groups (and by "Work", I mean catering 
to the damage, because the big guys have already made up their minds) to make 
the behaviour consistent.  The best fix I saw was in LISTSERV(R), which creates 
a per-subscriber alias so behaviour continues to be exactly as it always was.  
Sadly, LISTSERV(R) costs $10,000 plus annual subscription just for the 
"Classic" (i.e. not crippled) version, and I ain't got that kinda money.

If/when you switch to Mail.app, the critical thing is to check all the fields 
before you send.  Each name is an embedded object that reveals the address when 
you click on it, and it can be copied from one field to another.  So regardless 
of the behaviour, you can get replies sent where you need them to go, even if 
it's not the easiest thing in the world to do.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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RE: yosemite public beta

[Tristan Bussiere]

Hi,
You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
Things to note:
Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
here:
http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
achine/

HTH

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Subject: yosemite public beta

Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?

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Re: yosemite public beta

[Alex Hall]

Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat some 
point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has started. 
I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com has been down when 
I try to access it.
On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:

> Hi,
> You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
> https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
> You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
> Things to note:
> Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
> the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
> If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
> presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
> here:
> http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
> achine/
> 
> HTH
> 
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> Herrera
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> Subject: yosemite public beta
> 
>   Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
> yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?
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Re: yosemite public beta

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi i wonder if it will be possible to make a clean install using the Yosemite 
public beta.
/Krister

> 24 jul 2014 kl. 21:48 skrev Alex Hall :
> 
> Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat 
> some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has 
> started. I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com has 
> been down when I try to access it.
> On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
>> https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
>> You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
>> Things to note:
>> Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
>> the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
>> If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
>> presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
>> here:
>> http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
>> achine/
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas
>> Herrera
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: yosemite public beta
>> 
>>  Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
>> yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?
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RE: yosemite public beta

[Tristan Bussiere]

Hi Alex,

 

I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not receive
the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into
Appleseed, which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the
app store.

It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is
occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people
who didn't even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while
people that applied before them are getting "reached capacity" or "Code
already used" errors in the app store.

 

One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss
it openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as if
we were running developer copies?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: yosemite public beta

 

Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat
some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has
started. I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com
  has been down when I try to access it.

On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere mailto:tbussi...@icloud.com> > wrote:





Hi,
You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
Things to note:
Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
here:
http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
achine/

HTH

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Subject: yosemite public beta

Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?

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Re: yosemite public beta

[Alex Hall]

Indeed, I was able to download as well; for the moment, the site seems to be 
working.

Yes,you are covered by the NDA, which should have appeared when you first 
signed up for the program. You can discuss only features that were already 
discussed at WWDC, but nothing else. So, new features, bugs, annoyances, 
anything you run into while testing are to be kept silent, unless you can find 
a WWDC video demonstrating the exact thing you want to talk about. Obviously, 
bugs and other feedback are fine to share with Apple, through the Feedback app 
installed with the beta. For public forums, though, it's safer to just not say 
anything at all, I figure.

As to the clean install question, this installer will act like any OS X 
installer. You can toss it on a thumb drive, put it on a new partition, all 
that. It is a beta, but the underlying install process is the same as 
Mavericks, as I expect any OS X install will be for the near future.
On Jul 24, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>  
> I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not receive 
> the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into 
> Appleseed, which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the 
> app store.
> It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is 
> occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people 
> who didn't even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while 
> people that applied before them are getting "reached capacity" or "Code 
> already used" errors in the app store.
>  
> One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss it 
> openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as if we 
> were running developer copies?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: yosemite public beta
>  
> Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat 
> some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has 
> started. I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com has 
> been down when I try to access it.
> On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
> https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
> You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
> Things to note:
> Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
> the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
> If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
> presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
> here:
> http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
> achine/
> 
> HTH
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas
> Herrera
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: yosemite public beta
> 
> Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
> yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?
> 
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Re: yosemite public beta

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
i'm making a Second partition before installing the beta. am i able to access 
apps that are still on mavrics?
thanks

Michael
On 25 Jul 2014, at 6:00 am, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>  
> I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not receive 
> the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into 
> Appleseed, which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the 
> app store.
> It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is 
> occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people 
> who didn't even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while 
> people that applied before them are getting "reached capacity" or "Code 
> already used" errors in the app store.
>  
> One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss it 
> openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as if we 
> were running developer copies?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: yosemite public beta
>  
> Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat 
> some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has 
> started. I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com has 
> been down when I try to access it.
> On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
> https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
> You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
> Things to note:
> Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
> the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
> If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
> presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
> here:
> http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
> achine/
> 
> HTH
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas
> Herrera
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: yosemite public beta
> 
> Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
> yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?
> 
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Re: yosemite public beta

[Alex Hall]

No. As with any OS install, once you boot into the OS of your choice, you can't 
do anything with apps or services on another OS, because that second one is not 
booted. You may be able to access files, depending on your permissions, but you 
cannot actually run apps. You will instead need to re-download any apps you 
want to test, but keep in mind that not all apps will work with Yosemite yet as 
it is, after all, still a beta.
On Jul 24, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> hey,
> i'm making a Second partition before installing the beta. am i able to access 
> apps that are still on mavrics?
> thanks
> 
> Michael
> On 25 Jul 2014, at 6:00 am, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>>  
>> I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not receive 
>> the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into 
>> Appleseed, which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the 
>> app store.
>> It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is 
>> occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people 
>> who didn't even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while 
>> people that applied before them are getting "reached capacity" or "Code 
>> already used" errors in the app store.
>>  
>> One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss 
>> it openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as if 
>> we were running developer copies?
>>  
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: yosemite public beta
>>  
>> Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat 
>> some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has 
>> started. I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com has 
>> been down when I try to access it.
>> On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
>> https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
>> You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
>> Things to note:
>> Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
>> the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
>> If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
>> presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
>> here:
>> http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
>> achine/
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas
>> Herrera
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: yosemite public beta
>> 
>> Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
>> yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?
>> 
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Re: yosemite public beta

[David Tanner]

Where can one sign up for the beta? 




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> On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey,
> i’m making a Second partition before installing the beta. am i able to access 
> apps that are still on mavrics?
> thanks
> 
> Michael
>> On 25 Jul 2014, at 6:00 am, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alex,
>>  
>> I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not receive 
>> the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into 
>> Appleseed, which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the 
>> app store.
>> It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is 
>> occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people 
>> who didn’t even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while 
>> people that applied before them are getting “reached capacity” or “Code 
>> already used” errors in the app store.
>>  
>> One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss 
>> it openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as if 
>> we were running developer copies?
>>  
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: yosemite public beta
>>  
>> Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat 
>> some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has 
>> started. I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com has 
>> been down when I try to access it.
>> On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
>> https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
>> You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
>> Things to note:
>> Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
>> the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
>> If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
>> presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
>> here:
>> http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
>> achine/
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas
>> Herrera
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: yosemite public beta
>> 
>> Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
>> yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?
>> 
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Re: yosemite public beta

[Christopher Hallsworth]

I'm not sure if you can now but try
http://appleseed.apple.com


On 24/07/2014 21:36, David Tanner wrote:

Where can one sign up for the beta?




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On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

hey,
i’m making a Second partition before installing the beta. am i able to access 
apps that are still on mavrics?
thanks

Michael

On 25 Jul 2014, at 6:00 am, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:

Hi Alex,

I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not receive 
the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into Appleseed, 
which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the app store.
It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is 
occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people who 
didn’t even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while people that 
applied before them are getting “reached capacity” or “Code already used” 
errors in the app store.

One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss it 
openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as if we 
were running developer copies?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: yosemite public beta

Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat some 
point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has started. 
I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com has been down when 
I try to access it.
On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:


Hi,
You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
Things to note:
Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
here:
http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
achine/

HTH

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas
Herrera
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: yosemite public beta

 Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?

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Re: yosemite public beta

[Michael Marshall]

cool, thanks for the info.
On 25 Jul 2014, at 6:35 am, Alex Hall  wrote:

> No. As with any OS install, once you boot into the OS of your choice, you 
> can't do anything with apps or services on another OS, because that second 
> one is not booted. You may be able to access files, depending on your 
> permissions, but you cannot actually run apps. You will instead need to 
> re-download any apps you want to test, but keep in mind that not all apps 
> will work with Yosemite yet as it is, after all, still a beta.
> On Jul 24, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
>> hey,
>> i'm making a Second partition before installing the beta. am i able to 
>> access apps that are still on mavrics?
>> thanks
>> 
>> Michael
>> On 25 Jul 2014, at 6:00 am, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>  
>>> I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not 
>>> receive the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into 
>>> Appleseed, which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the 
>>> app store.
>>> It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is 
>>> occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people 
>>> who didn't even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while 
>>> people that applied before them are getting "reached capacity" or "Code 
>>> already used" errors in the app store.
>>>  
>>> One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss 
>>> it openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as 
>>> if we were running developer copies?
>>>  
>>> From: 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: yosemite public beta
>>>  
>>> Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat 
>>> some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has 
>>> started. I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com has 
>>> been down when I try to access it.
>>> On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
>>> https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
>>> You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
>>> Things to note:
>>> Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
>>> the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
>>> If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
>>> presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
>>> here:
>>> http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
>>> achine/
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas
>>> Herrera
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:30 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: yosemite public beta
>>> 
>>> Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
>>> yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?
>>> 
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Re: yosemite public beta

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
can not work out this partition page in disc utility.
i can not seem to change the sise when making a new petition it's always dimmed.
could i plese get a guide on making a partition with VO?
On 25 Jul 2014, at 6:00 am, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>  
> I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not receive 
> the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into 
> Appleseed, which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the 
> app store.
> It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is 
> occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people 
> who didn't even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while 
> people that applied before them are getting "reached capacity" or "Code 
> already used" errors in the app store.
>  
> One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss it 
> openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as if we 
> were running developer copies?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: yosemite public beta
>  
> Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat 
> some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has 
> started. I say this because, for most of the day, appleseed.apple.com has 
> been down when I try to access it.
> On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
> https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
> You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
> Things to note:
> Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
> the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
> If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
> presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
> here:
> http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
> achine/
> 
> HTH
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas
> Herrera
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: yosemite public beta
> 
> Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
> yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?
> 
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Voiceover crashes on some web pages.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Today i was browsing a discussion on a swedish discussion forum and suddenly 
voiceover went silent and then it started again.
This happend no matter how much i was trying so i turned to google chrome.
THe same thing happend there except that i got my welcomfrace which i've set up 
for voiceover.
Has anyone had this behaviour?
/A

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Re: Voiceover crashes on some web pages.

[Devin Prater]

For me, it happens when voiceover comes across elements that it, for some 
reason, doesn't like. This is one of a few rare, but real, bugs in vo's webkit 
rendering. 
Devin Prater
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On Jul 24, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

> Hi!
> Today i was browsing a discussion on a swedish discussion forum and suddenly 
> voiceover went silent and then it started again.
> This happend no matter how much i was trying so i turned to google chrome.
> THe same thing happend there except that i got my welcomfrace which i've set 
> up for voiceover.
> Has anyone had this behaviour?
> /A
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RE: yosemite public beta

[Tristan Bussiere]

Hey,

Just got the OS X Appleseed e-mail, so I guess they've just been running
late; by this point I'm already running Yosemite.

 

Regards,

Tristan

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: yosemite public beta

 

hey,

can not work out this partition page in disc utility.

i can not seem to change the sise when making a new petition it's always
dimmed.

could i plese get a guide on making a partition with VO?

On 25 Jul 2014, at 6:00 am, Tristan Bussiere mailto:tbussi...@icloud.com> > wrote:





Hi Alex,

 

I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not receive
the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into
Appleseed, which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the
app store.

It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is
occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people
who didn't even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while
people that applied before them are getting "reached capacity" or "Code
already used" errors in the app store.

 

One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss
it openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as if
we were running developer copies?

 

From:  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
To:  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: yosemite public beta

 

Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat
some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has
started. I say this because, for most of the day,
 appleseed.apple.com has been down when I try
to access it.

On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Tristan Bussiere <
 tbussi...@icloud.com> wrote:






Hi,
You can get the OS X Yosemite public beta at
  https://appleseed.apple.com/sp
You must sign in, then click "Get Yosemite" on the top of the page.
Things to note:
Only one million people will be able to test. If you did not sign up after
the keynote, you will most likely not be able to get the beta.
If you are not ready to deal with the bugs and inconsistencies that Yosemite
presence in your daily workflow, partition your drive. A guide for that is
here:
 

http://www.cultofmac.com/282347/install-yosemite-beta-without-ruining-main-m
achine/

HTH

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Herrera
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To:  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: yosemite public beta

Have anyone already tried to install the public beta of the os
yosemite? how can i download the installer for the public beta?

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turnig Voiceover on on the Apple Tv

[Scott Berry]

Hello there,

Is there a shortcut to turn on Voiceover on the Apple tv?


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Re: turnig Voiceover on on the Apple Tv

[Charlie Doremus]

If VoiceOver becomes disabled on your Apple TV, you can use these steps to 
enable VoiceOver again.
Press and hold the Menu button for five (5) seconds. This will return you to 
the main menu screen of the Apple TV.
Press the Down button one time. This ensures that you are at the top-level of 
the menu.
Press the Right button until you hear a Stop or "Bonk" sound; you are on the 
Settings menu.
Press the Up button until you hear the Stop sound indicating you are at the 
first menu item; this is the General menu.
Press the Select button.
Press the Down until you hear the Stop sound.
Press the Up button two times. You should be on the Accessibility menu.
Then press the Select button twice. This will select VoiceOver and enable it.
You should hear VoiceOver become active.

Aloha,

Charlie 

> On Jul 24, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
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> Hello there,
> 
> Is there a shortcut to turn on Voiceover on the Apple tv?
> 
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osx 10 beta?

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

Hello I signed up for the public beta list but never received the code 
has it been released yet?  if so how can i get the code?

Hank

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Re: osx 10 beta?

[Daniel Chavez]

Hi there,
The beta has been released.
Depending on when you signed up, you may, or may not, be able to participate in 
the program, if you were not within the first million users.
An email will be sent stating that OSX beta is ready, then you sign into the 
link that says to click here to get OSX Yosemite Beta, at least, that's what my 
email said anyhow.
Once there, there should be a place to generate a code and download the 
installer. Once the installer gets downloaded, or once at least the code is 
generated, it's considered used, from what I'm understanding.

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Re: osx 10 beta?

[Alex Hall]

Alternatively, sign into appleseed.apple.com, click Get Yosemite, and go from 
there. If you were accepted into the program, you'll have the promo code. The 
way I understand it, the code is like any other - once you use it, Yosemite 
shows up in your purchases, and you can grab it whenever you want to. Of 
course, Apple will probably pull it once the official version is released in a 
few months, but until then you should be able to treat it like any other app.
On Jul 25, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:

> Hi there,
> The beta has been released.
> Depending on when you signed up, you may, or may not, be able to participate 
> in the program, if you were not within the first million users.
> An email will be sent stating that OSX beta is ready, then you sign into the 
> link that says to click here to get OSX Yosemite Beta, at least, that's what 
> my email said anyhow.
> Once there, there should be a place to generate a code and download the 
> installer. Once the installer gets downloaded, or once at least the code is 
> generated, it's considered used, from what I'm understanding.
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Re: yosemite public beta

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hello,

When I'm pasting below instructions on how I managed to partition my hard drive 
under Lion using voiceover.  I'm off to work so I can't check whether they are 
still relevant under mountain lion but I hope they will help you.

"

I thought I'd post my experience of partitioning an external usb drive
under mac os Lion in case somebody else needed to do this in the
future.

I've bought a 1 TB external hard drive, and I wanted to partition it
so that it has two different volumes. This is how I accomplished it in
Mac OS Lion.

I connected my USB drive to my mac.
1. Open Disk Utility (from the finder, shortcut key, command+shift+u),
and then start typing disk utility to get there.

2. In the table of all available disks, find the disk you wish to partition.

3. Stop interacting with the table of your disks and move to the right
through the available tabs until you've reached "partition" tab. Press
vo+space to select it.

4. Move right to hear "partition layout" popup button. Here yo you can
choose how many partitions you wish to have on your drive. In my case,
I chose two partitions.

5. Move to the right. You will encounter a field that Voiceover
reports as something like "name text field". At this stage this field
will be reported as dimmed which means that you cannot do anything
with it.

6. Move to the right and yo you will hear "scroll area". This is where
it gets interesting. Remember, I chose to partition my external drive
into two.

7. Interact with the scroll area. You will be able to navigate with
vo+arrow keys here, and you will hear: "untitled1 plus some info about
the value of the default size of the partition" and if you move right,
you will hear "horizontal splitter" and then, "untitled2" with the
value of the default size of the partition. At this point, you can't
do anything with these areas. However, in order to be able to name
your partitions, you have to do the following steps.

8. While still interacting with the scroll area, place your Voiceover
cursor on the first untitled area. If you have a mac that has a
trackpad which by default is enabled with Voiceover, first disabled
the trackpad commander with vo + rotor left. Voiceover will say
trackpad commander off. Then bring your ouse cursor to the Voiceover
cursor with vo+command+f5. Confirm with vo+f5 that you are on the
untitled1 field and then physically click the mouse/trackpad.

9. At this point, Disk Utility got busy for me and I had to force quit
it. To avoid this, after you had physically clicked the mouse pad,
turn Voiceover off and then on again (don't rush the process), and
then stop interacting with the scroll area and move left to the "name
text field".

10. You will notice, that now Voiceover announces "name text field" as
untitled1 and it is not dimmed so that yo you can enter the name of
your volume here.

11. After you are done with this partition, interact with the scroll
area again, only this time move to the "untitled2" and perform the
same actions here as you had done with "untitled1'. Then again, as
soon as you physically click the trackpad, turn Voiceover off, and
then turn it on again, and then stop interacting with the scroll area
and move to the left to the "name" field where you can now enter the
name of your second volume.

I hope this will help some people on the list who have been struggling
to partition their external drives.

With best regards

Andrew"
On 24 Jul 2014, at 21:49, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> hey,
> can not work out this partition page in disc utility.
> i can not seem to change the sise when making a new petition it's always 
> dimmed.
> could i plese get a guide on making a partition with VO?
> On 25 Jul 2014, at 6:00 am, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>>  
>> I installed Yosemite public beta relatively easily. Given, I did not receive 
>> the e-mail, but I did have a code waiting for me when I logged into 
>> Appleseed, which I clicked. After clicking on the link it opened up in the 
>> app store.
>> It seems that, according to posts and the way this whole procedure is 
>> occurring, Apple disregarded what they said at the keynote. A lot of people 
>> who didn't even apply for the beta early on are getting downloads while 
>> people that applied before them are getting "reached capacity" or "Code 
>> already used" errors in the app store.
>>  
>> One question I have about this whole public beta is whether we can discuss 
>> it openly or not. Are Appleseed public beta testers under the same NDA as if 
>> we were running developer copies?
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:48 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: yosemite public beta
>>  
>> Those who signed up should be receiving an email with the download codeat 
>> some point. I haven't yet, but Twitter seems to indicate the email wave has 
>> started. I say this because, for most of the day, a

Re: osx 10 beta?

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Well I never got the email but was able to get the beta since I signed 
up virtually as soon as it was announced.Hi there,

The beta has been released.
Depending on when you signed up, you may, or may not, be able to 
participate in the program, if you were not within the first million users.
An email will be sent stating that OSX beta is ready, then you sign into 
the link that says to click here to get OSX Yosemite Beta, at least, 
that's what my email said anyhow.
Once there, there should be a place to generate a code and download the 
installer. Once the installer gets downloaded, or once at least the code 
is generated, it's considered used, from what I'm understanding.


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