Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

[Teresa Cochran]

Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check "use 
classic layout.". Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find the 
splitter there.

HtH,
teresa

Visualize whirled peas.

On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I can't 
>> find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly annoying 
>> preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in case I'm 
>> thinking of the wrong one? Thanks.
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I am feemale.

> On 6 Jun 2014, at 04:31 am, "Littlefield, Tyler"  wrote:
> 
> Please do reread his post. He didn't   say "please tell me what you're 
> testing," he said "If you're a tester, please look at this if you can because 
> it was unaccessible last time." Which anyone could do with no problems while 
> not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
> 
> Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
> The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
>> On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they 
>> are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and 
>> time and time again.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please 
>>> test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very 
>>> accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may 
>>> want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a 
>>> document as you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a 
>>> Mac.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

[Devin Prater]

I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, "Littlefield, Tyler"  wrote:
> 
> Please do reread his post. He didn't say "please tell me what you're 
> testing," he said "If you're a tester, please look at this if you can because 
> it was unaccessible last time." Which anyone could do with no problems while 
> not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
> 
> Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
> The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
>> On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they 
>> are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and 
>> time and time again.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 
>> 5 user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please 
>>> test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very 
>>> accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may 
>>> want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as 
>>> you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: turning off the mac

[Jessica D]

Is the item you bought accessible with VoiceOver? How much does it cost? Do 
they use VoiceOver for demos?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:22 AM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
> into sleep mode.  Right?  
> If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
> eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
> there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.
> 
> Is one method any better than the other?  
> 
> Thanks,
> Don
> 
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sharing movies with friends via vlc

[Elaine O Neill]

Hi All,

Can any one tell me if it is possible to send movies via vlc to o ther friends 
on the Mac.

Many thanks.

Elaine.


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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

[Stacey Robinson]

Theressa,
After finding the splitter what do you do?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check "use 
> classic layout.". Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find 
> the splitter there.
> 
> HtH,
> teresa
> 
> Visualize whirled peas.
> 
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I can't 
>>> find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly annoying 
>>> preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in case I'm 
>>> thinking of the wrong one? Thanks.
>>> 
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Itunes Match not working on Mac

[Lee Jones]

Dear List, I subscribed to itunes match, and am trying to get my library 
matched, but I keep getting told that itunes match encountered a problem and 
that I need to sign out and sign back in before trying again.  After lots of 
tries I'm getting frustrated.  Has anyone got this to work, and is there 
anything obvious that I could be doing wrong?

Many Thanks, Lee

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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Stacey,

Once you've found the splitter, turn the trackpad commander off if it's active, 
then bring the mouse with VO-Cmd-F5. Press down on the trackpad with one finger 
and use another finger to stroke the trackpad from top to bottom. This should 
drag the splitter to the bottom of the screen.

It can take several attempts before this trick works as it's all too easy to 
move the mouse slightly before starting to drag it.

Cheers,

Anne


On 6 Jun 2014, at 15:06, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Theressa,
> After finding the splitter what do you do?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check "use 
>> classic layout.". Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find 
>> the splitter there.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> teresa
>> 
>> Visualize whirled peas.
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I can't 
 find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly annoying 
 preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in case I'm 
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Re: turning off the mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I seldom, if ever shutdown my Mac.  My MBP is put to sleep at night simply due 
to the fact that I close the lid whereas my other Desktop Macs stay on, 
24-7-365.  In fact, the computer is set to stay awake and only the display goes 
to sleep.  Just makes it easier for me to access other computers when they're 
awake.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:39 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Don,
> 
> I put my Mac into sleep mode at night and very rarely shut it down. However, 
> VO-Cmd-Eject is the best way to shut it down. It's all to easy to hold down 
> the Power key for too long and shut the Mac down brutally without it having 
> the chance to close down tidily.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 6 Jun 2014, at 07:22, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
>> into sleep mode.  Right?  
>> If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
>> eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
>> there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.
>> 
>> Is one method any better than the other?  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Don
>> 
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Re: Itunes Match not working on Mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It works perfectly for me across multiple devices.  Have you Quit and restarted 
iTunes?  Totally restarted your Mac?  Since you have likely followed its 
suggestion of signing out of iTunes Match then back in, try signing out, 
restarting the Mac then signing back in.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Lee Jones  wrote:

> Dear List, I subscribed to itunes match, and am trying to get my library 
> matched, but I keep getting told that itunes match encountered a problem and 
> that I need to sign out and sign back in before trying again.  After lots of 
> tries I'm getting frustrated.  Has anyone got this to work, and is there 
> anything obvious that I could be doing wrong?
> 
> Many Thanks, Lee
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Re: turning off the mac

[Teresa Cochran]

I don't shut mine down much either, because I use BOINC software for various 
projects when my computer is idle. I usually shut it down when there's a close 
thunderstorm, or I restart it if it's acting strangely.

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I seldom, if ever shutdown my Mac.  My MBP is put to sleep at night simply 
> due to the fact that I close the lid whereas my other Desktop Macs stay on, 
> 24-7-365.  In fact, the computer is set to stay awake and only the display 
> goes to sleep.  Just makes it easier for me to access other computers when 
> they're awake.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:39 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Don,
>> 
>> I put my Mac into sleep mode at night and very rarely shut it down. However, 
>> VO-Cmd-Eject is the best way to shut it down. It's all to easy to hold down 
>> the Power key for too long and shut the Mac down brutally without it having 
>> the chance to close down tidily.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 Jun 2014, at 07:22, don bishop  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting 
>>> it into sleep mode.  Right?  
>>> If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
>>> eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
>>> there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.
>>> 
>>> Is one method any better than the other?  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

[Alex Hall]

Thanks, I got it. I really hope part of the changes in Mail in 10.10 will be an 
option to close that pane.
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> Hello Stacey,
> 
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> active, then bring the mouse with VO-Cmd-F5. Press down on the trackpad with 
> one finger and use another finger to stroke the trackpad from top to bottom. 
> This should drag the splitter to the bottom of the screen.
> 
> It can take several attempts before this trick works as it's all too easy to 
> move the mouse slightly before starting to drag it.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 6 Jun 2014, at 15:06, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Theressa,
>> After finding the splitter what do you do?
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check "use 
>>> classic layout.". Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find 
>>> the splitter there.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> teresa
>>> 
>>> Visualize whirled peas.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
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> Hi all,
> On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I can't 
> find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly annoying 
> preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in case I'm 
> thinking of the wrong one? Thanks.
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Alex Hall]

Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my external 
hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about thirty seconds, 
while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, it’s working, 
thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.

As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format the 
drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, what 
do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X Beta 
Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the Macintosh 
HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that partition, but 
didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that completely erasing the 
Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you saying that I should 
format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If I do that, won’t it 
affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer partition as necessary?
On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
> you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
> grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under 
> it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 beta 
> partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the HD.  
> Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get the 
> files you want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could then 
> go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 
> thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be done from a 
> external source in order to completely reformat the drive.
> 
> If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
> fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
> those files or just give up on them.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, and 
>> that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll use 
>> that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other files I’d 
>> like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to have if I 
>> can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition and copy, but I 
>> don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll also need a way to 
>> erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I only tested one 
>> OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could have caused the 
>> problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utility on the recovery HD, and 
>> if so, how would I do that and merge its space back to Macintosh HD?
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I agree with Chris that it could very likely be a software thing.  So, 
>>> since you have a Time Machine backup that is fairly up-to-date and you say 
>>> that you have your important files backed up, I’d go for the reformat and 
>>> reinstall option.  If you don’t have an external HD or the cables that I 
>>> mentioned earlier, there is a neat little utility within the Mavericks 
>>> Installer that allows you to build a bootable Mavericks installer on a 
>>> flash drive that is at least 8 GB in size.  If you wish to go that way, I 
>>> can share instructions with you.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:00 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 You mentioned a 50GB partition for OSX betas. So were you running beta 
 OSes on this box? If so, it's at least plausible that the beta OSX had 
 some kind of bug which mangled data structures on the drive and, since it 
 had access to your non-beta partition, it could have mangled your regular 
 OSX boot drive as well. In other words, this could still have been a 
 software issue.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/5/14, 9:17 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> Hi all,
> So, here's the status of my Mac Mini's hard drive.
> 
> * Two repairs from the Recovery HD resulted in an error telling me to 
> format ad re-install.
> * I did just that at the end of March, and given that two repairs 
> couldn't fix whatever errors have accumulated after three months, it 
> seems like the drive itself is having problems.
> * The SMART status of the drive is "verified", not "failing", which seems 
> odd given the previous points.
> * The drive is partitioned into two: 450gb for OS X, and 50gb for OS X 
> betas. I don't yet know if the beta partition works, but both share a 
> drive so I'm not optimistic.
> 
> Any ideas? I looked at replacing the drive, but the iFixIt instructions 
> are scary and requir

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Alex,

Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after starting 
up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your drive to one 
partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should be done later 
on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is created 
properly.  Not sure where the other individual got there info but this is sound 
practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, 
on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the 
Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically 
created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must 
have already existed in order to create a proper installation.  The problem in 
your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing 
Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to

http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html

for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a complete 
wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried over thus 
any disk structure issues would have persisted.

Hope this makes sense.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
> it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
> 
> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format the 
> drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, what 
> do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X Beta 
> Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the Macintosh 
> HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that partition, but 
> didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that completely erasing 
> the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you saying that I should 
> format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If I do that, won’t it 
> affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer partition as 
> necessary?
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
>> you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
>> grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under 
>> it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 
>> beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the 
>> HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get 
>> the files you want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could 
>> then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 
>> 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be done 
>> from a external source in order to completely reformat the drive.
>> 
>> If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
>> fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
>> those files or just give up on them.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, and 
>>> that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll use 
>>> that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other files I’d 
>>> like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to have if 
>>> I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition and copy, 
>>> but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll also need a 
>>> way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I only 
>>> tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could have 
>>> caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utility on the 
>>> recovery HD, and if so, how would I do that and merge its space back to 
>>> Macintosh HD?
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I agree with Chris that it could very likely be a software thing.  So, 
 since you have a Time Machine backup that is fairly up-to-date and you say 
 that you have your important files backed up, I’d go for the reformat and 
 reinstall option.  If you don’t have an external HD or the cables that I 
 mentioned earlier, there is a neat little utility within the Mavericks 
 Installer that allows you to build a bootable Mavericks installer on a 
 flash drive that is at least 8 GB in size.  If you wish to go that way, I 
 can share instructions with you.
>

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Alex Hall]

Alright, I’ll do that. I used the installer file and Terminal to make the 
drive, so it should be fine. Thanks.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after starting 
> up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your drive to 
> one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should be done 
> later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is 
> created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got there info but 
> this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable 
> Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install 
> Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition 
> will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the 
> Recovery Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
> installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
> re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  
> Refer to
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
> 
> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a complete 
> wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried over thus 
> any disk structure issues would have persisted.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
>> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
>> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
>> it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
>> 
>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
>> the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, 
>> what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X 
>> Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the 
>> Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
>> partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
>> completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
>> saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If 
>> I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer 
>> partition as necessary?
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
>>> you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
>>> grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under 
>>> it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 
>>> beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the 
>>> HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get 
>>> the files you want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could 
>>> then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 
>>> 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be 
>>> done from a external source in order to completely reformat the drive.
>>> 
>>> If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
>>> fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
>>> those files or just give up on them.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
 and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
 use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other files 
 I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to 
 have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition and 
 copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll also 
 need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I 
 only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could 
 have caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utility on the 
 recovery HD, and if so, how would I do that and merge its space back to 
 Macintosh HD?
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with Chris that it could very likely be a software thing.  So, 
> since you have a Time Machine backup that is fairly up-to-date and you 
> say that you have your important files backed up, I’d go for the reformat 
> and reinstall option.  If you don’t have an external HD or the c

Re: Challenges with Apple Mail auto-complete

[Steve Holmes]

Yeah, I just looked here under both Composing and General and no checkbox for 
that option. I'm running latest Mavericks.

On Jun 4, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I believe that option has been removed, At least I couldn't find it anymore 
> so I didn't mention it in my post.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Red.Falcon  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Just in case check under composing in mail pref's to see if the auto 
>> complete is checked!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2014, at 18:49, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I don't believe that you'll find a more VO compatible mail client.  There 
>>> are other clients around with varying levels of accessibility.  The Apple 
>>> Mail client normally polls two sources for auto-completion of addresses, 
>>> the Contacts app and the Previous recipients list.  You can view the 
>>> Previous Recipients list from the Window menu in your Mail app.  This 
>>> should be populated automatically as messages are sent but there could be 
>>> issues there.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 11:26 AM, pcraw  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm seeking advice regarding some challenges with Apple Mail auto-complete 
 email addresses for a friend's AOL mail IMAP account. Main issue: in Apple 
 Mail, recently contacted email addresses are not appearing via 
 auto-complete. As such, I'm doing some research for him and have some 
 questions:
 
 - Any resources on how email contacts are managed in Apple Mail?
 
 - Any resources on how email contacts are managed in Apple Contacts? 
 What's the difference? I'm not 100% clear how they are linked.
 
 - Seeking alternative to Apple Mail for someone who is legally blind. Are 
 there some alternatives with a simpler interface and possibly better 
 integration with VoiceOver? Just curious
 
 Any help is appreciated.
 
 Technical info-
 Mac Mini (late 2012)
 
 Mac OS X 10.8.5 (12F45)
 
 Apple Mail v 6.6
 
 Apple Contacts v7.1
 
 
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys 
I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I 
discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud. 
Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are near 
and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is not. Here 
is the disaster I created for myself. 

Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press command 
s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even worse decision 
this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to see if tables would 
ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days. 

So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display and 
discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no prob, 
but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d. Then in 
messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I erased one of 
the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 

So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to see 
if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I couldn't read 
with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one, the one at 8 
o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I had to call 
that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my screen by helping 
me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She told me I had three 
choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night. This meant I had to do 
two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files off the Cloud so I can use 
my Time Machine backup for disasters. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
> accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, "Littlefield, Tyler"  wrote:
> 
>> Please do reread his post. He didn't say "please tell me what you're 
>> testing," he said "If you're a tester, please look at this if you can 
>> because it was unaccessible last time." Which anyone could do with no 
>> problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
>> 
>> Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
>> The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
>> On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they 
>>> are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and 
>>> time and time again.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello.
 
 For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please 
 test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very 
 accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may 
 want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as 
 you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Steve Holmes]

That's right. they're toast!

This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and all so 
Movie Reading is another orphaned app .

On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C.  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I am confused. 
> I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook or 
> twitter. :)
> 
> http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/
> 
> http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/
> 
> I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
> have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The 
> last I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to 
> be an option for described movies and TV shows.
> 
> Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
> Christina
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Re: Where do I go to read system dialogues?

[Steve Holmes]

Sometimes I don't find them there but find it under the window choose (VO-F2 
F2). But even then, I had to roll through several apps with Command-Tab before 
I found a system dialog in the window chooser.

It hasn't always been consistent for me over time.

On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:47 PM, isaac  wrote:

> Press vo f 1 f 1. 
> Then use the down arrow key to find the system dialogs submenu.  Next press 
> vo space bar on the  system dialogs submenu. 
> Next choose the system dialogs you want to close. 
> Next press vo space on the system dialog in question. 
> Next press command q or command w on the system dialogs in question that you 
> want to close. 
> 
> isaac
> isaac.heb...@gmail.com
> Skype gold_wildcat 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
>> My MBP says I have 1 system dialogue but I don't know where to go to read 
>> it. Any help would be hugely appreciated.  
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

[Steve Holmes]

This used to be easier under Mountain Lion. At least there, I didn't have to go 
into classic mode and I think I could just use the arrow keys to adjust the 
slider too. Yes, I fully agree; this should be a simple check item in the View 
menu as far as I'm concerned.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Thanks, I got it. I really hope part of the changes in Mail in 10.10 will be 
> an option to close that pane.
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Stacey,
>> 
>> Once you've found the splitter, turn the trackpad commander off if it's 
>> active, then bring the mouse with VO-Cmd-F5. Press down on the trackpad with 
>> one finger and use another finger to stroke the trackpad from top to bottom. 
>> This should drag the splitter to the bottom of the screen.
>> 
>> It can take several attempts before this trick works as it's all too easy to 
>> move the mouse slightly before starting to drag it.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 Jun 2014, at 15:06, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Theressa,
>>> After finding the splitter what do you do?
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> Stacey Robinson
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:00 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
 Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check "use 
 classic layout.". Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find 
 the splitter there.
 
 HtH,
 teresa
 
 Visualize whirled peas.
 
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> Hi,
> 
> I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I 
>> can't find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly 
>> annoying preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in 
>> case I'm thinking of the wrong one? Thanks.
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Steve Holmes]

I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari byt 
then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any controls to 
stop the playback. This just sucks!

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after starting 
> up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your drive to 
> one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should be done 
> later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is 
> created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got there info but 
> this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable 
> Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install 
> Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition 
> will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the 
> Recovery Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
> installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
> re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  
> Refer to
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
> 
> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a complete 
> wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried over thus 
> any disk structure issues would have persisted.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
>> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
>> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
>> it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
>> 
>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
>> the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, 
>> what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X 
>> Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the 
>> Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
>> partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
>> completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
>> saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If 
>> I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer 
>> partition as necessary?
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
>>> you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
>>> grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under 
>>> it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 
>>> beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the 
>>> HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get 
>>> the files you want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could 
>>> then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 
>>> 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be 
>>> done from a external source in order to completely reformat the drive.
>>> 
>>> If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
>>> fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
>>> those files or just give up on them.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
 and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
 use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other files 
 I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to 
 have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition and 
 copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll also 
 need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I 
 only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could 
 have caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utility on the 
 recovery HD, and if so, how would I do that and merge its space back to 
 Macintosh HD?
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with Chris that it could very likely be a software th

VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this configuration?

[Bill Holton]

If so, I have a few questions about how you deal with certain WE isses.

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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

[Regina Alvarado]

Asking a dumb question. What is the mail preview payne? How do I get rid of it, 
and if I do, what is the difference in how I would read mail?


reggie and Allegra

On Jun 6, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

Put Mail into classic view in Mail preferences, viewing, then check "use 
classic layout.". Then find the message list and VO-right. You should find the 
splitter there.

HtH,
teresa

Visualize whirled peas.

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that you need to put your Mail into Classic view first.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> On my MBA (which I'm using for everything until my Mini is back), I can't 
>> find the splitter I should be able to use to close the horribly annoying 
>> preview pane in Mail. Can someone remind me where it is, in case I'm 
>> thinking of the wrong one? Thanks.
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Alex Hall]

Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply that 
you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the only 
partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase that 
partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not 
already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want to do 
everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after starting 
> up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your drive to 
> one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should be done 
> later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is 
> created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got there info but 
> this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable 
> Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install 
> Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition 
> will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the 
> Recovery Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
> installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
> re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  
> Refer to
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
> 
> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a complete 
> wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried over thus 
> any disk structure issues would have persisted.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
>> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
>> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
>> it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
>> 
>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
>> the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, 
>> what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X 
>> Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the 
>> Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
>> partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
>> completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
>> saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If 
>> I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer 
>> partition as necessary?
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
>>> you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
>>> grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under 
>>> it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 
>>> beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the 
>>> HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get 
>>> the files you want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could 
>>> then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 
>>> 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be 
>>> done from a external source in order to completely reformat the drive.
>>> 
>>> If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
>>> fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
>>> those files or just give up on them.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
 and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
 use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other files 
 I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to 
 have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition and 
 copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll also 
 need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I 
 only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could 
 have caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utili

amusing notice from Mail

[Jenine Stanley]

Today as I was reviewing my mail, it kept saying things like 23 message, 24 
unread, 18 messages, 19 unread, etc. I'm amused as well as baffled but it did 
finally straighten itself out. 

Hoping that Yosemite will end the "1 message added ... 2 messages added ..." 
etc. that VO insists on verbalizing.
Jenine Stanley
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not that this helps your situation at all, but, just a clarification for you.  
Anything that is in iCloud, is also on your Mac already.  Therefore, moving 
those items out of the iCloud area does not specifically do anything profound, 
in fact, you're losing one backup location.

For example:

* File xyz.pages saved in iCloud resides off in Cyber Space, in 
/Users/YourAccount/Library/Mobile Document/blah blah blah, and in your Time 
Machine location if you use Time Machine.  Thus, three places to recover from.
* File abc.pages stored somewhere else on your Mac such as the Desktop, is in 
/Users/YourAccount/Desktop/abc.pages and in your Time Machine backup.  So, only 
two locations.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi guys 
> I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I 
> discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud. 
> Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are near 
> and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is not. 
> Here is the disaster I created for myself. 
> 
> Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press 
> command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even 
> worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to see 
> if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days. 
> 
> So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display 
> and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no 
> prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d. Then 
> in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I erased one 
> of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 
> 
> So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to see 
> if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I couldn't 
> read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one, the one at 8 
> o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I had to call 
> that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my screen by 
> helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She told me I 
> had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night. This meant I 
> had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files off the Cloud 
> so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
>> I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
>> accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, "Littlefield, Tyler"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Please do reread his post. He didn't say "please tell me what you're 
>>> testing," he said "If you're a tester, please look at this if you can 
>>> because it was unaccessible last time." Which anyone could do with no 
>>> problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
>>> The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
>>> On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they 
 are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and 
 time and time again.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> Hello.
> 
> For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please 
> test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very 
> accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may 
> want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as 
> you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: amusing notice from Mail

[Jessica D]

For me, voiceover does this, but it also interrupts itself. Why does it do 
this? How do I stop it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Today as I was reviewing my mail, it kept saying things like 23 message, 24 
> unread, 18 messages, 19 unread, etc. I'm amused as well as baffled but it did 
> finally straighten itself out. 
> 
> Hoping that Yosemite will end the "1 message added ... 2 messages added ..." 
> etc. that VO insists on verbalizing.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Jessica D]

I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
> That's right. they're toast!
> 
> This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and all 
> so Movie Reading is another orphaned app .
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I am confused. 
>> I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook 
>> or twitter. :)
>> 
>> http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/
>> 
>> http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/
>> 
>> I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
>> have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The 
>> last I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to 
>> be an option for described movies and TV shows.
>> 
>> Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
>> Christina
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Autoplay, wasRe: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Teresa Cochran]

Steve, just press control-home to go to your home page.

Teresa

Slow down; you’ll get there faster.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
> started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
> babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari 
> byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any 
> controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
>> drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should 
>> be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
>> Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
>> there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
>> your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
>> “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
>> Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
>> Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
>> order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that you 
>> need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is 
>> not of any benefit.  Refer to
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
>> 
>> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
>> over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
>> 
>> Hope this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
>>> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
>>> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
>>> it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
>>> 
>>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
>>> the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
>>> is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
>>> OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
>>> the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
>>> partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
>>> completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
>>> saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? 
>>> If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the 
>>> installer partition as necessary?
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then 
 go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 
 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area 
 of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could 
 quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever media you 
 want.  You could then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and 
 re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there 
 since it needs to be done from a external source in order to completely 
 reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
> and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
> use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other 
> files I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just 
> to have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition 
> and copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll 
> also need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the 
> problem. I only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose 
> it could have caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, the 
thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, not the 
already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and partition your 
HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name Macintosh HD.  As 
well, press the Options button in this window and ensure that your HD will have 
the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have one volume on your drive 
with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the Mavericks Installer from your thumb 
drive, the Recovery Partition will be automatically created.

Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
> articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
> that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the only 
> partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase that 
> partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
> automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not 
> already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want to do 
> everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
>> drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should 
>> be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
>> Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
>> there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
>> your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
>> “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
>> Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
>> Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
>> order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that you 
>> need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is 
>> not of any benefit.  Refer to
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
>> 
>> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
>> over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
>> 
>> Hope this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
>>> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
>>> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
>>> it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
>>> 
>>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
>>> the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
>>> is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
>>> OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
>>> the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
>>> partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
>>> completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
>>> saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? 
>>> If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the 
>>> installer partition as necessary?
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then 
 go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 
 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area 
 of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could 
 quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever media you 
 want.  You could then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and 
 re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there 
 since it needs to be done from a external source in order to completely 
 reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just gi

Correction, Autoplay, wasRe: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Teresa Cochran]

I meant to say command-home to go to the home page.

Teresa

“Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.”—Richard P. Feynman

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
> started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
> babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari 
> byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any 
> controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
>> drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should 
>> be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
>> Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
>> there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
>> your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
>> “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
>> Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
>> Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
>> order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that you 
>> need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is 
>> not of any benefit.  Refer to
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
>> 
>> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
>> over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
>> 
>> Hope this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
>>> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
>>> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
>>> it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
>>> 
>>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
>>> the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
>>> is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
>>> OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
>>> the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
>>> partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
>>> completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
>>> saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? 
>>> If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the 
>>> installer partition as necessary?
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then 
 go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 
 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area 
 of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could 
 quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever media you 
 want.  You could then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and 
 re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there 
 since it needs to be done from a external source in order to completely 
 reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
> and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
> use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other 
> files I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just 
> to have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition 
> and copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the permissions to do that. I’ll 
> also need a way to erase the beta partition, if that is indeed the 
> problem. I only tested one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose 
> it could have caused the pro

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Alex Hall]

Okay, got it! Thanks, I’ll go do that now.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, 
> the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, not 
> the already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and partition 
> your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name Macintosh 
> HD.  As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure that your HD 
> will have the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have one volume on 
> your drive with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the Mavericks Installer 
> from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be automatically created.
> 
> Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
>> articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
>> that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the 
>> only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase 
>> that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
>> automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not 
>> already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want to 
>> do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
>>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
>>> drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
>>> should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
>>> Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
>>> there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
>>> your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
>>> “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
>>> Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
>>> Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
>>> order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that 
>>> you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition 
>>> is not of any benefit.  Refer to
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
>>> 
>>> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
>>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
>>> over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
>>> 
>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are 
 you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
> etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
> Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
> then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
> select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
> in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, 
> you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever 
> media you want.  You could then go ahead and do the total 
> wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best 
> to do it from there since it needs to be done from a external source in 
> order to completely reformat th

Re: amusing notice from Mail

[Jenine Stanley]

Oh if there's a way to stop this, whoever shares it will be sainted. It drives 
me crazy. :)
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> For me, voiceover does this, but it also interrupts itself. Why does it do 
> this? How do I stop it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> 
>> Today as I was reviewing my mail, it kept saying things like 23 message, 24 
>> unread, 18 messages, 19 unread, etc. I'm amused as well as baffled but it 
>> did finally straighten itself out. 
>> 
>> Hoping that Yosemite will end the "1 message added ... 2 messages added ..." 
>> etc. that VO insists on verbalizing.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Steve Holmes]

Well, the other guys had a free service. Where are they now? I'll tell you 
where they are. they're broke! The unfortunate fact here is anyone offering a 
service like this, using apps, servers, etc. will have to have some kind of 
business model to keep them afloat. Hence someone has to pay for it some how. 
You can't always count on subsidies or grants to keep a business going. I 
assume this group has some people on staff working full or part time. Those 
people need to eat and pay rent...

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Jessica D  wrote:

> I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>> That's right. they're toast!
>> 
>> This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and all 
>> so Movie Reading is another orphaned app .
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I am confused. 
>>> I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook 
>>> or twitter. :)
>>> 
>>> http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/
>>> 
>>> http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/
>>> 
>>> I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
>>> have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The 
>>> last I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to 
>>> be an option for described movies and TV shows.
>>> 
>>> Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
>>> Christina
>>> 
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Tim Kilburn]

Steve,

I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened to 
me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to Select 
All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose “Make Plain 
Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without all the 
extraneous garbage.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
> started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
> babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari 
> byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any 
> controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
>> drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should 
>> be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
>> Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
>> there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
>> your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
>> “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
>> Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
>> Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
>> order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that you 
>> need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is 
>> not of any benefit.  Refer to
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
>> 
>> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
>> over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
>> 
>> Hope this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
>>> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
>>> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, 
>>> it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
>>> 
>>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
>>> the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
>>> is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
>>> OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
>>> the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
>>> partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
>>> completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
>>> saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? 
>>> If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or will the 
>>> installer partition as necessary?
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
 etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
 Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then 
 go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 
 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area 
 of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could 
 quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever media you 
 want.  You could then go ahead and do the total wipe/re-partition and 
 re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best to do it from there 
 since it needs to be done from a external source in order to completely 
 reformat the drive.
 
 If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is in 
 fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to grab 
 those files or just give up on them.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
> and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the house. I’ll 
> use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off any other 
> files I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just 
> to have if I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta partition 
> and copy, but I don

Re: Correction, Autoplay, wasRe: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Steve Holmes]

Well no, I wanted to stay on that page but stop the videos from playing. The 
article about building the bootable image looks very interesting and would make 
an excellent resource for future reference. But it autoplays the series of 
videos continuously and I haven’t found a way to stop them. Anyone else 
observing this on Macworld’s page? I’m tempted to write a complaint to Mac 
World to see if they can change something.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> I meant to say command-home to go to the home page.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> “Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.”—Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
>> started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
>> babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari 
>> byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any 
>> controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
>>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
>>> drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
>>> should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
>>> Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
>>> there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
>>> your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
>>> “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
>>> Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
>>> Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
>>> order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that 
>>> you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition 
>>> is not of any benefit.  Refer to
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
>>> 
>>> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
>>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
>>> over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
>>> 
>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are 
 you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
> etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
> Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
> then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
> select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
> in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, 
> you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever 
> media you want.  You could then go ahead and do the total 
> wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best 
> to do it from there since it needs to be done from a external source in 
> order to completely reformat the drive.
> 
> If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is 
> in fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to 
> grab those files or just give up on them.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used before, 
>>>

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good 
time to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on 
Safari. Pages load faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and 
if you do want one you just action the spot and that particular flash 
widget is allowed to load. Details on this are in the email archives but 
if you want to get that set up and get stuck just ask. I did mine years 
ago so I'd have to dig up the URLs and such.


CB

On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Steve,

I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never 
happened to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, 
try a cmd-a to Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its 
Format menu and choose “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff. 
 You can then read it without all the extraneous garbage.


Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes > wrote:


I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the 
damn site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop 
them? It’s still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can 
close the window of Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I hate 
auto play. I can’t find any controls to stop the playback. This just 
sucks!


On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:



Hi Alex,

Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and 
re-partition your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any 
subsequent partitions should be done later on the live drive.  This 
will ensure that the Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not 
sure where the other individual got there info but this is sound 
practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks 
Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” 
utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition 
will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, 
then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in order to 
create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that you 
need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery 
Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to


http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html

for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.


Hope this makes sense.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to 
my external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung 
for about thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve 
come to dread. Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition 
won’t even boot.


As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to 
format the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, 
the question is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one 
Macintosh HD and one OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean 
install back in March, I had only the Macintosh HD partition and so 
didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that partition, but didn’t 
actually erase it, as people I asked told me that completely 
erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you 
saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the 
OS, or will the installer partition as necessary?

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


Hi,

For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping 
partitions etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and 
re-partition anyway.  Regarding grabbing those files, if you 
startup from your thumb drive, then go under it’s Apple menu to 
Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 beta 
partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of 
the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, you 
could quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever 
media you want.  You could then go ahead and do the total 
wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive. 
 It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be done from a 
external source in order to completely reformat the drive.


If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the 
drive is in fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use 
Terminal commands to grab those files or just give up on them.


HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used 
before, and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in 
the 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Steve Holmes]

Yeah, I tried the reader toggle from the toolbar and that made the reading much 
easier. Thanks for the idea of pasting into a text file. That’s one way to skin 
the cat. That’s interesting that it didn’t auto play for you. That should be 
another option for Safari just like auto opening of downloads. I have opening 
of downloads turned off. I would much rather download and then play or open 
later when I’m ready. 

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened 
> to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to 
> Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose 
> “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without all 
> the extraneous garbage.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
>> started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
>> babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari 
>> byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any 
>> controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
>>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
>>> drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
>>> should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
>>> Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
>>> there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
>>> your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
>>> “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
>>> Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
>>> Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
>>> order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that 
>>> you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition 
>>> is not of any benefit.  Refer to
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
>>> 
>>> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
>>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
>>> over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
>>> 
>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are 
 you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
> etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
> Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
> then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
> select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
> in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, 
> you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever 
> media you want.  You could then go ahead and do the total 
> wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  It’s best 
> to do it from there since it needs to be done from a external source in 
> order to completely reformat the drive.
> 
> If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is 
> in fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to 
> grab those files or just give up on them.

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Chris,

I could be off-base, but I believe that functionality may be built-in to the 
newer Safari installations.  In the Advance pane of Safari, there is a section 
called “Internet Plugins” and directly after it, there is a checkbox that reads 
something to the effect “Stop Plugins from Playing Automatically”.  I have it 
checked and, maybe that’s why it didn’t start auto-playing for me.  When this 
is set this way, a little button appears in Safari saying something about 
“Safari Power Saver, Click to Play”.  I believe that it will then add that 
address into the list of acceptable auto-play sites.

This may not be the same, but it sure sounds like it to me.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

> Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good time 
> to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on Safari. Pages 
> load faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and if you do want one 
> you just action the spot and that particular flash widget is allowed to load. 
> Details on this are in the email archives but if you want to get that set up 
> and get stuck just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have to dig up the URLs 
> and such.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Steve,
>> 
>> I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened 
>> to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to 
>> Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose 
>> “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without 
>> all the extraneous garbage.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn 
>>> site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s 
>>> still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of 
>>> Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find 
>>> any controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the 
 Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other 
 individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
 DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
 drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
 Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically created. 
  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must 
 have already existed in order to create a proper installation.  The 
 problem in your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using 
 the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
 carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
> Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
> 
> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
> the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
> is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
> OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
> the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted 
> that partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me 
> that completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. 
> Are you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
> partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
> will the installer partition as necessary?
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
>> et

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Steve Holmes]

I never installed flash on my machine. Though click to flash maybe an 
interesting option  to look at. I just didn’t think it necessary if flash isn’t 
installed at all. Odd that I couldn’t find any controls to control playback. At 
least when Audio Boo does this, you can find the controls to start/stop playing.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:04 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

> Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good time 
> to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on Safari. Pages 
> load faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and if you do want one 
> you just action the spot and that particular flash widget is allowed to load. 
> Details on this are in the email archives but if you want to get that set up 
> and get stuck just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have to dig up the URLs 
> and such.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Steve,
>> 
>> I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened 
>> to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to 
>> Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose 
>> “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without 
>> all the extraneous garbage.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn 
>>> site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s 
>>> still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of 
>>> Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find 
>>> any controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the 
 Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other 
 individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
 DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
 drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
 Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically created. 
  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must 
 have already existed in order to create a proper installation.  The 
 problem in your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using 
 the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
 carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
> Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
> 
> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
> the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
> is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
> OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
> the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted 
> that partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me 
> that completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. 
> Are you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
> partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
> will the installer partition as necessary?
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
>> etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
>> Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
>> then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
>> select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
>> in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the 
>> OS, you could qui

Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

[Eugenia Firth]

Thanks Tim. So to clarify here, I do have it right that one should press 
command s if you're in Pages and you want to make sure, before you quit for the 
day, that you have saved your file so that the one you like is the latest 
version? 

Gigi 

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Not that this helps your situation at all, but, just a clarification for you. 
>  Anything that is in iCloud, is also on your Mac already.  Therefore, moving 
> those items out of the iCloud area does not specifically do anything 
> profound, in fact, you're losing one backup location.
> 
> For example:
> 
> * File xyz.pages saved in iCloud resides off in Cyber Space, in 
> /Users/YourAccount/Library/Mobile Document/blah blah blah, and in your Time 
> Machine location if you use Time Machine.  Thus, three places to recover from.
> * File abc.pages stored somewhere else on your Mac such as the Desktop, is in 
> /Users/YourAccount/Desktop/abc.pages and in your Time Machine backup.  So, 
> only two locations.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys 
>> I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I 
>> discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud. 
>> Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are 
>> near and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is 
>> not. Here is the disaster I created for myself. 
>> 
>> Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press 
>> command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even 
>> worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to 
>> see if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days. 
>> 
>> So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display 
>> and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no 
>> prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d. 
>> Then in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I 
>> erased one of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 
>> 
>> So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to 
>> see if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I 
>> couldn't read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one, 
>> the one at 8 o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I 
>> had to call that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my 
>> screen by helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She 
>> told me I had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night. 
>> This meant I had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files 
>> off the Cloud so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
>>> accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, "Littlefield, Tyler"  wrote:
>>> 
 Please do reread his post. He didn't say "please tell me what you're 
 testing," he said "If you're a tester, please look at this if you can 
 because it was unaccessible last time." Which anyone could do with no 
 problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
 
 Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a 
 vm!
 The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
 On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they 
> are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and 
> time and time again.
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, 
>> please test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't 
>> very accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then 
>> people may want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a 
>> document as you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a 
>> Mac.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, for sure, it's always best to do the cmd-s prior to going away from any 
document.  They did have TextEdit and Pages set to do this automatically back 
in Lion, I think, but I don't trust that method anyway.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Thanks Tim. So to clarify here, I do have it right that one should press 
> command s if you're in Pages and you want to make sure, before you quit for 
> the day, that you have saved your file so that the one you like is the latest 
> version? 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Not that this helps your situation at all, but, just a clarification for 
>> you.  Anything that is in iCloud, is also on your Mac already.  Therefore, 
>> moving those items out of the iCloud area does not specifically do anything 
>> profound, in fact, you're losing one backup location.
>> 
>> For example:
>> 
>> * File xyz.pages saved in iCloud resides off in Cyber Space, in 
>> /Users/YourAccount/Library/Mobile Document/blah blah blah, and in your Time 
>> Machine location if you use Time Machine.  Thus, three places to recover 
>> from.
>> * File abc.pages stored somewhere else on your Mac such as the Desktop, is 
>> in /Users/YourAccount/Desktop/abc.pages and in your Time Machine backup.  
>> So, only two locations.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys 
>>> I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I 
>>> discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud. 
>>> Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are 
>>> near and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is 
>>> not. Here is the disaster I created for myself. 
>>> 
>>> Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press 
>>> command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even 
>>> worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to 
>>> see if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these 
>>> days. 
>>> 
>>> So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display 
>>> and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no 
>>> prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d. 
>>> Then in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I 
>>> erased one of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 
>>> 
>>> So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to 
>>> see if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I 
>>> couldn't read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one, 
>>> the one at 8 o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so 
>>> I had to call that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my 
>>> screen by helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She 
>>> told me I had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night. 
>>> This meant I had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files 
>>> off the Cloud so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
 I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
 accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, "Littlefield, Tyler"  wrote:
 
> Please do reread his post. He didn't say "please tell me what you're 
> testing," he said "If you're a tester, please look at this if you can 
> because it was unaccessible last time." Which anyone could do with no 
> problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
> 
> Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a 
> vm!
> The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
> On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what 
>> they are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say 
>> time and time and time again.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, 
>>> please test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't 
>>> very accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then 
>>> people may want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at 
>>> a document as you'd 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Steve Holmes]

Interesting; I just looked there and my option is also checked. It played for 
me though. Wonder if there is another option some place.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> I could be off-base, but I believe that functionality may be built-in to the 
> newer Safari installations.  In the Advance pane of Safari, there is a 
> section called “Internet Plugins” and directly after it, there is a checkbox 
> that reads something to the effect “Stop Plugins from Playing Automatically”. 
>  I have it checked and, maybe that’s why it didn’t start auto-playing for me. 
>  When this is set this way, a little button appears in Safari saying 
> something about “Safari Power Saver, Click to Play”.  I believe that it will 
> then add that address into the list of acceptable auto-play sites.
> 
> This may not be the same, but it sure sounds like it to me.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good time 
>> to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on Safari. 
>> Pages load faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and if you do 
>> want one you just action the spot and that particular flash widget is 
>> allowed to load. Details on this are in the email archives but if you want 
>> to get that set up and get stuck just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have 
>> to dig up the URLs and such.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Steve,
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened 
>>> to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to 
>>> Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose 
>>> “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without 
>>> all the extraneous garbage.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>>> 
 I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn 
 site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? 
 It’s still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the 
 window of Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I 
 can’t find any controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition 
> your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent 
> partitions should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that 
> the Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other 
> individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
> DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
> drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
> Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically 
> created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery 
> Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
> installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
> re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any 
> benefit.  Refer to
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
> 
> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
> carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
>> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
>> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
>> Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
>> 
>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to 
>> format the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the 
>> question is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh 
>> HD and one OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in 
>> March, I had only the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to 
>> worry. I reformatted that partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as 
>> people I asked told me that completely erasing the Macintosh HD 
>> partition could turn out badly. Are you saying that I should format the 
>> entire

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Tim Kilburn]

Steve,

When I go to that site and do Item Chooser, enter the word “power”, I get the 
“Safari Power Saver, Click to Start Flash Plugin”.  In fact, one time I got 
only instance and another time I got two instances of Flash stuff.  In your 
Safari Preferences, in that same area, press the Details button and see if 
MacWorld is in the list of allowed Flash content sites.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> Interesting; I just looked there and my option is also checked. It played for 
> me though. Wonder if there is another option some place.
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> I could be off-base, but I believe that functionality may be built-in to the 
>> newer Safari installations.  In the Advance pane of Safari, there is a 
>> section called “Internet Plugins” and directly after it, there is a checkbox 
>> that reads something to the effect “Stop Plugins from Playing 
>> Automatically”.  I have it checked and, maybe that’s why it didn’t start 
>> auto-playing for me.  When this is set this way, a little button appears in 
>> Safari saying something about “Safari Power Saver, Click to Play”.  I 
>> believe that it will then add that address into the list of acceptable 
>> auto-play sites.
>> 
>> This may not be the same, but it sure sounds like it to me.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good time 
>>> to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on Safari. 
>>> Pages load faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and if you do 
>>> want one you just action the spot and that particular flash widget is 
>>> allowed to load. Details on this are in the email archives but if you want 
>>> to get that set up and get stuck just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have 
>>> to dig up the URLs and such.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Steve,
 
 I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never 
 happened to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a 
 cmd-a to Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu 
 and choose “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read 
 it without all the extraneous garbage.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
 
> I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn 
> site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? 
> It’s still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the 
> window of Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I 
> can’t find any controls to stop the playback. This just sucks!
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition 
>> your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent 
>> partitions should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure 
>> that the Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the 
>> other individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
>> DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
>> drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
>> Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically 
>> created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery 
>> Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
>> installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
>> re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any 
>> benefit.  Refer to
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
>> 
>> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
>> carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
>> 
>> Hope this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
>>> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for 
>>> about thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to 
>>> dread. Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even 
>>> boot.
>>> 
>>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure 

RE: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Gigi,

 

I can commensurate with you. When I was in grad school between 2005-2008, I
did the same thing. Unfortunately, when I always attempted to recreate what
I had deleted, it never came out the way it did the first time. I was using
a PC at the time and all of my problems existed because I would highlight
some text, but because it was probably in the wee hours, I didn't move the
cursor off to deselect and save the doc without realizing that I had lost a
file or important text. Control-S (PC or Command-S (Mac) became my friend. I
also elected to check to make an automatic backup of any document. At least
that would save my buns if I repeated the stupid mistake. I really do feel
for you. I hope you can reconstruct the tables less than 2 hours. 

 

Best, 

Eileen 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 9:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on
the Mac.

 

Hi guys 

I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I
discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud.
Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are
near and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is
not. Here is the disaster I created for myself. 

 

Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press
command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even
worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to
see if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days.


 

So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display
and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no
prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d.
Then in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I
erased one of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 

 

So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to
see if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I
couldn't read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one,
the one at 8 o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I
had to call that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my
screen by helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She
told me I had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night.
This meant I had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files
off the Cloud so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 

 

Regards, 

Gigi 

 

On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:





I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for
accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 


On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, "Littlefield, Tyler"  wrote:

Please do reread his post. He didn't say "please tell me what you're
testing," he said "If you're a tester, please look at this if you can
because it was unaccessible last time." Which anyone could do with no
problems while not disclosing any information about the beta itself.

Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they
are testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and
time and time again. 

 

 

Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

 

On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:





Hello.

For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please
test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very
accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may
want to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as
you'd want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.

Thank you.

Kawal.

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Re: turning off the mac

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

I just press 
control eject and the shut down box appears and i press enter and my iMac shuts 
down.  HTH.

Matthew

On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:22 AM, don bishop  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
> into sleep mode.  Right?  
> If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
> eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
> there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.
> 
> Is one method any better than the other?  
> 
> Thanks,
> Don
> 
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Robert C]

   Its amusing and sad at the same time when folks state that they will 
not pay for something that used to be free. Free is not truly free, it 
will cost us somewhere sometime. If its not worth paying for something, 
we dont need to hear it for its a choice we all make.


   The same mindset came up when Taptapsee began charging for their 
service. It was amusing to see how many people said they would delete 
the app rather than pay for something that used to be free. They must 
not have really needed that app.


   If I want this DVS service bad enough, I will pay for it. I will 
just not pay for something else, like one cup less of coffee per week 
perhaps. LOL


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On 6/6/2014 11:00 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

Well, the other guys had a free service. Where are they now? I'll tell you 
where they are. they're broke! The unfortunate fact here is anyone offering a 
service like this, using apps, servers, etc. will have to have some kind of 
business model to keep them afloat. Hence someone has to pay for it some how. 
You can't always count on subsidies or grants to keep a business going. I 
assume this group has some people on staff working full or part time. Those 
people need to eat and pay rent...

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Jessica D  wrote:


I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

That's right. they're toast!

This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and all so Movie 
Reading is another orphaned app .


On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C.  wrote:

Hello all,

I am confused.
I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook or 
twitter. :)

http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/

http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/

I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The last 
I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to be an 
option for described movies and TV shows.

Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
Christina

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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Jessica D]

Who wants to pay $25 or more a month just for disc riptide movies? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
> Well, the other guys had a free service. Where are they now? I'll tell you 
> where they are. they're broke! The unfortunate fact here is anyone offering a 
> service like this, using apps, servers, etc. will have to have some kind of 
> business model to keep them afloat. Hence someone has to pay for it some how. 
> You can't always count on subsidies or grants to keep a business going. I 
> assume this group has some people on staff working full or part time. Those 
> people need to eat and pay rent...
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>> I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's right. they're toast!
>>> 
>>> This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and 
>>> all so Movie Reading is another orphaned app .
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I am confused. 
 I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook 
 or twitter. :)
 
 http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/
 
 http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/
 
 I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just 
 won't have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new 
 news? The last I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no 
 longer going to be an option for described movies and TV shows.
 
 Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Jessica D]

I want it but not for $25 or more month. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Robert C  wrote:
> 
>   Its amusing and sad at the same time when folks state that they will not 
> pay for something that used to be free. Free is not truly free, it will cost 
> us somewhere sometime. If its not worth paying for something, we dont need to 
> hear it for its a choice we all make.
> 
>   The same mindset came up when Taptapsee began charging for their service. 
> It was amusing to see how many people said they would delete the app rather 
> than pay for something that used to be free. They must not have really needed 
> that app.
> 
>   If I want this DVS service bad enough, I will pay for it. I will just not 
> pay for something else, like one cup less of coffee per week perhaps. LOL
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> Patience is also a form of action.
> --Auguste Rodin, sculptor (1840-1917)
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> E-mail-
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> 
>> On 6/6/2014 11:00 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> Well, the other guys had a free service. Where are they now? I'll tell you 
>> where they are. they're broke! The unfortunate fact here is anyone offering 
>> a service like this, using apps, servers, etc. will have to have some kind 
>> of business model to keep them afloat. Hence someone has to pay for it some 
>> how. You can't always count on subsidies or grants to keep a business going. 
>> I assume this group has some people on staff working full or part time. 
>> Those people need to eat and pay rent...
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
 
 That's right. they're toast!
 
 This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and 
 all so Movie Reading is another orphaned app .
 
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am confused.
> I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use 
> faceBook or twitter. :)
> 
> http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/
> 
> http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/
> 
> I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just 
> won't have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new 
> news? The last I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no 
> longer going to be an option for described movies and TV shows.
> 
> Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
> Christina
> 
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Re: turning off the mac

[Christopher Hallsworth]

I do this as well.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 06/06/2014 19:42, matthew dyer wrote:

Hi,

I just press
control eject and the shut down box appears and i press enter and my iMac shuts 
down.  HTH.

Matthew

On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:22 AM, don bishop  wrote:


Hi All,

I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
into sleep mode.  Right?
If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.

Is one method any better than the other?

Thanks,
Don


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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Robert C]

   Then its neither here nor there. Its tough making choices but we 
have to do it daily on many things. I do without many things because my 
budget cannot stretch enough. If $25 a month is too much, perhaps you 
want to contact the good folks running the service and see if they will 
offer other plans. Whonose.


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On 6/6/2014 11:48 AM, Jessica D wrote:

I want it but not for $25 or more month.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Robert C  wrote:

   Its amusing and sad at the same time when folks state that they will not pay 
for something that used to be free. Free is not truly free, it will cost us 
somewhere sometime. If its not worth paying for something, we dont need to hear 
it for its a choice we all make.

   The same mindset came up when Taptapsee began charging for their service. It 
was amusing to see how many people said they would delete the app rather than 
pay for something that used to be free. They must not have really needed that 
app.

   If I want this DVS service bad enough, I will pay for it. I will just not 
pay for something else, like one cup less of coffee per week perhaps. LOL

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Patience is also a form of action.
--Auguste Rodin, sculptor (1840-1917)
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
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On 6/6/2014 11:00 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
Well, the other guys had a free service. Where are they now? I'll tell you 
where they are. they're broke! The unfortunate fact here is anyone offering a 
service like this, using apps, servers, etc. will have to have some kind of 
business model to keep them afloat. Hence someone has to pay for it some how. 
You can't always count on subsidies or grants to keep a business going. I 
assume this group has some people on staff working full or part time. Those 
people need to eat and pay rent...


On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Jessica D  wrote:

I will not pay for a subscription just to see a descriptive movie.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

That's right. they're toast!

This other group is picking up the charge but they will use new apps and all so Movie 
Reading is another orphaned app .


On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Christina C.  wrote:

Hello all,

I am confused.
I do not follow soloDX on twitter to know the latest. I don't use faceBook or 
twitter. :)

http://www.accessibilityhound.com/solo-dx/

http://serotalk.com/2014/04/28/high-contrast-episode-20-screen-dump/

I have not listened to the podcast yet. I will try to soon but I just won't 
have time until this weekend. Is this all old news or is it new news? The last 
I heard is that the movieReading app and SoloDX was no longer going to be an 
option for described movies and TV shows.

Thanks to anyone who can straighten out my confusion. :)
Christina

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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Christina C.]

So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I believe 
Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it includes the 
whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be wrong though. I am 
easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I just get lost. :)

Christina

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Re: VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this configuration?

[matthew dyer]

Hi Bill.

I have a vmware  machine  with windows 7 with we 8.4   using the window-eyes 
for office.  What are you wanting to know.

Matthew


On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> If so, I have a few questions about how you deal with certain WE isses.
> Bill
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Jessica D]

I think it includes the entire movie. But still, who wants to pay that much for 
a movie?

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I 
> believe Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it 
> includes the whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be wrong 
> though. I am easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I just 
> get lost. :)
> 
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Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on the Mac.

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I didn't, but it's okay. Luckily for me, the text doesn't have to be exactly 
like I had it the first time. I sure wish I knew how I deleted that table on 
the iPhone.
Sincerely,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gigi,
>  
> I can commensurate with you. When I was in grad school between 2005-2008, I 
> did the same thing. Unfortunately, when I always attempted to recreate what I 
> had deleted, it never came out the way it did the first time. I was using a 
> PC at the time and all of my problems existed because I would highlight some 
> text, but because it was probably in the wee hours, I didn’t move the cursor 
> off to deselect and save the doc without realizing that I had lost a file or 
> important text. Control-S (PC or Command-S (Mac) became my friend. I also 
> elected to check to make an automatic backup of any document. At least that 
> would save my buns if I repeated the stupid mistake. I really do feel for 
> you. I hope you can reconstruct the tables less than 2 hours.
>  
> Best,
> Eileen
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> Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 9:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Special request to all who are beta testing IOS8 especially on 
> the Mac.
>  
> Hi guys 
> I have another request for testing when some of you get around to it. I 
> discovered a very bad bug in Pages having to do with the iPhone and iCloud. 
> Don't do what I did or you can lose your files or parts thereof that are near 
> and dear to you heart. Part of this is a VoiceOver issue, and part is not. 
> Here is the disaster I created for myself. 
>  
> Last night I worked on a Pages file until 10 o'clock. I failed to press 
> command s, and this turned out to be a very bad decision. I made an even 
> worse decision this morning. This file had two tables in it. I decided to see 
> if tables would ok on the iPhone; they work great on the Mac these days. 
>  
> So, I fired up my iPhone in Pages. I was using the Focus 14 braille display 
> and discovered that I could get into a table, no prob, get into a cell, no 
> prob, but could not delete characters I wanted to take out with chord d. Then 
> in messing around somehow, and I still don't knowhow I did this, I erased one 
> of the tables. I tried to undo it, and it didn't work. 
>  
> So I went back to the Mac, and sure enough it was gone. Then I decided to see 
> if I could get an older version. That was when I found out that I couldn't 
> read with VoiceOver what my version choices were except for one, the one at 8 
> o'clock yesterday evening. I was hoping I had a later one, so I had to call 
> that 877 number again so the lady with Apple could look at my screen by 
> helping me to move the mouse without VoiceOver saying a word. She told me I 
> had three choices, none of which were at 10 o'clock last night. This meant I 
> had to do two hours work over. I also moved all my Pages files off the Cloud 
> so I can use my Time Machine backup for disasters. 
>  
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
>  
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:09 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree, we should be able to ask that a part of the OS to be tested for 
> accessibility. I for one hope airdrop is accessible. 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:31, "Littlefield, Tyler"  wrote:
> 
> Please do reread his post. He didn't say "please tell me what you're 
> testing," he said "If you're a tester, please look at this if you can because 
> it was unaccessible last time." Which anyone could do with no problems while 
> not disclosing any information about the beta itself.
> 
> Sent from my windows machine: the only fully accessible system without a vm!
> The constantly sock covered me: a very happy Windows, OSX and IPhone user!
> On 6/5/2014 10:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> Surely, as I believe you already know, Beta testers cannot tell what they are 
> testing or what the results of those tests are.  This we say time and time 
> and time again.
>  
>  
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>  
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello.
> 
> For those who are beta testing at the moment or when ever testing, please 
> test the new I Cloud as before when iCloud came out it wasn't very 
> accessible.  In my Opinion, if Cloud Drive is coming out then people may want 
> to use it on the web especially if one wants to get at a document as you'd 
> want to do this on the web as well on an I phone and a Mac.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Kawal.
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RE: VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this configuration?

[Bill Holton]

Hi.

I have a chronic problem when resuming the VM when Window-Eyes will start
reading the current clip and never stop or even allow interruptability until
I close WE and reopen it.  Is this something you experience?

Thanks.

 

 

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Subject: Re: VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this
configuration?

 

Hi Bill.

 

I have a vmware  machine  with windows 7 with we 8.4   using the window-eyes
for office.  What are you wanting to know.

 

Matthew

 

 

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If so, I have a few questions about how you deal with certain WE isses.

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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Christina C.]

Where did you get this info about the charges? I thought you all were saying 
it's $25 for a subscription but not $25 per movie. I  pay netflix like $10 or 
something like that for their streaming service but that does not include any 
newer or very popular movies. 
On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> I think it includes the entire movie. But still, who wants to pay that much 
> for a movie?
> 
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Robert C]

   Why dont you get the facts for us and give us accurate information. 
$25 per movie or $25 per month, unlimited etc etc etc.


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On 6/6/2014 12:00 PM, Jessica D wrote:

I think it includes the entire movie. But still, who wants to pay that much for 
a movie?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:57 PM, "Christina C."  wrote:

So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I believe 
Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it includes the 
whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be wrong though. I am 
easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I just get lost. :)

Christina

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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Jessica D]

It is $25 for six months of service. Here is the website.


http://igg.me/at/zagga

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:57 PM, "Christina C."  wrote:
> 
> So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I 
> believe Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it 
> includes the whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be wrong 
> though. I am easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I just 
> get lost. :)
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Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Robert C]

   Now that does not sound bad at all. That is about $4 a month.

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On 6/6/2014 12:26 PM, Jessica D wrote:

It is $25 for six months of service. Here is the website.


http://igg.me/at/zagga

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:57 PM, "Christina C."  wrote:

So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I believe 
Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it includes the 
whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be wrong though. I am 
easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I just get lost. :)

Christina

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Re: VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this configuration?

[matthew dyer]

No not at all.  I have not used my vm in a while.  i am not sure what is going 
on.


On Jun 6, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> Hi.
> I have a chronic problem when resuming the VM when Window-Eyes will start 
> reading the current clip and never stop or even allow interruptability until 
> I close WE and reopen it.  Is this something you experience?
> Thanks.
>  
>  
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VM Windows 7 and Window-eyes, anyone running this configuration?
>  
> Hi Bill.
>  
> I have a vmware  machine  with windows 7 with we 8.4   using the window-eyes 
> for office.  What are you wanting to know.
>  
> Matthew
>  
>  
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:
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> If so, I have a few questions about how you deal with certain WE isses.
> Bill
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Alex Hall]

Well, this is odd. Absolutely everything in the partition tab is dimmed, 
including the all-important “add” button. I don’t know if I did something, or 
if this is more evidence of drive problems, but I’m unable to add a partition. 
Did I miss a step, like erasing both existing partitions first?
On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, 
> the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, not 
> the already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and partition 
> your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name Macintosh 
> HD.  As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure that your HD 
> will have the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have one volume on 
> your drive with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the Mavericks Installer 
> from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be automatically created.
> 
> Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
>> articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
>> that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the 
>> only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase 
>> that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
>> automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not 
>> already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want to 
>> do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
>>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
>>> drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
>>> should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
>>> Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
>>> there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
>>> your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
>>> “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
>>> Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
>>> Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
>>> order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that 
>>> you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition 
>>> is not of any benefit.  Refer to
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
>>> 
>>> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
>>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
>>> over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
>>> 
>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are 
 you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
> etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
> Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
> then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
> select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK 
> in that area of the HD.  Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, 
> you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto whatever 
> me

Re: is soloDX finished or not?

[Christina C.]

$25 for six months is an excellent price. Ok, but I'm confused. I think I must 
have missed something in the email string. Have we been talking about Zagga the 
whole time and not soloDX? I thought the mention of the $25 was referring to 
soloDX?  Did zagga purchase soloDX? My original inquiry was about soloDX, 
particularly because I was curious about the movieReading app that seemed 
exciting but bombed out or something.

I am excited about Zagga and can't wait until it's rolled out for prime time 
though. :)

Christina
On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> It is $25 for six months of service. Here is the website.
> 
> 
> http://igg.me/at/zagga
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:57 PM, "Christina C."  wrote:
> 
>> So, is this $25 a month just to have access to the audio description? I 
>> believe Zagga Entertainment will be charging a subscription but I think it 
>> includes the whole movie and not just the descriptive track. I could be 
>> wrong though. I am easily confused. There are so many emails and frankly, I 
>> just get lost. :)
>> 
>> Christina
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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Very similar. Just turned off click to flash to play with it. The "Stop 
plug-ins to save power" checkbox in advanced by itself didn't seem to 
stop youtube from autoplaying. What did work was going to Security and 
then hitting the Manage Wesite Settings button next to the Allow Website 
Plug-ins checkbox. In there I could pick the Adobe Flash Player plugin 
and then set the "when visiting other websites" to Ask. That stopped 
Flash but then I couldn't find the video on the page at all. I seemed to 
skip right over it. ClickToFlash had each flash element show up as 
"Flash Clickable" with voiceover so I could make the video play but skip 
the ad. I also set the default media player in ClickToFlash to html5 and 
turned off "Load Media player automatically" so Youtube just sits there 
with an object called "HTML5 clickable". Somehow it gets some sites to 
switch to using html5 video.


CB

On 6/6/14, 2:12 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi Chris,

I could be off-base, but I believe that functionality may be built-in 
to the newer Safari installations.  In the Advance pane of Safari, 
there is a section called “Internet Plugins” and directly after it, 
there is a checkbox that reads something to the effect “Stop Plugins 
from Playing Automatically”.  I have it checked and, maybe that’s why 
it didn’t start auto-playing for me.  When this is set this way, a 
little button appears in Safari saying something about “Safari Power 
Saver, Click to Play”.  I believe that it will then add that address 
into the list of acceptable auto-play sites.


This may not be the same, but it sure sounds like it to me.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a 
good time to fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash 
installed on Safari. Pages load faster when Flash ads and videos 
aren't running and if you do want one you just action the spot and 
that particular flash widget is allowed to load. Details on this are 
in the email archives but if you want to get that set up and get 
stuck just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have to dig up the URLs 
and such.


CB

On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Steve,

I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never 
happened to me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, 
try a cmd-a to Select All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its 
Format menu and choose “Make Plain Text”, then paste in the stuff. 
 You can then read it without all the extraneous garbage.


Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes > wrote:


I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the 
damn site started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I 
stop them? It’s still babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I 
can close the window of Safari byt then I can’t read the article. I 
hate auto play. I can’t find any controls to stop the playback. 
This just sucks!


On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:



Hi Alex,

Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, 
after starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and 
re-partition your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any 
subsequent partitions should be done later on the live drive. 
 This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is created properly. 
 Not sure where the other individual got there info but this is 
sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable 
Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create 
Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the 
Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already 
existed in order to create a proper installation.  The problem in 
your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using the 
existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to


http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html

for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform 
a complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may 
have carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.


Hope this makes sense.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over 
to my external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just 
hung for about thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound 
I’ve come to dread. Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main 
partition won’t even boot.


As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how 
to format the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then 
install, the question is, what 

Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Downside of having no flash is some sites insist on using it to play 
video, so going 100% no flash can leave you with no video at all.


CB

On 6/6/14, 2:13 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

I never installed flash on my machine. Though click to flash maybe an 
interesting option  to look at. I just didn’t think it necessary if flash isn’t 
installed at all. Odd that I couldn’t find any controls to control playback. At 
least when Audio Boo does this, you can find the controls to start/stop playing.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:04 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Since most autoplaying stuff is still Flash based this might be a good time to 
fiddle with getting something like ClickToFlash installed on Safari. Pages load 
faster when Flash ads and videos aren't running and if you do want one you just 
action the spot and that particular flash widget is allowed to load. Details on 
this are in the email archives but if you want to get that set up and get stuck 
just ask. I did mine years ago so I'd have to dig up the URLs and such.

CB

On 6/6/14, 2:01 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Steve,

I’m not sure why or what started auto-playing for you.  It’s never happened to 
me on that page before.  If it keeps doing that to you, try a cmd-a to Select 
All on the page, go into TextEdit, up to its Format menu and choose “Make Plain 
Text”, then paste in the stuff.  You can then read it without all the 
extraneous garbage.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:


I like the article detailing how to build a bootable image but the damn site 
started up autoplaying other videos. How the hell do I stop them? It’s still 
babbling away while I’m writing this mail. I can close the window of Safari byt 
then I can’t read the article. I hate auto play. I can’t find any controls to 
stop the playback. This just sucks!

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


Hi Alex,

Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after starting 
up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your drive to one 
partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions should be done later 
on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is created 
properly.  Not sure where the other individual got there info but this is sound 
practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, 
on the thumb drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the 
Mavericks Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically 
created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must 
have already existed in order to create a proper installation.  The problem in 
your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing 
Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to

http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html

for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a complete 
wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried over thus 
any disk structure issues would have persisted.

Hope this makes sense.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:


Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my external 
hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about thirty seconds, 
while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. Still, it’s working, 
thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.

As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format the 
drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question is, what 
do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X Beta 
Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only the Macintosh 
HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that partition, but 
didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that completely erasing the 
Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are you saying that I should 
format the entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If I do that, won’t it 
affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer partition as necessary?
On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


Hi,

For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions etc., 
you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  Regarding 
grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, then go under it’s 
Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 beta 
partition as your startup disk.  if things are OK in that area of the HD.  Once 
you’ve started with that version of the OS, you could quickly get the files you 
want and place them onto whatever media you want.  You could then go ahead and 
do the total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive.  
It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be d

Re: Where do I go to read system dialogues?

[Edward Green]

Hi Jenine,

It should appear in the list if you press VO F1 twice quickly.  If it doesn't, 
try VO F2 twice quickly.

Cheers,

Ed
On 5 Jun 2014, at 20:25, Jenine Stanley  wrote:

> My MBP says I have 1 system dialogue but I don't know where to go to read it. 
> Any help would be hugely appreciated.   
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
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Planning to install windows 7 on my mac using bootcamp

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

before i try  to install windows 7 on my mac, i would like to know about more 
into partitioning. do i need to partition it into ntfs? or can i do it onother 
format? so that i still manage all my files at the same time on mac and windows.

can i use an cracked windows installer on bootcamp? cause i dont have an 
original  one. because it would be so expensive if i'll buy one and purchase 
another screen reading software like JAWS.. 
t
That's all for now.

thanks
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Re: Planning to install windows 7 on my mac using bootcamp

[Phil Halton]

You'd best read the bootcamp utility guide pdf that you can download through 
the utility itself. it'll tell you all the dirty little details.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

> before i try  to install windows 7 on my mac, i would like to know about more 
> into partitioning. do i need to partition it into ntfs? or can i do it 
> onother format? so that i still manage all my files at the same time on mac 
> and windows.
> 
> can i use an cracked windows installer on bootcamp? cause i dont have an 
> original  one. because it would be so expensive if i'll buy one and purchase 
> another screen reading software like JAWS.. 
> t
> That's all for now.
> 
> thanks
> Dionipher
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No Pitch Change when Backspacing with Alex

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi everyone, this one isn't really a show stopper, but it's a little annoying 
and now that I've noticed it, I'm kind of challenged by the seeming randomness 
of it.
I'm not the biggest fan of the Alex voice, but over the last few days I've been 
using it to see if more use will cause it to grow on me. I have VO set up to 
raise the pitch for capital letters. This morning, when I was backspacing over 
some characters, I noticed that Alex wasn't raising the pitch of uppercase 
letters. At first I was worried that my keyboard was developing a hardware 
fault, but then I found that when I was arrowing around, the pitch was in fact 
raised correctly. I have my keyboard echo set to off, but when I enabled it, 
again I found that as I type, pitch is raised as expected, but only when I 
backspace over characters is there no pitch change.
I tried the same thing on my fiancee's Mac, and when backspacing over 
characters, it all worked fine. One difference is that on her Mac, she has it 
speak the word "delete" prior to deleting something and I don't.
So...I exported my VO preferences, and reset everything to defaults from the 
File Menu of the VO utility. This sets everything back to how it came out of 
the factory, keyboard echo, high verbosity, the lot. And still I don't get a 
pitch change when I backspace over uppercase letters.
Does anyone have any clue what might be going on? It's not so bad that I'd want 
to do a clean install of the whole OS or anything like that, but as I say it's 
a tiny nuisance and now it's got me curious.
Thanks.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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Re: No Pitch Change when Backspacing with Alex

[alia robinson]

I don't think it ever has indicated that they are uppercase when you backspace, 
but really I don't care, but wait I just tried it on mine, and the pitch 
changed. hmm, that is weird. I have my delete set to tones, you might try that. 

Alia
On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> the factory, keyboard echo, high verbosity, the lot. And still I don't get a 
> pitch change when I backspace over uppercase letters.
> Does anyone have any clue what might be going on? It's not so bad that I'd 
> want to do a clean install of the whole OS or anything like that, but as I 
> say it's a tiny nuisance and now it's got me curious.

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Re: No Pitch Change when Backspacing with Alex

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Alia, you are a genius! A genius! I think I Understand what was happening 
now. My "when deleting text" option was set to change pitch, so this 
counteracted the pitch change of the upper case letter.
So setting it to play tone did the job. Thanks a lot.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 7/06/2014, at 11:25 am, alia robinson  wrote:

> I don't think it ever has indicated that they are uppercase when you 
> backspace, but really I don't care, but wait I just tried it on mine, and the 
> pitch changed. hmm, that is weird. I have my delete set to tones, you might 
> try that. 
> 
> Alia
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> the factory, keyboard echo, high verbosity, the lot. And still I don't get a 
>> pitch change when I backspace over uppercase letters.
>> Does anyone have any clue what might be going on? It's not so bad that I'd 
>> want to do a clean install of the whole OS or anything like that, but as I 
>> say it's a tiny nuisance and now it's got me curious.
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Re: No Pitch Change when Backspacing with Alex

[alia robinson]

Yes, that makes perfect sense, glad this helped. 

Alia
On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Hi Alia, you are a genius! A genius! I think I Understand what was happening 
> now. My "when deleting text" option was set to change pitch, so this 
> counteracted the pitch change of the upper case letter.
> So setting it to play tone did the job. Thanks a lot.

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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Alex,

Sorry I was so slow at responding.  I was fighting with a Server this afternoon 
and the battle isn’t won yet.  Anyway, those things are immaterial to your 
issues.  You don’t need to use the “Add” button at all.  Unless I’m 
misunderstanding you in some way, do things in this order:

• start up from your thumb drive.
• choose the Disk Utility option.
• select the drive in your Mini, should be listed as capacity followed by 
manufacturer.  (eg.  1 TB WDC)
• press once on the Partition tab.
• press on the “Current" pop-up and set to one.
• make sure the format is MacOS Extended (Journaled).
• enter “Macintosh HD” for the name.
• press the Options button.  Make sure GUID is selected.
• press the Apply button.

Your drive will now be totally wiped removing any old partitions and creating a 
drive with volume “Macintosh HD” as a single partitioned drive.

• quit Disk Utility.
• choose Install MacOS X from the table and press Continue.
• follow the prompts to install Mavericks.

Let it do its thing.  It will restart and continue with the install then ask 
you to start filling in Apple ID info and such.  If you wish to create a new 
partition after the installation for other OS installations, go back into Disk 
Utility and use the Add button from there.  Remember, you need to be on the 
actual drive, not a named volume in order to do live partitioning.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Well, this is odd. Absolutely everything in the partition tab is dimmed, 
> including the all-important “add” button. I don’t know if I did something, or 
> if this is more evidence of drive problems, but I’m unable to add a 
> partition. Did I miss a step, like erasing both existing partitions first?
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, 
>> the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, not 
>> the already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and 
>> partition your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name 
>> Macintosh HD.  As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure 
>> that your HD will have the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have 
>> one volume on your drive with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the 
>> Mavericks Installer from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be 
>> automatically created.
>> 
>> Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
>>> articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
>>> that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the 
>>> only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase 
>>> that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
>>> automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does 
>>> not already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want 
>>> to do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
 starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
 drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
 should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the 
 Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other 
 individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
 DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
 drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
 Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically created. 
  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must 
 have already existed in order to create a proper installation.  The 
 problem in your case is that you need to do a total re-format, so, using 
 the existing Recovery Partition is not of any benefit.  Refer to
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
 
 for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
 complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have 
 carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder 

Activities

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Just lately started playing with Activities.  So, whenever I go into the app 
that I attached the Activity to, VO announces "blah blah activity" and 
"VoiceOver settings activity" when exiting.  This includes when I cmd-tab in 
and out of the app.  Is there a way to stop this extra verbosity?  There's 
likely logic behind it, but I don't care for it.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Alex Hall]

That’s the problem, though, that popup button is dimmed, so I cannot select 
anything. I only see “current” once, and it is just text; the popup to the 
right of it is dimmed, not letting me select anything. I’m on my main drive 
(500gb Hitachi).
On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> Sorry I was so slow at responding.  I was fighting with a Server this 
> afternoon and the battle isn’t won yet.  Anyway, those things are immaterial 
> to your issues.  You don’t need to use the “Add” button at all.  Unless I’m 
> misunderstanding you in some way, do things in this order:
> 
> • start up from your thumb drive.
> • choose the Disk Utility option.
> • select the drive in your Mini, should be listed as capacity followed by 
> manufacturer.  (eg.  1 TB WDC)
> • press once on the Partition tab.
> • press on the “Current" pop-up and set to one.
> • make sure the format is MacOS Extended (Journaled).
> • enter “Macintosh HD” for the name.
> • press the Options button.  Make sure GUID is selected.
> • press the Apply button.
> 
> Your drive will now be totally wiped removing any old partitions and creating 
> a drive with volume “Macintosh HD” as a single partitioned drive.
> 
> • quit Disk Utility.
> • choose Install MacOS X from the table and press Continue.
> • follow the prompts to install Mavericks.
> 
> Let it do its thing.  It will restart and continue with the install then ask 
> you to start filling in Apple ID info and such.  If you wish to create a new 
> partition after the installation for other OS installations, go back into 
> Disk Utility and use the Add button from there.  Remember, you need to be on 
> the actual drive, not a named volume in order to do live partitioning.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Well, this is odd. Absolutely everything in the partition tab is dimmed, 
>> including the all-important “add” button. I don’t know if I did something, 
>> or if this is more evidence of drive problems, but I’m unable to add a 
>> partition. Did I miss a step, like erasing both existing partitions first?
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, 
>>> the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, 
>>> not the already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and 
>>> partition your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name 
>>> Macintosh HD.  As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure 
>>> that your HD will have the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have 
>>> one volume on your drive with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the 
>>> Mavericks Installer from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be 
>>> automatically created.
>>> 
>>> Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
 articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
 that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the 
 only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase 
 that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
 automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does 
 not already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I 
 want to do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your 
 patience.
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition 
> your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent 
> partitions should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that 
> the Recovery Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other 
> individual got there info but this is sound practice.  If you used 
> DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb 
> drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks 
> Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically 
> created.  If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery 
> Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper 
> installation.  The problem in your case is that you need to do a total 
> re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any 
> benefit.  Refer to
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
> 
> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 

Double tap not opening mail messages?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I'm still on the MBA for now I prefer it, in fact, by I'm not supposed to use 
it for personal use. Anyway, I noticed that when I double tap a message in 
Mail, it does not open. A menu of some kind comes up, even when I've interacted 
with the messages table. Pressing enter opens messages, so I figured a double 
tap would do the same thing. I wonder why it doesn't?

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Re: Any final suggestions for my Mini's hard drive?

[Alex Hall]

I was going off memory earlier, so misspoke a bit. I see “current, partition 
format, popup button, but it is dimmed. The table is not dimmed, and neither 
are the five tabs, but every other control in the Partitions Tab screen is 
unusable for some reason. Also, don’t worry about taking a while to get back to 
me; I avoid all website work for just the reason you described.  I’m 
just glad for the help; as I said, the nearest Apple Store is hours away, and 
this machine isn’t covered anyway.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive.  That is, 
> the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, not 
> the already partitioned volumes.  Then, go to the Partition tab and partition 
> your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name Macintosh 
> HD.  As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure that your HD 
> will have the GUID schema.  Apply this change and you’ll have one volume on 
> your drive with name “Macintosh HD”.  When you run the Mavericks Installer 
> from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be automatically created.
> 
> Hope this is clearer.  Sorry for any confusion.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” 
>> articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply 
>> that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the 
>> only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase 
>> that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will 
>> automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not 
>> already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I want to 
>> do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your patience.
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD.  That is, after 
>>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition your 
>>> drive to one partition named Macintosh HD.  Any subsequent partitions 
>>> should be done later on the live drive.  This will ensure that the Recovery 
>>> Partition is created properly.  Not sure where the other individual got 
>>> there info but this is sound practice.  If you used DiskMaker X to create 
>>> your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the built-in 
>>> “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks Installer, then a proper 
>>> Recovery Partition will be automatically created.  If you used the Disk 
>>> Utility method, then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in 
>>> order to create a proper installation.  The problem in your case is that 
>>> you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition 
>>> is not of any benefit.  Refer to
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html
>>> 
>>> for info on these limitations.  In addition, if you didn’t perform a 
>>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have carried 
>>> over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted.
>>> 
>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my 
 external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about 
 thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. 
 Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot.
 
 As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to format 
 the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the question 
 is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh HD and one 
 OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in March, I had only 
 the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that 
 partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told me that 
 completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could turn out badly. Are 
 you saying that I should format the entire drive, wiping out both 
 partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect the installation of the OS, or 
 will the installer partition as necessary?
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions 
> etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway.  
> Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, 
> then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to 
> select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your

Skype for Mac

[Lee Jones]

Dear List, I have installed skype on my mac, but I can't figure out how to 
accept a contact request.  I can't find my list of contacts.  I've been through 
all the menus and I can't find a shortcut to answer a call.  How do you do this?

Many Thanks, Lee 

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Re: Skype for Mac

[Alex Hall]

There's a table on the far left; interact with it, vi-down to "recent", and 
under that you will find any pending contact requests. When you get a call, a 
dialog appears; pressing enter will answer it. To hang up, go to the Skype app 
and use cmd-shift-h, and cmd-shift-m to toggle the mute status of your 
microphone on and off.
On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Lee Jones  wrote:

> Dear List, I have installed skype on my mac, but I can't figure out how to 
> accept a contact request.  I can't find my list of contacts.  I've been 
> through all the menus and I can't find a shortcut to answer a call.  How do 
> you do this?
> 
> Many Thanks, Lee 
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Re: Skype for Mac

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi,
Further to what Alex has said, you can see your list of contacts by interacting 
with the table on the left, focusing on contacts, uninteract and move to the 
right with vo right arrow. Keep doing this until you find your list of 
contacts. That's how I do it anyway. 
There's no short cut for answering a call which is a shame, but there is for 
hanging up (command shift h).

Lisette

On 7/06/2014, at 12:50 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:

> There's a table on the far left; interact with it, vi-down to "recent", and 
> under that you will find any pending contact requests. When you get a call, a 
> dialog appears; pressing enter will answer it. To hang up, go to the Skype 
> app and use cmd-shift-h, and cmd-shift-m to toggle the mute status of your 
> microphone on and off.
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Lee Jones  wrote:
> 
>> Dear List, I have installed skype on my mac, but I can't figure out how to 
>> accept a contact request.  I can't find my list of contacts.  I've been 
>> through all the menus and I can't find a shortcut to answer a call.  How do 
>> you do this?
>> 
>> Many Thanks, Lee 
>> 
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Re: Can't find splitter to drag to close Mail preview pane

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Reggie,

The preview pane in Mail is where the body of a message is displayed 
automatically when you navigate to a message. When the preview pane is showing, 
you can't navigate past a message without opening it and some of us don't like 
this behaviour at all. If the preview pane is removed, you have to press Return 
to open a message, but you can choose to skip over a message and go to the next 
one and the skipped message will still be marked as Unread.

I explained in an earlier message how to get rid of the preview pane.

Cheers,

Anne


On 6 Jun 2014, at 19:39, Regina Alvarado  wrote:

> Asking a dumb question. What is the mail preview payne? How do I get rid of 
> it, and if I do, what is the difference in how I would read mail?
> 
> 
> reggie and Allegra

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Re: Skype for Mac

[Jonathan Mosen]

The command to answer a call is Command+Shift+R. This will also initiate a call 
on the focussed contact if you use it when there's no incoming call.
Skype for Mac is absolutely packed with keyboard shortcuts. The full list is 
here:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12074/what-keyboard-shortcuts-can-i-use-with-skype-for-mac-os-x
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On 7/06/2014, at 1:32 pm, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:

> Hi,
> Further to what Alex has said, you can see your list of contacts by 
> interacting with the table on the left, focusing on contacts, uninteract and 
> move to the right with vo right arrow. Keep doing this until you find your 
> list of contacts. That's how I do it anyway. 
> There's no short cut for answering a call which is a shame, but there is for 
> hanging up (command shift h).
> 
> Lisette
> 
> On 7/06/2014, at 12:50 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> There's a table on the far left; interact with it, vi-down to "recent", and 
>> under that you will find any pending contact requests. When you get a call, 
>> a dialog appears; pressing enter will answer it. To hang up, go to the Skype 
>> app and use cmd-shift-h, and cmd-shift-m to toggle the mute status of your 
>> microphone on and off.
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Lee Jones  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear List, I have installed skype on my mac, but I can't figure out how to 
>>> accept a contact request.  I can't find my list of contacts.  I've been 
>>> through all the menus and I can't find a shortcut to answer a call.  How do 
>>> you do this?
>>> 
>>> Many Thanks, Lee 
>>> 
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Re: Activities

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Tim,

I'm not sure about this but I certainly don't get these announcements. Have a 
look at what you have set for "When status changes" in VO 
Utility/Verbosity/Announcements. I have it set to "Play tone".

Cheers,

Anne


On 7 Jun 2014, at 01:53, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just lately started playing with Activities.  So, whenever I go into the app 
> that I attached the Activity to, VO announces "blah blah activity" and 
> "VoiceOver settings activity" when exiting.  This includes when I cmd-tab in 
> and out of the app.  Is there a way to stop this extra verbosity?  There's 
> likely logic behind it, but I don't care for it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
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Re: Skype for Mac

[Terje Strømberg]

And after interacting with the table to the left, you can use vo + j to jump 
between three windows(more like areas). For example if you are in an chat 
conversation with Madonna, you can jump from Madonna to chat history with 
Madonna to text edit wtih Madonna to back to Madonna in the table to the left 
where you have fks. contacts and favorites et cetera. But, you have to interact 
with the table first.

Mvh
 
7. juni 2014 kl. 07:13 skrev Jonathan Mosen :

The command to answer a call is Command+Shift+R. This will also initiate a call 
on the focussed contact if you use it when there's no incoming call.
Skype for Mac is absolutely packed with keyboard shortcuts. The full list is 
here:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12074/what-keyboard-shortcuts-can-i-use-with-skype-for-mac-os-x
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On 7/06/2014, at 1:32 pm, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:

> Hi,
> Further to what Alex has said, you can see your list of contacts by 
> interacting with the table on the left, focusing on contacts, uninteract and 
> move to the right with vo right arrow. Keep doing this until you find your 
> list of contacts. That's how I do it anyway. 
> There's no short cut for answering a call which is a shame, but there is for 
> hanging up (command shift h).
> 
> Lisette
> 
> On 7/06/2014, at 12:50 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> There's a table on the far left; interact with it, vi-down to "recent", and 
>> under that you will find any pending contact requests. When you get a call, 
>> a dialog appears; pressing enter will answer it. To hang up, go to the Skype 
>> app and use cmd-shift-h, and cmd-shift-m to toggle the mute status of your 
>> microphone on and off.
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Lee Jones  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear List, I have installed skype on my mac, but I can't figure out how to 
>>> accept a contact request.  I can't find my list of contacts.  I've been 
>>> through all the menus and I can't find a shortcut to answer a call.  How do 
>>> you do this?
>>> 
>>> Many Thanks, Lee 
>>> 
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