Re: iMud has been submitted to the mac app store

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

What is I Mud?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Dec 2013, at 04:58 am, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Ah, thanks. I shall expect much for that cost, like detailed, high quality 
> sound packs for popular muds such as alter aeon, mirioni, and so on. I really 
> can't wait to try them! Also, for the iOs version, have the sound packs 
> optional, so that the user could download the soundpacks required.
> Sent from my braille plus 18
> 
> Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
>> The mac version is the one to expect before the end of january. The iOS 
>> version is quite a ways off. Both will cost $5
>>> On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I meant, about the mac version. I have around $40 or so, and would 
>>> love to start playing alter aeon again, with soundpacks and whatever else 
>>> is in iMud.
>>> Sent from my braille plus 18
>>> 
>>> Tyler Thompson  wrote:
>>> 
 I expect iMud will be released on the app store before the end of January, 
 I can’t give a lot of information past that, iTunes connect is down until 
 the 28th of December I’ll keep trying after that. I’ve cleared up all 
 issues that were found with the app so It should get through the review 
 process.
 
 
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Any news on this?
> 
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:02:56 PM UTC-6, Tyler wrote:
> it’ll be $4.99 
> On Nov 27, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater  wrote: 
> 
>> How much will it cost? 
>> Sent from my braille plus 18 
>> 
>> Tyler Thompson  wrote: 
>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> 
>>>   For those of you who helped me beta test iMud (the accessible MUD 
>>> client) and for those who are interested iMud has been submitted to the 
>>> mac app store! I haven’t heard yet whether they’re actually going to be 
>>> putting it on but the bulk of the work has been done and it’s  a fully 
>>> functional client (even in mavericks). I’ll keep everybody posted on 
>>> whether it gets accepted or rejected 
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Re: Setting up my wife's iPad

[Chris H]

Hi
just double tap on the language, the first setup screen will appear.

Best wishes for Christmas and 2014 Chris

On 23/12/2013 00:44, Agent086b wrote:

Hi all,
when trying to set up this iPad I am stuck.
I get to a screen that will go through the language options. I don’t know how 
to select the one I want and then slide to setup.
Please could anybody give me just a start?
Thanks for any help.
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Re: a question about zoom in Mavericks

[Terje Strømberg]

I use ZoomText. Works fine on mac. Try a trial version.

Don`t know how well Zooms is working. I am used to ZoomText from Windows and 
like it.

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Re: cannot open disclosure triangles to view conversations in mail

[Terje Strømberg]

Same here from time to time. The only thing i found that works so far, is to 
restart the computer. Fortunately this error don`t occur every day.

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Not go to sleep

[Terje Strømberg]

Hi

In system preferences, save current, i have chosen to "never" go to sleep and 
the screen "never" to go to sleep. Still…..it goes to sleep every 15 minutes or 
so. Any suggestion for a fix?

Setting the computer and screen to go to sleep every 3 our don't help either. 
Goes to sleep anyway.

Have heard Voice Over mention something about saving current in Safari. Some 
kind of Safari saving current app, but can't find anything about this in Safari.

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Re: cannot open disclosure triangles to view conversations in mail

[Jessica D]

It does for me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2013, at 5:52 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
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> Same here from time to time. The only thing i found that works so far, is to 
> restart the computer. Fortunately this error don`t occur every day.
> 
> Take care
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Re: renaming my home folder

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

Why would you do that? Perhaps you should read this:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1428?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

You should create a new account with the name you desire. It would be a good 
idea to read up before trashing an OS.

Gena


On 23 Dec 2013, at 06:57, Andrew Head  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I named my home folder on my mac with my name, but somehow the folder name 
> was joined together. so instead of “Andrew Head” 
> it is now “andrewhead” 
> I tried pressing enter to rename it, but that doesn’t work.
> how can I rename it? 
> Thanks in advance and I hope everyone has a very happy christmas 
> Andrew 
> Sent from my 11 inch macbook air
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Re: cannot open disclosure triangles to view conversations in mail

[Alex Hall]

One thing I find works is to turn VO off, right arrow until the message opens 
(try moving up and down to re-focus on the conversation if necessary) and then 
turn VO back on. This rarely happens to me, but doing the above always fixes it 
and is much easier than a restart.
On Dec 23, 2013, at 6:35 AM, Jessica D  wrote:

> It does for me.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 5:52 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Same here from time to time. The only thing i found that works so far, is to 
>> restart the computer. Fortunately this error don`t occur every day.
>> 
>> Take care
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iphone protection and keyboard

[William Windels]

hello,
since I have a keyboard from boxwave attached to my iphone5, there seems no 
option anymore to put my iphone in a cover so that the screen is also protected.
are here perhaps people that know about a protection for the screen of the 
iphone5 while the phone stays in the keyboard holder?

any hints are very welcome

thx in advance for the suggestions.


Mvg
william Windels

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

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Re: iMud has been submitted to the mac app store

[Tyler Thompson]

Rest assured I have MSP (Mud Sound Protocol) support and I have worked with 
developers from many popular MUDs to make the client as great as possible. The 
$5 is a one time payment, there are no in-app purchases or special costs for 
upgrades to the client. 

Don’t overestimate the client, it won’t be as good as some of the windows 
clients that have been around for years on it’s release date. It is however 
already the only truly accessible client I’ve seen for OSX and I will continue 
to work to make it better as time goes on.

On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Ah, thanks. I shall expect much for that cost, like detailed, high quality 
> sound packs for popular muds such as alter aeon, mirioni, and so on. I really 
> can't wait to try them! Also, for the iOs version, have the sound packs 
> optional, so that the user could download the soundpacks required.
> Sent from my braille plus 18
> 
> Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
>> The mac version is the one to expect before the end of january. The iOS 
>> version is quite a ways off. Both will cost $5
>> On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, I meant, about the mac version. I have around $40 or so, and would 
>>> love to start playing alter aeon again, with soundpacks and whatever else 
>>> is in iMud.
>>> Sent from my braille plus 18
>>> 
>>> Tyler Thompson  wrote:
>>> 
 I expect iMud will be released on the app store before the end of January, 
 I can’t give a lot of information past that, iTunes connect is down until 
 the 28th of December I’ll keep trying after that. I’ve cleared up all 
 issues that were found with the app so It should get through the review 
 process.
 
 
 On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
> Any news on this?
> 
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:02:56 PM UTC-6, Tyler wrote:
> it’ll be $4.99 
> On Nov 27, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater  wrote: 
> 
>> How much will it cost? 
>> Sent from my braille plus 18 
>> 
>> Tyler Thompson  wrote: 
>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> 
>>>   For those of you who helped me beta test iMud (the accessible MUD 
>>> client) and for those who are interested iMud has been submitted to the 
>>> mac app store! I haven’t heard yet whether they’re actually going to be 
>>> putting it on but the bulk of the work has been done and it’s  a fully 
>>> functional client (even in mavericks). I’ll keep everybody posted on 
>>> whether it gets accepted or rejected 
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Re: iMud has been submitted to the mac app store

[Tyler Thompson]

iMud is a MUD client allowing blind and sighted users to connect to various 
text based games.


On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:36 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> What is I Mud?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2013, at 04:58 am, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, thanks. I shall expect much for that cost, like detailed, high quality 
>> sound packs for popular muds such as alter aeon, mirioni, and so on. I 
>> really can't wait to try them! Also, for the iOs version, have the sound 
>> packs optional, so that the user could download the soundpacks required.
>> Sent from my braille plus 18
>> 
>> Tyler Thompson  wrote:
>> 
>>> The mac version is the one to expect before the end of january. The iOS 
>>> version is quite a ways off. Both will cost $5
 On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 Well, I meant, about the mac version. I have around $40 or so, and would 
 love to start playing alter aeon again, with soundpacks and whatever else 
 is in iMud.
 Sent from my braille plus 18
 
 Tyler Thompson  wrote:
 
> I expect iMud will be released on the app store before the end of 
> January, I can’t give a lot of information past that, iTunes connect is 
> down until the 28th of December I’ll keep trying after that. I’ve cleared 
> up all issues that were found with the app so It should get through the 
> review process.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Any news on this?
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:02:56 PM UTC-6, Tyler wrote:
>> it’ll be $4.99 
>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater  wrote: 
>> 
>>> How much will it cost? 
>>> Sent from my braille plus 18 
>>> 
>>> Tyler Thompson  wrote: 
>>> 
 Hello, 
 
  For those of you who helped me beta test iMud (the accessible MUD 
 client) and for those who are interested iMud has been submitted to 
 the mac app store! I haven’t heard yet whether they’re actually going 
 to be putting it on but the bulk of the work has been done and it’s  a 
 fully functional client (even in mavericks). I’ll keep everybody 
 posted on whether it gets accepted or rejected 
 
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Drop Box on the I Phone.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

I have drop box on my I phone but when I open the App (as I havenen't used it 
for a long time) it will not let me sign in. It's stuck on the welcome screen. 
How has anyone else got round that?

Thanks. 

Kawal.

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Reading iBooks on the mac using braille display

[Andrew Lamanche]

Listers,

I have a usb braille display, focus 40 which I connect to my macbook air. It’s 
quite old - I bought it in 2004. I was wondering whether it would be possible 
to read iBooks I purchase from iBooks store via iTunes using this Braille 
display. If so, how would I go about it? I know I can’t use it with the iPad or 
iPhone because it has no bluetooth. But I wonder whether I could use it to read 
iBooks on my macbook air. Also, I’ve been trying to locate my iBooks on the 
hard drive. I can’t find the folder where they would have been stored. I know 
that music and audiobooks are stored in the iTunes media folder but my iBooks 
are not there. Any ideas?

Thanks for any tips. 

Andrew

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Re: iMud has been submitted to the mac app store

[Mike Arrigo]

You may want to consider offering the app directly if you don't want to 
deal with Apple's restrictions and taking too long to approve it.

Original message:
I expect iMud will be released on the app store before the end of 
January, I can’t give a lot of information past that, iTunes connect is 
down until the 28th of December I’ll keep trying after that. I’ve 
cleared up all issues that were found with the app so It should get 
through the review process.



On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Devin Prater > wrote:




Any news on this?



On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:02:56 PM UTC-6, Tyler wrote:



it’ll be $4.99
On Nov 27, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater > wrote:



How much will it cost?
Sent from my braille plus 18



Tyler Thompson > wrote:



Hello,


For those of you who helped me beta test iMud (the accessible MUD 
client) and for those who are interested iMud has been submitted to the 
mac app store! I haven’t heard yet whether they’re actually going to be 
putting it on but the bulk of the work has been done and it’s a fully 
functional client (even in mavericks). I’ll keep everybody posted on 
whether it gets accepted or rejected



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Re: iMud has been submitted to the mac app store

[Tyler Thompson]

I’ve considered it but post-release it’s much easier to have it automatically 
update through the app store than trying to authenticate versions with a server 
and prompt the user to update constantly. Then having to deal with feedback 
from different versions etc… It’s still on the “maybe” list but the issue they 
found with the client is minor and already fixed, so we will see.
On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> You may want to consider offering the app directly if you don't want to deal 
> with Apple's restrictions and taking too long to approve it.
> Original message:
>> I expect iMud will be released on the app store before the end of January, I 
>> can’t give a lot of information past that, iTunes connect is down until the 
>> 28th of December I’ll keep trying after that. I’ve cleared up all issues 
>> that were found with the app so It should get through the review process.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Devin Prater > > wrote:
> 
> 
>> Any news on this?
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:02:56 PM UTC-6, Tyler wrote:
> 
>> it’ll be $4.99
>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater > 
>> wrote:
> 
>>> How much will it cost?
>>> Sent from my braille plus 18
> 
>>> Tyler Thompson > wrote:
> 
 Hello,
> 
 For those of you who helped me beta test iMud (the accessible MUD client) 
 and for those who are interested iMud has been submitted to the mac app 
 store! I haven’t heard yet whether they’re actually going to be putting it 
 on but the bulk of the work has been done and it’s a fully functional 
 client (even in mavericks). I’ll keep everybody posted on whether it gets 
 accepted or rejected
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Re: Drop Box on the I Phone.

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

you do either a 3 finger swipe up or, a 3 finger swipe left until you reach the 
last page and can double tap the finish/done button.  Sorry I can’t be more 
exact, I haven’t set up dropbox on IOS in a long time.

Ricardo Walker
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On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> I have drop box on my I phone but when I open the App (as I havenen't used it 
> for a long time) it will not let me sign in. It's stuck on the welcome 
> screen. How has anyone else got round that?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Drop Box on the I Phone.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks Ricardo. That worked. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Dec 2013, at 03:48 pm, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> you do either a 3 finger swipe up or, a 3 finger swipe left until you reach 
> the last page and can double tap the finish/done button.  Sorry I can’t be 
> more exact, I haven’t set up dropbox on IOS in a long time.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> I have drop box on my I phone but when I open the App (as I havenen't used 
>> it for a long time) it will not let me sign in. It's stuck on the welcome 
>> screen. How has anyone else got round that?
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
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Re: Not go to sleep

[Teresa Cochran]

Yes, if your're using Mavericks, go to Energy saver in system preferences 
energy saver. Uncheck the box that says "put hard disks to sleep when 
possible. Also, move the slider to "never".


HtH,
Teresa

Wishing everyone a joyous holiday season and a happy New Year!

On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Terje Strømberg wrote:


Hi

In system preferences, save current, i have chosen to "never" go to sleep and the screen 
"never" to go to sleep. Still…..it goes to sleep every 15 minutes or so. Any suggestion 
for a fix?

Setting the computer and screen to go to sleep every 3 our don't help either. 
Goes to sleep anyway.

Have heard Voice Over mention something about saving current in Safari. Some 
kind of Safari saving current app, but can't find anything about this in Safari.

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Re: cannot open disclosure triangles to view conversations in mail

[Teresa Cochran]

VO-backslash will open disclosure triangles when VO is focused on them. 
Also, you can do the VO-mouse-click (VO-shift-space) or VO-space to have 
VO activate them.


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Re: iMud has been submitted to the mac app store

[Mike Arrigo]

I know that they place several restrictions on what you can and cannot 
do to have your app in the app store. I've also read that some 
developers do not use the app store because they want the freedom to 
develop their app without Apple playing big brother. Sounds like their 
restrictions did not cause you too many problems though.

Original message:
I’ve considered it but post-release it’s much easier to have it 
automatically update through the app store than trying to authenticate 
versions with a server and prompt the user to update constantly. Then 
having to deal with feedback from different versions etc… It’s still on 
the “maybe” list but the issue they found with the client is minor and 
already fixed, so we will see.

On Dec 23, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


You may want to consider offering the app directly if you don't want to 
deal with Apple's restrictions and taking too long to approve it.

Original message:
I expect iMud will be released on the app store before the end of 
January, I can’t give a lot of information past that, iTunes connect is 
down until the 28th of December I’ll keep trying after that. I’ve 
cleared up all issues that were found with the app so It should get 
through the review process.



On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Devin Prater > wrote:




Any news on this?



On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:02:56 PM UTC-6, Tyler wrote:



it’ll be $4.99
On Nov 27, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater > wrote:



How much will it cost?
Sent from my braille plus 18



Tyler Thompson > wrote:



Hello,


For those of you who helped me beta test iMud (the accessible MUD 
client) and for those who are interested iMud has been submitted to the 
mac app store! I haven’t heard yet whether they’re actually going to be 
putting it on but the bulk of the work has been done and it’s a fully 
functional client (even in mavericks). I’ll keep everybody posted on 
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Re: iMud has been submitted to the mac app store

[Shannon Dyer]

Thanks for all your work on this. Mudding is a favorite passtime of mine, and I 
look forward to trying out this client.

Shannon
On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Tyler Thompson  wrote:

> Rest assured I have MSP (Mud Sound Protocol) support and I have worked with 
> developers from many popular MUDs to make the client as great as possible. 
> The $5 is a one time payment, there are no in-app purchases or special costs 
> for upgrades to the client. 
> 
> Don’t overestimate the client, it won’t be as good as some of the windows 
> clients that have been around for years on it’s release date. It is however 
> already the only truly accessible client I’ve seen for OSX and I will 
> continue to work to make it better as time goes on.
> 
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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>> Ah, thanks. I shall expect much for that cost, like detailed, high quality 
>> sound packs for popular muds such as alter aeon, mirioni, and so on. I 
>> really can't wait to try them! Also, for the iOs version, have the sound 
>> packs optional, so that the user could download the soundpacks required.
>> Sent from my braille plus 18
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>> Tyler Thompson  wrote:
>> 
>>> The mac version is the one to expect before the end of january. The iOS 
>>> version is quite a ways off. Both will cost $5
>>> On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
 Well, I meant, about the mac version. I have around $40 or so, and would 
 love to start playing alter aeon again, with soundpacks and whatever else 
 is in iMud.
 Sent from my braille plus 18
 
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> I expect iMud will be released on the app store before the end of 
> January, I can’t give a lot of information past that, iTunes connect is 
> down until the 28th of December I’ll keep trying after that. I’ve cleared 
> up all issues that were found with the app so It should get through the 
> review process.
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
>> Any news on this?
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:02:56 PM UTC-6, Tyler wrote:
>> it’ll be $4.99 
>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater  wrote: 
>> 
>>> How much will it cost? 
>>> Sent from my braille plus 18 
>>> 
>>> Tyler Thompson  wrote: 
>>> 
 Hello, 
 
  For those of you who helped me beta test iMud (the accessible MUD 
 client) and for those who are interested iMud has been submitted to 
 the mac app store! I haven’t heard yet whether they’re actually going 
 to be putting it on but the bulk of the work has been done and it’s  a 
 fully functional client (even in mavericks). I’ll keep everybody 
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Re: cannot open disclosure triangles to view conversations in mail

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Nice, will try them all next time.

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Personal hot spot

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys. 
I just wanted to share with those Apple folks that I know are on this list that 
I absolutely adore the personal hot spot feature on the iPhone in IOS 7. It has 
saved me twice so far from not being able to get material to my customer in a 
timely manner. Thanks so much!!! 

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Re: Personal hot spot

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I don’t know how to use personal hot spot, so Please tell me.

Kawal.
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> I just wanted to share with those Apple folks that I know are on this list 
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> It has saved me twice so far from not being able to get material to my 
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Re: Personal hot spot

[Eugenia Firth]

OOkay, let me see if I can remember it all. What you get it set up it's simple 
as pie. First, turn Wi-Fi on on your iPhone. Then turn Bluetooth on. Then go to 
personal hotspot and ?settings, you will notice several choices after you've 
turned it on. One of the choices is Wi-Fi, and that's the one I did. Now there 
is this horrible code you have to put in to your Mac. It is on your iPhone 
screen and you have to do it character by character.

Go in to the extras menu with the voiceover keys and the letter M twice. Then 
VO left or right arrow until you get to Wi-Fi. Press the VO space on that. Then 
you have to go down until your Mac says Owner's iPhone and choose that. Then 
you have to get the choices and type in that awful code. From now on you have a 
network that says Owner's iPhone so that if you don't Internet Wi-Fi your 
iPhone can let you use your cellular data minutes. I have a lot of them so it's 
not a problem. Now you can use Safari on your computer and send emails on your 
computer. You ask why can't you just use your iPho"? Well, if you have some 
files to attach like I did you can use your to send them just like any other 
Wi-Fi. It's fast, too if your cell connection is good. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrI don’t know 
> how to use personal hot spot, so Please tell me.
> 
> Kawal.
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>> Hi guys. 
>> I just wanted to share with those Apple folks that I know are on this list 
>> that I absolutely adore the personal hot spot feature on the iPhone in IOS 
>> 7. It has saved me twice so far from not being able to get material to my 
>> customer in a timely manner. Thanks so much!!! 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
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Amazon cloud player seems to be useless on the mac now.

[Jessica Moss]

I've just downloaded the latest amazon cloud player, only to find it completely 
enaccessible, which is really upsetting to me, sense I love the IPhone version, 
but need the mac version, sense I'm wanting to burn an album I just downloaded 
to a CD, and can't seem to be able to do a thing with it.  Has anyone else had 
this issue?

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Opera on Mavericks

[Lee Jones]

Dear List has anybody had success with opera  browser with voice over on
mavericks?  I downloaded it to try out the ap store,but it makes  weird
clicking noises and doesn't seem to work that well. I am a novice  so it
would be good to no whether it is supposed to work or not, so I can delete
it if it doesn't.

 

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Re: Amazon cloud player seems to be useless on the mac now.

[Teresa Cochran]

I was just going to post about this myself. I am wondering if only the 
login screen isn't accessible and maybe the rest of it is? I may enlist my 
hubby to help me sign in and find out. The web version is still available, 
but I realize that doesn't help you with your CD burning issue.


Teresa

Wishing everyone a joyous holiday season and a happy New Year!

On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Jessica Moss wrote:


I've just downloaded the latest amazon cloud player, only to find it completely 
enaccessible, which is really upsetting to me, sense I love the IPhone version, 
but need the mac version, sense I'm wanting to burn an album I just downloaded 
to a CD, and can't seem to be able to do a thing with it.  Has anyone else had 
this issue?


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Re: Amazon cloud player seems to be useless on the mac now.

[Jessica Moss]

So far I can't get any part of it to work; it just says "amazon cloud player 
window,".when I press VO+right or left arrow and it says nothing else other 
than the usual options to change the screen size.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Teresa Cochran  
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> I was just going to post about this myself. I am wondering if only the login 
> screen isn't accessible and maybe the rest of it is? I may enlist my hubby to 
> help me sign in and find out. The web version is still available, but I 
> realize that doesn't help you with your CD burning issue.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> Wishing everyone a joyous holiday season and a happy New Year!
> 
>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> 
>> I've just downloaded the latest amazon cloud player, only to find it 
>> completely enaccessible, which is really upsetting to me, sense I love the 
>> IPhone version, but need the mac version, sense I'm wanting to burn an album 
>> I just downloaded to a CD, and can't seem to be able to do a thing with it.  
>> Has anyone else had this issue?
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Re: Personal hot spot

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks for a clear explanation.  I will bear that in mind.

Kawal.
On 23 Dec 2013, at 19:36, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> OOkay, let me see if I can remember it all. What you get it set up it's 
> simple as pie. First, turn Wi-Fi on on your iPhone. Then turn Bluetooth on. 
> Then go to personal hotspot and ?settings, you will notice several choices 
> after you've turned it on. One of the choices is Wi-Fi, and that's the one I 
> did. Now there is this horrible code you have to put in to your Mac. It is on 
> your iPhone screen and you have to do it character by character.
> 
> Go in to the extras menu with the voiceover keys and the letter M twice. Then 
> VO left or right arrow until you get to Wi-Fi. Press the VO space on that. 
> Then you have to go down until your Mac says Owner's iPhone and choose that. 
> Then you have to get the choices and type in that awful code. From now on you 
> have a network that says Owner's iPhone so that if you don't Internet Wi-Fi 
> your iPhone can let you use your cellular data minutes. I have a lot of them 
> so it's not a problem. Now you can use Safari on your computer and send 
> emails on your computer. You ask why can't you just use your iPho"? Well, if 
> you have some files to attach like I did you can use your to send them just 
> like any other Wi-Fi. It's fast, too if your cell connection is good. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrI don’t 
>> know how to use personal hot spot, so Please tell me.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 23 Dec 2013, at 18:22, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys. 
>>> I just wanted to share with those Apple folks that I know are on this list 
>>> that I absolutely adore the personal hot spot feature on the iPhone in IOS 
>>> 7. It has saved me twice so far from not being able to get material to my 
>>> customer in a timely manner. Thanks so much!!! 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
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Re: a question about zoom in Mavericks

[Pete Nalda]

Ok.  Cmd+opt+8 will not work in the login screen, BUT, if you have engaged in 
finder, using cmd+opt+8, or in the system preferences, you can activate it in 
the login screen using ctrl plus a 2 finger swipe up.  it’s the only way to 
engage it there.

On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I tried this out on my machine running Mavericks, and I can’t turn zoom 
> on/off on this screen.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
>> Zoom absolutely DOES work In that screen. You do have to move focus to the 
>> password area though. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I should say, the log in screen.  You know, when you wake your computer 
>>> from sleep, and your prompted to enter your password?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Charlie Doremus  
 wrote:
 
 Lock screen? What lock screen?
 
 Aloha,
 
 Charlie 
 
> On Dec 21, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> I was wondering if any of the zoom users could answer a question for me.  
> When on the lock screen, is zoom automatically enabled?  If not, how do 
> you get it to be on on the lock screen?  I’m asking for a friend.
> 
> 
> TIA.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
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Bookmarks Not Saving in Safari

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Is anyone else having this problem. I am running Mountain Lion and the latest 
update to safari which came out yesterday. I just noticed the last several 
bookmarks I saved over the past couple of weeks haven't saved to my bookmarks. 
I save everything using Command D and make sure bookmarks menu is selected in 
the pop up, and just even tried saving a bookmark and it didn't save. Strange, 
as this method has worked fine for years.

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can't share my library on the network

[Agent086b]

Hi,
in the past I have been able to use the Remote App to play music in the house 
using my sound system. My iPhone can not get to my library. I have been trying 
to connect my wife’s iPad it can’t see the library either. I have checked 
iTunes and it is still set to share my library on the network.
Does anybody have any ideas?
Thanks for any help.
Max

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using caps lock key in vmware fusion

[Chris Moore]

I’m using key remap and pc hack to enable the caps lock key as an alternate VO 
key.  When I go into fusion do I need to turn vo off in order to use the caps 
lock as an NVDA modifier key?
Then, how do I get back to the Mac apps without VO enabled?

Thanks
Chris

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Advantages and dis-advantages of the compact and HQ voices of Voiceover

[Daniel McGee]

Dear all, I have been thinking of late about the difference between the two 
different voices you get with Voiceover premium and compact so here are my 
thoughts. I would love to know what you think yourself and if you want to add 
to the discussion then by all means feel free to do so.

Note: this list is by no means extensive its just what I think and what I write 
may differ to each and everyone’s personal experience.

This is evaluated with the english Daniel voice.

Premium voices
Advantages:
1. Of a higher quality to listen to when reading.

2. Louder in volume.

3. At times, may pronounce a word more clearly in addition, also be more 
accurate at saying certain words better.

Disadvantages:
1. When trying to speed up the voice after 45% on OSX or 30% on IOS. Find that 
they become less intelligible to understand. Therefore, finding that I have to 
remain at the above percentages or even decrease the speed.

2. When reading passages that contain words e.g. the, in, were, her and with. 
Find that such short words can be easily missed. So then I'm forced to interact 
with document, HTML area of webpage etc to find the currently missed word and 
then resume with say all after understanding it with the words method either 
IOS or OSX.

Compact voices

Advantages:
1. Able to easily speed up above the previous percentages. In other words, 
listen to the voices at a reasonably faster speaking-rate.

2. When reading documents find that shorter words are read, pronounced and 
spoken better. This seems to be the case too when reviewing by words.

3. Overall, to me it seems to be a better experience when reading by say all in 
the fact that clarity, pronunciation and understandability are the key factors 
to my hearing and productivity.
For me, the premium voices seem to be a bit for lack of a better word “strong 
on the ear.” I find the compact voices more robotic and interestingly this 
feels more natural to hear for me. However, Feel free to dis-agree if you want 
to and if so I would love to know why?   

Disadvantages
1. obviously, the voices are of a lower quality so some people may find or even 
struggle to use the compact voices hence the premium ones for those who need 
them for a more natural sounding reading experience.

2. Pronunciation and clarity of words may not be for the end user liking. 
Again, echoing the above with a different factor this being the compact version 
taken into account.

Conclusion
This primarily being focused on the UK Daniel voice. Compact or premium. I have 
found that I move towards the compact version of this voice. However, since the 
release of Mavericks and IOS7, I make use occasionally of the premium version 
in certain cases since they have made compact more worser in my humble opinion 
in the latest version of the operating systems than there previous counterparts.

Now is though where you guys come in. For those who are using the Nuance voices 
on OSX and IOS which voice do you use and do you prefer compact or premium and 
if so why?

Seriously, ladies and gentlemen, I would love to know what you use and why you 
use it. I have done extensive testing to the best of my ability which is why I 
wanted to post my experience and findings to you in the hope that you will 
share your own thoughts too about the voices.

If you could share as much information as possible on how you use your voices 
speaking rate, type of voice etc then would be grate.
I just want to know how others use there voices and what they prefer etc.

Ok I’m going to stop now. If you haven’t already fallen asleep by the end of 
this post then full marks to you. lol 
Its I wanted to make it as detailed as possible so that people know what I’m 
asking.

Thank you

Daniel

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Re: a question about zoom in Mavericks

[Red.Falcon]

Hi!
I noticed on mine using Mountain lion under keyboard in system pref's in the 
shortcut tab and sub level Accessibility the options to use zoom have no check 
box the commands are listed but no option to check them on!
And on a side note the default key stroke to invert colours is the same as one 
of the hotspot options VO+command+8 [describes item under hotspot 8]
I've successfully changed that to option+command+0 [in my case]
And now pressing those keys change from white on black to black on white!
Just incase anyone was interested in doing that!
HTH Colin

On 23 Dec 2013, at 23:28, Pete Nalda  wrote:

> Ok.  Cmd+opt+8 will not work in the login screen, BUT, if you have engaged in 
> finder, using cmd+opt+8, or in the system preferences, you can activate it in 
> the login screen using ctrl plus a 2 finger swipe up.  it’s the only way to 
> engage it there.
> 
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I tried this out on my machine running Mavericks, and I can’t turn zoom 
>> on/off on this screen.  Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>>> Zoom absolutely DOES work In that screen. You do have to move focus to the 
>>> password area though. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I should say, the log in screen.  You know, when you wake your computer 
 from sleep, and your prompted to enter your password?
 
 Thanks
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Charlie Doremus  
> wrote:
> 
> Lock screen? What lock screen?
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> Charlie 
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> I was wondering if any of the zoom users could answer a question for me. 
>>  When on the lock screen, is zoom automatically enabled?  If not, how do 
>> you get it to be on on the lock screen?  I’m asking for a friend.
>> 
>> 
>> TIA.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
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personal hot spot

[jean parker]

Hi All:
You can use the hotspot as a wireless but you can also use it via the usb 
cable.  Depending on what speed your data connection is, using it this way 
could make it faster.
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Re: a question about zoom in Mavericks

[Terje Strømberg]

I've successfully changed that to option+command+0 [in my case] Where did you 
change this command? Not able to use go-command-8 is driving me nuts, but not 
totally, just a little bit nuts in the background. Exactly how did you do it? 
Had this question on my mind for a while, but forgot to post it.

Take care 

24. des. 2013 kl. 01:50 skrev Red.Falcon :

Hi!
I noticed on mine using Mountain lion under keyboard in system pref's in the 
shortcut tab and sub level Accessibility the options to use zoom have no check 
box the commands are listed but no option to check them on!
And on a side note the default key stroke to invert colours is the same as one 
of the hotspot options VO+command+8 [describes item under hotspot 8]
I've successfully changed that to option+command+0 [in my case]
And now pressing those keys change from white on black to black on white!
Just incase anyone was interested in doing that!
HTH Colin

On 23 Dec 2013, at 23:28, Pete Nalda  wrote:

> Ok.  Cmd+opt+8 will not work in the login screen, BUT, if you have engaged in 
> finder, using cmd+opt+8, or in the system preferences, you can activate it in 
> the login screen using ctrl plus a 2 finger swipe up.  it’s the only way to 
> engage it there.
> 
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I tried this out on my machine running Mavericks, and I can’t turn zoom 
>> on/off on this screen.  Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>>> Zoom absolutely DOES work In that screen. You do have to move focus to the 
>>> password area though. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I should say, the log in screen.  You know, when you wake your computer 
 from sleep, and your prompted to enter your password?
 
 Thanks
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Charlie Doremus  
> wrote:
> 
> Lock screen? What lock screen?
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> Charlie 
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> I was wondering if any of the zoom users could answer a question for me. 
>>  When on the lock screen, is zoom automatically enabled?  If not, how do 
>> you get it to be on on the lock screen?  I’m asking for a friend.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Advantages and dis-advantages of the compact and HQ voices of Voiceover

[Terje Strømberg]

Norwegian Stine Compact is a light year + better than Stine Premium in all of 
the aspects. Especially, more beautiful sound. Apple or Nuance kicked her out 
and let the premium disaster in instead. In IOS 7. 

I am told that it is possible to download the beautiful compact - compared to 
premium voice in Mavericks.

Take care


24. des. 2013 kl. 01:43 skrev Daniel McGee :

Dear all, I have been thinking of late about the difference between the two 
different voices you get with Voiceover premium and compact so here are my 
thoughts. I would love to know what you think yourself and if you want to add 
to the discussion then by all means feel free to do so.

Note: this list is by no means extensive its just what I think and what I write 
may differ to each and everyone’s personal experience.

This is evaluated with the english Daniel voice.

Premium voices
Advantages:
1. Of a higher quality to listen to when reading.

2. Louder in volume.

3. At times, may pronounce a word more clearly in addition, also be more 
accurate at saying certain words better.

Disadvantages:
1. When trying to speed up the voice after 45% on OSX or 30% on IOS. Find that 
they become less intelligible to understand. Therefore, finding that I have to 
remain at the above percentages or even decrease the speed.

2. When reading passages that contain words e.g. the, in, were, her and with. 
Find that such short words can be easily missed. So then I'm forced to interact 
with document, HTML area of webpage etc to find the currently missed word and 
then resume with say all after understanding it with the words method either 
IOS or OSX.

Compact voices

Advantages:
1. Able to easily speed up above the previous percentages. In other words, 
listen to the voices at a reasonably faster speaking-rate.

2. When reading documents find that shorter words are read, pronounced and 
spoken better. This seems to be the case too when reviewing by words.

3. Overall, to me it seems to be a better experience when reading by say all in 
the fact that clarity, pronunciation and understandability are the key factors 
to my hearing and productivity.
For me, the premium voices seem to be a bit for lack of a better word “strong 
on the ear.” I find the compact voices more robotic and interestingly this 
feels more natural to hear for me. However, Feel free to dis-agree if you want 
to and if so I would love to know why?   

Disadvantages
1. obviously, the voices are of a lower quality so some people may find or even 
struggle to use the compact voices hence the premium ones for those who need 
them for a more natural sounding reading experience.

2. Pronunciation and clarity of words may not be for the end user liking. 
Again, echoing the above with a different factor this being the compact version 
taken into account.

Conclusion
This primarily being focused on the UK Daniel voice. Compact or premium. I have 
found that I move towards the compact version of this voice. However, since the 
release of Mavericks and IOS7, I make use occasionally of the premium version 
in certain cases since they have made compact more worser in my humble opinion 
in the latest version of the operating systems than there previous counterparts.

Now is though where you guys come in. For those who are using the Nuance voices 
on OSX and IOS which voice do you use and do you prefer compact or premium and 
if so why?

Seriously, ladies and gentlemen, I would love to know what you use and why you 
use it. I have done extensive testing to the best of my ability which is why I 
wanted to post my experience and findings to you in the hope that you will 
share your own thoughts too about the voices.

If you could share as much information as possible on how you use your voices 
speaking rate, type of voice etc then would be grate.
I just want to know how others use there voices and what they prefer etc.

Ok I’m going to stop now. If you haven’t already fallen asleep by the end of 
this post then full marks to you. lol 
Its I wanted to make it as detailed as possible so that people know what I’m 
asking.

Thank you

Daniel

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More amazon issues.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, I still can't get the new amazon cloud player to work, even after playing 
around with it and managing to find the log in screen, so just revurted back to 
the old version.  However, when I go to their site, select the songs I want to 
download, then go into my amazon mp3 downloader, there's nothing there.
  Am I missing a step?

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Re: Amazon cloud player seems to be useless on the mac now.

[Mary Otten]

The entire Amazon cloud player is not accessible. I got sided help to get the 
login screen done. But once that's done, I still can't see anything on my Mac 
running Mountain lion. Very disgusting.
Mary


Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
> I was just going to post about this myself. I am wondering if only the login 
> screen isn't accessible and maybe the rest of it is? I may enlist my hubby to 
> help me sign in and find out. The web version is still available, but I 
> realize that doesn't help you with your CD burning issue.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> Wishing everyone a joyous holiday season and a happy New Year!
> 
>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> 
>> I've just downloaded the latest amazon cloud player, only to find it 
>> completely enaccessible, which is really upsetting to me, sense I love the 
>> IPhone version, but need the mac version, sense I'm wanting to burn an album 
>> I just downloaded to a CD, and can't seem to be able to do a thing with it.  
>> Has anyone else had this issue?
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Re: More amazon issues.

[Teresa Cochran]

I don't think mp3 downloader works anymore. I haven't found a way to 
download from the website. I can play the music, though.


Did you try actually logging in? Some apps don't have accessible login 
screens, but other screens are sometimes accessible. I used to have to 
have sighted help logging into dropbox, and once I logged in, it was 
accessible.


Teresa

Wishing everyone a joyous holiday season and a happy New Year!

On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Jessica Moss wrote:


Ok, I still can't get the new amazon cloud player to work, even after playing 
around with it and managing to find the log in screen, so just revurted back to 
the old version.  However, when I go to their site, select the songs I want to 
download, then go into my amazon mp3 downloader, there's nothing there.
 Am I missing a step?


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Re: using caps lock key in vmware fusion

[Chris Moore]

I’m replying to my own message.  With this configuration, the left command keys 
seems to function as the modifier key.  Also, pressing left command plus 
control takes me out of the vmware window.  (no need to turn VO off).

Chris

On Dec 23, 2013, at 7:22 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> I’m using key remap and pc hack to enable the caps lock key as an alternate 
> VO key.  When I go into fusion do I need to turn vo off in order to use the 
> caps lock as an NVDA modifier key?
> Then, how do I get back to the Mac apps without VO enabled?
> 
> Thanks
> Chris

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Re: More amazon issues.

[Jessica Moss]

I've logged in, and like I said, am able to use the cloud player app on my 
phone, but don't really want to constantly have to carry my phone around with 
me just to play the thing.
  My original plan was to put it on to a CD and surprise Hannah with it, sense 
she ended up getting a stereo as a Christmas gift when she went to visit her 
Granddad, which I knew nothing about until they came back, and I thought he was 
kidding, until he came and hooked it up in her room
  But moving on from that, I'm not sure how I finally managed to do it the 
first time, but some how managed to get it up and running the first time, but 
now I'm stumped, and it's driving me up the wall, especially sense I payed for 
this so should be able to be flexable with it.
On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> I don't think mp3 downloader works anymore. I haven't found a way to download 
> from the website. I can play the music, though.
> 
> Did you try actually logging in? Some apps don't have accessible login 
> screens, but other screens are sometimes accessible. I used to have to have 
> sighted help logging into dropbox, and once I logged in, it was accessible.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> Wishing everyone a joyous holiday season and a happy New Year!
> 
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Jessica Moss wrote:
> 
>> Ok, I still can't get the new amazon cloud player to work, even after 
>> playing around with it and managing to find the log in screen, so just 
>> revurted back to the old version.  However, when I go to their site, select 
>> the songs I want to download, then go into my amazon mp3 downloader, there's 
>> nothing there.
>> Am I missing a step?
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Re: Amazon cloud player seems to be useless on the mac now.

[Jessica Moss]

I know, I find a lot of stuff inaccessible with my mac, when just browsing 
their site in general.
  The cursor jumps around a lot when I try to browse the page, so when I'm 
trying to navigate the page, next thing I know it refreshes every few seconds 
so 9 times out of 10, I can't view what I'm looking for correctly unless I 
vo+right arrow really quickly and hope for the best.
  I've also found that voiceover doesn't read the review sections anymore, just 
"such and such, out of such and such," made a similar statement, which is 
obviously useless.
  However, I can use the amazon app on my phone, and once again, it works 
almost flawlessly, I just don't see the option to use my 1-click checkout 
option, which is supposed to be there to my understanding, sense I have a prime 
acount.
On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> The entire Amazon cloud player is not accessible. I got sided help to get the 
> login screen done. But once that's done, I still can't see anything on my Mac 
> running Mountain lion. Very disgusting.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I was just going to post about this myself. I am wondering if only the login 
>> screen isn't accessible and maybe the rest of it is? I may enlist my hubby 
>> to help me sign in and find out. The web version is still available, but I 
>> realize that doesn't help you with your CD burning issue.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> Wishing everyone a joyous holiday season and a happy New Year!
>> 
>>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've just downloaded the latest amazon cloud player, only to find it 
>>> completely enaccessible, which is really upsetting to me, sense I love the 
>>> IPhone version, but need the mac version, sense I'm wanting to burn an 
>>> album I just downloaded to a CD, and can't seem to be able to do a thing 
>>> with it.  Has anyone else had this issue?
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Macupdate

[Lee Jones]

Dear List  after hearing mac update  being discussed on list, I checked it
out and I think it may be what I am looking for. I wondered is Mac update
desktop accessible with voice over to allow one click downloading?  A lot of
the aps I would want to download from them are freeware, do you have to
register for payment even if you only want to download free aps?  If it says
demo after the program does this mean it is not the full version or a beta?
Are there any other reputable third party sites that sell mac aps which
people would recommend as I am finding the ap store too restrictive.  

 

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Re: Advantages and dis-advantages of the compact and HQ voices of Voiceover

[Mike Arrigo]

For me, I always go with the premium voices. They are much higher quality, and 
I don't speed them up to a super fast rate.
On Dec 23, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Daniel McGee  wrote:

> Dear all, I have been thinking of late about the difference between the two 
> different voices you get with Voiceover premium and compact so here are my 
> thoughts. I would love to know what you think yourself and if you want to add 
> to the discussion then by all means feel free to do so.
> 
> Note: this list is by no means extensive its just what I think and what I 
> write may differ to each and everyone’s personal experience.
> 
> This is evaluated with the english Daniel voice.
> 
> Premium voices
> Advantages:
> 1. Of a higher quality to listen to when reading.
> 
> 2. Louder in volume.
> 
> 3. At times, may pronounce a word more clearly in addition, also be more 
> accurate at saying certain words better.
> 
> Disadvantages:
> 1. When trying to speed up the voice after 45% on OSX or 30% on IOS. Find 
> that they become less intelligible to understand. Therefore, finding that I 
> have to remain at the above percentages or even decrease the speed.
> 
> 2. When reading passages that contain words e.g. the, in, were, her and with. 
> Find that such short words can be easily missed. So then I'm forced to 
> interact with document, HTML area of webpage etc to find the currently missed 
> word and then resume with say all after understanding it with the words 
> method either IOS or OSX.
> 
> Compact voices
> 
> Advantages:
> 1. Able to easily speed up above the previous percentages. In other words, 
> listen to the voices at a reasonably faster speaking-rate.
> 
> 2. When reading documents find that shorter words are read, pronounced and 
> spoken better. This seems to be the case too when reviewing by words.
> 
> 3. Overall, to me it seems to be a better experience when reading by say all 
> in the fact that clarity, pronunciation and understandability are the key 
> factors to my hearing and productivity.
> For me, the premium voices seem to be a bit for lack of a better word “strong 
> on the ear.” I find the compact voices more robotic and interestingly this 
> feels more natural to hear for me. However, Feel free to dis-agree if you 
> want to and if so I would love to know why?   
> 
> Disadvantages
> 1. obviously, the voices are of a lower quality so some people may find or 
> even struggle to use the compact voices hence the premium ones for those who 
> need them for a more natural sounding reading experience.
> 
> 2. Pronunciation and clarity of words may not be for the end user liking. 
> Again, echoing the above with a different factor this being the compact 
> version taken into account.
> 
> Conclusion
> This primarily being focused on the UK Daniel voice. Compact or premium. I 
> have found that I move towards the compact version of this voice. However, 
> since the release of Mavericks and IOS7, I make use occasionally of the 
> premium version in certain cases since they have made compact more worser in 
> my humble opinion in the latest version of the operating systems than there 
> previous counterparts.
> 
> Now is though where you guys come in. For those who are using the Nuance 
> voices on OSX and IOS which voice do you use and do you prefer compact or 
> premium and if so why?
> 
> Seriously, ladies and gentlemen, I would love to know what you use and why 
> you use it. I have done extensive testing to the best of my ability which is 
> why I wanted to post my experience and findings to you in the hope that you 
> will share your own thoughts too about the voices.
> 
> If you could share as much information as possible on how you use your voices 
> speaking rate, type of voice etc then would be grate.
> I just want to know how others use there voices and what they prefer etc.
> 
> Ok I’m going to stop now. If you haven’t already fallen asleep by the end of 
> this post then full marks to you. lol 
> Its I wanted to make it as detailed as possible so that people know what I’m 
> asking.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Daniel
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Re: Bookmarks Not Saving in Safari

[Nicholas Parsons]

Seems to be working fine for me. I have saved a few bookmarks recently and 
haven't noticed any problems, but I haven't been paying particular attention.
Best,
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Bluetooth Issues getting very old

[Brian Fischler]

This is getting ridiculous as every time my computer goes to sleep and it 
starts up again my bluetooth trackpad and speakers don't work, I get a 
bluetooth error message that no bluetooth mouse or trackpad are connected then 
I have to play around with settings for both the trackpad and speakers. 
Freaking ridiculous, and the trackpad is Apple's so not sure why this problem 
started. My keyboard is bluetooth and it works, so not sure what the problem is 
but these problems are getting so tiresome and taking up so much time to deal 
with I am going back to wired stuff. What a sham bluetooth is, maybe it is just 
me, but it is getting quite frustrating.

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Re: Bookmarks Not Saving in Safari

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Nick,

I guess it's just my luck as I am not sure how bookmarks just stop saving to 
bookmarks. For as long as I owned a mac hitting command D launches the save 
bookmarks option, and now all of the sudden how it stops working is beyond me
On Dec 23, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
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> Seems to be working fine for me. I have saved a few bookmarks recently and 
> haven't noticed any problems, but I haven't been paying particular attention.
> Best,
> Nic
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Re: Advantages and dis-advantages of the compact and HQ voices of Voiceover

[Andrew Head]

Personally, I always use higher quality, it sounds more human I’d rather have a 
natural sounding voice than the robotic compact voice, high quality makes for a 
much nicer listening experience. I personally can’t understand when you have 
the high quality voices available for free, why you wouldn’t use them, but each 
to their own. *smile* I have a wide range of voices, I use the australian, 
british, scottish, irish, south african, and american voices, male and female 
and switch between them every so offten, when I get tired of one for a while, 
I’ll switch to another, use it for a little while, and switch to another. I 
adds variety and makes reading different things all the more interesting. 
On 24 Dec 2013, at 11:43 am, Daniel McGee  wrote:

> Dear all, I have been thinking of late about the difference between the two 
> different voices you get with Voiceover premium and compact so here are my 
> thoughts. I would love to know what you think yourself and if you want to add 
> to the discussion then by all means feel free to do so.
> 
> Note: this list is by no means extensive its just what I think and what I 
> write may differ to each and everyone’s personal experience.
> 
> This is evaluated with the english Daniel voice.
> 
> Premium voices
> Advantages:
> 1. Of a higher quality to listen to when reading.
> 
> 2. Louder in volume.
> 
> 3. At times, may pronounce a word more clearly in addition, also be more 
> accurate at saying certain words better.
> 
> Disadvantages:
> 1. When trying to speed up the voice after 45% on OSX or 30% on IOS. Find 
> that they become less intelligible to understand. Therefore, finding that I 
> have to remain at the above percentages or even decrease the speed.
> 
> 2. When reading passages that contain words e.g. the, in, were, her and with. 
> Find that such short words can be easily missed. So then I'm forced to 
> interact with document, HTML area of webpage etc to find the currently missed 
> word and then resume with say all after understanding it with the words 
> method either IOS or OSX.
> 
> Compact voices
> 
> Advantages:
> 1. Able to easily speed up above the previous percentages. In other words, 
> listen to the voices at a reasonably faster speaking-rate.
> 
> 2. When reading documents find that shorter words are read, pronounced and 
> spoken better. This seems to be the case too when reviewing by words.
> 
> 3. Overall, to me it seems to be a better experience when reading by say all 
> in the fact that clarity, pronunciation and understandability are the key 
> factors to my hearing and productivity.
> For me, the premium voices seem to be a bit for lack of a better word “strong 
> on the ear.” I find the compact voices more robotic and interestingly this 
> feels more natural to hear for me. However, Feel free to dis-agree if you 
> want to and if so I would love to know why?   
> 
> Disadvantages
> 1. obviously, the voices are of a lower quality so some people may find or 
> even struggle to use the compact voices hence the premium ones for those who 
> need them for a more natural sounding reading experience.
> 
> 2. Pronunciation and clarity of words may not be for the end user liking. 
> Again, echoing the above with a different factor this being the compact 
> version taken into account.
> 
> Conclusion
> This primarily being focused on the UK Daniel voice. Compact or premium. I 
> have found that I move towards the compact version of this voice. However, 
> since the release of Mavericks and IOS7, I make use occasionally of the 
> premium version in certain cases since they have made compact more worser in 
> my humble opinion in the latest version of the operating systems than there 
> previous counterparts.
> 
> Now is though where you guys come in. For those who are using the Nuance 
> voices on OSX and IOS which voice do you use and do you prefer compact or 
> premium and if so why?
> 
> Seriously, ladies and gentlemen, I would love to know what you use and why 
> you use it. I have done extensive testing to the best of my ability which is 
> why I wanted to post my experience and findings to you in the hope that you 
> will share your own thoughts too about the voices.
> 
> If you could share as much information as possible on how you use your voices 
> speaking rate, type of voice etc then would be grate.
> I just want to know how others use there voices and what they prefer etc.
> 
> Ok I’m going to stop now. If you haven’t already fallen asleep by the end of 
> this post then full marks to you. lol 
> Its I wanted to make it as detailed as possible so that people know what I’m 
> asking.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Daniel
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Re: Advantages and dis-advantages of the compact and HQ voices of Voiceover

[Shawn AKA BBS]

Hi Daniel. For me when I use the Nuance voices, I use the premium 
version of the Australian Karen voice. I love the way Nuance tweeked 
her voice to sound more human with Vocalizer Expressive. I wish they 
would do the same for the male Australian voice, Lee, or if since 
Nuance is adding Loquendo voices to Vocalizer Expressive, replace Lee 
with Allan since he sounds way better than Lee. As for speech rate, I 
don't like to speed up the voice past the rate that's in their samples 
because it sounds unnatural when you do that.


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