Re: bookmarks hidden

[Nicholas Parsons]

HI Jean,
Not sure it can be permanently fixed. It happens to me every now and then, but 
as it's so easy to fix I don't really worry about it. As with nearly every app 
on the Mac, most content areas and things can be dragged around, changed and 
adjusted to look different and provide better visual access to certain things. 
The preview pane in Mail seems to work the same way. Something apparently 
happens—perhaps a stray mouse click or something else—which causes that 
bookmark display table to collapse, and as it's not present visually, VoiceOver 
also cannot access it. The solution is to simply move that horizontal splitter 
up to reveal the bookmarks. That's my best effort at speculating on what's 
happening, but the real cause and, more importantly, any permanent solution are 
beyond my expertise.
Cheers,
Nic

On 11 Jan 2013, at 2:33 PM, jean parker  wrote:

Hello Nick:
You've done it!  I interacted with the splitter and hit vo up arrow.  My 
question now is what does that do exactly?  In other words, what is happening 
with that splitter to cause them to disappear?  Where can I permanently fix 
this?
Jean

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Re: Apple Care Policy

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys
I have from a valid source the information that when your AppleCare runs out 
you can pay $20 for your session. If I ever needed, it is worth it.
Sincerely,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Antonio Guimaraes  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I don't know if this has been mentioned on this list, but you get AppleCare 
> extended for three months if you upgrade to Mavericks.
> 
> This policy is in place even   for people with older computers like myself. I 
> have a 2008  iMac, and I spent a considerable amount of time trying to fix my 
> issues with mail with a rep from the Apple Accessibility line yesterday.
> 
> Just a quick FYI.
> 
> Antonio
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New 2013 macbook Pro retina display freezing and saying "busy, busy"

[Daniel Montalvo Charameli]

Hello all:

I’d like to comment on an issue that a friend of mine has told me. It
occurs to him on his brand new macbook Pro retina display. He has the
top model, a 16 GB RAM and 2.6 Intel Core I7 processor. The thing is
that he has noticed that VoiceOver keeps saying Busy busy constantly.
As an example, he told me  that he opens the preferences pane pressing
VO + d, locating the system preferences icon and then Enter. After
that he has to wait for a long while and hears VoceOver saying the
“busy” thing of death. He is really disappointed because that problem
appeared to b solved with SSD hard disks and so I’ve said to him. We
have tested that in my 2011 MBP because I recently changed the
original disk by a Samsung Evo 840 and in fact Voiceover busy issues
happen much less than with mechanical disks.

Has anybody experienced these problems in 2013 machines? Has anyone
figured out how to solve them if they exist? Before reinstalling the
OS I’d like to see how you’re gone about dealing with these annoying
issues.

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Re: New 2013 macbook Pro retina display freezing and saying "busy, busy"

[Laura ann Grymes]

my 2011 macbook pro has done this from day one of purchase.
I just have to wait until it finishes unfortunately.

I am going to take it to where I purchased a couple years ago and the service 
manager will check a few things for me.
I will report back if it can be fixed.
I have repaired permissions and no change.

My macbook has 8 gb ram but has had this problem since I first changed over to 
mac.

Its frustrating but wondering if it is just a voice over problem.

Laura Ann

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On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:25 AM, Daniel Montalvo Charameli  
wrote:

> Hello all:
> 
> I’d like to comment on an issue that a friend of mine has told me. It
> occurs to him on his brand new macbook Pro retina display. He has the
> top model, a 16 GB RAM and 2.6 Intel Core I7 processor. The thing is
> that he has noticed that VoiceOver keeps saying Busy busy constantly.
> As an example, he told me  that he opens the preferences pane pressing
> VO + d, locating the system preferences icon and then Enter. After
> that he has to wait for a long while and hears VoceOver saying the
> “busy” thing of death. He is really disappointed because that problem
> appeared to b solved with SSD hard disks and so I’ve said to him. We
> have tested that in my 2011 MBP because I recently changed the
> original disk by a Samsung Evo 840 and in fact Voiceover busy issues
> happen much less than with mechanical disks.
> 
> Has anybody experienced these problems in 2013 machines? Has anyone
> figured out how to solve them if they exist? Before reinstalling the
> OS I’d like to see how you’re gone about dealing with these annoying
> issues.
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Re: New 2013 macbook Pro retina display freezing and saying "busy, busy"

[Daniel Montalvo Charameli]

Thanks Laura!

Did you change into an SSD drive? If not, that's sadly very common.
The problem here is that it happens even with an SSD drive.



2013/12/11, Laura ann Grymes :
> my 2011 macbook pro has done this from day one of purchase.
> I just have to wait until it finishes unfortunately.
>
> I am going to take it to where I purchased a couple years ago and the
> service manager will check a few things for me.
> I will report back if it can be fixed.
> I have repaired permissions and no change.
>
> My macbook has 8 gb ram but has had this problem since I first changed over
> to mac.
>
> Its frustrating but wondering if it is just a voice over problem.
>
> Laura Ann
>
> Laura ann Grymes
> agape.wellness.mass...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:25 AM, Daniel Montalvo Charameli 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> I’d like to comment on an issue that a friend of mine has told me. It
>> occurs to him on his brand new macbook Pro retina display. He has the
>> top model, a 16 GB RAM and 2.6 Intel Core I7 processor. The thing is
>> that he has noticed that VoiceOver keeps saying Busy busy constantly.
>> As an example, he told me  that he opens the preferences pane pressing
>> VO + d, locating the system preferences icon and then Enter. After
>> that he has to wait for a long while and hears VoceOver saying the
>> “busy” thing of death. He is really disappointed because that problem
>> appeared to b solved with SSD hard disks and so I’ve said to him. We
>> have tested that in my 2011 MBP because I recently changed the
>> original disk by a Samsung Evo 840 and in fact Voiceover busy issues
>> happen much less than with mechanical disks.
>>
>> Has anybody experienced these problems in 2013 machines? Has anyone
>> figured out how to solve them if they exist? Before reinstalling the
>> OS I’d like to see how you’re gone about dealing with these annoying
>> issues.
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Re: New 2013 macbook Pro retina display freezing and saying "busy, busy"

[Laura ann Grymes]

no but next macbook I get will have that drive.

Probably going to a macbook air when I change next year in the summer.
Laura Ann

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On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Daniel Montalvo Charameli  
wrote:

> Thanks Laura!
> 
> Did you change into an SSD drive? If not, that's sadly very common.
> The problem here is that it happens even with an SSD drive.
> 
> 
> 
> 2013/12/11, Laura ann Grymes :
>> my 2011 macbook pro has done this from day one of purchase.
>> I just have to wait until it finishes unfortunately.
>> 
>> I am going to take it to where I purchased a couple years ago and the
>> service manager will check a few things for me.
>> I will report back if it can be fixed.
>> I have repaired permissions and no change.
>> 
>> My macbook has 8 gb ram but has had this problem since I first changed over
>> to mac.
>> 
>> Its frustrating but wondering if it is just a voice over problem.
>> 
>> Laura Ann
>> 
>> Laura ann Grymes
>> agape.wellness.mass...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:25 AM, Daniel Montalvo Charameli 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> 
>>> I’d like to comment on an issue that a friend of mine has told me. It
>>> occurs to him on his brand new macbook Pro retina display. He has the
>>> top model, a 16 GB RAM and 2.6 Intel Core I7 processor. The thing is
>>> that he has noticed that VoiceOver keeps saying Busy busy constantly.
>>> As an example, he told me  that he opens the preferences pane pressing
>>> VO + d, locating the system preferences icon and then Enter. After
>>> that he has to wait for a long while and hears VoceOver saying the
>>> “busy” thing of death. He is really disappointed because that problem
>>> appeared to b solved with SSD hard disks and so I’ve said to him. We
>>> have tested that in my 2011 MBP because I recently changed the
>>> original disk by a Samsung Evo 840 and in fact Voiceover busy issues
>>> happen much less than with mechanical disks.
>>> 
>>> Has anybody experienced these problems in 2013 machines? Has anyone
>>> figured out how to solve them if they exist? Before reinstalling the
>>> OS I’d like to see how you’re gone about dealing with these annoying
>>> issues.
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Re: twitter client for the mac

[Daniel Montalvo Charameli]

Same (though not officially stated) occurs with Yorufukurou. I haven't
seen updates to this program recently. I don't know if the developer
plans to discontinue it or it'sjust that he thinks it's OK as it is
now. There's something we can do with the twitter website itself. They
have added keyboard shortcuts to go up and down the timeline and also
to perform several other tasks. Basically, j and k are used to move
through the timeline. I gave it a try and, though it has some bugs
yet, I think could be an alternative in case Yorufukurou ever stops
working.

2013/12/9, Chris H :
> Think this is the only truly accessible client. Twitterrific for the mac
> I have been told isn't accessible nor is the official Twitter app. There
> was another one but don't think it's developed anymore.
>
> On 09/12/2013 09:50, May and Noah wrote:
>> Morning everyone.
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is another twitter client for the mac besides
>> yorufukurou?
>>
>> May and Prince Noah
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>>
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Re: New 2013 macbook Pro retina display freezing and saying "busy, busy"

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The few times that this has happened to me usually occurred, at least in my 
opinion, due to my impatience.  That is, I go to System Prefs, then start 
pressing VO-right or tab hoping to move quickly into the preference I wish to 
manipulate.  I’ve found that if I go to System Prefs, wait for it to load and 
announce that it has focus, then start doing whatever I wanted, I have very few 
incidents of that behaviour.  I have also noticed that this is not limited to 
Mavericks or Mountain Lion, if I’m impatient on an iMac using Snow Leopard, I 
can create the same busy scenario.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:47 AM, Laura ann Grymes  wrote:

> no but next macbook I get will have that drive.
> 
> Probably going to a macbook air when I change next year in the summer.
> Laura Ann
> 
> Laura ann Grymes
> agape.wellness.mass...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Daniel Montalvo Charameli  
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Laura!
>> 
>> Did you change into an SSD drive? If not, that's sadly very common.
>> The problem here is that it happens even with an SSD drive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2013/12/11, Laura ann Grymes :
>>> my 2011 macbook pro has done this from day one of purchase.
>>> I just have to wait until it finishes unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> I am going to take it to where I purchased a couple years ago and the
>>> service manager will check a few things for me.
>>> I will report back if it can be fixed.
>>> I have repaired permissions and no change.
>>> 
>>> My macbook has 8 gb ram but has had this problem since I first changed over
>>> to mac.
>>> 
>>> Its frustrating but wondering if it is just a voice over problem.
>>> 
>>> Laura Ann
>>> 
>>> Laura ann Grymes
>>> agape.wellness.mass...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:25 AM, Daniel Montalvo Charameli 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all:
 
 I’d like to comment on an issue that a friend of mine has told me. It
 occurs to him on his brand new macbook Pro retina display. He has the
 top model, a 16 GB RAM and 2.6 Intel Core I7 processor. The thing is
 that he has noticed that VoiceOver keeps saying Busy busy constantly.
 As an example, he told me  that he opens the preferences pane pressing
 VO + d, locating the system preferences icon and then Enter. After
 that he has to wait for a long while and hears VoceOver saying the
 “busy” thing of death. He is really disappointed because that problem
 appeared to b solved with SSD hard disks and so I’ve said to him. We
 have tested that in my 2011 MBP because I recently changed the
 original disk by a Samsung Evo 840 and in fact Voiceover busy issues
 happen much less than with mechanical disks.
 
 Has anybody experienced these problems in 2013 machines? Has anyone
 figured out how to solve them if they exist? Before reinstalling the
 OS I’d like to see how you’re gone about dealing with these annoying
 issues.
 
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Observation re Clickable Text

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi list,

Just reporting on some interesting behaviour I just observed which might help 
some people with clickable text/AJAX menus.

I was using a website and the main menu had apparently recently been updated. 
In Safari version 6.0.5 on Mountain Lion, VoiceOver reported each item as 
clickable. I tried doing a VO-space on an item, but it didn't work. I tried 
routing the mouse and doing VO-shift-space as well as a physical click on the 
TrackPad with TrackPad commander turned off, but neither of these worked 
either. I then switched to Google Chrome and tried the same methods, but none 
of them worked in Chrome either.

The interesting thing is I tried routing the mouse to the text, and then 
turning VoiceOver off with command-F5 and then physically clicking the 
TrackPad. This, strangely, worked. It opened an AJAX style submenu with 
ordinary links I could click on. I tried this method several times and it 
worked. I only tried it in Google Chrome, however.

So, moral of the story is if you find some clickable text or an AJAX style menu 
that you can't seem to activate, try routing the mouse, turning VoiceOver off 
and physically clicking the TrackPad. Not sure why there would be any 
difference with VoiceOver turned on and QuickNav turned off compared with 
having VoiceOver turned off, but it was clearly different.

Cheers,
Nic

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Re: New 2013 macbook Pro retina display freezing and saying "busy, busy"

[Erik Heil]

Hello
This is probably related to the operating system. As it does not affect 
Macintoshes at large. Maybe what we call a race condition. Not sure if this is 
been reported to Apple, but we should probably do so.

On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The few times that this has happened to me usually occurred, at least in my 
> opinion, due to my impatience.  That is, I go to System Prefs, then start 
> pressing VO-right or tab hoping to move quickly into the preference I wish to 
> manipulate.  I’ve found that if I go to System Prefs, wait for it to load and 
> announce that it has focus, then start doing whatever I wanted, I have very 
> few incidents of that behaviour.  I have also noticed that this is not 
> limited to Mavericks or Mountain Lion, if I’m impatient on an iMac using Snow 
> Leopard, I can create the same busy scenario.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:47 AM, Laura ann Grymes  wrote:
> 
>> no but next macbook I get will have that drive.
>> 
>> Probably going to a macbook air when I change next year in the summer.
>> Laura Ann
>> 
>> Laura ann Grymes
>> agape.wellness.mass...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Daniel Montalvo Charameli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Laura!
>>> 
>>> Did you change into an SSD drive? If not, that's sadly very common.
>>> The problem here is that it happens even with an SSD drive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2013/12/11, Laura ann Grymes :
 my 2011 macbook pro has done this from day one of purchase.
 I just have to wait until it finishes unfortunately.
 
 I am going to take it to where I purchased a couple years ago and the
 service manager will check a few things for me.
 I will report back if it can be fixed.
 I have repaired permissions and no change.
 
 My macbook has 8 gb ram but has had this problem since I first changed over
 to mac.
 
 Its frustrating but wondering if it is just a voice over problem.
 
 Laura Ann
 
 Laura ann Grymes
 agape.wellness.mass...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:25 AM, Daniel Montalvo Charameli 
 
 wrote:
 
> Hello all:
> 
> I’d like to comment on an issue that a friend of mine has told me. It
> occurs to him on his brand new macbook Pro retina display. He has the
> top model, a 16 GB RAM and 2.6 Intel Core I7 processor. The thing is
> that he has noticed that VoiceOver keeps saying Busy busy constantly.
> As an example, he told me  that he opens the preferences pane pressing
> VO + d, locating the system preferences icon and then Enter. After
> that he has to wait for a long while and hears VoceOver saying the
> “busy” thing of death. He is really disappointed because that problem
> appeared to b solved with SSD hard disks and so I’ve said to him. We
> have tested that in my 2011 MBP because I recently changed the
> original disk by a Samsung Evo 840 and in fact Voiceover busy issues
> happen much less than with mechanical disks.
> 
> Has anybody experienced these problems in 2013 machines? Has anyone
> figured out how to solve them if they exist? Before reinstalling the
> OS I’d like to see how you’re gone about dealing with these annoying
> issues.
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Re: Apple Care Policy

[Becky]

Hi
How do you update the apple care?
Vecky

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 11, 2013, at 3:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi guys
I have from a valid source the information that when your AppleCare runs out 
you can pay $20 for your session. If I ever needed, it is worth it.
Sincerely,
Gigi

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> On Dec 10, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Antonio Guimaraes  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I don't know if this has been mentioned on this list, but you get AppleCare 
> extended for three months if you upgrade to Mavericks.
> 
> This policy is in place even   for people with older computers like myself. I 
> have a 2008  iMac, and I spent a considerable amount of time trying to fix my 
> issues with mail with a rep from the Apple Accessibility line yesterday.
> 
> Just a quick FYI.
> 
> Antonio
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Re: Apple Care Policy

[Jessica D]

By upgrading to Mavericks if you haven't already. I love it!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Becky  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> How do you update the apple care?
> Vecky
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 3:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys
> I have from a valid source the information that when your AppleCare runs out 
> you can pay $20 for your session. If I ever needed, it is worth it.
> Sincerely,
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Antonio Guimaraes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I don't know if this has been mentioned on this list, but you get AppleCare 
>> extended for three months if you upgrade to Mavericks.
>> 
>> This policy is in place even   for people with older computers like myself. 
>> I have a 2008  iMac, and I spent a considerable amount of time trying to fix 
>> my issues with mail with a rep from the Apple Accessibility line yesterday.
>> 
>> Just a quick FYI.
>> 
>> Antonio
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Bluetooth Speakers Question

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I just recently connected a pair of bluetooth speakers to my mac, and twice I 
have completely lost VO, not sure if it has been a bluetooth pairing issue or 
me screwing up a setting. Both times I had to have someone who can see come in 
and fiddle around with my speaker output and VO output settings. I assumed VO 
would default to the internal speakers if there was a problem with bluetooth, 
but it didn't. Is there a way of setting up your audio output to go through the 
bluetooth and if bluetooth isn't working for some reason to go through the 
built in speakers? 

Also, for some odd reason I am not getting any sound anymore when I adjust the 
volume up or down. I used to get that mac beep or twirl sound every time I 
changed the volume. And it was working with the bluetooth speakers, but now it 
is gone, any ideas? 

Thanks

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Re: Trouble with mail

[Terje Strømberg]

Hi

I guess you have tried to restart mail? I had the same problem earlier today. 
Restarting mail did not fix the issuer at once, but it works now. Maybe i went 
to other inboxes and it worked again after a couple of restarts of mail.

Take care
 
10. des. 2013 kl. 03:25 skrev Cheryl Homiak :

> One thing I've found is this, even though I am using imap: If I find that my 
> inbox is empty even though I know I should have mail, I quit mail and open it 
> again and usually a bunch of mail shows up within a few seconds.
> 
> -- 
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> 
> Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
> meet Immanuel (God with us),
> Jesus, the crucified Savior,
> Christ, the risen Lord.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 9, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> They did release a fix. I think it fixed some issues, but not all. 
>> Strangely, I didn't have any issues with Gmail and Mail until just recently. 
>> I guess that's just the unpredictable nature of the bug.
>> 
>> And yes, it's an equal opportunity bug plaguing VoiceOver and non-VoiceOver 
>> users alike. :)
>> 
>> On 10 Jan 2013, at 5:38 AM, Antonio Guimaraes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Nick,
>> 
>> I thought Apple released a fix for the issue. I it possible their patch 
>> still didn't fix things?
>> 
>> More important, I'd like to know if the mail issues are VoiceOver related, 
>> or is the problem an equal opportunity limitation opposed on all Mac users.
>> 
>> Best,Antonio M Guimaraes Jr.
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 0:08, Nicholas Parsons  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This doesn't sound like any problem with Mail preferences or System 
>>> Preferences. It is a known issue with gMail on Mavericks. Apple is working 
>>> on a fix, but who knows ho long before they really fix it. If you want more 
>>> information on it, a Google search is bound to bring up plenty of results.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nic
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Re: Bluetooth Speakers Question

[Teresa Cochran]

Try VO utility, sound. There’s a set of options in there for VO output: system 
default and whatever devices you have. I have a USB headset and built-in audio, 
and when my Bluetooth device was connected, it showed that as well. Check your 
settings as they are now. For example, you might not want your output to be 
Bluetooth for vO, as you may not use that always. If you do use the speakers 
constantly, you might want to set the vO output to use them by default. 

Also, explore the sound settings in system preferences. You can choose the 
output device for the sound effects in that tab. You will also find a checkbox 
that says “play feedback when volume is changed”, which will give you the 
little beep you’re after.

HtH,
Teresa

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On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I just recently connected a pair of bluetooth speakers to my mac, and twice I 
> have completely lost VO, not sure if it has been a bluetooth pairing issue or 
> me screwing up a setting. Both times I had to have someone who can see come 
> in and fiddle around with my speaker output and VO output settings. I assumed 
> VO would default to the internal speakers if there was a problem with 
> bluetooth, but it didn't. Is there a way of setting up your audio output to 
> go through the bluetooth and if bluetooth isn't working for some reason to go 
> through the built in speakers? 
> 
> Also, for some odd reason I am not getting any sound anymore when I adjust 
> the volume up or down. I used to get that mac beep or twirl sound every time 
> I changed the volume. And it was working with the bluetooth speakers, but now 
> it is gone, any ideas? 
> 
> Thanks
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matching same speaking rate with voiceover between devices

[Daniel McGee]

Hi all, currently have an iPhone and a Mac Book Pro and am trying to determine 
the same speaking rate between the two devices.
I hope this makes sense that is I am wanting to adjust the percentage of the 
speaking rate of the two above devices so that in order when I am switching 
from one of the devices to the other they will both still be at the same 
speaking rate.

The speaking rate of the iphone is at 30% 
and 
The Mac Book Pro speaking rate is at 45%
This is using the Daniel voice.

Would anyone say that this is the same speed?

p.s.
If any of you guys happen to know the default speaking rate for Voiceover 
between the iphone and a Mac Book Pro then I would really appreciate it if you 
could tell me some percentages so I can then use that as a guide line in what I 
want to adjust them too.

Many thanks in advance

Daniel 

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Re: iPhones not joining network when hidden

[Agent086b]

Not sure about that it was more than a year ago.
I might try and connect the iPad while the network is hidden.
Thanks for the help.
Max

On 11 Dec 2013, at 10:28 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> When you added your iPhones, did you add them when the network was hidden?  
> I’m not sure that they will connect if the network is hidden after the fact.

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SD Card Space And Saving Email Attachments

[Desi Noller]

Hi Everyone,

My first question is pretty basic, and I’m sure I should probably know the 
answer, but I blame the cold I have for making my mind foggy!  Anyway, once I 
put an SD card into my iMac, how can I determine how much available space I 
have on it?

Secondly, is it possible to save an e-mail attachment directly to my SD card?  
Thanks so much!

Desi

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Re: Observation re Clickable Text

[Agent086b]

Hi,
I see this behaviour often when trying to print from a link to print from a 
site. There is a recipe site that my wife often asks me to print a recipe from, 
this is where I see this.
Max

On 12 Dec 2013, at 2:23 am, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> Just reporting on some interesting behaviour I just observed which might help 
> some people with clickable text/AJAX menus.
> 
> I was using a website and the main menu had apparently recently been updated. 
> In Safari version 6.0.5 on Mountain Lion, VoiceOver reported each item as 
> clickable. I tried doing a VO-space on an item, but it didn't work. I tried 
> routing the mouse and doing VO-shift-space as well as a physical click on the 
> TrackPad with TrackPad commander turned off, but neither of these worked 
> either. I then switched to Google Chrome and tried the same methods, but none 
> of them worked in Chrome either.
> 
> The interesting thing is I tried routing the mouse to the text, and then 
> turning VoiceOver off with command-F5 and then physically clicking the 
> TrackPad. This, strangely, worked. It opened an AJAX style submenu with 
> ordinary links I could click on. I tried this method several times and it 
> worked. I only tried it in Google Chrome, however.
> 
> So, moral of the story is if you find some clickable text or an AJAX style 
> menu that you can't seem to activate, try routing the mouse, turning 
> VoiceOver off and physically clicking the TrackPad. Not sure why there would 
> be any difference with VoiceOver turned on and QuickNav turned off compared 
> with having VoiceOver turned off, but it was clearly different.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nic
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Alternative Browsers

[Lee Jones]

Dear List wwhy are chrome and firefox not in the Mac aps store  when Opera
is. I can understand companies not wanting to pay apple commission but both
firefox and chrome are free anyway. Surely by making you download from third
party sites security is reduced. 

 

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Re: Alternative Browsers

[Chris H]

I believe Apple do not allow open source software to be published to the 
app store.


On 11/12/2013 20:51, Lee Jones wrote:

Dear List wwhy are chrome and firefox not in the Mac aps store  when Opera
is. I can understand companies not wanting to pay apple commission but both
firefox and chrome are free anyway. Surely by making you download from third
party sites security is reduced.



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Security Software

[Lee Jones]

Dear List I can't find  full spectrum security software in the aps store.  I
know that the consensus is that you don't need any,but I have heard that the
apple in built firewall is actually less strong than the windows firewall,
and on windows they still suggest you don't rely on it. Is everyone using
there macs without security software? There are some free programs in the ap
store, but clamsav only works when you are scanning and I'd like to keep the
stuff off my machine in the first place, not go scanning for it  once it is
there. I can't find Sophos in the ap store. Can anybody recommend any
accessible security software which doesnt degrade performance?

 

Many Thanks, Lee 

 

 

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FineReader Pro discounted upgrade

[Phil Halton]

Well, I was hanging back on purchasing FRPro and it paid off. I have ABBYY FR 
Express which entitled me to $20 off the price of $99. Then they sent me a 
email with an additional $20 off the upgrade price - total $59.99. Too good to 
pass up - I am downloading the massive .6GB app now.

Finally, a Mac OCR package that rivals whatever you can get on the windows side.

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Re: Alternative Browsers

[Mike Arrigo]

Some of this may be because of Apple's restrictions on apps that are 
allowed in the app store. Apps are required to use certain sand box 
rules and are restricted on what permissions they can have. By not 
using the app store, app developers are free to use all available 
resources on the mac. Installing apps outside of the app store should 
not be a problem as long as the user exercises common sense.

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Opera is. I can understand companies not wanting to pay apple 
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Re: Security Software

[Mike Arrigo]

Personally I do not use security software. Using good judgement and 
common sense is your best tool here. You will not find security suites 
in the app store because these intigrate in to your system, and Apple 
does not allow apps that do this in the store. I think the major 
security suite vendors, kaspersky, mcafee, etc. have software for the 
mac. Not sure how accessible it is, but I have no plans to try any of 
those on my systems. Sometimes this kind of software actually is 
overprotective and causes more problems than it solves.

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Dear List I can’t find full spectrum security software in the aps 
store. I know that the consensus is that you don’t need any,but I have 
heard that the apple in built firewall is actually less strong than the 
windows firewall, and on windows they still suggest you don’t rely on 
it. Is everyone using there macs without security software? There are 
some free programs in the ap store, but clamsav only works when you are 
scanning and I’d like to keep the stuff off my machine in the first 
place, not go scanning for it once it is there. I can’t find Sophos in 
the ap store. Can anybody recommend any accessible security software 
which doesnt degrade performance?



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Re: Bluetooth Speakers Question

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Teresa,

Yeah, that's what I thought the answer might be. I was really liking the VO 
going through the bluetooth speakers as VO was sounding a lot crisper, but with 
the bluetooth speakers having some issues I might have to stick to the old 
built in speakers or go through the 3.5 jack so as to not lose sound. It's 
strange as a couple of times when the bluetooth speakers hadn't connected yet 
when I woke the computer up the sound was going through the internal speakers, 
but then out of nowhere it just crapped out. Will have to get a sighted person 
back over here and play around with the settings. Thanks again. 
On Dec 11, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Try VO utility, sound. There’s a set of options in there for VO output: 
> system default and whatever devices you have. I have a USB headset and 
> built-in audio, and when my Bluetooth device was connected, it showed that as 
> well. Check your settings as they are now. For example, you might not want 
> your output to be Bluetooth for vO, as you may not use that always. If you do 
> use the speakers constantly, you might want to set the vO output to use them 
> by default. 
> 
> Also, explore the sound settings in system preferences. You can choose the 
> output device for the sound effects in that tab. You will also find a 
> checkbox that says “play feedback when volume is changed”, which will give 
> you the little beep you’re after.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I just recently connected a pair of bluetooth speakers to my mac, and twice 
>> I have completely lost VO, not sure if it has been a bluetooth pairing issue 
>> or me screwing up a setting. Both times I had to have someone who can see 
>> come in and fiddle around with my speaker output and VO output settings. I 
>> assumed VO would default to the internal speakers if there was a problem 
>> with bluetooth, but it didn't. Is there a way of setting up your audio 
>> output to go through the bluetooth and if bluetooth isn't working for some 
>> reason to go through the built in speakers? 
>> 
>> Also, for some odd reason I am not getting any sound anymore when I adjust 
>> the volume up or down. I used to get that mac beep or twirl sound every time 
>> I changed the volume. And it was working with the bluetooth speakers, but 
>> now it is gone, any ideas? 
>> 
>> Thanks
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Re: USb turntable help/reccomendations.

[Jessica Moss]

I originally didn't really want to go that route , but considering the fact 
that sons of the stuff I'm looking for is out of print and is available on 
vinal only, I unfortunatly don't have a choice.)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
> While I haven't played around with this, most USB turntables will not hook up 
> to your line in/out jacks. The turntable will just connect via USB and have a 
> built-in analog to digital converter. So it should just show up as a generic 
> audio input device which you can record from using your favorite app. You 
> could even do it with plain old quicktime if you so desired. the more tricky 
> stuff is splitting up the recorded audio into tracks along with any 
> post-processing for scratches and such. Then you also have to name each track 
> and add all the other meta data like album name, artist, release date etc. In 
> the end you have to consider if all that is worth your time. Unless you have 
> some rare or special stuff it might be money better spent in iTunes getting 
> pristine copies of your favorite tracks or even buying the CD versions and 
> importing them. If you still want to go forward I'd check into the turntables 
> offered by Sweetwater, Guitar Center, B&H and the like. Seems to start at 
> about $100 for a basic one and goes up to about $800 for a super deluxe model.
> 
> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=usb+turntable&Go=Search
> http://www.guitarcenter.com/Search/Default.aspx?internal=1&browser=&fsrc=usb+turntable&src=usb+turntable
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=usb+turntable&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 12/10/13 9:26 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> I'm wanting a usb turntable for Christmas, but not sure of a good model to 
>> buy, and kind of need a memory refresher on how to use one.
>>   I think I have the jist of it, needing to hook it into the line in/out 
>> jacks, which I'm not 100% sure which ones are where, and could use some tips 
>> on the conversion process, considering the fact that I've never really 
>> played around much with audacity much, sense the few times I've tried, I 
>> couldn't make heads or tails of it, so gave up on it, so would love some 
>> pointers.  Whatever info someone could give me here would really be 
>> appreciated.
> 
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Re: Security Software

[Ray Foret Jr]

Ever tried ClamXAV?  IF so, what do you think?  When I did, it seemed okay to 
me:  but, I could never be quite sure that it was monitoring my incoming 
e-mails or really protecting anything.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Dec 11, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Personally I do not use security software. Using good judgement and common 
> sense is your best tool here. You will not find security suites in the app 
> store because these intigrate in to your system, and Apple does not allow 
> apps that do this in the store. I think the major security suite vendors, 
> kaspersky, mcafee, etc. have software for the mac. Not sure how accessible it 
> is, but I have no plans to try any of those on my systems. Sometimes this 
> kind of software actually is overprotective and causes more problems than it 
> solves.
> Original message:
> 
>> Dear List I can’t find full spectrum security software in the aps store. I 
>> know that the consensus is that you don’t need any,but I have heard that the 
>> apple in built firewall is actually less strong than the windows firewall, 
>> and on windows they still suggest you don’t rely on it. Is everyone using 
>> there macs without security software? There are some free programs in the ap 
>> store, but clamsav only works when you are scanning and I’d like to keep the 
>> stuff off my machine in the first place, not go scanning for it once it is 
>> there. I can’t find Sophos in the ap store. Can anybody recommend any 
>> accessible security software which doesnt degrade performance?
> 
>> Many Thanks, Lee
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Re: FineReader Pro discounted upgrade

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Phil,

I assume you purchased Express via the web? Or does Abbyy’s site detect you 
have it on the system? I purchased Express via the app store and the app store 
are asking £69.99 for the pro. I do wish to purchase the pro version but would 
like to get any discounts that are available.

As far as it’s functionality. Can you scan directly into textEdit or Pages?

Thanks.

Gena




On 11 Dec 2013, at 21:31, Phil Halton  wrote:

> Well, I was hanging back on purchasing FRPro and it paid off. I have ABBYY FR 
> Express which entitled me to $20 off the price of $99. Then they sent me a 
> email with an additional $20 off the upgrade price - total $59.99. Too good 
> to pass up - I am downloading the massive .6GB app now.
> 
> Finally, a Mac OCR package that rivals whatever you can get on the windows 
> side.
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Adding events to calendar from mail

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi all!
I just signed up to this group today and have a question about adding an event 
to the calendar from a mail message.  This used to work for me a few versions 
of OS ago but I can't seem to get it to work now with Mavericks.  Any pointers 
or does anybody do this?
Maybe there is a keystroke I am missing?
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Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but now 
it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just put it 
into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to toggle VO on 
and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 command. I am 
still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks bug, any ideas? Thanks,

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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Jim Gatteys]

Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I thought 
it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
Jim

On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
> now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just put 
> it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to toggle 
> VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 command. I 
> am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks bug, any ideas? Thanks,
> 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Jim,

Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month ago, 
but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to figure 
out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came back on, but 
it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my computer.
On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
> minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I thought 
> it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
> Jim
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
>> now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just 
>> put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to 
>> toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 
>> command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks bug, any 
>> ideas? Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Angelo]

hi, could you tell us what Mac your using? I know there was a problem with the 
Mac mini, using a HTMI connection. Mine wants to revert to the headphone jack, 
but in the voiceover utility I switched it to always use HTMI.
best 
Angelo
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> Hey Jim,
> 
> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month ago, 
> but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to figure 
> out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came back on, 
> but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my computer.
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
>> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
>> minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
>> thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
>>> now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just 
>>> put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to 
>>> toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 
>>> command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks bug, any 
>>> ideas? Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Brett C.]

The problem has been bad enough for me that I’ve had to perform a hard shutdown 
to bring voiceover  back. This is with Mavericks.

Brett C.


On Dec 11, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey Jim,
> 
> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month ago, 
> but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to figure 
> out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came back on, 
> but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my computer.
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
>> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
>> minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
>> thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
>>> now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just 
>>> put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to 
>>> toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 
>>> command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks bug, any 
>>> ideas? Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Brian Fischler]

Hey I am using a iMac 2010 and have a pair of bluetooth speakers. I have tried 
using all different sound output settings including the 3.5 jack to the 
speakers and the VO kicking out happens with all settings.
On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Angelo  wrote:

> hi, could you tell us what Mac your using? I know there was a problem with 
> the Mac mini, using a HTMI connection. Mine wants to revert to the headphone 
> jack, but in the voiceover utility I switched it to always use HTMI.
> best 
> Angelo
> a.rock...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Jim,
>> 
>> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month ago, 
>> but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to figure 
>> out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came back on, 
>> but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my computer.
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
>>> minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
>>> thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
 now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just 
 put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to 
 toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 
 command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks bug, any 
 ideas? Thanks,
 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Donna Goodin]

Hello:

I'm experiencing this same issue, or at least a similar one.  For me it seems 
tied to connecting and disconnecting from AC.  I'm using a 2013 MacBook Air.
Best,
Donna
On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Angelo  wrote:

> hi, could you tell us what Mac your using? I know there was a problem with 
> the Mac mini, using a HTMI connection. Mine wants to revert to the headphone 
> jack, but in the voiceover utility I switched it to always use HTMI.
> best 
> Angelo
> a.rock...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Jim,
>> 
>> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month ago, 
>> but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to figure 
>> out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came back on, 
>> but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my computer.
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
>>> minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
>>> thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
 now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just 
 put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to 
 toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 
 command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks bug, any 
 ideas? Thanks,
 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Donna Goodin]

I haven't had to do that, but I have had to hit the shut-down key before VO 
would come back on.  Then I would go into the Window Chooser and close that 
window.

BTW, I'm still running Lion.
Best,
Donna
On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:05 PM, "Brett C."  wrote:

> The problem has been bad enough for me that I’ve had to perform a hard 
> shutdown to bring voiceover  back. This is with Mavericks.
> 
> Brett C.
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Jim,
>> 
>> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month ago, 
>> but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to figure 
>> out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came back on, 
>> but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my computer.
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
>>> minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
>>> thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
 now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just 
 put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to 
 toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi Brian!
I never actually noticed it until mavericks.  And I can't tell if it is my 
entire computer or just voiceover not being responsive.  Oh well, guess its 
time to play around more with it to see if I can find an answer.
Jim

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> Hey Jim,
> 
> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month ago, 
> but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to figure 
> out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came back on, 
> but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my computer.
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
>> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
>> minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
>> thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
>>> now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just 
>>> put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to 
>>> toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 
>>> command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks bug, any 
>>> ideas? Thanks,
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi Angelo!
I am using a macbook pro 13 inch, about a year old.  and it was working fine 
until I downloaded and installed Mavericks.
Jim

On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Angelo  wrote:

> hi, could you tell us what Mac your using? I know there was a problem with 
> the Mac mini, using a HTMI connection. Mine wants to revert to the headphone 
> jack, but in the voiceover utility I switched it to always use HTMI.
> best 
> Angelo
> a.rock...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Jim,
>> 
>> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month ago, 
>> but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to figure 
>> out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came back on, 
>> but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my computer.
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
>>> minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
>>> thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
 now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just 
 put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to 
 toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Jim,

I am still on Mountain Lion, and with all the responses it sounds like it is 
every version of OS, and it is something that just happened more and more 
frequently in the last 6 weeks. Not sure what could have changed for me besides 
the remote updates which I never know what those are, and safari updates, but 
that shouldn't affect VO coming out of sleep mode. It's definitely strange.
On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> Hi Brian!
> I never actually noticed it until mavericks.  And I can't tell if it is my 
> entire computer or just voiceover not being responsive.  Oh well, guess its 
> time to play around more with it to see if I can find an answer.
> Jim
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Jim,
>> 
>> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month ago, 
>> but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to figure 
>> out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came back on, 
>> but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my computer.
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
>>> minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
>>> thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
 now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just 
 put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to 
 toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 
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Re: FineReader Pro discounted upgrade

[Phil Halton]

I bought the express version from the website. I'm having a little trouble 
getting the pro version working, but I'm sure I'll get it figured out - others 
are using it successfully, so I will too.

On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello Phil,
> 
> I assume you purchased Express via the web? Or does Abbyy’s site detect you 
> have it on the system? I purchased Express via the app store and the app 
> store are asking £69.99 for the pro. I do wish to purchase the pro version 
> but would like to get any discounts that are available.
> 
> As far as it’s functionality. Can you scan directly into textEdit or Pages?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11 Dec 2013, at 21:31, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> Well, I was hanging back on purchasing FRPro and it paid off. I have ABBYY 
>> FR Express which entitled me to $20 off the price of $99. Then they sent me 
>> a email with an additional $20 off the upgrade price - total $59.99. Too 
>> good to pass up - I am downloading the massive .6GB app now.
>> 
>> Finally, a Mac OCR package that rivals whatever you can get on the windows 
>> side.
>> 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Donna Goodin]

Brian and all,

I need to correct a typo, I'm running Mountain Lion, not Lion.
Donna
On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey Jim,
> 
> I am still on Mountain Lion, and with all the responses it sounds like it is 
> every version of OS, and it is something that just happened more and more 
> frequently in the last 6 weeks. Not sure what could have changed for me 
> besides the remote updates which I never know what those are, and safari 
> updates, but that shouldn't affect VO coming out of sleep mode. It's 
> definitely strange.
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Brian!
>> I never actually noticed it until mavericks.  And I can't tell if it is my 
>> entire computer or just voiceover not being responsive.  Oh well, guess its 
>> time to play around more with it to see if I can find an answer.
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Jim,
>>> 
>>> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month 
>>> ago, but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to 
>>> figure out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came 
>>> back on, but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my 
>>> computer.
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>> 
 Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
 minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
 thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
 Jim
 
 On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
> Hey all,
> 
> Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile 
> but now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off 
> just put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I 
> have to toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with 
> the VO F5 command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks 
> bug, any ideas? Thanks,
> 
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ordering contents of folders in ML

[Phil Halton]

Currently all the files and folders in my documents folder are sorted and 
presented alphabetically. I would like folders to appear at the top of the 
list, followed by files. How can I set up finder to do this?

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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Kimberly thurman]

Yep, me too.  I’m using a 2013 MBA as well.
On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hello:
> 
> I'm experiencing this same issue, or at least a similar one.  For me it seems 
> tied to connecting and disconnecting from AC.  I'm using a 2013 MacBook Air.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Angelo  wrote:
> 
>> hi, could you tell us what Mac your using? I know there was a problem with 
>> the Mac mini, using a HTMI connection. Mine wants to revert to the headphone 
>> jack, but in the voiceover utility I switched it to always use HTMI.
>> best 
>> Angelo
>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Jim,
>>> 
>>> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month 
>>> ago, but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to 
>>> figure out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came 
>>> back on, but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my 
>>> computer.
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>> 
 Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
 minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
 thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
 Jim
 
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> Hey all,
> 
> Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile 
> but now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off 
> just put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I 
> have to toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with 
> the VO F5 command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks 
> bug, any ideas? Thanks,
> 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Amber Wallenstein]

I have this problem on my older macbook, but not my new one. I have an air and 
it works great. But with the slower older computer, it does.
Amber

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:05 PM, "Brett C."  wrote:
> 
> The problem has been bad enough for me that I’ve had to perform a hard 
> shutdown to bring voiceover  back. This is with Mavericks.
> 
> Brett C.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Jim,
>> 
>> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month ago, 
>> but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to figure 
>> out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came back on, 
>> but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my computer.
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
>>> minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
>>> thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
>>> Jim
>>> 
 On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile but 
 now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off just 
 put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I have to 
 toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with the VO F5 
 command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks bug, any 
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question with kindle for IOS and Braille display

[Amber Wallenstein]

Hello all,  I am using  kindle  for IOS on my IPhone and IPad. I am also using 
a focus forty with bluetooth. When I read a kindle book on the display, when I 
go to the next page, I always end up at the bottom of that page and have to 
scroll to the top.  Has anyone had this  problem, and if so,  how did you 
resolve it?
Thanks.
Amber


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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[May and Noah]

I have this issue and it’s annoying. Happens all the time.

I have a 2013 macbook aire
May and Prince Noah
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On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Amber Wallenstein  wrote:

> I have this problem on my older macbook, but not my new one. I have an air 
> and it works great. But with the slower older computer, it does.
> Amber
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:05 PM, "Brett C."  wrote:
>> 
>> The problem has been bad enough for me that I’ve had to perform a hard 
>> shutdown to bring voiceover  back. This is with Mavericks.
>> 
>> Brett C.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Jim,
>>> 
>>> Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month 
>>> ago, but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to 
>>> figure out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came 
>>> back on, but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my 
>>> computer.
 On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
 
 Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
 minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
 thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
 Jim
 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile 
> but now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off 
> just put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I 
> have to toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with 
> the VO F5 command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks 
> bug, any ideas? Thanks,
> 
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Mail Filters Just stopped Working

[Brian Fischler]

Wow, I think my Mac must be getting ready to crap out as everything is stopping 
working first VO won't turn on out of sleep mode, and now out of the blue all 
of my mail filters just stopped working. I am running Mountain Lion and have 
set up my mail filter rules in gmail, and they worked fine yesterday, but today 
everything is going directly to my inbox. Anyone else having this happen? Is my 
only option to delete all of my mail filters and set them all up again. I set 
them up in gmail as theoretically that would mean that all these messages would 
not go to my inbox on my iPhone, but that never works. Sometimes the messages 
that are supposed to be filtered would go to my selected mailbox on my iPhone, 
but strangely only when I am on WiFi at home, as soon as I leave the apartment 
all of the messages that are supposed to be filtered go to my inbox defeating 
the purpose. Any ideas? Thanks

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Re: ordering contents of folders in ML

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Phil,

As long as you’re in list view, you can interact with the list and navigate to 
the Kind column then use the Jump to header command, press VO-Space, then do 
the Jump to header command, and your documents will be sorted alphabetically 
within types. If you don’t have any Adobe files, then folders will come first 
before HTML, Keynote, etc.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Currently all the files and folders in my documents folder are sorted and 
> presented alphabetically. I would like folders to appear at the top of the 
> list, followed by files. How can I set up finder to do this?
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Re: question with kindle for IOS and Braille display

[Teresa Cochran]

If you have the one with the whiz wheels, try moving the left one up a notch. 
Also try dot-1-space. Oddly enough, I haven’t experienced this issue, so I’m 
not sure if this will help.

htH,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

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> Hello all,  I am using  kindle  for IOS on my IPhone and IPad. I am also 
> using a focus forty with bluetooth. When I read a kindle book on the display, 
> when I go to the next page, I always end up at the bottom of that page and 
> have to scroll to the top.  Has anyone had this  problem, and if so,  how did 
> you resolve it?
> Thanks.
> Amber
> 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Teresa Cochran]

That’s odd. I have a late 2009 Mac Mini and I haven’t experienced this issue.

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:46 PM, May and Noah  wrote:

> I have this issue and it’s annoying. Happens all the time.
> 
> I have a 2013 macbook aire
> May and Prince Noah
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Amber Wallenstein  
> wrote:
> 
>> I have this problem on my older macbook, but not my new one. I have an air 
>> and it works great. But with the slower older computer, it does.
>> Amber
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:05 PM, "Brett C."  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The problem has been bad enough for me that I’ve had to perform a hard 
>>> shutdown to bring voiceover  back. This is with Mavericks.
>>> 
>>> Brett C.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 11, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 Hey Jim,
 
 Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month 
 ago, but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to 
 figure out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came 
 back on, but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my 
 computer.
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least 
> a minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
> thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
> Jim
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile 
>> but now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off 
>> just put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I 
>> have to toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with 
>> the VO F5 command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks 
>> bug, any ideas? Thanks,
>> 
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putting text on the right hand side of a page and how to know which side it's on

[Andrew Head]

Hi all,
Just wondering, when writing a letter, how do I move text over to the right to 
put the recipient address? and how do I then get back to the left side of the 
page and how can I tell which side of the page text is on? 
while I’m at it, also how do I put text in the centre of the screen?
I’m using pages 
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