BRF files of ML manual

2012-09-17 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi
Is it possible to download these? I went to the Apple Accessibility link posted 
here a while ago and only see a way to order an embossed copy or access the 
manual online. The Lighthouse page only seems to offer a buying option.
I'd be grateful if anybody knows how to get the .brf files of these so I can 
read them on my notetaker while performing the actions with my Mac. I seem to 
learn best that way.

Cheers
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Re: BRF files of ML manual

2012-09-17 Thread Thuy
Hi Lisette. I think this link should work:
http://images.apple.com/accessibility/pdf/VoiceOver_Mountain_Lion.zip
Hope this helps?

Cheers
Thuy

On 17/09/2012, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:
> Hi
> Is it possible to download these? I went to the Apple Accessibility link
> posted here a while ago and only see a way to order an embossed copy or
> access the manual online. The Lighthouse page only seems to offer a buying
> option.
> I'd be grateful if anybody knows how to get the .brf files of these so I can
> read them on my notetaker while performing the actions with my Mac. I seem
> to learn best that way.
>
> Cheers
> Lisette
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Re: BRF files of ML manual

2012-09-17 Thread Thuy
For some reason, activating the link doesn't seem to work. You may
need to select the text and paste it into a browser. I know it seems
to imply that they are pdf files, but once you download the zip and
extract it, you'll find there are brf files in there.

Cheers

Thuy


On 17/09/2012, Thuy  wrote:
> Hi Lisette. I think this link should work:
> http://images.apple.com/accessibility/pdf/VoiceOver_Mountain_Lion.zip
> Hope this helps?
>
> Cheers
> Thuy
>
> On 17/09/2012, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:
>> Hi
>> Is it possible to download these? I went to the Apple Accessibility link
>> posted here a while ago and only see a way to order an embossed copy or
>> access the manual online. The Lighthouse page only seems to offer a
>> buying
>> option.
>> I'd be grateful if anybody knows how to get the .brf files of these so I
>> can
>> read them on my notetaker while performing the actions with my Mac. I
>> seem
>> to learn best that way.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lisette
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Any MainStage Users On This List?

2012-09-17 Thread Gavin Grundlingh
Hi all,

I recently came across MainStage in the app store. Apparently, it will allow me 
to create all sorts of on-stage setups directly from my computer. I downloaded 
the app, but when I go to open it, I get one of those lovely "MainStage has no 
windows" screens. When I asked for sighted assistance, I was told that 
MainStage was downloading basic content. When I next checked on it, the 
download had failed for no apparent reason. Either it's because I unknowingly 
Command-Tabbed into the MainStage window and managed to hit "Stop" or "Cancel" 
by mistake, or it's because of my crappy Internet connection. Does anyone know 
what "basic content" it's trying to download? Is there a link to said content I 
can use in a browser or a download manager? As a last resort, is there a way to 
ensure the content is downloaded in full from within MainStage itself without 
having to do nothing else on my computer for 12 hours?

Regards,

Gavin Grundlingh
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Re: iTunes libraries

2012-09-17 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Esther, is there anything you don't know? ;) I'm very impressed with your 
knowledge and explanations! I know who to ask now for any Mac-related questions.

Cheers,
Nic

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VO and Linked In

2012-09-17 Thread Mary Scott
Hi all, I keep getting invitations for Linkedin.  I think it would be good for 
me proffesionally but does it work well with VO?  Does anyone here have 
experience with it?  Mel  

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Re: VO and Linked In

2012-09-17 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi, I use it just fine.  It's big and a bit clunky, but as social networking 
sites go it really is decent.  They won't move the furniture on you every 6 
months and the layout is actually pretty intuitive.

Best,

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> Hi all, I keep getting invitations for Linkedin.  I think it would be good 
> for me proffesionally but does it work well with VO?  Does anyone here have 
> experience with it?  Mel  
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Re: VO and Linked In

2012-09-17 Thread Maxwell Ivey
hello; i find it much easier to use than Facebook or google plus if that helps. 
 and if you decide to join please send me an invite to join your network. good 
luck, max 
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> for me proffesionally but does it work well with VO?  Does anyone here have 
> experience with it?  Mel  
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ml mail and attachments?

2012-09-17 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi folks,
trouble shooting with a friend, so I trust I ask this clearly.
I am working with someone who is outfitting a computer for another 
operating system, not a mac.
However, they are using a macbook with mountain lion on it for our 
communications, including when I send him programs to install on the other 
computer.
because macs are so efficient though each time I send him something the mac 
makes an effort to unzip the contents instead of just leaving the file 
alone.  This often results in sub directories we cannot reach and the like, 
and since the files are not for the mac and the machine in question is not 
a Mac either, the kind assistance is not very helpful.
is there something he can do in his mail setup that keeps the file untouched 
when we move it from his inbox to say the usb floppy drive he has attached 
to the macbook?  I suspect the download area as the source for the 
unpacking effort, but this is just a guess.

thoughts & ideas?
Thanks,
Karen

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Re: using click to flash

2012-09-17 Thread Timothy Clark Music
oh don't get me wrong there are points to using such a plugin i just never 
found the need for it. 
 
Timothy 
  Your Friend in the music industry 
 http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com

On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:47 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Chris, Timothy, Steve, Teresa, and Others,
> 
> Steve is correct that there are reasons for wanting to block flash --
> if only because you want to control how your resources are used, and
> that your memory is not taken up playing flash-based advertisements
> when you load web pages.  In other instances, when video content is
> available both as flash and HTML5, blocking flash and forcing the
> loading of HTML5 versions can give you accessible player controls.
> This was the way we used to get sound samples to play on the
> Audible.com before they transitioned to HTML5. The original idea
> behind the click-to-flash plug-in was that it simply blocked the
> automatic loading of flash content and gave you control of what was
> loaded. (Teresa explained some of this in her post).  There was a
> later click-to Safari extension that expanded the functionality, and
> then there was further development of the click-to plug-in.  You
> probably only want to load one of these.  So the answer is that this
> should give you improved accessibility (access to player controls in
> some situations where you wouldn't otherwise have this), and also more
> control over your Safari resources use, as well as preventing unwanted
> flash loading.
> 
> The current information for both the ClickToPlugin and the
> ClickToFlash Safari extensions may be found here:
> http://hoyois.github.com/safariextensions/clicktoplugin/
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Sep 16, 7:32 pm, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> I could imagine many reasons to block flash from pages.  Just like java and 
>> javascript.  These things execute code from other people's websites on your 
>> computer.  I would only want to allow such scripting engines to run code 
>> from known and trusted websites.  There is a Firefox plug-in called noscript 
>> that allows you to allow javascript to run from only those sites you permit. 
>>  Things are much more secure that way.  I believe most of the computer 
>> hackery of late comes from mal where using the java runtime on your computer 
>> and also flash.  Look at how many security updates had to be made to flash 
>> over the years.  Frankly, between the security holes and accessibility 
>> problems with flash, that parasite should be removed from all our computers! 
>> They already gave up on mobile devices so let's get it out of our computers 
>> too; I'm all for that.
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Same here.  I have to agree with Tommothy, but then, that's me.
>> 
>>> Chris.
>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Timothy Clark Music
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: using click to flash
>> 
>>> i just never had luck with it.
>>>  it seams kind of pointless for me at least.
>>>  i never got the point why you would want to block flash.
>>> Timothy
>>>   Your Friend in the music industry
>>>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
 Hi, Chris,
>> 
 It's very configurable. You can set it to allow flash on a page or domain. 
 Also, flash can be resource-hungry, so there are times you may not want it 
 to run.
>> 
 HtH,
 Teresa
>> 
 On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:59 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
>> 
> Yeah... I dono...  I... hmm...  I suppose this could be cool, but 
> honestly, why would you want something that blocks you from certain 
> content?  That seems a bit narling.  What if you do want to access flash 
> content that you know will be accessible, yet, the thing blocks it.  
> Then, you're screwed, I'd presume?
>> 
> Chris.
>> 
> - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:59 AM
> Subject: Re: using click to flash
>> 
> Hi Chris,
>> 
> Click-toFlash will block most flash content except the players it 
> recognizes. If it doesn't support content, a placeholder will appear with 
> the word "flash". You can do a Vo-mouse-click, shift-VO-space on it, or 
> you can press control-command-w to allow the content. The extension has a 
> lot of preferences, which you can access from the Safari extensions area 
> of Safari preferences, or by pressing option-comma from any webpage.
>> 
> There are a lot of players that are supported. You can use BBC, Youtube, 
> Audible, and many others. With the supported players, a group of items 
> called "video element controller" will appear. These buttons are 
> accessible. This extension is especially useful on blogs with embedded 
> players.
>> 
> I'd suggest updating

Re: ml mail and attachments?

2012-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
How is he saving the attachments? I go to file > save attachments and am able 
to use standard finder commands to get to the folder I want, then press enter. 
I have not tried to detach a zip file, but I would not expect any problems.
On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> trouble shooting with a friend, so I trust I ask this clearly.
> I am working with someone who is outfitting a computer for another operating 
> system, not a mac.
> However, they are using a macbook with mountain lion on it for our 
> communications, including when I send him programs to install on the other 
> computer.
> because macs are so efficient though each time I send him something the mac 
> makes an effort to unzip the contents instead of just leaving the file alone. 
>  This often results in sub directories we cannot reach and the like, and 
> since the files are not for the mac and the machine in question is not a Mac 
> either, the kind assistance is not very helpful.
> is there something he can do in his mail setup that keeps the file untouched 
> when we move it from his inbox to say the usb floppy drive he has attached to 
> the macbook?  I suspect the download area as the source for the unpacking 
> effort, but this is just a guess.
> thoughts & ideas?
> Thanks,
> Karen
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flash gone?

2012-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
I have recently found that no flash content will play. Not only do gVoice 
messages and Amazon song previews not play, but my Mactubes app has stopped 
working. I don't remember changing anything, but is there somehting I can check 
to see what might be going on? Safari is maddeningly silent on errors it 
encounters. Thanks


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ML mail signatures

2012-09-17 Thread Richard Ring
Hello:
I am trying to create some signatures for my messages. I guess I simply don't 
understand what the Mail software wants me to do.
If someone would go over the process for creating signatures, I'd be extremely 
grateful.

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Re: ML mail signatures

2012-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
Once in preferences > signatures, select the all signatures tab (putting 
signatures in accounts does not work for some reason). Use the add button, type 
your signature, and there you go. You can choose how to use them, which is 
default, and so forth here as well. If you need more details, let me know, but 
the key is to not use accounts when adding signatures.
On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:

> Hello:
> I am trying to create some signatures for my messages. I guess I simply don't 
> understand what the Mail software wants me to do.
> If someone would go over the process for creating signatures, I'd be 
> extremely grateful.
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Re: ML mail signatures

2012-09-17 Thread John Panarese
Hi Rich,
Try the following.

1. Open Mail Preferences.
2. Make sure you select, signatures, from the buttons.
3. From the  signatures list, choose the account to which you want the 
signature.
4. Navigate passed the names table and edit area to the Add New, button going 
right.  Vo space on it.
5. You will be on an edit field to name the signature.  By default, it might 
say, Signature #1.  Just type the name of the signature you want for it.
6. Stop interacting and navigate right to the edit field.  There will be 
default text that will have your name and email address, but you can place 
whatever you want there.

 If you ahve more than one signature for an account, you can choose a 
default signature from a popup button all the way to the right.


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On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:

> Hello:
> I am trying to create some signatures for my messages. I guess I simply don't 
> understand what the Mail software wants me to do.
> If someone would go over the process for creating signatures, I'd be 
> extremely grateful.
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Re: ML mail signatures

2012-09-17 Thread Richard Ring
I'm gonna try this, it didn't seem to work before.
On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:20 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

> Hi Rich,
>Try the following.
> 
> 1. Open Mail Preferences.
> 2. Make sure you select, signatures, from the buttons.
> 3. From the  signatures list, choose the account to which you want the 
> signature.
> 4. Navigate passed the names table and edit area to the Add New, button going 
> right.  Vo space on it.
> 5. You will be on an edit field to name the signature.  By default, it might 
> say, Signature #1.  Just type the name of the signature you want for it.
> 6. Stop interacting and navigate right to the edit field.  There will be 
> default text that will have your name and email address, but you can place 
> whatever you want there.
> 
> If you ahve more than one signature for an account, you can choose a 
> default signature from a popup button all the way to the right.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> Twitter, @macfortheblind
> 
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> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:
> 
>> Hello:
>> I am trying to create some signatures for my messages. I guess I simply 
>> don't understand what the Mail software wants me to do.
>> If someone would go over the process for creating signatures, I'd be 
>> extremely grateful.
>> 
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Re: Any MainStage Users On This List?

2012-09-17 Thread CJ Daniel
Gavin,

I, recently, downloaded Main Stage too.  I did it for the Apple Jam Packs, 
which are usable in Garageband as well.  I ran in to some of the same problems, 
but eventually I got to a place where VoiceOver could tell me what was going 
on.  Then, I spent an additional two afternoons downloading additional content. 
 

Anyway, relaunch it, leave it alone, & it should resume that download.  After 
it is done & installs the content, you should be able to interact with it.  As 
for your poor connection, If it continues to fail, maybe you could go to a 
friends with a better one?

Good luck,

CJ


On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Gavin Grundlingh  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I recently came across MainStage in the app store. Apparently, it will allow 
> me to create all sorts of on-stage setups directly from my computer. I 
> downloaded the app, but when I go to open it, I get one of those lovely 
> "MainStage has no windows" screens. When I asked for sighted assistance, I 
> was told that MainStage was downloading basic content. When I next checked on 
> it, the download had failed for no apparent reason. Either it's because I 
> unknowingly Command-Tabbed into the MainStage window and managed to hit 
> "Stop" or "Cancel" by mistake, or it's because of my crappy Internet 
> connection. Does anyone know what "basic content" it's trying to download? Is 
> there a link to said content I can use in a browser or a download manager? As 
> a last resort, is there a way to ensure the content is downloaded in full 
> from within MainStage itself without having to do nothing else on my computer 
> for 12 hours?
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: ML mail signatures

2012-09-17 Thread matthew Dyer
Hi,

I have a siginiture that I woulld like to use.  I already createded it so how 
do I tell my account that I want too use it?  Thanks.

Matthew


On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Once in preferences > signatures, select the all signatures tab (putting 
> signatures in accounts does not work for some reason). Use the add button, 
> type your signature, and there you go. You can choose how to use them, which 
> is default, and so forth here as well. If you need more details, let me know, 
> but the key is to not use accounts when adding signatures.
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:
> 
>> Hello:
>> I am trying to create some signatures for my messages. I guess I simply 
>> don't understand what the Mail software wants me to do.
>> If someone would go over the process for creating signatures, I'd be 
>> extremely grateful.
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Re: ML mail signatures

2012-09-17 Thread John Panarese
   Is it associated with an account already?  You need to have it listed with 
the specific account.  It will be available in a popup button when you compose 
a new message or reply to pick it if it is not the default signature for the 
outgoing account.


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On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:28 PM, matthew Dyer  
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a siginiture that I woulld like to use.  I already createded it so how 
> do I tell my account that I want too use it?  Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Once in preferences > signatures, select the all signatures tab (putting 
>> signatures in accounts does not work for some reason). Use the add button, 
>> type your signature, and there you go. You can choose how to use them, which 
>> is default, and so forth here as well. If you need more details, let me 
>> know, but the key is to not use accounts when adding signatures.
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> I am trying to create some signatures for my messages. I guess I simply 
>>> don't understand what the Mail software wants me to do.
>>> If someone would go over the process for creating signatures, I'd be 
>>> extremely grateful.
>>> 
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Re: ML mail signatures

2012-09-17 Thread matthew Dyer
Hi,  It is there.  I want to assosieate it to my gmail account.  Can this be 
done with vo?  Thanks.


Matthew


On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:32 PM, John Panarese wrote:

>   Is it associated with an account already?  You need to have it listed with 
> the specific account.  It will be available in a popup button when you 
> compose a new message or reply to pick it if it is not the default signature 
> for the outgoing account.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> 
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:28 PM, matthew Dyer  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a siginiture that I woulld like to use.  I already createded it so 
>> how do I tell my account that I want too use it?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> Once in preferences > signatures, select the all signatures tab (putting 
>>> signatures in accounts does not work for some reason). Use the add button, 
>>> type your signature, and there you go. You can choose how to use them, 
>>> which is default, and so forth here as well. If you need more details, let 
>>> me know, but the key is to not use accounts when adding signatures.
>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello:
 I am trying to create some signatures for my messages. I guess I simply 
 don't understand what the Mail software wants me to do.
 If someone would go over the process for creating signatures, I'd be 
 extremely grateful.
 
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Re: ML mail signatures

2012-09-17 Thread John Panarese
 In the signature pane, first copy the text of the signature to the 
clipboard by selectinginteracting and  all with command-a and then command-c to 
copy it.  Then, navigate to your gmail account and then to the, add new, 
button.  Create a new signature and then just paste the text you copied into 
the edit field.  This is how I created my business signature for my multiple 
accounts.


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On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:36 PM, matthew Dyer  
wrote:

> Hi,  It is there.  I want to assosieate it to my gmail account.  Can this be 
> done with vo?  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:32 PM, John Panarese wrote:
> 
>>  Is it associated with an account already?  You need to have it listed with 
>> the specific account.  It will be available in a popup button when you 
>> compose a new message or reply to pick it if it is not the default signature 
>> for the outgoing account.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> Twitter, @macfortheblind
>> 
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>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:28 PM, matthew Dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have a siginiture that I woulld like to use.  I already createded it so 
>>> how do I tell my account that I want too use it?  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Once in preferences > signatures, select the all signatures tab (putting 
 signatures in accounts does not work for some reason). Use the add button, 
 type your signature, and there you go. You can choose how to use them, 
 which is default, and so forth here as well. If you need more details, let 
 me know, but the key is to not use accounts when adding signatures.
 On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Richard Ring  wrote:
 
> Hello:
> I am trying to create some signatures for my messages. I guess I simply 
> don't understand what the Mail software wants me to do.
> If someone would go over the process for creating signatures, I'd be 
> extremely grateful.
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Re: ml mail and attachments?

2012-09-17 Thread Karen Lewellen

Here are the steps this person is using.

OK, I'm on the mac and I opened gmail thru gmail.  Your file is located at the bottom of the email 
thread With a downward facing arrow above it.  If I try to drag it directly to the external floppy 
drive I get a message stating I cannot drag the file/attachment anywhere until it has been 
downloaded.  When I click "download" from the message the file now shows it has been down 
loaded, but it still cannot me moved until I save the file somewhere  I always save to my "my 
downloads". From there I can change the extension and open the file to see its contents.
Granted I have already told him that looking at the contents may be part 
of theproblem, since we are just trying to move the zip archive.
I might add that gmail, where his address is, will not let you send any 
file that appears to have  program files zipped in it, so we are changing 
the extension to get the file things.  I still think that is not the 
problem.  Perhaps his looking at it is?

Karen





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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ml mail and attachments?

How is he saving the attachments? I go to file > save attachments and am able 
to use standard finder commands to get to the folder I want, then press enter. I 
have not tried to detach a zip file, but I would not expect any problems.
On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Hi folks,
trouble shooting with a friend, so I trust I ask this clearly.
I am working with someone who is outfitting a computer for another operating 
system, not a mac.
However, they are using a macbook with mountain lion on it for our 
communications, including when I send him programs to install on the other 
computer.
because macs are so efficient though each time I send him something the mac 
makes an effort to unzip the contents instead of just leaving the file alone.  
This often results in sub directories we cannot reach and the like, and since 
the files are not for the mac and the machine in question is not a Mac either, 
the kind assistance is not very helpful.
is there something he can do in his mail setup that keeps the file untouched 
when we move it from his inbox to say the usb floppy drive he has attached to 
the macbook?  I suspect the download area as the source for the unpacking 
effort, but this is just a guess.
thoughts & ideas?
Thanks,
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Re: BRF files of ML manual

2012-09-17 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi Thuy and all
Ok thanks so much for this link. Pressing on it does work, even though it 
appears not to.
This is a  trap for young players. 
Having pressed it multiple times and thinking nothing at all was happening, I 
finally looked in the downloads folder. There are now about 20 copies of the 
zip file (lol). I wish Safari would indicate that something was happening 
sometimes i.e. that a file had just downloaded or was starting to download. I 
didn't think to look in the downloads folder because pressing on the link 
appeared to produce no activity whatsoever. 
But I have the files now, and I wanted to let others know the link Thuy 
provided does work, even if you think it appears not to.
Thanks again.
Lisette


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> For some reason, activating the link doesn't seem to work. You may
> need to select the text and paste it into a browser. I know it seems
> to imply that they are pdf files, but once you download the zip and
> extract it, you'll find there are brf files in there.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Thuy
> 
> 
> On 17/09/2012, Thuy  wrote:
>> Hi Lisette. I think this link should work:
>> http://images.apple.com/accessibility/pdf/VoiceOver_Mountain_Lion.zip
>> Hope this helps?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Thuy
>> 
>> On 17/09/2012, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> Is it possible to download these? I went to the Apple Accessibility link
>>> posted here a while ago and only see a way to order an embossed copy or
>>> access the manual online. The Lighthouse page only seems to offer a
>>> buying
>>> option.
>>> I'd be grateful if anybody knows how to get the .brf files of these so I
>>> can
>>> read them on my notetaker while performing the actions with my Mac. I
>>> seem
>>> to learn best that way.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Lisette
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Re: BRF files of ML manual

2012-09-17 Thread Harry Hogue
Hi,

A trick I have learned is to go to the dock and type "download" which will move 
focus to your downloads folder.  Once there you will hear the progress of any 
file downloads.

Hope this helps,

Harry

On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi Thuy and all
> Ok thanks so much for this link. Pressing on it does work, even though it 
> appears not to.
> This is a  trap for young players. 
> Having pressed it multiple times and thinking nothing at all was happening, I 
> finally looked in the downloads folder. There are now about 20 copies of the 
> zip file (lol). I wish Safari would indicate that something was happening 
> sometimes i.e. that a file had just downloaded or was starting to download. I 
> didn't think to look in the downloads folder because pressing on the link 
> appeared to produce no activity whatsoever. 
> But I have the files now, and I wanted to let others know the link Thuy 
> provided does work, even if you think it appears not to.
> Thanks again.
> Lisette
> 
> 
> On 17/09/2012, at 10:50 PM, Thuy  wrote:
> 
>> For some reason, activating the link doesn't seem to work. You may
>> need to select the text and paste it into a browser. I know it seems
>> to imply that they are pdf files, but once you download the zip and
>> extract it, you'll find there are brf files in there.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Thuy
>> 
>> 
>> On 17/09/2012, Thuy  wrote:
>>> Hi Lisette. I think this link should work:
>>> http://images.apple.com/accessibility/pdf/VoiceOver_Mountain_Lion.zip
>>> Hope this helps?
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Thuy
>>> 
>>> On 17/09/2012, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:
 Hi
 Is it possible to download these? I went to the Apple Accessibility link
 posted here a while ago and only see a way to order an embossed copy or
 access the manual online. The Lighthouse page only seems to offer a
 buying
 option.
 I'd be grateful if anybody knows how to get the .brf files of these so I
 can
 read them on my notetaker while performing the actions with my Mac. I
 seem
 to learn best that way.
 
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Re: activating bookmarks

2012-09-17 Thread Roman van Genabith
That has been that way in lion, but I see the same issue under ml now! Neither 
bookmarks show up in the bookmarks nenu, nore is the Opem command in the safari 
view still there- actually, its gone since ml. I.m still wondering how to get 
my bookmarks back for use again!

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Re: ml mail and attachments?

2012-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
I think looking at it is indeed the problem, as Safari downloads zip files with 
no trouble at all. Also, using the gMail website seems a shame since you can 
use imap with gMail and the mac's mail app to sync mail across all your devices 
and the website. I do this and can check mail on my iPod, mac, windows install 
(via the website), bn apex (again using the website), or anywhere I have 
internet access. It might be worth doing this to make life easier. Also, have 
you considered using a shared dropbox folder instead of emails?
On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Here are the steps this person is using.
> 
> OK, I'm on the mac and I opened gmail thru gmail.  Your file is located at 
> the bottom of the email thread With a downward facing arrow above it.  If I 
> try to drag it directly to the external floppy drive I get a message stating 
> I cannot drag the file/attachment anywhere until it has been downloaded.  
> When I click "download" from the message the file now shows it has been down 
> loaded, but it still cannot me moved until I save the file somewhere  I 
> always save to my "my downloads". From there I can change the extension and 
> open the file to see its contents.
> Granted I have already told him that looking at the contents may be part of 
> theproblem, since we are just trying to move the zip archive.
> I might add that gmail, where his address is, will not let you send any file 
> that appears to have  program files zipped in it, so we are changing the 
> extension to get the file things.  I still think that is not the problem.  
> Perhaps his looking at it is?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> 
 From: Alex Hall 
 Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: ml mail and attachments?
 
 How is he saving the attachments? I go to file > save attachments and am 
 able to use standard finder commands to get to the folder I want, then 
 press enter. I have not tried to detach a zip file, but I would not expect 
 any problems.
 On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  
 wrote:
 
> Hi folks,
> trouble shooting with a friend, so I trust I ask this clearly.
> I am working with someone who is outfitting a computer for another 
> operating system, not a mac.
> However, they are using a macbook with mountain lion on it for our 
> communications, including when I send him programs to install on the 
> other computer.
> because macs are so efficient though each time I send him something the 
> mac makes an effort to unzip the contents instead of just leaving the 
> file alone.  This often results in sub directories we cannot reach and 
> the like, and since the files are not for the mac and the machine in 
> question is not a Mac either, the kind assistance is not very helpful.
> is there something he can do in his mail setup that keeps the file 
> untouched when we move it from his inbox to say the usb floppy drive he 
> has attached to the macbook?  I suspect the download area as the source 
> for the unpacking effort, but this is just a guess.
> thoughts & ideas?
> Thanks,
> Karen
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getting to most recent message

2012-09-17 Thread Agent086b
Hi, I have several mail boxes that I send messages to from the various email 
lists I belong to.
When I go to a mail box there appears to be no reason as to where I land in 
that mail box. Is there a way I can land on the first unread message? It is a 
waist of time going through all the previous read messages to get to the latest 
unread one.
Thanks as always for the help.
Max.

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Re: ml mail and attachments?

2012-09-17 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi,
I will pass along the ideas to the mac user.  as for a shared dropbox, 
actually it takes me less time, and I can send most anything via 
shellworld.  the issue would remain  as to how the mac is trying to unpack 
tings no matter where he drew the files from.

Karen


On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Alex Hall wrote:


I think looking at it is indeed the problem, as Safari downloads zip files with 
no trouble at all. Also, using the gMail website seems a shame since you can 
use imap with gMail and the mac's mail app to sync mail across all your devices 
and the website. I do this and can check mail on my iPod, mac, windows install 
(via the website), bn apex (again using the website), or anywhere I have 
internet access. It might be worth doing this to make life easier. Also, have 
you considered using a shared dropbox folder instead of emails?
On Sep 17, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Here are the steps this person is using.

OK, I'm on the mac and I opened gmail thru gmail.  Your file is located at the bottom of the email 
thread With a downward facing arrow above it.  If I try to drag it directly to the external floppy 
drive I get a message stating I cannot drag the file/attachment anywhere until it has been 
downloaded.  When I click "download" from the message the file now shows it has been down 
loaded, but it still cannot me moved until I save the file somewhere  I always save to my "my 
downloads". From there I can change the extension and open the file to see its contents.
Granted I have already told him that looking at the contents may be part of 
theproblem, since we are just trying to move the zip archive.
I might add that gmail, where his address is, will not let you send any file 
that appears to have  program files zipped in it, so we are changing the 
extension to get the file things.  I still think that is not the problem.  
Perhaps his looking at it is?
Karen





From: Alex Hall 
Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ml mail and attachments?

How is he saving the attachments? I go to file > save attachments and am able 
to use standard finder commands to get to the folder I want, then press enter. I 
have not tried to detach a zip file, but I would not expect any problems.
On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Hi folks,
trouble shooting with a friend, so I trust I ask this clearly.
I am working with someone who is outfitting a computer for another operating 
system, not a mac.
However, they are using a macbook with mountain lion on it for our 
communications, including when I send him programs to install on the other 
computer.
because macs are so efficient though each time I send him something the mac 
makes an effort to unzip the contents instead of just leaving the file alone.  
This often results in sub directories we cannot reach and the like, and since 
the files are not for the mac and the machine in question is not a Mac either, 
the kind assistance is not very helpful.
is there something he can do in his mail setup that keeps the file untouched 
when we move it from his inbox to say the usb floppy drive he has attached to 
the macbook?  I suspect the download area as the source for the unpacking 
effort, but this is just a guess.
thoughts & ideas?
Thanks,
Karen

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Chrome Has Become Unusable for Me At Least

2012-09-17 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi guys. I just launched my Chrome browser after a month and for some reason, 
it has become inaccessible with VO. Even Chromevox isn't working and because VO 
isn't working with it, I can't see if it is enabled in extensions. Any help 
would be appreciated.

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Re: flash gone?

2012-09-17 Thread Donovan Osborn
check if your flash player is out of date. I have heard on macs that if you are 
not using the latest version that the mac will disable all flash content until 
you update as a security measure.
On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I have recently found that no flash content will play. Not only do gVoice 
> messages and Amazon song previews not play, but my Mactubes app has stopped 
> working. I don't remember changing anything, but is there somehting I can 
> check to see what might be going on? Safari is maddeningly silent on errors 
> it encounters. Thanks
> 
> 
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Re: seeing to whom an email was addressed?

2012-09-17 Thread Steve Holmes
I decided to take a look around the message headers on my box and I could see 
to whom the message was sent but I could not see the date nor could I find a 
way to expand the full header fields like you can in other mail clients.  Is 
this just not available in Apple Mail or am I missing something some place?

On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> No, those two controls are *all* I see in the headers group, and that plus 
> the text is all I see in the window aside from the standard system buttons 
> and the toolbar.
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When you cycle through the Message Header Group, does VO say Message Header 
>> along with the Read and Read More button?  If so, interact with that Message 
>> Header area and you should get the info you're looking for.  If not, let me 
>> know and I'll do some testing to see if you've got something set to hide 
>> that Header info.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-09-16, at 10:16 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> I also press enter, but all I see in the message headers group is a "read" 
>>> button, whose help tag is "add to VIPs", and a read more link which does 
>>> nothing at all. Aside from the actual message text and the usual buttons, I 
>>> see nothing else.
>>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 How are you reading the message?  When moving through eMails, I press 
 return on the one I wish to read.  Then, VO will read the message to me.  
 I can stop interacting with the message area then interact with the Header 
 info and the second line tells me who the message was sent to.  Does your 
 Header info display differently?
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-09-16, at 5:09 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> Is there a way to see to whom an email was sent when you get it? For 
> instance, if I get a message that someone replied to privately, but the 
> thread started on a mailing list, I would not know it was private unless 
> I saw the "to" field. I have looked in the message content area once I 
> press enter on a mesage, but see nothing at all except the text, let 
> alone the header I want. Any suggestsions would be great. Thanks.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
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> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
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creating new users on mac?

2012-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
Today in the mail we got a 2007 Mac Mini from a friend of mine who graduated to 
a Macbook Air and had no use for his old machine. It runs, but I'll need to 
re-install Lion (that's another post). My question is this: we plan to use this 
as a family machine hooked up to the big screen in the living room, but all 
three of us have our own apple accounts. I'd like to set things up so that we 
each have a user account and can log into our apple ids without conflicting 
with each other. Two questions rise from this:
1. How would I do it? I assume it is accessible, but is there anything I should 
know about?
2. How can I make us all admins? I'm the only one who would do actual tech 
support on the mac, but I don't want to get calls about how someone can't do 
something because of lack of privileges.
Thanks for any suggestions on this. I can't remember the last time we had 
multiple accounts - everyone has their own computers nowadays - and I am the 
only one in the house with mac experience, so this will be a first for everyone 
else.


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Re: seeing to whom an email was addressed?

2012-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
I think I figured it out. I don't know why, but your message sent me into the 
menus. Apparently, cmd-shift-h shows all headers; interacting a couple times 
will get you to a text field with an abundance of information, though you must 
vo-arrow in it even though it is a standard text field. I saw from, to, 
reply-to, dates, mail servers, and so on.
On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:19 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> I decided to take a look around the message headers on my box and I could see 
> to whom the message was sent but I could not see the date nor could I find a 
> way to expand the full header fields like you can in other mail clients.  Is 
> this just not available in Apple Mail or am I missing something some place?
> 
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> No, those two controls are *all* I see in the headers group, and that plus 
>> the text is all I see in the window aside from the standard system buttons 
>> and the toolbar.
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When you cycle through the Message Header Group, does VO say Message Header 
>>> along with the Read and Read More button?  If so, interact with that 
>>> Message Header area and you should get the info you're looking for.  If 
>>> not, let me know and I'll do some testing to see if you've got something 
>>> set to hide that Header info.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-09-16, at 10:16 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 I also press enter, but all I see in the message headers group is a "read" 
 button, whose help tag is "add to VIPs", and a read more link which does 
 nothing at all. Aside from the actual message text and the usual buttons, 
 I see nothing else.
 On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> How are you reading the message?  When moving through eMails, I press 
> return on the one I wish to read.  Then, VO will read the message to me.  
> I can stop interacting with the message area then interact with the 
> Header info and the second line tells me who the message was sent to.  
> Does your Header info display differently?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-09-16, at 5:09 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> Is there a way to see to whom an email was sent when you get it? For 
>> instance, if I get a message that someone replied to privately, but the 
>> thread started on a mailing list, I would not know it was private unless 
>> I saw the "to" field. I have looked in the message content area once I 
>> press enter on a mesage, but see nothing at all except the text, let 
>> alone the header I want. Any suggestsions would be great. Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: seeing to whom an email was addressed?

2012-09-17 Thread Steve Holmes
That's good to know.  Funny how we discover additional shortcut keys out there. 
 I know for a fact that some of the standard apps do not always list their 
shortcut keys in the help documentation.  

On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I think I figured it out. I don't know why, but your message sent me into the 
> menus. Apparently, cmd-shift-h shows all headers; interacting a couple times 
> will get you to a text field with an abundance of information, though you 
> must vo-arrow in it even though it is a standard text field. I saw from, to, 
> reply-to, dates, mail servers, and so on.
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:19 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> I decided to take a look around the message headers on my box and I could 
>> see to whom the message was sent but I could not see the date nor could I 
>> find a way to expand the full header fields like you can in other mail 
>> clients.  Is this just not available in Apple Mail or am I missing something 
>> some place?
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> No, those two controls are *all* I see in the headers group, and that plus 
>>> the text is all I see in the window aside from the standard system buttons 
>>> and the toolbar.
>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 When you cycle through the Message Header Group, does VO say Message 
 Header along with the Read and Read More button?  If so, interact with 
 that Message Header area and you should get the info you're looking for.  
 If not, let me know and I'll do some testing to see if you've got 
 something set to hide that Header info.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-09-16, at 10:16 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> I also press enter, but all I see in the message headers group is a 
> "read" button, whose help tag is "add to VIPs", and a read more link 
> which does nothing at all. Aside from the actual message text and the 
> usual buttons, I see nothing else.
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> How are you reading the message?  When moving through eMails, I press 
>> return on the one I wish to read.  Then, VO will read the message to me. 
>>  I can stop interacting with the message area then interact with the 
>> Header info and the second line tells me who the message was sent to.  
>> Does your Header info display differently?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-09-16, at 5:09 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Is there a way to see to whom an email was sent when you get it? For 
>>> instance, if I get a message that someone replied to privately, but the 
>>> thread started on a mailing list, I would not know it was private 
>>> unless I saw the "to" field. I have looked in the message content area 
>>> once I press enter on a mesage, but see nothing at all except the text, 
>>> let alone the header I want. Any suggestsions would be great. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: flash gone?

2012-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
Okay, I should now have the latest one, but Mactubes and the Youtube site still 
do nothing. I have not yet tried Amazon, but I don't expect anything to be 
different. Is there anything else at all I may have done? Thanks.
On Sep 17, 2012, at 10:56 PM, Donovan Osborn  wrote:

> check if your flash player is out of date. I have heard on macs that if you 
> are not using the latest version that the mac will disable all flash content 
> until you update as a security measure.
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have recently found that no flash content will play. Not only do gVoice 
>> messages and Amazon song previews not play, but my Mactubes app has stopped 
>> working. I don't remember changing anything, but is there somehting I can 
>> check to see what might be going on? Safari is maddeningly silent on errors 
>> it encounters. Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
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>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: seeing to whom an email was addressed?

2012-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
That's why, when I open a new app or want to find a function, my first stop is 
the menu bar. Vo always announces a hotkey if one is present, so I learn them 
that way.
On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> That's good to know.  Funny how we discover additional shortcut keys out 
> there.  I know for a fact that some of the standard apps do not always list 
> their shortcut keys in the help documentation.  
> 
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I think I figured it out. I don't know why, but your message sent me into 
>> the menus. Apparently, cmd-shift-h shows all headers; interacting a couple 
>> times will get you to a text field with an abundance of information, though 
>> you must vo-arrow in it even though it is a standard text field. I saw from, 
>> to, reply-to, dates, mail servers, and so on.
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:19 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> I decided to take a look around the message headers on my box and I could 
>>> see to whom the message was sent but I could not see the date nor could I 
>>> find a way to expand the full header fields like you can in other mail 
>>> clients.  Is this just not available in Apple Mail or am I missing 
>>> something some place?
>>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 No, those two controls are *all* I see in the headers group, and that plus 
 the text is all I see in the window aside from the standard system buttons 
 and the toolbar.
 On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> When you cycle through the Message Header Group, does VO say Message 
> Header along with the Read and Read More button?  If so, interact with 
> that Message Header area and you should get the info you're looking for.  
> If not, let me know and I'll do some testing to see if you've got 
> something set to hide that Header info.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-09-16, at 10:16 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I also press enter, but all I see in the message headers group is a 
>> "read" button, whose help tag is "add to VIPs", and a read more link 
>> which does nothing at all. Aside from the actual message text and the 
>> usual buttons, I see nothing else.
>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> How are you reading the message?  When moving through eMails, I press 
>>> return on the one I wish to read.  Then, VO will read the message to 
>>> me.  I can stop interacting with the message area then interact with 
>>> the Header info and the second line tells me who the message was sent 
>>> to.  Does your Header info display differently?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-09-16, at 5:09 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 Is there a way to see to whom an email was sent when you get it? For 
 instance, if I get a message that someone replied to privately, but 
 the thread started on a mailing list, I would not know it was private 
 unless I saw the "to" field. I have looked in the message content area 
 once I press enter on a mesage, but see nothing at all except the 
 text, let alone the header I want. Any suggestsions would be great. 
 Thanks.
 
 
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Re: flash gone?

2012-09-17 Thread Donovan Osborn
Sorry that's all I know. I am still learning myself.

Sincerely,

Donovan Osborn
donovan303...@gmail.com



On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Okay, I should now have the latest one, but Mactubes and the Youtube site 
> still do nothing. I have not yet tried Amazon, but I don't expect anything to 
> be different. Is there anything else at all I may have done? Thanks.
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 10:56 PM, Donovan Osborn  wrote:
> 
>> check if your flash player is out of date. I have heard on macs that if you 
>> are not using the latest version that the mac will disable all flash content 
>> until you update as a security measure.
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have recently found that no flash content will play. Not only do gVoice 
>>> messages and Amazon song previews not play, but my Mactubes app has stopped 
>>> working. I don't remember changing anything, but is there somehting I can 
>>> check to see what might be going on? Safari is maddeningly silent on errors 
>>> it encounters. Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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