Re: what's the most accessable way to list things on ebay?

[Ray Foret Jr]

I use a Mac myself, and, framkly, was wondering the same thing.  Take a look at 
the seller form the way it is now and you'll quickly see that things are not 
very well labeled.  


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On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:48 PM, trahern culver  wrote:

> hey all i have some things i want to list so what's the most
> accessable way to list things on ebay?
> 
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Mail in Mountain Lion

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hi all,

I downloaded Mountain Lion just a couple of days ago.
It seems to be pretty good, but I'm having some trouble with Mail.
I can't figure out how to read messages.
For most messages, it says something like 'No subject, no sender'.
What does that mean?

Also, I can't find the folders that I made for receiving mails from specific 
email IDs.
For example, I made a folder for receiving mails from the Macvisionaries list 
which I can't find.

Your help would be much appreciated.

Cheers,
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Re: what's the most accessable way to list things on ebay?

[erik burggraaf]

Garage sale was pretty accessible when I used it, but that was quite some time 
ago.

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> accessable way to list things on ebay?
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Re: vo repeating rows in mail?

[Steve Holmes]

It also happens quite a lot at the beginning when you just opened Mail and it 
is updating and fetching from the IMAP server.  Just best to sit and wait a bit 
when you start up Mail.

On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I believe that this has to do with GMail and iMap.  As the GMail servers are 
> removing your deleted messages from your computer, it kind of hiccups causing 
> the repetition.  You'll probably notice that this primarily happens when 
> you're going through messages deleting the conversations that you're not 
> interested in and/or simply deleting threads.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-08, at 10:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> In mail, I often get to hear a row multiple times. Vo will start to read it, 
>> then start over, and sometimes start over a second time. It's something I am 
>> used to, but sometimes it really gets on my nerves, especially when vo is 
>> halfway through reading the preview of the message and then decides to start 
>> at the beginning. I doubt it, but is there a way to stop this from happening?
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: Having Mail not automatically mark a message as read when I move to it

[Alex Hall]

Thanks, this worked perfectly. A side effect is that focus no longer moves in 
the direction I arrow when I delete messages, which is a Mountain Lion feature 
I had come to enjoy very much. Oh well, I guess the mac is keeping me healthy - 
not letting me have my cake and eat it, too. Wow, that was a horrible joke.
On Aug 13, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Hi,
> I can only give you steps in standard (not classic) view.
> 1. go to messages column. NOt the table inside the colun. 
> 2. vo right once to vertical splitter.
> 3. interact 
> 4. vo command f5 to bring mouse on it.
> 5. optional make sure mouse is there with vo f5
> 6. In lion this did not work but now in ml you can perform a mouse double 
> click by pressing vo shift space twice quickly.
> 7. preview column  should be gone. Verify by vo right after the vertical 
> splitter. If there follows a horizontal one you are in business.
> 
> hth,
> 
> Ioana
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> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I would love steps. I'm not sure what happened to the other email that
>> had them, but I can't find it. Thanks.
>> 
>> On 8/13/12, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Just a quick note to say that you can hide the preview pane also by using
>>> keyboard shortcuts. There have been posts to that effect on the list also.
>>> If anybody wants me to write steps just let me know.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> 
>>> Ioana
>>> 
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online
>>> stores.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Harry,
 
 I'll paste in here my instructions I posted in a different thread with the
 steps you can use to get rid of the Preview Pane in Mountain Lion Mail.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages
 table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO
 cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal
 Splitter".
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the
 top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that
 you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will
 work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages
 Column Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO
 cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed
 to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.
 As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so
 that the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal
 Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical
 Splitter.  Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose
 that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about
 "Message Content Area", life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In
 Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the
 "New Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one
 after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've
 located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo
 will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic
 layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the
 Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will
 announce "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-01, at 1:23 AM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
 
> Hi Anne,
> 
> Wow -- I just now switched to classic view to see the differences, and it
> is unnerving.  I think I will keep standard view for now but will try and
> move the preview panel.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Harry,
>> 
>> You need to get rid of the preview panel. That will stop Mail from
>> opening every message you land on. I'm unable to help you with how to do
>> this for two reasons: I haven't yet upgraded to Mountain Lion and I use
>> Classic View in Mail.
>> 
>> However, if you can find the horizontal splitter between t

Re: Solution to Multiple Messages in Mail.app and a question about VIP's

[Steve Holmes]

As far as I'm concerned, setting up the rules / filters on gmail is the only 
way to go because I use IMAP and want the same configuration available on all 
computers and mail clients that I use.  Mail works fine with the separate 
folders and I'm not finding a bunch of duplicate messages or any of that.

I have the checkbox for showing related messages actually unchecked so that 
single messages won't show up with the triangle indicating there are multiple 
message when there really isn't.

On Aug 8, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Garth Humphreys  wrote:

> I love the way the gmail filters work and cannot imagine wanting to remove 
> them in favor of local ones on my Mac. I just don't seem to have the problems 
> some do. One thought, check if you have "show related messages " checked 
> under mail viewing preferences. This will cause already deleted messages to 
> show up in conversations.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 09/08/2012, at 3:01, matthew Dyer  wrote:
> 
> Hi,  This is why I do not use filters in gmail as they just dobn't work likwe 
> rthey shoul.d.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> matthew Dyer
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 7, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Harry Hogue wrote:
> 
>> Hi, guys,
>> 
>> For those of you, like me, who use Gmail to access your mail and the Apple 
>> Mail client to read your mail, if you want philters on your messages, or 
>> even if you don't , you may occasionally find that messages are duplicated 
>> because of Gmail's folder system (which they call labels).  I found an 
>> article just now that explained how to clear up this confusion, and have 
>> successfully applied it.
>> 
>> I don't know if there is an accessible version of gmail.com, but I went into 
>> settings and clicked on the labels tab (it took me some time to play with it 
>> to figure out how to get there) and unchecked everything concerned with 
>> "Show in iMap list."  This way all I have is a single folder in Mail.app 
>> which says, "Gmail," where all my messages are.  With this in mind, I am now 
>> going to go and recreate my Mac Visionaries rule with a mailbox in Mail, and 
>> hopefully this will clarify things.  I have no idea how that will affect 
>> things -- if messages may be missed because they are then not pulled to the 
>> mail client because of being tagged as "important," etc. and therefore may 
>> not appear in my filtered list of messages, but it is definitely worth a 
>> try, and I wanted to pass this tip along to others.  In other words, if it 
>> helps clear up some confusion, all the better.  I was getting very tired of 
>> duplicate messages.  They are probably still on Gmail's server, which I 
>> would prefer they not be -- so maybe I should uncheck or just remove some of 
>> the labels all together.  I'm not sure, and if anyone has thoughts on this, 
>> I'm open to hearing them.
>> 
>> In the meantime, I'm off to create a rule which will hopefully keep me more 
>> organized.
>> 
>> On another note, is anyone familiar with the new VIP feature in Mail and how 
>> that might work with VoiceOver?  As I understand it, it is a way to be 
>> notified of an incoming message form a particular person, and I suppose the 
>> notification arrives via notification center?
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Harry
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wondering about Wine

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay,

Anybody here ever heard of Wine?  It's supposed to be a windows imulater that 
lets you run windows software on a Mac without actually installing windows.  I 
believe that part of it involves Terminal work; but, not sure.  anybody know 
what I'm refering to; and, how accessible it is?


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Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac

[Steve Holmes]

I have at minimum, two events on my calendar; one is in December 2011 and one 
today in August of 2012.  On my iPod, the event list shows these two and I 
think some others left over.  On the Mac in Day view, these do not appear in a 
single list.  I only see events for today.  I believe the events list will be 
only for the given day in view.  I'm using events that are not marked as all 
day events; these all have start and end times if that makes a difference.  I 
see a scroll area which is for all day events but I don't have any of those 
scheduled now.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> That is the thing, the full list is present in the day view.
> 
> I could understand if some of the table and row stuff was actually relevant, 
> but you don't hear iOS reading it all out, and I can't find a way to switch 
> it off.
> On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:52, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> In a day view like this, wouldn't the list only be events for that
>> given day? I was looking for a list of all available appointments
>> regardless of what day it is.  It would just sort them in
>> chronological order like it does on IOS.
>> 
>> You seem to have a lot of criticisms for the calendar ap.  I don't
>> mind most of it.  I think some of the verbosity you are complaining
>> about may be a good thing for those who might wonder.  What I don't
>> like in so many other situations is someone excluding information from
>> the screen reader or the screen reader arbitrarily excluding
>> information because someone thinks it would matter to us.  I'd rather
>> have it all and allow us ad individuals to turn off some of the extra
>> verbage if we want to.  Sometimes that extra verbosity helps me
>> navigate around in an unfamiliar set of controls for example.
>> 
>> On 8/14/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list
 view should be added to the toolbar.
 
 I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it
 should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.
 
 This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the
 toolbar:
 
 There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view
 should be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a
 "List View".  This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also
 think the Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button
 for invitations and for adding a new calendar.
 
 After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical
 splitter  (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO
 announce this.  I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list
 of calendar types into view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be
 moved to the view menu at the top of the window.  There could be an entry
 called Calendars, with a sub menu which you can then place a tick against
 the calendar or calendars you which to be be visible such as all
 calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
 ) After the vertical splitter, VO says "Friday, 10 August 2012, year,
 Calendar area" (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had
 the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all
 this out as "Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected".
 
 Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a
 horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?
 
 I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it
 and explore that.
 
 The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the
 today button, should this not say what the current year is? for example
 2012?  No matter which view I use, the today button is always read out
 which is not relevant when in month or year or week view, this should
 behave more like iOS.  .  The next element is next year button.
 
 Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this
 is a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this
 relevant? and why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it
 not be visible by default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the
 calendar app, there are too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine
 how popular google search would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks
 before you finally got to the search box?
 
 After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on August, and that is the 8
 of 12  and lists the number of columns and rows within that month.  Again,
 is this relevant? do we really need to know how many ro

Re: Mail in Mountain Lion

[Andrew Lamanche]

I'm not sure what setup you used to have before upgrading to mountain lion but 
I will tell you how i've sold my problems which were similar to yours.

Firstly, in Mail preferences, I chose to view my messages in classic view.

Secondly, in order to see all your 
mailboxes, interact with the list of your mailboxes, and try to expand your 
mail mailboxes, you may have to expand your inbox too. Do it with either right 
arrow key, which works for me, or vo+\. I have two accounts: iCloud and gmail 
and mailboxes under each. So I had to expand both. There's another thing here, 
move down the list p;ast your trash and send mailboxes and you will come across 
your main accounts names again. You need to expand them too.

In Mountain Lion you have to use vo+right and left arrow keys to move between 
mailbox list and message list. You can no longer use tab key. This takes a bit 
of getting used to. If you press tab key, it will take you straight into 
mailbox actions button which may be a bit confusing. 

Hope this will help a little.

Andrew

On 15 Aug 2012, at 09:35, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I downloaded Mountain Lion just a couple of days ago.
> It seems to be pretty good, but I'm having some trouble with Mail.
> I can't figure out how to read messages.
> For most messages, it says something like 'No subject, no sender'.
> What does that mean?
> 
> Also, I can't find the folders that I made for receiving mails from specific 
> email IDs.
> For example, I made a folder for receiving mails from the Macvisionaries list 
> which I can't find.
> 
> Your help would be much appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rahul  
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Re: wondering about Wine

[Chris Blouch]

I haven't used it but that is supposed to be the gist of it. It emulates 
the windows APIs (application programming interfaces) so that windows 
apps can run without actually having windows installed. This is the idea 
behind Crossover


http://www.codeweavers.com/products/

which is based on WINE. In theory then you have much less overhead since 
they are just presenting Windows APIs and mapping them to OSX APIs 
instead of emulating the entire OS. I suspect this method of emulation 
would fail for voiceover or jaws since VO won't be able to access 
windows apps (unless they are emulating MSAA, which I doubt) and Jaws 
won't have a full screen to inject their video intercept and get their 
fingers into. Crossover has a full demo if you want to give it a whirl.


CB

On 8/15/12 8:57 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Okay,

Anybody here ever heard of Wine?  It's supposed to be a windows 
imulater that lets you run windows software on a Mac without actually 
installing windows.  I believe that part of it involves Terminal work; 
but, not sure.  anybody know what I'm refering to; and, how accessible 
it is?



Sincerely,
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Viewing reminders with Voiceover in ML

[Andrew Lamanche]

Listers,

I know I have reminders present as I have made a few over the past 
weeks/months. I can't seem to find a way of viewing them in Mountain Lion. In 
Lion, I used to be able to tab to a list of reminders where I could interact 
with the table and arrow up an down all the reminders. Any suggestions?

Many thanks

Andrew

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Customising favourites bar in Mountain Lion

[Andrew Lamanche]

I've been trying to customise my favourites bar in ML. I've succeeded in 
dragging and dropping one of my mailboxes there but when trying to remove 
"send" mailbox and one other mailbox which I had dragged into it previously 
under Lion, I've received the following error message: "Mac & Voiceover  is not 
draggable.  VoiceOver will not drag item that has press action.". Does anyone 
know what it means?

Thanks a lot.

Andrew

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Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?

[Teresa Cochran]

Ok, one of my notorious "just wondering" questions.

I've heard many discussions about whether screen curtain saves battery life in 
laptops and the smaller devices. I'm wondering if screen curtain works by 
modifying information that's already been passed to the display, or whether it 
bypasses the display altogether. If it's used on an Ipod, for example, does it 
still use a lot of resources? Does anyone know how it works, technically 
speaking?

Thanks,
Teresa

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Re: wondering about Wine

[Ray Foret Jr]

Ah, but what about screen readers such as NVDA or System access to go?  I 
figured that there might be some VO issues; but, if one could get NVDA 
running…oops, that would depend on windows API's too would it not?  Same issue 
would crop up I reckon.

Thoughts?

 Okay, maybe I'd just better say why I want to know.  It looks like 
www.audible.com
may be utterly unwilling to consider making their audible manager Mac 
compatible for activation of such third party players as Victor Reader Stream 
or APH book Port plus.  So, since I refuse to install full windows on my Mac, I 
reckon there's got to be another solution.

Thoughts?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> I haven't used it but that is supposed to be the gist of it. It emulates the 
> windows APIs (application programming interfaces) so that windows apps can 
> run without actually having windows installed. This is the idea behind 
> Crossover
> 
> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/
> 
> which is based on WINE. In theory then you have much less overhead since they 
> are just presenting Windows APIs and mapping them to OSX APIs instead of 
> emulating the entire OS. I suspect this method of emulation would fail for 
> voiceover or jaws since VO won't be able to access windows apps (unless they 
> are emulating MSAA, which I doubt) and Jaws won't have a full screen to 
> inject their video intercept and get their fingers into. Crossover has a full 
> demo if you want to give it a whirl.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 8/15/12 8:57 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> Okay,
>> 
>> Anybody here ever heard of Wine?  It's supposed to be a windows imulater 
>> that lets you run windows software on a Mac without actually installing 
>> windows.  I believe that part of it involves Terminal work; but, not sure.  
>> anybody know what I'm refering to; and, how accessible it is?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
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Re: wondering about Wine

[Rose Waagan]

I tried launching NVDA on my Mac using Wine. I heard the tone indicating NVDA 
heh started but nothing else after that. I had a large follower base on twitter 
before sacking an old account. I asked if anyone had used Wine successfully. 
The general consensus seemed to be that it wasn't usable. Some suggested I run 
VMWare Fusion instead. I have my own views on this as an alternative, but 
that's another thread entirely. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> I haven't used it but that is supposed to be the gist of it. It emulates the 
> windows APIs (application programming interfaces) so that windows apps can 
> run without actually having windows installed. This is the idea behind 
> Crossover
> 
> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/
> 
> which is based on WINE. In theory then you have much less overhead since they 
> are just presenting Windows APIs and mapping them to OSX APIs instead of 
> emulating the entire OS. I suspect this method of emulation would fail for 
> voiceover or jaws since VO won't be able to access windows apps (unless they 
> are emulating MSAA, which I doubt) and Jaws won't have a full screen to 
> inject their video intercept and get their fingers into. Crossover has a full 
> demo if you want to give it a whirl.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 8/15/12 8:57 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> Okay,
>> 
>> Anybody here ever heard of Wine?  It's supposed to be a windows imulater 
>> that lets you run windows software on a Mac without actually installing 
>> windows.  I believe that part of it involves Terminal work; but, not sure.  
>> anybody know what I'm refering to; and, how accessible it is?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
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Re: Viewing reminders with Voiceover in ML

[Teresa Cochran]

Hello, Andrew,

When you go into reminders, you will have to interact with the reminders card 
to go to the lists of reminders. You may have several lists in addition to the 
reminder card. Use VO-right and -left to navigate the window. You can also hide 
the reminder lists, (i.e. Google to-do, Yahoo, etc.)

HtH,
Teresa

On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

> Listers,
> 
> I know I have reminders present as I have made a few over the past 
> weeks/months. I can't seem to find a way of viewing them in Mountain Lion. In 
> Lion, I used to be able to tab to a list of reminders where I could interact 
> with the table and arrow up an down all the reminders. Any suggestions?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Cannot copy track from shared library to my own computer

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

First, the Copy that you're finding in the Contextual menu is just a Copy/Paste 
sort of thing so it will not do what you're hoping.  Check on both machines 
that you have Home Sharing turned on.  Home Sharing is under the Advanced menu. 
 Home Sharing is different than the Sharing you see in your iTunes Preferences. 
 Once Home Sharing is on for both machines, when you select the other machine, 
there will be both a Settings button and a Copy Items button as well as a 
pop-up that can restrict what is shown.  I would actually make sure that the 
Sharing Library thing in your iTunes Prefs is unchecked as it is unnecessary 
when using Home Sharing.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-14, at 12:09 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> HI Tim,
> Thanks for your answer.
> 
> Unfortunately I still cannot locate that famous copy button. I see the music 
> in question but after the list table with music I want to new playlist. I 
> activated the shortcut menu of the track I want to get and found a copy 
> option. I pressed it but even after 1 minute it still is not in my library. I 
> checked the apple id. IS there a setting on the remote computer that I need 
> to check that it allows copying items to an other one?Thanks for your elp in 
> solving this mystery.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ioana transfer it goes 
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If you have Home Sharing turned on for both machines, with the same Apple 
>> ID, you'll see the other computer in your Sources List under the Devices 
>> section.  If there is no Devices section, then your Home Sharing is either 
>> not set up accordingly or there is a network issue.  Once you have focus on 
>> the other computer, expand it with VO-back slash, then wait a few seconds 
>> for it to populate, and navigate down to the Music Library or Playlist you 
>> wish to grab songs from.  You can then either search with the Search field 
>> or navigate through the Table to locate the items you wish to transfer.  
>> Once selected, Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate right to the 
>> Copy Item button and things will move over.  They will not be placed in any 
>> specific playlist, they will simply be copied over to your Music Library and 
>> placed in the Music section within your Sources List.  You can subsequently 
>> add them to any playlists you wish.  Now, if you had iTunes Match, it can be 
>> configured so that whatever is put in a playlist in one computer is 
>> automatically put in the same playlist in the second computer.  It is a very 
>> cool set up, although one has to be willing to spend the yearly subscription 
>> fee to have the iTunes Match service.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-13, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I remember people saying that there should be a share button to import a 
>>> track from one computer to an other that shares the library
>>> I made sure that we are signed in with the same apple id and found the 
>>> track but could not find a share button. I found the copy item in the 
>>> shortcut menu and tried pressing vo space on it or pressing enterI pressed 
>>> comand v on my local usic sours but it did not get copied
>>> Any help is very appriciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ioana
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Customising favourites bar in Mountain Lion

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It means that VO's Drag and Drop will not work on that kind of item.  To remove 
things, I've just routed my mouse to the location by pressing VO-cmd-f5 then 
using the Trackpad to press down and drag my finger to the bottom of the 
Trackpad then letting go.  This effectively removes the item from the 
Favourites bar.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-15, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

> I've been trying to customise my favourites bar in ML. I've succeeded in 
> dragging and dropping one of my mailboxes there but when trying to remove 
> "send" mailbox and one other mailbox which I had dragged into it previously 
> under Lion, I've received the following error message: "Mac & Voiceover  is 
> not draggable.  VoiceOver will not drag item that has press action.". Does 
> anyone know what it means?
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: wondering about Wine

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, since I aint installing windows on this Mac, I guess I'm out of luck aint 
I?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
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On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Rose Waagan  wrote:

> I tried launching NVDA on my Mac using Wine. I heard the tone indicating NVDA 
> heh started but nothing else after that. I had a large follower base on 
> twitter before sacking an old account. I asked if anyone had used Wine 
> successfully. The general consensus seemed to be that it wasn't usable. Some 
> suggested I run VMWare Fusion instead. I have my own views on this as an 
> alternative, but that's another thread entirely. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
>> I haven't used it but that is supposed to be the gist of it. It emulates the 
>> windows APIs (application programming interfaces) so that windows apps can 
>> run without actually having windows installed. This is the idea behind 
>> Crossover
>> 
>> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/
>> 
>> which is based on WINE. In theory then you have much less overhead since 
>> they are just presenting Windows APIs and mapping them to OSX APIs instead 
>> of emulating the entire OS. I suspect this method of emulation would fail 
>> for voiceover or jaws since VO won't be able to access windows apps (unless 
>> they are emulating MSAA, which I doubt) and Jaws won't have a full screen to 
>> inject their video intercept and get their fingers into. Crossover has a 
>> full demo if you want to give it a whirl.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 8/15/12 8:57 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> Okay,
>>> 
>>> Anybody here ever heard of Wine?  It's supposed to be a windows imulater 
>>> that lets you run windows software on a Mac without actually installing 
>>> windows.  I believe that part of it involves Terminal work; but, not sure.  
>>> anybody know what I'm refering to; and, how accessible it is?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
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Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?

[Chris Blouch]

Not sure on devices but for laptops it just sets the pixels to black, so 
the backlight is still running. If you want to save battery you need to 
use F1 and turn the screen all the way down. All the way down turns the 
backlight off. Likewise using F5 to turn the keyboard backlight all the 
way down will also shut those lights off.


CB

On 8/15/12 11:18 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

Ok, one of my notorious "just wondering" questions.

I've heard many discussions about whether screen curtain saves battery life in 
laptops and the smaller devices. I'm wondering if screen curtain works by 
modifying information that's already been passed to the display, or whether it 
bypasses the display altogether. If it's used on an Ipod, for example, does it 
still use a lot of resources? Does anyone know how it works, technically 
speaking?

Thanks,
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Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac

[Chris Moore]

I have chosen to hide my all day events.  in day view the last  item is the 
event list, it will show your current event, but if you use the arrow keys up 
and down without using the the VO keys you can then move between the items of 
the list.

I noticed in advanced preferences that there is the option to view events in 
year mode, but after ticking this VO still does not read out events in year 
view.

Chris 
On 15 Aug 2012, at 14:05, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> I have at minimum, two events on my calendar; one is in December 2011 and one 
> today in August of 2012.  On my iPod, the event list shows these two and I 
> think some others left over.  On the Mac in Day view, these do not appear in 
> a single list.  I only see events for today.  I believe the events list will 
> be only for the given day in view.  I'm using events that are not marked as 
> all day events; these all have start and end times if that makes a 
> difference.  I see a scroll area which is for all day events but I don't have 
> any of those scheduled now.
> 
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
>> That is the thing, the full list is present in the day view.
>> 
>> I could understand if some of the table and row stuff was actually relevant, 
>> but you don't hear iOS reading it all out, and I can't find a way to switch 
>> it off.
>> On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:52, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> In a day view like this, wouldn't the list only be events for that
>>> given day? I was looking for a list of all available appointments
>>> regardless of what day it is.  It would just sort them in
>>> chronological order like it does on IOS.
>>> 
>>> You seem to have a lot of criticisms for the calendar ap.  I don't
>>> mind most of it.  I think some of the verbosity you are complaining
>>> about may be a good thing for those who might wonder.  What I don't
>>> like in so many other situations is someone excluding information from
>>> the screen reader or the screen reader arbitrarily excluding
>>> information because someone thinks it would matter to us.  I'd rather
>>> have it all and allow us ad individuals to turn off some of the extra
>>> verbage if we want to.  Sometimes that extra verbosity helps me
>>> navigate around in an unfamiliar set of controls for example.
>>> 
>>> On 8/14/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
 My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments.
 
 Teresa
 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore 
 wrote:
 
> You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list
> view should be added to the toolbar.
> 
> I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it
> should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.
> 
> This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the
> toolbar:
> 
> There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view
> should be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a
> "List View".  This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also
> think the Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button
> for invitations and for adding a new calendar.
> 
> After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical
> splitter  (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO
> announce this.  I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list
> of calendar types into view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be
> moved to the view menu at the top of the window.  There could be an entry
> called Calendars, with a sub menu which you can then place a tick against
> the calendar or calendars you which to be be visible such as all
> calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
> ) After the vertical splitter, VO says "Friday, 10 August 2012, year,
> Calendar area" (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had
> the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all
> this out as "Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected".
> 
> Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a
> horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?
> 
> I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it
> and explore that.
> 
> The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the
> today button, should this not say what the current year is? for example
> 2012?  No matter which view I use, the today button is always read out
> which is not relevant when in month or year or week view, this should
> behave more like iOS.  .  The next element is next year button.
> 
> Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this
> is a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this
> relevant? and why do

Re: Customising favourites bar in Mountain Lion

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear tim,

It's amazing: it works! Just removed two items.
Thank you.

Andrew
On 15 Aug 2012, at 16:37, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> It means that VO's Drag and Drop will not work on that kind of item.  To 
> remove things, I've just routed my mouse to the location by pressing 
> VO-cmd-f5 then using the Trackpad to press down and drag my finger to the 
> bottom of the Trackpad then letting go.  This effectively removes the item 
> from the Favourites bar.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-15, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
>> I've been trying to customise my favourites bar in ML. I've succeeded in 
>> dragging and dropping one of my mailboxes there but when trying to remove 
>> "send" mailbox and one other mailbox which I had dragged into it previously 
>> under Lion, I've received the following error message: "Mac & Voiceover  is 
>> not draggable.  VoiceOver will not drag item that has press action.". Does 
>> anyone know what it means?
>> 
>> Thanks a lot.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Damashe Thomas]

Hello List,

My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. I 
live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for the 
past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
I have two quick questions to get started.
Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can speak 
about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should I just 
go with VMWare fusion?
I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use it, 
but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
openbook in a virtual windows environment?

Thanks
Damashe

Skype:
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Re: wondering about Wine

[Hank Smith]

its a linux app that is used in linux and jaws or nvda won't work with it.
didn't know they did a mac port of it.
On 8/15/2012 5:57 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Okay,

Anybody here ever heard of Wine?  It's supposed to be a windows 
imulater that lets you run windows software on a Mac without actually 
installing windows.  I believe that part of it involves Terminal work; 
but, not sure.  anybody know what I'm refering to; and, how accessible 
it is?



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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there!
I cannot answer about using windows stuff [never have used it] but I do know 
that parallels is not accessible so do not let anyone sell  you it!
Hth Colin

On 15 Aug 2012, at 17:39, Damashe Thomas wrote:

> Hello List,
>  
> My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. I 
> live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for the 
> past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
> I have two quick questions to get started.
> Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
> speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should 
> I just go with VMWare fusion?
> I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use it, 
> but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
> openbook in a virtual windows environment?
>  
> Thanks
> Damashe
>  
> Skype:
> damashe.thomas
>  
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Re: Customising favourites bar in Mountain Lion

[Ioana Gandrabur]

HOw do you use the trackpad to do this? 
DO you have to turn trackpad commander off? I have tha majic trackpad no 
buttons.

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On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

> Dear tim,
> 
> It's amazing: it works! Just removed two items.
> Thank you.
> 
> Andrew
> On 15 Aug 2012, at 16:37, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> It means that VO's Drag and Drop will not work on that kind of item.  To 
>> remove things, I've just routed my mouse to the location by pressing 
>> VO-cmd-f5 then using the Trackpad to press down and drag my finger to the 
>> bottom of the Trackpad then letting go.  This effectively removes the item 
>> from the Favourites bar.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-15, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've been trying to customise my favourites bar in ML. I've succeeded in 
>>> dragging and dropping one of my mailboxes there but when trying to remove 
>>> "send" mailbox and one other mailbox which I had dragged into it previously 
>>> under Lion, I've received the following error message: "Mac & Voiceover  is 
>>> not draggable.  VoiceOver will not drag item that has press action.". Does 
>>> anyone know what it means?
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>> 
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Damashe Thomas]

Hi,
Thanks, I had a choice of a free copy of parallels or fileMaker Pro. I had 
heard a few years ago that parallels wasn't accessible, but didn't know about 
any recent updates.
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  Hi there!
  I cannot answer about using windows stuff [never have used it] but I do know 
that parallels is not accessible so do not let anyone sell  you it!
  Hth Colin


  On 15 Aug 2012, at 17:39, Damashe Thomas wrote:


Hello List,

My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. 
I live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for the 
past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
I have two quick questions to get started.
Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should I 
just go with VMWare fusion?
I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use 
it, but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
openbook in a virtual windows environment?

Thanks
Damashe

Skype:
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Re: wondering about Wine

[Alex Hall]

I tried crossover and Winonx, a $5 app that does the same thing. It failed to 
run nvda as well as the audio game (which was my primary purpose for trying 
it). I have given up and will be investigating virtualbox soon instead of 
bootcamp as I rely increasingly on the mac for day-to-day activities. I am 
probably going to make the big jump and copy everything over to my mac 
partition, then resize it, soon enough. Anyway, virtualization seems to be the 
best way to go; I emailed a crossover tech who said that some of the functions 
my game needed were not implemented into the version of Wine they were using, 
hence the errors. Instead of messing with all that, I'd rather just use a vm I 
know will work.
On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Well, since I aint installing windows on this Mac, I guess I'm out of luck 
> aint I?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Rose Waagan  wrote:
> 
>> I tried launching NVDA on my Mac using Wine. I heard the tone indicating 
>> NVDA heh started but nothing else after that. I had a large follower base on 
>> twitter before sacking an old account. I asked if anyone had used Wine 
>> successfully. The general consensus seemed to be that it wasn't usable. Some 
>> suggested I run VMWare Fusion instead. I have my own views on this as an 
>> alternative, but that's another thread entirely. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> I haven't used it but that is supposed to be the gist of it. It emulates 
>>> the windows APIs (application programming interfaces) so that windows apps 
>>> can run without actually having windows installed. This is the idea behind 
>>> Crossover
>>> 
>>> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/
>>> 
>>> which is based on WINE. In theory then you have much less overhead since 
>>> they are just presenting Windows APIs and mapping them to OSX APIs instead 
>>> of emulating the entire OS. I suspect this method of emulation would fail 
>>> for voiceover or jaws since VO won't be able to access windows apps (unless 
>>> they are emulating MSAA, which I doubt) and Jaws won't have a full screen 
>>> to inject their video intercept and get their fingers into. Crossover has a 
>>> full demo if you want to give it a whirl.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 8/15/12 8:57 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Okay,
 
 Anybody here ever heard of Wine?  It's supposed to be a windows imulater 
 that lets you run windows software on a Mac without actually installing 
 windows.  I believe that part of it involves Terminal work; but, not sure. 
  anybody know what I'm refering to; and, how accessible it is?
 
 
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 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
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Re: Cannot copy track from shared library to my own computer

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Thanks,

I just set up home sharing DId not know there were 2 types of sharing.

THiss brings up an other question:
When one computer connected to to other  one it started transfering all my 
music into it. SO far as I can tell mine did not do the same. HOw can I control 
what is being automattically copied?

Thanks,

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On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> First, the Copy that you're finding in the Contextual menu is just a 
> Copy/Paste sort of thing so it will not do what you're hoping.  Check on both 
> machines that you have Home Sharing turned on.  Home Sharing is under the 
> Advanced menu.  Home Sharing is different than the Sharing you see in your 
> iTunes Preferences.  Once Home Sharing is on for both machines, when you 
> select the other machine, there will be both a Settings button and a Copy 
> Items button as well as a pop-up that can restrict what is shown.  I would 
> actually make sure that the Sharing Library thing in your iTunes Prefs is 
> unchecked as it is unnecessary when using Home Sharing.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-14, at 12:09 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> HI Tim,
>> Thanks for your answer.
>> 
>> Unfortunately I still cannot locate that famous copy button. I see the music 
>> in question but after the list table with music I want to new playlist. I 
>> activated the shortcut menu of the track I want to get and found a copy 
>> option. I pressed it but even after 1 minute it still is not in my library. 
>> I checked the apple id. IS there a setting on the remote computer that I 
>> need to check that it allows copying items to an other one?Thanks for your 
>> elp in solving this mystery.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Ioana transfer it goes 
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>> stores.
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you have Home Sharing turned on for both machines, with the same Apple 
>>> ID, you'll see the other computer in your Sources List under the Devices 
>>> section.  If there is no Devices section, then your Home Sharing is either 
>>> not set up accordingly or there is a network issue.  Once you have focus on 
>>> the other computer, expand it with VO-back slash, then wait a few seconds 
>>> for it to populate, and navigate down to the Music Library or Playlist you 
>>> wish to grab songs from.  You can then either search with the Search field 
>>> or navigate through the Table to locate the items you wish to transfer.  
>>> Once selected, Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate right to the 
>>> Copy Item button and things will move over.  They will not be placed in any 
>>> specific playlist, they will simply be copied over to your Music Library 
>>> and placed in the Music section within your Sources List.  You can 
>>> subsequently add them to any playlists you wish.  Now, if you had iTunes 
>>> Match, it can be configured so that whatever is put in a playlist in one 
>>> computer is automatically put in the same playlist in the second computer.  
>>> It is a very cool set up, although one has to be willing to spend the 
>>> yearly subscription fee to have the iTunes Match service.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-13, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I remember people saying that there should be a share button to import a 
 track from one computer to an other that shares the library
 I made sure that we are signed in with the same apple id and found the 
 track but could not find a share button. I found the copy item in the 
 shortcut menu and tried pressing vo space on it or pressing enterI pressed 
 comand v on my local usic sours but it did not get copied
 Any help is very appriciated.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Harry Hogue]

hello,

I run Kurzweil 1000 version 11.03 (I haven't updated that particular software 
in a while) under Windows 7 in a VMWare Fusion virtual machine and have no 
problems.  I need to update to version four of VMWare Fusion for it all to run 
under Mountain Lion, but from what I hear others have also had no issues with 
it.

Hope this helps,

Harry

On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:00 AM, Damashe Thomas  wrote:

> Hi,
> Thanks, I had a choice of a free copy of parallels or fileMaker Pro. I had 
> heard a few years ago that parallels wasn't accessible, but didn't know about 
> any recent updates.
> - Original Message -
> From: Red.Falcon
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
> 
> Hi there!
> I cannot answer about using windows stuff [never have used it] but I do know 
> that parallels is not accessible so do not let anyone sell  you it!
> Hth Colin
> 
> On 15 Aug 2012, at 17:39, Damashe Thomas wrote:
> 
>> Hello List,
>>  
>> My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. I 
>> live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for 
>> the past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
>> I have two quick questions to get started.
>> Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
>> speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should 
>> I just go with VMWare fusion?
>> I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use 
>> it, but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
>> openbook in a virtual windows environment?
>>  
>> Thanks
>> Damashe
>>  
>> Skype:
>> damashe.thomas
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materials for the mac

[Kimsan]

Hi,

I have a macbook pro.  I am writing to ask if anyone has any helpful
materials that I can sort through to make sense of this beast.

I  planned on selling it but since I had no buyers I might as well learn the
darn thing haha.

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Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?

[Mike Arrigo]

I think it does save battery power. On IOS devices, the light on the 
display is turned off, or at least on a very low setting. On the mac, I 
don't use the screen curtain, instead I turn the brightness down to 0

Original message:

Ok, one of my notorious "just wondering" questions.


I've heard many discussions about whether screen curtain saves battery 
life in laptops and the smaller devices. I'm wondering if screen 
curtain works by modifying information that's already been passed to 
the display, or whether it bypasses the display altogether. If it's 
used on an Ipod, for example, does it still use a lot of resources? 
Does anyone know how it works, technically speaking?



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Re: materials for the mac

[Maxwell Ivey]

hello; i'm sorry to hear you are struggling with it.  which mac is it lion 
mountain lion leopard snow leopard?  i'm sure someone on here will forward you 
a tutorial.  the thing you should know is that it seams windows is moving to 
make their computers more like the mac.  just curious as to how you came to own 
it. take care, max 
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> I have a macbook pro.  I am writing to ask if anyone has any helpful 
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> I  planned on selling it but since I had no buyers I might as well learn the 
> darn thing haha.
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Re: Growl in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Missy and Shawn,

Thanks for the responses. I guess first off I just have to play around
with Growl a little more to get used to it. I just installed Trillion
but haven't used it as I found it to be a little inaccessible. Just
installed Meny Tab for Facebook, again need to play around with it. I
did see in the Growl Settings that it listed Night Owl, Yurufiru
pardon the spelling on that. Not sure what you can set Growl to do,
maybe I am just guilty of checking my updates so frequently that
alerts wouldn't really do much for me.

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> Hi Brian. I use Growl for Trillion, Skype since it's the only way for you to 
> hear if someone wrote you a message, Menuweather, and Itunes via GrowlTunes 
> to hear what song is being played.
>
> Shawn
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question about speakable items

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys
I have had a little time to mess around with speakable items, and I have run 
into a little weird thing. I thought I would change my key from the escape key 
to something else. However, when I want to do this I can't getting into 
dashboard or something because I can't getting references to widgets. On the 
MacBook Pro, should you use the function key together with any of the F5 
through F12 keys? 
Regards
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Re: Customising favourites bar in Mountain Lion

[Tim Kilburn]

You shouldn't need to tur the commander off although I usually have it off as I 
accidentally make it do things with my wrists.  For the Magic Trackpad, simply 
push on the Trackpad itself and you'll notice a click.  Make sure it is pressed 
down when dragging.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-15, at 10:54 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> HOw do you use the trackpad to do this? 
> DO you have to turn trackpad commander off? I have tha majic trackpad no 
> buttons.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ioana
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
> wrote:
> 
>> Dear tim,
>> 
>> It's amazing: it works! Just removed two items.
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> On 15 Aug 2012, at 16:37, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It means that VO's Drag and Drop will not work on that kind of item.  To 
>>> remove things, I've just routed my mouse to the location by pressing 
>>> VO-cmd-f5 then using the Trackpad to press down and drag my finger to the 
>>> bottom of the Trackpad then letting go.  This effectively removes the item 
>>> from the Favourites bar.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-15, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Lamanche  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I've been trying to customise my favourites bar in ML. I've succeeded in 
 dragging and dropping one of my mailboxes there but when trying to remove 
 "send" mailbox and one other mailbox which I had dragged into it 
 previously under Lion, I've received the following error message: "Mac & 
 Voiceover  is not draggable.  VoiceOver will not drag item that has press 
 action.". Does anyone know what it means?
 
 Thanks a lot.
 
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Re: Cannot copy track from shared library to my own computer

[Tim Kilburn]

Check in the Settings buttons and you'll learn what's going to copy where.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-15, at 12:27 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Thanks,
> 
> I just set up home sharing DId not know there were 2 types of sharing.
> 
> THiss brings up an other question:
> When one computer connected to to other  one it started transfering all my 
> music into it. SO far as I can tell mine did not do the same. HOw can I 
> control what is being automattically copied?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> First, the Copy that you're finding in the Contextual menu is just a 
>> Copy/Paste sort of thing so it will not do what you're hoping.  Check on 
>> both machines that you have Home Sharing turned on.  Home Sharing is under 
>> the Advanced menu.  Home Sharing is different than the Sharing you see in 
>> your iTunes Preferences.  Once Home Sharing is on for both machines, when 
>> you select the other machine, there will be both a Settings button and a 
>> Copy Items button as well as a pop-up that can restrict what is shown.  I 
>> would actually make sure that the Sharing Library thing in your iTunes Prefs 
>> is unchecked as it is unnecessary when using Home Sharing.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-14, at 12:09 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>>> HI Tim,
>>> Thanks for your answer.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately I still cannot locate that famous copy button. I see the 
>>> music in question but after the list table with music I want to new 
>>> playlist. I activated the shortcut menu of the track I want to get and 
>>> found a copy option. I pressed it but even after 1 minute it still is not 
>>> in my library. I checked the apple id. IS there a setting on the remote 
>>> computer that I need to check that it allows copying items to an other 
>>> one?Thanks for your elp in solving this mystery.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Ioana transfer it goes 
>>> 
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>>> stores.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 If you have Home Sharing turned on for both machines, with the same Apple 
 ID, you'll see the other computer in your Sources List under the Devices 
 section.  If there is no Devices section, then your Home Sharing is either 
 not set up accordingly or there is a network issue.  Once you have focus 
 on the other computer, expand it with VO-back slash, then wait a few 
 seconds for it to populate, and navigate down to the Music Library or 
 Playlist you wish to grab songs from.  You can then either search with the 
 Search field or navigate through the Table to locate the items you wish to 
 transfer.  Once selected, Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate 
 right to the Copy Item button and things will move over.  They will not be 
 placed in any specific playlist, they will simply be copied over to your 
 Music Library and placed in the Music section within your Sources List.  
 You can subsequently add them to any playlists you wish.  Now, if you had 
 iTunes Match, it can be configured so that whatever is put in a playlist 
 in one computer is automatically put in the same playlist in the second 
 computer.  It is a very cool set up, although one has to be willing to 
 spend the yearly subscription fee to have the iTunes Match service.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-13, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I remember people saying that there should be a share button to import a 
> track from one computer to an other that shares the library
> I made sure that we are signed in with the same apple id and found the 
> track but could not find a share button. I found the copy item in the 
> shortcut menu and tried pressing vo space on it or pressing enterI 
> pressed comand v on my local usic sours but it did not get copied
> Any help is very appriciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ioana
> 
> 
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Christine Grassman]

I have a feeling that is what is wrong.  I just used Spotlight to bring up Java 
preferences and agreed to install the new certificate. Hopefully, once it does 
its thing, I will not have any issues doing whatever else is required, and can 
try the banking site again. If anyone has run into this, or knows someone who 
has, let me know. Thanks so much, everyone.
Christine
On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:56 AM, Esther  wrote:

> 
> Hi Christine,
> 
> I read your original post again, and noted the mention of Java, which
> is used by some banking sites.  Java is not installed by default under
> Mountain Lion, and depending on whether you upgraded or performed a
> clean install of ML you may have a version of Java that is not
> compatible or needs to have a certificate deleted.  I'm not clear on
> the details, because there are accessibility issues with running the
> Java preferences application, so I can't easily check by looking at my
> own setup. (We had to delete an old certificate for a Blackboard user
> on another list, and use mouse keys to move to change the tabs).
> 
> One Apple discussion web site reported this recent exchange:
> Installed  mountain lion but the web application I use for internet
> banking requires java and there does not seem to be an update for java
> in OSX ML
> Reply:
> Type "java" into spotlight. Make sure the check boxes are selected in
> the java preferences.
> 
> The original poster stated this worked like a charm, but I have no
> idea which check boxes are referred to given the accessibility issues
> and the fact that I'm still running Lion.  The Spotlight instruction
> is the way to launch java preferences.
> 
> HTH as a starting point. Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Aug 14, 4:22 pm, Christine Grassman 
> wrote:
>> I did go into reset Safari, kept checked anything and everything I thought 
>> might help -- I did not see reference to emptying caches, cookies, or 
>> anything resembling that. I reset top web sites; reset history; unchecked 
>> saved names and passwords; I think I left only two or three things 
>> unchecked. Still, when I go into my bank's web site, it dumps me as soon as 
>> I get to the log-in page, or right after logging in. It is literally the 
>> only web site where I have experienced this; I cannot replicate it anywhere 
>> else where I must log in. Clearly is something about my computer, though, 
>> not the bank, not Safari, not VoiceOver.
>> Christine
>> P.S. My husband has not upgraded to ML, so that is the one and only 
>> difference I can think of.
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Re: Viewing reminders with Voiceover in ML

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Theresa,

Thanks for your tips. I think I am slowly getting there. Once I interact with 
the reminder card, I made a mistake of interacting with the list table. I just 
needed to use up and down arrow keys to review my reminders. Once I've found 
the reminder I wanted to review/have a look at, I pressed enter, and I got a 
popup window with the info of the reminder which I was able to modify. 

One comment I need to make is that when I pressed info button, the reminder app 
has crashed.

Thanks again

Andrew
On 15 Aug 2012, at 16:24, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hello, Andrew,
> 
> When you go into reminders, you will have to interact with the reminders card 
> to go to the lists of reminders. You may have several lists in addition to 
> the reminder card. Use VO-right and -left to navigate the window. You can 
> also hide the reminder lists, (i.e. Google to-do, Yahoo, etc.)
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Andrew Lamanche  
> wrote:
> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> I know I have reminders present as I have made a few over the past 
>> weeks/months. I can't seem to find a way of viewing them in Mountain Lion. 
>> In Lion, I used to be able to tab to a list of reminders where I could 
>> interact with the table and arrow up an down all the reminders. Any 
>> suggestions?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Christine Grassman]

Went into Java preferences, and there appear to be some edit boxes which I have 
no clue how to handle.  I've tried checking and unchecking enabling plug-ins, 
etc., but have the same result on the banking site. I have no idea what else to 
do except call Apple. I suspect I'll have to bring it in so they can look over 
my shoulder.
Christine
On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:56 AM, Esther  wrote:

> 
> Hi Christine,
> 
> I read your original post again, and noted the mention of Java, which
> is used by some banking sites.  Java is not installed by default under
> Mountain Lion, and depending on whether you upgraded or performed a
> clean install of ML you may have a version of Java that is not
> compatible or needs to have a certificate deleted.  I'm not clear on
> the details, because there are accessibility issues with running the
> Java preferences application, so I can't easily check by looking at my
> own setup. (We had to delete an old certificate for a Blackboard user
> on another list, and use mouse keys to move to change the tabs).
> 
> One Apple discussion web site reported this recent exchange:
> Installed  mountain lion but the web application I use for internet
> banking requires java and there does not seem to be an update for java
> in OSX ML
> Reply:
> Type "java" into spotlight. Make sure the check boxes are selected in
> the java preferences.
> 
> The original poster stated this worked like a charm, but I have no
> idea which check boxes are referred to given the accessibility issues
> and the fact that I'm still running Lion.  The Spotlight instruction
> is the way to launch java preferences.
> 
> HTH as a starting point. Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Aug 14, 4:22 pm, Christine Grassman 
> wrote:
>> I did go into reset Safari, kept checked anything and everything I thought 
>> might help -- I did not see reference to emptying caches, cookies, or 
>> anything resembling that. I reset top web sites; reset history; unchecked 
>> saved names and passwords; I think I left only two or three things 
>> unchecked. Still, when I go into my bank's web site, it dumps me as soon as 
>> I get to the log-in page, or right after logging in. It is literally the 
>> only web site where I have experienced this; I cannot replicate it anywhere 
>> else where I must log in. Clearly is something about my computer, though, 
>> not the bank, not Safari, not VoiceOver.
>> Christine
>> P.S. My husband has not upgraded to ML, so that is the one and only 
>> difference I can think of.
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I run Open Book the latest version under VMWare 4 whatever the latest one is 
using Mountain Lion.  I use a Pearl and have no problems with it at all.

Kawal.
On 15 Aug 2012, at 19:41, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> hello,
> 
> I run Kurzweil 1000 version 11.03 (I haven't updated that particular software 
> in a while) under Windows 7 in a VMWare Fusion virtual machine and have no 
> problems.  I need to update to version four of VMWare Fusion for it all to 
> run under Mountain Lion, but from what I hear others have also had no issues 
> with it.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:00 AM, Damashe Thomas  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Thanks, I had a choice of a free copy of parallels or fileMaker Pro. I had 
>> heard a few years ago that parallels wasn't accessible, but didn't know 
>> about any recent updates.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Red.Falcon
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
>> 
>> Hi there!
>> I cannot answer about using windows stuff [never have used it] but I do know 
>> that parallels is not accessible so do not let anyone sell  you it!
>> Hth Colin
>> 
>> On 15 Aug 2012, at 17:39, Damashe Thomas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List,
>>>  
>>> My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. 
>>> I live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for 
>>> the past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
>>> I have two quick questions to get started.
>>> Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
>>> speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or 
>>> should I just go with VMWare fusion?
>>> I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use 
>>> it, but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
>>> openbook in a virtual windows environment?
>>>  
>>> Thanks
>>> Damashe
>>>  
>>> Skype:
>>> damashe.thomas
>>>  
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Re: Customising favourites bar in Mountain Lion

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi again,

Sorry but I get no click  pressing down on the trackpad with commander turned 
on or off. DOes the click always happen or only on certain items?

Do you click anywhere on the trackpad? A  bit stumped.

THanks for all your help!

Ioana

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On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> You shouldn't need to tur the commander off although I usually have it off as 
> I accidentally make it do things with my wrists.  For the Magic Trackpad, 
> simply push on the Trackpad itself and you'll notice a click.  Make sure it 
> is pressed down when dragging.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-15, at 10:54 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> HOw do you use the trackpad to do this? 
>> DO you have to turn trackpad commander off? I have tha majic trackpad no 
>> buttons.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Ioana
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>> stores.
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear tim,
>>> 
>>> It's amazing: it works! Just removed two items.
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> On 15 Aug 2012, at 16:37, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 It means that VO's Drag and Drop will not work on that kind of item.  To 
 remove things, I've just routed my mouse to the location by pressing 
 VO-cmd-f5 then using the Trackpad to press down and drag my finger to the 
 bottom of the Trackpad then letting go.  This effectively removes the item 
 from the Favourites bar.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-15, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Lamanche  
 wrote:
 
> I've been trying to customise my favourites bar in ML. I've succeeded in 
> dragging and dropping one of my mailboxes there but when trying to remove 
> "send" mailbox and one other mailbox which I had dragged into it 
> previously under Lion, I've received the following error message: "Mac & 
> Voiceover  is not draggable.  VoiceOver will not drag item that has press 
> action.". Does anyone know what it means?
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Emilio]

Hello Damashe,

First, if you are wanting to exicute the installation and full
operation of Windows on the Mac, I would highly recommend VMware
Fusion.
Reviewing the archives will provide a thorough set of directions that
will help you learn how to install Windows, as should the product web
site.
I'm not an expert and in no way consider myself highly technical, but
I have been able to install and run Windows within 25 minutes of
reading & following the instructions others have kindly posted.
If you purchase Fusion, and insert a university into the college name
you will get a 50% discount, which is a great thing.
I have been able to install and effectively run Kurzweil 1000, as well
as Duxbury 10.7. Moreover, after initial setup, JFW11 has run very
well with no problems on my machine. Once you get your virtual machine
configured, make a snapshot that you can refer to when you need to
virtually reformat. :)
Note you will need considerable hard drive space (at least I do). I
have roughly 40GB set aside for my virtual machine.
If you need any other help or if you wish to discuss this further feel
free to reply - cheers.

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Re: question about speakable items

[Ioana Gandrabur]

I used the accent ,key that one uses with command to change windows.
Best,

Ioana

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On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi guys
> I have had a little time to mess around with speakable items, and I have run 
> into a little weird thing. I thought I would change my key from the escape 
> key to something else. However, when I want to do this I can't getting into 
> dashboard or something because I can't getting references to widgets. On the 
> MacBook Pro, should you use the function key together with any of the F5 
> through F12 keys? 
> Regards
> Gigi
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Damashe Thomas]

Hello,
My thanks to Kawal, Emilio and others for the answers. I will buy fusion and 
take the free copy of file maker pro when I buy my macBook. I appreciate the 
advice and comments.



- Original Message - 
From: "Emilio" 

To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro



Hello Damashe,

First, if you are wanting to exicute the installation and full
operation of Windows on the Mac, I would highly recommend VMware
Fusion.
Reviewing the archives will provide a thorough set of directions that
will help you learn how to install Windows, as should the product web
site.
I'm not an expert and in no way consider myself highly technical, but
I have been able to install and run Windows within 25 minutes of
reading & following the instructions others have kindly posted.
If you purchase Fusion, and insert a university into the college name
you will get a 50% discount, which is a great thing.
I have been able to install and effectively run Kurzweil 1000, as well
as Duxbury 10.7. Moreover, after initial setup, JFW11 has run very
well with no problems on my machine. Once you get your virtual machine
configured, make a snapshot that you can refer to when you need to
virtually reformat. :)
Note you will need considerable hard drive space (at least I do). I
have roughly 40GB set aside for my virtual machine.
If you need any other help or if you wish to discuss this further feel
free to reply - cheers.

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I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
Ever since getting the mac, I was told Chrome would serve me better; it was 
faster, easier, and vo would not be "busy" as much. Now, though, I have decided 
to make Safari my default browser, and here's why.

* Reader: the reader feature is amazing. I opened an article from twitter and 
was faced with a bunch of social network links and other junk I didn't want to 
read before I could find the article text. I remembered Reader, and thought I'd 
try it. I pressed cmd-shift-r and... wow! The article's title was a level one 
heading, and right below that was the article text. This will save a lot of 
time in the future.

*Text Selection: I don't need it much, but now that we can select text in 
Safari and not in other web browsers, I like knowing I have the option; in 
Chrome, this would be impossible, or nearly so

* Speed: I don't find Safari any slower than Chrome, and neither browser gives 
me busy messages.

* Downloads: I haven't tried it, but I hear there's a keystroke to show 
download progress. I like this, as I had nothing but problems downloading more 
than one file in Chrome, even if the files were downloaded separately and not 
simultaneously.

* The address bar: in Chrome, cmd-l brings me to a field in which I can type a 
url or a search term. That would be fine if it didn't also load a page on whose 
content vo focuses, thereby causing me to have to find the address bar all over 
again. In Safari, nothing of the kind happens; cmd-l jumps me to a (properly 
labeled and hinted) edit field and leaves me there.

That's all I have for now. If anyone has questions, let me know. If anyone is 
using Chrome, I suggest you take another look at Safari, especially the latest 
version (version 6 I believe).


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Ioana Gandrabur]

HI,

In view preferences of mail. Set list preview to none. NOt sure if this will 
solve your problem but worth a try.

Best,

Ioaana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.
pain to none.
On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Where might I find that setting?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-14, at 7:49 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> Did you make sure that the number of preview lines is 0? Very strange!
>> Best,
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>> stores.
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal 
>>> bar immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,. 
 
 When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
 Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
 vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
 Good luck with solving this issue!. 
 
 Best,. 
 
 Ioana 
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
 stores.
 Sent from my phone
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view 
> in Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to 
> collapse.  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being 
> read.  Any other thoughts?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try the following.
>> 
>> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the 
>> Messages table.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the 
>> VO cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
>> Splitter".
>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
>> top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
>> you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action 
>> will work.
>> 
>> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
>> Column Group.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
>> cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was 
>> supposed to do.
>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near 
>> the left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and 
>> release.  As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad 
>> button so that the dragging process will occur.
>> 
>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal 
>> Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical 
>> Splitter. Each case requires a different dragging direction if you 
>> choose that option.
>> 
>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you 
>> can navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
>> "Message Content Area", life is good.
>> 
>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  
>> In Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of 
>> the "New Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, 
>> one after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once 
>> you've located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press 
>> VO-down.  Vo will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  
>> In non-Classic layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the 
>> right of the Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right 
>> and VO will announce "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
>>> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the 
>>> left which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does 
>>> nothing.  Any other tips?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad 
 with trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 ri

Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Alex Hall]

ONe thing I'd like to mention before you put money into VMWare. There is an 
alternative called Virtualbox. It's interface is not accessible, but it has 
full terminal support, so you can set things up that way and never need to 
touch the interface. As far as I know, it is free, and works just fine. I have 
not tested either product yet, but I wanted to make you aware of this option in 
case you wanted to give it a shot. Note that, on the mac, "terminal" is the 
same thing as the windows command line, shell prompt, dos prompt, or whatever 
you want to call it.
On Aug 15, 2012, at 5:05 PM, "Damashe Thomas"  wrote:

> Hello,
> My thanks to Kawal, Emilio and others for the answers. I will buy fusion and 
> take the free copy of file maker pro when I buy my macBook. I appreciate the 
> advice and comments.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Emilio" 
> To: "MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
> 
> 
>> Hello Damashe,
>> 
>> First, if you are wanting to exicute the installation and full
>> operation of Windows on the Mac, I would highly recommend VMware
>> Fusion.
>> Reviewing the archives will provide a thorough set of directions that
>> will help you learn how to install Windows, as should the product web
>> site.
>> I'm not an expert and in no way consider myself highly technical, but
>> I have been able to install and run Windows within 25 minutes of
>> reading & following the instructions others have kindly posted.
>> If you purchase Fusion, and insert a university into the college name
>> you will get a 50% discount, which is a great thing.
>> I have been able to install and effectively run Kurzweil 1000, as well
>> as Duxbury 10.7. Moreover, after initial setup, JFW11 has run very
>> well with no problems on my machine. Once you get your virtual machine
>> configured, make a snapshot that you can refer to when you need to
>> virtually reformat. :)
>> Note you will need considerable hard drive space (at least I do). I
>> have roughly 40GB set aside for my virtual machine.
>> If you need any other help or if you wish to discuss this further feel
>> free to reply - cheers.
>> 
>> Twitter: TheOrangeCircle
>> 
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Esther]

Hi Christine,

I think that you have to log out and log back in again after making
your changes to Java Preferences in order for the changes to take
effect.  I assume you mean that you checked the check box for "Enable
applet plug-in and Web Start applications" on the General tab of Java
preferences.  If accepting the new certificate, checking that box, and
then exiting Java preferences and logging out and back in again don't
fix things for you then you may have to call Apple.  I'll point you to
the instructions for using Mouse Keys to move to the tabs of the Java
Preferemces menu from the mac-access list discussions.  I understand
that the entry under System Preferences in ML is now "Accessibility"
and not "Unversal Access", but this should make sense:
• Re: Mouse keys
http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access%40mac-access.net/msg11321.html
That post also gives a link to an earlier post,"Moving your cursor
with
Mouse Keys as an accessibility work around for Java Preferences", with
more detailed instructions.  Basically, there are 4 tabs under Java
Preferences: "General", "Security", "Network", and "Advanced". Each
tab takes about 70 horizontal mouse key presses to move across.  The
detailed post goes through everything in detail from scratch, but it
does assume you have previously set your verbosity in VoiceOver
Utility to announce what is under the mouse with 0 seconds delay so
VoiceOver can tell you what is under the mouse when you move to these
tabs with mouse keys. You can also move with your TrackPad without
using Mouse Keys if you only have to change tabs once, but if you end
up having to check multiple tabs and go back and forth between tabs in
a single session, it's simply easier to use Mouse Keys because you can
navigate precisely where you need to go.

This has been written up as detailed bug reports to Apple.  I think
you only need to log out and log in after you make your changes, but
if you need to look at other entries under Java preferences you can
use the instructions from the mac-access list posts to navigate.  I'm
not sure how you can uncheck items within tables on some of the tabs
if you need to, though -- VO announces "empty table" in these cases.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 15, 10:09 am, Christine Grassman 
wrote:
> Went into Java preferences, and there appear to be some edit boxes which I 
> have no clue how to handle.  I've tried checking and unchecking enabling 
> plug-ins, etc., but have the same result on the banking site. I have no idea 
> what else to do except call Apple. I suspect I'll have to bring it in so they 
> can look over my shoulder.
> Christine
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:56 AM, Esther  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Christine,
>
> > I read your original post again, and noted the mention of Java, which
> > is used by some banking sites.  Java is not installed by default under
> > Mountain Lion, and depending on whether you upgraded or performed a
> > clean install of ML you may have a version of Java that is not
> > compatible or needs to have a certificate deleted.  I'm not clear on
> > the details, because there are accessibility issues with running the
> > Java preferences application, so I can't easily check by looking at my
> > own setup. (We had to delete an old certificate for a Blackboard user
> > on another list, and use mouse keys to move to change the tabs).
>
> > One Apple discussion web site reported this recent exchange:
> > Installed  mountain lion but the web application I use for internet
> > banking requires java and there does not seem to be an update for java
> > in OSX ML
> > Reply:
> > Type "java" into spotlight. Make sure the check boxes are selected in
> > the java preferences.
>
> > The original poster stated this worked like a charm, but I have no
> > idea which check boxes are referred to given the accessibility issues
> > and the fact that I'm still running Lion.  The Spotlight instruction
> > is the way to launch java preferences.
>
> > HTH as a starting point. Cheers,
>
> > Esther
>
> > On Aug 14, 4:22 pm, Christine Grassman 
> > wrote:
> >> I did go into reset Safari, kept checked anything and everything I thought 
> >> might help -- I did not see reference to emptying caches, cookies, or 
> >> anything resembling that. I reset top web sites; reset history; unchecked 
> >> saved names and passwords; I think I left only two or three things 
> >> unchecked. Still, when I go into my bank's web site, it dumps me as soon 
> >> as I get to the log-in page, or right after logging in. It is literally 
> >> the only web site where I have experienced this; I cannot replicate it 
> >> anywhere else where I must log in. Clearly is something about my computer, 
> >> though, not the bank, not Safari, not VoiceOver.
> >> Christine
> >> P.S. My husband has not upgraded to ML, so that is the one and only 
> >> difference I can think of.
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Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?

[Chris Blouch]

I should say that turning down the brightness on the Mac does make its 
battery last longer, but that turning it off is the best and that screen 
curtain seems to have no or minimal impact on battery life.


CB

On 8/15/12 2:55 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
I think it does save battery power. On IOS devices, the light on the 
display is turned off, or at least on a very low setting. On the mac, 
I don't use the screen curtain, instead I turn the brightness down to 0

Original message:

Ok, one of my notorious "just wondering" questions.


I've heard many discussions about whether screen curtain saves 
battery life in laptops and the smaller devices. I'm wondering if 
screen curtain works by modifying information that's already been 
passed to the display, or whether it bypasses the display altogether. 
If it's used on an Ipod, for example, does it still use a lot of 
resources? Does anyone know how it works, technically speaking?



Thanks,
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Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Christopher-Mark gilland]

I'm a little confused about your example with the address bar with command l.  
Can you give me step by step something to try in Chrome, then have me try it 
again in Safari so I can specifically interactively see the difference in what 
you mean?  Sorry, I'm just more a hands on person.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:08 PM
  Subject: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why


  Hi all,
  Ever since getting the mac, I was told Chrome would serve me better; it was 
faster, easier, and vo would not be "busy" as much. Now, though, I have decided 
to make Safari my default browser, and here's why.


  * Reader: the reader feature is amazing. I opened an article from twitter and 
was faced with a bunch of social network links and other junk I didn't want to 
read before I could find the article text. I remembered Reader, and thought I'd 
try it. I pressed cmd-shift-r and... wow! The article's title was a level one 
heading, and right below that was the article text. This will save a lot of 
time in the future.


  *Text Selection: I don't need it much, but now that we can select text in 
Safari and not in other web browsers, I like knowing I have the option; in 
Chrome, this would be impossible, or nearly so


  * Speed: I don't find Safari any slower than Chrome, and neither browser 
gives me busy messages.


  * Downloads: I haven't tried it, but I hear there's a keystroke to show 
download progress. I like this, as I had nothing but problems downloading more 
than one file in Chrome, even if the files were downloaded separately and not 
simultaneously.


  * The address bar: in Chrome, cmd-l brings me to a field in which I can type 
a url or a search term. That would be fine if it didn't also load a page on 
whose content vo focuses, thereby causing me to have to find the address bar 
all over again. In Safari, nothing of the kind happens; cmd-l jumps me to a 
(properly labeled and hinted) edit field and leaves me there.


  That's all I have for now. If anyone has questions, let me know. If anyone is 
using Chrome, I suggest you take another look at Safari, especially the latest 
version (version 6 I believe).



  Have a great day,
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Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?

[Christopher-Mark gilland]

Is there a way to literally turn the display off?  I don't mean set 
brightness to 0 or turn on the curtain.  I literally mean turn off the 
display completely.


This is a mid 2010 stocked 13 inch white macbook.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Blouch" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?


I should say that turning down the brightness on the Mac does make its 
battery last longer, but that turning it off is the best and that screen 
curtain seems to have no or minimal impact on battery life.


CB

On 8/15/12 2:55 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
I think it does save battery power. On IOS devices, the light on the 
display is turned off, or at least on a very low setting. On the mac, I 
don't use the screen curtain, instead I turn the brightness down to 0

Original message:

Ok, one of my notorious "just wondering" questions.


I've heard many discussions about whether screen curtain saves battery 
life in laptops and the smaller devices. I'm wondering if screen curtain 
works by modifying information that's already been passed to the 
display, or whether it bypasses the display altogether. If it's used on 
an Ipod, for example, does it still use a lot of resources? Does anyone 
know how it works, technically speaking?



Thanks,
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Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Alex Hall]

I meant it literally: cmd-l in Chrome loads a page, cmd-l in Safari
does not. VO focuses on that page, so Safari not focusing is a
consequence of Safari not loading that page.

On 8/15/12, Christopher-Mark gilland  wrote:
> I'm a little confused about your example with the address bar with command
> l.  Can you give me step by step something to try in Chrome, then have me
> try it again in Safari so I can specifically interactively see the
> difference in what you mean?  Sorry, I'm just more a hands on person.
>
> Chris.
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Alex Hall
>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:08 PM
>   Subject: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why
>
>
>   Hi all,
>   Ever since getting the mac, I was told Chrome would serve me better; it
> was faster, easier, and vo would not be "busy" as much. Now, though, I have
> decided to make Safari my default browser, and here's why.
>
>
>   * Reader: the reader feature is amazing. I opened an article from twitter
> and was faced with a bunch of social network links and other junk I didn't
> want to read before I could find the article text. I remembered Reader, and
> thought I'd try it. I pressed cmd-shift-r and... wow! The article's title
> was a level one heading, and right below that was the article text. This
> will save a lot of time in the future.
>
>
>   *Text Selection: I don't need it much, but now that we can select text in
> Safari and not in other web browsers, I like knowing I have the option; in
> Chrome, this would be impossible, or nearly so
>
>
>   * Speed: I don't find Safari any slower than Chrome, and neither browser
> gives me busy messages.
>
>
>   * Downloads: I haven't tried it, but I hear there's a keystroke to show
> download progress. I like this, as I had nothing but problems downloading
> more than one file in Chrome, even if the files were downloaded separately
> and not simultaneously.
>
>
>   * The address bar: in Chrome, cmd-l brings me to a field in which I can
> type a url or a search term. That would be fine if it didn't also load a
> page on whose content vo focuses, thereby causing me to have to find the
> address bar all over again. In Safari, nothing of the kind happens; cmd-l
> jumps me to a (properly labeled and hinted) edit field and leaves me there.
>
>
>   That's all I have for now. If anyone has questions, let me know. If anyone
> is using Chrome, I suggest you take another look at Safari, especially the
> latest version (version 6 I believe).
>
>
>
>   Have a great day,
>   Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Christopher-Mark gilland]

I'm sorry,but now I'm totally lost.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Hall" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why



I meant it literally: cmd-l in Chrome loads a page, cmd-l in Safari
does not. VO focuses on that page, so Safari not focusing is a
consequence of Safari not loading that page.

On 8/15/12, Christopher-Mark gilland  wrote:
I'm a little confused about your example with the address bar with 
command

l.  Can you give me step by step something to try in Chrome, then have me
try it again in Safari so I can specifically interactively see the
difference in what you mean?  Sorry, I'm just more a hands on person.

Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: Alex Hall
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:08 PM
  Subject: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why


  Hi all,
  Ever since getting the mac, I was told Chrome would serve me better; it
was faster, easier, and vo would not be "busy" as much. Now, though, I 
have

decided to make Safari my default browser, and here's why.


  * Reader: the reader feature is amazing. I opened an article from 
twitter
and was faced with a bunch of social network links and other junk I 
didn't
want to read before I could find the article text. I remembered Reader, 
and

thought I'd try it. I pressed cmd-shift-r and... wow! The article's title
was a level one heading, and right below that was the article text. This
will save a lot of time in the future.


  *Text Selection: I don't need it much, but now that we can select text 
in
Safari and not in other web browsers, I like knowing I have the option; 
in

Chrome, this would be impossible, or nearly so


  * Speed: I don't find Safari any slower than Chrome, and neither 
browser

gives me busy messages.


  * Downloads: I haven't tried it, but I hear there's a keystroke to show
download progress. I like this, as I had nothing but problems downloading
more than one file in Chrome, even if the files were downloaded 
separately

and not simultaneously.


  * The address bar: in Chrome, cmd-l brings me to a field in which I can
type a url or a search term. That would be fine if it didn't also load a
page on whose content vo focuses, thereby causing me to have to find the
address bar all over again. In Safari, nothing of the kind happens; cmd-l
jumps me to a (properly labeled and hinted) edit field and leaves me 
there.



  That's all I have for now. If anyone has questions, let me know. If 
anyone
is using Chrome, I suggest you take another look at Safari, especially 
the

latest version (version 6 I believe).



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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Damash. I have been using fusion for two years. In general it works fine 
but peformance is much better with bootcamp especially with Open Book.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Damashe Thomas"  wrote:

> Hello List,
>  
> My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. I 
> live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for the 
> past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
> I have two quick questions to get started.
> Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
> speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should 
> I just go with VMWare fusion?
> I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use it, 
> but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
> openbook in a virtual windows environment?
>  
> Thanks
> Damashe
>  
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Question Regarding VM Ware

[Jesus Garcia]

Evening list members ok I now have installed mountain lion and VM Ware
running windows 7 64 bit and window eyes. I have a few questions and prefer
not to crowd the list with these questions. If anyone on the list is a power
user of VM ware and can answer about five questions can you please contact
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Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Mike Arrigo]

Not seeing this in chrome, pressing command+l works the same way it does in 
safari
On Aug 15, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> I meant it literally: cmd-l in Chrome loads a page, cmd-l in Safari
> does not. VO focuses on that page, so Safari not focusing is a
> consequence of Safari not loading that page.
> 
> On 8/15/12, Christopher-Mark gilland  wrote:
>> I'm a little confused about your example with the address bar with command
>> l.  Can you give me step by step something to try in Chrome, then have me
>> try it again in Safari so I can specifically interactively see the
>> difference in what you mean?  Sorry, I'm just more a hands on person.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Alex Hall
>>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:08 PM
>>  Subject: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why
>> 
>> 
>>  Hi all,
>>  Ever since getting the mac, I was told Chrome would serve me better; it
>> was faster, easier, and vo would not be "busy" as much. Now, though, I have
>> decided to make Safari my default browser, and here's why.
>> 
>> 
>>  * Reader: the reader feature is amazing. I opened an article from twitter
>> and was faced with a bunch of social network links and other junk I didn't
>> want to read before I could find the article text. I remembered Reader, and
>> thought I'd try it. I pressed cmd-shift-r and... wow! The article's title
>> was a level one heading, and right below that was the article text. This
>> will save a lot of time in the future.
>> 
>> 
>>  *Text Selection: I don't need it much, but now that we can select text in
>> Safari and not in other web browsers, I like knowing I have the option; in
>> Chrome, this would be impossible, or nearly so
>> 
>> 
>>  * Speed: I don't find Safari any slower than Chrome, and neither browser
>> gives me busy messages.
>> 
>> 
>>  * Downloads: I haven't tried it, but I hear there's a keystroke to show
>> download progress. I like this, as I had nothing but problems downloading
>> more than one file in Chrome, even if the files were downloaded separately
>> and not simultaneously.
>> 
>> 
>>  * The address bar: in Chrome, cmd-l brings me to a field in which I can
>> type a url or a search term. That would be fine if it didn't also load a
>> page on whose content vo focuses, thereby causing me to have to find the
>> address bar all over again. In Safari, nothing of the kind happens; cmd-l
>> jumps me to a (properly labeled and hinted) edit field and leaves me there.
>> 
>> 
>>  That's all I have for now. If anyone has questions, let me know. If anyone
>> is using Chrome, I suggest you take another look at Safari, especially the
>> latest version (version 6 I believe).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Have a great day,
>>  Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>  mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>> 
>> 
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Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Stacey Robinson]

Alex,
What is this reader option in safari and will it work with facebook?

On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Hi all,
> Ever since getting the mac, I was told Chrome would serve me better; it was 
> faster, easier, and vo would not be "busy" as much. Now, though, I have 
> decided to make Safari my default browser, and here's why.
> 
> * Reader: the reader feature is amazing. I opened an article from twitter and 
> was faced with a bunch of social network links and other junk I didn't want 
> to read before I could find the article text. I remembered Reader, and 
> thought I'd try it. I pressed cmd-shift-r and... wow! The article's title was 
> a level one heading, and right below that was the article text. This will 
> save a lot of time in the future.
> 
> *Text Selection: I don't need it much, but now that we can select text in 
> Safari and not in other web browsers, I like knowing I have the option; in 
> Chrome, this would be impossible, or nearly so
> 
> * Speed: I don't find Safari any slower than Chrome, and neither browser 
> gives me busy messages.
> 
> * Downloads: I haven't tried it, but I hear there's a keystroke to show 
> download progress. I like this, as I had nothing but problems downloading 
> more than one file in Chrome, even if the files were downloaded separately 
> and not simultaneously.
> 
> * The address bar: in Chrome, cmd-l brings me to a field in which I can type 
> a url or a search term. That would be fine if it didn't also load a page on 
> whose content vo focuses, thereby causing me to have to find the address bar 
> all over again. In Safari, nothing of the kind happens; cmd-l jumps me to a 
> (properly labeled and hinted) edit field and leaves me there.
> 
> That's all I have for now. If anyone has questions, let me know. If anyone is 
> using Chrome, I suggest you take another look at Safari, especially the 
> latest version (version 6 I believe).
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
> 
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Christine Grassman]

Thanks, Esther. Nothing seems to be working -- it is so odd; I have absolutely 
never experienced anything remotely like this before. 
Christine
On Aug 15, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Christine,
> 
> I think that you have to log out and log back in again after making
> your changes to Java Preferences in order for the changes to take
> effect.  I assume you mean that you checked the check box for "Enable
> applet plug-in and Web Start applications" on the General tab of Java
> preferences.  If accepting the new certificate, checking that box, and
> then exiting Java preferences and logging out and back in again don't
> fix things for you then you may have to call Apple.  I'll point you to
> the instructions for using Mouse Keys to move to the tabs of the Java
> Preferemces menu from the mac-access list discussions.  I understand
> that the entry under System Preferences in ML is now "Accessibility"
> and not "Unversal Access", but this should make sense:
> • Re: Mouse keys
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access%40mac-access.net/msg11321.html
> That post also gives a link to an earlier post,"Moving your cursor
> with
> Mouse Keys as an accessibility work around for Java Preferences", with
> more detailed instructions.  Basically, there are 4 tabs under Java
> Preferences: "General", "Security", "Network", and "Advanced". Each
> tab takes about 70 horizontal mouse key presses to move across.  The
> detailed post goes through everything in detail from scratch, but it
> does assume you have previously set your verbosity in VoiceOver
> Utility to announce what is under the mouse with 0 seconds delay so
> VoiceOver can tell you what is under the mouse when you move to these
> tabs with mouse keys. You can also move with your TrackPad without
> using Mouse Keys if you only have to change tabs once, but if you end
> up having to check multiple tabs and go back and forth between tabs in
> a single session, it's simply easier to use Mouse Keys because you can
> navigate precisely where you need to go.
> 
> This has been written up as detailed bug reports to Apple.  I think
> you only need to log out and log in after you make your changes, but
> if you need to look at other entries under Java preferences you can
> use the instructions from the mac-access list posts to navigate.  I'm
> not sure how you can uncheck items within tables on some of the tabs
> if you need to, though -- VO announces "empty table" in these cases.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Aug 15, 10:09 am, Christine Grassman 
> wrote:
>> Went into Java preferences, and there appear to be some edit boxes which I 
>> have no clue how to handle.  I've tried checking and unchecking enabling 
>> plug-ins, etc., but have the same result on the banking site. I have no idea 
>> what else to do except call Apple. I suspect I'll have to bring it in so 
>> they can look over my shoulder.
>> Christine
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:56 AM, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Christine,
>> 
>>> I read your original post again, and noted the mention of Java, which
>>> is used by some banking sites.  Java is not installed by default under
>>> Mountain Lion, and depending on whether you upgraded or performed a
>>> clean install of ML you may have a version of Java that is not
>>> compatible or needs to have a certificate deleted.  I'm not clear on
>>> the details, because there are accessibility issues with running the
>>> Java preferences application, so I can't easily check by looking at my
>>> own setup. (We had to delete an old certificate for a Blackboard user
>>> on another list, and use mouse keys to move to change the tabs).
>> 
>>> One Apple discussion web site reported this recent exchange:
>>> Installed  mountain lion but the web application I use for internet
>>> banking requires java and there does not seem to be an update for java
>>> in OSX ML
>>> Reply:
>>> Type "java" into spotlight. Make sure the check boxes are selected in
>>> the java preferences.
>> 
>>> The original poster stated this worked like a charm, but I have no
>>> idea which check boxes are referred to given the accessibility issues
>>> and the fact that I'm still running Lion.  The Spotlight instruction
>>> is the way to launch java preferences.
>> 
>>> HTH as a starting point. Cheers,
>> 
>>> Esther
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 4:22 pm, Christine Grassman 
>>> wrote:
 I did go into reset Safari, kept checked anything and everything I thought 
 might help -- I did not see reference to emptying caches, cookies, or 
 anything resembling that. I reset top web sites; reset history; unchecked 
 saved names and passwords; I think I left only two or three things 
 unchecked. Still, when I go into my bank's web site, it dumps me as soon 
 as I get to the log-in page, or right after logging in. It is literally 
 the only web site where I have experienced this; I cannot replicate it 
 anywhere else where I must log in. Clearly is something about my comput

Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Christine, I'm probably being insulting, and I don't mean to, but have you 
tried hitting "refresh," command R, in here somewhere?  Refreshing a page may 
not be a wise thing to do when sending a form, but it may clear away any 
auto-fill or other hold-overs from cache.


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Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

This is the same on IOS devices.  The backlight is still on.

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On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> Not sure on devices but for laptops it just sets the pixels to black, so the 
> backlight is still running. If you want to save battery you need to use F1 
> and turn the screen all the way down. All the way down turns the backlight 
> off. Likewise using F5 to turn the keyboard backlight all the way down will 
> also shut those lights off.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 8/15/12 11:18 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> Ok, one of my notorious "just wondering" questions.
>> 
>> I've heard many discussions about whether screen curtain saves battery life 
>> in laptops and the smaller devices. I'm wondering if screen curtain works by 
>> modifying information that's already been passed to the display, or whether 
>> it bypasses the display altogether. If it's used on an Ipod, for example, 
>> does it still use a lot of resources? Does anyone know how it works, 
>> technically speaking?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Christine Grassman]

But of course. :) Still haven't found how to empty the darned cache or clear 
cookies, though. Nowhere cn I locate this.
Christine
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wrote:

> Christine, I'm probably being insulting, and I don't mean to, but have you 
> tried hitting "refresh," command R, in here somewhere?  Refreshing a page may 
> not be a wise thing to do when sending a form, but it may clear away any 
> auto-fill or other hold-overs from cache.
> 
> 
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Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?

[Ricardo Walker]

Turning brightness to 0 does turn off the display.

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On Aug 15, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland  
wrote:

> Is there a way to literally turn the display off?  I don't mean set 
> brightness to 0 or turn on the curtain.  I literally mean turn off the 
> display completely.
> 
> This is a mid 2010 stocked 13 inch white macbook.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Chris Blouch" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?
> 
> 
>> I should say that turning down the brightness on the Mac does make its 
>> battery last longer, but that turning it off is the best and that screen 
>> curtain seems to have no or minimal impact on battery life.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 8/15/12 2:55 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> I think it does save battery power. On IOS devices, the light on the 
>>> display is turned off, or at least on a very low setting. On the mac, I 
>>> don't use the screen curtain, instead I turn the brightness down to 0
>>> Original message:
 Ok, one of my notorious "just wondering" questions.
>>> 
 I've heard many discussions about whether screen curtain saves battery 
 life in laptops and the smaller devices. I'm wondering if screen curtain 
 works by modifying information that's already been passed to the display, 
 or whether it bypasses the display altogether. If it's used on an Ipod, 
 for example, does it still use a lot of resources? Does anyone know how it 
 works, technically speaking?
>>> 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

First thing, open Safari and press command comma to open preferences.  in the 
toolbar, select the advanced tab, and check Show Develop menu in menu bar.  
Now, to empty the cash, press command option E.

To clear cookies.  Go back into Safari preferences and choose security from the 
toolbar.  You will find the option in there.

You will also want to take a look in the Safari menu and select reset Safari.  
There is a bunch of options in here too.

hth.

Ricardo Walker
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On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> But of course. :) Still haven't found how to empty the darned cache or clear 
> cookies, though. Nowhere cn I locate this.
> Christine
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter  
> wrote:
> 
>> Christine, I'm probably being insulting, and I don't mean to, but have you 
>> tried hitting "refresh," command R, in here somewhere?  Refreshing a page 
>> may not be a wise thing to do when sending a form, but it may clear away any 
>> auto-fill or other hold-overs from cache.
>> 
>> 
>> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>> • My home page:
>> • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Alex Hall]

Chris and others: when I hit cmd-l in chrome, I get put in the edit field as 
you'd expect. I then hear the html load ouns and am focused on some new page 
that alwasy loads when I hit cmd-l. I must then move back to the text field and 
interact again before I can type.

Stacey: it is a feature that tries to find an article on a webpage and only 
present that. Facebook would not benefit as there is far too much goin on and 
no large chunks of text. However, if you go to a news site and open an article, 
it will help you a lot. Still, it can't hurt; while on Facebook, hit 
cmd-shift-r and see what happens. You may well get an error sound as I don't 
think Reader is available on pages where the mac can't find an article to read.
On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Alex,
> What is this reader option in safari and will it work with facebook?
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> Ever since getting the mac, I was told Chrome would serve me better; it was 
>> faster, easier, and vo would not be "busy" as much. Now, though, I have 
>> decided to make Safari my default browser, and here's why.
>> 
>> * Reader: the reader feature is amazing. I opened an article from twitter 
>> and was faced with a bunch of social network links and other junk I didn't 
>> want to read before I could find the article text. I remembered Reader, and 
>> thought I'd try it. I pressed cmd-shift-r and... wow! The article's title 
>> was a level one heading, and right below that was the article text. This 
>> will save a lot of time in the future.
>> 
>> *Text Selection: I don't need it much, but now that we can select text in 
>> Safari and not in other web browsers, I like knowing I have the option; in 
>> Chrome, this would be impossible, or nearly so
>> 
>> * Speed: I don't find Safari any slower than Chrome, and neither browser 
>> gives me busy messages.
>> 
>> * Downloads: I haven't tried it, but I hear there's a keystroke to show 
>> download progress. I like this, as I had nothing but problems downloading 
>> more than one file in Chrome, even if the files were downloaded separately 
>> and not simultaneously.
>> 
>> * The address bar: in Chrome, cmd-l brings me to a field in which I can type 
>> a url or a search term. That would be fine if it didn't also load a page on 
>> whose content vo focuses, thereby causing me to have to find the address bar 
>> all over again. In Safari, nothing of the kind happens; cmd-l jumps me to a 
>> (properly labeled and hinted) edit field and leaves me there.
>> 
>> That's all I have for now. If anyone has questions, let me know. If anyone 
>> is using Chrome, I suggest you take another look at Safari, especially the 
>> latest version (version 6 I believe).
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Emrah]

You are correct Alex, I think it loads some kind of default tab content.
This is the one thing that has been bugging me with Chrome...  Otherwise it's 
pretty good.

On the other hand, I love Chrome on iOS. I was so surprised to see how 
accessible it was.

Best,
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On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Chris and others: when I hit cmd-l in chrome, I get put in the edit field as 
> you'd expect. I then hear the html load ouns and am focused on some new page 
> that alwasy loads when I hit cmd-l. I must then move back to the text field 
> and interact again before I can type.
> 
> Stacey: it is a feature that tries to find an article on a webpage and only 
> present that. Facebook would not benefit as there is far too much goin on and 
> no large chunks of text. However, if you go to a news site and open an 
> article, it will help you a lot. Still, it can't hurt; while on Facebook, hit 
> cmd-shift-r and see what happens. You may well get an error sound as I don't 
> think Reader is available on pages where the mac can't find an article to 
> read.
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Alex,
>> What is this reader option in safari and will it work with facebook?
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Ever since getting the mac, I was told Chrome would serve me better; it was 
>>> faster, easier, and vo would not be "busy" as much. Now, though, I have 
>>> decided to make Safari my default browser, and here's why.
>>> 
>>> * Reader: the reader feature is amazing. I opened an article from twitter 
>>> and was faced with a bunch of social network links and other junk I didn't 
>>> want to read before I could find the article text. I remembered Reader, and 
>>> thought I'd try it. I pressed cmd-shift-r and... wow! The article's title 
>>> was a level one heading, and right below that was the article text. This 
>>> will save a lot of time in the future.
>>> 
>>> *Text Selection: I don't need it much, but now that we can select text in 
>>> Safari and not in other web browsers, I like knowing I have the option; in 
>>> Chrome, this would be impossible, or nearly so
>>> 
>>> * Speed: I don't find Safari any slower than Chrome, and neither browser 
>>> gives me busy messages.
>>> 
>>> * Downloads: I haven't tried it, but I hear there's a keystroke to show 
>>> download progress. I like this, as I had nothing but problems downloading 
>>> more than one file in Chrome, even if the files were downloaded separately 
>>> and not simultaneously.
>>> 
>>> * The address bar: in Chrome, cmd-l brings me to a field in which I can 
>>> type a url or a search term. That would be fine if it didn't also load a 
>>> page on whose content vo focuses, thereby causing me to have to find the 
>>> address bar all over again. In Safari, nothing of the kind happens; cmd-l 
>>> jumps me to a (properly labeled and hinted) edit field and leaves me there.
>>> 
>>> That's all I have for now. If anyone has questions, let me know. If anyone 
>>> is using Chrome, I suggest you take another look at Safari, especially the 
>>> latest version (version 6 I believe).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Damashe Thomas]

Hello,
Thanks for the notice Alex, I will take a look at virtualbox also.
Paul, is performance terrible with openbook?

Thanks
  - Original Message - 
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:15 PM
  Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro


  Hello Damash. I have been using fusion for two years. In general it works 
fine but peformance is much better with bootcamp especially with Open Book.

  On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Damashe Thomas"  
wrote:


Hello List,

My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. 
I live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for the 
past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
I have two quick questions to get started.
Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should I 
just go with VMWare fusion?
I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use 
it, but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
openbook in a virtual windows environment?

Thanks
Damashe

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Re: materials for the mac

[Laura ann Grymes, LMT]

Voice over help
http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.7/English.lproj/index.html

Switch 101 apple
http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/

David woodbrige  has done some great pod cast on Lion and Mountain Lion.
Apple and other accessible technology pod cast
Awesome pod cast found in iTunes.
He also has pod cast on apple vis and was recently on Dr. Robert Carter's Tech 
Doctor Pod cast.


Earl harris at Triumph Technology has a workbook and tutorial for mac lion. $75 
on CD also comes in Braille
http://www.attriumph.com

Some members here on the list offer tutoring and instruction.


Apple Vis pod cast is a great resource
great reviews, pod cast and help
http://www.applevis.com/apps

Serotalk podcast is excellent to learn and keep up with technology.
www.serotalk.com
They also have triple click home and its wonderful for info on apple 
The host on both pod cast do a great job
http://tripleclickhome.com


The Tech Doctor Pod cast is also very very good and great to learn and keep up 
with apple and technology.
Dr. Robert Carter is the host and does a fabulous job.
http://www.dr-carter.com

apple key board short cuts lion
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

Hope some of these links help you.
I recently changed to all apple products and am very very please.
way less crashing and so much more stable. this list is a wonderful resource 
full of people willing and ready to help and answer questions.
I have had a learning curve but was totally just thrown into learning because 
my windows machines died.

Take control has Ebooks on Lion and Mountain Lion and other aspects of apple.
http://www.takecontrolbooks.com


There is a pod cast called mac for the blind that looks like it has good 
tutorials as well that I have downloaded and will be listening to.



Hope some of the above info helps.
There are many more great pod cast and resources.
Hope this helps you get started.
Oh and you may be able to search the archives of this list for more resources 
and info.

Laura Ann 

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Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Ricardo Walker]

I still don't like the fact that you can't navigate to elements contained in 
tables with the rotor, item chooser or, navigation keystrokes. 

Ricardo Walker
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On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:04 PM, Emrah  wrote:

> You are correct Alex, I think it loads some kind of default tab content.
> This is the one thing that has been bugging me with Chrome...  Otherwise it's 
> pretty good.
> 
> On the other hand, I love Chrome on iOS. I was so surprised to see how 
> accessible it was.
> 
> Best,
> Emrah
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> 
> “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” 
> Albert Einstein
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Chris and others: when I hit cmd-l in chrome, I get put in the edit field as 
>> you'd expect. I then hear the html load ouns and am focused on some new page 
>> that alwasy loads when I hit cmd-l. I must then move back to the text field 
>> and interact again before I can type.
>> 
>> Stacey: it is a feature that tries to find an article on a webpage and only 
>> present that. Facebook would not benefit as there is far too much goin on 
>> and no large chunks of text. However, if you go to a news site and open an 
>> article, it will help you a lot. Still, it can't hurt; while on Facebook, 
>> hit cmd-shift-r and see what happens. You may well get an error sound as I 
>> don't think Reader is available on pages where the mac can't find an article 
>> to read.
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Alex,
>>> What is this reader option in safari and will it work with facebook?
>>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 Ever since getting the mac, I was told Chrome would serve me better; it 
 was faster, easier, and vo would not be "busy" as much. Now, though, I 
 have decided to make Safari my default browser, and here's why.
 
 * Reader: the reader feature is amazing. I opened an article from twitter 
 and was faced with a bunch of social network links and other junk I didn't 
 want to read before I could find the article text. I remembered Reader, 
 and thought I'd try it. I pressed cmd-shift-r and... wow! The article's 
 title was a level one heading, and right below that was the article text. 
 This will save a lot of time in the future.
 
 *Text Selection: I don't need it much, but now that we can select text in 
 Safari and not in other web browsers, I like knowing I have the option; in 
 Chrome, this would be impossible, or nearly so
 
 * Speed: I don't find Safari any slower than Chrome, and neither browser 
 gives me busy messages.
 
 * Downloads: I haven't tried it, but I hear there's a keystroke to show 
 download progress. I like this, as I had nothing but problems downloading 
 more than one file in Chrome, even if the files were downloaded separately 
 and not simultaneously.
 
 * The address bar: in Chrome, cmd-l brings me to a field in which I can 
 type a url or a search term. That would be fine if it didn't also load a 
 page on whose content vo focuses, thereby causing me to have to find the 
 address bar all over again. In Safari, nothing of the kind happens; cmd-l 
 jumps me to a (properly labeled and hinted) edit field and leaves me there.
 
 That's all I have for now. If anyone has questions, let me know. If anyone 
 is using Chrome, I suggest you take another look at Safari, especially the 
 latest version (version 6 I believe).
 
 
 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
 
 
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RE: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Alex. I'm using Windows 7 in VM Fusion. Yes, In many instances it can
take a minute or two to recognize pages. On the other hand, my wife has
Windows XP running in Bootcamp and pages are recognized in a matter of
seconds. There are a couple of other things you should know. Focus Braille
Drivers do not load in the Virtual Machine and Freedom Scientific is not
willing to help resolve the issue because they don't support running JAWS or
any of their applications in Virtual machines. Finally, any time you change
the configuration of your Virtual Machine you lose an activation. Freedom
Scientific is not willing to issue additional keys very often. On the plus
side, You can install Windows without sighted assistance. You can also add
printers and read and write documents stored on the Mac side. In addition,
because your virtual machine is just an image, it's easy to restore it from
a backup. So you can see that thare are tradeoffs. After considering all of
them, I'm willing to switch over to Bootcamp for the increased performance.
I'll use Drop Box whenever I need to move folders from the Mac side to the
Windows side.

 

HTH

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Damashe Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

 

Hello,

Thanks for the notice Alex, I will take a look at virtualbox also.

Paul, is performance terrible with openbook?

 

Thanks

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From: Paul Hunt   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:15 PM

Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

 

Hello Damash. I have been using fusion for two years. In general it works
fine but peformance is much better with bootcamp especially with Open Book.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Damashe Thomas" 
wrote:

Hello List,

 

My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. I
live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for
the past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.

I have two quick questions to get started.

Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can
speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should
I just go with VMWare fusion?

I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use
it, but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or
openbook in a virtual windows environment?

 

Thanks

Damashe

 

Skype:

damashe.thomas

 

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Re: I just switched back to Safari from Chrome, here's why

[Rose Waagan]

Hi Alex and others, 
I know of the Chrome problem which you describe regarding the address bar. Only 
for me, it happens in Safari instead of chrome. At any rate, what build of 
chrome are you guys running? I make it a point to always run the latest dev 
build. I have chrome set to update automatically. Also, I haven't used reader 
on my Mac, but I have used it on ios. I find it to be extremely useful. 
Cheers, 
Rose Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Emrah  wrote:

> You are correct Alex, I think it loads some kind of default tab content.
> This is the one thing that has been bugging me with Chrome...  Otherwise it's 
> pretty good.
> 
> On the other hand, I love Chrome on iOS. I was so surprised to see how 
> accessible it was.
> 
> Best,
> Emrah
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> 
> “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” 
> Albert Einstein
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Chris and others: when I hit cmd-l in chrome, I get put in the edit field as 
>> you'd expect. I then hear the html load ouns and am focused on some new page 
>> that alwasy loads when I hit cmd-l. I must then move back to the text field 
>> and interact again before I can type.
>> 
>> Stacey: it is a feature that tries to find an article on a webpage and only 
>> present that. Facebook would not benefit as there is far too much goin on 
>> and no large chunks of text. However, if you go to a news site and open an 
>> article, it will help you a lot. Still, it can't hurt; while on Facebook, 
>> hit cmd-shift-r and see what happens. You may well get an error sound as I 
>> don't think Reader is available on pages where the mac can't find an article 
>> to read.
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Alex,
>>> What is this reader option in safari and will it work with facebook?
>>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 Ever since getting the mac, I was told Chrome would serve me better; it 
 was faster, easier, and vo would not be "busy" as much. Now, though, I 
 have decided to make Safari my default browser, and here's why.
 
 * Reader: the reader feature is amazing. I opened an article from twitter 
 and was faced with a bunch of social network links and other junk I didn't 
 want to read before I could find the article text. I remembered Reader, 
 and thought I'd try it. I pressed cmd-shift-r and... wow! The article's 
 title was a level one heading, and right below that was the article text. 
 This will save a lot of time in the future.
 
 *Text Selection: I don't need it much, but now that we can select text in 
 Safari and not in other web browsers, I like knowing I have the option; in 
 Chrome, this would be impossible, or nearly so
 
 * Speed: I don't find Safari any slower than Chrome, and neither browser 
 gives me busy messages.
 
 * Downloads: I haven't tried it, but I hear there's a keystroke to show 
 download progress. I like this, as I had nothing but problems downloading 
 more than one file in Chrome, even if the files were downloaded separately 
 and not simultaneously.
 
 * The address bar: in Chrome, cmd-l brings me to a field in which I can 
 type a url or a search term. That would be fine if it didn't also load a 
 page on whose content vo focuses, thereby causing me to have to find the 
 address bar all over again. In Safari, nothing of the kind happens; cmd-l 
 jumps me to a (properly labeled and hinted) edit field and leaves me there.
 
 That's all I have for now. If anyone has questions, let me know. If anyone 
 is using Chrome, I suggest you take another look at Safari, especially the 
 latest version (version 6 I believe).
 
 
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Damashe Thomas]

Ok, thanks Paul. I appreciate the input, especially the information about 
losing keys on jaws.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Hunt 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:33 PM
  Subject: RE: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro


  Hello Alex. I'm using Windows 7 in VM Fusion. Yes, In many instances it can 
take a minute or two to recognize pages. On the other hand, my wife has Windows 
XP running in Bootcamp and pages are recognized in a matter of seconds. There 
are a couple of other things you should know. Focus Braille Drivers do not load 
in the Virtual Machine and Freedom Scientific is not willing to help resolve 
the issue because they don't support running JAWS or any of their applications 
in Virtual machines. Finally, any time you change the configuration of your 
Virtual Machine you lose an activation. Freedom Scientific is not willing to 
issue additional keys very often. On the plus side, You can install Windows 
without sighted assistance. You can also add printers and read and write 
documents stored on the Mac side. In addition, because your virtual machine is 
just an image, it's easy to restore it from a backup. So you can see that thare 
are tradeoffs. After considering all of them, I'm willing to switch over to 
Bootcamp for the increased performance. I'll use Drop Box whenever I need to 
move folders from the Mac side to the Windows side.

   

  HTH

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Damashe Thomas
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:04 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

   

  Hello,

  Thanks for the notice Alex, I will take a look at virtualbox also.

  Paul, is performance terrible with openbook?

   

  Thanks

- Original Message - 

From: Paul Hunt 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:15 PM

Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

 

Hello Damash. I have been using fusion for two years. In general it works 
fine but peformance is much better with bootcamp especially with Open Book.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Damashe Thomas"  
wrote:

  Hello List,

   

  My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries 
group. I live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user 
for the past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.

  I have two quick questions to get started.

  Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should I 
just go with VMWare fusion?

  I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use 
it, but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
openbook in a virtual windows environment?

   

  Thanks

  Damashe

   

  Skype:

  damashe.thomas

   

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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Alex Hall]

One word: NVDA. Go to http://www.nvda-project.org to find out more and download 
this program, but it's basically a free screen reader that is updated 
regularly, has no licensing or driver problems, and... well, it's free! After 
all, do you really need to pay hundreds for a screen reader on an OS you use 
seldom enough that you can run it virtually? Maybe you do, I'm not trying to 
start anything, but it seems like a valid question. If you can get by with a 
free screen reader for the times you do need Windows, you could save a lot of 
money, time, and aggravation by not dealing with jfw, which is not even 
supported on virtual machines. To be fair I have not yet tried nvda on a vm, 
but I have not heard of anyone having problems with it on the development or 
support email lists. Now, off to research virtualbox so I can have a leg to 
stand on regarding nvda on a vm...
On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:38 PM, "Damashe Thomas"  wrote:

> Ok, thanks Paul. I appreciate the input, especially the information about 
> losing keys on jaws.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Hunt
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:33 PM
> Subject: RE: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
> 
> Hello Alex. I’m using Windows 7 in VM Fusion. Yes, In many instances it can 
> take a minute or two to recognize pages. On the other hand, my wife has 
> Windows XP running in Bootcamp and pages are recognized in a matter of 
> seconds. There are a couple of other things you should know. Focus Braille 
> Drivers do not load in the Virtual Machine and Freedom Scientific is not 
> willing to help resolve the issue because they don’t support running JAWS or 
> any of their applications in Virtual machines. Finally, any time you change 
> the configuration of your Virtual Machine you lose an activation. Freedom 
> Scientific is not willing to issue additional keys very often. On the plus 
> side, You can install Windows without sighted assistance. You can also add 
> printers and read and write documents stored on the Mac side. In addition, 
> because your virtual machine is just an image, it’s easy to restore it from a 
> backup. So you can see that thare are tradeoffs. After considering all of 
> them, I’m willing to switch over to Bootcamp for the increased performance. 
> I’ll use Drop Box whenever I need to move folders from the Mac side to the 
> Windows side.
>  
> HTH
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Damashe Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
>  
> Hello,
> Thanks for the notice Alex, I will take a look at virtualbox also.
> Paul, is performance terrible with openbook?
>  
> Thanks
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Hunt
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
>  
> Hello Damash. I have been using fusion for two years. In general it works 
> fine but peformance is much better with bootcamp especially with Open Book.
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Damashe Thomas"  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello List,
>  
> My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. I 
> live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for the 
> past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
> I have two quick questions to get started.
> Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
> speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should 
> I just go with VMWare fusion?
> I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use it, 
> but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
> openbook in a virtual windows environment?
>  
> Thanks
> Damashe
>  
> Skype:
> damashe.thomas
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Hank Smith]

is virtual box vo friendly?
last I used it it wasnt

On 8/15/2012 7:04 PM, Damashe Thomas wrote:

Hello,
Thanks for the notice Alex, I will take a look at virtualbox also.
Paul, is performance terrible with openbook?
Thanks

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*From:* Paul Hunt 
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:15 PM
*Subject:* Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

Hello Damash. I have been using fusion for two years. In general
it works fine but peformance is much better with bootcamp
especially with Open Book.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Damashe Thomas"
mailto:damashe.tho...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello List,
My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the
macvisionaries group. I live in the great state of Georgia. I
have been a very happy iOS user for the past four years and am
preparing to make the move to the mac.
I have two quick questions to get started.
Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels
and can speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a
possible option or should I just go with VMWare fusion?
I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I
have to use it, but has anyone run in to any issues using
applications like kurzweil or openbook in a virtual windows
environment?
Thanks
Damashe
Skype:
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reading PDFs?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I have now tried two pdf files with the mac's default pdf reader, and it was 
painful. Vo couldn't properly interact with the text (I had no arrow key 
reading), and vo-a reads as though words are cut at random places or skipped 
entirely. I was hoping textedit could help, but no luck. What app do people 
prefer for easily and fully reading pdfs on the mac? I'd rather a free solution 
if at all possible. Thanks.


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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Alex Hall]

As I said, it is not. However, AI hear it has extensive command line options, 
so controlling it through terminal should be possible. I am investigating now 
and will report back once I know more.
On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:

> is virtual box vo friendly?
> last I used it it wasnt
> 
> On 8/15/2012 7:04 PM, Damashe Thomas wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Thanks for the notice Alex, I will take a look at virtualbox also.
>> Paul, is performance terrible with openbook?
>>  
>> Thanks
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Paul Hunt
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
>> 
>> Hello Damash. I have been using fusion for two years. In general it works 
>> fine but peformance is much better with bootcamp especially with Open Book.
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Damashe Thomas"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List,
>>>  
>>> My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. 
>>> I live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for 
>>> the past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
>>> I have two quick questions to get started.
>>> Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
>>> speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or 
>>> should I just go with VMWare fusion?
>>> I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use 
>>> it, but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
>>> openbook in a virtual windows environment?
>>>  
>>> Thanks
>>> Damashe
>>>  
>>> Skype:
>>> damashe.thomas
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Re: reading PDFs?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I use Stanza to read PDFs

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On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I have now tried two pdf files with the mac's default pdf reader, and it was 
> painful. Vo couldn't properly interact with the text (I had no arrow key 
> reading), and vo-a reads as though words are cut at random places or skipped 
> entirely. I was hoping textedit could help, but no luck. What app do people 
> prefer for easily and fully reading pdfs on the mac? I'd rather a free 
> solution if at all possible. Thanks.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

[Damashe Thomas]

I am very familiar with NVDA. I have used it as well as Serotek's SATOGO also. 
But since I expect my windows use to be very light, I will be chosing a much 
cheaper or even free option once my license for jaws runs out.
Let me know about how virtualbox works out.
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  From: Alex Hall 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:30 PM
  Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro


  One word: NVDA. Go to http://www.nvda-project.org to find out more and 
download this program, but it's basically a free screen reader that is updated 
regularly, has no licensing or driver problems, and... well, it's free! After 
all, do you really need to pay hundreds for a screen reader on an OS you use 
seldom enough that you can run it virtually? Maybe you do, I'm not trying to 
start anything, but it seems like a valid question. If you can get by with a 
free screen reader for the times you do need Windows, you could save a lot of 
money, time, and aggravation by not dealing with jfw, which is not even 
supported on virtual machines. To be fair I have not yet tried nvda on a vm, 
but I have not heard of anyone having problems with it on the development or 
support email lists. Now, off to research virtualbox so I can have a leg to 
stand on regarding nvda on a vm...

  On Aug 15, 2012, at 10:38 PM, "Damashe Thomas"  
wrote:


Ok, thanks Paul. I appreciate the input, especially the information about 
losing keys on jaws.

  - Original Message -
  From: Paul Hunt
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:33 PM
  Subject: RE: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro


  Hello Alex. I’m using Windows 7 in VM Fusion. Yes, In many instances it 
can take a minute or two to recognize pages. On the other hand, my wife has 
Windows XP running in Bootcamp and pages are recognized in a matter of seconds. 
There are a couple of other things you should know. Focus Braille Drivers do 
not load in the Virtual Machine and Freedom Scientific is not willing to help 
resolve the issue because they don’t support running JAWS or any of their 
applications in Virtual machines. Finally, any time you change the 
configuration of your Virtual Machine you lose an activation. Freedom 
Scientific is not willing to issue additional keys very often. On the plus 
side, You can install Windows without sighted assistance. You can also add 
printers and read and write documents stored on the Mac side. In addition, 
because your virtual machine is just an image, it’s easy to restore it from a 
backup. So you can see that thare are tradeoffs. After considering all of them, 
I’m willing to switch over to Bootcamp for the increased performance. I’ll use 
Drop Box whenever I need to move folders from the Mac side to the Windows side.

  HTH

  From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Damashe Thomas
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:04 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

  Hello,
  Thanks for the notice Alex, I will take a look at virtualbox also.
  Paul, is performance terrible with openbook?

  Thanks
- Original Message -
From: Paul Hunt
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

Hello Damash. I have been using fusion for two years. In general it 
works fine but peformance is much better with bootcamp especially with Open 
Book.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Damashe Thomas" 
 wrote:

  Hello List,

  My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries 
group. I live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user 
for the past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
  I have two quick questions to get started.
  Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and 
can speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or 
should I just go with VMWare fusion?
  I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to 
use it, but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
openbook in a virtual windows environment?

  Thanks
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Re: reading PDFs?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Ricardo,

I think Stanza is an improvement over Preview from the limited experience I've 
had with Stanza before writing this message.

Les
On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:54 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I use Stanza to read PDFs
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have now tried two pdf files with the mac's default pdf reader, and it was 
>> painful. Vo couldn't properly interact with the text (I had no arrow key 
>> reading), and vo-a reads as though words are cut at random places or skipped 
>> entirely. I was hoping textedit could help, but no luck. What app do people 
>> prefer for easily and fully reading pdfs on the mac? I'd rather a free 
>> solution if at all possible. Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi
If the brightness is set to zero, will the camera still work on a skype call? I 
realise I wouldn't be able to see the other person, but I can't see anyway so 
that doesn't matter. But I want them to be able to see mee, so wonder if the 
camera still works when the brightness is set to zero.
Lisette

On 16/08/2012, at 1:30 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This is the same on IOS devices.  The backlight is still on.
> 
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> On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
>> Not sure on devices but for laptops it just sets the pixels to black, so the 
>> backlight is still running. If you want to save battery you need to use F1 
>> and turn the screen all the way down. All the way down turns the backlight 
>> off. Likewise using F5 to turn the keyboard backlight all the way down will 
>> also shut those lights off.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 8/15/12 11:18 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> Ok, one of my notorious "just wondering" questions.
>>> 
>>> I've heard many discussions about whether screen curtain saves battery life 
>>> in laptops and the smaller devices. I'm wondering if screen curtain works 
>>> by modifying information that's already been passed to the display, or 
>>> whether it bypasses the display altogether. If it's used on an Ipod, for 
>>> example, does it still use a lot of resources? Does anyone know how it 
>>> works, technically speaking?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
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Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?

[Ricardo Walker]

I'm not sure.  I don't think turning off the display would effect the camera 
though.  Just a guess on my part of course. Try it and see what happens.

Ricardo Walker
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On Aug 16, 2012, at 2:07 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi
> If the brightness is set to zero, will the camera still work on a skype call? 
> I realise I wouldn't be able to see the other person, but I can't see anyway 
> so that doesn't matter. But I want them to be able to see mee, so wonder if 
> the camera still works when the brightness is set to zero.
> Lisette
> 
> On 16/08/2012, at 1:30 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is the same on IOS devices.  The backlight is still on.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> Not sure on devices but for laptops it just sets the pixels to black, so 
>>> the backlight is still running. If you want to save battery you need to use 
>>> F1 and turn the screen all the way down. All the way down turns the 
>>> backlight off. Likewise using F5 to turn the keyboard backlight all the way 
>>> down will also shut those lights off.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 8/15/12 11:18 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Ok, one of my notorious "just wondering" questions.
 
 I've heard many discussions about whether screen curtain saves battery 
 life in laptops and the smaller devices. I'm wondering if screen curtain 
 works by modifying information that's already been passed to the display, 
 or whether it bypasses the display altogether. If it's used on an Ipod, 
 for example, does it still use a lot of resources? Does anyone know how it 
 works, technically speaking?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Re: Customising favourites bar in Mountain Lion

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Iona,

I understand from Tim's post that the click happens only on magic trackpad. In 
my case, I have accomplished the task on a macbook air with touch pad. I had to 
turn the trackpad commander off with vo+left turn of the rotor and then I would 
position the mouse with vo+command+f5 on the box I want to remove, confirm my 
mouse position with vo+f5, and then would press with one finger my trackpad 
somewhere at the top and while maintaining pressure would slide my finger down. 
I then would hear a little puff sound as if you were blowing a speck of dust 
away, and that would confirm to me that the item was removed.

Hope this helps.

Andrew
On 15 Aug 2012, at 21:39, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Hi again,
> 
> Sorry but I get no click  pressing down on the trackpad with commander turned 
> on or off. DOes the click always happen or only on certain items?
> 
> Do you click anywhere on the trackpad? A  bit stumped.
> 
> THanks for all your help!
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> You shouldn't need to tur the commander off although I usually have it off 
>> as I accidentally make it do things with my wrists.  For the Magic Trackpad, 
>> simply push on the Trackpad itself and you'll notice a click.  Make sure it 
>> is pressed down when dragging.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-15, at 10:54 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>>> HOw do you use the trackpad to do this? 
>>> DO you have to turn trackpad commander off? I have tha majic trackpad no 
>>> buttons.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Ioana
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>>> stores.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Dear tim,
 
 It's amazing: it works! Just removed two items.
 Thank you.
 
 Andrew
 On 15 Aug 2012, at 16:37, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> It means that VO's Drag and Drop will not work on that kind of item.  To 
> remove things, I've just routed my mouse to the location by pressing 
> VO-cmd-f5 then using the Trackpad to press down and drag my finger to the 
> bottom of the Trackpad then letting go.  This effectively removes the 
> item from the Favourites bar.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-15, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Lamanche  
> wrote:
> 
>> I've been trying to customise my favourites bar in ML. I've succeeded in 
>> dragging and dropping one of my mailboxes there but when trying to 
>> remove "send" mailbox and one other mailbox which I had dragged into it 
>> previously under Lion, I've received the following error message: "Mac & 
>> Voiceover  is not draggable.  VoiceOver will not drag item that has 
>> press action.". Does anyone know what it means?
>> 
>> Thanks a lot.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Technically speaking, How Does Screen Curtain Actually Work?

[Garth Humphreys]

I always have my screen set to zero and have never had anyone say the camera is 
not working. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 16/08/2012, at 16:26, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

I'm not sure.  I don't think turning off the display would effect the camera 
though.  Just a guess on my part of course. Try it and see what happens.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Aug 16, 2012, at 2:07 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi
> If the brightness is set to zero, will the camera still work on a skype call? 
> I realise I wouldn't be able to see the other person, but I can't see anyway 
> so that doesn't matter. But I want them to be able to see mee, so wonder if 
> the camera still works when the brightness is set to zero.
> Lisette
> 
> On 16/08/2012, at 1:30 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is the same on IOS devices.  The backlight is still on.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> Not sure on devices but for laptops it just sets the pixels to black, so 
>>> the backlight is still running. If you want to save battery you need to use 
>>> F1 and turn the screen all the way down. All the way down turns the 
>>> backlight off. Likewise using F5 to turn the keyboard backlight all the way 
>>> down will also shut those lights off.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 8/15/12 11:18 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Ok, one of my notorious "just wondering" questions.
 
 I've heard many discussions about whether screen curtain saves battery 
 life in laptops and the smaller devices. I'm wondering if screen curtain 
 works by modifying information that's already been passed to the display, 
 or whether it bypasses the display altogether. If it's used on an Ipod, 
 for example, does it still use a lot of resources? Does anyone know how it 
 works, technically speaking?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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managing voiceover prefferences, suggestions pls

[William Windels]

Hello,
it seems that I have to do a re-install of 10.8 on my air because of some 
strange problems and also, with tame-machine, I have still some elements of 
10.5 on my machine.

To prepare this I was making a backup  of different things including my 
voiceover-preferences.
After testing the exported preferences by importing them, I have discovered 
that the adapted trackpad-commands where exported or imported badly so, I lost 
them.
I have also tried to copy the com.apple.voiceover*.* files out of 
Library/preferences in my home-folder and restarted voiceover but without 
success.

I have reported this also to accessibility since 10.7 but after 1 year and a 
major release later, it seems without success.
I am glad to hear of you of a solution to export/import the voiceover 
preferences completely.

Kind regards,
William Windels

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