Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process for DVD Creation of ML Install

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello all:
I will appreciate if somebody could help me. I am about to make a clean 
istalation of MT Lyon, but I am stock in the process of creating the bootable 
disk. When I extract the DMG file and I try to restore an SD card with that 
image, Disk utility doesn't live me do it. The restore button is deemed and I 
see that I can't select the destination disk. The origen, which is the DMG file 
is selected correctly, but not the destination.
May be it is a very sibmpe thing, but I don't want to install the OS on top of 
lyon.
Thanky ou for your help!

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El 25/07/2012, a las 20:18, Teresa Cochran escribió:

>   Oh, growl! Folks, I have a 3.43-gig image and a 3.37-gig DVD. Not good. 
> Just be aware of this if you're doing a clean install. I'm going to use an 
> 8-gig USB drive. Clever Apple. ...
> 
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Mood client for mac?

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello all:
I am searching for a mood client for mac, do you have any suggestions?
Thanks!

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Mountain Lion Mail

[Lisette Wesseling]

> Hi folks
> I'm afraid I got a bit confused with the flurry of emails on this subject.
> Has anybody found a way to get rid of those buttons between the mailboxes 
> table and  message table? I like to be able to tab from one table  to the 
> other, and not have to hop over "sort by date" , "hide mail activity button", 
> "mail action button" and   "New mailbox action button".
> Is there a way to get rid of these. I have put the sliders up to 100 per 
> cent. I'm not using classic view.
> Any ideas?
> I love the calendar in ML. The install was easy peasy and so far I am think 
> VO is snappier. I'm using Karen whose chip monk bug is still not fixed. 
> 
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Mountain Lion Questions.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

I have read quite a lot of positive things on this list re Mountain Lion. 

I have some questions of my own.

Is anyone using mountain Lion with a Euro braille? 

The second question is, is anyone using jaws 13 running the latest version of 
VMWARE?

Answers will determine if I buy the new Operating system.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Mail and mailboxes.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi.

The problem was that I could not expand my mail. The problem was that there are 
a new command I was not aware of. VoiceOver apostrof I do not know if it is an 
international command. Everything works again.

Best regards Annie.
Den Jul 26, 2012 kl. 1:22 AM skrev brianna Snyder :

> Hi, 
> 
> You may have to expand them. For example, mine showed inbox, but I had to 
> expand that for it to show me all my inboxes. 
> 
> Brianna 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Sorry if this has been asked, I can not find my mails at the moment, after I 
>> have installed mountain lion. I know that my mails is still there, I can 
>> search in them, but I can not see all my mailboxes. They are not as easy as 
>> usual to get shown. If you have any suggestions please let me know.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
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Re: Mountain Lion Questions.

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Kawal,

I don't use the EuroBraille, but I did look at the VoiceOver Getting Started 
Guide and skimmed the chapter on braille.  The EuroBraille was listed as a 
display that works with Mountain Lion.  If you'd like me to look further at 
specific models, I will be glad to do so.

Les
On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> I have read quite a lot of positive things on this list re Mountain Lion. 
> 
> I have some questions of my own.
> 
> Is anyone using mountain Lion with a Euro braille? 
> 
> The second question is, is anyone using jaws 13 running the latest version of 
> VMWARE?
> 
> Answers will determine if I buy the new Operating system.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Mountain Lion Is Awesome!

[Donna Goodin]

I was experiencing this, so rebooted my Mac.  So far, that seems to have solved 
the problem.
Best,
Donna
On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

> Hi Mike. I believe you have to create your own keystroke for notification 
> center. And while we're on the subject of keystrokes, I've noticed while in a 
> dialog, if you want to click on a button, you have to press VO+space twice 
> for some reason before Voiceover clicks it. Has anyone else experienced this?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my white Mac Book
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Making notification short cut

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi,
How are people making the notification short cut? I tried to do this using the 
voice over keyboard commander but notifications wasn't one of the apps you can 
choose there. 
Please can someone describe how they made a short cut to take you straight to 
the notification centre?
Thanks.

Lisette

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Re: Mountain Lion Questions.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Les.

I only have the Eurobraille and thanks for looking at this for me.  Appreciated.
On 26 Jul 2012, at 10:41 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I don't use the EuroBraille, but I did look at the VoiceOver Getting Started 
> Guide and skimmed the chapter on braille.  The EuroBraille was listed as a 
> display that works with Mountain Lion.  If you'd like me to look further at 
> specific models, I will be glad to do so.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> I have read quite a lot of positive things on this list re Mountain Lion. 
>> 
>> I have some questions of my own.
>> 
>> Is anyone using mountain Lion with a Euro braille? 
>> 
>> The second question is, is anyone using jaws 13 running the latest version 
>> of VMWARE?
>> 
>> Answers will determine if I buy the new Operating system.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Mountain Lion Questions.

[Les Kriegler]

Okay, I looked at the EuroBraille list, and it shows the 12, 24 and 40 cell 
models supported under USB and Bluetooth.

Les
On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Hi Les.
> 
> I only have the Eurobraille and thanks for looking at this for me.  
> Appreciated.
> On 26 Jul 2012, at 10:41 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I don't use the EuroBraille, but I did look at the VoiceOver Getting Started 
>> Guide and skimmed the chapter on braille.  The EuroBraille was listed as a 
>> display that works with Mountain Lion.  If you'd like me to look further at 
>> specific models, I will be glad to do so.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> I have read quite a lot of positive things on this list re Mountain Lion. 
>>> 
>>> I have some questions of my own.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone using mountain Lion with a Euro braille? 
>>> 
>>> The second question is, is anyone using jaws 13 running the latest version 
>>> of VMWARE?
>>> 
>>> Answers will determine if I buy the new Operating system.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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RE: Mountain Lion Is Awesome!

[Missy Hoppe]

Ah. Thanks for this. I didn't look under mission control. This should be simple 
now. One final question, and then I think
I'll be all set, at least for the time being. How do I need to configure things 
so that VO will read notifications
automatically. I set up the twitter integration without any trouble, but 
mostly, I want dropbox notifications to be read
again.

  _  

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:29 AM
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Subject: Re: Mountain Lion Is Awesome!


OK, here's what you do.
 
So, you said you got to keyboard, so I'll just start yoou at that point.
 
So, once you're in here, go to the shortcuts tab.
 
OK, in here you're gonna see two tables.  The first one is a category table.  
So what you need to do in this example is to
interact with that table, and then go down to mission control.
 
OK, once there, you can quit interacting with the table.  Now move over to the 
right, and you'll see the second table.
Interact with this table, then vo+down arrow until you get to the one for 
notification center.  It's probably gonna say none.
 
OK, so now interact again a second time with that row in the table.  This way, 
we can vo+left and right arrow collumn by
collumn on that item.
 
Now, go all the way to the left, and you should see a cfheck box which isn't 
checked.  Vo+space on it to check it, and as
soon as it does, notice that you land in an edit text field.  Now, be really 
careful here!  Simply push the keystroke you
globally want to use.  For me, I did command+option+shift+N.
 
You do what you wanna do, just be sure in no apps that you know of, it's gonna 
conflict.
 
Once pressed, hit vo+right arrow once to move away from the field, then vo+left 
arrow to read and confirm.  NOw vo+right
arrow again to be sure you're off the field and that the next keystroke won't 
be taken as the command you want to use.  Then
hit command+W to close the prefs window.  Either that or hit command+L, to 
return to your prefs screen if you need to change
other preferences aside from within the keyboard.
 
HTH.
 
Chris.
 

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RE: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process for DVD Creation of ML Install

[Kliphton]

You have to either burn it to a DVD, or save it on a USB drive.  That is what 
was stated in the direction I found on Google.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Daniela Rubio
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process for 
DVD Creation of ML Install

 

Hello all:

I will appreciate if somebody could help me. I am about to make a clean 
istalation of MT Lyon, but I am stock in the process of creating the bootable 
disk. When I extract the DMG file and I try to restore an SD card with that 
image, Disk utility doesn't live me do it. The restore button is deemed and I 
see that I can't select the destination disk. The origen, which is the DMG file 
is selected correctly, but not the destination.

May be it is a very sibmpe thing, but I don't want to install the OS on top of 
lyon.

Thanky ou for your help!

 

Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo

 

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El 25/07/2012, a las 20:18, Teresa Cochran escribió:





Oh, growl! Folks, I have a 3.43-gig image and a 3.37-gig DVD. Not 
good. Just be aware of this if you're doing a clean install. I'm going to use 
an 8-gig USB drive. Clever Apple. ...

Teresa

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Re: Mountain Lion Questions.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Excellent.

Just need to know if Jaws 13 will work under the latest VMWARE?

On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:02 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Okay, I looked at the EuroBraille list, and it shows the 12, 24 and 40 cell 
> models supported under USB and Bluetooth.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Les.
>> 
>> I only have the Eurobraille and thanks for looking at this for me.  
>> Appreciated.
>> On 26 Jul 2012, at 10:41 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> 
>>> I don't use the EuroBraille, but I did look at the VoiceOver Getting 
>>> Started Guide and skimmed the chapter on braille.  The EuroBraille was 
>>> listed as a display that works with Mountain Lion.  If you'd like me to 
>>> look further at specific models, I will be glad to do so.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello.
 
 I have read quite a lot of positive things on this list re Mountain Lion. 
 
 I have some questions of my own.
 
 Is anyone using mountain Lion with a Euro braille? 
 
 The second question is, is anyone using jaws 13 running the latest version 
 of VMWARE?
 
 Answers will determine if I buy the new Operating system.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Mountain Lion Questions.

[Kliphton]

I'm using it right now.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Excellent.

Just need to know if Jaws 13 will work under the latest VMWARE?

On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:02 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Okay, I looked at the EuroBraille list, and it shows the 12, 24 and 40
cell models supported under USB and Bluetooth.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Les.
>> 
>> I only have the Eurobraille and thanks for looking at this for me.
Appreciated.
>> On 26 Jul 2012, at 10:41 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> 
>>> I don't use the EuroBraille, but I did look at the VoiceOver Getting
Started Guide and skimmed the chapter on braille.  The EuroBraille was
listed as a display that works with Mountain Lion.  If you'd like me to look
further at specific models, I will be glad to do so.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello.
 
 I have read quite a lot of positive things on this list re Mountain
Lion. 
 
 I have some questions of my own.
 
 Is anyone using mountain Lion with a Euro braille? 
 
 The second question is, is anyone using jaws 13 running the latest
version of VMWARE?
 
 Answers will determine if I buy the new Operating system.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Mountain Lion Questions.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Great.

Is it OK to install over the top of Lion? As my Vmware is working well and if I 
did install windows 7 I'd have problems activating it as my version has been 
installed too many times and it was a retail box which I bought from the US in 
2010.

Kawal.

On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:21 AM, Kliphton  wrote:

> I'm using it right now.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mountain Lion Questions.
> 
> Excellent.
> 
> Just need to know if Jaws 13 will work under the latest VMWARE?
> 
> On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:02 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Okay, I looked at the EuroBraille list, and it shows the 12, 24 and 40
> cell models supported under USB and Bluetooth.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Les.
>>> 
>>> I only have the Eurobraille and thanks for looking at this for me.
> Appreciated.
>>> On 26 Jul 2012, at 10:41 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 I don't use the EuroBraille, but I did look at the VoiceOver Getting
> Started Guide and skimmed the chapter on braille.  The EuroBraille was
> listed as a display that works with Mountain Lion.  If you'd like me to look
> further at specific models, I will be glad to do so.
 
 Les
 On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> Hello.
> 
> I have read quite a lot of positive things on this list re Mountain
> Lion. 
> 
> I have some questions of my own.
> 
> Is anyone using mountain Lion with a Euro braille? 
> 
> The second question is, is anyone using jaws 13 running the latest
> version of VMWARE?
> 
> Answers will determine if I buy the new Operating system.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Kawal.
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RE: Making notification short cut

[Missy Hoppe]

I've made the shortcut now, and it works great. You have to go to keyboard in 
system settings. Then go to shortcuts and
mission control. Then, look for notifications center. Actually, Chris explained 
this way, way better than I'm managing to, so
if you can find his post, you won't have any trouble with this at all. Good 
luck!
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Subject: Making notification short cut

Hi,
How are people making the notification short cut? I tried to do this using the 
voice over keyboard commander but
notifications wasn't one of the apps you can choose there.
Please can someone describe how they made a short cut to take you straight to 
the notification centre?
Thanks.

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Re: Mountain Lion is going to be released today, the 25th

[Alex Hall]

Thanks, this makes me feel much better about updating. I'll do it Friday, now 
that I can be almost certain of a positive outcome.
On 26 Jul 2012, at 00:14, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Same here. Before I actually installed Mountain Lion, I called Apple, and 
> they told me that there probably wouldn't be any
> issues. Sure enough, bootcamp started up just fine, and even my jaws 
> authorization was still in tact. The only weirdness was
> that it claimed I had no internet connection, but when I ran my mud client 
> and internet explorer, both seemed to work
> normally. So, I don't know why the system tray was lying to me, or if there 
> really is some kind of problem, but whatever is
> happening, assuming anything is, it's so minor that I'm not inclined to worry 
> about it. I'm just thrilled that windows
> started as expected and that jaws was still functional.
> Thanks for your response, though. It is extremely appreciated.
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristyn Leigh
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mountain Lion is going to be released today, the 25th
> 
> I can still boot into Windows 7 on my Mac after installing Mountain Lion. 
> Boot Camp updated from version 4 to 5. I have not
> run Windows programs to do a thorough check for problems, but no major 
> disasters so far.
> 
> Kristyn
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 3:33 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
> 
>> I've been counting down to this. Can't decide if I am going to buy it
>> right away or not. My biggest concern is whether or not Mountain Lion
>> would affect my Bootcamp partitian. If it isn't going to break
>> anything on that end, I'm ready to take the plunge and get it right
>> away. I still have my little 80 GB external drive that runs SL; can't afford 
>> another drive to back up my current Lion
> install, and am hesitant to get rid of my SL drive to back up my current 
> settings. There are still a few things I use SL for,
> most noteably add text to spoken track; I was never able to get that working 
> as expected under Lion.
>> Anyway, if anyone knows whether updating will have any effect on
>> bootcamp, I would really appreciate it. I'm actually quite excited about 
>> this update, so I hope I can get it.
>> Missy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Søren Jensen
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:30 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Mountain Lion is going to be released today, the 25th
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> This is not a rumour. Just saw this on Twitter from Macrumours.
>> So, get ready for a big big mail storm. :) Have an awesome day.
>> Best regards:
>> Søren Jensen
>> Mail & MSN:
>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>> Website:
>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
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Notification center/growl questions

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi! I was just wondering if there's any way to configure notification center to 
use the system voice? Sometimes, if I'm
reading something else, notifications aren't read, so if it's possible to 
configure it to use the system voice, that would be
helpful. Also, has anyone tried this little program called Hiss? It supposedly 
bridges the gap between growl and notification
center, but so far, I haven't been impressed with its performance, especially 
since it doesn't honor growl settings with
regard to system voice being used. Is there going to be a growl update soon 
that will resolve all of these minor issues?
Also, I've noticed, especially if notification center is telling me about a dm 
or mention I received on twitter, that it
doesn't read the whole thing. Is that fixible, or would I have to go to 
notification center to see the whole thing? What
notification center settings are ideal for using with VO? I don't have an I 
Device, so all of this is extremely new to me.
There's so much to learn, but on the whole, I'd have to say that I'm about 95 
percent happy with Mountain Lion. Thanks in
advance for any suggestions you may have, and I hope that everyone is having a 
great day!
Missy

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Subject: Making notification short cut

Hi,
How are people making the notification short cut? I tried to do this using the 
voice over keyboard commander but
notifications wasn't one of the apps you can choose there.
Please can someone describe how they made a short cut to take you straight to 
the notification centre?
Thanks.

Lisette

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Re: synth that makes vo snappier?

[Alex Hall]

I use it at 58%; any faster and it is less comfortable to listen to. I max out 
espeak on windows, though.
On 25 Jul 2012, at 22:56, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Alex,
> 
> That's really really weird.  I've never experienced any sluggishness.  What 
> percent to you run the speech rate at?
> 
> I don't generally run it quite this fast, but I can, if needed understand it 
> up to 85% with Alex, pitch 50, intonation 50, volume 100, and it's not very 
> sluggish, at least not for me anyways.  Macbook stocked white 13 inch mid 
> 2010.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" 
> To: "macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:13 PM
> Subject: synth that makes vo snappier?
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I don't know if this has changed in Mountain Lion, but in Lion vo is
>> usually a bit sluggish. It's useable, but it isn't as responsive as a
>> Windows screen reader, and I can't help wondering if part of the
>> problem is Alex. He sounds great, but are there other voices, whether
>> the ones you cna download under speech preferences or third-party
>> ones, that make vo respond better? Ideally, a lightweight synth like
>> ESpeak would be wonderful (I know, most people hate ESpeak). I'm not a
>> fan of any other mac voices, though I haven't yet tried the Nuance
>> ones you can download. Any thoughts? Did 10.8 improve things at all in
>> this regard? I'm using a mini with 2gb ram, but I have seen the same
>> thing on an Air with 4gb ram and even a 2011 Pro.
>> 
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RE: Mountain Lion Questions.

[Kliphton]

I can't say yes or no, but I did an upgrade, not a clean install.  And mine
is working without any issues.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mountain Lion Questions.

Great.

Is it OK to install over the top of Lion? As my Vmware is working well and
if I did install windows 7 I'd have problems activating it as my version has
been installed too many times and it was a retail box which I bought from
the US in 2010.

Kawal.

On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:21 AM, Kliphton  wrote:

> I'm using it right now.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mountain Lion Questions.
> 
> Excellent.
> 
> Just need to know if Jaws 13 will work under the latest VMWARE?
> 
> On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:02 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Okay, I looked at the EuroBraille list, and it shows the 12, 24 and 
>> 40
> cell models supported under USB and Bluetooth.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Les.
>>> 
>>> I only have the Eurobraille and thanks for looking at this for me.
> Appreciated.
>>> On 26 Jul 2012, at 10:41 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 I don't use the EuroBraille, but I did look at the VoiceOver 
 Getting
> Started Guide and skimmed the chapter on braille.  The EuroBraille was 
> listed as a display that works with Mountain Lion.  If you'd like me 
> to look further at specific models, I will be glad to do so.
 
 Les
 On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> Hello.
> 
> I have read quite a lot of positive things on this list re 
> Mountain
> Lion. 
> 
> I have some questions of my own.
> 
> Is anyone using mountain Lion with a Euro braille? 
> 
> The second question is, is anyone using jaws 13 running the latest
> version of VMWARE?
> 
> Answers will determine if I buy the new Operating system.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Mountain Lion Questions.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks that is great to know.

On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:50 AM, Kliphton  wrote:

> I can't say yes or no, but I did an upgrade, not a clean install.  And mine
> is working without any issues.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mountain Lion Questions.
> 
> Great.
> 
> Is it OK to install over the top of Lion? As my Vmware is working well and
> if I did install windows 7 I'd have problems activating it as my version has
> been installed too many times and it was a retail box which I bought from
> the US in 2010.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:21 AM, Kliphton  wrote:
> 
>> I'm using it right now.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mountain Lion Questions.
>> 
>> Excellent.
>> 
>> Just need to know if Jaws 13 will work under the latest VMWARE?
>> 
>> On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:02 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, I looked at the EuroBraille list, and it shows the 12, 24 and 
>>> 40
>> cell models supported under USB and Bluetooth.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Les.
 
 I only have the Eurobraille and thanks for looking at this for me.
>> Appreciated.
 On 26 Jul 2012, at 10:41 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I don't use the EuroBraille, but I did look at the VoiceOver 
> Getting
>> Started Guide and skimmed the chapter on braille.  The EuroBraille was 
>> listed as a display that works with Mountain Lion.  If you'd like me 
>> to look further at specific models, I will be glad to do so.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> I have read quite a lot of positive things on this list re 
>> Mountain
>> Lion. 
>> 
>> I have some questions of my own.
>> 
>> Is anyone using mountain Lion with a Euro braille? 
>> 
>> The second question is, is anyone using jaws 13 running the latest
>> version of VMWARE?
>> 
>> Answers will determine if I buy the new Operating system.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process for DVD Creation of ML Install

[Daniela Rubio]

OK, I have a USB now. But the thing is that the problem still the same, I can't 
make it the destination folder to restore. This is, how, speaking of vo do you 
make the process?
I tell you what I do, and please, let me know where I am wrong.
1. I open Disk utility and , I select, on the disk list, my destination disk, 
in this case, the partition in my USB named MTlyon.

2. Then I go to the image button to find the origen DMG from where I want to 
restore. The regular open dialog will appear, and there, I select the 
installation DMG. After I do this, I find the name of that DMG on an edit field 
of origen.
3. For the destination, I don't know what to do, because I go to destination 
field, but there I have not any edit field or something where I can select the 
disk, even though it keeps on selected on the first list.
I tried clicking with mouse keys, with vo, and I don't know what else, but the 
destination field has no name and the restore bottom is deemed.
I am sure I am doing something wrong.
Thank you for helping. I don't use DVD because this is a macbook air.
Thanks!

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El 26/07/2012, a las 12:17, Kliphton escribió:

> You have to either burn it to a DVD, or save it on a USB drive.  That is what 
> was stated in the direction I found on Google.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniela Rubio
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process 
> for DVD Creation of ML Install
>  
> Hello all:
> I will appreciate if somebody could help me. I am about to make a clean 
> istalation of MT Lyon, but I am stock in the process of creating the bootable 
> disk. When I extract the DMG file and I try to restore an SD card with that 
> image, Disk utility doesn't live me do it. The restore button is deemed and I 
> see that I can't select the destination disk. The origen, which is the DMG 
> file is selected correctly, but not the destination.
> May be it is a very sibmpe thing, but I don't want to install the OS on top 
> of lyon.
> Thanky ou for your help!
>  
> Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
>  
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>  
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>  
>  
>  
>  
> El 25/07/2012, a las 20:18, Teresa Cochran escribió:
> 
> 
> Oh, growl! Folks, I have a 3.43-gig image and a 3.37-gig DVD. Not 
> good. Just be aware of this if you're doing a clean install. I'm going to use 
> an 8-gig USB drive. Clever Apple. ...
> 
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Re: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process for DVD Creation of ML Install

[Rachel Feinberg]

Try the app Lion diskmaker. I believe it automates the process for you instead 
of you having to go through disc utility to do it yourself.

On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:16 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> OK, I have a USB now. But the thing is that the problem still the same, I 
> can't make it the destination folder to restore. This is, how, speaking of vo 
> do you make the process?
> I tell you what I do, and please, let me know where I am wrong.
> 1. I open Disk utility and , I select, on the disk list, my destination disk, 
> in this case, the partition in my USB named MTlyon.
> 
> 2. Then I go to the image button to find the origen DMG from where I want to 
> restore. The regular open dialog will appear, and there, I select the 
> installation DMG. After I do this, I find the name of that DMG on an edit 
> field of origen.
> 3. For the destination, I don't know what to do, because I go to destination 
> field, but there I have not any edit field or something where I can select 
> the disk, even though it keeps on selected on the first list.
> I tried clicking with mouse keys, with vo, and I don't know what else, but 
> the destination field has no name and the restore bottom is deemed.
> I am sure I am doing something wrong.
> Thank you for helping. I don't use DVD because this is a macbook air.
> Thanks!
> 
> Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
> 
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> 
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> 
> www.macneticos.org
> 
> En Podcast :
> http://macneticos.libsyn.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El 26/07/2012, a las 12:17, Kliphton escribió:
> 
>> You have to either burn it to a DVD, or save it on a USB drive.  That is 
>> what was stated in the direction I found on Google.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniela Rubio
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process 
>> for DVD Creation of ML Install
>>  
>> Hello all:
>> I will appreciate if somebody could help me. I am about to make a clean 
>> istalation of MT Lyon, but I am stock in the process of creating the 
>> bootable disk. When I extract the DMG file and I try to restore an SD card 
>> with that image, Disk utility doesn't live me do it. The restore button is 
>> deemed and I see that I can't select the destination disk. The origen, which 
>> is the DMG file is selected correctly, but not the destination.
>> May be it is a very sibmpe thing, but I don't want to install the OS on top 
>> of lyon.
>> Thanky ou for your help!
>>  
>> Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
>>  
>> Macneticos, Apple y Accesibilidad a tu alcance.
>>  Distinguished Educator
>>  
>>  En Twitter: @macneticos
>>  Nuestro Blog:
>>  
>> www.macneticos.org
>>  
>> En Podcast :
>> http://macneticos.libsyn.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> El 25/07/2012, a las 20:18, Teresa Cochran escribió:
>> 
>> 
>> Oh, growl! Folks, I have a 3.43-gig image and a 3.37-gig DVD. 
>> Not good. Just be aware of this if you're doing a clean install. I'm going 
>> to use an 8-gig USB drive. Clever Apple. ...
>> 
>> Teresa
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Re: Notification center/growl questions

[Rachel Feinberg]

Hey Missy,

The only question I'm able to answer is the one about notifications not being 
fully read out, since i had the same wondering. I've been told that it doesn't 
physically display the entire notification, so VO reads whatever it sees. Even 
going into notification center, the whole message can't be expanded.
Rachel
On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:45 AM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:

> Hi! I was just wondering if there's any way to configure notification center 
> to use the system voice? Sometimes, if I'm
> reading something else, notifications aren't read, so if it's possible to 
> configure it to use the system voice, that would be
> helpful. Also, has anyone tried this little program called Hiss? It 
> supposedly bridges the gap between growl and notification
> center, but so far, I haven't been impressed with its performance, especially 
> since it doesn't honor growl settings with
> regard to system voice being used. Is there going to be a growl update soon 
> that will resolve all of these minor issues?
> Also, I've noticed, especially if notification center is telling me about a 
> dm or mention I received on twitter, that it
> doesn't read the whole thing. Is that fixible, or would I have to go to 
> notification center to see the whole thing? What
> notification center settings are ideal for using with VO? I don't have an I 
> Device, so all of this is extremely new to me.
> There's so much to learn, but on the whole, I'd have to say that I'm about 95 
> percent happy with Mountain Lion. Thanks in
> advance for any suggestions you may have, and I hope that everyone is having 
> a great day!
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisette Wesseling
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Making notification short cut
> 
> Hi,
> How are people making the notification short cut? I tried to do this using 
> the voice over keyboard commander but
> notifications wasn't one of the apps you can choose there.
> Please can someone describe how they made a short cut to take you straight to 
> the notification centre?
> Thanks.
> 
> Lisette
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Re: Making notification short cut

[Rachel Feinberg]

Go to system preferences, keyboard, and the  keyboard shortcuts tab.
In the shortcuts categories table, choose mission control.
Then vo right arrow to the applications table and choose "show notification 
center." Make sure the box is checked, and you have an edit box to type in 
whatever shortcut you want. I personally use control+command+N.
Rachel
On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:41 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi,
> How are people making the notification short cut? I tried to do this using 
> the voice over keyboard commander but notifications wasn't one of the apps 
> you can choose there. 
> Please can someone describe how they made a short cut to take you straight to 
> the notification centre?
> Thanks.
> 
> Lisette
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RE: Making notification short cut

[Missy Hoppe]

Great minds think alike! I use ctrl, command N too. It works very well.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Rachel Feinberg
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making notification short cut

Go to system preferences, keyboard, and the  keyboard shortcuts tab.
In the shortcuts categories table, choose mission control.
Then vo right arrow to the applications table and choose "show notification 
center." Make sure the box is checked, and you
have an edit box to type in whatever shortcut you want. I personally use 
control+command+N.
Rachel
On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:41 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi,
> How are people making the notification short cut? I tried to do this using 
> the voice over keyboard commander but
notifications wasn't one of the apps you can choose there.
> Please can someone describe how they made a short cut to take you straight to 
> the notification centre?
> Thanks.
>
> Lisette
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Re: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process for DVD Creation of ML Install

[Daniela Rubio]

Thank you!
I don't have this app, and it is alms the same of what I payed for ML. There 
most be a way in which to tell vo to bring the destination folder to its place!
Cheers!

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El 26/07/2012, a las 13:31, Rachel Feinberg escribió:

> Try the app Lion diskmaker. I believe it automates the process for you 
> instead of you having to go through disc utility to do it yourself.
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:16 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
>> OK, I have a USB now. But the thing is that the problem still the same, I 
>> can't make it the destination folder to restore. This is, how, speaking of 
>> vo do you make the process?
>> I tell you what I do, and please, let me know where I am wrong.
>> 1. I open Disk utility and , I select, on the disk list, my destination 
>> disk, in this case, the partition in my USB named MTlyon.
>> 
>> 2. Then I go to the image button to find the origen DMG from where I want to 
>> restore. The regular open dialog will appear, and there, I select the 
>> installation DMG. After I do this, I find the name of that DMG on an edit 
>> field of origen.
>> 3. For the destination, I don't know what to do, because I go to destination 
>> field, but there I have not any edit field or something where I can select 
>> the disk, even though it keeps on selected on the first list.
>> I tried clicking with mouse keys, with vo, and I don't know what else, but 
>> the destination field has no name and the restore bottom is deemed.
>> I am sure I am doing something wrong.
>> Thank you for helping. I don't use DVD because this is a macbook air.
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
>> 
>> Macneticos, Apple y Accesibilidad a tu alcance.
>>  Distinguished Educator
>> 
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>>  Nuestro Blog:
>> 
>> www.macneticos.org
>> 
>> En Podcast :
>> http://macneticos.libsyn.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El 26/07/2012, a las 12:17, Kliphton escribió:
>> 
>>> You have to either burn it to a DVD, or save it on a USB drive.  That is 
>>> what was stated in the direction I found on Google.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniela Rubio
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:07 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process 
>>> for DVD Creation of ML Install
>>>  
>>> Hello all:
>>> I will appreciate if somebody could help me. I am about to make a clean 
>>> istalation of MT Lyon, but I am stock in the process of creating the 
>>> bootable disk. When I extract the DMG file and I try to restore an SD card 
>>> with that image, Disk utility doesn't live me do it. The restore button is 
>>> deemed and I see that I can't select the destination disk. The origen, 
>>> which is the DMG file is selected correctly, but not the destination.
>>> May be it is a very sibmpe thing, but I don't want to install the OS on top 
>>> of lyon.
>>> Thanky ou for your help!
>>>  
>>> Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
>>>  
>>> Macneticos, Apple y Accesibilidad a tu alcance.
>>>  Distinguished Educator
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>>>  
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>>>  
>>> En Podcast :
>>> http://macneticos.libsyn.com
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> El 25/07/2012, a las 20:18, Teresa Cochran escribió:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Oh, growl! Folks, I have a 3.43-gig image and a 3.37-gig DVD. 
>>> Not good. Just be aware of this if you're doing a clean install. I'm going 
>>> to use an 8-gig USB drive. Clever Apple. ...
>>> 
>>> Teresa
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Re: Bug when expanding mail messages

[Steve Holmes]

I can't stand the preview pane here because that causes Mail to mark every 
message as read as you arrow up and down the list of messages.  It has always 
behaved this way.
  At least this has been since Lion for sure.

On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:53 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> How do you close the preview pane?  That could be an interesting way to go 
> about it, but I also rather like seeing a preview of the message before I 
> read it.
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> When I use Mail, I have the preview pane completely closed so for me to open 
>> messages individually or a whole thread, I use Command-O to open a new 
>> window and Command-W to close and return me to the message list.  I did this 
>> in Lion and I still do it in Mountain Lion.
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
>> 
>>> I just noticed that when expanding mail messages with VO-space bar, 
>>> sometimes the focus is in the wrong place, apparently, and it opens up the 
>>> "sort by menu" where you are able to sort by attachments, date, from, etc.  
>>> So far, my only complaint is that they took the expand mail messages 
>>> keystroke away for VoiceOver; I find this new one to be a bit awkward.
>>> 
>>> Other than that, it's really pretty nice.
>>> 
>>> Harry
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tab key in ML?

[Kliphton]

> Has anyone experienced the tab key only have working in mail?  It works going 
> from the message list, to the body of the message you want to read, but does 
> not work going from the mailbox list, to the message list.  Or am I missing 
> someing?

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Re: Braille Support Broken in Mountain Lion!

[Steve Holmes]

I'll get out my USB cable for the Refreshabraille to see if that makes any 
difference.  I just know the bluetooth seems broken here.  I also plan to call 
Apple today on it to see if any issue can be raised or if the pairing procedure 
might have changed some how.  It just disturbed me greatly when I heard stuff 
about being unable to load or find a driver for the device.

On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:34 PM, Johanna Herranen 
 wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I'm successfully using Baum VarioConnect 32 here with Mountain Lion. It's 
> connected via USB, but I could try Bluetooth too - out of curiosity. Speaking 
> of Braille suppor though, I wish one day they would fix all the issues with 
> International braille tables. 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> OK, but wait a minute.
>> 
>> Can we be absolutely sure it's indeed braille display support in a whole 
>> that is messed up?  Sounds like you're using a bluetooth display.  Could it 
>> be that the issue only lies with BT displays, and not with regular connected 
>> u s b's?
>> 
>> I'll have my best friend tonight, if I get ahold of him try it with his PM 
>> 40 display.  It's not from the Omni, mind you, it's just the original 
>> display, but I know for a definite it worked in Lion, as he just left here 
>> from out of town about two days ago, and had the thing with him down here, 
>> and it was working great on LIon at that time, so who knows about M L 
>> though.  I hope it works, as if not, that'll be a deal breaker for him, 
>> seeing that he's an interpretor/translator.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Steve Holmes" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:06 AM
>> Subject: Braille Support Broken in Mountain Lion!
>> 
>> 
>> I just tried to use my RefreshaBraille 18 display this evening and it 
>> doesn't work here anymore.  First off, I had previously defined it under 
>> Lion and successfully used it several times.  Tonight after the ML install, 
>> it would never connect.  So then I removed the device from the bluetooth 
>> list in the Braille device section of VO.  Then when I tried to pair it back 
>> up, I kept getting an error that VO couldn't load a device driver for this 
>> device.  Has anyone else had success getting any braille displays to work 
>> under Mountain Lion?
>> 
>> I will probably give Apple a call about this.  I sure hope they didn't break 
>> support like they did with the Hims devices on IOS.  BTW, I never got 
>> prompted to enter any pairing codes and I usually do when hooking up the 
>> Refreshabraille display.
>> 
>> Any ideas here?
>> 
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Re: Mountain Lion Mail

[Steve Holmes]

Dunno about getting rid of unwanted controls but what I do in the modern view 
to hop between the mail box list and the list of messages is press VO-J; it 
toggles me back and forth cleanly between these two lists.  I have the preview 
pane closed down completely so VO-J won't pop me in there.

On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:49 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

>> Hi folks
>> I'm afraid I got a bit confused with the flurry of emails on this subject.
>> Has anybody found a way to get rid of those buttons between the mailboxes 
>> table and  message table? I like to be able to tab from one table  to the 
>> other, and not have to hop over "sort by date" , "hide mail activity 
>> button", "mail action button" and   "New mailbox action button".
>> Is there a way to get rid of these. I have put the sliders up to 100 per 
>> cent. I'm not using classic view.
>> Any ideas?
>> I love the calendar in ML. The install was easy peasy and so far I am think 
>> VO is snappier. I'm using Karen whose chip monk bug is still not fixed. 
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
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NUANCE IS FASTER...

[Alex Hall]

HI ALL,
I SWITCHED TO TOM, AND IT IS MUCH MORE RESPONSIVE. I DON'T HAVE A MONITOR HERE 
RIGHT NOW, THOUGH ALEX IS SLUGGISH EVEN WITH ONE, BUT SPEECH RESPONDS MUCH 
FASTER DESPITE THE LACK OF A SCREEN. THANKS FOR THE TIP!


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sorry for the all caps message

[Alex Hall]

Hi again all,
Sorry for that last message. I didn't know my caps lock was on, and I couldn't 
figure out what the metalic pinging sound was. Apparently, the sound was trying 
to tell me my caps lock was on and I didn't realize it.


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using voice with different accent and 10.8 dictation?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I just thought of something. In Mountain Lion, if I use a British or Australian 
voice (I'm American), will that affect dictation like it does on the iPhone 
with Siri? I'm a fan of Karen and Lee, but will I be able to use dictation if I 
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boot camp

[Hayri Tulumcu]

how can i download the boot cam program manual? whith out mountain lion?

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Re: Braille Support Broken in Mountain Lion!

[Steve Holmes]

OK, I just hooked up my Refreshabraille via the USB cable and that seems to be 
working.  So I have issues pairing the bluetooth side of things with this 
braille display.  Makes me wonder if other bluetooth displays are experiencing 
any similar problems.

On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> I'll get out my USB cable for the Refreshabraille to see if that makes any 
> difference.  I just know the bluetooth seems broken here.  I also plan to 
> call Apple today on it to see if any issue can be raised or if the pairing 
> procedure might have changed some how.  It just disturbed me greatly when I 
> heard stuff about being unable to load or find a driver for the device.
> 
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:34 PM, Johanna Herranen 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I'm successfully using Baum VarioConnect 32 here with Mountain Lion. It's 
>> connected via USB, but I could try Bluetooth too - out of curiosity. 
>> Speaking of Braille suppor though, I wish one day they would fix all the 
>> issues with International braille tables. 
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, but wait a minute.
>>> 
>>> Can we be absolutely sure it's indeed braille display support in a whole 
>>> that is messed up?  Sounds like you're using a bluetooth display.  Could it 
>>> be that the issue only lies with BT displays, and not with regular 
>>> connected u s b's?
>>> 
>>> I'll have my best friend tonight, if I get ahold of him try it with his PM 
>>> 40 display.  It's not from the Omni, mind you, it's just the original 
>>> display, but I know for a definite it worked in Lion, as he just left here 
>>> from out of town about two days ago, and had the thing with him down here, 
>>> and it was working great on LIon at that time, so who knows about M L 
>>> though.  I hope it works, as if not, that'll be a deal breaker for him, 
>>> seeing that he's an interpretor/translator.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Steve Holmes" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:06 AM
>>> Subject: Braille Support Broken in Mountain Lion!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I just tried to use my RefreshaBraille 18 display this evening and it 
>>> doesn't work here anymore.  First off, I had previously defined it under 
>>> Lion and successfully used it several times.  Tonight after the ML install, 
>>> it would never connect.  So then I removed the device from the bluetooth 
>>> list in the Braille device section of VO.  Then when I tried to pair it 
>>> back up, I kept getting an error that VO couldn't load a device driver for 
>>> this device.  Has anyone else had success getting any braille displays to 
>>> work under Mountain Lion?
>>> 
>>> I will probably give Apple a call about this.  I sure hope they didn't 
>>> break support like they did with the Hims devices on IOS.  BTW, I never got 
>>> prompted to enter any pairing codes and I usually do when hooking up the 
>>> Refreshabraille display.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas here?
>>> 
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Re: using voice with different accent and 10.8 dictation?

[Henry D. Hollithron]

Good Day: 

I have a british voice on my Mac. When I turned on dictation, there was 
a popup menu with the different languages and accents which were available for 
that service. It was set to British English, but I had no difficulty in 
changing it to American English.

HTH:
Henry
On 26 Jul 2012, at 08:37, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just thought of something. In Mountain Lion, if I use a British or 
> Australian voice (I'm American), will that affect dictation like it does on 
> the iPhone with Siri? I'm a fan of Karen and Lee, but will I be able to use 
> dictation if I tell VO to use one of those voices?
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
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Re: using voice with different accent and 10.8 dictation?

[Alex Hall]

Thanks, that's good to know. I hoped I could keep an accented voice
and still use dictation, and it looks like I can from what you said.

On 7/26/12, Henry D. Hollithron  wrote:
> Good Day:
>
>   I have a british voice on my Mac. When I turned on dictation, there was 
> a
> popup menu with the different languages and accents which were available for
> that service. It was set to British English, but I had no difficulty in
> changing it to American English.
>
> HTH:
> Henry
> On 26 Jul 2012, at 08:37, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I just thought of something. In Mountain Lion, if I use a British or
>> Australian voice (I'm American), will that affect dictation like it does
>> on the iPhone with Siri? I'm a fan of Karen and Lee, but will I be able to
>> use dictation if I tell VO to use one of those voices?
>>
>>
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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>>
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Re: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in

[erik burggraaf]

Essentially what happened in the upgrade from SL to Lion was that the bootcamp 
utility, along with all windows drivers and software were upgraded.

According to windows 7, the upgraded machine became a brand new machine which 
was not authorized to run that instillation of windows.

Now, the obvious answer to this is, revalidate.  Do this and all is well.  If 
you are self-motivated and organized and you take 5 minutes to do this right 
away, and microsoft counts your keys properly, you are golden.

None of this applied to my client.  Close now if you don't want shock value.  
Read on if you enjoy being appalled and horrified.

The client called me out 25 days post upgrade and then hunted for his windows 
cd for an hour while my metre ran.  unfortunately it seems he threw it out by 
mistake.  He then called me out 35 days post upgrade and I was able to retrieve 
his key from the pooched up windows partition.  Of course it was too late to 
activate.  I called microsoft to see if I could get activated.  They miscounted 
his keys and refused to activate, saying he had the instalation on too many 
machines.  Nonsense, it was only ever installed once.  So after numerous 
support calls, several mysterious disconnects, 4 or 5 non-english speaking and 
completely careless support staff, I finally convinced some one to reset his 
key.  I was then able to activate his windows.  I then created him a terabyte 
image backup of his windows installation to replace the disk he threw out.  The 
cash register rang often that week, but what a pain in the arse.

Best,

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On 2012-07-25, at 4:46 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> OK. Now I'm really confused. You're saying that installing ML is going to 
> mess up bootcamp? I might just copy the ML install file to a USB drive for 
> now until I can get a bit more clerification. What kinds of problems were 
> caused by the upgrade?
> Missy
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in
> 
> No, that's ligit.  Bootcamp is still a product of and intergrated with mac 
> OS.  Upgrading from snow leopard to lion wrecked bootcamp and windows, to my 
> client's detriment.  I got to bill a bunch of hours out of it, which I 
> would'a ratherred leave on the table.  It was a mess.
> 
> Best,
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> 
> On 2012-07-25, at 3:05 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
> 
>> Bootcamp is on a whole seperet partition, so I really doubt it.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:42 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does this affect Bootcamp as well? I don't use VM, but am slightly nervous 
>>> that something might happen to bootcamp.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Caron
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:28 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in
>>> 
>>> Hi listers,
>>> 
>>> Anyone who has upgraded to Mountain Lyon and who had a VM Fusion 
>>> installation, please let us know if the machine is
>>> still working nicely under Mountain Lyon.  I'm especially interested in 
>>> those with a JAWS VM as I had authorization problems
>>> in the past.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any reports.
>>> Eric Caron
>>> 
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RE: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in

[Missy Hoppe]

Wow! What a mess. I'm feeling very lucky now. Boot camp seems to have survived 
without any issues. I'll double check that
windows is still validated, but apart from it claiming I wasn't connected to 
the internet when everything was working
perfectly, there didn't seem to be any issues. Thanks for sharing, though.

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in


Essentially what happened in the upgrade from SL to Lion was that the bootcamp 
utility, along with all windows drivers and
software were upgraded. 

According to windows 7, the upgraded machine became a brand new machine which 
was not authorized to run that instillation of
windows.

Now, the obvious answer to this is, revalidate.  Do this and all is well.  If 
you are self-motivated and organized and you
take 5 minutes to do this right away, and microsoft counts your keys properly, 
you are golden.

None of this applied to my client.  Close now if you don't want shock value.  
Read on if you enjoy being appalled and
horrified.

The client called me out 25 days post upgrade and then hunted for his windows 
cd for an hour while my metre ran.
unfortunately it seems he threw it out by mistake.  He then called me out 35 
days post upgrade and I was able to retrieve his
key from the pooched up windows partition.  Of course it was too late to 
activate.  I called microsoft to see if I could get
activated.  They miscounted his keys and refused to activate, saying he had the 
instalation on too many machines.  Nonsense,
it was only ever installed once.  So after numerous support calls, several 
mysterious disconnects, 4 or 5 non-english
speaking and completely careless support staff, I finally convinced some one to 
reset his key.  I was then able to activate
his windows.  I then created him a terabyte image backup of his windows 
installation to replace the disk he threw out.  The
cash register rang often that week, but what a pain in the arse.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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$0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
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On 2012-07-25, at 4:46 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:


OK. Now I'm really confused. You're saying that installing ML is going to mess 
up bootcamp? I might just copy the ML install
file to a USB drive for now until I can get a bit more clerification. What 
kinds of problems were caused by the upgrade?
Missy

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in


No, that's ligit.  Bootcamp is still a product of and intergrated with mac OS.  
Upgrading from snow leopard to lion wrecked
bootcamp and windows, to my client's detriment.  I got to bill a bunch of hours 
out of it, which I would'a ratherred leave on
the table.  It was a mess. 

Best,


















Erik Burggraaf
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$0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com  

On 2012-07-25, at 3:05 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:


Bootcamp is on a whole seperet partition, so I really doubt it.

Chris.

On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:42 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:



Does this affect Bootcamp as well? I don't use VM, but am slightly nervous that 
something might happen to bootcamp.



-Original Message-


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Eric Caron


Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:28 PM


To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com


Subject: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in



Hi listers,



Anyone who has upgraded to Mountain Lyon and who had a VM Fusion installation, 
please let us know if the machine is


still working nicely under Mountain Lyon.  I'm especially interested in those 
with a JAWS VM as I had authorization problems


in the past.



Thanks for any reports.


Eric Caron



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Re: Bug when expanding mail messages

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Even with the Preview pane gone, VO will read a couple lines of your message 
due to the Conversation view.  I simply press enter/return on the message to 
open it and cmd-w to close the conversation.

To get rid of the Preview pane, you need to move the Vertical Slider just to 
the right of the Message Content area.  It needs to be moved all the way to the 
right so that VO reads 100% and sometimes it will say closed disclosure item.  
I previously posted that simply moving it would do the trick in ML but 
experienced a few frustrations with that method last evening on my iMac.  The 
other method is double-clicking on this Vertical Slider, it must be the 
physical mouse click, not the virtual one through VO.  I will investigate a 
little further to try to find a more reliable and efficient way of doing it 
with VO.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-07-25, at 11:53 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> How do you close the preview pane?  That could be an interesting way to go 
> about it, but I also rather like seeing a preview of the message before I 
> read it.
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> When I use Mail, I have the preview pane completely closed so for me to open 
>> messages individually or a whole thread, I use Command-O to open a new 
>> window and Command-W to close and return me to the message list.  I did this 
>> in Lion and I still do it in Mountain Lion.
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
>> 
>>> I just noticed that when expanding mail messages with VO-space bar, 
>>> sometimes the focus is in the wrong place, apparently, and it opens up the 
>>> "sort by menu" where you are able to sort by attachments, date, from, etc.  
>>> So far, my only complaint is that they took the expand mail messages 
>>> keystroke away for VoiceOver; I find this new one to be a bit awkward.
>>> 
>>> Other than that, it's really pretty nice.
>>> 
>>> Harry
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Re: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process for DVD Creation of ML Install

[Teresa Cochran]

Lion Disc-maker is a free app.

http://blog.gete.net/lion-diskmaker-us/

It works for Mountain Lion, too.

Teresa


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On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Daniela Rubio wrote:

> Thank you!
> I don't have this app, and it is alms the same of what I payed for ML. There 
> most be a way in which to tell vo to bring the destination folder to its 
> place!
> Cheers!
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> El 26/07/2012, a las 13:31, Rachel Feinberg escribió:
> 
>> Try the app Lion diskmaker. I believe it automates the process for you 
>> instead of you having to go through disc utility to do it yourself.
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:16 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, I have a USB now. But the thing is that the problem still the same, I 
>>> can't make it the destination folder to restore. This is, how, speaking of 
>>> vo do you make the process?
>>> I tell you what I do, and please, let me know where I am wrong.
>>> 1. I open Disk utility and , I select, on the disk list, my destination 
>>> disk, in this case, the partition in my USB named MTlyon.
>>> 
>>> 2. Then I go to the image button to find the origen DMG from where I want 
>>> to restore. The regular open dialog will appear, and there, I select the 
>>> installation DMG. After I do this, I find the name of that DMG on an edit 
>>> field of origen.
>>> 3. For the destination, I don't know what to do, because I go to 
>>> destination field, but there I have not any edit field or something where I 
>>> can select the disk, even though it keeps on selected on the first list.
>>> I tried clicking with mouse keys, with vo, and I don't know what else, but 
>>> the destination field has no name and the restore bottom is deemed.
>>> I am sure I am doing something wrong.
>>> Thank you for helping. I don't use DVD because this is a macbook air.
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> El 26/07/2012, a las 12:17, Kliphton escribió:
>>> 
 You have to either burn it to a DVD, or save it on a USB drive.  That is 
 what was stated in the direction I found on Google.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniela Rubio
 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:07 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky 
 Process for DVD Creation of ML Install
  
 Hello all:
 I will appreciate if somebody could help me. I am about to make a clean 
 istalation of MT Lyon, but I am stock in the process of creating the 
 bootable disk. When I extract the DMG file and I try to restore an SD card 
 with that image, Disk utility doesn't live me do it. The restore button is 
 deemed and I see that I can't select the destination disk. The origen, 
 which is the DMG file is selected correctly, but not the destination.
 May be it is a very sibmpe thing, but I don't want to install the OS on 
 top of lyon.
 Thanky ou for your help!
  
 Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
  
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 El 25/07/2012, a las 20:18, Teresa Cochran escribió:
 
 
 Oh, growl! Folks, I have a 3.43-gig image and a 3.37-gig DVD. 
 Not good. Just be aware of this if you're doing a clean install. I'm going 
 to use an 8-gig USB drive. Clever Apple. ...
 
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Re: Mountain Lion Mail

[Teresa Cochran]

I haven't installed ML yet, but if it still uses the tables, I use VO-command-T 
to move to the message content table from the message list table.

HTh,
Teresa

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On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> Dunno about getting rid of unwanted controls but what I do in the modern view 
> to hop between the mail box list and the list of messages is press VO-J; it 
> toggles me back and forth cleanly between these two lists.  I have the 
> preview pane closed down completely so VO-J won't pop me in there.
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:49 AM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
>>> Hi folks
>>> I'm afraid I got a bit confused with the flurry of emails on this subject.
>>> Has anybody found a way to get rid of those buttons between the mailboxes 
>>> table and  message table? I like to be able to tab from one table  to the 
>>> other, and not have to hop over "sort by date" , "hide mail activity 
>>> button", "mail action button" and   "New mailbox action button".
>>> Is there a way to get rid of these. I have put the sliders up to 100 per 
>>> cent. I'm not using classic view.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> I love the calendar in ML. The install was easy peasy and so far I am think 
>>> VO is snappier. I'm using Karen whose chip monk bug is still not fixed. 
>>> 
>>> Lisette
>>> 
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Re: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process for DVD Creation of ML Install

[Daniela Rubio]

Thanks!
I found that one around 15 &. I will try with this!

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El 26/07/2012, a las 16:20, Teresa Cochran escribió:

> Lion Disc-maker is a free app.
> 
> http://blog.gete.net/lion-diskmaker-us/
> 
> It works for Mountain Lion, too.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> 
> "Visualize whirled peas."
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Daniela Rubio wrote:
> 
>> Thank you!
>> I don't have this app, and it is alms the same of what I payed for ML. There 
>> most be a way in which to tell vo to bring the destination folder to its 
>> place!
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
>> 
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>>  Distinguished Educator
>> 
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>> Nuestro Blog:
>> 
>> www.macneticos.org
>> 
>> En Podcast :
>> http://macneticos.libsyn.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El 26/07/2012, a las 13:31, Rachel Feinberg escribió:
>> 
>>> Try the app Lion diskmaker. I believe it automates the process for you 
>>> instead of you having to go through disc utility to do it yourself.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:16 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>>> 
 OK, I have a USB now. But the thing is that the problem still the same, I 
 can't make it the destination folder to restore. This is, how, speaking of 
 vo do you make the process?
 I tell you what I do, and please, let me know where I am wrong.
 1. I open Disk utility and , I select, on the disk list, my destination 
 disk, in this case, the partition in my USB named MTlyon.
 
 2. Then I go to the image button to find the origen DMG from where I want 
 to restore. The regular open dialog will appear, and there, I select the 
 installation DMG. After I do this, I find the name of that DMG on an edit 
 field of origen.
 3. For the destination, I don't know what to do, because I go to 
 destination field, but there I have not any edit field or something where 
 I can select the disk, even though it keeps on selected on the first list.
 I tried clicking with mouse keys, with vo, and I don't know what else, but 
 the destination field has no name and the restore bottom is deemed.
 I am sure I am doing something wrong.
 Thank you for helping. I don't use DVD because this is a macbook air.
 Thanks!
 
 Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
 
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 El 26/07/2012, a las 12:17, Kliphton escribió:
 
> You have to either burn it to a DVD, or save it on a USB drive.  That is 
> what was stated in the direction I found on Google.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniela Rubio
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky 
> Process for DVD Creation of ML Install
> 
> Hello all:
> I will appreciate if somebody could help me. I am about to make a clean 
> istalation of MT Lyon, but I am stock in the process of creating the 
> bootable disk. When I extract the DMG file and I try to restore an SD 
> card with that image, Disk utility doesn't live me do it. The restore 
> button is deemed and I see that I can't select the destination disk. The 
> origen, which is the DMG file is selected correctly, but not the 
> destination.
> May be it is a very sibmpe thing, but I don't want to install the OS on 
> top of lyon.
> Thanky ou for your help!
> 
> Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
> 
> Macneticos, Apple y Accesibilidad a tu alcance.
>  Distinguished Educator
> 
> En Twitter: @macneticos
> Nuestro Blog:
> 
> www.macneticos.org
> 
> En Podcast :
> http://macneticos.libsyn.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El 25/07/2012, a las 20:18, Teresa Cochran escribió:
> 
> 
>Oh, growl! Folks, I have a 3.43-gig image and a 3.37-gig DVD. 
> Not good. Just be aware of this if you're doing a clean install. I'm 
> going to use an 8-gig USB drive. Clever Apple. ...
> 
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Re: tab key in ML?

[brianna Snyder]

Hi, 

Yes, I have noticed this. I've been wondering about how I can either fix this, 
or do something else to use mail as efficiently as I did before. I don't like 
arrowing between the two tables. Any ideas on other ways to use mail, or how to 
be able to use tab between the mailbox list and the messages table would be 
appreciated. 

Thanks, 
Brianna 

On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Kliphton  wrote:

>> Has anyone experienced the tab key only have working in mail?  It works 
>> going from the message list, to the body of the message you want to read, 
>> but does not work going from the mailbox list, to the message list.  Or am I 
>> missing someing?
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Vm Fusion

[Paul Hunt]

Hello everyone. I have an old version of fusion that won't run on Mountain 
Lion. When I install the new version I want to use my current image. Is this 
possible? How can I do this without reinstalling Windows?
> 
> Any tips are very much appreciated. Thanks so much.

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Re: tab key in ML?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hello,

I suggest using the find next table command, VO command T or, VO command shift 
T for previous table.  I've set up keyboard commands to shorten these 
keystrokes.

hth

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On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:11 AM, brianna Snyder  wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> Yes, I have noticed this. I've been wondering about how I can either fix 
> this, or do something else to use mail as efficiently as I did before. I 
> don't like arrowing between the two tables. Any ideas on other ways to use 
> mail, or how to be able to use tab between the mailbox list and the messages 
> table would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Brianna 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Kliphton  wrote:
> 
>>> Has anyone experienced the tab key only have working in mail?  It works 
>>> going from the message list, to the body of the message you want to read, 
>>> but does not work going from the mailbox list, to the message list.  Or am 
>>> I missing someing?
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Re: tab key in ML?

[erik burggraaf]

Well, you could just stay in the messages table.

Now, your mileage may vary depending on how many email accounts you have.  I 
think what I'm about to tell you may be system dependent as well and there's 
always the chance they broke it between system versions.

Anyhow, command 1 is for inbox.
Command 3 is for drafts.
Command 4 is for sent items.
Command 5 is for trash.
Command 6 is for junk.

So you can just stay sitting on the messages table and use command plus the 
numbers to cycle.

Best,

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On 2012-07-26, at 11:11 AM, brianna Snyder wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> Yes, I have noticed this. I've been wondering about how I can either fix 
> this, or do something else to use mail as efficiently as I did before. I 
> don't like arrowing between the two tables. Any ideas on other ways to use 
> mail, or how to be able to use tab between the mailbox list and the messages 
> table would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Brianna 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Kliphton  wrote:
> 
>>> Has anyone experienced the tab key only have working in mail?  It works 
>>> going from the message list, to the body of the message you want to read, 
>>> but does not work going from the mailbox list, to the message list.  Or am 
>>> I missing someing?
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Notification Center Questions

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,

Hope those who have installed Ml are enjoying the update because I am.
My notifications are being read by VO, but I am not getting any alert tone. Is 
anyone else experiencing this same issue?
Is there a way to change the alert notification sounds?

I am unsure of how to do this because I have particular tones I would like to 
use. Thank you for any help anyone can provide because I am unsure of where to 
start searching. Looked on the Internet, but did not find answers so far.

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RE: Notification Center Questions

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

 

I honestly believe that's something they forgot to implement before
releasing ML to the public. I'm also having this issue, and there's no way
to change it.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Notification Center Questions

 

Hello everyone,

 

Hope those who have installed Ml are enjoying the update because I am.

My notifications are being read by VO, but I am not getting any alert tone.
Is anyone else experiencing this same issue?

Is there a way to change the alert notification sounds?

 

I am unsure of how to do this because I have particular tones I would like
to use. Thank you for any help anyone can provide because I am unsure of
where to start searching. Looked on the Internet, but did not find answers
so far.

 

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Re: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky Process for DVD Creation of ML Install

[Daniela Rubio]

Again, thank you very very much! I got it! at last, My new cat will be here 
very soon!
Take care!

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El 26/07/2012, a las 16:20, Teresa Cochran escribió:

> Lion Disc-maker is a free app.
> 
> http://blog.gete.net/lion-diskmaker-us/
> 
> It works for Mountain Lion, too.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> 
> "Visualize whirled peas."
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Daniela Rubio wrote:
> 
>> Thank you!
>> I don't have this app, and it is alms the same of what I payed for ML. There 
>> most be a way in which to tell vo to bring the destination folder to its 
>> place!
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
>> 
>> Macneticos, Apple y Accesibilidad a tu alcance.
>>  Distinguished Educator
>> 
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>> 
>> En Podcast :
>> http://macneticos.libsyn.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El 26/07/2012, a las 13:31, Rachel Feinberg escribió:
>> 
>>> Try the app Lion diskmaker. I believe it automates the process for you 
>>> instead of you having to go through disc utility to do it yourself.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:16 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>>> 
 OK, I have a USB now. But the thing is that the problem still the same, I 
 can't make it the destination folder to restore. This is, how, speaking of 
 vo do you make the process?
 I tell you what I do, and please, let me know where I am wrong.
 1. I open Disk utility and , I select, on the disk list, my destination 
 disk, in this case, the partition in my USB named MTlyon.
 
 2. Then I go to the image button to find the origen DMG from where I want 
 to restore. The regular open dialog will appear, and there, I select the 
 installation DMG. After I do this, I find the name of that DMG on an edit 
 field of origen.
 3. For the destination, I don't know what to do, because I go to 
 destination field, but there I have not any edit field or something where 
 I can select the disk, even though it keeps on selected on the first list.
 I tried clicking with mouse keys, with vo, and I don't know what else, but 
 the destination field has no name and the restore bottom is deemed.
 I am sure I am doing something wrong.
 Thank you for helping. I don't use DVD because this is a macbook air.
 Thanks!
 
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> You have to either burn it to a DVD, or save it on a USB drive.  That is 
> what was stated in the direction I found on Google.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniela Rubio
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Creating a bootable disk for clean install, was Re: Tricky 
> Process for DVD Creation of ML Install
> 
> Hello all:
> I will appreciate if somebody could help me. I am about to make a clean 
> istalation of MT Lyon, but I am stock in the process of creating the 
> bootable disk. When I extract the DMG file and I try to restore an SD 
> card with that image, Disk utility doesn't live me do it. The restore 
> button is deemed and I see that I can't select the destination disk. The 
> origen, which is the DMG file is selected correctly, but not the 
> destination.
> May be it is a very sibmpe thing, but I don't want to install the OS on 
> top of lyon.
> Thanky ou for your help!
> 
> Saludos, Daniela Rubio Trujillo
> 
> Macneticos, Apple y Accesibilidad a tu alcance.
>  Distinguished Educator
> 
> En Twitter: @macneticos
> Nuestro Blog:
> 
> www.macneticos.org
> 
> En Podcast :
> http://macneticos.libsyn.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El 25/07/2012, a las 20:18, Teresa Cochran escribió:
> 
> 
>Oh, growl! Folks, I have a 3.43-gig image and a 3.37-gig DVD. 
> Not good. Just be aware of this if you're doing a clean install. I'm 
> going to use an 8-gig USB drive. Clever Apple. ...
> 
> Teresa
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Re: tab key in ML?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Eric,

Actually, there are only three numbered commands that seem to work.  Command 1 
for Inbox, Command 2 for Sent and Command 3 for Drafts.  At least by default, 
that's what works.  I'd like to find a keystroke to take me to the Trash Folder.

Les
On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:19 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:

> Well, you could just stay in the messages table.
> 
> Now, your mileage may vary depending on how many email accounts you have.  I 
> think what I'm about to tell you may be system dependent as well and there's 
> always the chance they broke it between system versions.
> 
> Anyhow, command 1 is for inbox.
> Command 3 is for drafts.
> Command 4 is for sent items.
> Command 5 is for trash.
> Command 6 is for junk.
> 
> So you can just stay sitting on the messages table and use command plus the 
> numbers to cycle.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at 
> $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2012-07-26, at 11:11 AM, brianna Snyder wrote:
> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Yes, I have noticed this. I've been wondering about how I can either fix 
>> this, or do something else to use mail as efficiently as I did before. I 
>> don't like arrowing between the two tables. Any ideas on other ways to use 
>> mail, or how to be able to use tab between the mailbox list and the messages 
>> table would be appreciated. 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> Brianna 
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Kliphton  wrote:
>> 
 Has anyone experienced the tab key only have working in mail?  It works 
 going from the message list, to the body of the message you want to read, 
 but does not work going from the mailbox list, to the message list.  Or am 
 I missing someing?
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Re: Vm Fusion

[Emilio]

Hello Paul,

Based on my experience because this is how it worked for me, is once I
installed ML Fusion worked fine.
The only thing I did immediately observe is when launching Windows
from Fusion I had no Internet connection, but this was remedied by a
reboot of the machine.
I am running V4 of Fusion btw.

HTH. :)

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Re: Setting up Twitter in ML and the voice upgrades

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It seems to me that if you have about 1100 followers, as I do, many of them 
commercial concerns or some other form of needless spam, that Twitter in the 
mailbox would be a bad idea.  I'd have to figure out how to apply message rules 
to serve as filters, analogous to what Syrinx gives me now.  I don't think I 
shall be using this particular feature of the new kitty, but new kitty is 
running quite amazingly.  I still can't believe I didn't screw up the install 
and up with a ,macPaperweight.


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Re: tab key in ML?

[erik burggraaf]

Hi Less,

Command 5 is definitely the trash.  I didn't set it up that way.  It just was.  
I think it dows vary from system to system though, and it might even be 
configurable somewhere.

Why for example, is my command 2 empty of a function?  Hmm...

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On 2012-07-26, at 11:38 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> Actually, there are only three numbered commands that seem to work.  Command 
> 1 for Inbox, Command 2 for Sent and Command 3 for Drafts.  At least by 
> default, that's what works.  I'd like to find a keystroke to take me to the 
> Trash Folder.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:19 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
>> Well, you could just stay in the messages table.
>> 
>> Now, your mileage may vary depending on how many email accounts you have.  I 
>> think what I'm about to tell you may be system dependent as well and there's 
>> always the chance they broke it between system versions.
>> 
>> Anyhow, command 1 is for inbox.
>> Command 3 is for drafts.
>> Command 4 is for sent items.
>> Command 5 is for trash.
>> Command 6 is for junk.
>> 
>> So you can just stay sitting on the messages table and use command plus the 
>> numbers to cycle.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting 
>> at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2012-07-26, at 11:11 AM, brianna Snyder wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> Yes, I have noticed this. I've been wondering about how I can either fix 
>>> this, or do something else to use mail as efficiently as I did before. I 
>>> don't like arrowing between the two tables. Any ideas on other ways to use 
>>> mail, or how to be able to use tab between the mailbox list and the 
>>> messages table would be appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Brianna 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Kliphton  wrote:
>>> 
> Has anyone experienced the tab key only have working in mail?  It works 
> going from the message list, to the body of the message you want to read, 
> but does not work going from the mailbox list, to the message list.  Or 
> am I missing someing?
 
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Re: tab key in ML?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Eric,

Well, that keystroke doesn't work here.  I went into System  Preferences,  Mail 
but all I hear is items that are checked or unchecked, but don't know what 
those options represent.  I thought this might be configurable, but I haven't 
figured out a way to accomplish this yet.

Les
On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:48 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:

> Hi Less,
> 
> Command 5 is definitely the trash.  I didn't set it up that way.  It just 
> was.  I think it dows vary from system to system though, and it might even be 
> configurable somewhere.
> 
> Why for example, is my command 2 empty of a function?  Hmm...
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at 
> $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2012-07-26, at 11:38 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> Actually, there are only three numbered commands that seem to work.  Command 
>> 1 for Inbox, Command 2 for Sent and Command 3 for Drafts.  At least by 
>> default, that's what works.  I'd like to find a keystroke to take me to the 
>> Trash Folder.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:19 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, you could just stay in the messages table.
>>> 
>>> Now, your mileage may vary depending on how many email accounts you have.  
>>> I think what I'm about to tell you may be system dependent as well and 
>>> there's always the chance they broke it between system versions.
>>> 
>>> Anyhow, command 1 is for inbox.
>>> Command 3 is for drafts.
>>> Command 4 is for sent items.
>>> Command 5 is for trash.
>>> Command 6 is for junk.
>>> 
>>> So you can just stay sitting on the messages table and use command plus the 
>>> numbers to cycle.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting 
>>> at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-26, at 11:11 AM, brianna Snyder wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, 
 
 Yes, I have noticed this. I've been wondering about how I can either fix 
 this, or do something else to use mail as efficiently as I did before. I 
 don't like arrowing between the two tables. Any ideas on other ways to use 
 mail, or how to be able to use tab between the mailbox list and the 
 messages table would be appreciated. 
 
 Thanks, 
 Brianna 
 
 On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Kliphton  wrote:
 
>> Has anyone experienced the tab key only have working in mail?  It works 
>> going from the message list, to the body of the message you want to 
>> read, but does not work going from the mailbox list, to the message 
>> list.  Or am I missing someing?
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1 Message Conversation?

[Brandon Olivares]

Hi,

I just upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday, and love it.

But now, mail seems to see 1 message as a conversation, because sometimes it 
says, "1 message conversation collapsed disclosure triangle" when there is 
obviously only 1 message in the conversation. But sometimes it doesn't do this. 
Any idea why mail is doing this?

Thanks,
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Is Twitter Down?

[Steve Holmes]

Sorry for off topic post, but I can't seem to connect to twitter from
my iPod nor a windows browser here at work.  either they are blocking
access to twitter at my office or twitter is down.  any ideas?

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RE: Is Twitter Down?

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi! I'm having the same problem. I'm thinking it's probably safe to assume it's 
an issue on twitter's end.

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To: macvisionaries
Subject: Is Twitter Down?

Sorry for off topic post, but I can't seem to connect to twitter from my iPod 
nor a windows browser here at work.  either
they are blocking access to twitter at my office or twitter is down.  any ideas?

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10.8 and contact syncing with iOS?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I am wondering if, with 10.8, my iPod and mac will start sharing contacts? That 
is, the contacts on the iPod will be added to those on the mac and vice versa? 
Or is this already possible? I have both machines set up on the same iCloud 
account.


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Re: Is Twitter Down?

[Steve Holmes]

Well it goes to prove one thing for sure.  I am a twitter-holic for
sure.  I'm having withdrawls here:).

On 7/26/12, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
> Hi! I'm having the same problem. I'm thinking it's probably safe to assume
> it's an issue on twitter's end.
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> Subject: Is Twitter Down?
>
> Sorry for off topic post, but I can't seem to connect to twitter from my
> iPod nor a windows browser here at work.  either
> they are blocking access to twitter at my office or twitter is down.  any
> ideas?
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Re: Is Twitter Down?

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It's down here too. server errors when trying to SSL in


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Re: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in

[Kliphton]

I am happy to report that VM fusion is working after upgrading to mountain lion 
with no issues.  Now when I perform the clean install later this month we will 
see, but the upgrade process didn't effect fusion at all!
On Jul 25, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:

> Hi listers,
> 
>   Anyone who has upgraded to Mountain Lyon and who had a VM Fusion 
> installation, please let us know if the machine is still working nicely under 
> Mountain Lyon.  I'm especially interested in those with a JAWS VM as I had 
> authorization problems in the past.
> 
> Thanks for any reports.
> Eric Caron 
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Mountain Lion repeating information in finder

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi, all. I couldn't think of a more concise way to sum up the problem for the 
subject of this message. Actually, this isn't a
problem as much as an annoyance. If I'm in a finder window, it seems to be 
telling me information twice. For example, if I'm
scrolling down, it might say something like "documents folder" followed by the 
date and whatever else, and then it says
folder again. Same for actual files. It says the file name, then what type of 
document it is, then the date info, and then
what type of file it is again. I've looked through verbosity settings, and 
can't seem to find anything to fix this problem.
It could be that my short term memory is even more pitiful than usual, and this 
is the way it's always read, but I don't
think so. I thought the file type info was only read after the date and stuff. 
For example: "documents July 26 12:10 PM
folder" I don't know if I'm explaining this right, but the bottom line is that 
file type information is being read twice, and
I'd really appreciate it if someone had an idea how that could be fixed. Over 
all, I'm still loving mountain lion, though.
The new features and improved start-up definitely cancel out any minor quirks 
I've encountered.
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How do I owngrade a voice?

[Johanna Herranen]

Hi folks,
I am quite sure not too many of you use Finnish speech, but I thought maybe 
someone could help me anyway *smiles 

I upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday. After that, I noticed there was a new 
version of Finnish voice Mikko available. They promised it would be better than 
the old one, so I just went ahead and grabbed it. Unfortunately it made things 
ten times worse than before. Finnish is phonetically very different from 
English. It is essential that I can see (hear) words exactly the way they 
should be pronounced in Finnish. I can see in some cases - for example if 
sighted people read audiobooks using Finnish speech - it is nice if the names 
and such are pronounced the correct way. But unfortunately I happen to be 
blind. I need speech in order to 'see' what actually is on my computer screen. 
I don't want to start guessing when the computer is guessing the pronounciation 
of some words and when they actually are spelled the way they've been 
pronounced.  There are now many many more Finnish words that are being 
pronounced incorrectly, of course it is nice that some English names now are 
pronounced the way they should be … 

So my question is: does anyone know if there is a way to undo such an update?  
I do have a backup made with time machine, but that is from before I upgraded 
my Os to Mountain Lion. I'm now using the compact version of Finnish Mikko 
Voice -- that still seems to be more OK. 
Any help would be very much appreciated. 

It would be nice if there were just a switch somewhere so that I could decide 
wether or not the speech uses any pronounciation interpretation.
 

Johanna 
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Twitter: lonely_lyrics 

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Re: Is Twitter Down?

[chris hallsworth]

Down at my end as well. Use The Qube on the Windows side and the official 
Twitter app on my iPhone 4.
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Subject: Is Twitter Down?



Sorry for off topic post, but I can't seem to connect to twitter from
my iPod nor a windows browser here at work.  either they are blocking
access to twitter at my office or twitter is down.  any ideas?

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Re: 1 Message Conversation?

[Brandon Misch]

that's because it also adds your message to the conversation and only says the 
new message as the conversation. Not the one you added to it. hope this helps 

On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I just upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday, and love it.
> 
> But now, mail seems to see 1 message as a conversation, because sometimes it 
> says, "1 message conversation collapsed disclosure triangle" when there is 
> obviously only 1 message in the conversation. But sometimes it doesn't do 
> this. Any idea why mail is doing this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: Vm Fusion

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi Paul.
This is indeed quite possible and easy to do.
All that'll happen, is that Fusion will ask if you want to upgrade you're VM. 
Once you tell it yes, it'll update all components and go very smoothly.
HTH and let me know if you have any questions.
Mathew Campbell.


On 2012-07-26, at 11:16 AM, Paul Hunt  wrote:

> Hello everyone. I have an old version of fusion that won't run on Mountain 
> Lion. When I install the new version I want to use my current image. Is this 
> possible? How can I do this without reinstalling Windows?
>> 
>> Any tips are very much appreciated. Thanks so much.
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Re: Is Twitter Down?

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Pardon me for the useless one-line mail message, but it's back up her enow.


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Re: 1 Message Conversation?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Doing that to me too.  Also, right arow no longer expands threads.  how in the 
world to address this?


Sincerely,
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Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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> Hi,
> 
> I just upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday, and love it.
> 
> But now, mail seems to see 1 message as a conversation, because sometimes it 
> says, "1 message conversation collapsed disclosure triangle" when there is 
> obviously only 1 message in the conversation. But sometimes it doesn't do 
> this. Any idea why mail is doing this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: pairing apple wireless keyboardd questions

[Christina C.]

Oh Darn.  I'll try to pair it in another room.  Maybe I should not mess with 
it.  I don't want to suddenly not be able to use my iMac because I can't get my 
keyboard to communicate with the computer.  I think I just do not know what in 
the world I am doing.  :)   Do any of you use your apple wireless keyboard with 
your iMac and an iDevice?  If so, how many things can you pair the keyboard 
with?

Thanks,
Sent from Christina's iMac :)

On Jul 25, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> yes.  it won't work because your Apple keyboard can't be paired to both at 
> the same time.  If your using one, the other has to be off or, out of range 
> of the keyboard.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:37 PM, "Christina C."  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it makes great sense, thanks.  However, my iPhone won't find the 
>> keyboard.  Hmm, I'm not sure what to try next.
>> Sent from Christina's iMac :)
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>> 
>>> If you want to pair an Apple bluetooth keyboard with an IOS device, do the 
>>> following:
>>> 1. Open settings.
>>> 2. Open General.
>>> 3. Open Bluetooth.
>>> 4. You should see a list of bluetooth devices and one of them will be your 
>>> keyboard.  It will probably be called either Apple Wireless Keyboard or 
>>> Christina's keyboard.  Double-tap on that.
>>> 5. You should now have the option to connect it.  You will need to type a 
>>> set of numbers from the Apple keyboard.  Type those numbers in and press 
>>> the Enter key.
>>> Let me know if any of this is not clear.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, I just got a iMac a couple of days ago.  Can I pair my wireless 
 keyboard with my iOS devices?  Can it only be paired with one item, like 
 my computer?  How in the world do I pair it with an iDevice if it can be 
 done.  I can't figure it out.  I'm really lost on this.
 
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RE: Is Twitter Down?

[Missy Hoppe]

Hmm. Still seems broken here. I'll give it some more time before I try starting 
the qube again. Glad it's back for you,
though.

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Re: 1 Message Conversation?

[Brandon Olivares]

Hi,

Really? The right arrow works for me to expand threads.

Brandon
On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Doing that to me too.  Also, right arow no longer expands threads.  how in 
> the world to address this?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday, and love it.
>> 
>> But now, mail seems to see 1 message as a conversation, because sometimes it 
>> says, "1 message conversation collapsed disclosure triangle" when there is 
>> obviously only 1 message in the conversation. But sometimes it doesn't do 
>> this. Any idea why mail is doing this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Re: tab key in ML?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

you need to drag the trash folder into the favorites bar in Mail.  This hasn't 
changed at all from Lion to Mountain Lion.

hth

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On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> Actually, there are only three numbered commands that seem to work.  Command 
> 1 for Inbox, Command 2 for Sent and Command 3 for Drafts.  At least by 
> default, that's what works.  I'd like to find a keystroke to take me to the 
> Trash Folder.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:19 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
>> Well, you could just stay in the messages table.
>> 
>> Now, your mileage may vary depending on how many email accounts you have.  I 
>> think what I'm about to tell you may be system dependent as well and there's 
>> always the chance they broke it between system versions.
>> 
>> Anyhow, command 1 is for inbox.
>> Command 3 is for drafts.
>> Command 4 is for sent items.
>> Command 5 is for trash.
>> Command 6 is for junk.
>> 
>> So you can just stay sitting on the messages table and use command plus the 
>> numbers to cycle.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
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>> at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
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>> 
>> On 2012-07-26, at 11:11 AM, brianna Snyder wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> Yes, I have noticed this. I've been wondering about how I can either fix 
>>> this, or do something else to use mail as efficiently as I did before. I 
>>> don't like arrowing between the two tables. Any ideas on other ways to use 
>>> mail, or how to be able to use tab between the mailbox list and the 
>>> messages table would be appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Brianna 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Kliphton  wrote:
>>> 
> Has anyone experienced the tab key only have working in mail?  It works 
> going from the message list, to the body of the message you want to read, 
> but does not work going from the mailbox list, to the message list.  Or 
> am I missing someing?
 
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Re: tab key in ML?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

the keystrokes that jump you to different inboxes and folders are dependent on 
where they are in the favorites bar in Mail.  For example, if in favorites you 
have Gmail inbox, iCloud inbox, then trash, command 1 would take you to the 
gmail inbox, command 2, iCloud, command 3, trash.  

hth

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On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:48 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:

> Hi Less,
> 
> Command 5 is definitely the trash.  I didn't set it up that way.  It just 
> was.  I think it dows vary from system to system though, and it might even be 
> configurable somewhere.
> 
> Why for example, is my command 2 empty of a function?  Hmm...
> 
> Best,
> 
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> On 2012-07-26, at 11:38 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> Actually, there are only three numbered commands that seem to work.  Command 
>> 1 for Inbox, Command 2 for Sent and Command 3 for Drafts.  At least by 
>> default, that's what works.  I'd like to find a keystroke to take me to the 
>> Trash Folder.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:19 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, you could just stay in the messages table.
>>> 
>>> Now, your mileage may vary depending on how many email accounts you have.  
>>> I think what I'm about to tell you may be system dependent as well and 
>>> there's always the chance they broke it between system versions.
>>> 
>>> Anyhow, command 1 is for inbox.
>>> Command 3 is for drafts.
>>> Command 4 is for sent items.
>>> Command 5 is for trash.
>>> Command 6 is for junk.
>>> 
>>> So you can just stay sitting on the messages table and use command plus the 
>>> numbers to cycle.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting 
>>> at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-26, at 11:11 AM, brianna Snyder wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, 
 
 Yes, I have noticed this. I've been wondering about how I can either fix 
 this, or do something else to use mail as efficiently as I did before. I 
 don't like arrowing between the two tables. Any ideas on other ways to use 
 mail, or how to be able to use tab between the mailbox list and the 
 messages table would be appreciated. 
 
 Thanks, 
 Brianna 
 
 On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Kliphton  wrote:
 
>> Has anyone experienced the tab key only have working in mail?  It works 
>> going from the message list, to the body of the message you want to 
>> read, but does not work going from the mailbox list, to the message 
>> list.  Or am I missing someing?
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Re: 10.8 and contact syncing with iOS?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

This feature was added in 10.7 Lion.

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On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am wondering if, with 10.8, my iPod and mac will start sharing contacts? 
> That is, the contacts on the iPod will be added to those on the mac and vice 
> versa? Or is this already possible? I have both machines set up on the same 
> iCloud account.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
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Re: Notification Center Questions

[Daniela Rubio]

I think that it will come in an update, because it is a big issue.

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El 26/07/2012, a las 17:33, Daniel Miller escribió:

> Hi,
>  
> I honestly believe that’s something they forgot to implement before releasing 
> ML to the public. I’m also having this issue, and there’s no way to change it.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfEmilio Hernandez
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Notification Center Questions
>  
> Hello everyone,
>  
> Hope those who have installed Ml are enjoying the update because I am.
> My notifications are being read by VO, but I am not getting any alert tone. 
> Is anyone else experiencing this same issue?
> Is there a way to change the alert notification sounds?
>  
> I am unsure of how to do this because I have particular tones I would like to 
> use. Thank you for any help anyone can provide because I am unsure of where 
> to start searching. Looked on the Internet, but did not find answers so far.
>  
> Sent from my iMac
> Twitter: TheOrangeCircle
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Re: Mountain Lion repeating information in finder

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

try changing your view from list to column by pressing command 3.

Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:

> Hi, all. I couldn't think of a more concise way to sum up the problem for the 
> subject of this message. Actually, this isn't a
> problem as much as an annoyance. If I'm in a finder window, it seems to be 
> telling me information twice. For example, if I'm
> scrolling down, it might say something like "documents folder" followed by 
> the date and whatever else, and then it says
> folder again. Same for actual files. It says the file name, then what type of 
> document it is, then the date info, and then
> what type of file it is again. I've looked through verbosity settings, and 
> can't seem to find anything to fix this problem.
> It could be that my short term memory is even more pitiful than usual, and 
> this is the way it's always read, but I don't
> think so. I thought the file type info was only read after the date and 
> stuff. For example: "documents July 26 12:10 PM
> folder" I don't know if I'm explaining this right, but the bottom line is 
> that file type information is being read twice, and
> I'd really appreciate it if someone had an idea how that could be fixed. Over 
> all, I'm still loving mountain lion, though.
> The new features and improved start-up definitely cancel out any minor quirks 
> I've encountered.
> Missy
> 
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Re: 1 Message Conversation?

[Steve Holmes]

I've been seeing this too.  I don't know why though.

On 7/26/12, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday, and love it.
>
> But now, mail seems to see 1 message as a conversation, because sometimes it
> says, "1 message conversation collapsed disclosure triangle" when there is
> obviously only 1 message in the conversation. But sometimes it doesn't do
> this. Any idea why mail is doing this?
>
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: How do I owngrade a voice?

[Harry Hogue]

hello,

I use Paulina, the Spanish voice, which they also claimed had speech 
improvements, and I haven't noticed any difference one way or the other.  I 
don't know of a way to downgrade the voice to get the old version back.  YOu 
might try contacting the company that actually manufactures the voices, or 
writing to Apple.

I'm sorry I'm not able to be of more help.
Best,

Harry

On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Johanna Herranen 
 wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I am quite sure not too many of you use Finnish speech, but I thought maybe 
> someone could help me anyway *smiles 
> 
> I upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday. After that, I noticed there was a new 
> version of Finnish voice Mikko available. They promised it would be better 
> than the old one, so I just went ahead and grabbed it. Unfortunately it made 
> things ten times worse than before. Finnish is phonetically very different 
> from English. It is essential that I can see (hear) words exactly the way 
> they should be pronounced in Finnish. I can see in some cases - for example 
> if sighted people read audiobooks using Finnish speech - it is nice if the 
> names and such are pronounced the correct way. But unfortunately I happen to 
> be blind. I need speech in order to 'see' what actually is on my computer 
> screen. I don't want to start guessing when the computer is guessing the 
> pronounciation of some words and when they actually are spelled the way 
> they've been pronounced.  There are now many many more Finnish words that are 
> being pronounced incorrectly, of course it is nice that some English names 
> now are pronounced the way they should be … 
> 
> So my question is: does anyone know if there is a way to undo such an update? 
>  I do have a backup made with time machine, but that is from before I 
> upgraded my Os to Mountain Lion. I'm now using the compact version of Finnish 
> Mikko Voice -- that still seems to be more OK. 
> Any help would be very much appreciated. 
> 
> It would be nice if there were just a switch somewhere so that I could decide 
> wether or not the speech uses any pronounciation interpretation.
> 
> 
> Johanna 
> Skype: jherranen
> Twitter: lonely_lyrics 
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RE: Mountain Lion repeating information in finder

[Missy Hoppe]

Thanks! I'll try that. I always used list view before, at least I thought I 
did, but I'll see if switching to column view
makes any difference.

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On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mountain Lion repeating information in finder

Hi,

try changing your view from list to column by pressing command 3.

Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:

> Hi, all. I couldn't think of a more concise way to sum up the problem
> for the subject of this message. Actually, this isn't a problem as
> much as an annoyance. If I'm in a finder window, it seems to be
> telling me information twice. For example, if I'm scrolling down, it
> might say something like "documents folder" followed by the date and whatever 
> else, and then it says folder again. Same for
actual files. It says the file name, then what type of document it is, then the 
date info, and then what type of file it is
again. I've looked through verbosity settings, and can't seem to find anything 
to fix this problem.
> It could be that my short term memory is even more pitiful than usual,
> and this is the way it's always read, but I don't think so. I thought
> the file type info was only read after the date and stuff. For
> example: "documents July 26 12:10 PM folder" I don't know if I'm explaining 
> this right, but the bottom line is that file
type information is being read twice, and I'd really appreciate it if someone 
had an idea how that could be fixed. Over all,
I'm still loving mountain lion, though.
> The new features and improved start-up definitely cancel out any minor quirks 
> I've encountered.
> Missy
>
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Airplay and delay

[Emrah]

Hey there,

I was so excited when I mirrored my Macbook Pro with my Apple TV and heard 
VoiceOver speak with almost no delay or latency, that I immediately went and 
purchased a couple of Airport Express to use as wireless speakers.

My high ended there. Even if you use an Airplay device as your main system 
output, you will still enjoy the crazy 2 seconds delay in anything you'll play.

I find this very frustrating and annoying…

Can someone confirm and reproduce the same issue?

Best,
Emrah

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Re: Mountain Lion repeating information in finder

[Ricardo Walker]

Ok.

Let me know how that works out for you.


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On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:

> Thanks! I'll try that. I always used list view before, at least I thought I 
> did, but I'll see if switching to column view
> makes any difference.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mountain Lion repeating information in finder
> 
> Hi,
> 
> try changing your view from list to column by pressing command 3.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all. I couldn't think of a more concise way to sum up the problem
>> for the subject of this message. Actually, this isn't a problem as
>> much as an annoyance. If I'm in a finder window, it seems to be
>> telling me information twice. For example, if I'm scrolling down, it
>> might say something like "documents folder" followed by the date and 
>> whatever else, and then it says folder again. Same for
> actual files. It says the file name, then what type of document it is, then 
> the date info, and then what type of file it is
> again. I've looked through verbosity settings, and can't seem to find 
> anything to fix this problem.
>> It could be that my short term memory is even more pitiful than usual,
>> and this is the way it's always read, but I don't think so. I thought
>> the file type info was only read after the date and stuff. For
>> example: "documents July 26 12:10 PM folder" I don't know if I'm explaining 
>> this right, but the bottom line is that file
> type information is being read twice, and I'd really appreciate it if someone 
> had an idea how that could be fixed. Over all,
> I'm still loving mountain lion, though.
>> The new features and improved start-up definitely cancel out any minor 
>> quirks I've encountered.
>> Missy
>> 
>> 
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RE: 10.8 and contact syncing with iOS?

[Jeff Bishop]

Alex,

 

That should already be done if all of your devices are using iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: 10.8 and contact syncing with iOS?

 

Hi all,

I am wondering if, with 10.8, my iPod and mac will start sharing contacts?
That is, the contacts on the iPod will be added to those on the mac and vice
versa? Or is this already possible? I have both machines set up on the same
iCloud account.

 

Have a great day,

Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)

mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap

 

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Re: 1 Message Conversation?

[Les Kriegler]

Well, one thing I've noticed is that when I ready by conversation and I get to 
the last message in the thread, text from another message in the thread is 
read.  I use VO-J to jump between the message list and text, and I delete each 
message when done reading.  So when I get to the last message, it's the only 
one left in the conversation, but the wrong text is read.  It's so annoying 
that for now, I've disabled reading by conversation.

Les
On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Really? The right arrow works for me to expand threads.
> 
> Brandon
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Doing that to me too.  Also, right arow no longer expands threads.  how in 
>> the world to address this?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday, and love it.
>>> 
>>> But now, mail seems to see 1 message as a conversation, because sometimes 
>>> it says, "1 message conversation collapsed disclosure triangle" when there 
>>> is obviously only 1 message in the conversation. But sometimes it doesn't 
>>> do this. Any idea why mail is doing this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon
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RE: Mountain Lion repeating information in finder

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi there! I just tried switching to column view, and that didn't work at all. 
All it says is a name and then selected. I like
list view, and the way it used to read was great. If I have to get used to this 
new way of it reading things, I will, but
unfortunately, column view is not a viable sollution to the problem. Thanks for 
the suggestion, though. I really appreciate
it.

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On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mountain Lion repeating information in finder

Ok.

Let me know how that works out for you.


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On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:

> Thanks! I'll try that. I always used list view before, at least I
> thought I did, but I'll see if switching to column view makes any difference.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mountain Lion repeating information in finder
>
> Hi,
>
> try changing your view from list to column by pressing command 3.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>
>> Hi, all. I couldn't think of a more concise way to sum up the problem
>> for the subject of this message. Actually, this isn't a problem as
>> much as an annoyance. If I'm in a finder window, it seems to be
>> telling me information twice. For example, if I'm scrolling down, it
>> might say something like "documents folder" followed by the date and
>> whatever else, and then it says folder again. Same for
> actual files. It says the file name, then what type of document it is,
> then the date info, and then what type of file it is again. I've looked 
> through verbosity settings, and can't seem to find
anything to fix this problem.
>> It could be that my short term memory is even more pitiful than
>> usual, and this is the way it's always read, but I don't think so. I
>> thought the file type info was only read after the date and stuff.
>> For
>> example: "documents July 26 12:10 PM folder" I don't know if I'm
>> explaining this right, but the bottom line is that file
> type information is being read twice, and I'd really appreciate it if
> someone had an idea how that could be fixed. Over all, I'm still loving 
> mountain lion, though.
>> The new features and improved start-up definitely cancel out any minor 
>> quirks I've encountered.
>> Missy
>>
>>
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Re: tab key in ML?

[Les Kriegler]

Okay, how does one accomplish dragging the folder to the Favorite Bar?  Is 
there a podcast on doing this?

Les
On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> you need to drag the trash folder into the favorites bar in Mail.  This 
> hasn't changed at all from Lion to Mountain Lion.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> Actually, there are only three numbered commands that seem to work.  Command 
>> 1 for Inbox, Command 2 for Sent and Command 3 for Drafts.  At least by 
>> default, that's what works.  I'd like to find a keystroke to take me to the 
>> Trash Folder.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:19 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, you could just stay in the messages table.
>>> 
>>> Now, your mileage may vary depending on how many email accounts you have.  
>>> I think what I'm about to tell you may be system dependent as well and 
>>> there's always the chance they broke it between system versions.
>>> 
>>> Anyhow, command 1 is for inbox.
>>> Command 3 is for drafts.
>>> Command 4 is for sent items.
>>> Command 5 is for trash.
>>> Command 6 is for junk.
>>> 
>>> So you can just stay sitting on the messages table and use command plus the 
>>> numbers to cycle.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting 
>>> at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-26, at 11:11 AM, brianna Snyder wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, 
 
 Yes, I have noticed this. I've been wondering about how I can either fix 
 this, or do something else to use mail as efficiently as I did before. I 
 don't like arrowing between the two tables. Any ideas on other ways to use 
 mail, or how to be able to use tab between the mailbox list and the 
 messages table would be appreciated. 
 
 Thanks, 
 Brianna 
 
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>> going from the message list, to the body of the message you want to 
>> read, but does not work going from the mailbox list, to the message 
>> list.  Or am I missing someing?
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Weird mail problem with Mountain Kitty

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys. 
I got Mountain Kitty installed just fine, even though it took forever. I'm 
really pleased that I could do the installation process myself, but I'm glad 
also that Les warned us about turning VoiceOver back on after a minute. I 
almost had heart failure when I pressed command 5 and nothing happened for a 
second or two. I did have to call that great 877 number last night because a 
program I thought I had uninstalled insisted on raising up its ugly head, even 
though I had—I thought—erased all of its files. That took us a while, and the 
man was very nice and knowledgeable about things. I discovered ast night that I 
had this weird mail problem, but we couldn't get to that last night. 

I can't get to all my mailboxes. The one where I have messages sent for this 
list is one of them. I will need to use iPhone to read anything from this list 
right now. I can get to my inbox and some others like archives. However, some 
of the ones I created I can't find. I don't think they're gone—I onepe—because 
I keep hearing the messages coming in, but I can't reach them unless they're in 
my inbox. Anybody got any ideas on this one? 


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Re: Bug when expanding mail messages

[Harry Hogue]

Hi, Tim,

i didn't notice a difference with the slider set to 100 percent, but what I did 
was to go into mail and say "expand all conversations," and at the moment that 
is making life easier.  At least I don't have to fight with it to expand and 
collapse messages.  I hope this helps someone else who may be struggling.

Harry

On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Even with the Preview pane gone, VO will read a couple lines of your message 
> due to the Conversation view.  I simply press enter/return on the message to 
> open it and cmd-w to close the conversation.
> 
> To get rid of the Preview pane, you need to move the Vertical Slider just to 
> the right of the Message Content area.  It needs to be moved all the way to 
> the right so that VO reads 100% and sometimes it will say closed disclosure 
> item.  I previously posted that simply moving it would do the trick in ML but 
> experienced a few frustrations with that method last evening on my iMac.  The 
> other method is double-clicking on this Vertical Slider, it must be the 
> physical mouse click, not the virtual one through VO.  I will investigate a 
> little further to try to find a more reliable and efficient way of doing it 
> with VO.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-07-25, at 11:53 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
> 
>> How do you close the preview pane?  That could be an interesting way to go 
>> about it, but I also rather like seeing a preview of the message before I 
>> read it.
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> When I use Mail, I have the preview pane completely closed so for me to 
>>> open messages individually or a whole thread, I use Command-O to open a new 
>>> window and Command-W to close and return me to the message list.  I did 
>>> this in Lion and I still do it in Mountain Lion.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
>>> 
 I just noticed that when expanding mail messages with VO-space bar, 
 sometimes the focus is in the wrong place, apparently, and it opens up the 
 "sort by menu" where you are able to sort by attachments, date, from, etc. 
  So far, my only complaint is that they took the expand mail messages 
 keystroke away for VoiceOver; I find this new one to be a bit awkward.
 
 Other than that, it's really pretty nice.
 
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Re: Weird mail problem with Mountain Kitty

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

You should see the "on my mac," mailboxes, and then hitting right-arrow will 
take you into that submenu.  From there, you can type the first letter of the 
box you want.  That's the change as it happened when I upgraded.


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Re: Braille Support Broken in Mountain Lion!

[Harry Hogue]

Hi, Steve,

I am using a BrailleNote over here, and it works fine with bluetooth.

Harry

On Jul 26, 2012, at 7:01 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> OK, I just hooked up my Refreshabraille via the USB cable and that seems to 
> be working.  So I have issues pairing the bluetooth side of things with this 
> braille display.  Makes me wonder if other bluetooth displays are 
> experiencing any similar problems.
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
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>> I'll get out my USB cable for the Refreshabraille to see if that makes any 
>> difference.  I just know the bluetooth seems broken here.  I also plan to 
>> call Apple today on it to see if any issue can be raised or if the pairing 
>> procedure might have changed some how.  It just disturbed me greatly when I 
>> heard stuff about being unable to load or find a driver for the device.
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:34 PM, Johanna Herranen 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I'm successfully using Baum VarioConnect 32 here with Mountain Lion. It's 
>>> connected via USB, but I could try Bluetooth too - out of curiosity. 
>>> Speaking of Braille suppor though, I wish one day they would fix all the 
>>> issues with International braille tables. 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 OK, but wait a minute.
 
 Can we be absolutely sure it's indeed braille display support in a whole 
 that is messed up?  Sounds like you're using a bluetooth display.  Could 
 it be that the issue only lies with BT displays, and not with regular 
 connected u s b's?
 
 I'll have my best friend tonight, if I get ahold of him try it with his PM 
 40 display.  It's not from the Omni, mind you, it's just the original 
 display, but I know for a definite it worked in Lion, as he just left here 
 from out of town about two days ago, and had the thing with him down here, 
 and it was working great on LIon at that time, so who knows about M L 
 though.  I hope it works, as if not, that'll be a deal breaker for him, 
 seeing that he's an interpretor/translator.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Steve Holmes" 
 
 To: 
 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:06 AM
 Subject: Braille Support Broken in Mountain Lion!
 
 
 I just tried to use my RefreshaBraille 18 display this evening and it 
 doesn't work here anymore.  First off, I had previously defined it under 
 Lion and successfully used it several times.  Tonight after the ML 
 install, it would never connect.  So then I removed the device from the 
 bluetooth list in the Braille device section of VO.  Then when I tried to 
 pair it back up, I kept getting an error that VO couldn't load a device 
 driver for this device.  Has anyone else had success getting any braille 
 displays to work under Mountain Lion?
 
 I will probably give Apple a call about this.  I sure hope they didn't 
 break support like they did with the Hims devices on IOS.  BTW, I never 
 got prompted to enter any pairing codes and I usually do when hooking up 
 the Refreshabraille display.
 
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Re: tab key in ML?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

yes.

I did a podcast covering this when Lion was released last year.  You can listen 
to it hear.
http://www.appletothecore.info/2012/01/apple-to-core-episode-3.html

hth

Ricardo Walker
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Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Okay, how does one accomplish dragging the folder to the Favorite Bar?  Is 
> there a podcast on doing this?
> 
> Les
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> you need to drag the trash folder into the favorites bar in Mail.  This 
>> hasn't changed at all from Lion to Mountain Lion.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
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>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> 
>>> Actually, there are only three numbered commands that seem to work.  
>>> Command 1 for Inbox, Command 2 for Sent and Command 3 for Drafts.  At least 
>>> by default, that's what works.  I'd like to find a keystroke to take me to 
>>> the Trash Folder.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:19 AM, erik burggraaf  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Well, you could just stay in the messages table.
 
 Now, your mileage may vary depending on how many email accounts you have.  
 I think what I'm about to tell you may be system dependent as well and 
 there's always the chance they broke it between system versions.
 
 Anyhow, command 1 is for inbox.
 Command 3 is for drafts.
 Command 4 is for sent items.
 Command 5 is for trash.
 Command 6 is for junk.
 
 So you can just stay sitting on the messages table and use command plus 
 the numbers to cycle.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting 
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 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2012-07-26, at 11:11 AM, brianna Snyder wrote:
 
> Hi, 
> 
> Yes, I have noticed this. I've been wondering about how I can either fix 
> this, or do something else to use mail as efficiently as I did before. I 
> don't like arrowing between the two tables. Any ideas on other ways to 
> use mail, or how to be able to use tab between the mailbox list and the 
> messages table would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Brianna 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Kliphton  wrote:
> 
>>> Has anyone experienced the tab key only have working in mail?  It works 
>>> going from the message list, to the body of the message you want to 
>>> read, but does not work going from the mailbox list, to the message 
>>> list.  Or am I missing someing?
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Re: 10.8 and contact syncing with iOS?

[Alex Hall]

Oh, that shows how much I use my mac's contacts app. :) Now that I know this, 
I'll be using it a whole lot more. Thanks.
On 26 Jul 2012, at 13:02, Jeff Bishop wrote:

> Alex,
>  
> That should already be done if all of your devices are using iCloud.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf OfAlex Hall
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 10.8 and contact syncing with iOS?
>  
> Hi all,
> I am wondering if, with 10.8, my iPod and mac will start sharing contacts? 
> That is, the contacts on the iPod will be added to those on the mac and vice 
> versa? Or is this already possible? I have both machines set up on the same 
> iCloud account.
>  
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: Is Twitter Down?

[Eric Oyen]

I had the same problem from home. the app I use asked for my password to login 
and that failed. so I tried my account from a web browser and got an error 500. 
looks like one of their back end handlers has had a fault.

-eric

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> Sorry for off topic post, but I can't seem to connect to twitter from
> my iPod nor a windows browser here at work.  either they are blocking
> access to twitter at my office or twitter is down.  any ideas?
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Re: Weird mail problem with Mountain Kitty

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi.
Is you're mailbox list expanded?
Go to you inbox which'll be at the top, and hit right arrow. THis'll expand the 
mailboxes for you.
HTH,
Matthew Campbell.


On 2012-07-26, at 1:09 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi guys. 
> I got Mountain Kitty installed just fine, even though it took forever. I'm 
> really pleased that I could do the installation process myself, but I'm glad 
> also that Les warned us about turning VoiceOver back on after a minute. I 
> almost had heart failure when I pressed command 5 and nothing happened for a 
> second or two. I did have to call that great 877 number last night because a 
> program I thought I had uninstalled insisted on raising up its ugly head, 
> even though I had—I thought—erased all of its files. That took us a while, 
> and the man was very nice and knowledgeable about things. I discovered ast 
> night that I had this weird mail problem, but we couldn't get to that last 
> night. 
> 
> I can't get to all my mailboxes. The one where I have messages sent for this 
> list is one of them. I will need to use iPhone to read anything from this 
> list right now. I can get to my inbox and some others like archives. However, 
> some of the ones I created I can't find. I don't think they're gone—I 
> onepe—because I keep hearing the messages coming in, but I can't reach them 
> unless they're in my inbox. Anybody got any ideas on this one? 
> 
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
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Re: Braille Support Broken in Mountain Lion!

[Gigi]

Hi guys
Well, the braille display is one problem I'll not have it. Actually, I'm doing 
pretty well except for the aforementioned email thing. I have a focus 40 which 
is not a Bluetooth. It is doing fine.
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> Hi, Steve,
> 
> I am using a BrailleNote over here, and it works fine with bluetooth.
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 7:01 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> OK, I just hooked up my Refreshabraille via the USB cable and that seems to 
>> be working.  So I have issues pairing the bluetooth side of things with this 
>> braille display.  Makes me wonder if other bluetooth displays are 
>> experiencing any similar problems.
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'll get out my USB cable for the Refreshabraille to see if that makes any 
>>> difference.  I just know the bluetooth seems broken here.  I also plan to 
>>> call Apple today on it to see if any issue can be raised or if the pairing 
>>> procedure might have changed some how.  It just disturbed me greatly when I 
>>> heard stuff about being unable to load or find a driver for the device.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:34 PM, Johanna Herranen 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi folks,
 I'm successfully using Baum VarioConnect 32 here with Mountain Lion. It's 
 connected via USB, but I could try Bluetooth too - out of curiosity. 
 Speaking of Braille suppor though, I wish one day they would fix all the 
 issues with International braille tables. 
 
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  wrote:
 
> OK, but wait a minute.
> 
> Can we be absolutely sure it's indeed braille display support in a whole 
> that is messed up?  Sounds like you're using a bluetooth display.  Could 
> it be that the issue only lies with BT displays, and not with regular 
> connected u s b's?

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Re: 1 Message Conversation?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Yeah, it seems to work now.  Have another question but I'll give it it's own 
subject line.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
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On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Really? The right arrow works for me to expand threads.
> 
> Brandon
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Doing that to me too.  Also, right arow no longer expands threads.  how in 
>> the world to address this?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday, and love it.
>>> 
>>> But now, mail seems to see 1 message as a conversation, because sometimes 
>>> it says, "1 message conversation collapsed disclosure triangle" when there 
>>> is obviously only 1 message in the conversation. But sometimes it doesn't 
>>> do this. Any idea why mail is doing this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon
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Drop Box issues

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay.

Didn't someone say we had access now to such things as the drop Box menu?  I 
can't seem to find it.  I look on the menu bar that comes up when I press 
control+F8 but cannot see it.  Worse yet, when I click on a file in the public 
folder off my Drop Box dolder which is off my Home folder, I focus on the file 
and open the short cut menu; but, cannot locate the Drop Box submenu.  Any 
thoughts?


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Re: Weird mail problem with Mountain Kitty

[Gigi]

Hi Mark
Thanks, but it didn't work. I think I've got some kind of weird view on here 
that is causing the problem.
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter  
wrote:

> You should see the "on my mac," mailboxes, and then hitting right-arrow will 
> take you into that submenu.  From there, you can type the first letter of the 
> box you want.  That's the change as it happened when I upgraded.
> 
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Re: Weird mail problem with Mountain Kitty

[Greg Aikens]

Hi,
I am having the same problem.  My inbox is expanded so that I see the separate 
inboxes for my separate accounts.  However, I can't see the list of folders 
under each account.  These used to appear below my trash folder in the list of 
mailboxes.  In Lion, I could hide these folders by clicking on a disclosure 
triangle for each account.  Using VO+down arrow on the list of mailboxes allows 
me to move past the trash folder to items with the names of my email accounts 
and a disclosure triangle.  When I interact with these items to try and press 
the triangle to expand the list, I can't.  VO+space, pressing enter, left and 
right arrows won't do it.  

Any other suggestions?

-Greg

On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Matthew Campbell  
wrote:

> Hi.
> Is you're mailbox list expanded?
> Go to you inbox which'll be at the top, and hit right arrow. THis'll expand 
> the mailboxes for you.
> HTH,
> Matthew Campbell.
> 
> 
> On 2012-07-26, at 1:09 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys. 
>> I got Mountain Kitty installed just fine, even though it took forever. I'm 
>> really pleased that I could do the installation process myself, but I'm glad 
>> also that Les warned us about turning VoiceOver back on after a minute. I 
>> almost had heart failure when I pressed command 5 and nothing happened for a 
>> second or two. I did have to call that great 877 number last night because a 
>> program I thought I had uninstalled insisted on raising up its ugly head, 
>> even though I had—I thought—erased all of its files. That took us a while, 
>> and the man was very nice and knowledgeable about things. I discovered ast 
>> night that I had this weird mail problem, but we couldn't get to that last 
>> night. 
>> 
>> I can't get to all my mailboxes. The one where I have messages sent for this 
>> list is one of them. I will need to use iPhone to read anything from this 
>> list right now. I can get to my inbox and some others like archives. 
>> However, some of the ones I created I can't find. I don't think they're 
>> gone—I onepe—because I keep hearing the messages coming in, but I can't 
>> reach them unless they're in my inbox. Anybody got any ideas on this one? 
>> 
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
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