Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Eric Oyen]

I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free in 
previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I DON'T THINK 
SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for more money, 
especially considering that their flagship product (windows 7) had such a poor 
showing over the last 4 years (millions of corporate machines still running XP).

-eric

On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

> This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend is 
> running an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com for pricing 
> details.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
> 
>> That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium. If 
>> it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I
>> might consider it, but it never used to be that way, and if that's the case, 
>> how is it possible that at least 1 person I've
>> talked to who is also using the free version is able to start in contacts 
>> like it used to do? I'm not trying to complain or
>> be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by this.
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>> 
>> I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas that 
>> this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype
>> not start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype 
>> Premium.
>> 
>> FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
>>> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1 complaint with skype 
>>> on the mac.
>>> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
>>> version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list. Ever 
>>> sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts
>> me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>>> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
>>> prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find my
>>> contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this
>>> is something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just aggravating enough
>>> that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only run it periodically 
>>> to check for updates in hopes that this issue
>> will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and again, and there 
>> simply isn't a way to configure how the program
>> starts.
>>> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they
>>> claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more than happy to
>>> disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but would
>>> rather not if I don't have to. I don't really understand the point of the 
>>> favorites thing either, and miss the simplicity
>> of the first mac version of skype I ever used. Sorry for the aimless 
>> rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.
>>> Missy
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries
>>> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> 
>>> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with 
>>> Skype Team.
>>> 
>>> Hi Kevin.
>>> 
>>> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the 
>>> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
>>> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the 
>>> Mac.
>>> 
>>> The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac 
>>> fixed?
>>> 
>>> If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to 
>>> get this sorted.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
As usual i disagree with this and with Cawals post. In my version of skype, 
which is the latest as far as i know, i always land where i want to land when 
Skype opens, if i have set the table to contacts, that is where i land next 
time i open Skype.
And as for the dial pad not being accessible, well there are buttons with the 
numbers clearly labeled on them and if that wasn't enough, there's a text field 
above the buttons where you can actually type in the number, so i can't 
understand what's inaccessible. Maybe i'm stupid or plain ignorant, wouldn't 
surprice me if i am, but those are my findings.
/Krister

30 apr 2012 kl. 23:16 skrev Missy Hoppe:

> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully, this 
> is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
> complaint with skype on the mac.
> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was version 5.1 
> or so, the program always started in the contacts
> list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on something 
> that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not prohibatively 
> difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
> my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this is 
> something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
> aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only 
> run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
> that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and 
> again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
> how the program starts.
> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they claim 
> that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but 
> would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
> really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss the 
> simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
> used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries
> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> 
> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with 
> Skype Team.
> 
> Hi Kevin.
> 
> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the 
> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the Mac.
> 
> The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac 
> fixed?
> 
> If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to get 
> this sorted.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Krister Ekstrom]

What i don't fathom with the Skype home portion of Skype is how you post 
something to facebook without changing mood message in Skype as well. Seems if 
you post something to Facebook, you also set it as your mood message, and 
changing mood message many times a minute is in my opinion pointless, at least 
it seems so.
/Krister

30 apr 2012 kl. 23:30 skrev Mark BurningHawk Baxter:

> What's even weirder is that, if you compare the Skype home pane's information 
> to that available on the main site, many status changes simply don't show up 
> on the Skype home page.  Maybe it only reports status changes for Skype and 
> Facebook users, but that seems a bit limited.  In point of fact, I rarely use 
> Skype Home, unless I want to post something quickly to FB.
> 
> As for navigating back to the "recent," subheading of the table at the top, I 
> never found it much of a chore one way or the other.  If you Interact with 
> the table below the tool bar and arrow *down*, past the favorites sublevel, 
> all recent activity is displayed.  I wish they would make the "missed event," 
> counter last longer, though.
> 
> 
> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
> • My home page:
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Krister Ekstrom]

What i wonder about skype is this: When i am in a conference and someone wants 
to praticipate and calls me how can i then add them to the conference, and i'm 
not talking about when i'm about to call someone or if i want to add someone by 
calling them, i'm talking about when someone calls in and i get a dialog saying 
"answer" or "decline". Is there a way today and if so how do you do it? If not, 
will there be a way?
/Krister

1 maj 2012 kl. 00:08 skrev Kevin Chao:

> I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas that 
> this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype not start at Home, rather 
> your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype Premium.
> 
> FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully, this 
>> is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
>> complaint with skype on the mac.
>> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was version 5.1 
>> or so, the program always started in the contacts
>> list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on 
>> something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not prohibatively 
>> difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
>> my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this is 
>> something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
>> aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only 
>> run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
>> that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and 
>> again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
>> how the program starts.
>> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they claim 
>> that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
>> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, 
>> but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
>> really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss the 
>> simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
>> used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.
>> Missy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
>> To: macvisionaries
>> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>> 
>> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with 
>> Skype Team.
>> 
>> Hi Kevin.
>> 
>> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the 
>> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
>> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the Mac.
>> 
>> The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac 
>> fixed?
>> 
>> If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to get 
>> this sorted.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Ray Foret Jr]

I believe there is a way.  You add someone to the call by adding them in the 
usual way; or so I suppose.  Gonna have to play with it later to make sure.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On May 1, 2012, at 4:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> What i wonder about skype is this: When i am in a conference and someone 
> wants to praticipate and calls me how can i then add them to the conference, 
> and i'm not talking about when i'm about to call someone or if i want to add 
> someone by calling them, i'm talking about when someone calls in and i get a 
> dialog saying "answer" or "decline". Is there a way today and if so how do 
> you do it? If not, will there be a way?
> /Krister
> 
> 1 maj 2012 kl. 00:08 skrev Kevin Chao:
> 
>> I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas that 
>> this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype not start at Home, rather 
>> your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype Premium.
>> 
>> FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully, this 
>>> is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
>>> complaint with skype on the mac.
>>> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was version 5.1 
>>> or so, the program always started in the contacts
>>> list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on 
>>> something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>>> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not prohibatively 
>>> difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
>>> my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this is 
>>> something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
>>> aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only 
>>> run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
>>> that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and 
>>> again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
>>> how the program starts.
>>> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they claim 
>>> that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
>>> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, 
>>> but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
>>> really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss the 
>>> simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
>>> used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.
>>> Missy
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries
>>> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> 
>>> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with 
>>> Skype Team.
>>> 
>>> Hi Kevin.
>>> 
>>> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the 
>>> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
>>> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the 
>>> Mac.
>>> 
>>> The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac 
>>> fixed?
>>> 
>>> If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to 
>>> get this sorted.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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Soundstudio help

[Matt Dierckens]

Hi folks, I'm messing around with soundstudio and it looks really nice. 
However, I can't seem to figure out how to edit with it. Such as, marking 
position, and setting a marker. Any help on or off list is appreciated. Thank 
you. :)

Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692
msn: matt...@live.com
skype: blindman3221

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Re: Sip Phone for Mac (was RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Emrah]

Blink Pro is a more sophisticated alternative with fabulous support for 
conferencing and extremely accessible.
On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:

> Yep. It's simply called Telephone.
> 
>  
> > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:03:15 -0700
> > Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> > From: steve.holme...@gmail.com
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > 
> > In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the Mac
> > which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the command
> > line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is one. Skype
> > may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP is more
> > universal. SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out there.
> > 
> > On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> > > Ok.
> > >
> > > I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on my Mac 
> > > but
> > > there is no edit field as there use to be when I first acquired the mac.
> > > Can this be brought back?
> > >
> > > Kawal.
> > >
> > > On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
> > >> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
> > >> complaint with skype on the mac.
> > >> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was version
> > >> 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts
> > >> list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on
> > >> something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
> > >> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not prohibatively
> > >> difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
> > >> my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this 
> > >> is
> > >> something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
> > >> aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and 
> > >> only
> > >> run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
> > >> that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and
> > >> again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
> > >> how the program starts.
> > >> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they 
> > >> claim
> > >> that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
> > >> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem,
> > >> but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
> > >> really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss the
> > >> simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
> > >> used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to
> > >> someone.
> > >> Missy
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> > >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
> > >> To: macvisionaries
> > >> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> > >>
> > >> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac 
> > >> with
> > >> Skype Team.
> > >>
> > >> Hi Kevin.
> > >>
> > >> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had 
> > >> the
> > >> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
> > >> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the
> > >> Mac.
> > >>
> > >> The dial pad is inaccessible. Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac
> > >> fixed?
> > >>
> > >> If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to
> > >> get this sorted.
> > >>
> > >> Kawal.
> > >>
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Re: Word count in Pages

[Hai Nguyen Ly]

Hi Mike:
Since Anne answered all of your questions, I'd like to suggest a work-around 
for the first one. While it's possible to find out word count information in 
the document inspector, you might find it easier to associate the following 
Apple script with a keyboard shortcut. This would allow you to query for the 
information without needing to navigate away from the document text area.
I hope this helps.

***
on isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript()
set isRunning to true

-- is AppleScript enabled on VoiceOver --
tell application "VoiceOver"
try
set x to bounds of vo cursor
on error
set isRunning to false
end try
end tell
return isRunning
end isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript
tell document 1 of application "Pages"
set wordcount to the (count of words) as text
set charactercount to the (count of characters) as text
"delay 0.5"
say wordcount & " words and " & charactercount & " characters"
end tell


On Apr 30, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Michael Malarsie wrote:

> Greetings!
>   Can someone tell me how to find the word count in pages? Also, is there 
> a shortcut to start the spell check? 
>   Lastly, is there a way to change the program itself to Spanish instead 
> of English?
>   Thanks ya'll!
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
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voiceover won't cooperate

[Jenny Keller]

Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the only 
reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.

Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into the 
system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set to go 
directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a box that 
since voice over won't come on either automatically or with command F5 I don't 
know what is going on.

It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down properly, 
and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.

What on earth is going on?

Jenny

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accessing Facebook info from command line

[Venkatesh Potluri]

Hi
I want to build a text-only Facebook client that can be used either
through an HTML interface or a command line interface that can be used
from the terminal. I wish to know if it is possible to access a user's
notifications, messages, request, etc and do small things like post
status updates using c, python, bash scripts, or html. It would be
great if you could point me to an appropriate resource to get started.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hmm!

I know I have the latest version of Skype, and mine always starts in the 
contact list.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Oyen" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?


I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free in 
previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I DON'T 
THINK SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for more money, 
especially considering that their flagship product (windows 7) had such a 
poor showing over the last 4 years (millions of corporate machines still 
running XP).


-eric

On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend is 
running an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com for 
pricing details.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:

That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium. 
If it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I
might consider it, but it never used to be that way, and if that's the 
case, how is it possible that at least 1 person I've
talked to who is also using the free version is able to start in contacts 
like it used to do? I'm not trying to complain or

be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by this.
Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas 
that this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype
not start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype 
Premium.


FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:


Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1 complaint with 
skype on the mac.

When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list. Ever 
sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts

me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.

It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find my
contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this
is something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just aggravating enough
that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only run it 
periodically to check for updates in hopes that this issue
will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and again, and 
there simply isn't a way to configure how the program

starts.

To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they
claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more than happy to
disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but would
rather not if I don't have to. I don't really understand the point of 
the favorites thing either, and miss the simplicity
of the first mac version of skype I ever used. Sorry for the aimless 
rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.

Missy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
To: macvisionaries
Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac 
with Skype Team.


Hi Kevin.

I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had 
the program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the 
Mac.


The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac 
fixed?


If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to 
get this sorted.


Kawal.

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Re: Soundstudio help

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

The last that I heard, Soundstudio was not very accessible as far as 
editting.


Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

This is why I personally use ProTools, but that may be over kill for what 
you're trying to do, as well as for your wallet.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Dierckens" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:57 AM
Subject: Soundstudio help


Hi folks, I'm messing around with soundstudio and it looks really nice. 
However, I can't seem to figure out how to edit with it. Such as, marking 
position, and setting a marker. Any help on or off list is appreciated. 
Thank you. :)


Matt
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Re: Sip Phone for Mac (was RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I use Express Talk Pro.  It is so ridiculously accessible I had it figured 
out in less than 5 minutes literally.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Emrah" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Sip Phone for Mac (was RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)


Blink Pro is a more sophisticated alternative with fabulous support for 
conferencing and extremely accessible.

On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:


Yep. It's simply called Telephone.


> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:03:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> From: steve.holme...@gmail.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>
> In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the Mac
> which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the command
> line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is one. Skype
> may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP is more
> universal. SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out there.
>
> On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> > Ok.
> >
> > I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on my 
> > Mac but
> > there is no edit field as there use to be when I first acquired the 
> > mac.

> > Can this be brought back?
> >
> > Kawal.
> >
> > On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe  
> > wrote:

> >
> >> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. 
> >> Hopefully,

> >> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
> >> complaint with skype on the mac.
> >> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was 
> >> version

> >> 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts
> >> list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on
> >> something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
> >> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not 
> >> prohibatively

> >> difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
> >> my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that 
> >> this is

> >> something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
> >> aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, 
> >> and only

> >> run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
> >> that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences 
> >> time and

> >> again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
> >> how the program starts.
> >> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they 
> >> claim

> >> that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
> >> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the 
> >> problem,

> >> but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
> >> really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss 
> >> the

> >> simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
> >> used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to
> >> someone.
> >> Missy
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
> >> Gucukoglu

> >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
> >> To: macvisionaries
> >> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> >>
> >> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the 
> >> Mac with

> >> Skype Team.
> >>
> >> Hi Kevin.
> >>
> >> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google 
> >> had the

> >> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
> >> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on 
> >> the

> >> Mac.
> >>
> >> The dial pad is inaccessible. Is there any way of getting Skype for 
> >> Mac

> >> fixed?
> >>
> >> If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is 
> >> going to

> >> get this sorted.
> >>
> >> Kawal.
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What version of OSX are you using, first of all?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jenny Keller" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:26 AM
Subject: voiceover won't cooperate


Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the only 
reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.


Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into 
the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set 
to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a 
box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with command 
F5 I don't know what is going on.


It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down properly, 
and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.


What on earth is going on?

Jenny

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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jenny Keller]

Lion, the latest version.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> What version of OSX are you using, first of all?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jenny Keller" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:26 AM
> Subject: voiceover won't cooperate
> 
> 
> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the only 
> reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
> 
> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into the 
> system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set to go 
> directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a box 
> that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with command F5 I 
> don't know what is going on.
> 
> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down properly, 
> and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
> 
> What on earth is going on?
> 
> Jenny
> 
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Re: accessing Facebook info from command line

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

This already exists.

I don't know if macports will let you set it up on the mac, though.

See this page:

http://stormdragon.us/?p=223

If this doesn't work for some reason, then just go to

http://www.stormdragon.us

Then use heading navigation, and scroll down and you should see about the 
fourth post down is the one you need.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Venkatesh Potluri" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:35 AM
Subject: accessing Facebook info from command line



Hi
I want to build a text-only Facebook client that can be used either
through an HTML interface or a command line interface that can be used
from the terminal. I wish to know if it is possible to access a user's
notifications, messages, request, etc and do small things like post
status updates using c, python, bash scripts, or html. It would be
great if you could point me to an appropriate resource to get started.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Venkatesh Potluri

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RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Missy Hoppe]

Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't get it to start up in the contacts 
list are doing wrong? Is yours connected to
facebook? This is getting curiouser and curiouser. I'm still irritated by the 
idea that this is supposedly a premium feature,
when it should just be a given option if desired. Not sure I'm articulating 
that right, but how can having the program start
somewhere that's actually  be considered a premium? That should count as basic 
functionality, and for those who are able to
get it started in the contacts list, I'd love to know what they're doing 
differently, so I can try to fix mine.
Missy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

Hmm!

I know I have the latest version of Skype, and mine always starts in the 
contact list.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?


I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free in
previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I DON'T
THINK SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for more money,
especially considering that their flagship product (windows 7) had such a
poor showing over the last 4 years (millions of corporate machines still
running XP).

-eric

On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

> This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend is
> running an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com for
> pricing details.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>
>> That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium.
>> If it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I
>> might consider it, but it never used to be that way, and if that's the
>> case, how is it possible that at least 1 person I've
>> talked to who is also using the free version is able to start in contacts
>> like it used to do? I'm not trying to complain or
>> be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by this.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>
>> I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas
>> that this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype
>> not start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype
>> Premium.
>>
>> FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
>>> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1 complaint with
>>> skype on the mac.
>>> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
>>> version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list. Ever
>>> sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts
>> me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>>> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
>>> prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find my
>>> contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this
>>> is something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just aggravating enough
>>> that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only run it
>>> periodically to check for updates in hopes that this issue
>> will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and again, and
>> there simply isn't a way to configure how the program
>> starts.
>>> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they
>>> claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more than happy to
>>> disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but would
>>> rather not if I don't have to. I don't really understand the point of
>>> the favorites thing either, and miss the simplicity
>> of the first mac version of skype I ever used. Sorry for the aimless
>> rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.
>>> Missy
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries
>>> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>>
>>> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac
>>> with Skype Team.
>>>
>>> Hi Kevin.
>>>
>>> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had
>>> the program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
>>> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the
>>> Mac.
>>>
>>> The dial pad i

Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Jenny Keller]

I can't get it to start in the contact list either, but there are a lot of 
things that my mac does that don't make sense.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't get it to start up in the contacts 
> list are doing wrong? Is yours connected to
> facebook? This is getting curiouser and curiouser. I'm still irritated by the 
> idea that this is supposedly a premium feature,
> when it should just be a given option if desired. Not sure I'm articulating 
> that right, but how can having the program start
> somewhere that's actually  be considered a premium? That should count as 
> basic functionality, and for those who are able to
> get it started in the contacts list, I'd love to know what they're doing 
> differently, so I can try to fix mine.
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> 
> Hmm!
> 
> I know I have the latest version of Skype, and mine always starts in the 
> contact list.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eric Oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> 
> 
> I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free in
> previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I DON'T
> THINK SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for more money,
> especially considering that their flagship product (windows 7) had such a
> poor showing over the last 4 years (millions of corporate machines still
> running XP).
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
> 
>> This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend is
>> running an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com for
>> pricing details.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>> 
>>> That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium.
>>> If it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I
>>> might consider it, but it never used to be that way, and if that's the
>>> case, how is it possible that at least 1 person I've
>>> talked to who is also using the free version is able to start in contacts
>>> like it used to do? I'm not trying to complain or
>>> be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by this.
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> 
>>> I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas
>>> that this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype
>>> not start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype
>>> Premium.
>>> 
>>> FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
 this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1 complaint with
 skype on the mac.
 When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
 version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list. Ever
 sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts
>>> me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
 It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
 prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find my
 contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this
 is something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just aggravating enough
 that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only run it
 periodically to check for updates in hopes that this issue
>>> will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and again, and
>>> there simply isn't a way to configure how the program
>>> starts.
 To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they
 claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more than happy to
 disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but would
 rather not if I don't have to. I don't really understand the point of
 the favorites thing either, and miss the simplicity
>>> of the first mac version of skype I ever used. Sorry for the aimless
>>> rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.
 Missy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
 To: macvisionaries
 Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
 
 Thi

Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Red.Falcon]

I'm with the people who get the home screen!
And I cannot see how to make it contacts only either!
I do have it tied to facebook!
Colin

On 1 May 2012, at 16:51, Jenny Keller wrote:

> I can't get it to start in the contact list either, but there are a lot of 
> things that my mac does that don't make sense.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
> 
>> Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't get it to start up in the contacts 
>> list are doing wrong? Is yours connected to
>> facebook? This is getting curiouser and curiouser. I'm still irritated by 
>> the idea that this is supposedly a premium feature,
>> when it should just be a given option if desired. Not sure I'm articulating 
>> that right, but how can having the program start
>> somewhere that's actually  be considered a premium? That should count as 
>> basic functionality, and for those who are able to
>> get it started in the contacts list, I'd love to know what they're doing 
>> differently, so I can try to fix mine.
>> Missy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:39 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>> 
>> Hmm!
>> 
>> I know I have the latest version of Skype, and mine always starts in the 
>> contact list.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Eric Oyen" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>> 
>> 
>> I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free in
>> previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I DON'T
>> THINK SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for more money,
>> especially considering that their flagship product (windows 7) had such a
>> poor showing over the last 4 years (millions of corporate machines still
>> running XP).
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> 
>>> This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend is
>>> running an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com for
>>> pricing details.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>>> 
 That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium.
 If it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I
 might consider it, but it never used to be that way, and if that's the
 case, how is it possible that at least 1 person I've
 talked to who is also using the free version is able to start in contacts
 like it used to do? I'm not trying to complain or
 be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by this.
 Thanks!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
 
 I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas
 that this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype
 not start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype
 Premium.
 
 FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
 
> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1 complaint with
> skype on the mac.
> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
> version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list. Ever
> sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts
 me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
> prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find my
> contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this
> is something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just aggravating enough
> that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only run it
> periodically to check for updates in hopes that this issue
 will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and again, and
 there simply isn't a way to configure how the program
 starts.
> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they
> claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more than happy to
> disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but would
> rather not if I don't have to. I don't really understand the point of
> the favorites thing either, and miss the simplicity
 of the first mac version of skype I ever used. Sorry for the aimless
 rambling, but I hope it makes sense to som

Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Steve Holmes]

You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
monitor connected, VO woldn't start automatically after I logged in
but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
thing different with my settup from yours is I intentionally have my
machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
All that is fine here.

If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.

I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
anyone answering it either.

On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the only
> reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
>
> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into
> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set
> to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a
> box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with command
> F5 I don't know what is going on.
>
> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down properly,
> and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
>
> What on earth is going on?
>
> Jenny
>
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Maxwell Ivey]

hello; how much space do you have free on your hard drive?  when my last 
macbook's drive was mostly full it would cause weird behavior from voiceover.  
just a thought, max 
On May 1, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> Lion, the latest version.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> What version of OSX are you using, first of all?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Jenny Keller" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:26 AM
>> Subject: voiceover won't cooperate
>> 
>> 
>> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the only 
>> reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
>> 
>> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into 
>> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set 
>> to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a 
>> box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with command 
>> F5 I don't know what is going on.
>> 
>> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down properly, 
>> and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
>> 
>> What on earth is going on?
>> 
>> Jenny
>> 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Jenny Keller]

I don't have mine tied to facebook, so I still don't know what the issue is.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> I'm with the people who get the home screen!
> And I cannot see how to make it contacts only either!
> I do have it tied to facebook!
> Colin
> 
> On 1 May 2012, at 16:51, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> I can't get it to start in the contact list either, but there are a lot of 
>> things that my mac does that don't make sense.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't get it to start up in the contacts 
>>> list are doing wrong? Is yours connected to
>>> facebook? This is getting curiouser and curiouser. I'm still irritated by 
>>> the idea that this is supposedly a premium feature,
>>> when it should just be a given option if desired. Not sure I'm articulating 
>>> that right, but how can having the program start
>>> somewhere that's actually  be considered a premium? That should count as 
>>> basic functionality, and for those who are able to
>>> get it started in the contacts list, I'd love to know what they're doing 
>>> differently, so I can try to fix mine.
>>> Missy
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>> Gilland
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:39 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> 
>>> Hmm!
>>> 
>>> I know I have the latest version of Skype, and mine always starts in the 
>>> contact list.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Eric Oyen" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free in
>>> previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I DON'T
>>> THINK SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for more money,
>>> especially considering that their flagship product (windows 7) had such a
>>> poor showing over the last 4 years (millions of corporate machines still
>>> running XP).
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>> 
 This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend is
 running an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com for
 pricing details.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
 
> That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium.
> If it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I
> might consider it, but it never used to be that way, and if that's the
> case, how is it possible that at least 1 person I've
> talked to who is also using the free version is able to start in contacts
> like it used to do? I'm not trying to complain or
> be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by this.
> Thanks!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> 
> I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas
> that this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype
> not start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype
> Premium.
> 
> FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
>> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1 complaint with
>> skype on the mac.
>> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
>> version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list. Ever
>> sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts
> me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
>> prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find my
>> contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this
>> is something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just aggravating enough
>> that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only run it
>> periodically to check for updates in hopes that this issue
> will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and again, and
> there simply isn't a way to configure how the program
> starts.
>> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they
>> claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more than happy to
>> disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but would

Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jenny Keller]

Oh boy, that's not in my budget.

I guess I'll just have to deal with it.

I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.

I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.

I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to the 
town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for them to look at 
it, uch less fix it.

Crap.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
> Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
> monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in
> but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
> thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my
> machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
> the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
> properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
> to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
> All that is fine here.
> 
> If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
> it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
> it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
> 
> I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
> anyone answering it either.
> 
> On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the only
>> reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
>> 
>> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into
>> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set
>> to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a
>> box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with command
>> F5 I don't know what is going on.
>> 
>> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down properly,
>> and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
>> 
>> What on earth is going on?
>> 
>> Jenny
>> 
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jenny Keller]

How do I check it?

I don't put anything on my computer like music or anything, just documents.  

Please tell me how to look this up.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:

> hello; how much space do you have free on your hard drive?  when my last 
> macbook's drive was mostly full it would cause weird behavior from voiceover. 
>  just a thought, max 
> On May 1, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> Lion, the latest version.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> What version of OSX are you using, first of all?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Jenny Keller" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:26 AM
>>> Subject: voiceover won't cooperate
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the 
>>> only reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into 
>>> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set 
>>> to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a 
>>> box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with 
>>> command F5 I don't know what is going on.
>>> 
>>> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down 
>>> properly, and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all 
>>> is well.
>>> 
>>> What on earth is going on?
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> 
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Re: ColorVisor, color identifier for iPhone

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

Hello Jan,

If you are interested in developing an app with a ready market, I suggest a 
reasonably priced OCR APP for the iPhone.  You may know that Kurzweil has 
developed such an app for the National Federation of the Blind, but it costs 
over $1000 and is not available on the iPhone.

Just thought you might be interested, as a developer.

Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano
On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:

Hallo MacVisionaries,

my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My app 
ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their needs. 
VoiceOver is fully supported.

You will find the app on the App Store at
http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor

More information about the app can be found on my web site at
http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/

and there is an AppleVis app test at
http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor

Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in general 
are very much appreciated.

Greetings from Dresden (Germany)

Jan Blueher

---
ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
Now available on the iTunes App Store:
http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1
---
Dr. Jan Blüher
visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone
Bayreuther Str. 2
D-01187 Dresden
Germany

phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
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Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps

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Re: problems with vm fusion 4, help!

[Lavendar]

oglem of not having any arrow keys in fusion?  After I installed
fusion 4, my arrow keys aren't working properly.  I think they are now
conflicting with mission control or something like that.  I can't
recall how to fix this..

Thanks,
Cait


On Apr 28, 11:08 am, Caitlyn Furness 
wrote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone help withvmfusion4?
>
> I had to reinstall it and now nothing is working like before.  For instance, 
> there is no menu bar when I do vo m.
>
> I am running a trial version offusionsince I was thinking that maybe the 
> version I had before wasn't playing nice with lion.  this is only the tip of 
> the iceberg here, but this is  start of theproblemsI am having.  I probably 
> need to make changes to my virtual machine, but without the menu bar, it's 
> very difficult.  Also, the virtual machine lots of times doesn't shut down 
> totally, it seems to hang.  I have to restart the mac or force shut 
> downvmfusionto clear this out.
>
> Thanks,
> Caitlyn

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Problem with the app store on the iPhone

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys, especially the folks at Accessibility 
I just tried to download Jan's app. I didn't expect this to be a problem at 
all. I can accept that I may need to reset my iPhone because it demanded 
security questions which it never did before. Ok, fine. However, I was supposed 
to fill out three, but dumb did one. However, when it caste back with the 
prompt, it said "The items in red b" not been completed." I gave up for now 
until I have time to figure out things. 

Irritated for the moment, 
Gigi 

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:

> Hallo MacVisionaries,
> 
> my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My app 
> ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their needs. 
> VoiceOver is fully supported.
> 
> You will find the app on the App Store at
> http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor
> 
> More information about the app can be found on my web site at
> http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/
> 
> and there is an AppleVis app test at
> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor
> 
> Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in 
> general are very much appreciated.
> 
> Greetings from Dresden (Germany)
> 
> Jan Blueher
> 
> ---
> ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
> Now available on the iTunes App Store:
> http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1
> ---
> Dr. Jan Blüher
> visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone
> Bayreuther Str. 2
> D-01187 Dresden
> Germany
> 
> phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
> mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
> e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
> web: http://visorApps.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps
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RE: Problem with the app store on the iPhone

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

 

The security questions are an extra precaution against Apple ID theft, and
other such security breeches. You have to fill out all 3 before you can
download anything at all.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Problem with the app store on the iPhone

 

Hi guys, especially the folks at Accessibility 

I just tried to download Jan's app. I didn't expect this to be a problem at
all. I can accept that I may need to reset my iPhone because it demanded
security questions which it never did before. Ok, fine. However, I was
supposed to fill out three, but dumb did one. However, when it caste back
with the prompt, it said "The items in red b" not been completed." I gave up
for now until I have time to figure out things. 

 

Irritated for the moment, 

Gigi 

 

Eugenia Firth

gigifi...@sbcglobal.net

 

 

 

On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:





Hallo MacVisionaries,

 

my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My
app ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their
needs. VoiceOver is fully supported.

 

You will find the app on the App Store at

http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor

 

More information about the app can be found on my web site at

http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/

 

and there is an AppleVis app test at

http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor

 

Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in
general are very much appreciated.

 

Greetings from Dresden (Germany)

 

Jan Blueher

 

---

ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.

Now available on the iTunes App Store:

http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8
 &ls=1

---

Dr. Jan Blüher

visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone

Bayreuther Str. 2

D-01187 Dresden

Germany

 

phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907

mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242

e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com

web: http://visorApps.com  

Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps

 

tax number: DE281706766

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: ColorVisor, color identifier for iPhone

[Alex Hall]

May I email you off-list? I am interested in developing iOS apps, but
XCode is confusing (plus I have a few other questions). Thanks in
advance!

On 5/1/12, Bejarano, Rafael P.  wrote:
> Hello Jan,
>
> If you are interested in developing an app with a ready market, I suggest a
> reasonably priced OCR APP for the iPhone.  You may know that Kurzweil has
> developed such an app for the National Federation of the Blind, but it costs
> over $1000 and is not available on the iPhone.
>
> Just thought you might be interested, as a developer.
>
> Cordially,
> Rafael Bejarano
> On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:
>
> Hallo MacVisionaries,
>
> my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My
> app ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their
> needs. VoiceOver is fully supported.
>
> You will find the app on the App Store at
> http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor
>
> More information about the app can be found on my web site at
> http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/
>
> and there is an AppleVis app test at
> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor
>
> Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in
> general are very much appreciated.
>
> Greetings from Dresden (Germany)
>
> Jan Blueher
>
> ---
> ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
> Now available on the iTunes App Store:
> http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1
> ---
> Dr. Jan Blüher
> visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone
> Bayreuther Str. 2
> D-01187 Dresden
> Germany
>
> phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
> mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
> e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
> web: http://visorApps.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps
>
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Re: Problem with the app store on the iPhone

[Eugenia Firth]

Ok, but I can't figure out which ones it wants. I remember putting in questions 
at one point when I set up things, but knows which of those checkbox things I 
did. If the ones I am supposed to check for the answer are in red, I'm in 
trouble since I can't ee the screen and there is no hint from VoiceOver on it. 


Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On May 1, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> The security questions are an extra precaution against Apple ID theft, and 
> other such security breeches. You have to fill out all 3 before you can 
> download anything at all.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfEugenia Firth
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Problem with the app store on the iPhone
>  
> Hi guys, especially the folks at Accessibility 
> I just tried to download Jan's app. I didn't expect this to be a problem at 
> all. I can accept that I may need to reset my iPhone because it demanded 
> security questions which it never did before. Ok, fine. However, I was 
> supposed to fill out three, but dumb did one. However, when it caste back 
> with the prompt, it said "The items in red b" not been completed." I gave up 
> for now until I have time to figure out things. 
>  
> Irritated for the moment, 
> Gigi 
>  
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>  
>  
>  
> On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:
> 
> 
> Hallo MacVisionaries,
>  
> my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My app 
> ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their needs. 
> VoiceOver is fully supported.
>  
> You will find the app on the App Store at
> http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor
>  
> More information about the app can be found on my web site at
> http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/
>  
> and there is an AppleVis app test at
> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor
>  
> Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in 
> general are very much appreciated.
>  
> Greetings from Dresden (Germany)
>  
> Jan Blueher
>  
> ---
> ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
> Now available on the iTunes App Store:
> http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1
> ---
> Dr. Jan Blüher
> visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone
> Bayreuther Str. 2
> D-01187 Dresden
> Germany
>  
> phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
> mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
> e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
> web: http://visorApps.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps
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RE: Problem with the app store on the iPhone

[Daniel Miller]

No no. You pick questions with the 3 picker items, and then fill in the
answers to each.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problem with the app store on the iPhone

 

Ok, but I can't figure out which ones it wants. I remember putting in
questions at one point when I set up things, but knows which of those
checkbox things I did. If the ones I am supposed to check for the answer are
in red, I'm in trouble since I can't ee the screen and there is no hint from
VoiceOver on it. 

 

 

Eugenia Firth

gigifi...@sbcglobal.net

 

 

 

On May 1, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:





Hi,

 

The security questions are an extra precaution against Apple ID theft, and
other such security breeches. You have to fill out all 3 before you can
download anything at all.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfEugenia Firth
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Problem with the app store on the iPhone

 

Hi guys, especially the folks at Accessibility 

I just tried to download Jan's app. I didn't expect this to be a problem at
all. I can accept that I may need to reset my iPhone because it demanded
security questions which it never did before. Ok, fine. However, I was
supposed to fill out three, but dumb did one. However, when it caste back
with the prompt, it said "The items in red b" not been completed." I gave up
for now until I have time to figure out things. 

 

Irritated for the moment, 

Gigi 

 

Eugenia Firth

gigifi...@sbcglobal.net

 

 

 

On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:






Hallo MacVisionaries,

 

my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My
app ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their
needs. VoiceOver is fully supported.

 

You will find the app on the App Store at

http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor

 

More information about the app can be found on my web site at

http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/

 

and there is an AppleVis app test at

http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor

 

Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in
general are very much appreciated.

 

Greetings from Dresden (Germany)

 

Jan Blueher

 

---

ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.

Now available on the iTunes App Store:

http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8
 &ls=1

---

Dr. Jan Blüher

visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone

Bayreuther Str. 2

D-01187 Dresden

Germany

 

phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907

mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242

e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com

web: http://visorApps.com  

Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps

 

tax number: DE281706766

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Maxwell Ivey]

hi there;  i understand about not being able to make the trip, but most of the 
times we took my last computer in they didn't even charge me.  there is a new 
800 number for voiceover issues.  i don't have it on hand, but someone on the 
list can give it to you.  perhaps they could help you trouble shoot this.  take 
care, max 
On May 1, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
> 
> I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
> 
> I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
> 
> I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
> 
> I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to the 
> town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for them to look 
> at it, uch less fix it.
> 
> Crap.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
> 
>> You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
>> Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
>> monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in
>> but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
>> thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my
>> machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
>> the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
>> properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
>> to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
>> All that is fine here.
>> 
>> If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
>> it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
>> it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
>> 
>> I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
>> anyone answering it either.
>> 
>> On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>>> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the only
>>> reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
>>> 
>>> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into
>>> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set
>>> to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a
>>> box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with command
>>> F5 I don't know what is going on.
>>> 
>>> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down properly,
>>> and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
>>> 
>>> What on earth is going on?
>>> 
>>> Jenny
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Maxwell Ivey]

go to the desktop where it says mac hd and use the command i for inspector.  
then right arrow until it gives you the available space.  but if you don't 
download movies or music, then that probably wasn't the problem. take care, max 
On May 1, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> How do I check it?
> 
> I don't put anything on my computer like music or anything, just documents.  
> 
> Please tell me how to look this up.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
> 
>> hello; how much space do you have free on your hard drive?  when my last 
>> macbook's drive was mostly full it would cause weird behavior from 
>> voiceover.  just a thought, max 
>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> Lion, the latest version.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> 
 What version of OSX are you using, first of all?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Jenny Keller" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:26 AM
 Subject: voiceover won't cooperate
 
 
 Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the 
 only reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see 
 it.
 
 Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into 
 the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's 
 set to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there 
 is a box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with 
 command F5 I don't know what is going on.
 
 It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down 
 properly, and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all 
 is well.
 
 What on earth is going on?
 
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RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Lisette wesseling]

Hi folks
My husband and I got our macs only recently and I have just joined this list.
My skype starts in the home screen, but  my husband's starts in the contacts 
table. The only difference between us is that he has skype credits and 
voicemail activated, and I don't. Could this be the reason? We have compared 
our mac settings and can't see why our skype would start in different places. 
Neither of us have it connected to facebook. I don't think he has premium 
though - just a skype number and voicemail. Unless that is what they call 
premium.
It's not a problem getting to the contacts table though, and I actually find 
skype quite easy to use on the Mac, no more difficult than under windows.
Just one question: how do you read messages people send you? I really can't 
figure out how to do this. Thanks.

Lisette


On 2/05/2012, at 3:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> I use Express Talk Pro.  It is so ridiculously accessible I had it figured 
> out in less than 5 minutes literally.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Emrah" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Sip Phone for Mac (was RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)
> 
> 
>> Blink Pro is a more sophisticated alternative with fabulous support for 
>> conferencing and extremely accessible.
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep. It's simply called Telephone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:03:15 -0700
>>> > Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> > From: steve.holme...@gmail.com
>>> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> >
>>> > In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the Mac
>>> > which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the command
>>> > line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is one. Skype
>>> > may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP is more
>>> > universal. SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out there.
>>> >
>>> > On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> > > Ok.
>>> > >
>>> > > I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on my > > 
>>> > > Mac but
>>> > > there is no edit field as there use to be when I first acquired the > > 
>>> > > mac.
>>> > > Can this be brought back?
>>> > >
>>> > > Kawal.
>>> > >
>>> > > On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe  > > 
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. > >> 
>>> > >> Hopefully,
>>> > >> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
>>> > >> complaint with skype on the mac.
>>> > >> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was > >> 
>>> > >> version
>>> > >> 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts
>>> > >> list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on
>>> > >> something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>>> > >> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not > >> 
>>> > >> prohibatively
>>> > >> difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
>>> > >> my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that > 
>>> > >> >> this is
>>> > >> something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
>>> > >> aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, > >> 
>>> > >> and only
>>> > >> run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
>>> > >> that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences > >> 
>>> > >> time and
>>> > >> again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
>>> > >> how the program starts.
>>> > >> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they > 
>>> > >> >> claim
>>> > >> that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
>>> > >> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the > >> 
>>> > >> problem,
>>> > >> but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
>>> > >> really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss > 
>>> > >> >> the
>>> > >> simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
>>> > >> used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to
>>> > >> someone.
>>> > >> Missy
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -Original Message-
>>> > >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> > >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal > >> 
>>> > >> Gucukoglu
>>> > >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
>>> > >> To: macvisionaries
>>> > >> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the > >> 
>>> > >> Mac with
>>> > >> Skype Team.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Hi Kevin.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google > 
>>> > >> >> had the
>>> > >> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
>>> > >> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on > 
>>> > >> >> the
>>> > >> Mac.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The dial pad is inaccessible. Is there any way of getting Skype for > 
>>> > >> >> Mac
>>> > >> fixed?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> If ther

Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Lisette:

Please permit me to answer your question.  Once you have selected the contact 
who sent you the message in the table under the toolbar, VO right until you 
find the HTML content.  Interact with this and VO Right until you hear the 
relevant message.  

Just FTR, mine seems to come up in the contacts table at the bottom of the 
screen.  Vo Function Shift Left arrow on my MBP brings me to the tool bar at 
the top, and one VO Right from there gets me to the table, which I interact 
with and down to "recent," or whatever.  Seriously, people, what is the big 
deal here?1


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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Lisette wesseling]

Hi Mark
Thanks for this answer. But how do you even know someone, or who, has sent you 
a message?
Lisette

On 2/05/2012, at 6:36 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Lisette:
> 
> Please permit me to answer your question.  Once you have selected the contact 
> who sent you the message in the table under the toolbar, VO right until you 
> find the HTML content.  Interact with this and VO Right until you hear the 
> relevant message.  
> 
> Just FTR, mine seems to come up in the contacts table at the bottom of the 
> screen.  Vo Function Shift Left arrow on my MBP brings me to the tool bar at 
> the top, and one VO Right from there gets me to the table, which I interact 
> with and down to "recent," or whatever.  Seriously, people, what is the big 
> deal here?1
> 
> 
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> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Sorry, Lisette, for the ending to my E-mail; it was specifically directed at 
those who complain of the inaccessibility of Skype, not at all at you.  

There are a few ways I know if someone's sent me a message; first, my Skype 
plays a sound when I get a message, if I'm not in the Skype window.  
Disappointingly, it does not emit such a sound alert when I am in the Skype 
window, so I usually Command Tab out of the window while waiting.  Secondly, 
when I open Skype in the morning or whenever, I quickly look in the top table 
under the "recent," sublevel and check if there are any new names there, and 
whether or not it says there are missed events.  There's also a "history," 
sublevel you can expand below the Recent level which will show you activity 
back to .. well to the Big Bang.
, 

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RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Missy Hoppe]

Hmm. Very interesting. I have voice-mail enabled on mine too, but have never 
used it. I don't have any credits, though. I
wonder if that's the key. I don't use skype enough to justfy spending money on 
it, though, so I wonder if there's anyone else
willing/able to experiment with this theory.
Missy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Lisette wesseling
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 2:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

Hi folks
My husband and I got our macs only recently and I have just joined this list.
My skype starts in the home screen, but  my husband's starts in the contacts 
table. The only difference between us is that he
has skype credits and voicemail activated, and I don't. Could this be the 
reason? We have compared our mac settings and can't
see why our skype would start in different places. Neither of us have it 
connected to facebook. I don't think he has premium
though - just a skype number and voicemail. Unless that is what they call 
premium.
It's not a problem getting to the contacts table though, and I actually find 
skype quite easy to use on the Mac, no more
difficult than under windows.
Just one question: how do you read messages people send you? I really can't 
figure out how to do this. Thanks.

Lisette


On 2/05/2012, at 3:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> I use Express Talk Pro.  It is so ridiculously accessible I had it figured 
> out in less than 5 minutes literally.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Emrah" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Sip Phone for Mac (was RE: Skype on the Mac made
> accessible?)
>
>
>> Blink Pro is a more sophisticated alternative with fabulous support for 
>> conferencing and extremely accessible.
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
>>
>>> Yep. It's simply called Telephone.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:03:15 -0700
>>> > Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> > From: steve.holme...@gmail.com
>>> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> >
>>> > In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the
>>> > Mac which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the
>>> > command line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is
>>> > one. Skype may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP
>>> > is more universal. SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out 
>>> > there.
>>> >
>>> > On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> > > Ok.
>>> > >
>>> > > I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on
>>> > > my > > Mac but there is no edit field as there use to be when I first 
>>> > > acquired the > > mac.
>>> > > Can this be brought back?
>>> > >
>>> > > Kawal.
>>> > >
>>> > > On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe  > > 
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. >
>>> > >> >> Hopefully, this is the appropriate place to bring up my
>>> > >> number 1 complaint with skype on the mac.
>>> > >> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
>>> > >> > >> version
>>> > >> 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list.
>>> > >> Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on
>>> > >> something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>>> > >> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not > >>
>>> > >> prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and
>>> > >> find my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally
>>> > >> feel that > >> this is something I shouldn't have to do, and
>>> > >> it's just aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often
>>> > >> as possible, > >> and only run it periodically to check for
>>> > >> updates in hopes that this issue will some day be fixed. I've
>>> > >> checked preferences > >> time and again, and there simply isn't
>>> > >> a way to configure how the program starts.
>>> > >> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id,
>>> > >> they > >> claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
>>> > >> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix
>>> > >> the > >> problem, but would rather not if I don't have to. I
>>> > >> don't really understand the point of the favorites thing
>>> > >> either, and miss > >> the simplicity of the first mac version
>>> > >> of skype I ever used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I
>>> > >> hope it makes sense to someone.
>>> > >> Missy
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -Original Message-
>>> > >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> > >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal >
>>> > >> >> Gucukoglu
>>> > >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
>>> > >> To: macvisionaries
>>> > >> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on
>>> > >> the > >> Mac with

Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Mine, which comes up in the contacts table, is also linked to a phone number 
that I pay for, and I have voice mail, but no mobile number or anything.  Skype 
is my telephone as well as my internet telephone.  Thinking of switching to 
Magic Jack though, cause everyone says my computer fans make too much noise...  
If that helps.


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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

 do not know it just hapens.

On 1 May 2012, at 05:04 AM, May McDonald  wrote:

> Wait, how do you get it to start in contacts? I have the free version and 
> can't get it to do that either.
> 
> May and Prince Noah
> 
> On 2012-04-30, at 6:21 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> There use to be an edit field so that you could copy numbers and paste It 
>> use to be edit field, then 1 to 0
>> 
>> I have the skype Free version and it starts in the contacts.
>> 
>> Skype is a fiddly program to use with all the interaction and you can't 
>> easily get to the missed events to see who and what they are and then to 
>> clear the events.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 30 Apr 2012, at 11:15 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Which edit field are out talking about?  In Dial Pad?  How would that work? 
>>>  When you're dialing numbers, the touch tones are generated and go out like 
>>> a telephone.  Which edit field do you need back?
>>> 
>>> 
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Mac Mail question

[Kirsten Edmondson]

Hi, 
How do I move an email from trash back to the inbox? In the edit menu, there 
doesn't seem to be a move to inbox command. I can't do undo as I deleted it a 
couple of days ago, but now want it back. I know it's there and I have both 
interacted with the table and the message line and the actual message itself. 
Thanks. 
Kirsten. 

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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I know when I got Skype I went in to the preferences and can't remember where 
but unchecked the box for Face book. Then my Skype was normal starting in the 
contact list. I did this so long ago.

Kawal.

On 1 May 2012, at 04:47 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:

> Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't get it to start up in the contacts 
> list are doing wrong? Is yours connected to
> facebook? This is getting curiouser and curiouser. I'm still irritated by the 
> idea that this is supposedly a premium feature,
> when it should just be a given option if desired. Not sure I'm articulating 
> that right, but how can having the program start
> somewhere that's actually  be considered a premium? That should count as 
> basic functionality, and for those who are able to
> get it started in the contacts list, I'd love to know what they're doing 
> differently, so I can try to fix mine.
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> 
> Hmm!
> 
> I know I have the latest version of Skype, and mine always starts in the 
> contact list.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eric Oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> 
> 
> I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free in
> previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I DON'T
> THINK SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for more money,
> especially considering that their flagship product (windows 7) had such a
> poor showing over the last 4 years (millions of corporate machines still
> running XP).
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
> 
>> This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend is
>> running an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com for
>> pricing details.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>> 
>>> That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium.
>>> If it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I
>>> might consider it, but it never used to be that way, and if that's the
>>> case, how is it possible that at least 1 person I've
>>> talked to who is also using the free version is able to start in contacts
>>> like it used to do? I'm not trying to complain or
>>> be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by this.
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> 
>>> I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas
>>> that this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype
>>> not start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype
>>> Premium.
>>> 
>>> FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
 this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1 complaint with
 skype on the mac.
 When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
 version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list. Ever
 sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts
>>> me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
 It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
 prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find my
 contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this
 is something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just aggravating enough
 that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only run it
 periodically to check for updates in hopes that this issue
>>> will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and again, and
>>> there simply isn't a way to configure how the program
>>> starts.
 To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they
 claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more than happy to
 disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but would
 rather not if I don't have to. I don't really understand the point of
 the favorites thing either, and miss the simplicity
>>> of the first mac version of skype I ever used. Sorry for the aimless
>>> rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.
 Missy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
 To: ma

RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Missy Hoppe]

I've looked everywhere in preferences and can't find that. I wonder if finding 
it and unchecking it would help. If anyone
knows where that is in preferences, I'd really appreciate finding out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 3:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

I know when I got Skype I went in to the preferences and can't remember where 
but unchecked the box for Face book. Then my
Skype was normal starting in the contact list. I did this so long ago.

Kawal.

On 1 May 2012, at 04:47 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:

> Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't get it to start up in the
> contacts list are doing wrong? Is yours connected to facebook? This is
> getting curiouser and curiouser. I'm still irritated by the idea that
> this is supposedly a premium feature, when it should just be a given
> option if desired. Not sure I'm articulating that right, but how can having 
> the program start somewhere that's actually  be
considered a premium? That should count as basic functionality, and for those 
who are able to get it started in the contacts
list, I'd love to know what they're doing differently, so I can try to fix mine.
> Missy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
> Gilland
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>
> Hmm!
>
> I know I have the latest version of Skype, and mine always starts in the 
> contact list.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eric Oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>
>
> I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free
> in previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I
> DON'T THINK SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for
> more money, especially considering that their flagship product
> (windows 7) had such a poor showing over the last 4 years (millions of
> corporate machines still running XP).
>
> -eric
>
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>
>> This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend
>> is running an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com
>> for pricing details.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>>
>>> That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium.
>>> If it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I might consider it,
>>> but it never used to be that way, and if that's the case, how is it
>>> possible that at least 1 person I've talked to who is also using the
>>> free version is able to start in contacts like it used to do? I'm
>>> not trying to complain or be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by
>>> this.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>>
>>> I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was
>>> toldwas that this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype not
>>> start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype
>>> Premium.
>>>
>>> FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>>>
 Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread.
 Hopefully, this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
 complaint with skype on the mac.
 When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
 version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list.
 Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts
>>> me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
 It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
 prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
 my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that
 this is something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just aggravating
 enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only run
 it periodically to check for updates in hopes that this issue
>>> will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and again, and
>>> there simply isn't a way to configure how the program starts.
 To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id,
 they claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more than
 happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the
 problem, but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't really
 unde

Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I too have credit and Voice mail.  

On 1 May 2012, at 07:28 PM, Lisette wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi folks
> My husband and I got our macs only recently and I have just joined this list.
> My skype starts in the home screen, but  my husband's starts in the contacts 
> table. The only difference between us is that he has skype credits and 
> voicemail activated, and I don't. Could this be the reason? We have compared 
> our mac settings and can't see why our skype would start in different places. 
> Neither of us have it connected to facebook. I don't think he has premium 
> though - just a skype number and voicemail. Unless that is what they call 
> premium.
> It's not a problem getting to the contacts table though, and I actually find 
> skype quite easy to use on the Mac, no more difficult than under windows.
> Just one question: how do you read messages people send you? I really can't 
> figure out how to do this. Thanks.
> 
> Lisette
> 
> 
> On 2/05/2012, at 3:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> I use Express Talk Pro.  It is so ridiculously accessible I had it figured 
>> out in less than 5 minutes literally.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Emrah" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: Sip Phone for Mac (was RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)
>> 
>> 
>>> Blink Pro is a more sophisticated alternative with fabulous support for 
>>> conferencing and extremely accessible.
>>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
>>> 
 Yep. It's simply called Telephone.
 
 
> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:03:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> From: steve.holme...@gmail.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the Mac
> which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the command
> line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is one. Skype
> may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP is more
> universal. SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out there.
> 
> On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> Ok.
>> 
>> I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on my > > 
>> Mac but
>> there is no edit field as there use to be when I first acquired the > > 
>> mac.
>> Can this be brought back?
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe  > > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. > >> 
>>> Hopefully,
>>> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
>>> complaint with skype on the mac.
>>> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was > >> 
>>> version
>>> 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts
>>> list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on
>>> something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>>> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not > >> 
>>> prohibatively
>>> difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
>>> my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that > >> 
>>> this is
>>> something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
>>> aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, > >> 
>>> and only
>>> run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
>>> that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences > >> 
>>> time and
>>> again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
>>> how the program starts.
>>> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they > 
>>> >> claim
>>> that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
>>> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the > >> 
>>> problem,
>>> but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
>>> really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss > 
>>> >> the
>>> simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
>>> used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to
>>> someone.
>>> Missy
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal > >> 
>>> Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries
>>> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> 
>>> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the > >> 
>>> Mac with
>>> Skype Team.
>>> 
>>> Hi Kevin.
>>> 
>>> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google > >> 
>>> had the
>>> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
>>> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on > 
>>> >> the
>>> Mac.
>>> 
>>> The dial pad is inaccessible. Is there

Re: Mac Mail question

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Once you find it in Trash, Press VO M to go to the menu bar; go over to 
Message, and down to "move to, submenu."  Right arrow there and then press "I," 
for Inbox, and enter.  That will move the message from Trash to Inbox.  If 
there are other messages in Trash that you wish to move to Inbox, you can 
simply find them and hit Command Option T.


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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jenny Keller]

thanks,

I tried to get help from them, but they can't help me if it's not doing it and 
I can't make it do it on command.  It is a random thing every two or three 
times I turn the computer on.  

thanks though.  I've just learned to deal with it.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:

> hi there;  i understand about not being able to make the trip, but most of 
> the times we took my last computer in they didn't even charge me.  there is a 
> new 800 number for voiceover issues.  i don't have it on hand, but someone on 
> the list can give it to you.  perhaps they could help you trouble shoot this. 
>  take care, max 
> On May 1, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
>> 
>> I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
>> 
>> I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
>> 
>> I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
>> 
>> I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to 
>> the town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for them to 
>> look at it, uch less fix it.
>> 
>> Crap.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> 
>>> You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
>>> Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
>>> monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in
>>> but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
>>> thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my
>>> machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
>>> the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
>>> properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
>>> to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
>>> All that is fine here.
>>> 
>>> If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
>>> it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
>>> it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
>>> 
>>> I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
>>> anyone answering it either.
>>> 
>>> On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
 Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the 
 only
 reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
 
 Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into
 the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set
 to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a
 box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with 
 command
 F5 I don't know what is going on.
 
 It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down 
 properly,
 and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
 
 What on earth is going on?
 
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jenny Keller]

thanks.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:

> go to the desktop where it says mac hd and use the command i for inspector.  
> then right arrow until it gives you the available space.  but if you don't 
> download movies or music, then that probably wasn't the problem. take care, 
> max 
> On May 1, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> How do I check it?
>> 
>> I don't put anything on my computer like music or anything, just documents.  
>> 
>> Please tell me how to look this up.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
>> 
>>> hello; how much space do you have free on your hard drive?  when my last 
>>> macbook's drive was mostly full it would cause weird behavior from 
>>> voiceover.  just a thought, max 
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 Lion, the latest version.
 
 Jenny
 On May 1, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 
> What version of OSX are you using, first of all?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jenny Keller" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:26 AM
> Subject: voiceover won't cooperate
> 
> 
> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the 
> only reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to 
> see it.
> 
> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into 
> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's 
> set to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, 
> there is a box that since voice over won't come on either automatically 
> or with command F5 I don't know what is going on.
> 
> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down 
> properly, and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and 
> all is well.
> 
> What on earth is going on?
> 
> Jenny
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Jenny Keller]

I have that problem too.  I've heard the little chirp that someone has sent me 
a message, but have no idea how to get to a message that I've been sent.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Lisette wesseling wrote:

> Hi folks
> My husband and I got our macs only recently and I have just joined this list.
> My skype starts in the home screen, but  my husband's starts in the contacts 
> table. The only difference between us is that he has skype credits and 
> voicemail activated, and I don't. Could this be the reason? We have compared 
> our mac settings and can't see why our skype would start in different places. 
> Neither of us have it connected to facebook. I don't think he has premium 
> though - just a skype number and voicemail. Unless that is what they call 
> premium.
> It's not a problem getting to the contacts table though, and I actually find 
> skype quite easy to use on the Mac, no more difficult than under windows.
> Just one question: how do you read messages people send you? I really can't 
> figure out how to do this. Thanks.
> 
> Lisette
> 
> 
> On 2/05/2012, at 3:41 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> I use Express Talk Pro.  It is so ridiculously accessible I had it figured 
>> out in less than 5 minutes literally.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Emrah" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: Sip Phone for Mac (was RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)
>> 
>> 
>>> Blink Pro is a more sophisticated alternative with fabulous support for 
>>> conferencing and extremely accessible.
>>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
>>> 
 Yep. It's simply called Telephone.
 
 
> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:03:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> From: steve.holme...@gmail.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the Mac
> which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the command
> line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is one. Skype
> may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP is more
> universal. SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out there.
> 
> On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> Ok.
>> 
>> I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on my > > 
>> Mac but
>> there is no edit field as there use to be when I first acquired the > > 
>> mac.
>> Can this be brought back?
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe  > > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. > >> 
>>> Hopefully,
>>> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
>>> complaint with skype on the mac.
>>> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was > >> 
>>> version
>>> 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts
>>> list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on
>>> something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>>> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not > >> 
>>> prohibatively
>>> difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
>>> my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that > >> 
>>> this is
>>> something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
>>> aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, > >> 
>>> and only
>>> run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
>>> that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences > >> 
>>> time and
>>> again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
>>> how the program starts.
>>> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they > 
>>> >> claim
>>> that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
>>> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the > >> 
>>> problem,
>>> but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
>>> really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss > 
>>> >> the
>>> simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
>>> used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to
>>> someone.
>>> Missy
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal > >> 
>>> Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries
>>> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> 
>>> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the > >> 
>>> Mac with
>>> Skype Team.
>>> 
>>> Hi Kevin.
>>> 
>>> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google > >> 
>>> had the
>>> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
>>> However since Microsoft have bough

Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Jenny Keller]

Because if you don't know who sent you the message, how do you know what 
contact to chose, that's the big deal.

In windows you get a edit field where conversations are at list format so 
whoever contacts you via conversation just pops up with their name beside it so 
you can see who is instant messaging you.

Again, you can't pick the proper contact if you don't know which one sent you a 
message.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Lisette:
> 
> Please permit me to answer your question.  Once you have selected the contact 
> who sent you the message in the table under the toolbar, VO right until you 
> find the HTML content.  Interact with this and VO Right until you hear the 
> relevant message.  
> 
> Just FTR, mine seems to come up in the contacts table at the bottom of the 
> screen.  Vo Function Shift Left arrow on my MBP brings me to the tool bar at 
> the top, and one VO Right from there gets me to the table, which I interact 
> with and down to "recent," or whatever.  Seriously, people, what is the big 
> deal here?1
> 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

This is one thing that Growl DOES do very well; In Preferences' tool bar, click 
on Notifications, and then on the Details tab.  If you need more help with it, 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

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Jenny:
When you go through the top table, you will hear it say something like, "Mark 
BurningHawk, one missed event."  That's how you know.  I don't know how better 
to explain that.  Also, if all else fails, all you have to do is select 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Jenny Keller]

sorry, sounds way to complicated for something that trivial.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Jenny:
> When you go through the top table, you will hear it say something like, "Mark 
> BurningHawk, one missed event."  That's how you know.  I don't know how 
> better to explain that.  Also, if all else fails, all you have to do is 
> select everyone in the "recent," sublevel of the top table and then go to the 
> HTML content window and interact with it and check there. Yo'll find it.
> 
> 
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

If you think it is a problem that could be fixed at the Apple Store, then I 
suggest you beg one of your friends to take you there.  You have a one year 
warrenty on the computer and if you didn't drop it or spill water on it, then 
99/100 times it will be fixed for free at the Apple store in the first year of 
service.

So you might be saving several hundred dollars if you get there before June. 

On the other hand, just getting somebody around who can see what is going on 
with your system at start-up might be all you need.  Though in some cases, 
hitting control-tab after a couple minutes gets things  in a normal state.  

Best regards,

Jonathan

Jonathan C. Cohn
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On May 1, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
> 
> I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
> 
> I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
> 
> I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
> 
> I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to the 
> town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for them to look 
> at it, uch less fix it.
> 
> Crap.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
> 
>> You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
>> Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
>> monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in
>> but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
>> thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my
>> machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
>> the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
>> properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
>> to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
>> All that is fine here.
>> 
>> If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
>> it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
>> it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
>> 
>> I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
>> anyone answering it either.
>> 
>> On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>>> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the only
>>> reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
>>> 
>>> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into
>>> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set
>>> to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a
>>> box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with command
>>> F5 I don't know what is going on.
>>> 
>>> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down properly,
>>> and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
>>> 
>>> What on earth is going on?
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> 
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jenny Keller]

I know it would be a good thing to have an apple store look at it, but the 
store is an hour away so I don't see that as an option.

I have had someone look at it and it's just the log in screen.

I log in and it still won't talk.

I'll see what I can do, but if I can't get someone to take me to have surgery 
in another town, I doubt very seriously I can get someone to take me to fix my 
computer.

Thanks for the info though.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> If you think it is a problem that could be fixed at the Apple Store, then I 
> suggest you beg one of your friends to take you there.  You have a one year 
> warranty on the computer and if you didn't drop it or spill water on it, then 
> 99/100 times it will be fixed for free at the Apple store in the first year 
> of service.
> 
> So you might be saving several hundred dollars if you get there before June. 
> 
> On the other hand, just getting somebody around who can see what is going on 
> with your system at start-up might be all you need.  Though in some cases, 
> hitting control-tab after a couple minutes gets things  in a normal state.  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> Jonathan C. Cohn
> jonc...@cox.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 1, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
>> 
>> I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
>> 
>> I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
>> 
>> I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
>> 
>> I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to 
>> the town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for them to 
>> look at it, uch less fix it.
>> 
>> Crap.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> 
>>> You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
>>> Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
>>> monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in
>>> but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
>>> thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my
>>> machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
>>> the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
>>> properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
>>> to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
>>> All that is fine here.
>>> 
>>> If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
>>> it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
>>> it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
>>> 
>>> I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
>>> anyone answering it either.
>>> 
>>> On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
 Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the 
 only
 reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
 
 Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into
 the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's set
 to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is a
 box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with 
 command
 F5 I don't know what is going on.
 
 It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down 
 properly,
 and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
 
 What on earth is going on?
 
 Jenny
 
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Re: Problem with the app store on the iPhone

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi again guys. 
I got the Color Visor app, finally. Am I going to have to answer these 
questions every time now? My bank has security questions, but they namely come 
up if I use a different computer like at my mom's house. 

Hey, Jan, I'm impressed already. I tried another color program which for me was 
useless. Yours told me right away some colors with the names of them instead 
numbers. Even I can handle that, I'm pretty color dumb. However, I've wanted 
one for washing clothes to sort the dark ones from the light ones. Maybe I can 
even learn how to use it to match clothes that I haven't yet gotten around to 
marking according to color the old-fashioned way. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On May 1, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> No no. You pick questions with the 3 picker items, and then fill in the 
> answers to each.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfEugenia Firth
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Problem with the app store on the iPhone
>  
> Ok, but I can't figure out which ones it wants. I remember putting in 
> questions at one point when I set up things, but knows which of those 
> checkbox things I did. If the ones I am supposed to check for the answer are 
> in red, I'm in trouble since I can't ee the screen and there is no hint from 
> VoiceOver on it. 
>  
>  
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>  
>  
>  
> On May 1, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> The security questions are an extra precaution against Apple ID theft, and 
> other such security breeches. You have to fill out all 3 before you can 
> download anything at all.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfEugenia Firth
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Problem with the app store on the iPhone
>  
> Hi guys, especially the folks at Accessibility 
> I just tried to download Jan's app. I didn't expect this to be a problem at 
> all. I can accept that I may need to reset my iPhone because it demanded 
> security questions which it never did before. Ok, fine. However, I was 
> supposed to fill out three, but dumb did one. However, when it caste back 
> with the prompt, it said "The items in red b" not been completed." I gave up 
> for now until I have time to figure out things. 
>  
> Irritated for the moment, 
> Gigi 
>  
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>  
>  
>  
> On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hallo MacVisionaries,
>  
> my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My app 
> ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their needs. 
> VoiceOver is fully supported.
>  
> You will find the app on the App Store at
> http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor
>  
> More information about the app can be found on my web site at
> http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/
>  
> and there is an AppleVis app test at
> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor
>  
> Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in 
> general are very much appreciated.
>  
> Greetings from Dresden (Germany)
>  
> Jan Blueher
>  
> ---
> ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
> Now available on the iTunes App Store:
> http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1
> ---
> Dr. Jan Blüher
> visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone
> Bayreuther Str. 2
> D-01187 Dresden
> Germany
>  
> phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
> mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
> e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
> web: http://visorApps.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps
>  
> tax number: DE281706766
>  
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

You don't by any chance have file vault turned on do you?

Go to system preferences:
Find the Security and Privacy panel.
In this panel is a tab called "File Vault" It should list your disk and tell 
you that file vault is turned off/ or  on.

You are aware that for non-file vault systems, you can configure the login 
screen to use voice over and that you can even toggle voice over on/off with 
command-F5 in the standard login screen?

Best wishes,

JOnathan

Jonathan C. Cohn
jonc...@cox.net



On May 1, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> I know it would be a good thing to have an apple store look at it, but the 
> store is an hour away so I don't see that as an option.
> 
> I have had someone look at it and it's just the log in screen.
> 
> I log in and it still won't talk.
> 
> I'll see what I can do, but if I can't get someone to take me to have surgery 
> in another town, I doubt very seriously I can get someone to take me to fix 
> my computer.
> 
> Thanks for the info though.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> 
>> If you think it is a problem that could be fixed at the Apple Store, then I 
>> suggest you beg one of your friends to take you there.  You have a one year 
>> warranty on the computer and if you didn't drop it or spill water on it, 
>> then 99/100 times it will be fixed for free at the Apple store in the first 
>> year of service.
>> 
>> So you might be saving several hundred dollars if you get there before June. 
>> 
>> On the other hand, just getting somebody around who can see what is going on 
>> with your system at start-up might be all you need.  Though in some cases, 
>> hitting control-tab after a couple minutes gets things  in a normal state.  
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> Jonathan C. Cohn
>> jonc...@cox.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 1, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
>>> 
>>> I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
>>> 
>>> I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
>>> 
>>> I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
>>> 
>>> I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to 
>>> the town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for them to 
>>> look at it, uch less fix it.
>>> 
>>> Crap.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>> 
 You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
 Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
 monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in
 but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
 thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my
 machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
 the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
 properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
 to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
 All that is fine here.
 
 If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
 it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
 it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
 
 I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
 anyone answering it either.
 
 On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the 
> only
> reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
> 
> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into
> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's 
> set
> to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is 
> a
> box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with 
> command
> F5 I don't know what is going on.
> 
> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down 
> properly,
> and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
> 
> What on earth is going on?
> 
> Jenny
> 
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Re: Problem with the app store on the iPhone

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

NO, you won't have to answer every time, just for the more secure transactions 
probably changing password and credit card information.

Best wishes,

Jonathan

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jonc...@cox.net



On May 1, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi again guys. 
> I got the Color Visor app, finally. Am I going to have to answer these 
> questions every time now? My bank has security questions, but they namely 
> come up if I use a different computer like at my mom's house. 
> 
> Hey, Jan, I'm impressed already. I tried another color program which for me 
> was useless. Yours told me right away some colors with the names of them 
> instead numbers. Even I can handle that, I'm pretty color dumb. However, I've 
> wanted one for washing clothes to sort the dark ones from the light ones. 
> Maybe I can even learn how to use it to match clothes that I haven't yet 
> gotten around to marking according to color the old-fashioned way. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 1, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
>> No no. You pick questions with the 3 picker items, and then fill in the 
>> answers to each.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfEugenia Firth
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:42 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Problem with the app store on the iPhone
>>  
>> Ok, but I can't figure out which ones it wants. I remember putting in 
>> questions at one point when I set up things, but knows which of those 
>> checkbox things I did. If the ones I am supposed to check for the answer are 
>> in red, I'm in trouble since I can't ee the screen and there is no hint from 
>> VoiceOver on it. 
>>  
>>  
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 1, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> The security questions are an extra precaution against Apple ID theft, and 
>> other such security breeches. You have to fill out all 3 before you can 
>> download anything at all.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfEugenia Firth
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:34 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Problem with the app store on the iPhone
>>  
>> Hi guys, especially the folks at Accessibility 
>> I just tried to download Jan's app. I didn't expect this to be a problem at 
>> all. I can accept that I may need to reset my iPhone because it demanded 
>> security questions which it never did before. Ok, fine. However, I was 
>> supposed to fill out three, but dumb did one. However, when it caste back 
>> with the prompt, it said "The items in red b" not been completed." I gave up 
>> for now until I have time to figure out things. 
>>  
>> Irritated for the moment, 
>> Gigi 
>>  
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hallo MacVisionaries,
>>  
>> my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My 
>> app ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their 
>> needs. VoiceOver is fully supported.
>>  
>> You will find the app on the App Store at
>> http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor
>>  
>> More information about the app can be found on my web site at
>> http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/
>>  
>> and there is an AppleVis app test at
>> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor
>>  
>> Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in 
>> general are very much appreciated.
>>  
>> Greetings from Dresden (Germany)
>>  
>> Jan Blueher
>>  
>> ---
>> ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
>> Now available on the iTunes App Store:
>> http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1
>> ---
>> Dr. Jan Blüher
>> visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone
>> Bayreuther Str. 2
>> D-01187 Dresden
>> Germany
>>  
>> phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
>> mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
>> e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
>> web: http://visorApps.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps
>>  
>> tax number: DE281706766
>>  
>>  
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Re: web navigation?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Up / down arrows will move the web rotar selection and left right will move by 
chunks. Do you use Group or Dom navigation?

Best wishes,
Jonathan

Jonathan C. Cohn
jonc...@cox.net



On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> I have quick nav on. However, the left/right arrows don't seem to
> navigate reliably (I ended up at the bottom of a page, and you can't
> read by smaller chunks inside, say, a paragraph of text). Say you're
> reading an article and aren't sure how an oddly spoken phrase is
> spelled. On Windows, or in an edit area on Mac, you'd arrow to the
> line, then move word by word to the phrase, then read word by word or
> character by character. How would you do this (efficiently, not by
> moving the rotor all over the place and hoping you don't hit the wrong
> key and jump out of the entire article) in Chrome or Safari? Even the
> "lines" setting on the rotor is not very useful - I still have no idea
> what it thinks a "line" is, and it never seems to move me anywhere.
> 
> On 4/29/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I haven't had much luck with chrome vox.  All it does is crash chrome on my
>> machine.  If you want to just navigate with arrows, you should just turn on
>> quick nav by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time.
>> 
>> JMO.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've heard of Chromevox and I even tried it a while back, but I found it
>>> confusing and difficult to work with. Still, if I can arrow around, it
>>> might be worth looking into again. Are there any podcasts on it?
>>> On 29 Apr 2012, at 20:49, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>> 
 You might want to try using chrome vox.  If you hit the command key twice
 while in chromevox then all the shortcuts are able to be done without
 holding down command-control.  Chrome Vox does do things a bit different
 for arrows. Up/Down is your primary navigator and left / right navigates
 at a smaller incrment.
 
 So if up/down is reading sentences then left / right will navigate by
 word.  In a table however all four arrow keys while in Object navigation
 will  navigate by table cell.
 
 I am not sure if dom/group works in Chomebox. In  Safari and Webkit, DOM
 mode navigates much like a windows browser with speech. Group mode
 combines major clusters of information and will navigate as things are
 layed out on the screen to the most part.
 Jonathan C. Cohn
 jonc...@cox.net
 
 
 
 On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> I am using Chrome for a web browser, and I have a few questions about
> reading and navigating web pages.
> 
> 1. In the vo utility, you can choose either DOM order or grouping. Which
> is better?
> 2. Is there a way to disable the web rotor, so the arrows will act like
> they do in text reading or editing? With letter navigation, I see the
> web rotor as redundant and I'd rather use the arrow keys in the usual
> text navigation way.
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
> 
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Steve Holmes]

I second Jonhathan's remarks here.  Apple provides a 1 year warantee
for all their computers at a minimum and if you can dig up a spare $99
before this June, you can extend your coverage for an additional two
years; that's the Apple Care program.  Anyway, without the Apple Care,
you can still get that box down to an Apple store before June and it
shouldn't cost you a dime.  You should not be experiencing random
behavior with your machine; at least not having to log in sometimes
and other times not.  Maybe one way to get something consistent could
be to go into your system preferences and go bback to requiring a
login and while in there, set login options to use VoiceOver.  You can
find all this under System Preferences -> User options.  I don't have
my machine in front of me right now so cannot give you more exact
information.  At least then perhaps you could have speech the whole
time and just login each time; VO should come up each time the login
completes.  See, VO runs during the login screen, then it turns off
depending on who logs in and then if you previously had VO running in
that user session, then VO will come back on.

Hope this isn't too confusing.

On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
> thanks.
>
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
>
>> go to the desktop where it says mac hd and use the command i for
>> inspector.  then right arrow until it gives you the available space.  but
>> if you don't download movies or music, then that probably wasn't the
>> problem. take care, max
>> On May 1, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>
>>> How do I check it?
>>>
>>> I don't put anything on my computer like music or anything, just
>>> documents.
>>>
>>> Please tell me how to look this up.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
>>>
 hello; how much space do you have free on your hard drive?  when my last
 macbook's drive was mostly full it would cause weird behavior from
 voiceover.  just a thought, max
 On May 1, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> Lion, the latest version.
>
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>
>> What version of OSX are you using, first of all?
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Jenny Keller"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:26 AM
>> Subject: voiceover won't cooperate
>>
>>
>> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and
>> the only reason I know that is because I have just barely enough
>> vision to see it.
>>
>> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log
>> into the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway
>> because it's set to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to
>> the desk top, there is a box that since voice over won't come on
>> either automatically or with command F5 I don't know what is going on.
>>
>> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down
>> properly, and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and
>> all is well.
>>
>> What on earth is going on?
>>
>> Jenny
>>
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jenny Keller]

What if you don't want to log in, you just want it to go to the desk top?

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> You don't by any chance have file vault turned on do you?
> 
> Go to system preferences:
> Find the Security and Privacy panel.
> In this panel is a tab called "File Vault" It should list your disk and tell 
> you that file vault is turned off/ or  on.
> 
> You are aware that for non-file vault systems, you can configure the login 
> screen to use voice over and that you can even toggle voice over on/off with 
> command-F5 in the standard login screen?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> JOnathan
> 
> Jonathan C. Cohn
> jonc...@cox.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 1, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> I know it would be a good thing to have an apple store look at it, but the 
>> store is an hour away so I don't see that as an option.
>> 
>> I have had someone look at it and it's just the log in screen.
>> 
>> I log in and it still won't talk.
>> 
>> I'll see what I can do, but if I can't get someone to take me to have 
>> surgery in another town, I doubt very seriously I can get someone to take me 
>> to fix my computer.
>> 
>> Thanks for the info though.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 1, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> If you think it is a problem that could be fixed at the Apple Store, then I 
>>> suggest you beg one of your friends to take you there.  You have a one year 
>>> warranty on the computer and if you didn't drop it or spill water on it, 
>>> then 99/100 times it will be fixed for free at the Apple store in the first 
>>> year of service.
>>> 
>>> So you might be saving several hundred dollars if you get there before 
>>> June. 
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, just getting somebody around who can see what is going 
>>> on with your system at start-up might be all you need.  Though in some 
>>> cases, hitting control-tab after a couple minutes gets things  in a normal 
>>> state.  
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> Jonathan C. Cohn
>>> jonc...@cox.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
 
 I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
 
 I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
 
 I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
 
 I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to 
 the town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for them 
 to look at it, uch less fix it.
 
 Crap.
 
 Jenny
 On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
 
> You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
> Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
> monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in
> but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
> thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my
> machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
> the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
> properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
> to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
> All that is fine here.
> 
> If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
> it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
> it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
> 
> I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
> anyone answering it either.
> 
> On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the 
>> only
>> reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
>> 
>> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into
>> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's 
>> set
>> to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there 
>> is a
>> box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with 
>> command
>> F5 I don't know what is going on.
>> 
>> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down 
>> properly,
>> and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
>> 
>> What on earth is going on?
>> 
>> Jenny
>> 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes, mine is connected to Facebook, and has been way before this most recent 
version.  Even when it wasn't though, skype has always gone to my contacts 
at first.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Missy Hoppe" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?


Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't get it to start up in the 
contacts list are doing wrong? Is yours connected to
facebook? This is getting curiouser and curiouser. I'm still irritated by 
the idea that this is supposedly a premium feature,
when it should just be a given option if desired. Not sure I'm 
articulating that right, but how can having the program start
somewhere that's actually  be considered a premium? That should count as 
basic functionality, and for those who are able to
get it started in the contacts list, I'd love to know what they're doing 
differently, so I can try to fix mine.

Missy

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

Hmm!

I know I have the latest version of Skype, and mine always starts in the 
contact list.


Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?


I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free in
previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I DON'T
THINK SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for more 
money,

especially considering that their flagship product (windows 7) had such a
poor showing over the last 4 years (millions of corporate machines still
running XP).

-eric

On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:


This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend is
running an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com for
pricing details.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:


That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium.
If it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I
might consider it, but it never used to be that way, and if that's the
case, how is it possible that at least 1 person I've
talked to who is also using the free version is able to start in 
contacts

like it used to do? I'm not trying to complain or
be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by this.
Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas
that this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype
not start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype
Premium.

FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:


Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1 complaint with
skype on the mac.
When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list. 
Ever

sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts

me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.

It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find my
contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this
is something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just aggravating enough
that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only run it
periodically to check for updates in hopes that this issue

will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and again, and
there simply isn't a way to configure how the program
starts.

To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they
claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more than happy to
disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but would
rather not if I don't have to. I don't really understand the point of
the favorites thing either, and miss the simplicity

of the first mac version of skype I ever used. Sorry for the aimless
rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.

Missy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
To: macvisionaries
Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac
with Skype Team.

Hi Kevin.

I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had
the program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
Howeve

Re: Problem with the app store on the iPhone

[Eugenia Firth]

Ok, thanks Jonathan. I had visions of having to do this every time I went to 
iTunes or anything else like that. It's amazing how rattled you can get when 
you're in a hurry, don't know that something new has been added for you to put 
in, and then you can't figure it out because your time is limited. Note to 
oneself, don't do something like this when you're in a hurry. I think I would 
have figured it out if I hadn't been in a hurry, needing to get back to work so 
I can more stuff from iTunes or the iPad. 

I do have one question which is not related to the problem I had today, but it 
relates to the app store. I may have to call about this. 

About a couple of weeks ago I bought a copy of the King James version of the 
Bible from the app store that has links on it. It's on my iPhone now, and 
iTunes sent me a receipt on it. Now, every time I go to app store or iTunes to 
purchase anything, I get first an error telling me that the Bible can't be 
purchased now, and I have to choose ok to proceed. Any ideas of what I should 
do about that? 

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On May 1, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> NO, you won't have to answer every time, just for the more secure 
> transactions probably changing password and credit card information.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> Jonathan C. Cohn
> jonc...@cox.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 1, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi again guys. 
>> I got the Color Visor app, finally. Am I going to have to answer these 
>> questions every time now? My bank has security questions, but they namely 
>> come up if I use a different computer like at my mom's house. 
>> 
>> Hey, Jan, I'm impressed already. I tried another color program which for me 
>> was useless. Yours told me right away some colors with the names of them 
>> instead numbers. Even I can handle that, I'm pretty color dumb. However, 
>> I've wanted one for washing clothes to sort the dark ones from the light 
>> ones. Maybe I can even learn how to use it to match clothes that I haven't 
>> yet gotten around to marking according to color the old-fashioned way. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 1, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> No no. You pick questions with the 3 picker items, and then fill in the 
>>> answers to each.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfEugenia Firth
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:42 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Problem with the app store on the iPhone
>>>  
>>> Ok, but I can't figure out which ones it wants. I remember putting in 
>>> questions at one point when I set up things, but knows which of those 
>>> checkbox things I did. If the ones I am supposed to check for the answer 
>>> are in red, I'm in trouble since I can't ee the screen and there is no hint 
>>> from VoiceOver on it. 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Eugenia Firth
>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> The security questions are an extra precaution against Apple ID theft, and 
>>> other such security breeches. You have to fill out all 3 before you can 
>>> download anything at all.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfEugenia Firth
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:34 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Problem with the app store on the iPhone
>>>  
>>> Hi guys, especially the folks at Accessibility 
>>> I just tried to download Jan's app. I didn't expect this to be a problem at 
>>> all. I can accept that I may need to reset my iPhone because it demanded 
>>> security questions which it never did before. Ok, fine. However, I was 
>>> supposed to fill out three, but dumb did one. However, when it caste back 
>>> with the prompt, it said "The items in red b" not been completed." I gave 
>>> up for now until I have time to figure out things. 
>>>  
>>> Irritated for the moment, 
>>> Gigi 
>>>  
>>> Eugenia Firth
>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hallo MacVisionaries,
>>>  
>>> my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My 
>>> app ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their 
>>> needs. VoiceOver is fully supported.
>>>  
>>> You will find the app on the App Store at
>>> http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor
>>>  
>>> More information about the app can be found on my web site at
>>> http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/
>>>  
>>> and there is an AppleVis app test at
>>> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor
>>>  
>>> Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in 
>>> general are very much appreciated.
>>>  
>>> Greetings from Dresden (Germany)
>>>  
>>> Jan 

Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Steve Holmes]

You can do it either way.  Look around the User options under System
preferences. I forget what the option is called exactly but there is
something to specify to Automatically login.  But in case this keeps
acting up on you, you may want to check the VoiceOver at login option
also.  I mentioned this in my last message but you may not have seen
that one yet.

Oh, if I had that much transportation trouble, I'd give my home
teachers a call (LDS right?) If they have the time and are any good at
all, they should be able to help you out or refer someone to help you
out.  that's one beauty of our church.

On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
> What if you don't want to log in, you just want it to go to the desk top?
>
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>
>> You don't by any chance have file vault turned on do you?
>>
>> Go to system preferences:
>> Find the Security and Privacy panel.
>> In this panel is a tab called "File Vault" It should list your disk and
>> tell you that file vault is turned off/ or  on.
>>
>> You are aware that for non-file vault systems, you can configure the login
>> screen to use voice over and that you can even toggle voice over on/off
>> with command-F5 in the standard login screen?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> JOnathan
>>
>> Jonathan C. Cohn
>> jonc...@cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 1, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>
>>> I know it would be a good thing to have an apple store look at it, but
>>> the store is an hour away so I don't see that as an option.
>>>
>>> I have had someone look at it and it's just the log in screen.
>>>
>>> I log in and it still won't talk.
>>>
>>> I'll see what I can do, but if I can't get someone to take me to have
>>> surgery in another town, I doubt very seriously I can get someone to take
>>> me to fix my computer.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info though.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>>
 If you think it is a problem that could be fixed at the Apple Store,
 then I suggest you beg one of your friends to take you there.  You have
 a one year warranty on the computer and if you didn't drop it or spill
 water on it, then 99/100 times it will be fixed for free at the Apple
 store in the first year of service.

 So you might be saving several hundred dollars if you get there before
 June.

 On the other hand, just getting somebody around who can see what is
 going on with your system at start-up might be all you need.  Though in
 some cases, hitting control-tab after a couple minutes gets things  in a
 normal state.

 Best regards,

 Jonathan

 Jonathan C. Cohn
 jonc...@cox.net



 On May 1, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
>
> I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
>
> I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
>
> I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
>
> I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go
> to the town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for
> them to look at it, uch less fix it.
>
> Crap.
>
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
>> You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
>> Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
>> monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in
>> but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
>> thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my
>> machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
>> the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
>> properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
>> to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
>> All that is fine here.
>>
>> If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
>> it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
>> it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
>>
>> I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
>> anyone answering it either.
>>
>> On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>>> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and
>>> the only
>>> reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log
>>> into
>>> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because
>>> it's set
>>> to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top,
>>> there is a
>>> box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with
>>> command
>>> F5 I don't know wh

RE: voiceover won't cooperate

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jenny,

Admittedly, I have not been paying close attention to this thread so forgive
me for suggesting something that has already been posted but, have you
considered turning off the login screen?  

All things being equal and security concerns aside, if you are the only
user, there really is no reason to have it activated at startup.

Mark


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voiceover won't cooperate

I know it would be a good thing to have an apple store look at it, but the
store is an hour away so I don't see that as an option.

I have had someone look at it and it's just the log in screen.

I log in and it still won't talk.

I'll see what I can do, but if I can't get someone to take me to have
surgery in another town, I doubt very seriously I can get someone to take me
to fix my computer.

Thanks for the info though.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> If you think it is a problem that could be fixed at the Apple Store, then
I suggest you beg one of your friends to take you there.  You have a one
year warranty on the computer and if you didn't drop it or spill water on
it, then 99/100 times it will be fixed for free at the Apple store in the
first year of service.
> 
> So you might be saving several hundred dollars if you get there before
June. 
> 
> On the other hand, just getting somebody around who can see what is going
on with your system at start-up might be all you need.  Though in some
cases, hitting control-tab after a couple minutes gets things  in a normal
state.  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> Jonathan C. Cohn
> jonc...@cox.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 1, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
>> 
>> I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
>> 
>> I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
>> 
>> I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
>> 
>> I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to
the town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for them to
look at it, uch less fix it.
>> 
>> Crap.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> 
>>> You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my 
>>> Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a 
>>> monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in 
>>> but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One 
>>> thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my 
>>> machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled 
>>> for the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts 
>>> up properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the 
>>> apps to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the
desktop.
>>> All that is fine here.
>>> 
>>> If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take 
>>> it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look 
>>> at it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
>>> 
>>> I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't 
>>> recall anyone answering it either.
>>> 
>>> On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
 Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and 
 the only reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision
to see it.
 
 Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I 
 log into the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway 
 because it's set to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to 
 the desk top, there is a box that since voice over won't come on 
 either automatically or with command
 F5 I don't know what is going on.
 
 It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down 
 properly, and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and
all is well.
 
 What on earth is going on?
 
 Jenny
 
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RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Missy Hoppe]

Well, the consensus seems to be that you do indeed have to pay for skype or 
have credit for it to start in the contacts list.
I think this is the dumbest move ever on the programmers' part, and very 
shameful that we have to pay for such basic
functionality, but I did confirm it. Skype was a lot more affordible than I 
thought, so I bought a year's subscription to the
US for $30. Sure enough, skype now allows me to start in the contacts list. 
There's a part of me that is ashamed to have
rewarded such a dispicable practice, but I'm hoping that over time, the 
subscription will pay for itself. So, over all, I
have very mixed emotions right now. I'm happy that skype is behaving as it 
should, but angry that I had to pay money for this
functionality to be achieved. I hope this helps someone; I guess that my 
investment will be worth it if it helps to improve
accessibility for someone else.
Missy


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 4:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

Yes, mine is connected to Facebook, and has been way before this most recent 
version.  Even when it wasn't though, skype has
always gone to my contacts at first.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Missy Hoppe" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?


> Wow! I wonder what those of us who can't get it to start up in the
> contacts list are doing wrong? Is yours connected to
> facebook? This is getting curiouser and curiouser. I'm still irritated by
> the idea that this is supposedly a premium feature,
> when it should just be a given option if desired. Not sure I'm
> articulating that right, but how can having the program start
> somewhere that's actually  be considered a premium? That should count as
> basic functionality, and for those who are able to
> get it started in the contacts list, I'd love to know what they're doing
> differently, so I can try to fix mine.
> Missy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
> Gilland
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>
> Hmm!
>
> I know I have the latest version of Skype, and mine always starts in the
> contact list.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eric Oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>
>
> I don't honestly see the point of paying for a feature that was free in
> previous versions. video conferencing I can understand, but this? I DON'T
> THINK SO! It seems to me that Microsoft is trying to soak us for more
> money,
> especially considering that their flagship product (windows 7) had such a
> poor showing over the last 4 years (millions of corporate machines still
> running XP).
>
> -eric
>
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>
>> This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend is
>> running an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com for
>> pricing details.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>>
>>> That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium.
>>> If it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I
>>> might consider it, but it never used to be that way, and if that's the
>>> case, how is it possible that at least 1 person I've
>>> talked to who is also using the free version is able to start in
>>> contacts
>>> like it used to do? I'm not trying to complain or
>>> be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by this.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>>
>>> I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas
>>> that this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype
>>> not start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype
>>> Premium.
>>>
>>> FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>>>
 Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
 this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1 complaint with
 skype on the mac.
 When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
 version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list.
 Ever
 sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts
>>> me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
 It basicly looks like a facebook cl

Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

I don't understand why it's so important that Skype come up with the focus 
other than in the contacts lists?  I seek an explanation of why it matters.


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Re: Priorities

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Paul and Shawn. 
Technically, there is already a tax credit for accessibility. I haven't looked 
it up in some time since I retired in 2005, but this credit is extensive for 
architectual barrier removal. I haven't researched it lately as I said, but it 
could be amended, with all that entails, to encompass computer accessibility. 
For some companies, especially for those who only pay attention to the bottom 
line, it have to be a big credit, and it would be even better, I think for us 
if the law could be amended in such a way that disabilities like ours, which 
require more accessilility work, would get a company more credit. I think make 
sure of that, you find some companies doing a little tinkering around with 
small changes and calling it accessibility to get the credit. Also, if we ran 
Congress, we'd want to make it retroactive say, for the last three years. Hey, 
we'd want to be fair to Apple after all who got on the stick before just about 
everybody else. Tax laws and credits have been made retroactive before. Oh, 
yes, and e'd want our credit to apply to corporations as well as to 1040 
filers. That way, small developers could apply for it. 

Regards, 
Gigi 


i think this might work better than a tax imposed on each individual, 
considering the number of devices and companies involved in administering much  
tax. However, an accessibility credit is already on the books and the 
administration for it is basically already in place. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Apr 30, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Sean. This is a great idea and I would be interested in discussing it 
> further. I had thought that we could impose an accessibility tax to be levied 
> on everyone who buys a piece of electronic equipment. The money could be put 
> into a fund and grants be given to companies that agree to develop accessible 
> stuff to defray their R&D costs. Your idea is much more proactive.
> I just wonder how to make this happen?On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:05 AM, Sean 
> Murphy wrote:
> 
>> All.
>> 
>> I would raise a different slant on the whole discussion. No one took this up 
>> before in one of my prior posts. This is a concept and please treat it as an 
>> idea. If people want to discuss this off line to see if it could be actually 
>> adopted. Then please let me know. I am more then happy to discuss.
>> 
>> 
>> A we all know Business only cares about the bottom line. Since this is the 
>> situation. A solution to our problems is to become investors. So how can we 
>> as a group become investors? Being individual investor will not have the 
>> same impact as if we do it as a group. Let me put up some figures.
>> 
>> If 10 million people in the USA put $10.00 into a investment fund per month. 
>> This would give the group $1.00 per month or 1.2 billion a year. If 
>> you extend this to a international level and got another 20 million people. 
>> Then the yearly amount grows to 3.6 billion dollars a year. 
>> Having this type of yearly funds for investing into companies. Their 
>> attitudes towards accessibility or what I would prefer to say Universal 
>> design will quickly change.  Since this type of money could place the fund 
>> managers who ever they are on boards of companies due to amount of shares 
>> held by the investment fund.
>> 
>> Basically what I have outlined is a different approach of changing peoples 
>> attitude by playing the same game. I believe there is at least 10 million or 
>> more people world wide that could afford $10.00 per month. Of course there 
>> are those who cannot. But they would benefit anyway. Before you shoot the 
>> idea down. Stop and think about if we had as a community this type of money. 
>> What changes could be done. The fund could be open to anyone who wants to 
>> help. It could even be open to all disabilities. That makes the numbers 
>> bigger and making the pool of investment larger. Investing into proactive 
>> companies like Apple would ensure they continue doing there good job. 
>> Informing companies like publishers that we will invest x million per month 
>> over the next x months if I believe would quickly change their attitude. 
>> 
>> So take off the blinkers everyone and see what this idea could do to change 
>> the world of technology?
>> 
>> Ideas or comments are more then welcomed.
>> 
>> 
>> Sean 
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RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Missy Hoppe]

The problem a lot of us were having is that ever since skype 5.3 or so, focus 
was not on the contact list when the program
started. It was on Skype home instead. If the free versions of skype started in 
the contact list by default like it did when
I first got my mac, then I, for 1, probably wouldn't be complaining too much. 
Now that I've paid for it, however, the
behavior that should have already been standard does occur, but I still 
maintain that being forced to pay for this basic
functionality is almost criminal. When skype started on that skype home thing, 
it was very frustrating, especially for those
of us who are  either still new to the mac, or simply don't want to deal with a 
bunch of pointless navigation. I hope this
clarifies things for you a little.
Missy

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On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

I don't understand why it's so important that Skype come up with the focus 
other than in the contacts lists?  I seek an
explanation of why it matters.


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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Doug Lee]

I have been following this thread but not thoroughly at times, so
pardon me if I missed anything.

I understand that the regular Mac Skype goes to the Home page on
startup, and that Skype Premium doesn't or can be made not to, not
sure which. So far though, I am not convinced that the idea was to
make people pay for the privilege of having Skype start on a different
control. I think it's an accident, or a side effect of something else
about Skype Premium. My point is that I don't think Microsoft is
specifically trying to charge you money for that particular
convenience.

I thought I saw others in this thread who managed to get a current
Skype, not Premium, to land on the Contact list on startup. If so, may
one or two of them please speak up and verify this, and if possible,
start working out how that might have come to work for some people and
not for others.

Again, apologies if I misread, or completely failed to read, anything
in this discussion.

On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 05:27:12PM -0400, Missy Hoppe wrote:
The problem a lot of us were having is that ever since skype 5.3 or so, focus 
was not on the contact list when the program
started. It was on Skype home instead. If the free versions of skype started in 
the contact list by default like it did when
I first got my mac, then I, for 1, probably wouldn't be complaining too much. 
Now that I've paid for it, however, the
behavior that should have already been standard does occur, but I still 
maintain that being forced to pay for this basic
functionality is almost criminal. When skype started on that skype home thing, 
it was very frustrating, especially for those
of us who are  either still new to the mac, or simply don't want to deal with a 
bunch of pointless navigation. I hope this
clarifies things for you a little.
Missy

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

I don't understand why it's so important that Skype come up with the focus 
other than in the contacts lists?  I seek an
explanation of why it matters.


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Re: Mac Mail question

[Kirsten Edmondson]

Thanks, I was looking in the wrong menu then. 

On 1 May 2012, at 20:14, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Once you find it in Trash, Press VO M to go to the menu bar; go over to 
> Message, and down to "move to, submenu."  Right arrow there and then press 
> "I," for Inbox, and enter.  That will move the message from Trash to Inbox.  
> If there are other messages in Trash that you wish to move to Inbox, you can 
> simply find them and hit Command Option T.
> 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

I'm sorry, but it does not.  Skype home is merely an HTML window; even if 
Skype's focus started there, merely stop interacting with the HTML content, VO 
left to the table, interact, then down to recent or whatever.  There's no 
complex navigation involved.


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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Absolutely right Missy,  you got that right and it was a mess and very 
confusing for someone who was new to the Mac.  I for one was confused with 
interacting and if it was not for the patience of someone who helped me with 
the Mac in the first place, I'd not be where I am with the Mac today so I'm 
always grateful to the person who helped me.

Kawal.

On 1 May 2012, at 10:27 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:

> The problem a lot of us were having is that ever since skype 5.3 or so, focus 
> was not on the contact list when the program
> started. It was on Skype home instead. If the free versions of skype started 
> in the contact list by default like it did when
> I first got my mac, then I, for 1, probably wouldn't be complaining too much. 
> Now that I've paid for it, however, the
> behavior that should have already been standard does occur, but I still 
> maintain that being forced to pay for this basic
> functionality is almost criminal. When skype started on that skype home 
> thing, it was very frustrating, especially for those
> of us who are  either still new to the mac, or simply don't want to deal with 
> a bunch of pointless navigation. I hope this
> clarifies things for you a little.
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Baxter
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:12 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> 
> I don't understand why it's so important that Skype come up with the focus 
> other than in the contacts lists?  I seek an
> explanation of why it matters.
> 
> 
> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I am one  those people whose Skype starts on the list of contacts. Mine has 
always done that even after downloading skype afresh. I am wondering however, 
could it be that since I've always had a Skype account since Skype came out 
that nothing had changed? The reason for this is because when Skype was bought 
by Ebay, they were going to tie it with Face Book but those  us who had Skype 
in the first place would not be affected as Ebay were to put adverts in which 
wouldn't affect us who had credit ETC.

What do people think of my theory?

Kawal.

On 1 May 2012, at 10:45 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:

> I have been following this thread but not thoroughly at times, so
> pardon me if I missed anything.
> 
> I understand that the regular Mac Skype goes to the Home page on
> startup, and that Skype Premium doesn't or can be made not to, not
> sure which. So far though, I am not convinced that the idea was to
> make people pay for the privilege of having Skype start on a different
> control. I think it's an accident, or a side effect of something else
> about Skype Premium. My point is that I don't think Microsoft is
> specifically trying to charge you money for that particular
> convenience.
> 
> I thought I saw others in this thread who managed to get a current
> Skype, not Premium, to land on the Contact list on startup. If so, may
> one or two of them please speak up and verify this, and if possible,
> start working out how that might have come to work for some people and
> not for others.
> 
> Again, apologies if I misread, or completely failed to read, anything
> in this discussion.
> 
> On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 05:27:12PM -0400, Missy Hoppe wrote:
> The problem a lot of us were having is that ever since skype 5.3 or so, focus 
> was not on the contact list when the program
> started. It was on Skype home instead. If the free versions of skype started 
> in the contact list by default like it did when
> I first got my mac, then I, for 1, probably wouldn't be complaining too much. 
> Now that I've paid for it, however, the
> behavior that should have already been standard does occur, but I still 
> maintain that being forced to pay for this basic
> functionality is almost criminal. When skype started on that skype home 
> thing, it was very frustrating, especially for those
> of us who are  either still new to the mac, or simply don't want to deal with 
> a bunch of pointless navigation. I hope this
> clarifies things for you a little.
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Baxter
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> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> 
> I don't understand why it's so important that Skype come up with the focus 
> other than in the contacts lists?  I seek an
> explanation of why it matters.
> 
> 
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Re: Mac Mail question

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there!
You can also open VO+shift+m and in that menu arrow down to the move sub menu!
And there is also a move again which is set to the last mailbox you sent 
something to!
hth Colin

On 1 May 2012, at 22:57, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:

> Thanks, I was looking in the wrong menu then. 
> 
> On 1 May 2012, at 20:14, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> 
>> Once you find it in Trash, Press VO M to go to the menu bar; go over to 
>> Message, and down to "move to, submenu."  Right arrow there and then press 
>> "I," for Inbox, and enter.  That will move the message from Trash to Inbox.  
>> If there are other messages in Trash that you wish to move to Inbox, you can 
>> simply find them and hit Command Option T.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi.
I would think that iTunes for a new Mac user would be way more difficult to 
tackle than a small bit of navigation through Skype.
I think it's all in the user's head about how difficult such a small bit of 
navigation could be. There's the finder, mail, Safari, the previously mentioned 
iTunes, and even the setup of the Mac has lots moor navigation.
If a new user goes through the VO tutorial like the should be doing, 
applications like Skype shouldn't really be an issue.
Just my thoughts.


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> I don't understand why it's so important that Skype come up with the focus 
> other than in the contacts lists?  I seek an explanation of why it matters.
> 
> 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Jenny!
would you like skype to tell you who has left a message or do you prefer having 
a sound!
Because you can tell skype to speak events in stead of playing a sound!
Colin

On 1 May 2012, at 20:53, Jenny Keller wrote:

> sorry, sounds way to complicated for something that trivial.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> 
>> Jenny:
>> When you go through the top table, you will hear it say something like, 
>> "Mark BurningHawk, one missed event."  That's how you know.  I don't know 
>> how better to explain that.  Also, if all else fails, all you have to do is 
>> select everyone in the "recent," sublevel of the top table and then go to 
>> the HTML content window and interact with it and check there. Yo'll find it.
>> 
>> 
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Maxwell Ivey]

you know i could be having that problem and not even know it because i rarely 
shut my macbook down.  i hardly ever did with my leopard machine and rarely do 
it in the lion.  i just close the lid.  when i open it it comes right out of 
sleep mode.  sorry i couldn't help. take care, max 
On May 1, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:

> thanks,
> 
> I tried to get help from them, but they can't help me if it's not doing it 
> and I can't make it do it on command.  It is a random thing every two or 
> three times I turn the computer on.  
> 
> thanks though.  I've just learned to deal with it.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
> 
>> hi there;  i understand about not being able to make the trip, but most of 
>> the times we took my last computer in they didn't even charge me.  there is 
>> a new 800 number for voiceover issues.  i don't have it on hand, but someone 
>> on the list can give it to you.  perhaps they could help you trouble shoot 
>> this.  take care, max 
>> On May 1, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
>>> 
>>> I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
>>> 
>>> I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
>>> 
>>> I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
>>> 
>>> I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to 
>>> the town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for them to 
>>> look at it, uch less fix it.
>>> 
>>> Crap.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>> 
 You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
 Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
 monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in
 but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
 thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my
 machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
 the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
 properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
 to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
 All that is fine here.
 
 If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
 it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
 it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
 
 I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
 anyone answering it either.
 
 On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and the 
> only
> reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see it.
> 
> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I log into
> the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway because it's 
> set
> to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to the desk top, there is 
> a
> box that since voice over won't come on either automatically or with 
> command
> F5 I don't know what is going on.
> 
> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down 
> properly,
> and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and all is well.
> 
> What on earth is going on?
> 
> Jenny
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Lost my mailboxes table in mac mail

[Lisette wesseling]

Hi all
Please can somebody tell me how to get my mailboxes table back. I can only see 
my inbox and tabbing doesn't get me to my mailboxes table. It just takes me to 
message content group. I've probably just pressed something I shouldn't have.
Thanks so much.

Lisette

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Re: Lost my mailboxes table in mac mail

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

THere should be an option in the View menu, but the shortcut is command-shift-M.


Jonathan C. Cohn
jonc...@cox.net



On May 1, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Lisette wesseling wrote:

> Hi all
> Please can somebody tell me how to get my mailboxes table back. I can only 
> see my inbox and tabbing doesn't get me to my mailboxes table. It just takes 
> me to message content group. I've probably just pressed something I shouldn't 
> have.
> Thanks so much.
> 
> Lisette
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Solved getting icons to read when changing mailboxes.

[Veronica Elsea]

Hi everyone!
I figured this out today and thought I'd share it here in case it helped anyone 
else. 
Just in case it matters, I didn't make smart mailboxes, only regular dumb ones. 
 When I'd arrow through my mailboxes table to choose a mailbox, then 
when I'd tab back to the messages table VO would only  read one icon, rather 
than reading all that I'd chosen. First I figured out that each time I selected 
a mailbox, if I then exited mail and opened it again, that first mailbox would 
behave properly. Now I've figured out that when I go into the messages table, 
if I am on a message, ask VO to interact, VO says no text to interact with, 
then I uninteract with this nothing, then everything reads fine in that bunch 
of messages. 
It shouldn't be, and it's a bit weird, but at least I have a work-around. I'd 
be curious to hear from any of you who have multiple mailboxes set up. Oh, by 
the way, I'm using pop mail. 
Anyway, I hope this helps someone.

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screen reader survey

[Mike Arrigo]

Hey everyone, the fourth screen reader survey from web aim is now available, I 
would encourage everyone to participate so voiceover gets a good useage rading, 
here is the link.
http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey4/

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Question about Bootcamp

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm pretty sure the short answer to this question will be technically?... 
yes... The long answer will probably be, yes, and no.


Technically speaking, Bootcamp is made for either Windows Vista, or Windows 
7.  Is there a way however that I could set up a bootcamp partition, then 
install UBuntu, Vinux, or F123 Linux?  preferably either the last two of the 
three.


I know I could do this in VMWare Fusion, ok, fine, that's fair, but that's 
not exactly what I'm wanting to do for various reasons.  For another thing, 
being I'm an audio engineer, I want to keep my mac partition free of pretty 
much anything non audio related for my studio workflow.


Thanks.

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Re: Lost my mailboxes table in mac mail

[Lisette wesseling]

Oh I knew there was an easy answer. Thank you very much.
In my gmail account I can't see the spam, starred, all mail, travel folders 
anymore. There's just an mailbox  called blank under trash with nothing in it. 
I don't think I've changed any of my gmail settings. Should I be in full screen 
mode?
Thanks for helping a new user.  
On 2/05/2012, at 11:21 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> THere should be an option in the View menu, but the shortcut is 
> command-shift-M.
> 
> 
> Jonathan C. Cohn
> jonc...@cox.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 1, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Lisette wesseling wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> Please can somebody tell me how to get my mailboxes table back. I can only 
>> see my inbox and tabbing doesn't get me to my mailboxes table. It just takes 
>> me to message content group. I've probably just pressed something I 
>> shouldn't have.
>> Thanks so much.
>> 
>> Lisette
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Re: Question about Bootcamp

[Alex Hall]

I think so. I use the Refit boot loader (I may have that name wrong)
to boot Mac OS and Windows. I don't see why I couldn't set up another
partition, though. I'm sure google will have plenty of in-depth
articles and tutorials about this. Note that you will need sighted
help to set up some of this, at least I did.

On 5/1/12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
> I'm pretty sure the short answer to this question will be technically?...
> yes... The long answer will probably be, yes, and no.
>
> Technically speaking, Bootcamp is made for either Windows Vista, or Windows
> 7.  Is there a way however that I could set up a bootcamp partition, then
> install UBuntu, Vinux, or F123 Linux?  preferably either the last two of the
> three.
>
> I know I could do this in VMWare Fusion, ok, fine, that's fair, but that's
> not exactly what I'm wanting to do for various reasons.  For another thing,
> being I'm an audio engineer, I want to keep my mac partition free of pretty
> much anything non audio related for my studio workflow.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chris.
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Re: web navigation?

[Alex Hall]

I've tried both, but I have no idea which is better, or even what the
difference really is. I have read the help for it, and I am very
familiar with what a DOM is, but i can't see a difference between the
functionality of both modes when I'm using either one.
Yes, I have the arrow keys down well enough. However, back to my
original question: if there's a long p element (paragraph), how do I
read line by line, word by word, and so on? Right arrowing will just
skip the whole thing, or jump to the top of it if I move back to it.

On 5/1/12, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> Up / down arrows will move the web rotar selection and left right will move
> by chunks. Do you use Group or Dom navigation?
>
> Best wishes,
> Jonathan
>
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> jonc...@cox.net
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>
>
> On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
>> I have quick nav on. However, the left/right arrows don't seem to
>> navigate reliably (I ended up at the bottom of a page, and you can't
>> read by smaller chunks inside, say, a paragraph of text). Say you're
>> reading an article and aren't sure how an oddly spoken phrase is
>> spelled. On Windows, or in an edit area on Mac, you'd arrow to the
>> line, then move word by word to the phrase, then read word by word or
>> character by character. How would you do this (efficiently, not by
>> moving the rotor all over the place and hoping you don't hit the wrong
>> key and jump out of the entire article) in Chrome or Safari? Even the
>> "lines" setting on the rotor is not very useful - I still have no idea
>> what it thinks a "line" is, and it never seems to move me anywhere.
>>
>> On 4/29/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I haven't had much luck with chrome vox.  All it does is crash chrome on
>>> my
>>> machine.  If you want to just navigate with arrows, you should just turn
>>> on
>>> quick nav by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time.
>>>
>>> JMO.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
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>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>
 I've heard of Chromevox and I even tried it a while back, but I found it
 confusing and difficult to work with. Still, if I can arrow around, it
 might be worth looking into again. Are there any podcasts on it?
 On 29 Apr 2012, at 20:49, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> You might want to try using chrome vox.  If you hit the command key
> twice
> while in chromevox then all the shortcuts are able to be done without
> holding down command-control.  Chrome Vox does do things a bit
> different
> for arrows. Up/Down is your primary navigator and left / right
> navigates
> at a smaller incrment.
>
> So if up/down is reading sentences then left / right will navigate by
> word.  In a table however all four arrow keys while in Object
> navigation
> will  navigate by table cell.
>
> I am not sure if dom/group works in Chomebox. In  Safari and Webkit,
> DOM
> mode navigates much like a windows browser with speech. Group mode
> combines major clusters of information and will navigate as things are
> layed out on the screen to the most part.
> Jonathan C. Cohn
> jonc...@cox.net
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I am using Chrome for a web browser, and I have a few questions about
>> reading and navigating web pages.
>>
>> 1. In the vo utility, you can choose either DOM order or grouping.
>> Which
>> is better?
>> 2. Is there a way to disable the web rotor, so the arrows will act
>> like
>> they do in text reading or editing? With letter navigation, I see the
>> web rotor as redundant and I'd rather use the arrow keys in the usual
>> text navigation way.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Kimsan]

Sounds like a lot of steps for checking who skiped you.

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Baxter
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

Lisette:

Please permit me to answer your question.  Once you have selected the
contact who sent you the message in the table under the toolbar, VO right
until you find the HTML content.  Interact with this and VO Right until you
hear the relevant message.  

Just FTR, mine seems to come up in the contacts table at the bottom of the
screen.  Vo Function Shift Left arrow on my MBP brings me to the tool bar at
the top, and one VO Right from there gets me to the table, which I interact
with and down to "recent," or whatever.  Seriously, people, what is the big
deal here?1


 . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
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RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi, Mark. It isn't so much that navigating out of skype home to find contacts 
is difficult; it isn't. It's just tedius and
should be unnecessary if folks want the program to start in the contacts list. 
Even though I know mac commands now and they
only take a few seconds, I still find them more complex than most things on the 
PC, and like I said, especially for new mac
users, this extra navigation, even if it is fairly simple, might seem 
overwhelming. I think I'm pretty much done with this
topic. Although the resolution to the problem isn't 1 I think is right or fair, 
the mystery seems to have been solved, so
there really isn't much more to be said.
Missy


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On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Baxter
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

I'm sorry, but it does not.  Skype home is merely an HTML window; even if 
Skype's focus started there, merely stop
interacting with the HTML content, VO left to the table, interact, then down to 
recent or whatever.  There's no complex
navigation involved.


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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I second Mark on this.  What is the big deal?  It really is not that 
difficult, trust us.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kimsan" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)



Sounds like a lot of steps for checking who skiped you.

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Baxter
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

Lisette:

Please permit me to answer your question.  Once you have selected the
contact who sent you the message in the table under the toolbar, VO right
until you find the HTML content.  Interact with this and VO Right until 
you

hear the relevant message.

Just FTR, mine seems to come up in the contacts table at the bottom of the
screen.  Vo Function Shift Left arrow on my MBP brings me to the tool bar 
at
the top, and one VO Right from there gets me to the table, which I 
interact
with and down to "recent," or whatever.  Seriously, people, what is the 
big

deal here?1


. Mark BurningHawk Baxter
. AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969  . MSN:
burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
. http://MarkBurningHawk.net/

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Re: Question about Bootcamp

[Brent Harding]

Boot Camp will go with Windows Natively, no need for the Refit loader, I 
don't think, but for whatever reason, I don't think the system will like 
that partition being turned into a linux one. I mean, I'm not sure how the 
Mac will take to making a Windows partition, booting a Ubuntu Live CD, and 
then turning the partition into the linux type. I thought I read that the 
problem has to do with the EFI firmware on mac's instead of the normal PC 
Bios that it may not boot the linux partition.


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From: "Alex Hall" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Bootcamp



I think so. I use the Refit boot loader (I may have that name wrong)
to boot Mac OS and Windows. I don't see why I couldn't set up another
partition, though. I'm sure google will have plenty of in-depth
articles and tutorials about this. Note that you will need sighted
help to set up some of this, at least I did.

On 5/1/12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:

I'm pretty sure the short answer to this question will be technically?...
yes... The long answer will probably be, yes, and no.

Technically speaking, Bootcamp is made for either Windows Vista, or 
Windows

7.  Is there a way however that I could set up a bootcamp partition, then
install UBuntu, Vinux, or F123 Linux?  preferably either the last two of 
the

three.

I know I could do this in VMWare Fusion, ok, fine, that's fair, but 
that's
not exactly what I'm wanting to do for various reasons.  For another 
thing,
being I'm an audio engineer, I want to keep my mac partition free of 
pretty

much anything non audio related for my studio workflow.

Thanks.

Chris.

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Question about itunes store

[Missy Hoppe]

Good evening, all! I had a weird thing happen for the first time when buying 
music from the itunes store. One of the songs I
bought refuses to download, claiming that the file is corrupt. I've tried 
checking for available downloads multiple times,
but keep getting the same error. Also, in the same mini shopping spree, I got 
an album where some of the track titles were
wrong, and were, in fact duplicates of other tracks on the same album. I've 
never had problems like this with the Itunes
store, and am wondering how I might go about getting tech support or requesting 
a refund for the song I wasn't able to
download and the ones which were listed on the album but really weren't there. 
Would I just call Apple, or is there an email
address I should contact. I tried looking at help on the itunes store, but 
couldn't find anything that fit either of the
situations I'm experiencing. Thank you all for your time, and any advice you 
may have would be extremely appreciated.
Missy


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Re: Question about itunes store

[Ezzie Bueno]

Hello Missy,

I had this problem myself and it seemed to fix itself once I restarted my 
computer.

HTH,
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On May 1, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Good evening, all! I had a weird thing happen for the first time when buying 
> music from the itunes store. One of the songs I
> bought refuses to download, claiming that the file is corrupt. I've tried 
> checking for available downloads multiple times,
> but keep getting the same error. Also, in the same mini shopping spree, I got 
> an album where some of the track titles were
> wrong, and were, in fact duplicates of other tracks on the same album. I've 
> never had problems like this with the Itunes
> store, and am wondering how I might go about getting tech support or 
> requesting a refund for the song I wasn't able to
> download and the ones which were listed on the album but really weren't 
> there. Would I just call Apple, or is there an email
> address I should contact. I tried looking at help on the itunes store, but 
> couldn't find anything that fit either of the
> situations I'm experiencing. Thank you all for your time, and any advice you 
> may have would be extremely appreciated.
> Missy
> 
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RE: Question about itunes store

[Missy Hoppe]

Thanks! It's worth a try. I guess if it doesn't work, I can try calling Apple 
tomorrow. They might be able to point me in the
right direction on how to get money back if need be.

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ezzie Bueno
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about itunes store


Hello Missy, 

I had this problem myself and it seemed to fix itself once I restarted my 
computer.

HTH,

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On May 1, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:


Good evening, all! I had a weird thing happen for the first time when buying 
music from the itunes store. One of the songs I
bought refuses to download, claiming that the file is corrupt. I've tried 
checking for available downloads multiple times,
but keep getting the same error. Also, in the same mini shopping spree, I got 
an album where some of the track titles were
wrong, and were, in fact duplicates of other tracks on the same album. I've 
never had problems like this with the Itunes
store, and am wondering how I might go about getting tech support or requesting 
a refund for the song I wasn't able to
download and the ones which were listed on the album but really weren't there. 
Would I just call Apple, or is there an email
address I should contact. I tried looking at help on the itunes store, but 
couldn't find anything that fit either of the
situations I'm experiencing. Thank you all for your time, and any advice you 
may have would be extremely appreciated.
Missy


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RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)

[Kimsan]

I said, it sounds like a lot of steps not that I have a problem with it lol.

I'm still 80% windows so cut me some slack smile!
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Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:45 PM
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I second Mark on this.  What is the big deal?  It really is not that
difficult, trust us.

Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)


> Sounds like a lot of steps for checking who skiped you.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
> Baxter
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?)
>
> Lisette:
>
> Please permit me to answer your question.  Once you have selected the
> contact who sent you the message in the table under the toolbar, VO right
> until you find the HTML content.  Interact with this and VO Right until 
> you
> hear the relevant message.
>
> Just FTR, mine seems to come up in the contacts table at the bottom of the
> screen.  Vo Function Shift Left arrow on my MBP brings me to the tool bar 
> at
> the top, and one VO Right from there gets me to the table, which I 
> interact
> with and down to "recent," or whatever.  Seriously, people, what is the 
> big
> deal here?1
>
>
> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
> . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969  . MSN:
> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: Mac Mail question

[Dan Roy]

Also, you can cut the message with ctrl-X and then paste it wherever you want 
it.  This is what I usually do, it works great.


On May 1, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi there!
> You can also open VO+shift+m and in that menu arrow down to the move sub menu!
> And there is also a move again which is set to the last mailbox you sent 
> something to!
> hth Colin
> 
> On 1 May 2012, at 22:57, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, I was looking in the wrong menu then. 
>> 
>> On 1 May 2012, at 20:14, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>> 
>>> Once you find it in Trash, Press VO M to go to the menu bar; go over to 
>>> Message, and down to "move to, submenu."  Right arrow there and then press 
>>> "I," for Inbox, and enter.  That will move the message from Trash to Inbox. 
>>>  If there are other messages in Trash that you wish to move to Inbox, you 
>>> can simply find them and hit Command Option T.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>> • My home page:
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Re: Question about Bootcamp

[Alex Hall]

The boot loader may not be necessary, but it makes life easy: I hit m
to boot mac os or w to boot windows when the machine starts, and it
does its thing. I forgot it used non-standard BIOS. Still, if you use
a live cd of linux to format a partition correctly, I'm not sure why
it wouldn't work. Again, google can answer this one way or the other,
and I recommend doing thorough research before doing anything else.

On 5/1/12, Brent Harding  wrote:
> Boot Camp will go with Windows Natively, no need for the Refit loader, I
> don't think, but for whatever reason, I don't think the system will like
> that partition being turned into a linux one. I mean, I'm not sure how the
> Mac will take to making a Windows partition, booting a Ubuntu Live CD, and
> then turning the partition into the linux type. I thought I read that the
> problem has to do with the EFI firmware on mac's instead of the normal PC
> Bios that it may not boot the linux partition.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alex Hall" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about Bootcamp
>
>
>>I think so. I use the Refit boot loader (I may have that name wrong)
>> to boot Mac OS and Windows. I don't see why I couldn't set up another
>> partition, though. I'm sure google will have plenty of in-depth
>> articles and tutorials about this. Note that you will need sighted
>> help to set up some of this, at least I did.
>>
>> On 5/1/12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
>>> I'm pretty sure the short answer to this question will be technically?...
>>> yes... The long answer will probably be, yes, and no.
>>>
>>> Technically speaking, Bootcamp is made for either Windows Vista, or
>>> Windows
>>> 7.  Is there a way however that I could set up a bootcamp partition, then
>>> install UBuntu, Vinux, or F123 Linux?  preferably either the last two of
>>> the
>>> three.
>>>
>>> I know I could do this in VMWare Fusion, ok, fine, that's fair, but
>>> that's
>>> not exactly what I'm wanting to do for various reasons.  For another
>>> thing,
>>> being I'm an audio engineer, I want to keep my mac partition free of
>>> pretty
>>> much anything non audio related for my studio workflow.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Chris.
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