Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind

[Eric Oyen]

well, if it comes down to doing that, I might have to. its getting ridiculously 
expensive to do anything here in Arizona. besides, the pay is probably better 
there as well.

-eric

On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:06 PM, Pam Mathers wrote:

> Hi Eric.  I have been listening to your situasionand I know you don't want to 
> go by way of windows so I have another suggestion.  I have some friends who 
> live in Texas and they say that the job oppurtunities for computer users are 
> endless and not only that but  you can have a lot of help there in buying 
> computers and learning them as well.  I know that isn't where you live but it 
> might be something to look in to.  They get a lot of help there and schooling 
> is free if you wanted to do that.  
> On Mar 28, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> that financing comes with a hitch: one cannot be on a debt management plan 
>> when applying. that is where I am now. any application that gets approved 
>> will through the 3 years of work trying to pay off a credit card. 
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> You can get Apple products for 0 interest for 12 months if you apply for 
>>> their credit card.
>>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Pam Mathers wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Eric.  I know  lot of people who cannot afford Imac but can afford a 
 windows.  A lot of blind people I know have window eyes or jaws.  Some of 
 them get used ones and others can get them by putting so much money down a 
 month.  You might have to go by way of windows for now which I understand 
 is just as good only different.
 On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite.
> 
> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of 
> support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities 
> commission stating different rulings and then telling me that my project 
> does not warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered 
> numbers, etc.
> 
> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's 
> left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved.
> 
> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for 
> accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my 
> years of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting 
> guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the 
> support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to 
> apply for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) 
> were rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, 
> offerings of £100 to £250 towards a product and then not being able to 
> apply to X amount of other charities (connected to the associated charity 
> in question) due to ridiculous clauses.
> 
> I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is 
> through having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear 
> from years ago to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's 
> been a thing of taking on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I 
> still have to rely on.
> 
> internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to help 
> us out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly 
> support blind and disabled users and yet we have to pay an absolute 
> premium, as rightly said here, over 85% of blind people in the USA are 
> out of work and cannot afford the equipment and services needed, the same 
> here in the UK even though disability living allowance and other 
> components aren't enough to cover costs of equipment. You're lucky if you 
> get into a university to receive grants for equipment you need. In my 
> case, through my education, the equipment I had to use failed me all the 
> time, the wrong software, wrong hardware and operating systems which by 
> their own admission were poorly managed and had huge issues. hence me 
> taking on the matters in person and resolving them. a battle I don't want 
> to entertain ever again.
> 
> It's at this point where we as a nation of blind and visually impaired 
> people make a stand and a change for the better.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 26 Mar 2012, at 10:22, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes 
>> to mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a 
>> great many others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of 
>> the blind in the US are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any 
>> equipment. Hell, I had to make my own Hackintosh and load it with a 
>> store purchased copy of snow leopard. It c

Re: Lion or snow leperd

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I would upgrade.  If you don't like it, you can always go back after all.  Just 
plug in an external drive and creat a time machine backup of snow leopard 
before upgrading.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Nancy Wyman  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> Are you glad you updated to Lyon? Would you rather have stayed with Snow 
> Leopard? I'm making a choice whether I should stay with Snow Leopard or 
> update to lion I use voice over any feedback would be helpful
> Thanks
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Lion or snow leperd

[Lewis Alexander]

You can upgrade but please be aware that if your system is current, a downgrade 
is REFUSED as the firmware is upgraded on install of 10.7 and the drive 
partitioning behaviour also changed. if you run into difficulties with an 
installation, use ONLY your recovery media to reset the system as retail disks 
will not perform a complete wipe of the firmware directly.

I've been there and done that many times for both clients and myself.

Lion is a little easier to install and offers a few advantages, but if you 
don't get on with lion and need to go back to snow leopard, it's  a little 
trickier than most people think as snow leopard has to downgrade firmware to 
previous values.

lew

On 29 Mar 2012, at 11:13, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I would upgrade.  If you don't like it, you can always go back after all.  
> Just plug in an external drive and creat a time machine backup of snow 
> leopard before upgrading.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Nancy Wyman  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> Are you glad you updated to Lyon? Would you rather have stayed with Snow 
>> Leopard? I'm making a choice whether I should stay with Snow Leopard or 
>> update to lion I use voice over any feedback would be helpful
>> Thanks
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Lion or snow leperd

[Scott Howell]

Nancy, personally I do not regret upgrading to Lion and at some point you will 
regret not keeping up with the JOneses. :) There are many reasons to consider 
upgrading and if you were to wait until Mountain Lion you would be fine. 

On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Nancy Wyman wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> Are you glad you updated to Lyon? Would you rather have stayed with Snow 
> Leopard? I'm making a choice whether I should stay with Snow Leopard or 
> update to lion I use voice over any feedback would be helpful
> Thanks
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

[Gigi]

Hi Mark
I would like to say that the two biggest problems, and it's not a problem for 
everybody, our tables and PDF files if you need to fill out forms. I have 
gotten around this by telling one of my customers that tables were not an 
option right now. That is a choice I had. Not everybody has that choice of 
course. Ask for PDF files, I'll just have to use my vista computer when I 
absolutely have to. Actually, I gave it to my husband.
Some people have said that there is a problem with flash also, but I haven't 
had much trouble with that.
Regards Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post
> to MacVisionaries... be gentle.
> 
> In the same way I used that list to educate myself before purchasing
> an iPhone, I'm hoping to learn some stuff about the Mac here since I'm
> thinking of making the jump. Seeing as how I have the iPhone 4, plan
> on getting the next iPhone that's released in the fall and own an
> Apple TV, I figured it made sense to migrate to the Mac... or at least
> entertain the possibility. I live in Ontario and, thanks to the
> assistive devices program, 75% of a new computer is covered every five
> years for those with accessibility needs.
> 
> They recently started covering Apple products and my five years is up
> this fall so I was thinking of taking full advantage of this.
> 
> With that being said, I have a variety of different questions to ask
> on here. I just wanted to know what the best way to go about it was.
> They cover a wide range of topics and I don't want to spam the list.
> On the other side however, putting them all in one e-mail would
> probably deter people from viewing certain questions they could answer
> because of other questions.
> 
> So erm... I guess I'm asking what standard practice is around here for
> such things. I bet you guys get the same questions from new comers all
> the time so I don't want to be repetitive either.
> 
> Thanks for any advice you can lend and I look forward to learning
> about the wonderful world of Mac! :)
> 
> -Marc
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QT applications

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi all,
So, I'm back on Mac (finally) now that Lion has fixed all of the bugs I 
considered show stoppers in Snow Leopard. It's good to be back, however, I'm 
having a rather strange problem that I can't account for. No applications based 
on QT seem to be accessible anymore. These include TeamTalk, Rockbox Utility, 
VirtualBox, and a few others. I didn't use TeamTalk back in sl, but I did use 
Rockbox Utility and VirtualBox regularly. In sl, QT applications were quirky 
but useable. In Lion, however, I can't use them at all. Everything renders as 
unknown, and interacting with these unknowns either reveals nothing or reveals 
more blank unknowns inside. The bewildering part about this is that I know a 
few people who do not have this issue with these same programs, so I'm trying 
to trace it. So far, I've had no luck. I've tried in both 32-bit and 64-bit 
modes (I come from a Linux background so I know how 32-bit and 64-bit libraries 
can have trouble interacting with one another) but that doesn't make a 
difference. I'm wondering if I'm missing a library somehow, but if I am, it's 
one that doesn't come with Lion as I've set up Lion in a Fusion virtual machine 
and still have the same problem.
Can anyone shed some light on this? Those who have QT applications working with 
VoiceOver, did you install or configure anything to make it work? If I can get 
this bit working, I can ditch Windows for good.

Thanks

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Accessible Excel for the mac or something not as hard to use and confusing as Numbers

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
So I am writing because I need to use excel for one of my classes and I just 
can't seem to get a good grasp on numbers not to mention  I can't seem to find 
the statistical functions I need. So does anyone have any good suggestions for 
an Excel like program that is not so confusing and doesn't have a boat load of 
accessibility issues? Thanks .

Becky

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Re: MacBook pro description of connecters

[Chris Blouch]

Do you know what vintage? The connectors down the left edge have changed 
over the years. Easiest thing is to do About This Mac under the Apple 
menu. If it is running OSX 10.7 there is a More Info button to get 
details. On mine, after the "computer icon image" it says MacBook Pro 
16-inch, Mid 2010.


CB

On 3/28/12 9:13 PM, Mickey Quenzer wrote:

Hello All:

I am under water looking up as I've taken the plunge and purchased a used
MacBook Pro.
Can someone explain it's connectors?
What connecters can I get to plug it in to our Panasonic TV.
Can you use HDMI?

Also, Is it a good idea to get an external TrackPad?

Any suggestions about the accessories I should look for would be
appreciated.

Soon I'll write my email on that PC, but now... Let's just say I'm a bit
confused grin!

*** Mickey Quenzer ***
***Assistive Technology Training And Consulting Services LLC ***
*** Phone: 541-218-3975 ***
*** Web site: http://www.attacs.net ***




-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind

Eric,

Tell ya what I have not seen anything that says it is truly 30% more than
other hardware. However, even if that were true, I'd gladly pay 30% more for
a product that is of a higher quality than most other similar devices on the
market. In fact when you start to consider and compare the cost of a PC to a
Mac the PC is less expensive. THis is partially because vendors such as
Dell, HP, etc. get paid by vendors to install trial software etc. on the
machines sold. There are a lot of things that help to reduce the price of
PCs.
Also, consider the fact that many handset manufacturers are practically
giving phones away to move them. THe carriers subsidize the handsets and
then there are the  offers of by one get one free etc. APple does not have
to make such deals and yet people will stil purchase the product. So, what
does that tell you? Apple sets the price and if you want the product you
will pay for it. If not, then you did not want that product. Hey I
traded/sold a G4 Mini for $200 and it was about seven years old. Could you
sell a seven-year old PC for about a third of its original value after seven
years? Probably not.

On Mar 27, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:


ok, I concede the point. I still have the opine n that their equipment is

at least 30% over priced.

-eric

On Mar 26, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Scott Howell wrote:


Eric,

Honestly I hear you, but I just do not agree. There are people out there

who have other disabilities or have no disabilities at all and have the same
issues as you. My point is Apple nor any company should be expected to
subsidize anything for anyone and I am including myself. There are companies
like Gizelle that takes older equipment and resells it. A lot of times you
can get a very good deal on a machine. There are also other companies that
do something similar. So, there are sources available, but I just see no
reason for APple regardless of how much money they have to get into the
business of providing machines at a reduced price for someone with a
disability. I think your number exercise is leaving out the larger community
of people with disabilities. YOu start adding in all the different types of
disabilities you will see the cost would go up substantially.

You know nothing is easy and we all have to work with what we have

available to us. I never said it would be easy or seem fair, but if you have
food to eat and a place to live I think you have the basic needs met. This
whole idea of redistributing the wealth of companies and individuals is
unreasonable and counterproductive, and that is what you are advocating.

I think the fact that APple does not charge for VoiceOver is a

considerable advantage because hey you aren't buying a $500 computer and
tacking another chunk of change on top just to get a usable screen reader. I
think that counts for something. :)


On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:41 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:


I realize this. the problem is that there is absolutely no possibility

that I will ever be able to save up for one. I get $718 a month and between
the rent, food and cell phone, I have nothing left. I actually have to
borrow money each month just to pay the medications co-pay (that leaves me
about $30 in the hole each month).

this computer and 1 handheld radio are about the only things I own

outright (and the computer is about 4 years old).

now, if I were employed, I wouldn't even have these problems. I would be

living in a slightly nicer place (outside of gang territory), paying my
taxes, having real health insurance, and buying real food (not the cheap
crap chock full of chemistry and virtually no food value).

you are right, too, that apple doesn't HAVE TO reduce their prices. they

could garner an even bigger share of the laptop and deskto

RE: Accessible Excel for the mac or something not as hard to use and confusing as Numbers

[Marcia Yale]

Have you tried Tables? I am not an expert on the math functions it contains,
but it is very accessible in terms of moving around and you can even import
Excel (XLS) files into it.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Becky Knaub
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessible Excel for the mac or something not as hard to use and
confusing as Numbers

Hi All,
So I am writing because I need to use excel for one of my classes and I just
can't seem to get a good grasp on numbers not to mention  I can't seem to
find the statistical functions I need. So does anyone have any good
suggestions for an Excel like program that is not so confusing and doesn't
have a boat load of accessibility issues? Thanks .

Becky

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Re: Accessible Excel for the mac or something not as hard to use and confusing as Numbers

[erik burggraaf]

Hi,  Open office calc is not the most stable thing ever, but it's very close to 
excel in how it works.

Best,

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On 2012-03-29, at 11:10 AM, Becky Knaub wrote:

> Hi All,
> So I am writing because I need to use excel for one of my classes and I just 
> can't seem to get a good grasp on numbers not to mention  I can't seem to 
> find the statistical functions I need. So does anyone have any good 
> suggestions for an Excel like program that is not so confusing and doesn't 
> have a boat load of accessibility issues? Thanks .
> 
> Becky
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AirFoil and Option-Clicking

[Austin Seraphin]

I've started playing with AirFoil. It rocks. It lets you pipe an application's 
audio through AirPlay. This also lets you select your audio source, giving a 
way to make iTunes use a different audio output. I want to ditch iTunes for 
music playing of course, and if possible would like to use the Music Player 
Daemon (MPD). This would give a far more blind-friendly interface. VLC seems 
too buggy.

Anyways, I wrote them to ask how to get MPD going through AirFoil. They wrote 
back and said to option-click on the audio source button, then I could select 
eh MPD process directly. I can't seem to get the hang of it though. Firstly 
this button has a rather non-standard behavior - the standard activation 
commands don't work, and you have to hit space or bring up a shortcut menu. 
Doing a simulated mouse click with Vo-shift-space also works. I tried routing 
the mouse cursor, turning off trackpad commander, then trying an option-click, 
but to no avail. Can anyone suggest how to bring up this alternate menu?

Thanks, and if you love AirPlay then try AirFoil. It has a few little things 
about it so ask if you need help.

 - Austin

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Re: importing vo-preffereces in osx-lion

[accessibility]

Please include the line below in follow-up emails for this request.

Follow-up:  196742241

Hello,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know 
that the problem you describe was recently reported to Apple, and we are 
currently investigating this issue. Unfortunately we cannot comment on when it 
may be resolved.


Apple Accessibility

Hello,
Since 10.7, I wasn't able to import all my preferences and specially the 
trackpad commander-settings.
As developer, it seems not possible also in the current release of 10.8
In attachment, you can find a voprefs-file of my adjustments> I have created 
specific trackpad commands with the command- and shift-keys.  
It should be nice if you could import this settings and see if it works?
If you have any commands with the shift and command key, it should be fine 
since since this keys doesn't have any assignments by default.

This settings for the trackpad commander are made in 10.6 but, should also work 
in 10.7?

Any comments or hints should be great.
kind regards,
William Windels



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Re: QT applications

[Esther]

Hi Jacob,

Is it possible that most of these applications ran QuickTime 7?  If Rockbox was 
built for the earlier versions, it almost certainly ran QuickTime 7. In Snow 
Leopard QuickTime 7 was still distributed on the system DVDs -- it just wasn't 
loaded by default.  In Lion you're going to have to separately download 
QuickTime 7 if you want older AppleScripts based on it to work.  You'll also 
have to change those references from QuickTime to QuickTime 7.  I had to do 
this to update my AppleScripts that speed up podcast listening.

To download QuickTime 7 for Lion, check the Apple KnowledgeBase support page:
• Installing QuickTime Player 7 on Mac OS X v10.6 or Later
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3678

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:

> Hi all,
> So, I'm back on Mac (finally) now that Lion has fixed all of the bugs I 
> considered show stoppers in Snow Leopard. It's good to be back, however, I'm 
> having a rather strange problem that I can't account for. No applications 
> based on QT seem to be accessible anymore. These include TeamTalk, Rockbox 
> Utility, VirtualBox, and a few others. I didn't use TeamTalk back in sl, but 
> I did use Rockbox Utility and VirtualBox regularly. In sl, QT applications 
> were quirky but useable. In Lion, however, I can't use them at all. 
> Everything renders as unknown, and interacting with these unknowns either 
> reveals nothing or reveals more blank unknowns inside. The bewildering part 
> about this is that I know a few people who do not have this issue with these 
> same programs, so I'm trying to trace it. So far, I've had no luck. I've 
> tried in both 32-bit and 64-bit modes (I come from a Linux background so I 
> know how 32-bit and 64-bit libraries can have trouble interacting with one 
> another) but that doesn't make a difference. I'm wondering if I'm missing a 
> library somehow, but if I am, it's one that doesn't come with Lion as I've 
> set up Lion in a Fusion virtual machine and still have the same problem.
> Can anyone shed some light on this? Those who have QT applications working 
> with VoiceOver, did you install or configure anything to make it work? If I 
> can get this bit working, I can ditch Windows for good.
> 
> Thanks
> 

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Re: baffled in lion 3 column mail layout help please!

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Thanks Mark,

I did all the suggested steps but nothing worked until I entered full screen. 
Don't know if this was the trigger of tins clarifying but it certainly appears 
so.

Great tips though!

Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
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On Mar 28, 2012, at 8:46 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Ioana,
>  
> I suggest the following settings for the current version of Mail:
>  
> 1.
> From the View Menu, select Organize by Conversation.
>  
> 2.
> From the View Menu, select Collapse All Conversations.
>  
> Now you will be able to quickly read messages in a threaded view.
>  
> 3.
> In the Mail Preferences Dialog box, on the Viewing Tab, in addition to 
> unchecking Use Classic Layout, set both List Preview  and Show Message Header 
> Detail to "None".
>  
> 4.
> Now, to jump from the Message List (center column) to the Message Content 
> Table, (right column) use either Control+Tab (left hand only) or 
> Tab+Command+Option (Command and Option should be on the right hand in most 
> cases) to make this work.
>  
> 5.
> Once you're in the Message Contents Table, you may use VO+Left and VO+Right 
> arrow keys to quickly jump from one message in the thread to another.  Note 
> that with this configuration, VoiceOver will begin reading each message 
> automatically.
>  
> Please also note that with this configuration it is not necessary to actually 
> open a message or even a message thread.
>  
> In episode 98 of the Candle Shore Podcast, I demonstrate the basic 
> functionality of Mail using the configuration described above.  Since then, 
> the commands have been changed as reflected above but the 9 minute episode is 
> still valid in terms of overall navigation concept.
>  
> Click Here to go to the post containing the link to the episode.
>  
> Good Luck,
>  
> Mark
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ioana Gandrabur
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:37 PM
> To: MacVisionaries
> Subject: baffled in lion 3 column mail layout help please!
>  
> Hi all,
>  
> Until recently I have used classic layout to avoid downloading messages in 
> the pre-view pain because I was on a limited data plan. I have now officially 
> joined the ranks of advanced people and thought I would try out the 3 column 
> layout.
>  
> I have preview list set to 1 line and classic layout unchecked.
> I vo around to reach a message and press vo j but it lands me in the 
> mailboxes list. I end up opening the messages with command o. is  the 
> procedure outlined in the getting started guide working?
>  
> Thanks for your help!
>  
> Ioana
>  
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
>  
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Calling All Focus 40 Blue Users

[M. Taylor]

Hello Listers,

I am cross-posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing
lists.

I am delighted to inform you that I am now the proud owner of a
brand-spanking new Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue Braille display.  I will
go pick it up from the post office sometime within the next 4 hours. 

If memory serves, and many times it does not (smile), I recall reading here
that there are some nuances regarding the Focus-40 of which a new user
should be aware.  

So, I would greatly appreciate any advice on how I can get my new display up
and running so I can, once again, enjoy the privilege of exploring my
iPhone, Mac, and online world via a refreshable Braille display.  

Thank you all In Advance,

Mark 

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Re: QT applications

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
QT, not quicktime. QT, the GUI toolkit. Rockbox, for example, has absolutely 
zero to do with quicktime at all. Perhaps I should have specified that, but I 
guess I thought the names of apps would have made that clear.
On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Jacob,
> 
> Is it possible that most of these applications ran QuickTime 7?  If Rockbox 
> was built for the earlier versions, it almost certainly ran QuickTime 7. In 
> Snow Leopard QuickTime 7 was still distributed on the system DVDs -- it just 
> wasn't loaded by default.  In Lion you're going to have to separately 
> download QuickTime 7 if you want older AppleScripts based on it to work.  
> You'll also have to change those references from QuickTime to QuickTime 7.  I 
> had to do this to update my AppleScripts that speed up podcast listening.
> 
> To download QuickTime 7 for Lion, check the Apple KnowledgeBase support page:
> • Installing QuickTime Player 7 on Mac OS X v10.6 or Later
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3678
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> So, I'm back on Mac (finally) now that Lion has fixed all of the bugs I 
>> considered show stoppers in Snow Leopard. It's good to be back, however, I'm 
>> having a rather strange problem that I can't account for. No applications 
>> based on QT seem to be accessible anymore. These include TeamTalk, Rockbox 
>> Utility, VirtualBox, and a few others. I didn't use TeamTalk back in sl, but 
>> I did use Rockbox Utility and VirtualBox regularly. In sl, QT applications 
>> were quirky but useable. In Lion, however, I can't use them at all. 
>> Everything renders as unknown, and interacting with these unknowns either 
>> reveals nothing or reveals more blank unknowns inside. The bewildering part 
>> about this is that I know a few people who do not have this issue with these 
>> same programs, so I'm trying to trace it. So far, I've had no luck. I've 
>> tried in both 32-bit and 64-bit modes (I come from a Linux background so I 
>> know how 32-bit and 64-bit libraries can have trouble interacting with one 
>> another) but that doesn't make a difference. I'm wondering if I'm missing a 
>> library somehow, but if I am, it's one that doesn't come with Lion as I've 
>> set up Lion in a Fusion virtual machine and still have the same problem.
>> Can anyone shed some light on this? Those who have QT applications working 
>> with VoiceOver, did you install or configure anything to make it work? If I 
>> can get this bit working, I can ditch Windows for good.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: baffled in lion 3 column mail layout help please!

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hello again,

I love not having to hear header info. HOwever, can I with header info turned 
off still reply to a message  on message list to sender only? I suppose the 
question is if one can view header details on occasion for specific message?

THanks for your help!

Ioana
Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> Thanks Mark,
> 
> I did all the suggested steps but nothing worked until I entered full screen. 
> Don't know if this was the trigger of tins clarifying but it certainly 
> appears so.
> 
> Great tips though!
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Mar 28, 2012, at 8:46 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Ioana,
>>  
>> I suggest the following settings for the current version of Mail:
>>  
>> 1.
>> From the View Menu, select Organize by Conversation.
>>  
>> 2.
>> From the View Menu, select Collapse All Conversations.
>>  
>> Now you will be able to quickly read messages in a threaded view.
>>  
>> 3.
>> In the Mail Preferences Dialog box, on the Viewing Tab, in addition to 
>> unchecking Use Classic Layout, set both List Preview  and Show Message 
>> Header Detail to "None".
>>  
>> 4.
>> Now, to jump from the Message List (center column) to the Message Content 
>> Table, (right column) use either Control+Tab (left hand only) or 
>> Tab+Command+Option (Command and Option should be on the right hand in most 
>> cases) to make this work.
>>  
>> 5.
>> Once you're in the Message Contents Table, you may use VO+Left and VO+Right 
>> arrow keys to quickly jump from one message in the thread to another.  Note 
>> that with this configuration, VoiceOver will begin reading each message 
>> automatically.
>>  
>> Please also note that with this configuration it is not necessary to 
>> actually open a message or even a message thread.
>>  
>> In episode 98 of the Candle Shore Podcast, I demonstrate the basic 
>> functionality of Mail using the configuration described above.  Since then, 
>> the commands have been changed as reflected above but the 9 minute episode 
>> is still valid in terms of overall navigation concept.
>>  
>> Click Here to go to the post containing the link to the episode.
>>  
>> Good Luck,
>>  
>> Mark
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ioana Gandrabur
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:37 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Subject: baffled in lion 3 column mail layout help please!
>>  
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> Until recently I have used classic layout to avoid downloading messages in 
>> the pre-view pain because I was on a limited data plan. I have now 
>> officially joined the ranks of advanced people and thought I would try out 
>> the 3 column layout.
>>  
>> I have preview list set to 1 line and classic layout unchecked.
>> I vo around to reach a message and press vo j but it lands me in the 
>> mailboxes list. I end up opening the messages with command o. is  the 
>> procedure outlined in the getting started guide working?
>>  
>> Thanks for your help!
>>  
>> Ioana
>>  
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>> stores.
>>  
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Re: Accessible Excel for the mac or something not as hard to use and confusing as Numbers

[Esther]

Hi Becky,

You might want to try Tables by Daniel Schwill:
http://www.x-tables.eu/

Most people find this to have a more intuitive interface than Numbers.  It will 
support most of the standard spreadsheet operations, but not all the features 
that an Excel power user might want.  You can get the 30-day free trial 
download.  They also have an educational discount, if you purchase from an 
email address with a .edu or other such identifying extension (currently $27.80 
instead of $42.42 for a single user license).

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 29, 2012, at 7:56 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi,  Open office calc is not the most stable thing ever, but it's very close 
> to excel in how it works.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android accessibility, New 
> drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com
>  
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2012-03-29, at 11:10 AM, Becky Knaub wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> So I am writing because I need to use excel for one of my classes and I just 
>> can't seem to get a good grasp on numbers not to mention  I can't seem to 
>> find the statistical functions I need. So does anyone have any good 
>> suggestions for an Excel like program that is not so confusing and doesn't 
>> have a boat load of accessibility issues? Thanks .
>> 
>> Becky
>> 

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How can I check if reply was sent in lion mail layout

[Ioana Gandrabur]

HI all,
An other mail question from a newly with lion mail layout:
IS there a way to see the status of reply being sent or not in this view? In 
classic layout you would have a column that would say if reply was sent.

Thanks,


Ioana

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App to amplify sound in local vicinity

[chris hallsworth]

Hello all.
I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
running iOS 5.1.

Thanks!
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Re: AppleWorks Conversion to something more modern?

[Esther]

Hi Mike,

Teresa is correct; you can open the later version, individual cwk files in 
iWorks -- most likely in Pages from your description.  However, probably an 
easier way to deal with these files is to batch convert them from AppleWorks 
format to Pages format using an AppleScript.  

You can download an AppleScript named "batch_AWxWP2Pages.zip" that will perform 
this conversion from the MobileMe iDisk of Yvan Koenig at:

Download: For_iWork:For_Pages:batch_AWxWP2Pages.zip

To navigate to the download link for this AppleScript, use the URL for Yvan 
Koenig's public iDisk:
http://public.me.com/koenigyvan

Then use item chooser menu (VO-I) to navigate to each successive sub-directory 
that is separated by the colons.  For example, first use item chooser menu to 
navigate to "For_iWork", which will be announced as "clickable". Press either 
"Return" or use VO-Space to select this item as the location you want to 
navigate to, then use VO-Space to "click" the item. Perform the same steps with 
item chooser menu to navigate to "For_Pages" within the "For_iWork" directory, 
and again click on this with VO-Space.  After you use item chooser menu a third 
time to navigate to "batch_AWxWP2Pages.zip" and VO-Space to click on the file 
selection, use item chooser a final time to find the "Download" clickable 
element that will actually initiate the download of this AppleScript when you 
click with VO-Space.

By the way, this directory is the same location where I found an AppleScript to 
batch convert Pages output to Word document format in response to Yuma's 
question last year.  If you think this is something you might use, you can also 
use item chooser menu to find the "batch_exportPages2DOC.zip" AppleScript, 
VO-Space, then find the "Download" clickable element again and VO-Space to 
download that AppleScript, as well, before you leave the site.

You'll find the file(s) in your Downloads folder.  From Safari, press 
Command-Option-L to move to your Downloads window.  This shortcut works for me, 
as long as my Safari tool bar is not hidden, but if you can't view your 
downloaded files when you press Command-Option-L, toggle Safari into full 
screen mode with Command-Control-F before trying Command-Option-L again.  
(Thanks to Søren and others who confirmed this works on their 15 inch MacBook 
Pro models; it's not clear why some models require this and others do not, but 
putting Safari into full screen mode should enable all Macs to view downloads 
window content with Command-Option-L.  You can toggle out of full screen mode 
with another Command-Control-F.)

The source code is documented in French and English.  If your files are cwk 6.0 
or later, then it should just convert them to Pages format.  However, if they 
are earlier than version 6.0 cwk files, you'll need a copy of AppleWorks 6 on 
your machine so that the AppleScript can first convert them to AppleWorks 6.0 
format, and then convert them to Pages format.  This probably means that you 
have to be running Snow Leopard or earlier, so you can run the earlier programs 
that were designed for the PowerPC Macs in Rosetta mode, as well as having a 
copy of the AppleWorks 6 program.  If this is the case, you should probably run 
the downloaded AppleScript for "batch_AWxWP2Pages" from an older Mac.  The 
older PowerPC models that were loaded with Tiger came with AppleWorks and other 
OS 7 software, as well.  

The way that Yvan Koenig's script works, if you select a folder which contains 
the files you want to batch convert, and then run the AppleScript that you 
downloaded and opened, by pressing Command-R, converted versions of the files 
will be created in the same folder.  This was the way the AppleScript to batch 
convert Pages files to Word document format worked.  You can save the 
AppleScript in any location, but if you want to be able to access it from your 
menu bar, save it to the Library/Scripts folder for your account.  While in the 
AppleScript editor that you opened when accessing the script file, press 
Command-Comma to bring up your preferences window, then check the box for "Show 
script menu in menu bar" before closing the window with Command-W.  This will 
make an "AppleScript" menu visible on your status menu bar.  You can navigate 
to it with either VO-M-M or Control-F8, and if you arrow down into it, you'll 
find any AppleScripts that you've placed into your Library/Scripts folder, 
along with the various folders of your computer's AppleScripts (if the box for 
"Show Computer Scripts" was also checked under your AppleScript preferences 
window).

Under Lion, your Library folder is hidden.  You can still view it if you use 
the Command-Shift-G shortcut for "Go to folder" and type into the dialog text 
box:
~/Library
(that's a tilde, followed by a slash, followed by the word "Library" with no 
spaces between any of the characters).  Then press "return' to actually go 
there.  The tilde is a shorthand wa

Re: importing vo-preffereces in osx-lion

[Simon Cavendish]

Please note, that this message had not originated from me and therefore should 
not have been sent to me either. This is not the first time that this has 
happened. This is a worrying trend in the way you track messages.

With best regards

Simon Cavendish
On 29 Mar 2012, at 19:45, accessibil...@apple.com wrote:

> Please include the line below in follow-up emails for this request.
> 
> Follow-up:  196742241
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you 
> know that the problem you describe was recently reported to Apple, and we are 
> currently investigating this issue. Unfortunately we cannot comment on when 
> it may be resolved.
> 
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> Hello,
> Since 10.7, I wasn't able to import all my preferences and specially the 
> trackpad commander-settings.
> As developer, it seems not possible also in the current release of 10.8
> In attachment, you can find a voprefs-file of my adjustments> I have created 
> specific trackpad commands with the command- and shift-keys.  
> It should be nice if you could import this settings and see if it works?
> If you have any commands with the shift and command key, it should be fine 
> since since this keys doesn't have any assignments by default.
> 
> This settings for the trackpad commander are made in 10.6 but, should also 
> work in 10.7?
> 
> Any comments or hints should be great.
> kind regards,
> William Windels
> 
> 
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Re: baffled in lion 3 column mail layout help please!

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Ioana.

If you want to reply to a message, press enter on it and do command R or 
Command shift R reply to all.

If you want to see the headers of the message?  Press command shift H and if 
you do that twice you either get the short header or the long header as VO will 
tell you which is displayed.  Do not forget to shift tab and interact with the 
piece of information you want to view.

Hope this is of assistance to you and anyone else.

Kawal.

On 29 Mar 2012, at 08:08 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Hello again,
> 
> I love not having to hear header info. HOwever, can I with header info turned 
> off still reply to a message  on message list to sender only? I suppose the 
> question is if one can view header details on occasion for specific message?
> 
> THanks for your help!
> 
> Ioana
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Mark,
>> 
>> I did all the suggested steps but nothing worked until I entered full 
>> screen. Don't know if this was the trigger of tins clarifying but it 
>> certainly appears so.
>> 
>> Great tips though!
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>> stores.
>> 
>> On Mar 28, 2012, at 8:46 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Ioana,
>>>  
>>> I suggest the following settings for the current version of Mail:
>>>  
>>> 1.
>>> From the View Menu, select Organize by Conversation.
>>>  
>>> 2.
>>> From the View Menu, select Collapse All Conversations.
>>>  
>>> Now you will be able to quickly read messages in a threaded view.
>>>  
>>> 3.
>>> In the Mail Preferences Dialog box, on the Viewing Tab, in addition to 
>>> unchecking Use Classic Layout, set both List Preview  and Show Message 
>>> Header Detail to "None".
>>>  
>>> 4.
>>> Now, to jump from the Message List (center column) to the Message Content 
>>> Table, (right column) use either Control+Tab (left hand only) or 
>>> Tab+Command+Option (Command and Option should be on the right hand in most 
>>> cases) to make this work.
>>>  
>>> 5.
>>> Once you're in the Message Contents Table, you may use VO+Left and VO+Right 
>>> arrow keys to quickly jump from one message in the thread to another.  Note 
>>> that with this configuration, VoiceOver will begin reading each message 
>>> automatically.
>>>  
>>> Please also note that with this configuration it is not necessary to 
>>> actually open a message or even a message thread.
>>>  
>>> In episode 98 of the Candle Shore Podcast, I demonstrate the basic 
>>> functionality of Mail using the configuration described above.  Since then, 
>>> the commands have been changed as reflected above but the 9 minute episode 
>>> is still valid in terms of overall navigation concept.
>>>  
>>> Click Here to go to the post containing the link to the episode.
>>>  
>>> Good Luck,
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ioana Gandrabur
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:37 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: baffled in lion 3 column mail layout help please!
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> Until recently I have used classic layout to avoid downloading messages in 
>>> the pre-view pain because I was on a limited data plan. I have now 
>>> officially joined the ranks of advanced people and thought I would try out 
>>> the 3 column layout.
>>>  
>>> I have preview list set to 1 line and classic layout unchecked.
>>> I vo around to reach a message and press vo j but it lands me in the 
>>> mailboxes list. I end up opening the messages with command o. is  the 
>>> procedure outlined in the getting started guide working?
>>>  
>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>  
>>> Ioana
>>>  
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>>> stores.
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Re: How can I check if reply was sent in lion mail layout

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Ioana again.

Normally the new reply gets attached to the end of the conversation if you are 
viewing the conversation left to right with VO.  Or the new message will appear 
first if you have deleted the other messages from the conversations.  I hope 
this is not too confusing for you and others.

Kawal.

On 29 Mar 2012, at 08:40 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> HI all,
> An other mail question from a newly with lion mail layout:
> IS there a way to see the status of reply being sent or not in this view? In 
> classic layout you would have a column that would say if reply was sent.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
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Re: Calling All Focus 40 Blue Users

[Teresa Cochran]

The only problem I've had on the Mac specifically is that my display goes to 
sleep for about ten minutes when I first plug it in via USB and does the same 
when I restart VO in USB mode. I stumped three levels of Apple help folks with 
this one, including someone purported to be an engineer, so I'm guessing 
there's a good possibility of it being a bug. I'd suggest using the Bluetooth 
and plugging the AC cord in.

Have fun. This display is really a joy to use. I use it with IBooks and text 
files all the time.

HTh,
Teresa

"Visualize whirled peas."

On Mar 29, 2012, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Listers,
> 
> I am cross-posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing
> lists.
> 
> I am delighted to inform you that I am now the proud owner of a
> brand-spanking new Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue Braille display.  I will
> go pick it up from the post office sometime within the next 4 hours. 
> 
> If memory serves, and many times it does not (smile), I recall reading here
> that there are some nuances regarding the Focus-40 of which a new user
> should be aware.  
> 
> So, I would greatly appreciate any advice on how I can get my new display up
> and running so I can, once again, enjoy the privilege of exploring my
> iPhone, Mac, and online world via a refreshable Braille display.  
> 
> Thank you all In Advance,
> 
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Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Jenny Perdue Keller]

I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to everyone no 
matter what command I use. Help.



Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

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> Hello all.
> I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I ask, 
> what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to hearing aid 
> problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 running iOS 5.1.
> Thanks!
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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Scott Howell]

If you are replying to someone on the list then that is where your message will 
go. In order to reply directly to someone you will need to put their address in 
the "To:" field.

On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:

> I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to everyone 
> no matter what command I use. Help.
> 
> 
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.
>> I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
>> ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
>> hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
>> running iOS 5.1.
>> Thanks!
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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Jenny,

Which layout for your mail are you using? The short answer to this is that you 
will need to get to your message headers and interact with them. Find the email 
address from which the email originates and copy it. I most often use 
VO-shift-c to copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.

HTH,
Teresa

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On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:

> I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to everyone 
> no matter what command I use. Help.
> 
> 
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.
>> I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
>> ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
>> hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
>> running iOS 5.1.
>> Thanks!
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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Jenny Perdue Keller]

What a pain. It's hard for me to do that. is there any way to copy and paste 
the addresses?



Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:

> If you are replying to someone on the list then that is where your message 
> will go. In order to reply directly to someone you will need to put their 
> address in the "To:" field.
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
> 
>> I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to everyone 
>> no matter what command I use. Help.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all.
>>> I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
>>> ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
>>> hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
>>> running iOS 5.1.
>>> Thanks!
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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Maxwell Ivey]

hello; don't know about snow leopard or lion, but in leopard i can  
reply to the email's sender by finding their email address, clicking  
on it, and then arrowing down to reply to sender in the menu.  good  
luck, max

On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:

What a pain. It's hard for me to do that. is there any way to copy  
and paste the addresses?




Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Scott Howell   
wrote:


If you are replying to someone on the list then that is where your  
message will go. In order to reply directly to someone you will  
need to put their address in the "To:" field.


On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:

I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to  
everyone no matter what command I use. Help.




Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth > wrote:



Hello all.
I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you.  
Please can I ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this  
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impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 running iOS 5.1.

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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Teresa Cochran]

Here's something that makes things a little easier. In Lion, I went into the 
headers and found the email address. Then I brought up the contextual menu with 
VO-shift-m. In that menu is an item: "Reply to sender". This is a bit shorter 
than copying and pasting.

HtH,
Teresa

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On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:

> What a pain. It's hard for me to do that. is there any way to copy and paste 
> the addresses?
> 
> 
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
> 
>> If you are replying to someone on the list then that is where your message 
>> will go. In order to reply directly to someone you will need to put their 
>> address in the "To:" field.
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to everyone 
>>> no matter what command I use. Help.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all.
 I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
 ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
 hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Ray Foret Jr]

Quite correct.  In Lion, you need to interact with the message header group 
then focus on the e-mail of the sender, then, for some reason, VO+left just 
once.  Now, the reply to sender apears in the context menu.


Sincerely,
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> Here's something that makes things a little easier. In Lion, I went into the 
> headers and found the email address. Then I brought up the contextual menu 
> with VO-shift-m. In that menu is an item: "Reply to sender". This is a bit 
> shorter than copying and pasting.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "We are made of star-stuff"--Carl Sagan, Cosmos
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
> 
>> What a pain. It's hard for me to do that. is there any way to copy and paste 
>> the addresses?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are replying to someone on the list then that is where your message 
>>> will go. In order to reply directly to someone you will need to put their 
>>> address in the "To:" field.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
>>> 
 I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to 
 everyone no matter what command I use. Help.
 
 
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 
 On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  
 wrote:
 
> Hello all.
> I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
> ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
> hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
> running iOS 5.1.
> Thanks!
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Possible Script?, Was Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Teresa Cochran]

> I was just thinking: would this be a good task for an apple script? I am just 
> beginning to learn scripting. I'm thinking of at least recording the 
> keystrokes used for this process.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Man is matter's ability to contemplate itself."--Albert Einstein
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> Here's something that makes things a little easier. In Lion, I went into the 
>> headers and found the email address. Then I brought up the contextual menu 
>> with VO-shift-m. In that menu is an item: "Reply to sender". This is a bit 
>> shorter than copying and pasting.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "We are made of star-stuff"--Carl Sagan, Cosmos
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> What a pain. It's hard for me to do that. is there any way to copy and 
>>> paste the addresses?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
>>> 
 If you are replying to someone on the list then that is where your message 
 will go. In order to reply directly to someone you will need to put their 
 address in the "To:" field.
 
 On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
 
> I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to 
> everyone no matter what command I use. Help.
> 
> 
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.
>> I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
>> ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
>> hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
>> running iOS 5.1.
>> Thanks!
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Possible script?, Was Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Teresa Cochran]

I was just thinking: would this be a good task for an apple script? I am just 
beginning to learn scripting. I'm thinking of at least recording the keystrokes 
used for this process.

Teresa

"We are made of star-stuff"--Carl Sagan, Cosmos

On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Here's something that makes things a little easier. In Lion, I went into the 
> headers and found the email address. Then I brought up the contextual menu 
> with VO-shift-m. In that menu is an item: "Reply to sender". This is a bit 
> shorter than copying and pasting.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "We are made of star-stuff"--Carl Sagan, Cosmos
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
> 
>> What a pain. It's hard for me to do that. is there any way to copy and paste 
>> the addresses?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are replying to someone on the list then that is where your message 
>>> will go. In order to reply directly to someone you will need to put their 
>>> address in the "To:" field.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
>>> 
 I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to 
 everyone no matter what command I use. Help.
 
 
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 
 On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  
 wrote:
 
> Hello all.
> I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
> ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
> hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
> running iOS 5.1.
> Thanks!
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cycling through mail windows in full screen

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hello again,

THanks to all the useful tips in mattering the lion mail layout.

I have now one more question for you helpful soles.

As I said earlier, I can only use the ctrl tab etc  in full screen mode. I find 
however that if I have several open messages I cannot cycle throughout he 
windows with command `. Is this true or am I missing something? 
Thanks,

Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

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Re: QT applications

[Mike Arrigo]

I remember trying virtual box in snow leppard, it didn't work at all, the qt 
applications can also give windows screen readers problems. This is why 
developers should use the native controls for their applicatioons and not take 
short cuts like using these nonstandard tool kits.
On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:

> Hi
> QT, not quicktime. QT, the GUI toolkit. Rockbox, for example, has absolutely 
> zero to do with quicktime at all. Perhaps I should have specified that, but I 
> guess I thought the names of apps would have made that clear.
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jacob,
>> 
>> Is it possible that most of these applications ran QuickTime 7?  If Rockbox 
>> was built for the earlier versions, it almost certainly ran QuickTime 7. In 
>> Snow Leopard QuickTime 7 was still distributed on the system DVDs -- it just 
>> wasn't loaded by default.  In Lion you're going to have to separately 
>> download QuickTime 7 if you want older AppleScripts based on it to work.  
>> You'll also have to change those references from QuickTime to QuickTime 7.  
>> I had to do this to update my AppleScripts that speed up podcast listening.
>> 
>> To download QuickTime 7 for Lion, check the Apple KnowledgeBase support page:
>> • Installing QuickTime Player 7 on Mac OS X v10.6 or Later
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3678
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> So, I'm back on Mac (finally) now that Lion has fixed all of the bugs I 
>>> considered show stoppers in Snow Leopard. It's good to be back, however, 
>>> I'm having a rather strange problem that I can't account for. No 
>>> applications based on QT seem to be accessible anymore. These include 
>>> TeamTalk, Rockbox Utility, VirtualBox, and a few others. I didn't use 
>>> TeamTalk back in sl, but I did use Rockbox Utility and VirtualBox 
>>> regularly. In sl, QT applications were quirky but useable. In Lion, 
>>> however, I can't use them at all. Everything renders as unknown, and 
>>> interacting with these unknowns either reveals nothing or reveals more 
>>> blank unknowns inside. The bewildering part about this is that I know a few 
>>> people who do not have this issue with these same programs, so I'm trying 
>>> to trace it. So far, I've had no luck. I've tried in both 32-bit and 64-bit 
>>> modes (I come from a Linux background so I know how 32-bit and 64-bit 
>>> libraries can have trouble interacting with one another) but that doesn't 
>>> make a difference. I'm wondering if I'm missing a library somehow, but if I 
>>> am, it's one that doesn't come with Lion as I've set up Lion in a Fusion 
>>> virtual machine and still have the same problem.
>>> Can anyone shed some light on this? Those who have QT applications working 
>>> with VoiceOver, did you install or configure anything to make it work? If I 
>>> can get this bit working, I can ditch Windows for good.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
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Re: Accessible Excel for the mac or something not as hard to use and confusing as Numbers

[Becky Knaub]

No,
Is this program accessible. I know Open office Word needs a lot of improvement. 
Thanks for the suggestion if this program is accessible I will definitely try 
it.

Becky
On Mar 29, 2012, at 1:56 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi,  Open office calc is not the most stable thing ever, but it's very close 
> to excel in how it works.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
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>  
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> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2012-03-29, at 11:10 AM, Becky Knaub wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> So I am writing because I need to use excel for one of my classes and I just 
>> can't seem to get a good grasp on numbers not to mention  I can't seem to 
>> find the statistical functions I need. So does anyone have any good 
>> suggestions for an Excel like program that is not so confusing and doesn't 
>> have a boat load of accessibility issues? Thanks .
>> 
>> Becky
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Re: Calling All Focus 40 Blue Users

[Moses Choo]

Hi Mark,

Good for you. If you have not done so, do listen to the Freedom Scientific 
Cast episode 60. Jonathan has done quite a good explanation on the device.


Regards,
Moses.



- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 3:01 AM
Subject: Calling All Focus 40 Blue Users



Hello Listers,

I am cross-posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing
lists.

I am delighted to inform you that I am now the proud owner of a
brand-spanking new Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue Braille display.  I 
will

go pick it up from the post office sometime within the next 4 hours.

If memory serves, and many times it does not (smile), I recall reading 
here

that there are some nuances regarding the Focus-40 of which a new user
should be aware.

So, I would greatly appreciate any advice on how I can get my new display 
up

and running so I can, once again, enjoy the privilege of exploring my
iPhone, Mac, and online world via a refreshable Braille display.

Thank you all In Advance,

Mark

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Re: Accessible Excel for the mac or something not as hard to use and confusing as Numbers

[erik burggraaf]

I use calc to handle all my company accounts.  I track receivables, expenses, 
hours worked, billed, collected and remaining.  the open office word processer 
leaves a bit to be desired,  but the spreadsheeting componant is really super.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On 2012-03-29, at 8:12 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:

> No,
> Is this program accessible. I know Open office Word needs a lot of 
> improvement. Thanks for the suggestion if this program is accessible I will 
> definitely try it.
> 
> Becky
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 1:56 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Hi,  Open office calc is not the most stable thing ever, but it's very close 
>> to excel in how it works.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android accessibility, New 
>> drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com
>>  
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2012-03-29, at 11:10 AM, Becky Knaub wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> So I am writing because I need to use excel for one of my classes and I 
>>> just can't seem to get a good grasp on numbers not to mention  I can't seem 
>>> to find the statistical functions I need. So does anyone have any good 
>>> suggestions for an Excel like program that is not so confusing and doesn't 
>>> have a boat load of accessibility issues? Thanks .
>>> 
>>> Becky
>>> 
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Re: App to amplify sound in local vicinity

[Moses Choo]

Hello,

Speech Amp is presently free.  Give it a try.

You have to be on headphones though.

Regards,
Moses.

- Original Message - 
From: "chris hallsworth" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:06 AM
Subject: App to amplify sound in local vicinity



Hello all.
I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
running iOS 5.1.

Thanks!
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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Jenny Perdue Keller]

Thanks. I use the nob classic versio

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, Jenny,
> 
> Which layout for your mail are you using? The short answer to this is that 
> you will need to get to your message headers and interact with them. Find the 
> email address from which the email originates and copy it. I most often use 
> VO-shift-c to copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.
> 
> HTH,
> Teresa
> 
> "On the other hand, there are different fingers."
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
> 
>> I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to everyone 
>> no matter what command I use. Help.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all.
>>> I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
>>> ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
>>> hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
>>> running iOS 5.1.
>>> Thanks!
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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Jenny Perdue Keller]

Thanks.



Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Here's something that makes things a little easier. In Lion, I went into the 
> headers and found the email address. Then I brought up the contextual menu 
> with VO-shift-m. In that menu is an item: "Reply to sender". This is a bit 
> shorter than copying and pasting.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "We are made of star-stuff"--Carl Sagan, Cosmos
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
> 
>> What a pain. It's hard for me to do that. is there any way to copy and paste 
>> the addresses?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are replying to someone on the list then that is where your message 
>>> will go. In order to reply directly to someone you will need to put their 
>>> address in the "To:" field.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
>>> 
 I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to 
 everyone no matter what command I use. Help.
 
 
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 
 On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  
 wrote:
 
> Hello all.
> I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
> ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
> hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
> running iOS 5.1.
> Thanks!
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Re: Calling All Focus 40 Blue Users

[Kristyn Leigh]

What version of the Focus firmware are you running? I use the Focus with my Mac 
Mini running SL and have not experienced any problems with the USB connection.  
I use it through bluetooth with my Macbook Air running Lion.  

Kristyn
On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> The only problem I've had on the Mac specifically is that my display goes to 
> sleep for about ten minutes when I first plug it in via USB and does the same 
> when I restart VO in USB mode. I stumped three levels of Apple help folks 
> with this one, including someone purported to be an engineer, so I'm guessing 
> there's a good possibility of it being a bug. I'd suggest using the Bluetooth 
> and plugging the AC cord in.
> 
> Have fun. This display is really a joy to use. I use it with IBooks and text 
> files all the time.
> 
> HTh,
> Teresa
> 
> "Visualize whirled peas."
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Listers,
>> 
>> I am cross-posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing
>> lists.
>> 
>> I am delighted to inform you that I am now the proud owner of a
>> brand-spanking new Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue Braille display.  I will
>> go pick it up from the post office sometime within the next 4 hours. 
>> 
>> If memory serves, and many times it does not (smile), I recall reading here
>> that there are some nuances regarding the Focus-40 of which a new user
>> should be aware.  
>> 
>> So, I would greatly appreciate any advice on how I can get my new display up
>> and running so I can, once again, enjoy the privilege of exploring my
>> iPhone, Mac, and online world via a refreshable Braille display.  
>> 
>> Thank you all In Advance,
>> 
>> Mark 
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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Karen Lewellen]

What an interesting question.
Does anyone know if there is a version of pine or Alpine for the mac?
we have both at shellworld, and as I was writing this one for example, 
I am given the following option ,

"use reply to address instead off from address?
lets me choose which I want to do.
You mean all mail programs do not allow for this?
Looking seriously innocent,
Karen

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:


Thanks. I use the nob classic versio

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:


Hi, Jenny,

Which layout for your mail are you using? The short answer to this is that you 
will need to get to your message headers and interact with them. Find the email 
address from which the email originates and copy it. I most often use 
VO-shift-c to copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.

HTH,
Teresa

"On the other hand, there are different fingers."

On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:


I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to everyone no 
matter what command I use. Help.



Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  wrote:


Hello all.
I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I ask, 
what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to hearing aid 
problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 running iOS 5.1.
Thanks!
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Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Chris Blouch]

Since OSX is Unix underneath, there is always MacPorts which has a nice 
little installer system to bring all those unix tools you might be 
familiar with to a terminal app near you.


http://www.macports.org/

They currently maintain a library of 13758 ports and both Alpine and 
Pine is in there under mail. So if you really wanted to, you could use 
them on your Mac.


CB

On 3/29/12 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

What an interesting question.
Does anyone know if there is a version of pine or Alpine for the mac?
we have both at shellworld, and as I was writing this one for example, 
I am given the following option ,

"use reply to address instead off from address?
lets me choose which I want to do.
You mean all mail programs do not allow for this?
Looking seriously innocent,
Karen

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:


Thanks. I use the nob classic versio

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Teresa Cochran 
 wrote:



Hi, Jenny,

Which layout for your mail are you using? The short answer to this 
is that you will need to get to your message headers and interact 
with them. Find the email address from which the email originates 
and copy it. I most often use VO-shift-c to copy the last spoken 
phrase to the clipboard.


HTH,
Teresa

"On the other hand, there are different fingers."

On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:

I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to 
everyone no matter what command I use. Help.




Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth 
 wrote:



Hello all.
I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please 
can I ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a 
backup due to hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. 
This is on an iPhone 4 running iOS 5.1.

Thanks!
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Re: QT applications

[Chris Blouch]

Ahh, so you meant this one:

http://qt-project.org/

Rockbox sure sounded like something AV that might make use of QuickTime.

At least with VirtualBox pretty much everything could be done via the 
command line so the inaccessible UI was less of a show stopper. Most 
folks have ponied up the cash for a copy of VMWare Fusion since that has 
a nice accessible UI. Of course then you have to get Jaws or NVDA 
running under windows in the virtual environment.


CB

On 3/29/12 8:00 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I remember trying virtual box in snow leppard, it didn't work at all, the qt 
applications can also give windows screen readers problems. This is why 
developers should use the native controls for their applicatioons and not take 
short cuts like using these nonstandard tool kits.
On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:


Hi
QT, not quicktime. QT, the GUI toolkit. Rockbox, for example, has absolutely 
zero to do with quicktime at all. Perhaps I should have specified that, but I 
guess I thought the names of apps would have made that clear.
On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Esther wrote:


Hi Jacob,

Is it possible that most of these applications ran QuickTime 7?  If Rockbox was 
built for the earlier versions, it almost certainly ran QuickTime 7. In Snow 
Leopard QuickTime 7 was still distributed on the system DVDs -- it just wasn't 
loaded by default.  In Lion you're going to have to separately download 
QuickTime 7 if you want older AppleScripts based on it to work.  You'll also 
have to change those references from QuickTime to QuickTime 7.  I had to do 
this to update my AppleScripts that speed up podcast listening.

To download QuickTime 7 for Lion, check the Apple KnowledgeBase support page:
• Installing QuickTime Player 7 on Mac OS X v10.6 or Later
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3678

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:


Hi all,
So, I'm back on Mac (finally) now that Lion has fixed all of the bugs I 
considered show stoppers in Snow Leopard. It's good to be back, however, I'm 
having a rather strange problem that I can't account for. No applications based 
on QT seem to be accessible anymore. These include TeamTalk, Rockbox Utility, 
VirtualBox, and a few others. I didn't use TeamTalk back in sl, but I did use 
Rockbox Utility and VirtualBox regularly. In sl, QT applications were quirky 
but useable. In Lion, however, I can't use them at all. Everything renders as 
unknown, and interacting with these unknowns either reveals nothing or reveals 
more blank unknowns inside. The bewildering part about this is that I know a 
few people who do not have this issue with these same programs, so I'm trying 
to trace it. So far, I've had no luck. I've tried in both 32-bit and 64-bit 
modes (I come from a Linux background so I know how 32-bit and 64-bit libraries 
can have trouble interacting with one another) but that doesn't make a 
difference. I'm wondering if I'm missing a library somehow, but if I am, it's 
one that doesn't come with Lion as I've set up Lion in a Fusion virtual machine 
and still have the same problem.
Can anyone shed some light on this? Those who have QT applications working with 
VoiceOver, did you install or configure anything to make it work? If I can get 
this bit working, I can ditch Windows for good.

Thanks


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RE: Calling All Focus 40 Blue Users

[Scott Erichsen]

Upgrade the firmware to V4.57. that fixes the problem. Contact me if you
need the instructions.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012 8:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Calling All Focus 40 Blue Users

The only problem I've had on the Mac specifically is that my display goes to
sleep for about ten minutes when I first plug it in via USB and does the
same when I restart VO in USB mode. I stumped three levels of Apple help
folks with this one, including someone purported to be an engineer, so I'm
guessing there's a good possibility of it being a bug. I'd suggest using the
Bluetooth and plugging the AC cord in.

Have fun. This display is really a joy to use. I use it with IBooks and text
files all the time.

HTh,
Teresa

"Visualize whirled peas."

On Mar 29, 2012, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Listers,
> 
> I am cross-posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries 
> mailing lists.
> 
> I am delighted to inform you that I am now the proud owner of a 
> brand-spanking new Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue Braille display.  
> I will go pick it up from the post office sometime within the next 4
hours.
> 
> If memory serves, and many times it does not (smile), I recall reading 
> here that there are some nuances regarding the Focus-40 of which a new 
> user should be aware.
> 
> So, I would greatly appreciate any advice on how I can get my new 
> display up and running so I can, once again, enjoy the privilege of 
> exploring my iPhone, Mac, and online world via a refreshable Braille
display.
> 
> Thank you all In Advance,
> 
> Mark
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RE: Calling All Focus 40 Blue Users

[Kolby]

Hello Scott,
I have a focus 40 blue running firmware version 4.53. How do I go about
updating the firmware to the latest version?
Thank you,
Kolby

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Re: AppleWorks Conversion to something more modern?

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello!
For this purpose, you suggested a page with several scripts or zip files where 
the scripts could be downloaded. I can't download anything from is, and would 
you mind explaining for what other things can we find scripts and where to find 
them? Than you so much!

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El 29/03/2012, a las 22:08, Esther escribió:

> Hi Mike,
> 
> Teresa is correct; you can open the later version, individual cwk files in 
> iWorks -- most likely in Pages from your description.  However, probably an 
> easier way to deal with these files is to batch convert them from AppleWorks 
> format to Pages format using an AppleScript.  
> 
> You can download an AppleScript named "batch_AWxWP2Pages.zip" that will 
> perform this conversion from the MobileMe iDisk of Yvan Koenig at:
> 
> Download: For_iWork:For_Pages:batch_AWxWP2Pages.zip
> 
> To navigate to the download link for this AppleScript, use the URL for Yvan 
> Koenig's public iDisk:
> http://public.me.com/koenigyvan
> 
> Then use item chooser menu (VO-I) to navigate to each successive 
> sub-directory that is separated by the colons.  For example, first use item 
> chooser menu to navigate to "For_iWork", which will be announced as 
> "clickable". Press either "Return" or use VO-Space to select this item as the 
> location you want to navigate to, then use VO-Space to "click" the item. 
> Perform the same steps with item chooser menu to navigate to "For_Pages" 
> within the "For_iWork" directory, and again click on this with VO-Space.  
> After you use item chooser menu a third time to navigate to 
> "batch_AWxWP2Pages.zip" and VO-Space to click on the file selection, use item 
> chooser a final time to find the "Download" clickable element that will 
> actually initiate the download of this AppleScript when you click with 
> VO-Space.
> 
> By the way, this directory is the same location where I found an AppleScript 
> to batch convert Pages output to Word document format in response to Yuma's 
> question last year.  If you think this is something you might use, you can 
> also use item chooser menu to find the "batch_exportPages2DOC.zip" 
> AppleScript, VO-Space, then find the "Download" clickable element again and 
> VO-Space to download that AppleScript, as well, before you leave the site.
> 
> You'll find the file(s) in your Downloads folder.  From Safari, press 
> Command-Option-L to move to your Downloads window.  This shortcut works for 
> me, as long as my Safari tool bar is not hidden, but if you can't view your 
> downloaded files when you press Command-Option-L, toggle Safari into full 
> screen mode with Command-Control-F before trying Command-Option-L again.  
> (Thanks to Søren and others who confirmed this works on their 15 inch MacBook 
> Pro models; it's not clear why some models require this and others do not, 
> but putting Safari into full screen mode should enable all Macs to view 
> downloads window content with Command-Option-L.  You can toggle out of full 
> screen mode with another Command-Control-F.)
> 
> The source code is documented in French and English.  If your files are cwk 
> 6.0 or later, then it should just convert them to Pages format.  However, if 
> they are earlier than version 6.0 cwk files, you'll need a copy of AppleWorks 
> 6 on your machine so that the AppleScript can first convert them to 
> AppleWorks 6.0 format, and then convert them to Pages format.  This probably 
> means that you have to be running Snow Leopard or earlier, so you can run the 
> earlier programs that were designed for the PowerPC Macs in Rosetta mode, as 
> well as having a copy of the AppleWorks 6 program.  If this is the case, you 
> should probably run the downloaded AppleScript for "batch_AWxWP2Pages" from 
> an older Mac.  The older PowerPC models that were loaded with Tiger came with 
> AppleWorks and other OS 7 software, as well.  
> 
> The way that Yvan Koenig's script works, if you select a folder which 
> contains the files you want to batch convert, and then run the AppleScript 
> that you downloaded and opened, by pressing Command-R, converted versions of 
> the files will be created in the same folder.  This was the way the 
> AppleScript to batch convert Pages files to Word document format worked.  You 
> can save the AppleScript in any location, but if you want to be able to 
> access it from your menu bar, save it to the Library/Scripts folder for your 
> account.  While in the AppleScript editor that you opened when accessing the 
> script file, press Command-Comma to bring up your preferences window, then 
> check the box for "Show script menu in menu bar" before closing the window 
> with Command-W.  This will make an "AppleScript" menu visible on your status 
> menu bar.  You can navigate to it with either VO-M-M or Con

Re: Replying to only one person on list with a Mac

[Eric Oyen]

what I would like to do is replace the java that OS X installs with the command 
line version in macports (its newer and can do more).

I am just not sure how.

-eric

On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:32 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Since OSX is Unix underneath, there is always MacPorts which has a nice 
> little installer system to bring all those unix tools you might be familiar 
> with to a terminal app near you.
> 
> http://www.macports.org/
> 
> They currently maintain a library of 13758 ports and both Alpine and Pine is 
> in there under mail. So if you really wanted to, you could use them on your 
> Mac.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 3/29/12 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> What an interesting question.
>> Does anyone know if there is a version of pine or Alpine for the mac?
>> we have both at shellworld, and as I was writing this one for example, I am 
>> given the following option ,
>> "use reply to address instead off from address?
>> lets me choose which I want to do.
>> You mean all mail programs do not allow for this?
>> Looking seriously innocent,
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. I use the nob classic versio
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, Jenny,
 
 Which layout for your mail are you using? The short answer to this is that 
 you will need to get to your message headers and interact with them. Find 
 the email address from which the email originates and copy it. I most 
 often use VO-shift-c to copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.
 
 HTH,
 Teresa
 
 "On the other hand, there are different fingers."
 
 On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Jenny Perdue Keller wrote:
 
> I have tried to reply to only 1 person in a list but it replies to 
> everyone no matter what command I use. Help.
> 
> 
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:06 PM, chris hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.
>> I have heard of apps that can amplify the sound around you. Please can I 
>> ask, what do you all use? Asking as I may need this as a backup due to 
>> hearing aid problems. Yes, I am hearing impaired. This is on an iPhone 4 
>> running iOS 5.1.
>> Thanks!
>> -- 
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Re: Calling All Focus 40 Blue Users

[Teresa Cochran]

Can you please post it here? I am going to take a gander that this is 
definitely on topic, since it relates to using Braille with Lion. It hadn't 
occurred to me to do this. (slapping my forehead several times) LOL

Thanks,
Teresa

I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan.

On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Kolby wrote:

> Hello Scott,
> I have a focus 40 blue running firmware version 4.53. How do I go about
> updating the firmware to the latest version?
> Thank you,
> Kolby
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Re: importing vo-preffereces in osx-lion

[Jürgen Fleger]

The issue is quite annoying. I wished, Apple at first fixed all the issues in 
VO and added then new features. Sometimes I have the feeling, they are 
beginning to do the same mistakes like Freedom Scientific. Including new 
features but ignoring the major bugs like settings import, tables in text 
documents, word processing in general, pitching in voices, header issues in 
Safari and the iTunes Store, etc. etc. etc.

Jürgen
Am 29.03.2012 um 22:23 schrieb Simon Cavendish:

> Please note, that this message had not originated from me and therefore 
> should not have been sent to me either. This is not the first time that this 
> has happened. This is a worrying trend in the way you track messages.
> 
> With best regards
> 
> Simon Cavendish
> On 29 Mar 2012, at 19:45, accessibil...@apple.com wrote:
> 
>> Please include the line below in follow-up emails for this request.
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you 
>> know that the problem you describe was recently reported to Apple, and we 
>> are currently investigating this issue. Unfortunately we cannot comment on 
>> when it may be resolved.
>> 
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Since 10.7, I wasn't able to import all my preferences and specially the 
>> trackpad commander-settings.
>> As developer, it seems not possible also in the current release of 10.8
>> In attachment, you can find a voprefs-file of my adjustments> I have created 
>> specific trackpad commands with the command- and shift-keys.  
>> It should be nice if you could import this settings and see if it works?
>> If you have any commands with the shift and command key, it should be fine 
>> since since this keys doesn't have any assignments by default.
>> 
>> This settings for the trackpad commander are made in 10.6 but, should also 
>> work in 10.7?
>> 
>> Any comments or hints should be great.
>> kind regards,
>> William Windels
>> 
>> 
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