well, if it comes down to doing that, I might have to. its getting ridiculously expensive to do anything here in Arizona. besides, the pay is probably better there as well.
-eric On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:06 PM, Pam Mathers wrote: > Hi Eric. I have been listening to your situasionand I know you don't want to > go by way of windows so I have another suggestion. I have some friends who > live in Texas and they say that the job oppurtunities for computer users are > endless and not only that but you can have a lot of help there in buying > computers and learning them as well. I know that isn't where you live but it > might be something to look in to. They get a lot of help there and schooling > is free if you wanted to do that. > On Mar 28, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> that financing comes with a hitch: one cannot be on a debt management plan >> when applying. that is where I am now. any application that gets approved >> will through the 3 years of work trying to pay off a credit card. >> >> -eric >> >> On Mar 27, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: >> >>> You can get Apple products for 0 interest for 12 months if you apply for >>> their credit card. >>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Pam Mathers wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Eric. I know lot of people who cannot afford Imac but can afford a >>>> windows. A lot of blind people I know have window eyes or jaws. Some of >>>> them get used ones and others can get them by putting so much money down a >>>> month. You might have to go by way of windows for now which I understand >>>> is just as good only different. >>>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Eric, >>>>> >>>>> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite. >>>>> >>>>> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of >>>>> support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities >>>>> commission stating different rulings and then telling me that my project >>>>> does not warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered >>>>> numbers, etc. >>>>> >>>>> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's >>>>> left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved. >>>>> >>>>> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for >>>>> accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my >>>>> years of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting >>>>> guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the >>>>> support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to >>>>> apply for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) >>>>> were rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, >>>>> offerings of £100 to £250 towards a product and then not being able to >>>>> apply to X amount of other charities (connected to the associated charity >>>>> in question) due to ridiculous clauses. >>>>> >>>>> I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is >>>>> through having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear >>>>> from years ago to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's >>>>> been a thing of taking on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I >>>>> still have to rely on. >>>>> >>>>> internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to help >>>>> us out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly >>>>> support blind and disabled users and yet we have to pay an absolute >>>>> premium, as rightly said here, over 85% of blind people in the USA are >>>>> out of work and cannot afford the equipment and services needed, the same >>>>> here in the UK even though disability living allowance and other >>>>> components aren't enough to cover costs of equipment. You're lucky if you >>>>> get into a university to receive grants for equipment you need. In my >>>>> case, through my education, the equipment I had to use failed me all the >>>>> time, the wrong software, wrong hardware and operating systems which by >>>>> their own admission were poorly managed and had huge issues. hence me >>>>> taking on the matters in person and resolving them. a battle I don't want >>>>> to entertain ever again. >>>>> >>>>> It's at this point where we as a nation of blind and visually impaired >>>>> people make a stand and a change for the better. >>>>> >>>>> lew >>>>> >>>>> On 26 Mar 2012, at 10:22, Eric Oyen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes >>>>>> to mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a >>>>>> great many others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of >>>>>> the blind in the US are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any >>>>>> equipment. Hell, I had to make my own Hackintosh and load it with a >>>>>> store purchased copy of snow leopard. It cost me $30 for the OS and >>>>>> about $400 to assemble the machine. at minimum, I would have to spend >>>>>> nearly twice that much for a comparably equipped mac mini and almost >>>>>> $1500 or more for a reasonably powerful macbook pro/air. given that I >>>>>> have to spend my money on medications, rent and food, there is no way I >>>>>> can even save up for one at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> there used to be a "free macs for the blind" charity in Great Britain, >>>>>> but the person running that organization was forced to give it up as >>>>>> there were too many problems involved. We need something like that here >>>>>> in North America, but I just don't see that happening. I tried to query >>>>>> Apple about doing something like this and was given the polite brush off >>>>>> (thats nice kid, here is a soda. now go over in the corner.). hell, they >>>>>> have $115 Billion in CASH laying around they are not using. they could >>>>>> earn themselves a lot of good publicity if they offered some macs to the >>>>>> blind at a vastly discounted rate. it would also give them an in to a >>>>>> market they don't currently have. >>>>>> >>>>>> anyway, time for me to climb down off the soapbox. >>>>>> >>>>>> -eric >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> one thing that I can note that is not seeming to be mentioned is the >>>>>>> fact that there ar certain Apps which are not available on iPhone / >>>>>>> iPod Touch, yet, that are found on the iPad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The iPad from my prespective is purely for consumption, and I use it >>>>>>> for news papers, which 4 of which are not found on the iPhone, and 5 >>>>>>> are on the iPhone, but, only as reduced versions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Neil Barnfather >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Talks List Administrator >>>>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an >>>>>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your >>>>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>>>>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >>>>>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2012, at 08:43, David Hole wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hi folks. >>>>>>>> I just wonder, and many here have asked, so I thought I'd ask you in >>>>>>>> this group. >>>>>>>> What's the benefit for blind people to have an iPad instead of an >>>>>>>> iPhone? >>>>>>>> I mean, as far as I can see, the difference is only the screen size... >>>>>>>> Am I right? >>>>>>>> Actually I'd like to have one myself, but I can't find any good >>>>>>>> reasons to have it, since I have both an iPhone and a Mac. >>>>>>>> Hope someone here can give me reasons to get one :p >>>>>>>> Best regards David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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