Re: IOS 5.1

[Mr. L. Alexander]

IOS 5.1 also enhances stability on the iphone 3GS. with IOS 5, every operation 
required extra processing time and voiceover lag. with IOS 5.1, this is 
virtually eliminated. I have also noticed some voiceover modifications since 
last as you say ric, including the slide to reply instruction, etc, also an 
icon for the camera in the lock screen I had heard about on last night's apple 
keynote address. which was nice :)

Will see how IOS 5.1 behaves and also check if there's updates to XCode.

lew

On 8 Mar 2012, at 07:39, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> I did.
> 
> There isn't much to really say about it so far.  My battery life seems to be 
> a little better on my 4S.  I'm not having the overnight drain of 4 to 7% like 
> I was.  I noticed on the lock screen, it says slide to view or, slide to 
> reply with every notification displayed.  I have to play around with it a 
> little more to really see whats what.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Mike Malarsie  wrote:
> 
>> Anyone update to 5.1 yet? Any details?
>> 
>> Mike Malarsie 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Becky Knaub  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys
>>> Is it normal that these two programs do not speak what you type and seem to 
>>> conflict with VO? I thought they were a bit more accessible than pages. Did 
>>> I misunderstand this? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Becky
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Re: installing lion

[Mr. L. Alexander]

yep.

do you still have the installer? if so, bring up the contextual menu (VO Shift 
M) and go to show package contents. From there you need to find the 
InstallESD.DMG file (can't exactly remember where it's located), now open it so 
it mounts to the desktop, insert a blank DVD and when finder asks you what to 
do, run disk utility from the dialogue box.

from here it's a simple burn the install DMG contents to the DVD.

after this has happened, reboot the mac with the DVD still in and hold down the 
C key. give it a min or two and then Command F5 for voiceover,

the next step for the clean install (I advise before doing anything else 
including these previous steps is a data backup of essential files you want to 
keep to a pen or external drive, etc) when you've agreed to terms, etc, go to 
the tools menu and launch disk utility. go to the hard drive and erase it. YYou 
can either do a quick erase or any of the secure erase functions. (it's at this 
point I advise not having any other external drives connected such as pen 
drives or external hard drives, otherwise you might accidentally select the 
wrong drive.)

erase the drive, when completed, quit disk utility and continue with the 
installation. you can with Voiceover, customise the installation, etc before 
the install starts, this includes apps, languages, etc. If memory serves me 
right, the install starts with downloading some necessary files not included in 
the installer so ensure you have a working internet connection for this.

after this, the install goes on and will finish, as long as voiceover is 
running, you're fine.

good luck and have fun. if you need further help, let us know.

lew

On 8 Mar 2012, at 00:05, joseph wrote:

> hello list
> 
> i upgraded to lion when it was introduced.  now i need to make a clean 
> install.
> 
> can anyone therefore, provide instructions?
> 
> thank you in advance.
> 
> best  
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Re: IOS 5.1

[Ricardo Walker]

Yup.

There is 1 little bug I've noticed.  After unlocking the phone, if you quickly 
press anywhere on the screen, I mean before the last app you were on is 
announced by voiceover, an item in your dock is launched.  Very odd.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Mr. L. Alexander  
wrote:

> IOS 5.1 also enhances stability on the iphone 3GS. with IOS 5, every 
> operation required extra processing time and voiceover lag. with IOS 5.1, 
> this is virtually eliminated. I have also noticed some voiceover 
> modifications since last as you say ric, including the slide to reply 
> instruction, etc, also an icon for the camera in the lock screen I had heard 
> about on last night's apple keynote address. which was nice :)
> 
> Will see how IOS 5.1 behaves and also check if there's updates to XCode.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 8 Mar 2012, at 07:39, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> I did.
>> 
>> There isn't much to really say about it so far.  My battery life seems to be 
>> a little better on my 4S.  I'm not having the overnight drain of 4 to 7% 
>> like I was.  I noticed on the lock screen, it says slide to view or, slide 
>> to reply with every notification displayed.  I have to play around with it a 
>> little more to really see whats what.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Mike Malarsie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone update to 5.1 yet? Any details?
>>> 
>>> Mike Malarsie 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Becky Knaub  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys
 Is it normal that these two programs do not speak what you type and seem 
 to conflict with VO? I thought they were a bit more accessible than pages. 
 Did I misunderstand this? Thanks.
 
 Becky
 
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Re: IOS 5.1

[Scott Howell]

Ricardo,

I have not been able to reproduce this problem of unlocking and quickly 
touching something to make it launch. Very curious for sure.

On Mar 8, 2012, at 5:22 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Yup.
> 
> There is 1 little bug I've noticed.  After unlocking the phone, if you 
> quickly press anywhere on the screen, I mean before the last app you were on 
> is announced by voiceover, an item in your dock is launched.  Very odd.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Mr. L. Alexander  
> wrote:
> 
>> IOS 5.1 also enhances stability on the iphone 3GS. with IOS 5, every 
>> operation required extra processing time and voiceover lag. with IOS 5.1, 
>> this is virtually eliminated. I have also noticed some voiceover 
>> modifications since last as you say ric, including the slide to reply 
>> instruction, etc, also an icon for the camera in the lock screen I had heard 
>> about on last night's apple keynote address. which was nice :)
>> 
>> Will see how IOS 5.1 behaves and also check if there's updates to XCode.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 8 Mar 2012, at 07:39, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> I did.
>>> 
>>> There isn't much to really say about it so far.  My battery life seems to 
>>> be a little better on my 4S.  I'm not having the overnight drain of 4 to 7% 
>>> like I was.  I noticed on the lock screen, it says slide to view or, slide 
>>> to reply with every notification displayed.  I have to play around with it 
>>> a little more to really see whats what.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Mike Malarsie  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Anyone update to 5.1 yet? Any details?
 
 Mike Malarsie 
 
 
 
 On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Becky Knaub  wrote:
 
> Hi guys
> Is it normal that these two programs do not speak what you type and seem 
> to conflict with VO? I thought they were a bit more accessible than 
> pages. Did I misunderstand this? Thanks.
> 
> Becky
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Re: IOS 5.1

[Mr. L. Alexander]

I too have noticed this once but it may be the touch screen being a little 
dusty lol

llew

On 8 Mar 2012, at 10:37, Scott Howell wrote:

> Ricardo,
> 
> I have not been able to reproduce this problem of unlocking and quickly 
> touching something to make it launch. Very curious for sure.
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 5:22 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Yup.
>> 
>> There is 1 little bug I've noticed.  After unlocking the phone, if you 
>> quickly press anywhere on the screen, I mean before the last app you were on 
>> is announced by voiceover, an item in your dock is launched.  Very odd.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Mr. L. Alexander  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> IOS 5.1 also enhances stability on the iphone 3GS. with IOS 5, every 
>>> operation required extra processing time and voiceover lag. with IOS 5.1, 
>>> this is virtually eliminated. I have also noticed some voiceover 
>>> modifications since last as you say ric, including the slide to reply 
>>> instruction, etc, also an icon for the camera in the lock screen I had 
>>> heard about on last night's apple keynote address. which was nice :)
>>> 
>>> Will see how IOS 5.1 behaves and also check if there's updates to XCode.
>>> 
>>> lew
>>> 
>>> On 8 Mar 2012, at 07:39, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 I did.
 
 There isn't much to really say about it so far.  My battery life seems to 
 be a little better on my 4S.  I'm not having the overnight drain of 4 to 
 7% like I was.  I noticed on the lock screen, it says slide to view or, 
 slide to reply with every notification displayed.  I have to play around 
 with it a little more to really see whats what.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Mike Malarsie  
 wrote:
 
> Anyone update to 5.1 yet? Any details?
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Becky Knaub  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys
>> Is it normal that these two programs do not speak what you type and seem 
>> to conflict with VO? I thought they were a bit more accessible than 
>> pages. Did I misunderstand this? Thanks.
>> 
>> Becky
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Re: installing lion

[Hayri Tulumcu]

How do you customise the installation of lion?
- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. L. Alexander" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: installing lion


yep.

do you still have the installer? if so, bring up the contextual menu (VO 
Shift M) and go to show package contents. From there you need to find the 
InstallESD.DMG file (can't exactly remember where it's located), now open it 
so it mounts to the desktop, insert a blank DVD and when finder asks you 
what to do, run disk utility from the dialogue box.


from here it's a simple burn the install DMG contents to the DVD.

after this has happened, reboot the mac with the DVD still in and hold down 
the C key. give it a min or two and then Command F5 for voiceover,


the next step for the clean install (I advise before doing anything else 
including these previous steps is a data backup of essential files you want 
to keep to a pen or external drive, etc) when you've agreed to terms, etc, 
go to the tools menu and launch disk utility. go to the hard drive and erase 
it. YYou can either do a quick erase or any of the secure erase functions. 
(it's at this point I advise not having any other external drives connected 
such as pen drives or external hard drives, otherwise you might accidentally 
select the wrong drive.)


erase the drive, when completed, quit disk utility and continue with the 
installation. you can with Voiceover, customise the installation, etc before 
the install starts, this includes apps, languages, etc. If memory serves me 
right, the install starts with downloading some necessary files not included 
in the installer so ensure you have a working internet connection for this.


after this, the install goes on and will finish, as long as voiceover is 
running, you're fine.


good luck and have fun. if you need further help, let us know.

lew

On 8 Mar 2012, at 00:05, joseph wrote:


hello list

i upgraded to lion when it was introduced.  now i need to make a clean 
install.


can anyone therefore, provide instructions?

thank you in advance.

best

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Re: installing lion

[Mr. L. Alexander]

Oops, from what I remember the installer is straight forward. I know with snow 
leopard you have customizations in the installer. can't fully remember if this 
is so with lion. need to confirm that.

lew

On 8 Mar 2012, at 12:09, Hayri Tulumcu wrote:

> How do you customise the installation of lion?
> - Original Message - From: "Mr. L. Alexander" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:05 AM
> Subject: Re: installing lion
> 
> 
> yep.
> 
> do you still have the installer? if so, bring up the contextual menu (VO 
> Shift M) and go to show package contents. From there you need to find the 
> InstallESD.DMG file (can't exactly remember where it's located), now open it 
> so it mounts to the desktop, insert a blank DVD and when finder asks you what 
> to do, run disk utility from the dialogue box.
> 
> from here it's a simple burn the install DMG contents to the DVD.
> 
> after this has happened, reboot the mac with the DVD still in and hold down 
> the C key. give it a min or two and then Command F5 for voiceover,
> 
> the next step for the clean install (I advise before doing anything else 
> including these previous steps is a data backup of essential files you want 
> to keep to a pen or external drive, etc) when you've agreed to terms, etc, go 
> to the tools menu and launch disk utility. go to the hard drive and erase it. 
> YYou can either do a quick erase or any of the secure erase functions. (it's 
> at this point I advise not having any other external drives connected such as 
> pen drives or external hard drives, otherwise you might accidentally select 
> the wrong drive.)
> 
> erase the drive, when completed, quit disk utility and continue with the 
> installation. you can with Voiceover, customise the installation, etc before 
> the install starts, this includes apps, languages, etc. If memory serves me 
> right, the install starts with downloading some necessary files not included 
> in the installer so ensure you have a working internet connection for this.
> 
> after this, the install goes on and will finish, as long as voiceover is 
> running, you're fine.
> 
> good luck and have fun. if you need further help, let us know.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 8 Mar 2012, at 00:05, joseph wrote:
> 
>> hello list
>> 
>> i upgraded to lion when it was introduced.  now i need to make a clean 
>> install.
>> 
>> can anyone therefore, provide instructions?
>> 
>> thank you in advance.
>> 
>> best
>> 
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Re: installing lion

[Hayri Tulumcu]

and it is not downloading. it copyes the packages from the dvd to the Mac OS 
Install data on your Macintosh HD
- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. L. Alexander" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: installing lion


Oops, from what I remember the installer is straight forward. I know with 
snow leopard you have customizations in the installer. can't fully remember 
if this is so with lion. need to confirm that.


lew

On 8 Mar 2012, at 12:09, Hayri Tulumcu wrote:


How do you customise the installation of lion?
- Original Message - From: "Mr. L. Alexander" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: installing lion


yep.

do you still have the installer? if so, bring up the contextual menu (VO 
Shift M) and go to show package contents. From there you need to find the 
InstallESD.DMG file (can't exactly remember where it's located), now open 
it so it mounts to the desktop, insert a blank DVD and when finder asks 
you what to do, run disk utility from the dialogue box.


from here it's a simple burn the install DMG contents to the DVD.

after this has happened, reboot the mac with the DVD still in and hold 
down the C key. give it a min or two and then Command F5 for voiceover,


the next step for the clean install (I advise before doing anything else 
including these previous steps is a data backup of essential files you 
want to keep to a pen or external drive, etc) when you've agreed to terms, 
etc, go to the tools menu and launch disk utility. go to the hard drive 
and erase it. YYou can either do a quick erase or any of the secure erase 
functions. (it's at this point I advise not having any other external 
drives connected such as pen drives or external hard drives, otherwise you 
might accidentally select the wrong drive.)


erase the drive, when completed, quit disk utility and continue with the 
installation. you can with Voiceover, customise the installation, etc 
before the install starts, this includes apps, languages, etc. If memory 
serves me right, the install starts with downloading some necessary files 
not included in the installer so ensure you have a working internet 
connection for this.


after this, the install goes on and will finish, as long as voiceover is 
running, you're fine.


good luck and have fun. if you need further help, let us know.

lew

On 8 Mar 2012, at 00:05, joseph wrote:


hello list

i upgraded to lion when it was introduced.  now i need to make a clean 
install.


can anyone therefore, provide instructions?

thank you in advance.

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Re: installing lion

[joseph]

how about if i put the InstallESD.DMG file on a pen drive?  how would i do so 
and how to reboot the system then?

best
On 8 Mar 2012, at 09:05, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:

> InstallESD.DMG file

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Re: installing lion

[Mr. L. Alexander]

I believe someone has possibly covered that situation. I have lion on a DVD and 
it does what I need it to do but I'm not running lion on my own workstation for 
stability purposes.

lew

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> how about if i put the InstallESD.DMG file on a pen drive?  how would i do so 
> and how to reboot the system then?
> 
> best
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>> InstallESD.DMG file
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Re: IOS 5.1

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys. 
I really thought I had broken my iPhone last night. My husband was already 
asleep since it was real late at night, so I couldn't ask him if there was 
anything on the screen. He had already updated his iPhone with no problem. 

I did ok until the last thing. It said it was going to restart the phone. Maybe 
it did, I don't know because it didn't restart VoiceOver. Good thing for triple 
click home, or I would have been in trouble. It finally occurred to me to press 
it, although I thought the phone had gone bye bye. 

I haven't yet run into the bug you guys are talking about, but I'll be warned 
about that now. 

Speaking of 5.1, last night I checked out the intro to the new iPad. Did you 
guys know that Apple added dictation like on the iPhone 4S? I had to hear all 
about the new display that my husband will probably adore before they got to 
the part 1@ wanted to hear. I knew that was going to happen, but I'm keeping up 
with the changes to the iPad these days. Since Apple is also lowering the price 
of the iPad 2 like they said yesterday, it wouldn't be worth it to me to have 
one of the new ones, except for that dictation feature.  

Regards, 
Gigi 
 
On Mar 8, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Yup.
> 
> There is 1 little bug I've noticed.  After unlocking the phone, if you 
> quickly press anywhere on the screen, I mean before the last app you were on 
> is announced by voiceover, an item in your dock is launched.  Very odd.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Mr. L. Alexander  
> wrote:
> 
>> IOS 5.1 also enhances stability on the iphone 3GS. with IOS 5, every 
>> operation required extra processing time and voiceover lag. with IOS 5.1, 
>> this is virtually eliminated. I have also noticed some voiceover 
>> modifications since last as you say ric, including the slide to reply 
>> instruction, etc, also an icon for the camera in the lock screen I had heard 
>> about on last night's apple keynote address. which was nice :)
>> 
>> Will see how IOS 5.1 behaves and also check if there's updates to XCode.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 8 Mar 2012, at 07:39, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> I did.
>>> 
>>> There isn't much to really say about it so far.  My battery life seems to 
>>> be a little better on my 4S.  I'm not having the overnight drain of 4 to 7% 
>>> like I was.  I noticed on the lock screen, it says slide to view or, slide 
>>> to reply with every notification displayed.  I have to play around with it 
>>> a little more to really see whats what.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Mike Malarsie  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Anyone update to 5.1 yet? Any details?
 
 Mike Malarsie 
 
 
 
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> Hi guys
> Is it normal that these two programs do not speak what you type and seem 
> to conflict with VO? I thought they were a bit more accessible than 
> pages. Did I misunderstand this? Thanks.
> 
> Becky
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Re: mi fi question:hello all,

[CJ Daniel]

Jenna,

I have the iPhone 4 & an Apple Macbook.  For the life of me, I can't figure 
outt why, if I have the iPhone, would I want the iPad as well?  As far as I 
know, they're run the same IOS &, far the most part, the same applications.  
True, you have a larger display & I guess this would help for people with low 
vision.  But, other than that I can't see enough of advantage to warrant the 
expenditure for those who already have an iPhone.  Just my two cents & I'm sure 
others will have varying opinions.  I'd be interested in hearing them.

Good luck with your decision & have fun in Dallas this summer,

CJ


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> i am  going to be purchasing the latest i-pad  at the beginning of june 
> before i  head off to dallas texas for national federation of the blinds  
> national convention on  june, 3o/ july, 7/12.  i do not want to pay the 45 
> dollars that at&t  charges for teathering. i was told by apple inc that if i 
> purchased an mi fi box for my i-pad  with just wi fi and  not wi fi and 3.g. 
> added to it. that it would be much more  cheeper for me in the long run.  
> furthermore, i wanted to know  if this device is worth my  time and money? 
> also  is it  on the expensive  side? 
> thank  you so much for your time i most greatly appreciate it.
> sincerely, chenelle.
> 
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Re: IOS 5.1

[Matt Dierckens]

Hi,
Does anyone see this bug where if you get a notification, you don't respond to 
it or whatever, it stays unlocked for a few seconds, it will say the time and 
then lock the screen.
Matt
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On 2012-03-08, at 9:31 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys. 
> I really thought I had broken my iPhone last night. My husband was already 
> asleep since it was real late at night, so I couldn't ask him if there was 
> anything on the screen. He had already updated his iPhone with no problem. 
> 
> I did ok until the last thing. It said it was going to restart the phone. 
> Maybe it did, I don't know because it didn't restart VoiceOver. Good thing 
> for triple click home, or I would have been in trouble. It finally occurred 
> to me to press it, although I thought the phone had gone bye bye. 
> 
> I haven't yet run into the bug you guys are talking about, but I'll be warned 
> about that now. 
> 
> Speaking of 5.1, last night I checked out the intro to the new iPad. Did you 
> guys know that Apple added dictation like on the iPhone 4S? I had to hear all 
> about the new display that my husband will probably adore before they got to 
> the part 1@ wanted to hear. I knew that was going to happen, but I'm keeping 
> up with the changes to the iPad these days. Since Apple is also lowering the 
> price of the iPad 2 like they said yesterday, it wouldn't be worth it to me 
> to have one of the new ones, except for that dictation feature.  
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Yup.
>> 
>> There is 1 little bug I've noticed.  After unlocking the phone, if you 
>> quickly press anywhere on the screen, I mean before the last app you were on 
>> is announced by voiceover, an item in your dock is launched.  Very odd.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Mr. L. Alexander  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> IOS 5.1 also enhances stability on the iphone 3GS. with IOS 5, every 
>>> operation required extra processing time and voiceover lag. with IOS 5.1, 
>>> this is virtually eliminated. I have also noticed some voiceover 
>>> modifications since last as you say ric, including the slide to reply 
>>> instruction, etc, also an icon for the camera in the lock screen I had 
>>> heard about on last night's apple keynote address. which was nice :)
>>> 
>>> Will see how IOS 5.1 behaves and also check if there's updates to XCode.
>>> 
>>> lew
>>> 
>>> On 8 Mar 2012, at 07:39, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 I did.
 
 There isn't much to really say about it so far.  My battery life seems to 
 be a little better on my 4S.  I'm not having the overnight drain of 4 to 
 7% like I was.  I noticed on the lock screen, it says slide to view or, 
 slide to reply with every notification displayed.  I have to play around 
 with it a little more to really see whats what.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Mike Malarsie  
 wrote:
 
> Anyone update to 5.1 yet? Any details?
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Becky Knaub  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys
>> Is it normal that these two programs do not speak what you type and seem 
>> to conflict with VO? I thought they were a bit more accessible than 
>> pages. Did I misunderstand this? Thanks.
>> 
>> Becky
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Re: The best Mac alternative to MS Office

[David Griffith]

I do not think you can. As far as I can see Open Office is useless if you  are 
usingLion. 

David Griffith 
On 6 Mar 2012, at 03:49, Becky Knaub wrote:

> For those of you who use Open, How do you get VO to tell you what you are 
> typing. It does it for all of my other apps but not this one. I hope there's 
> a way since I like the setup Open has. Is Libre more accessible?
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Ezzie Bueno wrote:
> 
>> You can get Libre Office through the following URL:
>> http://www.libreoffice.org/download/
>> 
>> 
>> Ezzie Bueno
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>> 
>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks. I appreciate it. I am downloading Open Office now to give it a try.
>>> 
>>> Becky
>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 2:33 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:
>>> 
 You can get open office from www.openoffice.org.  Libri-office can be 
 found by doing a google search for it as I do not have a site for it off 
 hand.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
 
> Where do you get Open or Libre? I looked on the app store and I can't 
> seem to find them.
> 
> Becky
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:05 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I like both open and libri office both of which are free and should 
>> handle ms word files  with no problems.  The only dall back is that vo 
>> doesn't handle tables very well though.  HTH.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Deamon David wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> Since I myself aren't using Office suites that much, I'd like to ask
>>> those of you who uses such much for the best solution for Mac?
>>> Am I right that we have the options between OpenOffice, LibraOffice
>>> and iWork?
>>> There are two criterias here: (1) Accessibility, with VoiceOver and
>>> (2) that it must handle these MS Office based format as good as
>>> possible.
>>> Hope there are some help out here :-)
>>> Best regards David
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Chrome has become unusable

[Eric Brinkman]

Hi listers,

I finally decided to give Chromevox a try.  For the last two days it
worked reasonably well, but today I attempted to go to the next
heading and must have hit the wrong keystroke.  I think I accidentally
disabled Chromevox, and I can't figure out how to re-enable it.  A
google search kept telling me about enabling accessibility with
control-z, which does nothing.  I assume this is only on Chromebooks.
Even more troubling is that Voiceover doesn't seem to work at all with
web pages on Chrome now.  When I attempt to interact with the HTML
content, it seems to act as though it is empty.  I can select the
extensions menu with VO, but cannot read anything.  I would appreciate
any help anyone could offer in resolving this.

Thanks in advance.
Eric

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Re: Libre and Open office

[David Griffith]

I am a Lion user and I have never managed to get any typing echo with multiple 
versions of Open Office.
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Re: mi fi question:hello all,

[Eugenia Firth]

Well, in my case, I do eventually want an iPad. When I do my reports, I'm on 
the iPhone. This means it would be awkward, to say the least, to have Pages 
open at the same time. 

Now that the dictation is going the new iPad I see I have another option to 
getting another braille display. I could dictate my reports and read braille on 
the Mac. I know I'd have to edit them later, but I do that now anyway. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:04 AM, CJ Daniel wrote:

> Jenna,
> 
> I have the iPhone 4 & an Apple Macbook.  For the life of me, I can't figure 
> outt why, if I have the iPhone, would I want the iPad as well?  As far as I 
> know, they're run the same IOS &, far the most part, the same applications.  
> True, you have a larger display & I guess this would help for people with low 
> vision.  But, other than that I can't see enough of advantage to warrant the 
> expenditure for those who already have an iPhone.  Just my two cents & I'm 
> sure others will have varying opinions.  I'd be interested in hearing them.
> 
> Good luck with your decision & have fun in Dallas this summer,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Chenelle Hancock wrote:
> 
>> i am  going to be purchasing the latest i-pad  at the beginning of june 
>> before i  head off to dallas texas for national federation of the blinds  
>> national convention on  june, 3o/ july, 7/12.  i do not want to pay the 45 
>> dollars that at&t  charges for teathering. i was told by apple inc that if i 
>> purchased an mi fi box for my i-pad  with just wi fi and  not wi fi and 3.g. 
>> added to it. that it would be much more  cheeper for me in the long run.  
>> furthermore, i wanted to know  if this device is worth my  time and money? 
>> also  is it  on the expensive  side? 
>> thank  you so much for your time i most greatly appreciate it.
>> sincerely, chenelle.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Possible bug in Lion

[accessibility]

Please include the line below in follow-up emails for this request.

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Hello, 
 Thank you for your email. I believe this is the normal and expected behavior. 

Apple Accessibility

Hi.

To save precious USB connections on my Mac Mini I used a usb hub to connect
both my mouse and my PC style keyboard to my Mini.  Both the mouse and
keyboard work fine in this configuration, the only problem is every time I
restart the  computer  I have to remap the Windows/Alt keys to the
Option/command layout that is more traditional because Lion seems to be
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Need help with skype.

[Vivianna]

Hi All,
I am new to the mac and am trying to figure out how to use Skype.  I am having 
troubles and was wondering if one of you kind folks would be willing to help me 
out.  i am unable to access text messages at all and am not able to get back 
into my contacts list after hanging up from a call.  i have not even tried to 
do any conference calling etc but would need to know how to do that also.  
thanks so much for any help.
Vivianna
Skype; irishana

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Re: Need help with skype.

[Matt Dierckens]

Hi there, if you need any assistance, I'd be happy to. my skype name is at the 
bottom. Call anytime whenever you need help. :)

Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692
msn and aim: matt...@live.com
skype: blindman3221

On 2012-03-08, at 1:06 PM, Vivianna wrote:

> Hi All,
> I am new to the mac and am trying to figure out how to use Skype.  I am 
> having troubles and was wondering if one of you kind folks would be willing 
> to help me out.  i am unable to access text messages at all and am not able 
> to get back into my contacts list after hanging up from a call.  i have not 
> even tried to do any conference calling etc but would need to know how to do 
> that also.  thanks so much for any help.
> Vivianna
> Skype; irishana
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First impressions of iOS 5.1

[chris hallsworth]

I finally got round to installing iOS 5.1 over the air on both my iPhone 
4 and iPod Touch. Wow! How responsive is VoiceOver now on these devices! 
Even Voxer isn't slowing VoiceOver down anymore! But the one app that I 
just can't get to work is Typein Braille. I launch the app, tap to bring 
up the Braille keyboard, and absolutely nothing happens when I tap on 
the screen! I mean, it's no big issue; I'll just await an update. But is 
it me, or can you duplicate this at all? Please tell me I'm not going 
mad! Lol! Only joking of course. Any comments are greatly appreciated. 
Thanks!

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Re: Need help with skype.

[Michael Malarsie]

Ok I have two videos related to Skype for you.

This video goes over the basic Skype layout and how to call people and add 
contacts. It also goes over the quick nav so if your interested in that check 
it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xsnlo-rsPQ

This video goes over the basics of how to use the chat feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE1G8qRKVbc
I hope these help. I don't know much about the conference calls but I will do 
some more research for you. Take care!

Mike Malarsie 
On Mar 8, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Vivianna wrote:

> Hi All,
> I am new to the mac and am trying to figure out how to use Skype.  I am 
> having troubles and was wondering if one of you kind folks would be willing 
> to help me out.  i am unable to access text messages at all and am not able 
> to get back into my contacts list after hanging up from a call.  i have not 
> even tried to do any conference calling etc but would need to know how to do 
> that also.  thanks so much for any help.
> Vivianna
> Skype; irishana
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Re: Chrome has become unusable

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Eric,

My Chrome seems to work fine. I haven't used Chromevox in awhile, so I can't 
speak to that issue. However, in my case, VO seems to read with Chrome just 
fine. I think if I were in your place I would try a reinstall of both the 
browser and the extension.

HTh,
Teresa

"On the other hand, there are different fingers."

On Mar 8, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Eric Brinkman wrote:

> Hi listers,
> 
> I finally decided to give Chromevox a try.  For the last two days it
> worked reasonably well, but today I attempted to go to the next
> heading and must have hit the wrong keystroke.  I think I accidentally
> disabled Chromevox, and I can't figure out how to re-enable it.  A
> google search kept telling me about enabling accessibility with
> control-z, which does nothing.  I assume this is only on Chromebooks.
> Even more troubling is that Voiceover doesn't seem to work at all with
> web pages on Chrome now.  When I attempt to interact with the HTML
> content, it seems to act as though it is empty.  I can select the
> extensions menu with VO, but cannot read anything.  I would appreciate
> any help anyone could offer in resolving this.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Eric
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Re: Need help with skype.

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Michael!
Just a little tip!
After someone has typed there first message and then goes to the html field and 
scrolls to the end message!
If at that point they turn off cursor tracking with [vo+shift+f3 ] then during 
a conversation all they have to do is just start typing and they will be put 
straight into the edit field!
And when they press the return to send it, they will find themselves back in 
the message field and just have to scroll past the message they've just typed 
and wait for the reply!
And once they've scrolled through that reply and need to send a reply again, 
just start typing!
But of course when all done must remember to turn on cursor tracking again with 
the same controls!
Have a play yourself and see what you think!
And just a request!
Could you slow down voice over for some people still might not be used to a 
high speed voice!
All the best!
Colin

On 8 Mar 2012, at 19:29, Michael Malarsie wrote:

> Ok I have two videos related to Skype for you.
> 
> This video goes over the basic Skype layout and how to call people and add 
> contacts. It also goes over the quick nav so if your interested in that check 
> it out.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xsnlo-rsPQ
> 
> This video goes over the basics of how to use the chat feature.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE1G8qRKVbc
> I hope these help. I don't know much about the conference calls but I will do 
> some more research for you. Take care!
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Vivianna wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I am new to the mac and am trying to figure out how to use Skype.  I am 
>> having troubles and was wondering if one of you kind folks would be willing 
>> to help me out.  i am unable to access text messages at all and am not able 
>> to get back into my contacts list after hanging up from a call.  i have not 
>> even tried to do any conference calling etc but would need to know how to do 
>> that also.  thanks so much for any help.
>> Vivianna
>> Skype; irishana
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Re: mi fi question:hello all,

[Scott Howell]

You may not see the benefit for you; however, you have to consider the types of 
applications you would be using. This surely is not the only example, but I for 
one find reading Mail on the iPad to be a much better experience because of the 
real estate. I find reading articles with apps such as Feeddler Pro to be a 
little more pleasant. In this case size does make a difference because of the 
increased real estate.
On the other hand I also have an iPhone and I use it a great deal and there are 
apps I prefer to use based on the smaller size. So, it really depends on what 
your tasks are.

On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:04 AM, CJ Daniel wrote:

> Jenna,
> 
> I have the iPhone 4 & an Apple Macbook.  For the life of me, I can't figure 
> outt why, if I have the iPhone, would I want the iPad as well?  As far as I 
> know, they're run the same IOS &, far the most part, the same applications.  
> True, you have a larger display & I guess this would help for people with low 
> vision.  But, other than that I can't see enough of advantage to warrant the 
> expenditure for those who already have an iPhone.  Just my two cents & I'm 
> sure others will have varying opinions.  I'd be interested in hearing them.
> 
> Good luck with your decision & have fun in Dallas this summer,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Chenelle Hancock wrote:
> 
>> i am  going to be purchasing the latest i-pad  at the beginning of june 
>> before i  head off to dallas texas for national federation of the blinds  
>> national convention on  june, 3o/ july, 7/12.  i do not want to pay the 45 
>> dollars that at&t  charges for teathering. i was told by apple inc that if i 
>> purchased an mi fi box for my i-pad  with just wi fi and  not wi fi and 3.g. 
>> added to it. that it would be much more  cheeper for me in the long run.  
>> furthermore, i wanted to know  if this device is worth my  time and money? 
>> also  is it  on the expensive  side? 
>> thank  you so much for your time i most greatly appreciate it.
>> sincerely, chenelle.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Need help with skype.

[Michael Malarsie]

Awesome idea with the cursor tracking! That never even crossed my mind. I love 
sending videos like this. I always get new things to try. thank you very much.
Again i appreciate the feedback. If there are other things I do that 
make things difficult to understand please let me know. thanks all!

Mike Malarsie 
On Mar 8, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi Michael!
> Just a little tip!
> After someone has typed there first message and then goes to the html field 
> and scrolls to the end message!
> If at that point they turn off cursor tracking with [vo+shift+f3 ] then 
> during a conversation all they have to do is just start typing and they will 
> be put straight into the edit field!
> And when they press the return to send it, they will find themselves back in 
> the message field and just have to scroll past the message they've just typed 
> and wait for the reply!
> And once they've scrolled through that reply and need to send a reply again, 
> just start typing!
> But of course when all done must remember to turn on cursor tracking again 
> with the same controls!
> Have a play yourself and see what you think!
> And just a request!
> Could you slow down voice over for some people still might not be used to a 
> high speed voice!
> All the best!
> Colin
> 
> On 8 Mar 2012, at 19:29, Michael Malarsie wrote:
> 
>> Ok I have two videos related to Skype for you.
>> 
>> This video goes over the basic Skype layout and how to call people and add 
>> contacts. It also goes over the quick nav so if your interested in that 
>> check it out.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xsnlo-rsPQ
>> 
>> This video goes over the basics of how to use the chat feature.
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE1G8qRKVbc
>> I hope these help. I don't know much about the conference calls but I will 
>> do some more research for you. Take care!
>> 
>> Mike Malarsie 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Vivianna wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I am new to the mac and am trying to figure out how to use Skype.  I am 
>>> having troubles and was wondering if one of you kind folks would be willing 
>>> to help me out.  i am unable to access text messages at all and am not able 
>>> to get back into my contacts list after hanging up from a call.  i have not 
>>> even tried to do any conference calling etc but would need to know how to 
>>> do that also.  thanks so much for any help.
>>> Vivianna
>>> Skype; irishana
>>> 
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Re: IOS 5.1

[Scott Howell]

I'm not sure this is a bug. In fact I rather like the fact it will speak the 
time. So, how is this a bug?

On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:

> Hi,
> Does anyone see this bug where if you get a notification, you don't respond 
> to it or whatever, it stays unlocked for a few seconds, it will say the time 
> and then lock the screen.
> Matt
> Sent from my mac
> Twitter: matt692
> msn and aim: matt...@live.com
> skype: blindman3221
> 
> On 2012-03-08, at 9:31 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys. 
>> I really thought I had broken my iPhone last night. My husband was already 
>> asleep since it was real late at night, so I couldn't ask him if there was 
>> anything on the screen. He had already updated his iPhone with no problem. 
>> 
>> I did ok until the last thing. It said it was going to restart the phone. 
>> Maybe it did, I don't know because it didn't restart VoiceOver. Good thing 
>> for triple click home, or I would have been in trouble. It finally occurred 
>> to me to press it, although I thought the phone had gone bye bye. 
>> 
>> I haven't yet run into the bug you guys are talking about, but I'll be 
>> warned about that now. 
>> 
>> Speaking of 5.1, last night I checked out the intro to the new iPad. Did you 
>> guys know that Apple added dictation like on the iPhone 4S? I had to hear 
>> all about the new display that my husband will probably adore before they 
>> got to the part 1@ wanted to hear. I knew that was going to happen, but I'm 
>> keeping up with the changes to the iPad these days. Since Apple is also 
>> lowering the price of the iPad 2 like they said yesterday, it wouldn't be 
>> worth it to me to have one of the new ones, except for that dictation 
>> feature.  
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Yup.
>>> 
>>> There is 1 little bug I've noticed.  After unlocking the phone, if you 
>>> quickly press anywhere on the screen, I mean before the last app you were 
>>> on is announced by voiceover, an item in your dock is launched.  Very odd.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Mr. L. Alexander 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 IOS 5.1 also enhances stability on the iphone 3GS. with IOS 5, every 
 operation required extra processing time and voiceover lag. with IOS 5.1, 
 this is virtually eliminated. I have also noticed some voiceover 
 modifications since last as you say ric, including the slide to reply 
 instruction, etc, also an icon for the camera in the lock screen I had 
 heard about on last night's apple keynote address. which was nice :)
 
 Will see how IOS 5.1 behaves and also check if there's updates to XCode.
 
 lew
 
 On 8 Mar 2012, at 07:39, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
> I did.
> 
> There isn't much to really say about it so far.  My battery life seems to 
> be a little better on my 4S.  I'm not having the overnight drain of 4 to 
> 7% like I was.  I noticed on the lock screen, it says slide to view or, 
> slide to reply with every notification displayed.  I have to play around 
> with it a little more to really see whats what.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Mike Malarsie  
> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone update to 5.1 yet? Any details?
>> 
>> Mike Malarsie 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Becky Knaub  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys
>>> Is it normal that these two programs do not speak what you type and 
>>> seem to conflict with VO? I thought they were a bit more accessible 
>>> than pages. Did I misunderstand this? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Becky
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Re: IOS 5.1

[Mr. L. Alexander]

it's not a bug, it's a new mod for voiceover. call it a slight enhancement.

there are some new features in voiceover including speaking hints, etc you'll 
find these settings in voiceover settings. I'm finding it much better already.

lew

On 8 Mar 2012, at 20:40, Scott Howell wrote:

> I'm not sure this is a bug. In fact I rather like the fact it will speak the 
> time. So, how is this a bug?
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Does anyone see this bug where if you get a notification, you don't respond 
>> to it or whatever, it stays unlocked for a few seconds, it will say the time 
>> and then lock the screen.
>> Matt
>> Sent from my mac
>> Twitter: matt692
>> msn and aim: matt...@live.com
>> skype: blindman3221
>> 
>> On 2012-03-08, at 9:31 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys. 
>>> I really thought I had broken my iPhone last night. My husband was already 
>>> asleep since it was real late at night, so I couldn't ask him if there was 
>>> anything on the screen. He had already updated his iPhone with no problem. 
>>> 
>>> I did ok until the last thing. It said it was going to restart the phone. 
>>> Maybe it did, I don't know because it didn't restart VoiceOver. Good thing 
>>> for triple click home, or I would have been in trouble. It finally occurred 
>>> to me to press it, although I thought the phone had gone bye bye. 
>>> 
>>> I haven't yet run into the bug you guys are talking about, but I'll be 
>>> warned about that now. 
>>> 
>>> Speaking of 5.1, last night I checked out the intro to the new iPad. Did 
>>> you guys know that Apple added dictation like on the iPhone 4S? I had to 
>>> hear all about the new display that my husband will probably adore before 
>>> they got to the part 1@ wanted to hear. I knew that was going to happen, 
>>> but I'm keeping up with the changes to the iPad these days. Since Apple is 
>>> also lowering the price of the iPad 2 like they said yesterday, it wouldn't 
>>> be worth it to me to have one of the new ones, except for that dictation 
>>> feature.  
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 Yup.
 
 There is 1 little bug I've noticed.  After unlocking the phone, if you 
 quickly press anywhere on the screen, I mean before the last app you were 
 on is announced by voiceover, an item in your dock is launched.  Very odd.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Mr. L. Alexander 
  wrote:
 
> IOS 5.1 also enhances stability on the iphone 3GS. with IOS 5, every 
> operation required extra processing time and voiceover lag. with IOS 5.1, 
> this is virtually eliminated. I have also noticed some voiceover 
> modifications since last as you say ric, including the slide to reply 
> instruction, etc, also an icon for the camera in the lock screen I had 
> heard about on last night's apple keynote address. which was nice :)
> 
> Will see how IOS 5.1 behaves and also check if there's updates to XCode.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 8 Mar 2012, at 07:39, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> I did.
>> 
>> There isn't much to really say about it so far.  My battery life seems 
>> to be a little better on my 4S.  I'm not having the overnight drain of 4 
>> to 7% like I was.  I noticed on the lock screen, it says slide to view 
>> or, slide to reply with every notification displayed.  I have to play 
>> around with it a little more to really see whats what.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Mike Malarsie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone update to 5.1 yet? Any details?
>>> 
>>> Mike Malarsie 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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 Is it normal that these two programs do not speak what you type and 
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Ipod Touch Sync Problems

[Dan Rathburn]

Hello,

I have an Ipod Touch 4G 32GB and Itunes for the PC.  Whenever I try to sync, 
Itunes gets to "step 3 of 7" and won't proceed any further.  I have to restart 
the computer to get out of Itunes.  I'm running WE 7.5.3 on a Windows 7 HP 
laptop.

I haven't upgraded to 5.1 or Itunes 10.6 yet.

Thanks for any suggestions,

Dan

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issues selecting more than one item noncontiguously in ITunes

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay.  Here's the deal.  While interacting with the music source list table, I 
was trying to remove some items noncontiguously.  I found, however, that using 
control+up or down would not do it.  It didn't matter whether I had curser 
tracking on or off.  Any ideas how to select noncontiguously without having to 
do a select all?

Thanks.


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Re: issues selecting more than one item noncontiguously in ITunes

[Esther]

Hi Ray,

I haven't updated to iTunes 6 yet, but the following works for me under Lion, 
with no need to turn cursor tracking on or off.  I'm using list view 
(Command-Option-3)
1. Lock your VoiceOver keys with VO-semi-colon
2. Navigate with Up or Down arrow to the next entry you want to select
3. Command-Space to select a track
4. Pressing F6 at any time describes what is selected
5. Press semi-colon to unlock VoiceOver keys when you're done
6. Perform any actions you want with the non-contiguously selected tracks, 
which could include deleting them from the library, or creating a new playlist 
from the selection with Command-Shift-N.

Also, at any time pressing Command-Space with the VoiceOver keys locked acts as 
a toggle to de-select a selected track or to select a track if it is unselected.

I think you needed to use Control+Option+Up or Down arrow if your VoiceOver 
keys were not locked.  These instructions work only for Lion, since earlier 
version of MacOS X require you to turn cursor tracking off with VO-Shift-F3 
before navigating to new tracks and selecting them with VO-Command-Space.  You 
should also turn cursor tracking back on with another VO-Shift-F3 after you've 
finished.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Okay.  Here's the deal.  While interacting with the music source list table, 
> I was trying to remove some items noncontiguously.  I found, however, that 
> using control+up or down would not do it.  It didn't matter whether I had 
> curser tracking on or off.  Any ideas how to select noncontiguously without 
> having to do a select all?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
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Re: Chrome has become unusable

[Eric Brinkman]

I removed the browser, re-downloaded and installed it, and I'm still
having the same problem.  It does seem to have retained its settings
from the prior install, since it is still showing my google account.
This has become unbelievably frustrating.

Eric

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> Hi, Eric,
>
> My Chrome seems to work fine. I haven't used Chromevox in awhile, so I can't
> speak to that issue. However, in my case, VO seems to read with Chrome just
> fine. I think if I were in your place I would try a reinstall of both the
> browser and the extension.
>
> HTh,
> Teresa
>
> "On the other hand, there are different fingers."
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Eric Brinkman wrote:
>
>> Hi listers,
>>
>> I finally decided to give Chromevox a try.  For the last two days it
>> worked reasonably well, but today I attempted to go to the next
>> heading and must have hit the wrong keystroke.  I think I accidentally
>> disabled Chromevox, and I can't figure out how to re-enable it.  A
>> google search kept telling me about enabling accessibility with
>> control-z, which does nothing.  I assume this is only on Chromebooks.
>> Even more troubling is that Voiceover doesn't seem to work at all with
>> web pages on Chrome now.  When I attempt to interact with the HTML
>> content, it seems to act as though it is empty.  I can select the
>> extensions menu with VO, but cannot read anything.  I would appreciate
>> any help anyone could offer in resolving this.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Eric
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Re: Libre and Open office

[CJ Daniel]

Becky,

Same problem here.  Just downloaded & installed Libre.  Checked it out & was 
really impressed with the features & logical layout.  Then, I started 
typing…what a downer!  Hope some one else knows how to make the typing echo 
work or it's back to Pages, which really doesn't seem very intuitive. 

Here's hoping,

CJ


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> Is it normal that these two programs do not speak what you type and seem to 
> conflict with VO? I thought they were a bit more accessible than pages. Did I 
> misunderstand this? Thanks.
> 
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Re: Possible bug in Lion

[John Sanfilippo]

I do not know why I am receiving this as it is not my question.

At the same time, my request that a specific braille keyboard might be included 
as an option in future versions of iOS was never addressed.

Just letting you know.


John Sanfilippo



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Hello, 
Thank you for your email. I believe this is the normal and expected behavior. 

Apple Accessibility

Hi.

To save precious USB connections on my Mac Mini I used a usb hub to connect
both my mouse and my PC style keyboard to my Mini.  Both the mouse and
keyboard work fine in this configuration, the only problem is every time I
restart the  computer  I have to remap the Windows/Alt keys to the
Option/command layout that is more traditional because Lion seems to be
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Re: Anyone know when Infovox Ivox 3 is coming out?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Matt, I got to try her when I installed Fusion on my Mac. But I uninstalled 
Fusion because I don't need it anymore so I hope Infovox Ivox 3 comes out soon.

Shawn

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Google eBooks

[Ezzie Bueno]

Hello list:

Do any of you know whether Google eBooks are accessible with VoiceOver?

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Quickenn 2007

[Scott Howell]

All, I was wondering if anyone had tried the new Quickenn 2007 for Lion and if 
so was it accessible?
I happen across an article and I thought at one time someone had tried Quickenn 
and found it to be somewhat accessible. Of course I may be recalling 
incorrectly.

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Re: Google eBooks

[Greg Aikens]

The one I purchased has been accessible on mac using safari and using the 
google books app on my iPhone.  The mac experience has been more positive than 
the IOS one but they both seem to work fine.

-Greg

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Re: Quickenn 2007

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Scott,
I use it on my mac pro quad core running Snow Leopard.
Here is the version.
Quicken Essentials 2007 for Mac   
Version 1.4.2f5075

Its clunky but usable! ;)
Contact me off list and I'll bring you up to speed if you want.


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In GOD I Trust




I don't know about Lion! :0
Talk soon

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> if so was it accessible?
> I happen across an article and I thought at one time someone had tried 
> Quickenn and found it to be somewhat accessible. Of course I may be recalling 
> incorrectly.
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help please document versions

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi all,

I have a bit of a disaster, i made a lengthy applescript, and mistakenly put in 
different text, loosing the entire script. I have tried looking for versions 
but is this accessible? I don't know how to return to a version prior of this 
file, went to apple documentation but i don't get any indication of how to do 
it.

Has anyone gone through this? And can you explain how it works?

Thanks and best 

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please help via skype with soundstudio

[Egbert]

Hi all,

even with help from the service of sound studio, via mail, i can not run the 
program properly.
Is here someone who can help me via Skype?
I really need to work some audio.
maybe u wanne post this also to other lists where people could do something?
My skypename is;
SYOSS2012
ADD ME IF POSSIBLE.
THX IN ADVANCE.
EGBERT  

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Deleting Icons

[Ezzie Bueno]

Hello list:

Can someone please remind me how to remove icons from the dock?

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Two Itunes I think

[Brian Albriton]

When I open up itunes it says itunes two. There are no applications
showing in this itunes. Makes me think there is another itunes with
all my apps because this one has no apps in it. Someone from mac
support who viewed my mac said I indeed had two itunes or two
libraries or somethin. (Sardonic chuckle). Anyway, if anyone has half
a thought about this, feel free.
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Re: issues selecting more than one item noncontiguously in ITunes

[Mike Malarsie]

Try holding VO plus command and press space bar

Mike Malarsie 



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> Okay.  Here's the deal.  While interacting with the music source list table, 
> I was trying to remove some items noncontiguously.  I found, however, that 
> using control+up or down would not do it.  It didn't matter whether I had 
> curser tracking on or off.  Any ideas how to select noncontiguously without 
> having to do a select all?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
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> 
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Re: Deleting Icons

[Mike Malarsie]

Select the icon, press VO plus shift and hit m. Scroll to remove from dock and 
presto, it's gone 

Mike Malarsie 



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Status Report Question

[Marc Sutton]

Hi Listers,
I read somewhere about a way to get this program to update the feeds list. Can 
someone refresh my memory on this? I installed the ios app and it got all the 
feeds the first time but doesn't seem to update. Thanks.
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ITunes crashes when ever I add to library

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay,  This is really ticking me off.
What happens is this.  In preparation for trying to practice using the ITunes 
DJ play list and  getting used to how it works,

I installed ITunes 10.6 and repaired disk permitions.  I deleted all Items from 
my ITunes Library which I wished not to have there.  Then, I made sure that 
ITunes is set not to add files to the Library location but leave them where 
they are;  on my Mac drive.

Now, when ever I go to add files to the Library Music table, this is what I do.

1.  Press command+o to add to Library.

2.  Select the folder from which I wish to add files.

3.  Select contiguously all files I wish to choose.

4.  Now, I press return to ad files.

At this point, ITunes will seem to add the files; and, I get the triple 
ding sound indicating that files were added; and then, ITunes crashes.  This 
happens time after time.  What ever could I be doing wrong here.  Do I need now 
to completely throw out the entire Library and make a brand new one?  If so, I 
suppose I'd better plan on backing up my Iphone aps to an SD card before I do.  
I can't start to practice Using the ITunes DJ feature without even being able 
to add suff to the blasted library.

Any advice before I go through all this?


Sincerely,
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selecting sheets in numbers is such a pain

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

I wonder how much more random it can get.

Has anyone cornered this one?

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note from previous message on numbers

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

So basically i can't really import sheets from excel it seems, they don't 
appear or do but are just impossible to work around in the sheets viewer.

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Re: First impressions of iOS 5.1

[Kristyn Leigh]

The update for Ty in Braille came out today. 


Kristyn
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2012, at 12:22 PM, chris hallsworth  wrote:

> I finally got round to installing iOS 5.1 over the air on both my iPhone 4 
> and iPod Touch. Wow! How responsive is VoiceOver now on these devices! Even 
> Voxer isn't slowing VoiceOver down anymore! But the one app that I just can't 
> get to work is Typein Braille. I launch the app, tap to bring up the Braille 
> keyboard, and absolutely nothing happens when I tap on the screen! I mean, 
> it's no big issue; I'll just await an update. But is it me, or can you 
> duplicate this at all? Please tell me I'm not going mad! Lol! Only joking of 
> course. Any comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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ITunes crashing all the time now

[Ray Foret Jr]

I sware, Apple has really gone and screwed up ITunes big time.  Now, I cannot 
even navigate up or down in source lists.  I don't know What apple did; but, 
what ever it was, version 10.6 really sucks.  It's not even usable basically 
anymore.  About the only thing I can think to try next is delete the
~/Library/Preferences/ComAppleITunes.plst 
and the 
~/Library/Preferences/ITunes/Help.ppsl files or what ever the heck they are.  
I'm been fooling with this damn thing all night and I've about had it!!!  Sorry 
folks, but, this time, it looks like Apple's just made things a lot worse.

I'm so completely not going to reinstall my entire OS over this!!!


Sincerely,
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Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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Re: ITunes crashing all the time now

[Wes Smith]

I havnt had an

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

I sware, Apple has really gone and screwed up ITunes big time.  Now, I
cannot even navigate up or down in source lists.  I don't know What apple
did; but, what ever it was, version 10.6 really sucks.  It's not even
usable basically anymore.  About the only thing I can think to try next is
delete the
~/Library/Preferences/ComAppleITunes.plst
and the
~/Library/Preferences/ITunes/Help.ppsl files or what ever the heck they
are.  I'm been fooling with this damn thing all night and I've about had
it!!!  Sorry folks, but, this time, it looks like Apple's just made things
a lot worse.

I'm so completely not going to reinstall my entire OS over this!!!


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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IOS 5.1 Braille Problem.

[Georges Zaynoun]

After this update all keys on my BrailleSense OnHand do nothing, no 
navigation no input no cursor routing, please advise.


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Re: ITunes crashing all the time now

[Ray Foret Jr]

I so completely did not understand that response.  Makes no sense to me at all.


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On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:38 AM, Wes Smith wrote:

> I havnt had an
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> I sware, Apple has really gone and screwed up ITunes big time.  Now, I 
>> cannot even navigate up or down in source lists.  I don't know What apple 
>> did; but, what ever it was, version 10.6 really sucks.  It's not even usable 
>> basically anymore.  About the only thing I can think to try next is delete 
>> the
>> ~/Library/Preferences/ComAppleITunes.plst 
>> and the 
>> ~/Library/Preferences/ITunes/Help.ppsl files or what ever the heck they are. 
>>  I'm been fooling with this damn thing all night and I've about had it!!!  
>> Sorry folks, but, this time, it looks like Apple's just made things a lot 
>> worse.
>> 
>> I'm so completely not going to reinstall my entire OS over this!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: ITunes crashing all the time now

[Wes Smith]

Oops...trying to do to many things at once...I said I didn't have any
problems with it at all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

I so completely did not understand that response.  Makes no sense to me at
all.


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The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
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On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:38 AM, Wes Smith wrote:

I havnt had an

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

I sware, Apple has really gone and screwed up ITunes big time.  Now, I
cannot even navigate up or down in source lists.  I don't know What apple
did; but, what ever it was, version 10.6 really sucks.  It's not even
usable basically anymore.  About the only thing I can think to try next is
delete the
~/Library/Preferences/ComAppleITunes.plst
and the
~/Library/Preferences/ITunes/Help.ppsl files or what ever the heck they
are.  I'm been fooling with this damn thing all night and I've about had
it!!!  Sorry folks, but, this time, it looks like Apple's just made things
a lot worse.

I'm so completely not going to reinstall my entire OS over this!!!


  Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 




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