Anyone else hate the way Ebay works with Zoom?

[Louie P. (Pete) Nalda]

When you see an ebay page, and you scroll up to look at the picture, you can't 
just zoom in on that and move around.  Instead you're presented with a little 
virtual magnifying glass, that shows the image off to the side.  That doesn't 
do us much good, unless we zoom out with Zoom in the mac.  I find this very 
annoying, and was wondering if ya'll though it would do any good to contact 
ebay about this?  The old way was so much nicer where you could just see 
different angles in a normal picture.  What do you all think?
 
Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates)
Louie P. "Pete" Nalda
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Re: 2 mail ishues

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi 
Just to add to Teresa's message. If you have a laptop rather than the extended 
keyboard you can perform the home by pressing FN+left arrow, so the whole 
command is VO+shift+FN with either the left or right arrow to jump to the top 
or bottom of the list. 

You can also move a message by bringing up the context menu when focused on the 
message. You can bring up the context menu by pressing VO+Shift+M. The move 
option is fairly low in the list of commands. One nice thing is that below the 
move and copy options in the context is an option to move to the last folder 
you've moved to  again.

Sorry I should have thought of a better way to say that :) but take a look and 
it will make sense. 

Cheers Garth
@BlindTechMusing

On 02/03/2012, at 9:35 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> In the message list, use VO-shift home and end to get to the top and bottom 
> of the list respectively. To move a message, go to the message menu and 
> choose "move to folder."
> 
> HTh,
> teresa
> 
> "Man is matter's ability to contemplate itself."--Albert Einstein
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Egbert wrote:
> 
>> HI,
>> IN my mail there are two things i don't understand.
>> When there are 600 mails, how do i navigate quick to the first or last one?
>> and how can i save an important mail in a folder of my choose?
>> I hope to hear from you,
>> Egbert 
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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I'd like to take issue on this to say that as long as one can make themselves 
understood, then the person is on the right track. You are very wrong to say  
people do not review their messages before sending as I know that people do 
that, I being for one. 

Thank you.

Kawal. 

On 2 Mar 2012, at 03:22 AM, Emrah  wrote:

> Guys,
> 
> For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me misspelled 
> words when I read emails, not just when composing.
> 
> I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite greeting... I 
> don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I think we should 
> dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some emails on the list are 
> really creepy!
> 
> Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not talking 
> about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people that sound 
> like native American / English and do not review their emails before sending. 
> English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent and use the right 
> punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text to speech!
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Scott Howell]

Not to beat the topic to death, but knowing I'm not an English major and not 
great at spelling, I make every effort to send messages that sound as though I 
took the time to prepare them. Of course some of this comes from my 
professional world where we are expected to prepare messages that reflect 
thorough research etc. Even though we may begin to speak our messages etc. we 
should still take time to review them for accuracy and to ensure the message is 
clear. Oddly enough I have seen an increase in professional websites with 
spelling and grammatical errors and I'm not sure why this is. I for one really 
like the fact that I am alerted to the spelling errors I make or those errors 
where I have swapped letters.

On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:55 PM, Louie P. (Pete) Nalda wrote:

> I think part of the problem is these silly smartphones without physical 
> keyboards.  That's what I was using today when I hit the letter y instead of 
> the letter t.  Android doesn't even have the decency to tell you that you've 
> misspelled a word.  On top of that, going back to edit is like looking for a 
> needle in a haystack.  It's why I promptly corrected myself when Ricardo 
> asked me to repeat what I'd written.  I don't know if IOS handles this any 
> better, as my IPad is in the shop, but I'd venture a bet it does.  Another 
> problem is speech to text, which I've heard a lot of visually impaired users 
> saying they like to use.  Even if using Zoom only in Mac OS, you get a nice 
> red line if you type something misspelled.  So, I don't know, on my part, I 
> don't judge too critically when I see typing errors. Your milage may very.
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Can we return to her original request?  I agree.  to speak frankly, not only 
>> is it that some people do not bother to spell check; but also, that they are 
>> thinking way ahead of what they're typing.  As a result, they don't pay 
>> attention to the letters they are pressing on the keyboard.  That makes for 
>> just plain sloppy writing, and, sometimes, you can't even read the message 
>> because the typing itself is inexcusably bad.  Lucky this isn't one of those 
>> English grammar lists where one single space or letter or punctuation mark 
>> out of place and the moderator throws you off the list.  I've never been on 
>> or read from such a list; but, I'm told they do exist.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Wes Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Whoa!
>>> You.  ARe.  SMART
>>> I'm not sure I could do that!!  :)On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Emrah wrote:
>>> 
 I was born in French speaking Switzerland, so French is my mother tongue. 
 My parents are Kurdish and immigrated from Turkey.
 I was taught German at school.
 My job is in English.
 
 The bottom line is that I can manage Turkish, one dialect of Kurdish, 
 French and English. I am not fluent in German.
 
 I am a citizen of the world with my heart anchored in the USA. 
 
 Cheers!
 On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Wes Smith wrote:
 
> What other languages do you know?  What is your first?  Just wondering.  
> Thanks.
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Emrah wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me 
>> misspelled words when I read emails, not just when composing.
>> 
>> I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite 
>> greeting... I don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I 
>> think we should dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some 
>> emails on the list are really creepy!
>> 
>> Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not 
>> talking about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people 
>> that sound like native American / English and do not review their emails 
>> before sending. English is my 4th language and I do try to sound 
>> coherent and use the right punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when 
>> using a text to speech!
>> 
>> Thanks!
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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Scott Howell]

Kawal,

I'm not looking to start a pissing contest here, but can you definitively state 
that you know every person reviews his/her messages prior to sending it? I 
really doubt that. You obviously take time to review your messages and I will 
not argue that point with you because I am not sitting with you when you send 
the message. I think the point is people should keep in mind that the messages 
they send are a reflection of themselves. So, if you want people to think of 
you as intelligent etc. you try to send intelligent sounding messages. Now of 
course we all have off days and messages get a bit garbled at times. :)

On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:21 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> I'd like to take issue on this to say that as long as one can make themselves 
> understood, then the person is on the right track. You are very wrong to say  
> people do not review their messages before sending as I know that people do 
> that, I being for one. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Kawal. 
> 
> On 2 Mar 2012, at 03:22 AM, Emrah  wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me misspelled 
>> words when I read emails, not just when composing.
>> 
>> I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite greeting... I 
>> don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I think we should 
>> dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some emails on the list are 
>> really creepy!
>> 
>> Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not 
>> talking about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people 
>> that sound like native American / English and do not review their emails 
>> before sending. English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent 
>> and use the right punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text to 
>> speech!
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Mr. L. Alexander]

I agree this is being argued to death. OK I admit to some errors in posts, etc 
either through rushing through work, etc or having "Blonde days" and we're ALL 
guilty of it. It does however concern me that when reading a message with 
voiceover, a message with countless errors causes voiceover as you all know to 
miss pronounce a word or words thereby making them misunderstood. Some users 
may be communicating through a desktop or notebook and others through touch 
screen interfaces like the iphone and ipad, therefore it's rather easy to make 
errors through touch screen inaccuracies.

Please do take all these points into consideration but at the same time, 
consider what the target audience is listening to or reading so that it can be 
understood. The english language is often taken for granted, bearing in mind 
that there are many users on this forum who are not english speakers as a first 
language. So from that position, let's treat each other with respect and an 
intellectual stand point. 

on a more amusing note, think of it this way, new words are invented every day, 
some which voiceover can pronounce, others it can't. like the welsh language. 
Voiceover can't even understand it let alone pronounce correctly as voiceover 
does not include a welsh dictionary component nor language set. I myself am not 
welsh but have come across pages where voiceover becomes garbled.

in summary, let us all try at least to make our subjects and replies legible to 
the average reader as well as screen readers.

with many thanks,

the constantly puzzled lew.

On 2 Mar 2012, at 10:49, Scott Howell wrote:

> Not to beat the topic to death, but knowing I'm not an English major and not 
> great at spelling, I make every effort to send messages that sound as though 
> I took the time to prepare them. Of course some of this comes from my 
> professional world where we are expected to prepare messages that reflect 
> thorough research etc. Even though we may begin to speak our messages etc. we 
> should still take time to review them for accuracy and to ensure the message 
> is clear. Oddly enough I have seen an increase in professional websites with 
> spelling and grammatical errors and I'm not sure why this is. I for one 
> really like the fact that I am alerted to the spelling errors I make or those 
> errors where I have swapped letters.
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:55 PM, Louie P. (Pete) Nalda wrote:
> 
>> I think part of the problem is these silly smartphones without physical 
>> keyboards.  That's what I was using today when I hit the letter y instead of 
>> the letter t.  Android doesn't even have the decency to tell you that you've 
>> misspelled a word.  On top of that, going back to edit is like looking for a 
>> needle in a haystack.  It's why I promptly corrected myself when Ricardo 
>> asked me to repeat what I'd written.  I don't know if IOS handles this any 
>> better, as my IPad is in the shop, but I'd venture a bet it does.  Another 
>> problem is speech to text, which I've heard a lot of visually impaired users 
>> saying they like to use.  Even if using Zoom only in Mac OS, you get a nice 
>> red line if you type something misspelled.  So, I don't know, on my part, I 
>> don't judge too critically when I see typing errors. Your milage may very.
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Can we return to her original request?  I agree.  to speak frankly, not 
>>> only is it that some people do not bother to spell check; but also, that 
>>> they are thinking way ahead of what they're typing.  As a result, they 
>>> don't pay attention to the letters they are pressing on the keyboard.  That 
>>> makes for just plain sloppy writing, and, sometimes, you can't even read 
>>> the message because the typing itself is inexcusably bad.  Lucky this isn't 
>>> one of those English grammar lists where one single space or letter or 
>>> punctuation mark out of place and the moderator throws you off the list.  
>>> I've never been on or read from such a list; but, I'm told they do exist.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Wes Smith wrote:
>>> 
 Whoa!
 You.  ARe.  SMART
 I'm not sure I could do that!!  :)On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Emrah wrote:
 
> I was born in French speaking Switzerland, so French is my mother tongue. 
> My parents are Kurdish and immigrated from Turkey.
> I was taught German at school.
> My job is in English.
> 
> The bottom line is that I can manage Turkish, one dialect of Kurdish, 
> French and English. I am not fluent in German.
> 
> I am a citizen of the world with my heart anchored in the USA. 
> 
> Cheers!
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Wes Smith wrote:
> 
>> What other languages do you know? 

Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I guess the important thing is we remember why we are on these lists to get a 
little help from each other and whilst today (I do not know about the US), 
politicians go on and on about how bad it is that people cannot write properly, 
People such as ourselves who rely on verbal communication are hopefully going 
to make extra effort to get their messages across in an intelligent and 
professional manner as for us we have to do more demonstrating to the world if 
we are going to succeed in our lives.  I just don't think we should judge each 
other by our spelling as long as we get the help and advice we need to use our 
tools and gadgets.  I hope I make sense as I always appreciate the help and the 
friends I may have made from the lists I belong to.

Kawal.

On 2 Mar 2012, at 10:53 AM, Scott Howell  wrote:

> Kawal,
> 
> I'm not looking to start a pissing contest here, but can you definitively 
> state that you know every person reviews his/her messages prior to sending 
> it? I really doubt that. You obviously take time to review your messages and 
> I will not argue that point with you because I am not sitting with you when 
> you send the message. I think the point is people should keep in mind that 
> the messages they send are a reflection of themselves. So, if you want people 
> to think of you as intelligent etc. you try to send intelligent sounding 
> messages. Now of course we all have off days and messages get a bit garbled 
> at times. :)
> 
> On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:21 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to take issue on this to say that as long as one can make 
>> themselves understood, then the person is on the right track. You are very 
>> wrong to say  people do not review their messages before sending as I know 
>> that people do that, I being for one. 
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>> 
>> On 2 Mar 2012, at 03:22 AM, Emrah  wrote:
>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me misspelled 
>>> words when I read emails, not just when composing.
>>> 
>>> I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite greeting... 
>>> I don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I think we should 
>>> dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some emails on the list are 
>>> really creepy!
>>> 
>>> Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not 
>>> talking about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people 
>>> that sound like native American / English and do not review their emails 
>>> before sending. English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent 
>>> and use the right punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text 
>>> to speech!
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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selecting noncontiguously in a folder

[Angie Giltinan]

good morning all, I may have asked this in the past, if so, forgive me?
Anyway, how does one select noncontiguous items in a folder,
 my example is this.
I want to copy several items in a folder, but not all items, and the ones I 
want are not adjacent to each other.
Thanks for any help!
I really value all the people on this list, I learn so much!
Thanks again,
Kind Regards
ANgie

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Re: what for twitter and daisybooks on the mac?

[Jenny Keller]

For twitter, I use syrinx. I am still new at it myself so I'm still learning 
it. I hope that helps some.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Egbert  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> a few days back i have asked here what apps you use for twitter and reading a 
> daisy book.
> Uptill now, there was no constructive reaction.
> i have spend some money on apps that did not work wel or were not very 
> accesible.
> So, would yoyou please tell me what you use for twitter and daisy on your mac?
> Thx,
> Egbert 
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Re: selecting noncontiguously in a folder

[Mike Malarsie]

Hold control, option, and command and press space bar 

Mike Malarsie 



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> good morning all, I may have asked this in the past, if so, forgive me?
> Anyway, how does one select noncontiguous items in a folder,
> my example is this.
> I want to copy several items in a folder, but not all items, and the ones I 
> want are not adjacent to each other.
> Thanks for any help!
> I really value all the people on this list, I learn so much!
> Thanks again,
> Kind Regards
> ANgie
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Re: selecting noncontiguously in a folder

[Angie Giltinan]

Thanks, that helps!
Now, is there a way to have VO announce the items that have been selected?
Thanks again!
On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Mike Malarsie wrote:

> Hold control, option, and command and press space bar 
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 2, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Angie Giltinan  wrote:
> 
>> good morning all, I may have asked this in the past, if so, forgive me?
>> Anyway, how does one select noncontiguous items in a folder,
>> my example is this.
>> I want to copy several items in a folder, but not all items, and the ones I 
>> want are not adjacent to each other.
>> Thanks for any help!
>> I really value all the people on this list, I learn so much!
>> Thanks again,
>> Kind Regards
>> ANgie
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Re: what for twitter and daisybooks on the mac?

[Egbert]

Hi Jenny,
thx i ll try that one.
do you read also a daisybook on your mac?
I tried some, but not all the apps support my daisy format smile.
Egbert 
Op 2 mrt. 2012, om 14:35 heeft Jenny Keller het volgende geschreven:

> For twitter, I use syrinx. I am still new at it myself so I'm still learning 
> it. I hope that helps some.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Egbert  wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> a few days back i have asked here what apps you use for twitter and reading 
>> a daisy book.
>> Uptill now, there was no constructive reaction.
>> i have spend some money on apps that did not work wel or were not very 
>> accesible.
>> So, would yoyou please tell me what you use for twitter and daisy on your 
>> mac?
>> Thx,
>> Egbert 
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Re: selecting noncontiguously in a folder

[Mike Malarsie]

Hold control and option and press F6 

Mike Malarsie 



On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Angie Giltinan  wrote:

> Thanks, that helps!
> Now, is there a way to have VO announce the items that have been selected?
> Thanks again!
> On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Mike Malarsie wrote:
> 
>> Hold control, option, and command and press space bar 
>> 
>> Mike Malarsie 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Angie Giltinan  wrote:
>> 
>>> good morning all, I may have asked this in the past, if so, forgive me?
>>> Anyway, how does one select noncontiguous items in a folder,
>>> my example is this.
>>> I want to copy several items in a folder, but not all items, and the ones I 
>>> want are not adjacent to each other.
>>> Thanks for any help!
>>> I really value all the people on this list, I learn so much!
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Kind Regards
>>> ANgie
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RE: Apple TV

[Sarah May]

 

Hi Jason,

 

Welcome to the list.  My name is Sarah.  I'm from St. Paul, Minnesota,
U.S.A.  Wow, you have only been blind for nine years?  You are adapting very
well.  I have been visually impaired since I was born, but had pretty good
useable vision until I lost most of it around the age of twelve/thirteen.  I
still have a little remaining vision left but it isn't very functional.  I
received a Macbook Pro for my birthday last year.  I checked out the I-Phone
last year at my local Apple store.  I have some dexterity issues with my
fingers and didn't find the phone to be real user friendly because of that.
The Apple TV sounds awesome with you being able to access the menus and all
that independently with no sighted assistance.  I am unable to access the
menus on my TV, or access the On Demand features that my cable company
provides, because of how the menus are set up.  Can you tell me more about
Apple TV and how it works?  Is it a software that you can put on any
television/ or flat screen TV that you own?  I know I've seen posts about
the APple TV on the list here, but didn't think anything of it because I
didn't have it.  If you could tell me more about it I'd appreciate it.

 

Jason, I admire, respect, and appreciate those who serve our country.  My
Dad served in the navy for four years during Vietnam.  My boyfriend also
served in the navy for ten years and was discharged when he got out as an E6
Petty Officer.  I always thought if I had vision that I would have followed
in my Dad's footsteps and enlisted in the navy.  My brother thought of
enrolling as a JAG officer after law school but he has some health issues
that prevented him from doing so.  So I was engrained in my family that it
is important to serve your country.

 

Well, I hope you will find the list beneficial.  I have learned a lot myself
from being on the list here and everyone is very helpful and nice.  Have a
great day!

 

Sarah

 

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Hi , first I would like to intraduce myself , My name is jason LeFevers I
live in Baltimore MD USA. I have been blind for about 9 years now, I lost my
sight in a car accident while serving in the Airforce. I have only been
using apple products bor a few years now with the purchase of the iphone
3gs. I am now loving all apple products . The toys I have currently are,
iphone 4s, Macbook pro, apple tv, and airport extreme. I also have my PC
with Jaws 13 that i also use. I have only had the macbook since and apple tv
2nd gen since christmass. I am still learning the voiceover on the mac but
its getting easier to do things . I wanted to comment on the apple tv and
say how much I enjoy it. For the first time since loosing my sight I am able
to know what is on the tv and select what I want to watch with no sighted
help. I use it alot to play tv shows for my kids when I am alone with them
using netflicks, and tv shows that i purchased from Itunes. I also have it
hooked up to a nice stereo and take advantage of the airplay feature to play
music from my itunes and pandora threw my stereo using my Iphone. I would be
happy to answer any specific questions about it . thanks I look forward to
learning more from you all about apple and other accessable toys. jason  

 

PS I hear rumers that the Apple Itv will be released sometime this year I am
really excited to see what this tv will offer.  Feb 25, 2012, at 11:30 PM,
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Re: what for twitter and daisybooks on the mac?

[Wayne Coles]

not having used it i can not comment on it hi for iso there is a app called 
indaisybut  
On 1 Mar 2012, at 21:38, Egbert wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> a few days back i have asked here what apps you use for twitter and reading a 
> daisy book.
> Uptill now, there was no constructive reaction.
> i have spend some money on apps that did not work wel or were not very 
> accesible.
> So, would yoyou please tell me what you use for twitter and daisy on your mac?
> Thx,
> Egbert 
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Re: ITunes, Was if interaction went away

[Teresa Cochran]

I use VO-command-t and -shift-VO-command-t to go to tables and VO-command-h to 
go to headings in the app store. Otherwise, I don't mind interacting.

Teresa

"Visualize whirled peas."

On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote:

> All the interacting in iTunes can be annoying at times. But overall I like 
> the interaction model. Ricardo if you ever find yourself using iTunes on 
> windows try the F6. It jumps you past some of that tabbinghell.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 02/03/2012, at 11:06 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> I've never used Itunes on Windows, but I will say I find it no end 
>> irritating to have to interact with a group just to find out of a checkbox 
>> is checked or not in the books table. Or I have to interact with a group 
>> just to go to the link for an item in the app store or go to a book title in 
>> the app store. That's a lot of clicking just to get access to a link. and 
>> then there are the listen links in itunes album tables. It isn't good enough 
>> just to focus on the link. You have to interact with it to click it. It 
>> didn't use to be that way with the checkboxes. I wish they'd put it back the 
>> way it use to be. 
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Teresa Cochran]

I think reviewing messages is an excellent thing to do. I even do this for 
messages to people I know well. I find a fair amount of letter transposition 
and characters left out, etc. so it's a good thing I do review.

Teresa

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On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:10 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> I guess the important thing is we remember why we are on these lists to get a 
> little help from each other and whilst today (I do not know about the US), 
> politicians go on and on about how bad it is that people cannot write 
> properly, People such as ourselves who rely on verbal communication are 
> hopefully going to make extra effort to get their messages across in an 
> intelligent and professional manner as for us we have to do more 
> demonstrating to the world if we are going to succeed in our lives.  I just 
> don't think we should judge each other by our spelling as long as we get the 
> help and advice we need to use our tools and gadgets.  I hope I make sense as 
> I always appreciate the help and the friends I may have made from the lists I 
> belong to.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 2 Mar 2012, at 10:53 AM, Scott Howell  wrote:
> 
>> Kawal,
>> 
>> I'm not looking to start a pissing contest here, but can you definitively 
>> state that you know every person reviews his/her messages prior to sending 
>> it? I really doubt that. You obviously take time to review your messages and 
>> I will not argue that point with you because I am not sitting with you when 
>> you send the message. I think the point is people should keep in mind that 
>> the messages they send are a reflection of themselves. So, if you want 
>> people to think of you as intelligent etc. you try to send intelligent 
>> sounding messages. Now of course we all have off days and messages get a bit 
>> garbled at times. :)
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:21 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to take issue on this to say that as long as one can make 
>>> themselves understood, then the person is on the right track. You are very 
>>> wrong to say  people do not review their messages before sending as I know 
>>> that people do that, I being for one. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
>>> 
>>> On 2 Mar 2012, at 03:22 AM, Emrah  wrote:
>>> 
 Guys,
 
 For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me misspelled 
 words when I read emails, not just when composing.
 
 I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite greeting... 
 I don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I think we should 
 dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some emails on the list are 
 really creepy!
 
 Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not 
 talking about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people 
 that sound like native American / English and do not review their emails 
 before sending. English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent 
 and use the right punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text 
 to speech!
 
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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Marlaina Lieberg]

Oh boy I agree 100%.  I find it shocking how sloppily some messages appear; 
since most lists I'm on are blindness-related, I have no idea whether we as a 
group are more careless than others in general, but sometimes I think I know 
why we have such a high unemployment rate, smile!  While nobody is perfect, and 
I head that list of imperfect people, I do believe some of us tend to not care 
about the appearance of that which we write; and, this is harmful to all of us 
since all our great words of wisdom live on in the various lanes of the super 
highway called the internet.  Now, before I send this, let me spell check it, 
LOL!
On Mar 2, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

I think reviewing messages is an excellent thing to do. I even do this for 
messages to people I know well. I find a fair amount of letter transposition 
and characters left out, etc. so it's a good thing I do review.

Teresa

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On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:10 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> I guess the important thing is we remember why we are on these lists to get a 
> little help from each other and whilst today (I do not know about the US), 
> politicians go on and on about how bad it is that people cannot write 
> properly, People such as ourselves who rely on verbal communication are 
> hopefully going to make extra effort to get their messages across in an 
> intelligent and professional manner as for us we have to do more 
> demonstrating to the world if we are going to succeed in our lives.  I just 
> don't think we should judge each other by our spelling as long as we get the 
> help and advice we need to use our tools and gadgets.  I hope I make sense as 
> I always appreciate the help and the friends I may have made from the lists I 
> belong to.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 2 Mar 2012, at 10:53 AM, Scott Howell  wrote:
> 
>> Kawal,
>> 
>> I'm not looking to start a pissing contest here, but can you definitively 
>> state that you know every person reviews his/her messages prior to sending 
>> it? I really doubt that. You obviously take time to review your messages and 
>> I will not argue that point with you because I am not sitting with you when 
>> you send the message. I think the point is people should keep in mind that 
>> the messages they send are a reflection of themselves. So, if you want 
>> people to think of you as intelligent etc. you try to send intelligent 
>> sounding messages. Now of course we all have off days and messages get a bit 
>> garbled at times. :)
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:21 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to take issue on this to say that as long as one can make 
>>> themselves understood, then the person is on the right track. You are very 
>>> wrong to say  people do not review their messages before sending as I know 
>>> that people do that, I being for one. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
>>> 
>>> On 2 Mar 2012, at 03:22 AM, Emrah  wrote:
>>> 
 Guys,
 
 For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me misspelled 
 words when I read emails, not just when composing.
 
 I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite greeting... 
 I don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I think we should 
 dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some emails on the list are 
 really creepy!
 
 Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not 
 talking about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people 
 that sound like native American / English and do not review their emails 
 before sending. English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent 
 and use the right punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text 
 to speech!
 
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Re: what for twitter and daisybooks on the mac?

[Jenny Keller]

No. I'm sorry to say that I don't have much of a love of books. I'n more of a 
TV nut. I am still very new to the Mac altogether but I wouldn't go back to 
windows if you paid me. 

Sorry I can't be of more help.



Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Egbert  wrote:

> Hi Jenny,
> thx i ll try that one.
> do you read also a daisybook on your mac?
> I tried some, but not all the apps support my daisy format smile.
> Egbert 
> Op 2 mrt. 2012, om 14:35 heeft Jenny Keller het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> For twitter, I use syrinx. I am still new at it myself so I'm still learning 
>> it. I hope that helps some.
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Egbert  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> a few days back i have asked here what apps you use for twitter and reading 
>>> a daisy book.
>>> Uptill now, there was no constructive reaction.
>>> i have spend some money on apps that did not work wel or were not very 
>>> accesible.
>>> So, would yoyou please tell me what you use for twitter and daisy on your 
>>> mac?
>>> Thx,
>>> Egbert 
>>> 
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Re: what for twitter and daisybooks on the mac?

[Egbert]

aha tv, do you have the apple tv also?
Here it is a great joy.
i ll try your twitter app.
If you wanne folow me there:
@ewoudd

Op 2 mrt. 2012, om 19:06 heeft Jenny Keller het volgende geschreven:

> No. I'm sorry to say that I don't have much of a love of books. I'n more of a 
> TV nut. I am still very new to the Mac altogether but I wouldn't go back to 
> windows if you paid me. 
> 
> Sorry I can't be of more help.
> 
> 
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> 
> On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Egbert  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jenny,
>> thx i ll try that one.
>> do you read also a daisybook on your mac?
>> I tried some, but not all the apps support my daisy format smile.
>> Egbert 
>> Op 2 mrt. 2012, om 14:35 heeft Jenny Keller het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> For twitter, I use syrinx. I am still new at it myself so I'm still 
>>> learning it. I hope that helps some.
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Egbert  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi All,
 
 a few days back i have asked here what apps you use for twitter and 
 reading a daisy book.
 Uptill now, there was no constructive reaction.
 i have spend some money on apps that did not work wel or were not very 
 accesible.
 So, would yoyou please tell me what you use for twitter and daisy on your 
 mac?
 Thx,
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Re: what for twitter and daisybooks on the mac?

[Jenny Keller]

I don't have access to my Mac just now as I have just moved and it is not here 
yet. I'll add you when it gets here. I' using my I phone right now.



Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Egbert  wrote:

> aha tv, do you have the apple tv also?
> Here it is a great joy.
> i ll try your twitter app.
> If you wanne folow me there:
> @ewoudd
> 
> Op 2 mrt. 2012, om 19:06 heeft Jenny Keller het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> No. I'm sorry to say that I don't have much of a love of books. I'n more of 
>> a TV nut. I am still very new to the Mac altogether but I wouldn't go back 
>> to windows if you paid me. 
>> 
>> Sorry I can't be of more help.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Egbert  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Jenny,
>>> thx i ll try that one.
>>> do you read also a daisybook on your mac?
>>> I tried some, but not all the apps support my daisy format smile.
>>> Egbert 
>>> Op 2 mrt. 2012, om 14:35 heeft Jenny Keller het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
 For twitter, I use syrinx. I am still new at it myself so I'm still 
 learning it. I hope that helps some.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 
 On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Egbert  wrote:
 
> Hi All,
> 
> a few days back i have asked here what apps you use for twitter and 
> reading a daisy book.
> Uptill now, there was no constructive reaction.
> i have spend some money on apps that did not work wel or were not very 
> accesible.
> So, would yoyou please tell me what you use for twitter and daisy on your 
> mac?
> Thx,
> Egbert 
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Re: Mac + Chrome + Netflix = html5?

[Traci]

Ok, great!

If I decided to give Chrome a whirl, to test out Netflix, is it an easy 
experiment?  Meaning, once I download and install, do I go to system 
preferences to choose how I surf the web?  If I don't like Chrome, is it easy 
to switch back to Safari?

Lol, I'll have to look up some podcasts to learn more.

If this makes Netflix more VO Friendly, it could be cool.

Traci
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On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Chrome works just fine on the Mac now.  You can just use it with voiceover.  
> The screen reader plugin isn't necessary.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:32 PM, Michael Malarsie  
> wrote:
> 
>> I don't know anything about Chrome on the Mac. I downloaded in on my PC afew 
>> months ago and it was completely inaccessible. I did some reserch and found 
>> out that before it will work with JAWS there is some third party software 
>> that must be downloaded first. 
>>  Other than that i don't know anything about it..
>> 
>> Mike Malarsie 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Traci wrote:
>> 
>>> Any users out there of Netflix and Chrome?
>>> 
>>> I've been googling to see alternatives to streaming Netflix and came across 
>>> many articles talking about Netflix and html5 for Chrome and Linex.
>>> 
>>> I was wondering if the Chrome experience was better with VO?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
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Re: Mac + Chrome + Netflix = html5?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, traci,

As far as I'm aware, Netflix uses the Microsoft Silverlite player, which is not 
particularly accessible with VO. You can go to a page and play files, but the 
controls for playback are hidden from VO. If you've heard differently, let me 
know. The upshot is that if Silverlite is the only way to access video 
playback, it doesn't matter what browser you use. Each browser will need a 
Silverlite plugin in order to play the videos.

If you want to try Google Chrome, it is easy to get going once you download. 
The only major problem with VO is that frames on web pages aren't read well at 
all.

HTH,
Teresa

"Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman

On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Traci wrote:

> Ok, great!
> 
> If I decided to give Chrome a whirl, to test out Netflix, is it an easy 
> experiment?  Meaning, once I download and install, do I go to system 
> preferences to choose how I surf the web?  If I don't like Chrome, is it easy 
> to switch back to Safari?
> 
> Lol, I'll have to look up some podcasts to learn more.
> 
> If this makes Netflix more VO Friendly, it could be cool.
> 
> Traci
> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Chrome works just fine on the Mac now.  You can just use it with voiceover.  
>> The screen reader plugin isn't necessary.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:32 PM, Michael Malarsie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know anything about Chrome on the Mac. I downloaded in on my PC 
>>> afew months ago and it was completely inaccessible. I did some reserch and 
>>> found out that before it will work with JAWS there is some third party 
>>> software that must be downloaded first. 
>>> Other than that i don't know anything about it..
>>> 
>>> Mike Malarsie 
>>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Traci wrote:
>>> 
 Any users out there of Netflix and Chrome?
 
 I've been googling to see alternatives to streaming Netflix and came 
 across many articles talking about Netflix and html5 for Chrome and Linex.
 
 I was wondering if the Chrome experience was better with VO?
 
 Thanks,
 Traci
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strange problem

[Egbert]

hi,
in my musicliest are some flac files.
When i open them they will be played in sound studio, or amadeus pro.
Problem is, that they won't go away after been used.
ofcourse i don't save the changes but that does not matter.
Is there a trick to get rid of them?
they are heavy in the way smile.
Egbert 

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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Jessica]

I looked under my mail settings but couldn't find that option.  Unfortunately, 
the only one I could find even remotely close to that, was the preview option, 
which gave me "every 50, 100, 200 500 or 1000," messages I think it was, but 
nothing about changing how many were downloaded, unless I had push enabled, 
which I don't, sense I don't know what it is, and hear it eats up your battery 
life.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Caron 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:20 PM
  Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.


  Hi Jessica,


  this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never touched 
the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully others 
can provide you more detailed help.


  First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the iPhone 
there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead.  Use that as 
you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone else will need to 
chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that is if you want it to. 
 some people prefer the Archive button.


  In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages.  I 
have mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you the 
behavior you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the settings but 
if you look under settings then mail, you should find it.


  Hope this info helps a little.


  eric Caron 


  On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:


I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed to 
be going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I wasn't 
sure if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages, sense I don't 
see a button to delete them, so I just told it to move them to my trash folder. 
 Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them faster than I could move them, 
and I can't find an option to make this stop, which is eating away at my 
battery and cluttering up my phone, and I don't want my mail to automaticly 
download anyway, sense my e-mail isn't my whole life lol.
  So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a 
good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then come 
check out Tmi wireless!
We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of items 
including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're payed 
a comission from every sale you make!
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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

you can't disable mail from downloading messages upon launch of the app.  It 
just assumes, if your opening mail, you want to read mail.  So, it retreives 
mail from the server without no further prompting.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:20 PM, "Jessica"  wrote:

> I looked under my mail settings but couldn't find that option.  
> Unfortunately, the only one I could find even remotely close to that, was the 
> preview option, which gave me "every 50, 100, 200 500 or 1000," messages I 
> think it was, but nothing about changing how many were downloaded, unless I 
> had push enabled, which I don't, sense I don't know what it is, and hear it 
> eats up your battery life.
> - Original Message -
> From: Eric Caron
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.
> 
> Hi Jessica,
> 
> this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never touched 
> the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully others 
> can provide you more detailed help.
> 
> First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the iPhone 
> there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead.  Use that as 
> you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone else will need to 
> chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that is if you want it 
> to.  some people prefer the Archive button.
> 
> In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages.  I 
> have mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you the 
> behavior you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the settings 
> but if you look under settings then mail, you should find it.
> 
> Hope this info helps a little.
> 
> eric Caron 
> 
> On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:
> 
>> I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed to be 
>> going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I wasn't 
>> sure if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages, sense I don't 
>> see a button to delete them, so I just told it to move them to my trash 
>> folder.  Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them faster than I could 
>> move them, and I can't find an option to make this stop, which is eating 
>> away at my battery and cluttering up my phone, and I don't want my mail to 
>> automaticly download anyway, sense my e-mail isn't my whole life lol.
>>   So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
>> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a good 
>> income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then come 
>> check out Tmi wireless!
>> We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of items 
>> including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're 
>> payed a comission from every sale you make!
>> Check out 
>>  
>> and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
>> to learn more, visit:
>> 
>>  
>>  
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Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Sean Murphy]

I am in the same camp as Scott. I am not sure if the Braille input will work 
effectively. The design of the screen will have to be universally flexible for 
all hand  sizes. On top of that you will not get the physical feedback that you 
get on other Braille Input devices.

I am always willing to try. But good luck in getting Apple to put it in. They 
are a very much a close shop.

Sean 
On 28/02/2012, at 9:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Would this app be able to write in grade 2 braille?  I am a braille user as 
> stating in another message, I use a braille display.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 27 Feb 2012, at 17:23, James Mannion wrote:
> 
>> Although there is no harm in wanting something to be completely
>> optional and available for someone to use, I am definitely not sold on
>> it until it is out and proven that it really is at all something I
>> like using. I don't think it makes a lot of sense either to be making
>> a push for something to be incorporated into the system that none of
>> us have really even had the chance to try because it is not available
>> yet. One could just as easily prefer the TypeIn Braille input app as
>> an optional keyboard. I have been playing with the TypeInBraille app
>> actually and I see some possible advantage in having it as a tool. I
>> agree with what I think someone said about that app that in noisy
>> environments where you might want to do character input and you need
>> to use the touch screen without being able to hear as much, it allows
>> for what is arguably more predictable places to touch the screen
>> without error to get what you need. I am going to continue to play
>> with and make use of that at times to see how fast I am able to get
>> with it. I really do not mind the on screen keyboard as long as I can
>> hear the feedback from it and as long as it is not an instance where
>> there is lag in its feedback. Where more speed is needed I have always
>> been happy with bluetooth keyboard or dictation options. More options
>> are always good.
>> 
>> On 2/27/12, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>> Wanted answer the assertion of Android being more flexible. While anyone
>>> could add a different keyboard to Android, I'm not clear how that would
>>> get universally baked in so that anyone pickup an Android phone would
>>> get this option. It's the same problem that if you want it baked into
>>> Android you would have to get Google to do it. Of course you could argue
>>> whether Apple or Google is more receptive to making this addition but
>>> it's still something that has to be done by the platform owner. I think
>>> what we don't want is some kind of extra thing you have to know about,
>>> download and install.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 2/26/12 5:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 Here is one reason among many why android is much more flexible, adding
 this functionality will not have any restrictions. Yes, Apple does not
 allow adding other keyboards, or input methods as they might be called.
 The thing is, if Apple allows this one, other developers will want to do
 the same thing. That may not be a bad thing, alternative keyboards may be
 a good thing, but I would not count on Apple changing their policy on this
 one. Also their thought could be, the built in on screen keyboard is
 already accessible, why not use that? That is a valid point, guess time
 will tell on this one.
 On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 
> Hello all,
> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
> all at once, not a row at a time.
> 
> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
> impaired users of iOS) want and need this functionality in iOS. Please
> take a couple minutes to send a message to accessibil...@apple.com.
> Tell them you want them to include Braille Touch's keyboard in iOS so
> that it can be used where ever you need to enter text, in place of the
> on-screen QWERTY keyboard that iOS currently forces you to

Re: Braille Touch: please help get Apple onboard

[Holly Anderson]

My other concern with this would be that not all places where you use a 
keyboard are capable of being used in landscape orientation.  I don't know if 
apple would implement a keyboard that could only be used in landscape. 
On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:

> I am in the same camp as Scott. I am not sure if the Braille input will work 
> effectively. The design of the screen will have to be universally flexible 
> for all hand  sizes. On top of that you will not get the physical feedback 
> that you get on other Braille Input devices.
> 
> I am always willing to try. But good luck in getting Apple to put it in. They 
> are a very much a close shop.
> 
> Sean 
> On 28/02/2012, at 9:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Would this app be able to write in grade 2 braille?  I am a braille user as 
>> stating in another message, I use a braille display.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 27 Feb 2012, at 17:23, James Mannion wrote:
>> 
>>> Although there is no harm in wanting something to be completely
>>> optional and available for someone to use, I am definitely not sold on
>>> it until it is out and proven that it really is at all something I
>>> like using. I don't think it makes a lot of sense either to be making
>>> a push for something to be incorporated into the system that none of
>>> us have really even had the chance to try because it is not available
>>> yet. One could just as easily prefer the TypeIn Braille input app as
>>> an optional keyboard. I have been playing with the TypeInBraille app
>>> actually and I see some possible advantage in having it as a tool. I
>>> agree with what I think someone said about that app that in noisy
>>> environments where you might want to do character input and you need
>>> to use the touch screen without being able to hear as much, it allows
>>> for what is arguably more predictable places to touch the screen
>>> without error to get what you need. I am going to continue to play
>>> with and make use of that at times to see how fast I am able to get
>>> with it. I really do not mind the on screen keyboard as long as I can
>>> hear the feedback from it and as long as it is not an instance where
>>> there is lag in its feedback. Where more speed is needed I have always
>>> been happy with bluetooth keyboard or dictation options. More options
>>> are always good.
>>> 
>>> On 2/27/12, Chris Blouch  wrote:
 Wanted answer the assertion of Android being more flexible. While anyone
 could add a different keyboard to Android, I'm not clear how that would
 get universally baked in so that anyone pickup an Android phone would
 get this option. It's the same problem that if you want it baked into
 Android you would have to get Google to do it. Of course you could argue
 whether Apple or Google is more receptive to making this addition but
 it's still something that has to be done by the platform owner. I think
 what we don't want is some kind of extra thing you have to know about,
 download and install.
 
 CB
 
 On 2/26/12 5:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> Here is one reason among many why android is much more flexible, adding
> this functionality will not have any restrictions. Yes, Apple does not
> allow adding other keyboards, or input methods as they might be called.
> The thing is, if Apple allows this one, other developers will want to do
> the same thing. That may not be a bad thing, alternative keyboards may be
> a good thing, but I would not count on Apple changing their policy on this
> one. Also their thought could be, the built in on screen keyboard is
> already accessible, why not use that? That is a valid point, guess time
> will tell on this one.
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> There has been much discussion about the new Braille Touch app lately.
>> For anyone who missed it, this is an app coming out sometime this year
>> that lets users type in braille on an iOS or Android device.
>> Basically, you hold the device sideways, the home button to your right
>> or left. You then place three fingers on either end of the screen and
>> start typing. This beats the current braille entry app out there
>> because (1) it will be free and (2) it lets you enter the character
>> all at once, not a row at a time.
>> 
>> Here is where it needs your help: Apple's developer guidelines and
>> terms of service state that, basically, no app can add its own
>> keyboard to the keyboards available in iOS. this means that there is
>> no way to use the braille keyboard outside the app; no writing texts
>> or emails with it, no using it to do a search, no nothing. Yes, you
>> can use the app and then copy and paste, but if you just want to write
>> a quick email, add a contact, or even edit a document, you can't take
>> advantage of braille. Apple needs to know that we (blind and visually
>>>

Re: Mac + Chrome + Netflix = html5?

[Teresa Cochran]

Minor correction in case folks are looking for the plugins: it's Silverlight 
with a g-h and not i-t-e., as I had spelled it earlier. Also, I just tried 
Silverlight with Google Chrome, and the controls are not accessible with VO. 
It's possible to play Netflix videos, as it is in Safari, bt not possible to 
use the play and pause controls, etc.

Teresa

"The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham

On Mar 2, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Hi, traci,
> 
> As far as I'm aware, Netflix uses the Microsoft Silverlite player, which is 
> not particularly accessible with VO. You can go to a page and play files, but 
> the controls for playback are hidden from VO. If you've heard differently, 
> let me know. The upshot is that if Silverlite is the only way to access video 
> playback, it doesn't matter what browser you use. Each browser will need a 
> Silverlite plugin in order to play the videos.
> 
> If you want to try Google Chrome, it is easy to get going once you download. 
> The only major problem with VO is that frames on web pages aren't read well 
> at all.
> 
> HTH,
> Teresa
>   
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Traci wrote:
> 
>> Ok, great!
>> 
>> If I decided to give Chrome a whirl, to test out Netflix, is it an easy 
>> experiment?  Meaning, once I download and install, do I go to system 
>> preferences to choose how I surf the web?  If I don't like Chrome, is it 
>> easy to switch back to Safari?
>> 
>> Lol, I'll have to look up some podcasts to learn more.
>> 
>> If this makes Netflix more VO Friendly, it could be cool.
>> 
>> Traci
>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Chrome works just fine on the Mac now.  You can just use it with voiceover. 
>>>  The screen reader plugin isn't necessary.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:32 PM, Michael Malarsie  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I don't know anything about Chrome on the Mac. I downloaded in on my PC 
 afew months ago and it was completely inaccessible. I did some reserch and 
 found out that before it will work with JAWS there is some third party 
 software that must be downloaded first. 
Other than that i don't know anything about it..
 
 Mike Malarsie 
 On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Traci wrote:
 
> Any users out there of Netflix and Chrome?
> 
> I've been googling to see alternatives to streaming Netflix and came 
> across many articles talking about Netflix and html5 for Chrome and Linex.
> 
> I was wondering if the Chrome experience was better with VO?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
> 
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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Alex Hall]

Push basically gets messages all the time. Turning it off should give
you a "check for mail every" option which you double tap. Once you do,
you can select how often you want mail to check for messages.

On 3/2/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> you can't disable mail from downloading messages upon launch of the app.  It
> just assumes, if your opening mail, you want to read mail.  So, it retreives
> mail from the server without no further prompting.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:20 PM, "Jessica"  wrote:
>
>> I looked under my mail settings but couldn't find that option.
>> Unfortunately, the only one I could find even remotely close to that, was
>> the preview option, which gave me "every 50, 100, 200 500 or 1000,"
>> messages I think it was, but nothing about changing how many were
>> downloaded, unless I had push enabled, which I don't, sense I don't know
>> what it is, and hear it eats up your battery life.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Eric Caron
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.
>>
>> Hi Jessica,
>>
>> this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never touched
>> the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully
>> others can provide you more detailed help.
>>
>> First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the
>> iPhone there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead.
>> Use that as you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone else
>> will need to chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that is
>> if you want it to.  some people prefer the Archive button.
>>
>> In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages.  I
>> have mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you
>> the behavior you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the
>> settings but if you look under settings then mail, you should find it.
>>
>> Hope this info helps a little.
>>
>> eric Caron
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:
>>
>>> I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed to
>>> be going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I
>>> wasn't sure if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages,
>>> sense I don't see a button to delete them, so I just told it to move them
>>> to my trash folder.  Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them
>>> faster than I could move them, and I can't find an option to make this
>>> stop, which is eating away at my battery and cluttering up my phone, and
>>> I don't want my mail to automaticly download anyway, sense my e-mail
>>> isn't my whole life lol.
>>>   So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
>>> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a
>>> good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case
>>> then come check out Tmi wireless!
>>> We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of
>>> items including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and
>>> you're payed a comission from every sale you make!
>>> Check out
>>> 
>>> and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
>>> to learn more, visit:
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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Writing in HTML tutorials

[Matt Dierckens]

Hi all,
I was just wondering if anyone knew where I could find a good accessible 
tutorial on how to write HTML. Thank you.

Matt
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time machine

[Sean Murphy]

How do you find out the status of Time machine.Hi all and what it is currently 
backing up.

>From the status menu you can see the time machine showing it is prepping for a 
>backup. But there is no time, file/directory being updated, etc?

Also, how do you verify what information is being backed up?

I have gone into time machine and cannot work out the GUI. It looks like a 
normal Finder window. The preferences are fine.

Any tips are welcomed.


Sean 

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IDE for programming

[Sean Murphy]

Hi All.

What is a good IDE for programming under Mac for:

ruby
Perl
C
C++
Coco


Web editing is another area of interest as well. Something that use's templates 
to complete the HTML tags.


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Re: Writing in HTML tutorials

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

Have you looked at Safari on the Oreilly.com site? If you join this site you 
can access a lot of different computer books.

An actual accessible book on HTML I don't know of and would be interested for 
myself.


Sean 
On 03/03/2012, at 9:15 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:

> Hi all,
> I was just wondering if anyone knew where I could find a good accessible 
> tutorial on how to write HTML. Thank you.
> 
> Matt
> Sent from my macbook pro
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Re: Writing in HTML tutorials

[Matt Dierckens]

Hi Shaun,
Thanks for the site. I'll have a look. I was meaning like an online tutorial. I 
found something a long time ago, maybe 2006 or so about it, but I can't 
remember now.

Matt
Sent from my macbook pro

On 2012-03-02, at 5:55 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Have you looked at Safari on the Oreilly.com site? If you join this site you 
> can access a lot of different computer books.
> 
> An actual accessible book on HTML I don't know of and would be interested for 
> myself.
> 
> 
> Sean 
> On 03/03/2012, at 9:15 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I was just wondering if anyone knew where I could find a good accessible 
>> tutorial on how to write HTML. Thank you.
>> 
>> Matt
>> Sent from my macbook pro
>> 
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Xpdf for mac

[.dan.]

I tried to install the macport version of xpdf.  The universal version is:

xpdf 3.02pl5

I get an error message saying the "3.02pl5" dependency is not present.

Has anyone install this package?  It is for use in terminal and converts 
the text in a pdf file into text among other things.



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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Jessica]

Ok, is there anyway though, to stop it from continuously downloading it 
while it's open?  When it opened it for the first time, it downloaded 50 
messages, then continuously downloaded them as I was deleting them, making 
it impossible to even get rid of them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ricardo Walker" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.


Hi,

you can't disable mail from downloading messages upon launch of the app.  It 
just assumes, if your opening mail, you want to read mail.  So, it retreives 
mail from the server without no further prompting.


Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:20 PM, "Jessica"  wrote:

I looked under my mail settings but couldn't find that option. 
Unfortunately, the only one I could find even remotely close to that, was 
the preview option, which gave me "every 50, 100, 200 500 or 1000," 
messages I think it was, but nothing about changing how many were 
downloaded, unless I had push enabled, which I don't, sense I don't know 
what it is, and hear it eats up your battery life.

- Original Message -
From: Eric Caron
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

Hi Jessica,

this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never touched 
the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully 
others can provide you more detailed help.


First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the 
iPhone there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead. 
Use that as you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone else 
will need to chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that is 
if you want it to.  some people prefer the Archive button.


In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages.  I 
have mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you 
the behavior you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the 
settings but if you look under settings then mail, you should find it.


Hope this info helps a little.

eric Caron

On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:

I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed to 
be going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I 
wasn't sure if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages, 
sense I don't see a button to delete them, so I just told it to move them 
to my trash folder.  Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them 
faster than I could move them, and I can't find an option to make this 
stop, which is eating away at my battery and cluttering up my phone, and 
I don't want my mail to automaticly download anyway, sense my e-mail 
isn't my whole life lol.

  So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a 
good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case 
then come check out Tmi wireless!
We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of 
items including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and 
you're payed a comission from every sale you make!

Check out

and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
to learn more, visit:




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Re: IDE for programming

[Bart Bunting]

emacs.


Bart

On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 09:53:57 +1100, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> Hi All.
> 
> What is a good IDE for programming under Mac for:
> 
> ruby
> Perl
> C
> C++
> Coco
> 
> 
> Web editing is another area of interest as well. Something that use's 
> templates to complete the HTML tags.
> 
> 
> Sean 
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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Alex Hall]

It kept re-downloading the same ones? That's not right. Maybe check
your imap settings on gmail's website?

No, there is no way to stop it from getting mail while you are in the
mail app. After all, you are there to check mail, so it tries to help
out by always getting the newest messages. Once it syncs itself with
the website it should be fine. Maybe just leave it alone for a while
until everything is updated?

On 3/2/12, Jessica  wrote:
> Ok, is there anyway though, to stop it from continuously downloading it
> while it's open?  When it opened it for the first time, it downloaded 50
> messages, then continuously downloaded them as I was deleting them, making
> it impossible to even get rid of them.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ricardo Walker" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:49 PM
> Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> you can't disable mail from downloading messages upon launch of the app.  It
> just assumes, if your opening mail, you want to read mail.  So, it retreives
> mail from the server without no further prompting.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:20 PM, "Jessica"  wrote:
>
>> I looked under my mail settings but couldn't find that option.
>> Unfortunately, the only one I could find even remotely close to that, was
>> the preview option, which gave me "every 50, 100, 200 500 or 1000,"
>> messages I think it was, but nothing about changing how many were
>> downloaded, unless I had push enabled, which I don't, sense I don't know
>> what it is, and hear it eats up your battery life.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Eric Caron
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.
>>
>> Hi Jessica,
>>
>> this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never touched
>>
>> the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully
>> others can provide you more detailed help.
>>
>> First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the
>> iPhone there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead.
>> Use that as you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone else
>>
>> will need to chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that is
>> if you want it to.  some people prefer the Archive button.
>>
>> In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages.  I
>> have mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you
>> the behavior you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the
>> settings but if you look under settings then mail, you should find it.
>>
>> Hope this info helps a little.
>>
>> eric Caron
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:
>>
>>> I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed to
>>>
>>> be going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I
>>> wasn't sure if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages,
>>> sense I don't see a button to delete them, so I just told it to move them
>>>
>>> to my trash folder.  Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them
>>> faster than I could move them, and I can't find an option to make this
>>> stop, which is eating away at my battery and cluttering up my phone, and
>>> I don't want my mail to automaticly download anyway, sense my e-mail
>>> isn't my whole life lol.
>>>   So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
>>> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a
>>> good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case
>>> then come check out Tmi wireless!
>>> We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of
>>> items including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and
>>> you're payed a comission from every sale you make!
>>> Check out
>>> 
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>>> to learn more, visit:
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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Jessica]

I actually went back and looked at that, and ended up finding it under the 
"fetch data," option, which was off by default.  So why would they still be 
automaticly downloading every few minuttes?
- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Hall" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.



Push basically gets messages all the time. Turning it off should give
you a "check for mail every" option which you double tap. Once you do,
you can select how often you want mail to check for messages.

On 3/2/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

Hi,

you can't disable mail from downloading messages upon launch of the app. 
It
just assumes, if your opening mail, you want to read mail.  So, it 
retreives

mail from the server without no further prompting.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:20 PM, "Jessica"  wrote:


I looked under my mail settings but couldn't find that option.
Unfortunately, the only one I could find even remotely close to that, 
was

the preview option, which gave me "every 50, 100, 200 500 or 1000,"
messages I think it was, but nothing about changing how many were
downloaded, unless I had push enabled, which I don't, sense I don't know
what it is, and hear it eats up your battery life.
- Original Message -
From: Eric Caron
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

Hi Jessica,

this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never 
touched

the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully
others can provide you more detailed help.

First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the
iPhone there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead.
Use that as you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone 
else
will need to chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that 
is

if you want it to.  some people prefer the Archive button.

In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages. 
I

have mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you
the behavior you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the
settings but if you look under settings then mail, you should find it.

Hope this info helps a little.

eric Caron

On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:

I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed 
to

be going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I
wasn't sure if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages,
sense I don't see a button to delete them, so I just told it to move 
them

to my trash folder.  Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them
faster than I could move them, and I can't find an option to make this
stop, which is eating away at my battery and cluttering up my phone, 
and

I don't want my mail to automaticly download anyway, sense my e-mail
isn't my whole life lol.
  So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a
good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case
then come check out Tmi wireless!
We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of
items including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, 
and

you're payed a comission from every sale you make!
Check out

and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
to learn more, visit:




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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Jessica]

It's not downloading the same one's continuously, it just continues to 
download new one's what seems like every 5 minuttes, before I've even had a 
chance to delete maybe 15 or so, so I'll have about 30 in my inbox, and next 
thing I know, I'll find 35 of them, then about 5 minuttes later, the cycle 
starts all over again, pretty much reminding me of the song that rapped up 
the show "lamb chop."
- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Hall" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.



It kept re-downloading the same ones? That's not right. Maybe check
your imap settings on gmail's website?

No, there is no way to stop it from getting mail while you are in the
mail app. After all, you are there to check mail, so it tries to help
out by always getting the newest messages. Once it syncs itself with
the website it should be fine. Maybe just leave it alone for a while
until everything is updated?

On 3/2/12, Jessica  wrote:

Ok, is there anyway though, to stop it from continuously downloading it
while it's open?  When it opened it for the first time, it downloaded 50
messages, then continuously downloaded them as I was deleting them, 
making

it impossible to even get rid of them.
- Original Message -
From: "Ricardo Walker" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.


Hi,

you can't disable mail from downloading messages upon launch of the app. 
It
just assumes, if your opening mail, you want to read mail.  So, it 
retreives

mail from the server without no further prompting.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:20 PM, "Jessica"  wrote:


I looked under my mail settings but couldn't find that option.
Unfortunately, the only one I could find even remotely close to that, 
was

the preview option, which gave me "every 50, 100, 200 500 or 1000,"
messages I think it was, but nothing about changing how many were
downloaded, unless I had push enabled, which I don't, sense I don't know
what it is, and hear it eats up your battery life.
- Original Message -
From: Eric Caron
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

Hi Jessica,

this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never 
touched


the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully
others can provide you more detailed help.

First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the
iPhone there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead.
Use that as you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone 
else


will need to chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that 
is

if you want it to.  some people prefer the Archive button.

In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages. 
I

have mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you
the behavior you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the
settings but if you look under settings then mail, you should find it.

Hope this info helps a little.

eric Caron

On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:

I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed 
to


be going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I
wasn't sure if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages,
sense I don't see a button to delete them, so I just told it to move 
them


to my trash folder.  Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them
faster than I could move them, and I can't find an option to make this
stop, which is eating away at my battery and cluttering up my phone, 
and

I don't want my mail to automaticly download anyway, sense my e-mail
isn't my whole life lol.
  So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a
good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case
then come check out Tmi wireless!
We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of
items including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, 
and

you're payed a comission from every sale you make!
Check out

and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
to learn more, visit:




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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Alex Hall]

Yes, while the app is open this happens. The mail fetching (sorry I
gave the wrong label) is for when mail is not actively running. As I
said, try letting it sync completely (I assume you have not yet done
this) and things should calm down. Otherwise, you just get a whole lot
of mail and there is not much that can be done. I usually just select
some messages, delete them, and then if new ones have come in I take
care of those as well. Sometimes the mail app will select the wrong
messages when you have some selected and new ones arrive, so watch for
that. That is the other reason I do this only some messages at a time.

On 3/2/12, Jessica  wrote:
> It's not downloading the same one's continuously, it just continues to
> download new one's what seems like every 5 minuttes, before I've even had a
> chance to delete maybe 15 or so, so I'll have about 30 in my inbox, and next
> thing I know, I'll find 35 of them, then about 5 minuttes later, the cycle
> starts all over again, pretty much reminding me of the song that rapped up
> the show "lamb chop."
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alex Hall" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.
>
>
>> It kept re-downloading the same ones? That's not right. Maybe check
>> your imap settings on gmail's website?
>>
>> No, there is no way to stop it from getting mail while you are in the
>> mail app. After all, you are there to check mail, so it tries to help
>> out by always getting the newest messages. Once it syncs itself with
>> the website it should be fine. Maybe just leave it alone for a while
>> until everything is updated?
>>
>> On 3/2/12, Jessica  wrote:
>>> Ok, is there anyway though, to stop it from continuously downloading it
>>> while it's open?  When it opened it for the first time, it downloaded 50
>>> messages, then continuously downloaded them as I was deleting them,
>>> making
>>> it impossible to even get rid of them.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Ricardo Walker" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> you can't disable mail from downloading messages upon launch of the app.
>>> It
>>> just assumes, if your opening mail, you want to read mail.  So, it
>>> retreives
>>> mail from the server without no further prompting.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:20 PM, "Jessica"  wrote:
>>>
 I looked under my mail settings but couldn't find that option.
 Unfortunately, the only one I could find even remotely close to that,
 was
 the preview option, which gave me "every 50, 100, 200 500 or 1000,"
 messages I think it was, but nothing about changing how many were
 downloaded, unless I had push enabled, which I don't, sense I don't know
 what it is, and hear it eats up your battery life.
 - Original Message -
 From: Eric Caron
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:20 PM
 Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

 Hi Jessica,

 this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never
 touched

 the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully
 others can provide you more detailed help.

 First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the
 iPhone there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead.
 Use that as you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone
 else

 will need to chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that
 is
 if you want it to.  some people prefer the Archive button.

 In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages.
 I
 have mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you
 the behavior you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the
 settings but if you look under settings then mail, you should find it.

 Hope this info helps a little.

 eric Caron

 On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:

> I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed
> to
>
> be going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I
> wasn't sure if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages,
> sense I don't see a button to delete them, so I just told it to move
> them
>
> to my trash folder.  Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them
> faster than I could move them, and I can't find an option to make this
> stop, which is eating away at my battery and cluttering up my phone,
> and
> I don't want my mail to automaticly download anyway, sense my e-mail
> isn't my whole life lol.
>   So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
> Are you looking for a free home base

Remove programs from Desktop

[Michael Malarsie]

Howdy everyone,
I have a few programs on my desktop that I want to remove but don't 
want to delete.
The only option I can find is to move them to the trash but when I do 
that they get deleted entirely from my computer.
Does anyone know how I can get them off the desktop? Thanks for the 
help ya'll.

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