Re: scientific calculator after some use

[Scott Howell]

Yuma,

WHich app is this one?

On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:58 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> Thanks for that one. Will be checking it in detail later this week.
> 
> I found another one with a note taking part where you can paste past 
> calculations or parts of it and plug it back into equations. The issue is 
> that all the buttons are unlabelled :) The devver was forthcoming in 
> rectifying this so good, but i need an immediate solution so your suggestion 
> might stick once i've understood the layout 
> 
> Thanks again 
> 
> Yuma 
> 
> 
> On 1/03/2012, at 7:25 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
>> I don't think the built-in calculator will do it. The only Deg button is 
>> just to switch modes from degrees to radians. There are a jillion 
>> calculators in the app store so you might want to take a poke through there. 
>> The LXVII calculator is one of those HP RPN calculators which should do the 
>> trick. Every button has three additional functions beyond its stated feature 
>> but on the 1 button there were R< and >P functions. If I left VO focus on 
>> there for a few seconds it read the help text saying it was rectangular to 
>> polar coordinates. On the third row of buttons are three unlabeled buttons 
>> which are the f, g and h buttons (which also read in the help text if you 
>> wait). They activate the secondary functions written in different colors. So 
>> the g button says it activates the blue functions which VO-A actually says 
>> are turquoise, which would be the >P secondary function on the 1 key. The f 
>> key activates the
>> yellow functions which VO actually reads as 'a shade of merliwood" or 
>> something like that. So that would be the R< on the one key. I also noticed 
>> that it didn't announce the values in the display at the top without my 
>> moving VO focus there so I set up a hotspot VO-shift-1 and then turned on 
>> monitoring of the hotspot VO-Command-shift-1.
>> 
>> Hope that makes some sense.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 2/24/12 6:52 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> The mac os calculator either has some serious performance problems and 
>>> doesn't have what i need or it's my perception that wants everything to be 
>>> extra zippy, and it does in fact have what i want. But the question i have 
>>> needs clairifcation before i endeavor for an alternative solution:
>>> 
>>> With the current default calculator, i have to do some tedious work before 
>>> getting results i want, ie for changing values from rectangular to polar 
>>> forms when doing complex numbers.
>>> 
>>> Normally there's a rec deg function available on all scientific calculators 
>>> but on this one, i have to manually enter the values which is a complete 
>>> drag and annoyance.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone please tell me if there is in fact a way to do this and i'm 
>>> missing out on something somewhere?
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Yuma
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: About My Last Post and Tune-In Radio For The Iphone

[Kevin Mattingly]

I use a couple of apps for basketball right now. One is college Hoops and the 
other is pro radio. I spent 99 cents for each and they have schedules and 
channel options for games. Tune In and OOTunes are both great radio apps.

Kev
On Feb 29, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

> Hey Guys. In my last post about wanting to know if there was sites I could go 
> to on my Mac to watch NBA Games or listen to them. Well, after writing it, I 
> don't know what hit me, but something told me to check my iPhone because I 
> have an app called Tune In Radio. So anyway, I went into Tune-In Radio, found 
> the sports section, and sure enough the game I wanted to listen was there. 
> This is another reason why I'm beginning to love my iPhone and if you can't 
> find a certain station online, odds are that Tune In Radio will have it and 
> the best part, it's accessible and free. I highly recommend this app.
> 
> Shawn
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Re: hybrid computing

[Teresa Cochran]

That's kind of fascinating. I wonder if someone would ever do that with Mac OS 
X?

Teresa

"Man is matter's ability to contemplate itself."--Albert Einstein

On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:32 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
>  
> This sounds as if it may solve a number of problems.  See article below.
>  
>  
> N Y Times Tech news for the week of Thursday 2/23/2012
>  Windows on the iPad, and Speedy


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if interaction went away

[Ray Foret Jr]

Hi there,

Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing of 
the concept of interaction.  For those of us with Iphones, that might not be 
such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering.  How would y'all feel if the 
very concept of interaction, (something which we just do without thinking in 
Mac OS), were to go away?  Bear in mind that I have no indications that 
interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought it might be fun to see 
how the group feels about that.


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Re: if interaction went away

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi.
I'm not sure how I'd feel if interaction was to go away. I think it would work 
if there was a way to jump from container to container like you can on an iPad. 
Of course, the screen would have to be broken up like that first.
An interesting idea though.
I too would be interested in other people's ideas on this.

On 2012-03-01, at 11:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
> respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing 
> of the concept of interaction.  For those of us with Iphones, that might not 
> be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering.  How would y'all feel 
> if the very concept of interaction, (something which we just do without 
> thinking in Mac OS), were to go away?  Bear in mind that I have no 
> indications that interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought it 
> might be fun to see how the group feels about that.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: if interaction went away

[Goodin, Donna]

Personally, I think that would be absolutely *fabulous  It's not that 
interaction is hard or anything, it's just an extra step, and it would be nice 
to get rid of it.
Donna

On Mar 1, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> Hi.
> I'm not sure how I'd feel if interaction was to go away. I think it would 
> work if there was a way to jump from container to container like you can on 
> an iPad. Of course, the screen would have to be broken up like that first.
> An interesting idea though.
> I too would be interested in other people's ideas on this.
> 
> On 2012-03-01, at 11:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
>> respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing 
>> of the concept of interaction.  For those of us with Iphones, that might not 
>> be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering.  How would y'all feel 
>> if the very concept of interaction, (something which we just do without 
>> thinking in Mac OS), were to go away?  Bear in mind that I have no 
>> indications that interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought it 
>> might be fun to see how the group feels about that.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: if interaction went away

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
I wouldn't mind it so long as there was another way to easily jump from one 
large control to another. As things stand at the moment however, I think the 
concept of interaction fits Voiceover. Remember that OS X is not primarily a 
touch screen os, and I'm much faster than I am on Windows because of the quick 
overview that interaction allows. It's also a handy feature when designing user 
interfaces, since I can see where the container is going to be positioned via 
the trackpad commander, then interact with it to quickly get a feel for how the 
various items will appear inside the container.
On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
> respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing 
> of the concept of interaction.  For those of us with Iphones, that might not 
> be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering.  How would y'all feel 
> if the very concept of interaction, (something which we just do without 
> thinking in Mac OS), were to go away?  Bear in mind that I have no 
> indications that interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought it 
> might be fun to see how the group feels about that.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
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Re: if interaction went away

[Teresa Cochran]

I think interaction makes a lot of sense when using a keyboard, but it isn't 
quite so essential with a trackpad. I don't really see the concept going away, 
because so much more information is displayed with a desktop than with a mobile 
device.

Teresa

"Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga

On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
> respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing 
> of the concept of interaction.  For those of us with Iphones, that might not 
> be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering.  How would y'all feel 
> if the very concept of interaction, (something which we just do without 
> thinking in Mac OS), were to go away?  Bear in mind that I have no 
> indications that interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought it 
> might be fun to see how the group feels about that.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
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Re: if interaction went away

[Mr. L. Alexander]

if the concept of the standard method of keyboard interaction were to "Fade 
away" then how would desktop and notebook users interact with voiceover? maybe 
if there was a more simplified rework of voiceover so that rather than long 
winded interaction proceedures to pages, objects and windows, we could have a 
more intuitive, single layer process. something like the old screen readers 
used to do.

lew

On 1 Mar 2012, at 18:16, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> I think interaction makes a lot of sense when using a keyboard, but it isn't 
> quite so essential with a trackpad. I don't really see the concept going 
> away, because so much more information is displayed with a desktop than with 
> a mobile device.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
>> respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing 
>> of the concept of interaction.  For those of us with Iphones, that might not 
>> be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering.  How would y'all feel 
>> if the very concept of interaction, (something which we just do without 
>> thinking in Mac OS), were to go away?  Bear in mind that I have no 
>> indications that interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought it 
>> might be fun to see how the group feels about that.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
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toggle number words/digits

[Traci]

Hi all,

Is there a way to toggle the way VO speaks numbers?

I was reading a recipe, and it sounded really odd reading 1 1/2 cups as 112 
cups.  Lol!

It would be really handy to have a quick key stroke to toggle words/digits.

Thanks,
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Re: if interaction went away

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
The trouble with what the old screen readers do in Windows when implemented on 
Mac is that there are quite a few apps that don't understand the standard 
methods of keyboard navigation. Many apps don't let you tab to all controls, or 
arrow through lists. So, even if interaction were to be axed, we would still 
need some way to handle these. In Windows, you have the mouse pointer movement 
commands of your screen reader of choice, but that's not quite as efficient 
when you have a large amount of data that must be scrolled repeatedly to find 
what you want. I'm sure it could be streamlined, but I doubt the concept will 
ever be completely removed at least, not as long as OS X remains primarily a 
keyboard and mouse driven system.

On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:

> if the concept of the standard method of keyboard interaction were to "Fade 
> away" then how would desktop and notebook users interact with voiceover? 
> maybe if there was a more simplified rework of voiceover so that rather than 
> long winded interaction proceedures to pages, objects and windows, we could 
> have a more intuitive, single layer process. something like the old screen 
> readers used to do.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 1 Mar 2012, at 18:16, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> I think interaction makes a lot of sense when using a keyboard, but it isn't 
>> quite so essential with a trackpad. I don't really see the concept going 
>> away, because so much more information is displayed with a desktop than with 
>> a mobile device.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
>>> respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing 
>>> of the concept of interaction.  For those of us with Iphones, that might 
>>> not be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering.  How would y'all 
>>> feel if the very concept of interaction, (something which we just do 
>>> without thinking in Mac OS), were to go away?  Bear in mind that I have no 
>>> indications that interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought 
>>> it might be fun to see how the group feels about that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Carbonite

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Has anyone ever used Carbonite backup. Is it accessible with VO, and Jaws?

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Re: Where are VoiceOver's labels stored?

[Steve Holmes]

I don't know specific file names but one could create some labels and
then jump into the shell and do some 'ls -ltr' commands on directories
to see what the latest file creation date might be.  I forget the
command option to do this recursively but the idea here would be to
find the most recently changed or created files and then go into your
time machine backup and match on the names.

I would certainly hope VO isn't this unstable.  Dropping files like
that is not acceptable.

On 2/29/12, Matthew Campbell  wrote:
> Hi all.
> Does anyone know where VoiceUnder stores it's labels?
> The stupid piece of code known as VoiceUnder in Lion, has just randomly
> deleted all of the labels that I have put on the buttons in VLC and I'd like
> to attempt to restore them from my time machine backup.
> Can anyone help?
> Thanks.
> PS: I think it's time for Lion to go back to the circus. I think even
> Windows Vista worked better with a screen reader when it was released.
> Hopefully, Mountain Lion will be better that Lion or I just might have to
> find a new OS or go back to windows
> Matthew Campbell, the verry unhappy Mac user.
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Re: Apple TV

[jason lefevers]

Hi , first I would like to intraduce myself , My name is jason LeFevers I live 
in Baltimore MD USA. I have been blind for about 9 years now, I lost my sight 
in a car accident while serving in the Airforce. I have only been using apple 
products bor a few years now with the purchase of the iphone 3gs. I am now 
loving all apple products . The toys I have currently are, iphone 4s, Macbook 
pro, apple tv, and airport extreme. I also have my PC with Jaws 13 that i also 
use. I have only had the macbook since and apple tv 2nd gen since christmass. I 
am still learning the voiceover on the mac but its getting easier to do things 
. I wanted to comment on the apple tv and say how much I enjoy it. For the 
first time since loosing my sight I am able to know what is on the tv and 
select what I want to watch with no sighted help. I use it alot to play tv 
shows for my kids when I am alone with them  using netflicks, and tv shows that 
i purchased from Itunes. I also have it hooked up to a nice stereo and take 
advantage of the airplay feature to play music from my itunes and pandora threw 
my stereo using my Iphone. I would be happy to answer any specific questions 
about it . thanks I look forward to learning more from you all about apple and 
other accessable toys. jason  

PS I hear rumers that the Apple Itv will be released sometime this year I am 
really excited to see what this tv will offer.  Feb 25, 2012, at 11:30 PM, 
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Re: toggle number words/digits

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Traci!
OK just open verbosity with vo+V and arrow left or right until you find numbers 
and you can change it to words with the up/down arrows!
Then just press escape!
Colin

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> Hi all,
> 
> Is there a way to toggle the way VO speaks numbers?
> 
> I was reading a recipe, and it sounded really odd reading 1 1/2 cups as 112 
> cups.  Lol!
> 
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Keyboard shortcuts

[Bill Holton]

Hi.
I created a keyboard shortcut in the keyboard system preferences to use CTRL-f 
to forward a message and another ctrl-l to move the current email into a 
different folder.  They both worked perfectly the first day, now I can't get 
either to work again.  They are both still in the shortcut table under 
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Re: Carbonite

[Alex Hall]

Yes, but only with jaws and nvda. It is mostly accessible, though
setup may require use of the jaws cursor. Once set up, though, it is
accessible.

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Re: toggle number words/digits

[Garth Humphreys]

Press VO+V, you then may need to press N by it's self to change to toggling 
number verbosity. After pressing N if needed you can use up and down arrows to 
toggle what is read.

Hope this makes sense. 

Garth @BlindTechMusing
On 02/03/2012, at 5:40 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi Traci!
> OK just open verbosity with vo+V and arrow left or right until you find 
> numbers and you can change it to words with the up/down arrows!
> Then just press escape!
> Colin
> 
> On 1 Mar 2012, at 19:04, Traci wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is there a way to toggle the way VO speaks numbers?
>> 
>> I was reading a recipe, and it sounded really odd reading 1 1/2 cups as 112 
>> cups.  Lol!
>> 
>> It would be really handy to have a quick key stroke to toggle words/digits.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
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Re: Carbonite

[Ray Foret Jr]

In short, if you use only VO, forget it.  Would that be fair to say?  


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On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Yes, but only with jaws and nvda. It is mostly accessible, though
> setup may require use of the jaws cursor. Once set up, though, it is
> accessible.
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what for twitter and daisybooks on the mac?

[Egbert]

Hi All,

a few days back i have asked here what apps you use for twitter and reading a 
daisy book.
Uptill now, there was no constructive reaction.
i have spend some money on apps that did not work wel or were not very 
accesible.
So, would yoyou please tell me what you use for twitter and daisy on your mac?
Thx,
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Re: Carbonite

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I'm sorry, I was not clear. I have only tried it with windows screen
readers; I have never used it with vo at all. Carbonite offers a
30-day trial, though, so people can play with it to see how it works
and not have to pay. Sorry again for the confusion.

On 3/1/12, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> In short, if you use only VO, forget it.  Would that be fair to say?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
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>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
>> Yes, but only with jaws and nvda. It is mostly accessible, though
>> setup may require use of the jaws cursor. Once set up, though, it is
>> accessible.
>>
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>>> Jaws?
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Re: if interaction went away

[Ricardo Walker]

I totally disagree.  For example, have you ever used iTunes on windows?  Its 
tabbing hell.  To change a setting on your IOS device, you have to tab like a 
mad person because there is no scroll area where settings are grouped.  Or, if 
you just want to bypass that stuff and get to something else, oh well.  You 
still have to navigate through all that stuff.

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On Mar 1, 2012, at 12:30 PM, "Goodin, Donna"  wrote:

> Personally, I think that would be absolutely *fabulous  It's not that 
> interaction is hard or anything, it's just an extra step, and it would be 
> nice to get rid of it.
> Donna
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> I'm not sure how I'd feel if interaction was to go away. I think it would 
>> work if there was a way to jump from container to container like you can on 
>> an iPad. Of course, the screen would have to be broken up like that first.
>> An interesting idea though.
>> I too would be interested in other people's ideas on this.
>> 
>> On 2012-03-01, at 11:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
>>> respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing 
>>> of the concept of interaction.  For those of us with Iphones, that might 
>>> not be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering.  How would y'all 
>>> feel if the very concept of interaction, (something which we just do 
>>> without thinking in Mac OS), were to go away?  Bear in mind that I have no 
>>> indications that interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought 
>>> it might be fun to see how the group feels about that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
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Re: if interaction went away

[Pete Nalda]

O yhink yhis males semce. To my inderstanding, interaction is a eay to tell vo 
where to focus. Ymmv.

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Teresa Cochran  wrote:

I think interaction makes a lot of sense when using a keyboard, but it isn't 
quite so essential with a trackpad. I don't really see the concept going away, 
because so much more information is displayed with a desktop than with a mobile 
device.

Teresa

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On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
> respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing 
> of the concept of interaction. For those of us with Iphones, that might not 
> be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering. How would y'all feel if 
> the very concept of interaction, (something which we just do without thinking 
> in Mac OS), were to go away? Bear in mind that I have no indications that 
> interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought it might be fun to 
> see how the group feels about that.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
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Re: what for twitter and daisybooks on the mac?

[Michael Malarsie]

I actually don't even have a single daisy book. I know nothing at all about 
them.

Mike Malarsie 
On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Egbert wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> a few days back i have asked here what apps you use for twitter and reading a 
> daisy book.
> Uptill now, there was no constructive reaction.
> i have spend some money on apps that did not work wel or were not very 
> accesible.
> So, would yoyou please tell me what you use for twitter and daisy on your mac?
> Thx,
> Egbert 
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Re: Where are VoiceOver's labels stored?

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi.
I just went in to library on the time machine backup and copied all of the 
VoiceUnder relate preference files.
The labels ended up coming back.
Thanks,

On 2012-03-01, at 2:30 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> I don't know specific file names but one could create some labels and
> then jump into the shell and do some 'ls -ltr' commands on directories
> to see what the latest file creation date might be.  I forget the
> command option to do this recursively but the idea here would be to
> find the most recently changed or created files and then go into your
> time machine backup and match on the names.
> 
> I would certainly hope VO isn't this unstable.  Dropping files like
> that is not acceptable.
> 
> On 2/29/12, Matthew Campbell  wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> Does anyone know where VoiceUnder stores it's labels?
>> The stupid piece of code known as VoiceUnder in Lion, has just randomly
>> deleted all of the labels that I have put on the buttons in VLC and I'd like
>> to attempt to restore them from my time machine backup.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks.
>> PS: I think it's time for Lion to go back to the circus. I think even
>> Windows Vista worked better with a screen reader when it was released.
>> Hopefully, Mountain Lion will be better that Lion or I just might have to
>> find a new OS or go back to windows
>> Matthew Campbell, the verry unhappy Mac user.
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Re: if interaction went away

[Ricardo Walker]

Can you say that again?

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On Mar 1, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:

> O yhink yhis males semce. To my inderstanding, interaction is a eay to tell 
> vo where to focus. Ymmv.
> 
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> Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> I think interaction makes a lot of sense when using a keyboard, but it isn't 
> quite so essential with a trackpad. I don't really see the concept going 
> away, because so much more information is displayed with a desktop than with 
> a mobile device.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
> > respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing 
> > of the concept of interaction.  For those of us with Iphones, that might 
> > not be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering.  How would y'all 
> > feel if the very concept of interaction, (something which we just do 
> > without thinking in Mac OS), were to go away?  Bear in mind that I have no 
> > indications that
> interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought it might be fun to 
> see how the group feels about that.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> > 
> > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> > 
> > Skype name:
> > barefootedray
> > 
> > Facebook:
> > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> > 
> > 
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Re: what for twitter and daisybooks on the mac?

[Egbert]

okee, nice to know, but as reaction not very helpfull big smile. see you on 
Skype! Egbert 
Op 1 mrt. 2012, om 22:57 heeft Michael Malarsie het volgende geschreven:

> I actually don't even have a single daisy book. I know nothing at all about 
> them.
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Egbert wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> a few days back i have asked here what apps you use for twitter and reading 
>> a daisy book.
>> Uptill now, there was no constructive reaction.
>> i have spend some money on apps that did not work wel or were not very 
>> accesible.
>> So, would yoyou please tell me what you use for twitter and daisy on your 
>> mac?
>> Thx,
>> Egbert 
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Re: if interaction went away

[Pete Nalda]

Ok sorry stupid android fonts! What I was saying was dead I think that this 
makes sense because interaction tells vo where to focus.

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Ricardo Walker  wrote:

Can you say that again?

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On Mar 1, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:

> O yhink yhis males semce. To my inderstanding, interaction is a eay to tell 
> vo where to focus. Ymmv.
> 
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> Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> I think interaction makes a lot of sense when using a keyboard, but it isn't 
> quite so essential with a trackpad. I don't really see the concept going 
> away, because so much more information is displayed with a desktop than with 
> a mobile device.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
> > respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the vanishing 
> > of the concept of interaction. For those of us with Iphones, that might not 
> > be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering. How would y'all feel 
> > if the very concept of interaction, (something which we just do without 
> > thinking in Mac OS), were to go away? Bear in mind that I have no 
> > indications that
> interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I thought it might be fun to 
> see how the group feels about that.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> > 
> > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> > 
> > Skype name:
> > barefootedray
> > 
> > Facebook:
> > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
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> > 
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Re: Netflix on Mac?

[Traci]

Thank you,

Here's an update.  As far as I can tell, VO doesn't work well with the movie 
window. :(

Lol, I'm wondering if an Apple TV might be in order.

Traci

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On Feb 29, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> The site works fairly well on the Mac. You do have to download the silverlite 
> plugin, which safari will find for you. The downside is that as far as I 
> know, there isn't a way to use the controls for the player, i.e. play, pause, 
> etc. You would have to start the video over again. Someone correct me, 
> please, if I am wrong. I'd love to be wrong in this.
> 
> HTH,
> Teresa
> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
> 
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Traci wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Is it doable to watch Netflix on the Mac and use voiceover?  I'd like to 
>> select which episodes I want to watch, and I'd like to put the show in 
>> full-screen.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
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Mac Book Air & cooling fan?

[Traci]

Hi all, I still consider myself new to the whole Mac experience.

I was just watching a tv show via Netflix, and my Macbook Air's fan kicked in 
big time.

1. Is this normal?
2. If so, will it damage the Mac while watching a tv show or movie?
3. Is it possible the MBA isn't meant for movie watching?

Lol, maybe the Mac doesn't like silverlight.

Thanks everyone,
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2 mail ishues

[Egbert]

HI,
IN my mail there are two things i don't understand.
When there are 600 mails, how do i navigate quick to the first or last one?
and how can i save an important mail in a folder of my choose?
I hope to hear from you,
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Re: Mac Book Air & cooling fan?

[Kevin Mattingly]

On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Traci wrote:

> Hi all, I still consider myself new to the whole Mac experience.
> 
> I was just watching a tv show via Netflix, and my Macbook Air's fan kicked in 
> big time.
> 
> 1. Is this normal?
> Answer: Sure., absolutely normal...
> 2. If so, will it damage the Mac while watching a tv show or movie?
> Answer: No, not at all
> 3 Is it possible the MBA isn't meant for movie watching?
Answer: It sounds like it is working just fine and movies should never be an 
issue.

> 
> Lol, maybe the Mac doesn't like silverlight.
> 
> Thanks everyone,
> Traci
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Mac + Chrome + Netflix = html5?

[Traci]

Any users out there of Netflix and Chrome?

I've been googling to see alternatives to streaming Netflix and came across 
many articles talking about Netflix and html5 for Chrome and Linex.

I was wondering if the Chrome experience was better with VO?

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Re: 2 mail ishues

[Teresa Cochran]

In the message list, use VO-shift home and end to get to the top and bottom of 
the list respectively. To move a message, go to the message menu and choose 
"move to folder."

HTh,
teresa

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> HI,
> IN my mail there are two things i don't understand.
> When there are 600 mails, how do i navigate quick to the first or last one?
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Re: if interaction went away

[Scott Howell]

I don't think you have to worry about radical changes.

On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:

> Hi
> The trouble with what the old screen readers do in Windows when implemented 
> on Mac is that there are quite a few apps that don't understand the standard 
> methods of keyboard navigation. Many apps don't let you tab to all controls, 
> or arrow through lists. So, even if interaction were to be axed, we would 
> still need some way to handle these. In Windows, you have the mouse pointer 
> movement commands of your screen reader of choice, but that's not quite as 
> efficient when you have a large amount of data that must be scrolled 
> repeatedly to find what you want. I'm sure it could be streamlined, but I 
> doubt the concept will ever be completely removed at least, not as long as OS 
> X remains primarily a keyboard and mouse driven system.
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
> 
>> if the concept of the standard method of keyboard interaction were to "Fade 
>> away" then how would desktop and notebook users interact with voiceover? 
>> maybe if there was a more simplified rework of voiceover so that rather than 
>> long winded interaction proceedures to pages, objects and windows, we could 
>> have a more intuitive, single layer process. something like the old screen 
>> readers used to do.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 1 Mar 2012, at 18:16, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> I think interaction makes a lot of sense when using a keyboard, but it 
>>> isn't quite so essential with a trackpad. I don't really see the concept 
>>> going away, because so much more information is displayed with a desktop 
>>> than with a mobile device.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
>>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there,
 
 Considering that OS 10.8 is supposedly going to be much like IOS in many 
 respects, it occurred to me that perhaps we might see in 10.8 the 
 vanishing of the concept of interaction.  For those of us with Iphones, 
 that might not be such a big deal; but, I just can't help wondering.  How 
 would y'all feel if the very concept of interaction, (something which we 
 just do without thinking in Mac OS), were to go away?  Bear in mind that I 
 have no indications that interaction will be going away in 10.8; still, I 
 thought it might be fun to see how the group feels about that.
 
 
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 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
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Re: Apple TV

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Hey Jason,

Very good and nice to see another Marylander on the list. 

On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:35 PM, jason lefevers wrote:

> Hi , first I would like to intraduce myself , My name is jason LeFevers I 
> live in Baltimore MD USA. I have been blind for about 9 years now, I lost my 
> sight in a car accident while serving in the Airforce. I have only been using 
> apple products bor a few years now with the purchase of the iphone 3gs. I am 
> now loving all apple products . The toys I have currently are, iphone 4s, 
> Macbook pro, apple tv, and airport extreme. I also have my PC with Jaws 13 
> that i also use. I have only had the macbook since and apple tv 2nd gen since 
> christmass. I am still learning the voiceover on the mac but its getting 
> easier to do things . I wanted to comment on the apple tv and say how much I 
> enjoy it. For the first time since loosing my sight I am able to know what is 
> on the tv and select what I want to watch with no sighted help. I use it alot 
> to play tv shows for my kids when I am alone with them  using netflicks, and 
> tv shows that i purchased from Itunes. I also have it hooked up to a nice 
> stereo and take advantage of the airplay feature to play music from my itunes 
> and pandora threw my stereo using my Iphone. I would be happy to answer any 
> specific questions about it . thanks I look forward to learning more from you 
> all about apple and other accessable toys. jason  
> 
> PS I hear rumers that the Apple Itv will be released sometime this year I am 
> really excited to see what this tv will offer.  Feb 25, 2012, at 11:30 PM, 
> Eugenia Firth wrote:
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>> Apple
> 
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Re: toggle number words/digits

[Traci]

Thanks guys, I guess I was hoping there was a single keystroke to toggle this.

Traci
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On Mar 1, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote:

> Press VO+V, you then may need to press N by it's self to change to toggling 
> number verbosity. After pressing N if needed you can use up and down arrows 
> to toggle what is read.
> 
> Hope this makes sense. 
> 
> Garth @BlindTechMusing
> On 02/03/2012, at 5:40 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> 
>> Hi Traci!
>> OK just open verbosity with vo+V and arrow left or right until you find 
>> numbers and you can change it to words with the up/down arrows!
>> Then just press escape!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 1 Mar 2012, at 19:04, Traci wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to toggle the way VO speaks numbers?
>>> 
>>> I was reading a recipe, and it sounded really odd reading 1 1/2 cups as 112 
>>> cups.  Lol!
>>> 
>>> It would be really handy to have a quick key stroke to toggle words/digits.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
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Re: Apple TV

[Mike Malarsie]

What are all the parts required for apple tv? I'm considering it now. What's 
required for setup?

Mike Malarsie 



On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:

> Hey Jason,
> 
> Very good and nice to see another Marylander on the list. 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:35 PM, jason lefevers wrote:
> 
>> Hi , first I would like to intraduce myself , My name is jason LeFevers I 
>> live in Baltimore MD USA. I have been blind for about 9 years now, I lost my 
>> sight in a car accident while serving in the Airforce. I have only been 
>> using apple products bor a few years now with the purchase of the iphone 
>> 3gs. I am now loving all apple products . The toys I have currently are, 
>> iphone 4s, Macbook pro, apple tv, and airport extreme. I also have my PC 
>> with Jaws 13 that i also use. I have only had the macbook since and apple tv 
>> 2nd gen since christmass. I am still learning the voiceover on the mac but 
>> its getting easier to do things . I wanted to comment on the apple tv and 
>> say how much I enjoy it. For the first time since loosing my sight I am able 
>> to know what is on the tv and select what I want to watch with no sighted 
>> help. I use it alot to play tv shows for my kids when I am alone with them  
>> using netflicks, and tv shows that i purchased from Itunes. I also have it 
>> hooked up to a nice stereo and take advantage of the airplay feature to play 
>> music from my itunes and pandora threw my stereo using my Iphone. I would be 
>> happy to answer any specific questions about it . thanks I look forward to 
>> learning more from you all about apple and other accessable toys. jason  
>> 
>> PS I hear rumers that the Apple Itv will be released sometime this year I am 
>> really excited to see what this tv will offer.  Feb 25, 2012, at 11:30 PM, 
>> Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> 
>>> Apple
>> 
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Re: scientific calculator after some use

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

It's called CalcMadeEasy Free and there's also the pro version. They're working 
on the ios version and as soon as they're done, they'll provide accessiblity, 
or moreso label the buttons. 



On 1/03/2012, at 11:35 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:

> Yuma,
> 
> WHich app is this one?
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:58 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Thanks for that one. Will be checking it in detail later this week.
>> 
>> I found another one with a note taking part where you can paste past 
>> calculations or parts of it and plug it back into equations. The issue is 
>> that all the buttons are unlabelled :) The devver was forthcoming in 
>> rectifying this so good, but i need an immediate solution so your suggestion 
>> might stick once i've understood the layout 
>> 
>> Thanks again 
>> 
>> Yuma 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/03/2012, at 7:25 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think the built-in calculator will do it. The only Deg button is 
>>> just to switch modes from degrees to radians. There are a jillion 
>>> calculators in the app store so you might want to take a poke through 
>>> there. The LXVII calculator is one of those HP RPN calculators which should 
>>> do the trick. Every button has three additional functions beyond its stated 
>>> feature but on the 1 button there were R< and >P functions. If I left VO 
>>> focus on there for a few seconds it read the help text saying it was 
>>> rectangular to polar coordinates. On the third row of buttons are three 
>>> unlabeled buttons which are the f, g and h buttons (which also read in the 
>>> help text if you wait). They activate the secondary functions written in 
>>> different colors. So the g button says it activates the blue functions 
>>> which VO-A actually says are turquoise, which would be the >P secondary 
>>> function on the 1 key. The f key activates the
>>> yellow functions which VO actually reads as 'a shade of merliwood" or 
>>> something like that. So that would be the R< on the one key. I also noticed 
>>> that it didn't announce the values in the display at the top without my 
>>> moving VO focus there so I set up a hotspot VO-shift-1 and then turned on 
>>> monitoring of the hotspot VO-Command-shift-1.
>>> 
>>> Hope that makes some sense.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 2/24/12 6:52 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 The mac os calculator either has some serious performance problems and 
 doesn't have what i need or it's my perception that wants everything to be 
 extra zippy, and it does in fact have what i want. But the question i have 
 needs clairifcation before i endeavor for an alternative solution:
 
 With the current default calculator, i have to do some tedious work before 
 getting results i want, ie for changing values from rectangular to polar 
 forms when doing complex numbers.
 
 Normally there's a rec deg function available on all scientific 
 calculators but on this one, i have to manually enter the values which is 
 a complete drag and annoyance.
 
 Can anyone please tell me if there is in fact a way to do this and i'm 
 missing out on something somewhere?
 
 Best regards,
 
 Yuma
 
 
 
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Re: Apple TV

[Jasonlefevers.massage]

The apple tv, a hdmi cable and a tv or reciever that takes a hdmi, oh and a 
Internet connection either wireless or either net  is all needed.

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On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Mike Malarsie  wrote:

> What are all the parts required for apple tv? I'm considering it now. What's 
> required for setup?
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Jason,
>> 
>> Very good and nice to see another Marylander on the list. 
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:35 PM, jason lefevers wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi , first I would like to intraduce myself , My name is jason LeFevers I 
>>> live in Baltimore MD USA. I have been blind for about 9 years now, I lost 
>>> my sight in a car accident while serving in the Airforce. I have only been 
>>> using apple products bor a few years now with the purchase of the iphone 
>>> 3gs. I am now loving all apple products . The toys I have currently are, 
>>> iphone 4s, Macbook pro, apple tv, and airport extreme. I also have my PC 
>>> with Jaws 13 that i also use. I have only had the macbook since and apple 
>>> tv 2nd gen since christmass. I am still learning the voiceover on the mac 
>>> but its getting easier to do things . I wanted to comment on the apple tv 
>>> and say how much I enjoy it. For the first time since loosing my sight I am 
>>> able to know what is on the tv and select what I want to watch with no 
>>> sighted help. I use it alot to play tv shows for my kids when I am alone 
>>> with them  using netflicks, and tv shows that i purchased from Itunes. I 
>>> also have it hooked up to a nice stereo and take advantage of the airplay 
>>> feature to play music from my itunes and pandora threw my stereo using my 
>>> Iphone. I would be happy to answer any specific questions about it . thanks 
>>> I look forward to learning more from you all about apple and other 
>>> accessable toys. jason  
>>> 
>>> PS I hear rumers that the Apple Itv will be released sometime this year I 
>>> am really excited to see what this tv will offer.  Feb 25, 2012, at 11:30 
>>> PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>> 
 Apple
>>> 
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Re: if interaction went away

[Mary Otten]

I've never used Itunes on Windows, but I will say I find it no end irritating 
to have to interact with a group just to find out of a checkbox is checked or 
not in the books table. Or I have to interact with a group just to go to the 
link for an item in the app store or go to a book title in the app store. 
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listen links in itunes album tables. It isn't good enough just to focus on the 
link. You have to interact with it to click it. It didn't use to be that way 
with the checkboxes. I wish they'd put it back the way it use to be. 

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Re: Mac + Chrome + Netflix = html5?

[Michael Malarsie]

I don't know anything about Chrome on the Mac. I downloaded in on my PC afew 
months ago and it was completely inaccessible. I did some reserch and found out 
that before it will work with JAWS there is some third party software that must 
be downloaded first. 
Other than that i don't know anything about it..

Mike Malarsie 
On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Traci wrote:

> Any users out there of Netflix and Chrome?
> 
> I've been googling to see alternatives to streaming Netflix and came across 
> many articles talking about Netflix and html5 for Chrome and Linex.
> 
> I was wondering if the Chrome experience was better with VO?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Mac + Chrome + Netflix = html5?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Chrome works just fine on the Mac now.  You can just use it with voiceover.  
The screen reader plugin isn't necessary.

hth

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> I don't know anything about Chrome on the Mac. I downloaded in on my PC afew 
> months ago and it was completely inaccessible. I did some reserch and found 
> out that before it will work with JAWS there is some third party software 
> that must be downloaded first. 
>   Other than that i don't know anything about it..
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Traci wrote:
> 
>> Any users out there of Netflix and Chrome?
>> 
>> I've been googling to see alternatives to streaming Netflix and came across 
>> many articles talking about Netflix and html5 for Chrome and Linex.
>> 
>> I was wondering if the Chrome experience was better with VO?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
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Re: if interaction went away

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I rather have that than be forced to have the screen reader rattle off 
information that I don't care about.  

Ricardo Walker
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> I've never used Itunes on Windows, but I will say I find it no end irritating 
> to have to interact with a group just to find out of a checkbox is checked or 
> not in the books table. Or I have to interact with a group just to go to the 
> link for an item in the app store or go to a book title in the app store. 
> That's a lot of clicking just to get access to a link. and then there are the 
> listen links in itunes album tables. It isn't good enough just to focus on 
> the link. You have to interact with it to click it. It didn't use to be that 
> way with the checkboxes. I wish they'd put it back the way it use to be. 
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: Mac Book Air & cooling fan?

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi 

I must admit to being surprised at just how hot my MBA gets at times. It can 
put out a lot of heat. I am not concerned about this but it has made me go 
looking for the perfect hard tray to place it on when it bed etc. I find you 
definitely need something to put it on so that there is good air flow. 

It has a heat sensor which will shut it off if it gets so hot that the heat 
would cause any damage so I wouldn't worry about the fan kicking in. Having 
said This, one thing that will shorten the life span of these rechargeable 
batteries is heat so always make sure you allow for good air flow. 

Garth 
@BlindTechMusing

On 02/03/2012, at 9:09 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Traci wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, I still consider myself new to the whole Mac experience.
>> 
>> I was just watching a tv show via Netflix, and my Macbook Air's fan kicked 
>> in big time.
>> 
>> 1. Is this normal?
>> Answer: Sure., absolutely normal...
>> 2. If so, will it damage the Mac while watching a tv show or movie?
>> Answer: No, not at all
>> 3 Is it possible the MBA isn't meant for movie watching?
> Answer: It sounds like it is working just fine and movies should never be an 
> issue.
> 
>> 
>> Lol, maybe the Mac doesn't like silverlight.
>> 
>> Thanks everyone,
>> Traci
>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
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Re: showing user library in time machine backup

[Ricardo Walker]

I don't believe so.  I'm trying to get to user/library but on a time machine 
backup.  user/library is hidden.  I know how to unhide this on my Mac HD but, 
not in a backup.
Ricardo Walker
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On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Robert Carter  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> If you open the time machine backup in the finder just like it was your 
> regular hard disk, can't you get to the user library from the go menu?
> 
> Robert Carter
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> There are some files and folders I would like to get to on my time machine 
>> back up.  The problem is, the user library is hidden.  Can someone tell me 
>> how to unhide the user library folder in a time machine backup?  I know how 
>> to do this on my Mac HD via the go menu.  Just can't figure it out on time 
>> machine.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Mac Book Air & cooling fan?

[Ricardo Walker]

I must say I'm surprised.  I figured the MBA would run cooler since its using a 
SSD.

Ricardo Walker
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> Hi 
> 
> I must admit to being surprised at just how hot my MBA gets at times. It can 
> put out a lot of heat. I am not concerned about this but it has made me go 
> looking for the perfect hard tray to place it on when it bed etc. I find you 
> definitely need something to put it on so that there is good air flow. 
> 
> It has a heat sensor which will shut it off if it gets so hot that the heat 
> would cause any damage so I wouldn't worry about the fan kicking in. Having 
> said This, one thing that will shorten the life span of these rechargeable 
> batteries is heat so always make sure you allow for good air flow. 
> 
> Garth 
> @BlindTechMusing
> 
> On 02/03/2012, at 9:09 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Traci wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, I still consider myself new to the whole Mac experience.
>>> 
>>> I was just watching a tv show via Netflix, and my Macbook Air's fan kicked 
>>> in big time.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is this normal?
>>> Answer: Sure., absolutely normal...
>>> 2. If so, will it damage the Mac while watching a tv show or movie?
>>> Answer: No, not at all
>>> 3 Is it possible the MBA isn't meant for movie watching?
>> Answer: It sounds like it is working just fine and movies should never be an 
>> issue.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Lol, maybe the Mac doesn't like silverlight.
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone,
>>> Traci
>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
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Re: iMovie drag and drop problem

[Jessica]

Ok, how in the world do you even use IMovie in the first place?  I'd heard 
it was accessible, so tried to use it to make a vidio of me and my 
2-year-old, and couldn't figure out how to do a thing with it.
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Malarsie" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:04 PM
Subject: iMovie drag and drop problem


I have an issue all the sudden with iMovie.
Normally when I make my videos I drag and drop the title, video, and music 
all into place and drop them. This has been working great the last few 
months. I jsut made a video last week and it worked.
Well now for some reason when I select an item to move, no matter where I am 
it says "Mouse down on Apple". I dont know why it's doing this. Cursor 
tracking is on and I have made sure to move the cursor to the Voice Over 
cursor but it still wont work. It works everywhere else, just not in iMovie.

Do any of you have any ideas on things to try? Thanks everyone!


Mike Malarsie

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uninstalling Fan Control Under Lion

[Ray Foret Jr]

Hi there,

I am contemplating installing Fan control, but, I won't do it unless I can 
figure something out.  In SL, one could remove Fan Control by going to:
~/Library/Preferences/Demon Fan control and then, one went to c/Library/Startup 
Items/Fan Control and removed the files there.  After that, reset the SLRC or 
what ever it's called and so on.  However, under Lion, Even though I unhide the 
~/Library folder structure with Tinker Tool and remove the Fan control Prefs 
from it's place there, there's nothing under the c/Library/Startup directory to 
remove.  Where do I look for the Fan control Startup files to remove under 
Lion?  I thought perhaps it might be somewhere in c/Library/System but not sure.

Thanks.


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Re: iMovie drag and drop problem

[Mike Malarsie]

Before it started actin up I could do a lot of basics. Trim clips, add music 
and titles, as well as transitions. 
Now I can only trim and merge clips. 
I can walk u thru it via Skype or I can send u a link to my YouTube videos 
about it

Mike Malarsie 



On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:49 PM, "Jessica"  wrote:

> Ok, how in the world do you even use IMovie in the first place?  I'd heard it 
> was accessible, so tried to use it to make a vidio of me and my 2-year-old, 
> and couldn't figure out how to do a thing with it.
> - Original Message - From: "Michael Malarsie" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:04 PM
> Subject: iMovie drag and drop problem
> 
> 
> I have an issue all the sudden with iMovie.
> Normally when I make my videos I drag and drop the title, video, and music 
> all into place and drop them. This has been working great the last few 
> months. I jsut made a video last week and it worked.
> Well now for some reason when I select an item to move, no matter where I am 
> it says "Mouse down on Apple". I dont know why it's doing this. Cursor 
> tracking is on and I have made sure to move the cursor to the Voice Over 
> cursor but it still wont work. It works everywhere else, just not in iMovie.
> Do any of you have any ideas on things to try? Thanks everyone!
> 
> 
> Mike Malarsie
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where am I going wrong with this?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Hi,

In an attempt to unhide my ~/Library Directory, I'm using the following 
terminal command:

"chflags nohidden /Users//Library/

No luck with that so I'm tryin this:

"chflags nohidden ~/Library/"

No luck with that either.  Note,  the lines of code I'm using above are exactly 
the way I typed them in minus the quotes of course.

thanks.


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Re: where am I going wrong with this?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Never mind.  Somehow, I figured it out.

I used:

"chflags nohidden ~/Library"

I think that did it.


Sincerely,
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On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> In an attempt to unhide my ~/Library Directory, I'm using the following 
> terminal command:
> 
> "chflags nohidden /Users//Library/
> 
> No luck with that so I'm tryin this:
> 
> "chflags nohidden ~/Library/"
> 
> No luck with that either.  Note,  the lines of code I'm using above are 
> exactly the way I typed them in minus the quotes of course.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
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> 
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Re: scientific calculator after some use

[Emrah]

Hi there,

I gave up on built in calculators and now remotely connect on my Linux box to 
use Qalc.
I am sure qalc can be installed on a Mac with no difficulties.
Qalc uses a command line interface.

Emrah
On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> It's called CalcMadeEasy Free and there's also the pro version. They're 
> working on the ios version and as soon as they're done, they'll provide 
> accessiblity, or moreso label the buttons. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/03/2012, at 11:35 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
> 
>> Yuma,
>> 
>> WHich app is this one?
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:58 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that one. Will be checking it in detail later this week.
>>> 
>>> I found another one with a note taking part where you can paste past 
>>> calculations or parts of it and plug it back into equations. The issue is 
>>> that all the buttons are unlabelled :) The devver was forthcoming in 
>>> rectifying this so good, but i need an immediate solution so your 
>>> suggestion might stick once i've understood the layout 
>>> 
>>> Thanks again 
>>> 
>>> Yuma 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/03/2012, at 7:25 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>> 
 I don't think the built-in calculator will do it. The only Deg button is 
 just to switch modes from degrees to radians. There are a jillion 
 calculators in the app store so you might want to take a poke through 
 there. The LXVII calculator is one of those HP RPN calculators which 
 should do the trick. Every button has three additional functions beyond 
 its stated feature but on the 1 button there were R< and >P functions. If 
 I left VO focus on there for a few seconds it read the help text saying it 
 was rectangular to polar coordinates. On the third row of buttons are 
 three unlabeled buttons which are the f, g and h buttons (which also read 
 in the help text if you wait). They activate the secondary functions 
 written in different colors. So the g button says it activates the blue 
 functions which VO-A actually says are turquoise, which would be the >P 
 secondary function on the 1 key. The f key activates the
 yellow functions which VO actually reads as 'a shade of merliwood" or 
 something like that. So that would be the R< on the one key. I also 
 noticed that it didn't announce the values in the display at the top 
 without my moving VO focus there so I set up a hotspot VO-shift-1 and then 
 turned on monitoring of the hotspot VO-Command-shift-1.
 
 Hope that makes some sense.
 
 CB
 
 On 2/24/12 6:52 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> The mac os calculator either has some serious performance problems and 
> doesn't have what i need or it's my perception that wants everything to 
> be extra zippy, and it does in fact have what i want. But the question i 
> have needs clairifcation before i endeavor for an alternative solution:
> 
> With the current default calculator, i have to do some tedious work 
> before getting results i want, ie for changing values from rectangular to 
> polar forms when doing complex numbers.
> 
> Normally there's a rec deg function available on all scientific 
> calculators but on this one, i have to manually enter the values which is 
> a complete drag and annoyance.
> 
> Can anyone please tell me if there is in fact a way to do this and i'm 
> missing out on something somewhere?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Yuma
> 
> 
> 
 
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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Eric Caron]

Hi Jessica,

this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never 
touched the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully 
others can provide you more detailed help.

First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the iPhone 
there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead.  Use that as 
you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone else will need to 
chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that is if you want it to. 
 some people prefer the Archive button.

In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages.  I have 
mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you the behavior 
you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the settings but if you 
look under settings then mail, you should find it.

Hope this info helps a little.

eric Caron 

On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:

> I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed to be 
> going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I wasn't sure 
> if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages, sense I don't see a 
> button to delete them, so I just told it to move them to my trash folder.  
> Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them faster than I could move 
> them, and I can't find an option to make this stop, which is eating away at 
> my battery and cluttering up my phone, and I don't want my mail to 
> automaticly download anyway, sense my e-mail isn't my whole life lol.
>   So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a good 
> income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then come 
> check out Tmi wireless!
> We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of items 
> including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're 
> payed a comission from every sale you make!
> Check out 
>  
> and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
> to learn more, visit:
> 
>  
>  
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A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Emrah]

Guys,

For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me misspelled 
words when I read emails, not just when composing.

I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite greeting... I 
don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I think we should 
dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some emails on the list are 
really creepy!

Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not talking 
about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people that sound 
like native American / English and do not review their emails before sending. 
English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent and use the right 
punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text to speech!

Thanks!

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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Wes Smith]

What other languages do you know?  What is your first?  Just wondering.  Thanks.
On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Emrah wrote:

> Guys,
> 
> For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me misspelled 
> words when I read emails, not just when composing.
> 
> I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite greeting... I 
> don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I think we should 
> dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some emails on the list are 
> really creepy!
> 
> Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not talking 
> about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people that sound 
> like native American / English and do not review their emails before sending. 
> English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent and use the right 
> punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text to speech!
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Jessica]

Oh wow, thanx so much for those, I thought I was going to lose it if this kept 
up lol.  I love my IPhone, but some of the layout's are hard to get used to at 
the same time, especially considering the fact that there aren't any context 
menu's like the Windows mobile phones I've been used to using for years, which 
in most cases, I actually like a lot better, because everything I need is in 
plain view and easier to find, but wasn't so easy this time.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Caron 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:20 PM
  Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.


  Hi Jessica,


  this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never touched 
the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully others 
can provide you more detailed help.


  First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the iPhone 
there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead.  Use that as 
you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone else will need to 
chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that is if you want it to. 
 some people prefer the Archive button.


  In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages.  I 
have mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you the 
behavior you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the settings but 
if you look under settings then mail, you should find it.


  Hope this info helps a little.


  eric Caron 


  On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:


I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed to 
be going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I wasn't 
sure if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages, sense I don't 
see a button to delete them, so I just told it to move them to my trash folder. 
 Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them faster than I could move them, 
and I can't find an option to make this stop, which is eating away at my 
battery and cluttering up my phone, and I don't want my mail to automaticly 
download anyway, sense my e-mail isn't my whole life lol.
  So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a 
good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then come 
check out Tmi wireless!
We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of items 
including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're payed 
a comission from every sale you make!
Check out 
 
and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
to learn more, visit:





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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Emrah]

I was born in French speaking Switzerland, so French is my mother tongue. 
My parents are Kurdish and immigrated from Turkey.
I was taught German at school.
My job is in English.

The bottom line is that I can manage Turkish, one dialect of Kurdish, French 
and English. I am not fluent in German.

I am a citizen of the world with my heart anchored in the USA. 

Cheers!
On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Wes Smith wrote:

> What other languages do you know?  What is your first?  Just wondering.  
> Thanks.
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Emrah wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me misspelled 
>> words when I read emails, not just when composing.
>> 
>> I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite greeting... I 
>> don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I think we should 
>> dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some emails on the list are 
>> really creepy!
>> 
>> Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not 
>> talking about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people 
>> that sound like native American / English and do not review their emails 
>> before sending. English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent 
>> and use the right punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text to 
>> speech!
>> 
>> Thanks!
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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Wes Smith]

Whoa!
You.  ARe.  SMART
I'm not sure I could do that!!  :)On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Emrah wrote:

> I was born in French speaking Switzerland, so French is my mother tongue. 
> My parents are Kurdish and immigrated from Turkey.
> I was taught German at school.
> My job is in English.
> 
> The bottom line is that I can manage Turkish, one dialect of Kurdish, French 
> and English. I am not fluent in German.
> 
> I am a citizen of the world with my heart anchored in the USA. 
> 
> Cheers!
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Wes Smith wrote:
> 
>> What other languages do you know?  What is your first?  Just wondering.  
>> Thanks.
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Emrah wrote:
>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me misspelled 
>>> words when I read emails, not just when composing.
>>> 
>>> I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite greeting... 
>>> I don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I think we should 
>>> dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some emails on the list are 
>>> really creepy!
>>> 
>>> Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not 
>>> talking about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people 
>>> that sound like native American / English and do not review their emails 
>>> before sending. English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent 
>>> and use the right punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text 
>>> to speech!
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Can we return to her original request?  I agree.  to speak frankly, not only is 
it that some people do not bother to spell check; but also, that they are 
thinking way ahead of what they're typing.  As a result, they don't pay 
attention to the letters they are pressing on the keyboard.  That makes for 
just plain sloppy writing, and, sometimes, you can't even read the message 
because the typing itself is inexcusably bad.  Lucky this isn't one of those 
English grammar lists where one single space or letter or punctuation mark out 
of place and the moderator throws you off the list.  I've never been on or read 
from such a list; but, I'm told they do exist.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Wes Smith wrote:

> Whoa!
> You.  ARe.  SMART
> I'm not sure I could do that!!  :)On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Emrah wrote:
> 
>> I was born in French speaking Switzerland, so French is my mother tongue. 
>> My parents are Kurdish and immigrated from Turkey.
>> I was taught German at school.
>> My job is in English.
>> 
>> The bottom line is that I can manage Turkish, one dialect of Kurdish, French 
>> and English. I am not fluent in German.
>> 
>> I am a citizen of the world with my heart anchored in the USA. 
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Wes Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> What other languages do you know?  What is your first?  Just wondering.  
>>> Thanks.
>>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Emrah wrote:
>>> 
 Guys,
 
 For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me misspelled 
 words when I read emails, not just when composing.
 
 I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite greeting... 
 I don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I think we should 
 dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some emails on the list are 
 really creepy!
 
 Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not 
 talking about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people 
 that sound like native American / English and do not review their emails 
 before sending. English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent 
 and use the right punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text 
 to speech!
 
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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Louie P. (Pete) Nalda]

I think part of the problem is these silly smartphones without physical 
keyboards.  That's what I was using today when I hit the letter y instead of 
the letter t.  Android doesn't even have the decency to tell you that you've 
misspelled a word.  On top of that, going back to edit is like looking for a 
needle in a haystack.  It's why I promptly corrected myself when Ricardo asked 
me to repeat what I'd written.  I don't know if IOS handles this any better, as 
my IPad is in the shop, but I'd venture a bet it does.  Another problem is 
speech to text, which I've heard a lot of visually impaired users saying they 
like to use.  Even if using Zoom only in Mac OS, you get a nice red line if you 
type something misspelled.  So, I don't know, on my part, I don't judge too 
critically when I see typing errors. Your milage may very.

On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Can we return to her original request?  I agree.  to speak frankly, not only 
> is it that some people do not bother to spell check; but also, that they are 
> thinking way ahead of what they're typing.  As a result, they don't pay 
> attention to the letters they are pressing on the keyboard.  That makes for 
> just plain sloppy writing, and, sometimes, you can't even read the message 
> because the typing itself is inexcusably bad.  Lucky this isn't one of those 
> English grammar lists where one single space or letter or punctuation mark 
> out of place and the moderator throws you off the list.  I've never been on 
> or read from such a list; but, I'm told they do exist.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Wes Smith wrote:
> 
>> Whoa!
>> You.  ARe.  SMART
>> I'm not sure I could do that!!  :)On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Emrah wrote:
>> 
>>> I was born in French speaking Switzerland, so French is my mother tongue. 
>>> My parents are Kurdish and immigrated from Turkey.
>>> I was taught German at school.
>>> My job is in English.
>>> 
>>> The bottom line is that I can manage Turkish, one dialect of Kurdish, 
>>> French and English. I am not fluent in German.
>>> 
>>> I am a citizen of the world with my heart anchored in the USA. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Wes Smith wrote:
>>> 
 What other languages do you know?  What is your first?  Just wondering.  
 Thanks.
 On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Emrah wrote:
 
> Guys,
> 
> For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me 
> misspelled words when I read emails, not just when composing.
> 
> I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite 
> greeting... I don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I 
> think we should dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some 
> emails on the list are really creepy!
> 
> Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not 
> talking about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people 
> that sound like native American / English and do not review their emails 
> before sending. English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent 
> and use the right punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text 
> to speech!
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: A little spellcheck before pressing send please?

[Emrah]

Ray,

Just to rectify, it's his and not her.

My name has caused me issues that are less fun than this. :)

Best,
Emrah
On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Can we return to her original request?  I agree.  to speak frankly, not only 
> is it that some people do not bother to spell check; but also, that they are 
> thinking way ahead of what they're typing.  As a result, they don't pay 
> attention to the letters they are pressing on the keyboard.  That makes for 
> just plain sloppy writing, and, sometimes, you can't even read the message 
> because the typing itself is inexcusably bad.  Lucky this isn't one of those 
> English grammar lists where one single space or letter or punctuation mark 
> out of place and the moderator throws you off the list.  I've never been on 
> or read from such a list; but, I'm told they do exist.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Wes Smith wrote:
> 
>> Whoa!
>> You.  ARe.  SMART
>> I'm not sure I could do that!!  :)On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Emrah wrote:
>> 
>>> I was born in French speaking Switzerland, so French is my mother tongue. 
>>> My parents are Kurdish and immigrated from Turkey.
>>> I was taught German at school.
>>> My job is in English.
>>> 
>>> The bottom line is that I can manage Turkish, one dialect of Kurdish, 
>>> French and English. I am not fluent in German.
>>> 
>>> I am a citizen of the world with my heart anchored in the USA. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Wes Smith wrote:
>>> 
 What other languages do you know?  What is your first?  Just wondering.  
 Thanks.
 On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Emrah wrote:
 
> Guys,
> 
> For some reason, ever since I upgraded to Lion, VO announces me 
> misspelled words when I read emails, not just when composing.
> 
> I guess it's ok not to always start with some sort of a polite 
> greeting... I don't always do it when replying to messages. However, I 
> think we should dedicate a bit more attention to our spelling. Some 
> emails on the list are really creepy!
> 
> Please make a little effort to improve your spelling please. I am not 
> talking about people with English difficulties. I am referring to people 
> that sound like native American / English and do not review their emails 
> before sending. English is my 4th language and I do try to sound coherent 
> and use the right punctuation. It looks and plays nicer when using a text 
> to speech!
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: managing mail on the IPhone.

[Alex Hall]

I just googled this. To get a delete button:
1. Go to settings, then mail, contacts, calendars, and double tap your
gmail account.
2. Find the switch button called "archive messages". Double tap it to
turn it off.
3. Now, in mail, that archive button will be delete, and messages you
select for deletion will go to the trash folder.
4. While you're in here, check out the other options. Use the "check
for mail" to select when mail gets updated, and so on. There is a mail
preview option, which shows part of the message on the screen. It
isn't accessible (vo just skips it) so turn this off if you want to
fit more messages on each page.

I'm really glad you asked this, because I never knew about it. I no
longer have to go through three steps to trash messages, it's a quick
double tap! Thanks.

On 3/2/12, Jessica  wrote:
> Oh wow, thanx so much for those, I thought I was going to lose it if this
> kept up lol.  I love my IPhone, but some of the layout's are hard to get
> used to at the same time, especially considering the fact that there aren't
> any context menu's like the Windows mobile phones I've been used to using
> for years, which in most cases, I actually like a lot better, because
> everything I need is in plain view and easier to find, but wasn't so easy
> this time.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Eric Caron
>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:20 PM
>   Subject: Re: managing mail on the IPhone.
>
>
>   Hi Jessica,
>
>
>   this is not a area I   use a lot, as once I got it working I never touched
> the settings again.  But, I can offer a few general tips and hopefully
> others can provide you more detailed help.
>
>
>   First, I remember when I first started using my Google account on the
> iPhone there was no delete button.  You have a archive button instead.  Use
> that as you would delete and don't move things to trash.  Someone else will
> need to chime in on how to get the delete button to show up, that is if you
> want it to.  some people prefer the Archive button.
>
>
>   In settings you can change the mail behavior for downloading messages.  I
> have mine set up to only download when I open Mail.  this will give you the
> behavior you want.  Again a better expert can walk you through the settings
> but if you look under settings then mail, you should find it.
>
>
>   Hope this info helps a little.
>
>
>   eric Caron
>
>
>   On Mar 2, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Jessica wrote:
>
>
> I just tried using my Gmail acount on my IPhone, and everything seemed
> to be going fairly well, until I started realizing that first of all, I
> wasn't sure if the "move," command was actually deleting my messages, sense
> I don't see a button to delete them, so I just told it to move them to my
> trash folder.  Then next thing I knew, it was downloading them faster than I
> could move them, and I can't find an option to make this stop, which is
> eating away at my battery and cluttering up my phone, and I don't want my
> mail to automaticly download anyway, sense my e-mail isn't my whole life
> lol.
>   So with that being said, can anyone help with this?
> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a
> good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then
> come check out Tmi wireless!
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Re: Mac Book Air & cooling fan?

[Garth Humphreys]

I think the heat comes from the processor rather than the disc drive. The thing 
is that there is very little space in the air so you feeall the heat coming 
straight through the body. It probably uses the case as a sort of heat sink.

Garth 
Sent from my iPhone

On 02/03/2012, at 12:33 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> I must say I'm surprised.  I figured the MBA would run cooler since its using 
> a SSD.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Garth Humphreys  wrote:
> 
>> Hi 
>> 
>> I must admit to being surprised at just how hot my MBA gets at times. It can 
>> put out a lot of heat. I am not concerned about this but it has made me go 
>> looking for the perfect hard tray to place it on when it bed etc. I find you 
>> definitely need something to put it on so that there is good air flow. 
>> 
>> It has a heat sensor which will shut it off if it gets so hot that the heat 
>> would cause any damage so I wouldn't worry about the fan kicking in. Having 
>> said This, one thing that will shorten the life span of these rechargeable 
>> batteries is heat so always make sure you allow for good air flow. 
>> 
>> Garth 
>> @BlindTechMusing
>> 
>> On 02/03/2012, at 9:09 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Traci wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all, I still consider myself new to the whole Mac experience.
 
 I was just watching a tv show via Netflix, and my Macbook Air's fan kicked 
 in big time.
 
 1. Is this normal?
 Answer: Sure., absolutely normal...
 2. If so, will it damage the Mac while watching a tv show or movie?
 Answer: No, not at all
 3 Is it possible the MBA isn't meant for movie watching?
>>> Answer: It sounds like it is working just fine and movies should never be 
>>> an issue.
>>> 
 
 Lol, maybe the Mac doesn't like silverlight.
 
 Thanks everyone,
 Traci
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Re: if interaction went away

[Garth Humphreys]

All the interacting in iTunes can be annoying at times. But overall I like the 
interaction model. Ricardo if you ever find yourself using iTunes on windows 
try the F6. It jumps you past some of that tabbinghell.   

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> I've never used Itunes on Windows, but I will say I find it no end irritating 
> to have to interact with a group just to find out of a checkbox is checked or 
> not in the books table. Or I have to interact with a group just to go to the 
> link for an item in the app store or go to a book title in the app store. 
> That's a lot of clicking just to get access to a link. and then there are the 
> listen links in itunes album tables. It isn't good enough just to focus on 
> the link. You have to interact with it to click it. It didn't use to be that 
> way with the checkboxes. I wish they'd put it back the way it use to be. 
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
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