Re: Exercise iFor Keyboard Commander

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there!
If you arrow right passed the sidebar you should come to a file field interact 
with it and you should fined all the apps there!
Just pick text edit and stop interacting and arrow right to the OK button!
And if your reading this Ricardo could we have a different way of navigating 
that part!
Because when I open mine it sounds the same lay out as Brian says for his!
Colin

On 9 Jan 2012, at 01:25, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Yup.
> 
> I understood you.  You ran into problems after you select the key you wanted 
> to use, and after you chose open application under custom, correct?  Then the 
> file browser to chose the application you want opened appeared.  The 
> instructions I gave, was to find the app you want associated the the keyboard 
> command.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Brian Albriton wrote:
> 
>> Hey, Ricardo. Looking back at my earlier message makes me think it
>> wasn't that clear.
>> I opened voice over utility with vo-f8 and selected commanders.
>> In commanders I selected the keyboard tab. I'm attempting to add a
>> keystroke that would open an application with the right option key
>> plus another key. The right option key I've already enabled. There's a
>> keystroke already set to read time and date for instance.
>> Brian
>> 
>> On 1/8/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When the file browser opens, just press command shift A like when you want
>>> to go to the applications folder on your finder.  Then arrow down or, press
>>> the first let of the app you want to jump to it in the list.
>>> 
>>> BTW, when the file browser opens, it should already be in the app list.  all
>>> you should have to do is press the down arrow to go through the apps on your
>>> machine.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Brian Albriton wrote:
>>> 
 I open the commander tabnavigate to the add button and press W, the
 letter I want to launch the word processor.
 I navigate to the menu button, activate it, and from that menu
 activate the custom option. I press vo-space to launch the open
 application dialog. nAt this point I'm not finding the application
 list table. There is a sidebar table which has applications in focus
 but I'm not finding the list applications. The one I'd like to locate
 once I find the applications table is text edit.
 Brian
 
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Zoom on the Mac, was: Switching to a Mac from PC

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mark,

This is not first hand experience as I'm totally blind, but my husband teaches 
low-vision people to use the Mac, and most of his clients use VisioVoice from 
Assistiveware to give them the combination of colours that suits their eyesight.

This application is far from free, but it might provide what you need. Have a 
look at:
www.assistiveware.com

Cheers,

Anne


On 9 Jan 2012, at 06:25, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> No, I think it's all been covered; however, I will say that, some how,
> cursor tracking feels smoother or more seamless with Zoomtext.
> 
> I think the biggest thing I like about using Windows over the Mac in Zoom
> mode is the ability to truly customize color schemes.  
> 
> I have all but begged Apple to give users, sighted or low-vision the ability
> to truly customize the OS color scheme.  Simply reversing colors is not good
> enough for long-term use of Zoom, in my opinion.  
> 
> The truth is, I only need the editable text font and background reversed,
> not the entire desktop or window elements.  Reversing every color on the
> desktop can sometimes make navigation more difficult and it looks terrible
> especially when the reverse-colored screen saver kicks in.  
> 
> Mark 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louie P. (Pete) Nalda
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 9:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
> 
> Just out of curiosity, can you name other areas of superiority of ZoomText
> over Zoom besides what I've mentioned?  And do you think maybe these extra
> features add to the instability problems the OP mentions?  I'm just curious,
> as Zoom does seem to run very flawlessly on the mac, limitations aside. And
> you don't have to pay $150 for upgrades every time the browser or OS is
> updated (I'm only stating what the Original poster said earlier).  I think
> knowing what features ZT has that people want could help the folks at apple
> know how they can best improve Zoom.  Myself, I never really miss the
> features I had with ZT and Windows.  I get very close using Zoom and VO
> together on my Mac.  Ymmv.
> 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:22 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I think I missed the genesis of this thread; but, as for zoom on the 
>> Mac versus Zoomtext for Windows, Zoomtext is far superior.  This truly 
>> saddens me as, were they equal or more closely matched, I would use my 
>> Mac even more than I currently do.
>> 
>> I have been lobbying AI Squared, the makers of Zoomtext, to port ZT 
>> over to the Mac.  I hope, someday, that it will.
>> 
>> I do not fault Apple for this as Apple is an OS developer where as AI
>> Squared is a screen magnification company.   I am certain that if Apple
> were
>> primarily a screen magnification company it would be the best on the
> planet.
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louie P. (Pete) 
>> Nalda
>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 6:34 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
>> 
>> Here are the main differences between ZoomText and Zoom on the Mac.  
>> Zoom on the mac doesn't offer windowed or partial screen magnification 
>> as ZoomText Does, though to It's benefit, it does offer several 
>> tracking options of how the screen moves with the pointer.  I use
> Continuous mode.  and of Course
>> there is keyboard tracking as well.   Like ZT, there is also font
> smoothing.
>> Zoom does not have the doc reader app, but will happily move along 
>> with VoiceOver as VO reads text.  Zoom can quickly change 
>> magnification with
>> ctrl+ 2 finger up/down on the trackpad, which I find is just as handy 
>> ctrl+ as
>> using the wheel on a mouse.
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2012, at 7:53 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi chuck,
>>> 
>>> I think people have missed the main point of your message and have 
>>> gone on
>> a tangent which isn't what you were asking.
>>> 
>>> Large (magnification) on the Mac is very good from my understanding. 
>>> You
>> can quickly change the size of the font. But I do not know what the 
>> feature differences between Zoomtext and Mac Magnification. Only think 
>> I do know is that it is very feature reach.
>>> 
>>> Web development and other like presentation tools under the Mac is 
>>> very
>> feature reach.
>>> On 04/01/2012, at 12:44 PM, Chuck wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini 
 in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice 
 over and zoom on the iPhone and iPad and I'm hoping that they 
 translate as well to the Mac Mini.
 
 I have a sighted friend who also says that the Mac is a little more 
 sluggish than the PC. I don't do any gaming, 90% of my computer uses 
 buying online, word processing, and w

Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks Tim.

I will look for that folder and do as you suggest.  Thanks for respomding to my 
message too.  If I have any problems you will all know!

Kawal.

On 9 Jan 2012, at 05:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
> complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you are 
> running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in your 
> Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder is what 
> iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use the files 
> between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud account, then 
> simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you wish accessed by 
> both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily accessed by each Mac 
> registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes to the file while it's 
> in that folder and it will more or less instantly be changed within iCloud 
> and thus changed on your other Mac.
> 
> Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
> Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
> types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides in 
> the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into mobile 
> Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any other 
> iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The translation 
> process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  So, you'll need 
> to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that document unless you 
> physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it from the Source List 
> and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the apps that share 
> documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the iOS version of the 
> document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable format.
> 
> If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back into 
> iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  I, 
> primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my documents are 
> always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are things like 
> christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out and about away 
> from a Mac.
> 
> Hope this helps and is clear enough.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at once 
>> but have had no response yet.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and onto 
>>> other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there but I 
>>> don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my iDisk, or 
>>> in another folder.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
>>> world!
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Which of the two Mac Minis is best for media applications?

[Scott Howell]

If you are looking for something to basically play movies and the like on a TV, 
then either would be more than adequate. If your looking for something to do 
video editing I'm not sure either would be the way to go. WHen I say video 
editing I am referring to actual video production work where horsepower, lots 
of ram, and drive space is necessary.

On Jan 8, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Hello listers,
> Wanted to probe for your opinion regarding the two Mac Mini computers below 
> as far as media applications are concerned.
> First is the 2.5GHZ dual-core Intel I5 (can be configured to I7). Its 
> built-in SATA drives can also be exchanged for solid-state drives if desired.
> Second is the 2.0GHZ quad-core Intel I7, aka Mac Mini Server, which can also 
> be configured to include solid-state drives instead of the built-in SATA ones.
> Both machines have 4GB of RAM.
> 
> Which of the two configurations do you thin would be best for media 
> applications?
> 
> Thanks for any opinions.
> Best,
> Vic
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Re: Copy to a flash drive from terminal

[Scott Howell]

Dan,

You are on the right track and you would look for the attached drive in 
/Volumes. So, you might have a drive named Dan and thus the copy action would 
be:
cp foo.bar /Volumes/Dan.

hth,

On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:45 PM, .dan. wrote:

> 
> How does one identify the name of an attached flash drive when in terminal? I 
> assume that to copy files to it the usual copy command with the name of the 
> drive as destination will do it.
> 
> If you could provide an example command using a dummy drive name it would be 
> helpful. Please add information and correction as needed.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>   XB
>IC|XC
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Re: Which of the two Mac Minis is best for media applications?

[Eric Oyen]

mac mini I7, 8 GB or more ram, SSD HDD greater than 250GB. that i7 needs to 
have 4 cores at least. I used to do some video work and about the only systems 
I had experience with were linux machines or a top of the line mac. I tried 
this on a windows box and got so frustrated with how long a 2 hour video would 
take to render, that I gave up on it. 

-eric

On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:20 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> If you are looking for something to basically play movies and the like on a 
> TV, then either would be more than adequate. If your looking for something to 
> do video editing I'm not sure either would be the way to go. WHen I say video 
> editing I am referring to actual video production work where horsepower, lots 
> of ram, and drive space is necessary.
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> 
>> Hello listers,
>> Wanted to probe for your opinion regarding the two Mac Mini computers below 
>> as far as media applications are concerned.
>> First is the 2.5GHZ dual-core Intel I5 (can be configured to I7). Its 
>> built-in SATA drives can also be exchanged for solid-state drives if desired.
>> Second is the 2.0GHZ quad-core Intel I7, aka Mac Mini Server, which can also 
>> be configured to include solid-state drives instead of the built-in SATA 
>> ones.
>> Both machines have 4GB of RAM.
>> 
>> Which of the two configurations do you thin would be best for media 
>> applications?
>> 
>> Thanks for any opinions.
>> Best,
>> Vic
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RE: Zoom on the Mac, was: Switching to a Mac from PC

[Frank Ventura]

Ann, does that company have any US dealers and/or a US support network?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 3:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Zoom on the Mac, was: Switching to a Mac from PC

Hello Mark,

This is not first hand experience as I'm totally blind, but my husband teaches 
low-vision people to use the Mac, and most of his clients use VisioVoice from 
Assistiveware to give them the combination of colours that suits their eyesight.

This application is far from free, but it might provide what you need. Have a 
look at:
www.assistiveware.com

Cheers,

Anne


On 9 Jan 2012, at 06:25, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello,
>
> No, I think it's all been covered; however, I will say that, some how,
> cursor tracking feels smoother or more seamless with Zoomtext.
>
> I think the biggest thing I like about using Windows over the Mac in
> Zoom mode is the ability to truly customize color schemes.
>
> I have all but begged Apple to give users, sighted or low-vision the
> ability to truly customize the OS color scheme.  Simply reversing
> colors is not good enough for long-term use of Zoom, in my opinion.
>
> The truth is, I only need the editable text font and background
> reversed, not the entire desktop or window elements.  Reversing every
> color on the desktop can sometimes make navigation more difficult and
> it looks terrible especially when the reverse-colored screen saver kicks in.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louie P. (Pete)
> Nalda
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 9:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
>
> Just out of curiosity, can you name other areas of superiority of
> ZoomText over Zoom besides what I've mentioned?  And do you think
> maybe these extra features add to the instability problems the OP
> mentions?  I'm just curious, as Zoom does seem to run very flawlessly
> on the mac, limitations aside. And you don't have to pay $150 for
> upgrades every time the browser or OS is updated (I'm only stating
> what the Original poster said earlier).  I think knowing what features
> ZT has that people want could help the folks at apple know how they
> can best improve Zoom.  Myself, I never really miss the features I had
> with ZT and Windows.  I get very close using Zoom and VO together on my Mac.  
> Ymmv.
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:22 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I think I missed the genesis of this thread; but, as for zoom on the
>> Mac versus Zoomtext for Windows, Zoomtext is far superior.  This
>> truly saddens me as, were they equal or more closely matched, I would
>> use my Mac even more than I currently do.
>>
>> I have been lobbying AI Squared, the makers of Zoomtext, to port ZT
>> over to the Mac.  I hope, someday, that it will.
>>
>> I do not fault Apple for this as Apple is an OS developer where as AI
>> Squared is a screen magnification company.   I am certain that if Apple
> were
>> primarily a screen magnification company it would be the best on the
> planet.
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louie P. (Pete)
>> Nalda
>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 6:34 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
>>
>> Here are the main differences between ZoomText and Zoom on the Mac.
>> Zoom on the mac doesn't offer windowed or partial screen
>> magnification as ZoomText Does, though to It's benefit, it does offer
>> several tracking options of how the screen moves with the pointer.  I
>> use
> Continuous mode.  and of Course
>> there is keyboard tracking as well.   Like ZT, there is also font
> smoothing.
>> Zoom does not have the doc reader app, but will happily move along
>> with VoiceOver as VO reads text.  Zoom can quickly change
>> magnification with
>> ctrl+ 2 finger up/down on the trackpad, which I find is just as handy
>> ctrl+ as
>> using the wheel on a mouse.
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2012, at 7:53 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> Hi chuck,
>>>
>>> I think people have missed the main point of your message and have
>>> gone on
>> a tangent which isn't what you were asking.
>>>
>>> Large (magnification) on the Mac is very good from my understanding.
>>> You
>> can quickly change the size of the font. But I do not know what the
>> feature differences between Zoomtext and Mac Magnification. Only
>> think I do know is that it is very feature reach.
>>>
>>> Web development and other like presentation tools under the Mac is
>>> very
>> feature reach.
>>> On 04/01/2012, at 12:44 PM, Chuck wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini
 in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice
 

Re: Zoom on the Mac, was: Switching to a Mac from PC

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Frank,
On 9 Jan 2012, at 12:41, Frank Ventura wrote:

> does that company have any US dealers and/or a US support network?
> 
I believe so. However, I haven't got the information. Try contacting them 
through the website, they're very helpful.

Cheers,

Anne


> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 3:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Zoom on the Mac, was: Switching to a Mac from PC
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> This is not first hand experience as I'm totally blind, but my husband 
> teaches low-vision people to use the Mac, and most of his clients use 
> VisioVoice from Assistiveware to give them the combination of colours that 
> suits their eyesight.
> 
> This application is far from free, but it might provide what you need. Have a 
> look at:
> www.assistiveware.com
> 
> Cheers,
> 

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Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[erik burggraaf]

I would be happy if they would simply open up the speech API so that all apps 
could use open synthesizers.  Then we could make voiceover use loquendo and 
acapella which are already available for the IPhone.  This seems the simplest 
way to go.  Open up the API and if some one really wants elloquence for the 
IPhone, let them develop and use it.

Ah, but no.


Erik Burggraaf
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On 2012-01-09, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
>  
> I don’t think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users, cannot 
> convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes instead of 
> the “one-size-fits-all” reverse color technique, I doubt if they are going to 
> implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
>  
> I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
>  
> Mark
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfBlake Sinnett
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence
>  
> Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time ago 
> about getting it on the iPhone.
>  
> > Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
> > Eloquence
> > From: mk...@ucla.edu
> > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > 
> > I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would love 
> > nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my 
> > iPhone.
> > 
> > Mark
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi listers,
> > > 
> > > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
> > > 
> > > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always been 
> > > my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read) 
> > > thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The 
> > > intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out 
> > > there, it knew how to tone the exclamations.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run Eloquence 
> > > on your Mac? 
> > > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
> > > 
> > > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
> > > 
> > > I am sure it could be done…
> > > 
> > > All the best,
> > > E
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Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Emrah]

Hey all,

Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.

Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over there 
who know about its existence.

I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and 
licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email 
correspondence.
If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a little 
fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an 
independent port.

What do you think?

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On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
>  
> I don’t think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users, cannot 
> convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes instead of 
> the “one-size-fits-all” reverse color technique, I doubt if they are going to 
> implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
>  
> I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
>  
> Mark
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence
>  
> Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time ago 
> about getting it on the iPhone.
>  
> > Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
> > Eloquence
> > From: mk...@ucla.edu
> > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > 
> > I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would love 
> > nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my 
> > iPhone.
> > 
> > Mark
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi listers,
> > > 
> > > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
> > > 
> > > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always been 
> > > my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read) 
> > > thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The 
> > > intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out 
> > > there, it knew how to tone the exclamations.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run Eloquence 
> > > on your Mac? 
> > > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
> > > 
> > > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
> > > 
> > > I am sure it could be done…
> > > 
> > > All the best,
> > > E
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Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Emrah]

Well guys, I don't think it's going to happen on iOS devices unfortunately, but 
I think there is a will and a way for it to happen on the Mac.

The only way I see it happening on iOS would be through a Jailbreak and I'm not 
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On Jan 9, 2012, at 7:14 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> I would be happy if they would simply open up the speech API so that all apps 
> could use open synthesizers.  Then we could make voiceover use loquendo and 
> acapella which are already available for the IPhone.  This seems the simplest 
> way to go.  Open up the API and if some one really wants elloquence for the 
> IPhone, let them develop and use it.
> 
> Ah, but no.
> 
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2012-01-09, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
>>  
>> I don’t think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users, 
>> cannot convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes 
>> instead of the “one-size-fits-all” reverse color technique, I doubt if they 
>> are going to implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
>>  
>> I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
>>  
>> Mark
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfBlake Sinnett
>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>> Eloquence
>>  
>> Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time ago 
>> about getting it on the iPhone.
>>  
>> > Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>> > Eloquence
>> > From: mk...@ucla.edu
>> > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
>> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> > 
>> > I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would love 
>> > nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my 
>> > iPhone.
>> > 
>> > Mark
>> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Hi listers,
>> > > 
>> > > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
>> > > 
>> > > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always 
>> > > been my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read) 
>> > > thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The 
>> > > intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out 
>> > > there, it knew how to tone the exclamations.
>> > > 
>> > > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run 
>> > > Eloquence on your Mac? 
>> > > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
>> > > 
>> > > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
>> > > 
>> > > I am sure it could be done…
>> > > 
>> > > All the best,
>> > > E
>> > > 
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Re: just made a strange but interesting request to a dps plugin developer

[Emrah]

Hello,

The flanger is applied to a human voice, not a voice synthesizer, unfortunately.

I think the Nuance voices are a pretty good deal and rather advanced... I just 
regret that none of the voices on the Mac are able to provide a suitable 
intonation for exclamations.

E
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On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

> I've mailed a request to a Digital processing plugin that works system wide 
> on the mac to make a little feature available. I'm beta testing so not able 
> to divulge anything, but here goes my request:
> 
> Have you heard Jarvis, the intelligent OS in the Iron man movies? Everyone is 
> going crazy for that voice, just chekc youtube or google and you will see 
> what i mean.
> 
> That system is actually pretty easy to emulate, it's just a phaser filter 
> above a synthetic voice.
> 
> So i asked the developper to provide a filter feature alongside the eq. 
> Hopefully the idea catches some minds, as we are steadily moving into the 
> speech recognition era, and honestly, nuance voices just don't cut it for me. 
> How about you?
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Yuma 
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RE: Zoom on the Mac, was: Switching to a Mac from PC

[Frank Ventura]

Thanks, I will shoot them an email. Appreciate that.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Zoom on the Mac, was: Switching to a Mac from PC

Hello Frank,
On 9 Jan 2012, at 12:41, Frank Ventura wrote:

> does that company have any US dealers and/or a US support network?
> 
I believe so. However, I haven't got the information. Try contacting them 
through the website, they're very helpful.

Cheers,

Anne


> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 3:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Zoom on the Mac, was: Switching to a Mac from PC
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> This is not first hand experience as I'm totally blind, but my husband 
> teaches low-vision people to use the Mac, and most of his clients use 
> VisioVoice from Assistiveware to give them the combination of colours that 
> suits their eyesight.
> 
> This application is far from free, but it might provide what you need. Have a 
> look at:
> www.assistiveware.com
> 
> Cheers,
> 

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RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Bill Holton]

Count me in.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence

 

Hey all,

 

Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.

 

Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over there
who know about its existence.

 

I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and
licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email
correspondence.

If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a
little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an
independent port.

 

What do you think?

 

E

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On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:





Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.

 

I don't think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users,
cannot convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes
instead of the "one-size-fits-all" reverse color technique, I doubt if they
are going to implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 

 

I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence

 

Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time ago
about getting it on the iPhone.
 

> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence
> From: mk...@ucla.edu
> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would love
nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my
iPhone.
> 
> Mark
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
> 
> > Hi listers,
> > 
> > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
> > 
> > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always
been my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read)
thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The
intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out there,
it knew how to tone the exclamations.
> > 
> > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run
Eloquence on your Mac? 
> > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
> > 
> > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
> > 
> > I am sure it could be done.
> > 
> > All the best,
> > E
> > 
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Re: Copy to a flash drive from terminal

[Emrah]

You can list all your attached / mounted volumes by typing the following 
command in Terminal:
ls /Volumes/

Make sure you either use an escape character or put your destination volume in 
between quotes if your destination volume name contains spaces.
On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Dan,
> 
> You are on the right track and you would look for the attached drive in 
> /Volumes. So, you might have a drive named Dan and thus the copy action would 
> be:
> cp foo.bar /Volumes/Dan.
> 
> hth,
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:45 PM, .dan. wrote:
> 
>> 
>> How does one identify the name of an attached flash drive when in terminal? 
>> I assume that to copy files to it the usual copy command with the name of 
>> the drive as destination will do it.
>> 
>> If you could provide an example command using a dummy drive name it would be 
>> helpful. Please add information and correction as needed.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  XB
>>   IC|XC
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RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

 

What's wrong with Alex? I find him vastly superior to eloquence, actually.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence

 

Count me in.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence

 

Hey all,

 

Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.

 

Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over there
who know about its existence.

 

I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and
licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email
correspondence.

If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a
little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an
independent port.

 

What do you think?

 

E

--

Emrah

"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."
Albert Einstein

 

On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

 

Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.

 

I don't think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users,
cannot convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes
instead of the "one-size-fits-all" reverse color technique, I doubt if they
are going to implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 

 

I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence

 

Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time ago
about getting it on the iPhone.
 

> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence
> From: mk...@ucla.edu
> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would love
nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my
iPhone.
> 
> Mark
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
> 
> > Hi listers,
> > 
> > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
> > 
> > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always
been my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read)
thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The
intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out there,
it knew how to tone the exclamations.
> > 
> > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run
Eloquence on your Mac? 
> > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
> > 
> > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
> > 
> > I am sure it could be done.
> > 
> > All the best,
> > E
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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Tim. I see numbers in the list of apps that can share data. Once I choose 
numbers, How do I view the documents on my IPhone from the MAC?
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
> complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you are 
> running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in your 
> Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder is what 
> iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use the files 
> between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud account, then 
> simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you wish accessed by 
> both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily accessed by each Mac 
> registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes to the file while it's 
> in that folder and it will more or less instantly be changed within iCloud 
> and thus changed on your other Mac.
> 
> Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
> Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
> types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides in 
> the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into mobile 
> Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any other 
> iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The translation 
> process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  So, you'll need 
> to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that document unless you 
> physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it from the Source List 
> and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the apps that share 
> documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the iOS version of the 
> document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable format.
> 
> If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back into 
> iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  I, 
> primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my documents are 
> always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are things like 
> christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out and about away 
> from a Mac.
> 
> Hope this helps and is clear enough.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at once 
>> but have had no response yet.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and onto 
>>> other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there but I 
>>> don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my iDisk, or 
>>> in another folder.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
>>> world!
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I do not like Alex very much and although I am not a fan of Jaws because of the 
loss of lives an copy protection, am use to the excellent voice of eloquence om 
it as people point out the expressions are said just right.

On 9 Jan 2012, at 03:13 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> What’s wrong with Alex? I find him vastly superior to eloquence, actually.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence
>  
> Count me in.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence
>  
> Hey all,
>  
> Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.
>  
> Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over there 
> who know about its existence.
>  
> I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and 
> licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email 
> correspondence.
> If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a 
> little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an 
> independent port.
>  
> What do you think?
>  
> E
> --
> Emrah
> 
> “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” 
> Albert Einstein
>  
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>  
> 
> Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
>  
> I don’t think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users, cannot 
> convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes instead of 
> the “one-size-fits-all” reverse color technique, I doubt if they are going to 
> implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
>  
> I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
>  
> Mark
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence
>  
> Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time ago 
> about getting it on the iPhone.
>  
> > Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
> > Eloquence
> > From: mk...@ucla.edu
> > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > 
> > I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would love 
> > nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my 
> > iPhone.
> > 
> > Mark
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi listers,
> > > 
> > > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
> > > 
> > > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always been 
> > > my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read) 
> > > thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The 
> > > intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out 
> > > there, it knew how to tone the exclamations.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run Eloquence 
> > > on your Mac? 
> > > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
> > > 
> > > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
> > > 
> > > I am sure it could be done…
> > > 
> > > All the best,
> > > E
> > > 
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Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Mr. L. Alexander]

what loss of lives? am I missing something here?

lew

On 9 Jan 2012, at 15:23, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> I do not like Alex very much and although I am not a fan of Jaws because of 
> the loss of lives an copy protection, am use to the excellent voice of 
> eloquence om it as people point out the expressions are said just right.
> 
> On 9 Jan 2012, at 03:13 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> What’s wrong with Alex? I find him vastly superior to eloquence, actually.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>> Eloquence
>>  
>> Count me in.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>> Eloquence
>>  
>> Hey all,
>>  
>> Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.
>>  
>> Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over there 
>> who know about its existence.
>>  
>> I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and 
>> licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email 
>> correspondence.
>> If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a 
>> little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an 
>> independent port.
>>  
>> What do you think?
>>  
>> E
>> --
>> Emrah
>> 
>> “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” 
>> Albert Einstein
>>  
>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
>>  
>> I don’t think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users, 
>> cannot convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes 
>> instead of the “one-size-fits-all” reverse color technique, I doubt if they 
>> are going to implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
>>  
>> I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
>>  
>> Mark
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>> Eloquence
>>  
>> Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time ago 
>> about getting it on the iPhone.
>>  
>> > Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>> > Eloquence
>> > From: mk...@ucla.edu
>> > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
>> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> > 
>> > I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would love 
>> > nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my 
>> > iPhone.
>> > 
>> > Mark
>> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Hi listers,
>> > > 
>> > > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
>> > > 
>> > > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always 
>> > > been my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read) 
>> > > thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The 
>> > > intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out 
>> > > there, it knew how to tone the exclamations.
>> > > 
>> > > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run 
>> > > Eloquence on your Mac? 
>> > > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
>> > > 
>> > > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
>> > > 
>> > > I am sure it could be done…
>> > > 
>> > > All the best,
>> > > E
>> > > 
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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Tim. I don't see the mobile documents folder on my mac. Can you tell me 
exactly how to access it?

Thanks so much.
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
> complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you are 
> running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in your 
> Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder is what 
> iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use the files 
> between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud account, then 
> simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you wish accessed by 
> both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily accessed by each Mac 
> registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes to the file while it's 
> in that folder and it will more or less instantly be changed within iCloud 
> and thus changed on your other Mac.
> 
> Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
> Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
> types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides in 
> the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into mobile 
> Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any other 
> iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The translation 
> process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  So, you'll need 
> to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that document unless you 
> physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it from the Source List 
> and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the apps that share 
> documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the iOS version of the 
> document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable format.
> 
> If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back into 
> iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  I, 
> primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my documents are 
> always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are things like 
> christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out and about away 
> from a Mac.
> 
> Hope this helps and is clear enough.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at once 
>> but have had no response yet.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and onto 
>>> other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there but I 
>>> don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my iDisk, or 
>>> in another folder.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
>>> world!
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Emrah]

Nothing is wrong with Alex, I like it very much too.
It's a matter of taste I guess.

I think I prefer Eloquence because it sounds like a pure generated voice with 
good inflections for different intonations. I never got tired of listening to 
Roco first, and then Read. (I might be misspelling their voice names though…)

For some reason, I have never been compelled to read large chunks of texts with 
any built in Mac OS voices… I love the user experience with Alex, but get 
quickly tired when it comes to listening to documents.

Please, for those who are interested in having a little skin in the game, send 
me an email directly off list. If licensing is affordable for the end user, , I 
would be happy to consider a small compensation plan to pay back the 
"investors", but I think the project should remain non-profit. If your opinion 
says otherwise though, we can reconsider it all for sure.

Moderators, I apologize if this may be drifting away from the original purpose 
of the list. Let me know and I can move this elsewhere. I do not intend to 
conduct the management of the project through the list, obviously. :)

Cheers,
Emrah
On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> What’s wrong with Alex? I find him vastly superior to eloquence, actually.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence
>  
> Count me in.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence
>  
> Hey all,
>  
> Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.
>  
> Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over there 
> who know about its existence.
>  
> I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and 
> licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email 
> correspondence.
> If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a 
> little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an 
> independent port.
>  
> What do you think?
>  
> E
> --
> Emrah
> 
> “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” 
> Albert Einstein
>  
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>  
> 
> Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
>  
> I don’t think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users, cannot 
> convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes instead of 
> the “one-size-fits-all” reverse color technique, I doubt if they are going to 
> implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
>  
> I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
>  
> Mark
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence
>  
> Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time ago 
> about getting it on the iPhone.
>  
> > Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
> > Eloquence
> > From: mk...@ucla.edu
> > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > 
> > I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would love 
> > nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my 
> > iPhone.
> > 
> > Mark
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi listers,
> > > 
> > > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
> > > 
> > > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always been 
> > > my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read) 
> > > thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The 
> > > intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out 
> > > there, it knew how to tone the exclamations.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run Eloquence 
> > > on your Mac? 
> > > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
> > > 
> > > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
> > > 
> > > I am sure it could be done…
> > > 
> > > All the best,
> > > E
> > > 
> > > -- 
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Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Emrah]

Yeah, what do you mean by loss of lives?

E
On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:

> what loss of lives? am I missing something here?
> 
> lew
> 
> On 9 Jan 2012, at 15:23, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I do not like Alex very much and although I am not a fan of Jaws because of 
>> the loss of lives an copy protection, am use to the excellent voice of 
>> eloquence om it as people point out the expressions are said just right.
>> 
>> On 9 Jan 2012, at 03:13 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> What’s wrong with Alex? I find him vastly superior to eloquence, actually.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:55 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>>> Eloquence
>>>  
>>> Count me in.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>>> Eloquence
>>>  
>>> Hey all,
>>>  
>>> Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.
>>>  
>>> Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over 
>>> there who know about its existence.
>>>  
>>> I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and 
>>> licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email 
>>> correspondence.
>>> If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a 
>>> little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an 
>>> independent port.
>>>  
>>> What do you think?
>>>  
>>> E
>>> --
>>> Emrah
>>> 
>>> “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” 
>>> Albert Einstein
>>>  
>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
>>>  
>>> I don’t think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users, 
>>> cannot convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes 
>>> instead of the “one-size-fits-all” reverse color technique, I doubt if they 
>>> are going to implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
>>>  
>>> I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>>> Eloquence
>>>  
>>> Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time ago 
>>> about getting it on the iPhone.
>>>  
>>> > Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>>> > Eloquence
>>> > From: mk...@ucla.edu
>>> > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
>>> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> > 
>>> > I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would love 
>>> > nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my 
>>> > iPhone.
>>> > 
>>> > Mark
>>> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > > Hi listers,
>>> > > 
>>> > > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
>>> > > 
>>> > > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always 
>>> > > been my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read) 
>>> > > thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The 
>>> > > intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out 
>>> > > there, it knew how to tone the exclamations.
>>> > > 
>>> > > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run 
>>> > > Eloquence on your Mac? 
>>> > > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
>>> > > 
>>> > > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
>>> > > 
>>> > > I am sure it could be done…
>>> > > 
>>> > > All the best,
>>> > > E
>>> > > 
>>> > > -- 
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Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Emrah]

Hey Rose,

Not an issue at all, and please accept my apologies for probably over reacting.
It's just that nowadays, it feels like people are "policing" each other too 
much. People seem to hear illegal in anything and everything…
You may remember it from a post made not long ago, where someone was 
complaining about the illegal nature of an advice. Nothing in the suggestion 
was pointing to an illegal route. 

I hope nobody is constantly sitting on springers, waiting to catch illegal 
vibes out of mailing lists… Man that must hurt. :)

All the best to you and thanks for taking the time to reply to my post.
E
On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Rose Morales wrote:

> Emrah,
> I did not jump to conclusions, and I'm sorry if you feel I did. I simply 
> suggested that such talk might not be appropriate. I did not say that it 
> would indeed not be appropriate. I will confess to not having looked at your 
> link, but I am familiar with a Linux port of eloquence which I am pretty 
> positive was not legal. It was a long time ago, and perhaps this is not even 
> the same port. Now that we have established that you are intending to discuss 
> legal porting options, I will say no more on the subject and will also add 
> that I'd be more than happy to help with any such legal port if possible.
> 
> Have a lovely day,
> Rose
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
> 
>> it would be possible to do this form of work. all it would be a case of is 
>> exporting code and implementing a few changes to work with the mac speech 
>> engine support infrastructure. it would be legal as well as long as 
>> authorisation was granted from the developers. I know IBM are quite a 
>> willing company.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 8 Jan 2012, at 14:38, Emrah wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Rose,
>>> 
>>> Let's not jump to conclusions based on personal assumptions please. I never 
>>> expressed the intention of creating something illegal here.
>>> The link I gave for example points to an absolutely legal port of Viavoice 
>>> on Linux.
>>> 
>>> In this case, I think we should first determine whether it is technically 
>>> feasible or not. Wholesale licensing agreements can be negotiated afterward.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Emrah
>>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Rose Morales wrote:
>>> 
 Wouldn't something like that be illegal, given that Via Voice would get no 
 royalties for such a port, whether on Mac or Linux? In which case I don't 
 think said discussion would be appropriate for this list. If someone knows 
 of a legal port. please do tell us, as I'd love to have Eloquence on my 
 Mac. I personally haven't heard of such a port.
 
 On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
 
> Hi listers,
> 
> I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
> 
> The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always been 
> my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read) 
> thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The 
> intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out 
> there, it knew how to tone the exclamations.
> 
> Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run Eloquence 
> on your Mac? 
> Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
> 
> Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
> 
> I am sure it could be done…
> 
> All the best,
> E
> 
> -- 
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>> 
>> Mr. L. Alexander.
>> Free Macs For The Blind.
>> E-Mail: freemacsforthebl...@mac-access.net
>> Direct line: 07936 877500
>> Twitter: @macsfortheblind
>> 
>> Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working 
>> apple macs for blind and visually impaired people thro

Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

What loss of lives?  Count how many ILMS you can lose when something corrupts 
windows 7 unless you have a dongle then just because you have exceed your limit 
of three resets your count will not be reset for you because of the 90 day crap 
that is given to you.  Now you know I have strong feelings as I got this crap 
from Freedom Scientific main distributor in the UK and boy did I have a row 
with them hence my switching to the Mac!

On 9 Jan 2012, at 03:24 PM, "Mr. L. Alexander"  wrote:

> what loss of lives? am I missing something here?
> 
> lew
> 
> On 9 Jan 2012, at 15:23, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I do not like Alex very much and although I am not a fan of Jaws because of 
>> the loss of lives an copy protection, am use to the excellent voice of 
>> eloquence om it as people point out the expressions are said just right.
>> 
>> On 9 Jan 2012, at 03:13 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> What’s wrong with Alex? I find him vastly superior to eloquence, actually.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:55 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>>> Eloquence
>>>  
>>> Count me in.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>>> Eloquence
>>>  
>>> Hey all,
>>>  
>>> Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.
>>>  
>>> Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over 
>>> there who know about its existence.
>>>  
>>> I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and 
>>> licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email 
>>> correspondence.
>>> If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a 
>>> little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an 
>>> independent port.
>>>  
>>> What do you think?
>>>  
>>> E
>>> --
>>> Emrah
>>> 
>>> “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” 
>>> Albert Einstein
>>>  
>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
>>>  
>>> I don’t think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users, 
>>> cannot convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes 
>>> instead of the “one-size-fits-all” reverse color technique, I doubt if they 
>>> are going to implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
>>>  
>>> I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>>> Eloquence
>>>  
>>> Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time ago 
>>> about getting it on the iPhone.
>>>  
>>> > Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
>>> > Eloquence
>>> > From: mk...@ucla.edu
>>> > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
>>> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> > 
>>> > I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would love 
>>> > nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my 
>>> > iPhone.
>>> > 
>>> > Mark
>>> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > > Hi listers,
>>> > > 
>>> > > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
>>> > > 
>>> > > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always 
>>> > > been my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read) 
>>> > > thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The 
>>> > > intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out 
>>> > > there, it knew how to tone the exclamations.
>>> > > 
>>> > > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run 
>>> > > Eloquence on your Mac? 
>>> > > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
>>> > > 
>>> > > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
>>> > > 
>>> > > I am sure it could be done…
>>> > > 
>>> > > All the best,
>>> > > E
>>> > > 
>>> > > -- 
>>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>> > > Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
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>>> > > 
>>

RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

She's talking about Freedom ScienceFictions insanely horrible authorization
scheme, where you only get 3 keys at any given time, and you're only allowed
to reset a maximum of 3 times every 2 years.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 9:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence

Yeah, what do you mean by loss of lives?

E
On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:

> what loss of lives? am I missing something here?
> 
> lew
> 
> On 9 Jan 2012, at 15:23, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I do not like Alex very much and although I am not a fan of Jaws because
of the loss of lives an copy protection, am use to the excellent voice of
eloquence om it as people point out the expressions are said just right.
>> 
>> On 9 Jan 2012, at 03:13 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> What's wrong with Alex? I find him vastly superior to eloquence,
actually.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:55 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence
>>>  
>>> Count me in.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence
>>>  
>>> Hey all,
>>>  
>>> Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.
>>>  
>>> Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over
there who know about its existence.
>>>  
>>> I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and
licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email
correspondence.
>>> If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a
little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an
independent port.
>>>  
>>> What do you think?
>>>  
>>> E
>>> --
>>> Emrah
>>> 
>>> "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are
not." Albert Einstein
>>>  
>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
>>>  
>>> I don't think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users,
cannot convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes
instead of the "one-size-fits-all" reverse color technique, I doubt if they
are going to implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
>>>  
>>> I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence
>>>  
>>> Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time
ago about getting it on the iPhone.
>>>  
>>> > Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence
>>> > From: mk...@ucla.edu
>>> > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
>>> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> > 
>>> > I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would
love nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my
iPhone.
>>> > 
>>> > Mark
>>> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > > Hi listers,
>>> > > 
>>> > > I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
>>> > > 
>>> > > The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always
been my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read)
thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The
intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out there,
it knew how to tone the exclamations.
>>> > > 
>>> > > Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run
Eloquence on your Mac? 
>>> > > Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
>>> > > 
>>> > > Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
>>> > > 
>>> > > I am sure it could be done.
>>> > > 
>>> > > All the best,
>>> > > E
>>> > > 
>>> > > -- 
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Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
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macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
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Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Absolutely and it stinks!

On 9 Jan 2012, at 04:07 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> She's talking about Freedom ScienceFictions insanely horrible authorization
> scheme, where you only get 3 keys at any given time, and you're only allowed
> to reset a maximum of 3 times every 2 years.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
> Eloquence
> 
> Yeah, what do you mean by loss of lives?
> 
> E
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
> 
>> what loss of lives? am I missing something here?
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 9 Jan 2012, at 15:23, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I do not like Alex very much and although I am not a fan of Jaws because
> of the loss of lives an copy protection, am use to the excellent voice of
> eloquence om it as people point out the expressions are said just right.
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jan 2012, at 03:13 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 What's wrong with Alex? I find him vastly superior to eloquence,
> actually.
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:55 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
> Eloquence
 
 Count me in.
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
> Eloquence
 
 Hey all,
 
 Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.
 
 Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over
> there who know about its existence.
 
 I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and
> licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email
> correspondence.
 If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a
> little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an
> independent port.
 
 What do you think?
 
 E
 --
 Emrah
 
 "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are
> not." Albert Einstein
 
 On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 
 Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
 
 I don't think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users,
> cannot convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes
> instead of the "one-size-fits-all" reverse color technique, I doubt if they
> are going to implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
 
 I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
 
 Mark
 
 
 
 
 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
> Eloquence
 
 Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time
> ago about getting it on the iPhone.
 
> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
> Eloquence
> From: mk...@ucla.edu
> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would
> love nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my
> iPhone.
> 
> Mark
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>> I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
>> 
>> The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always
> been my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read)
> thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The
> intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out there,
> it knew how to tone the exclamations.
>> 
>> Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run
> Eloquence on your Mac? 
>> Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
>> 
>> Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
>> 
>> I am sure it could be done.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> E
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Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

[Chris Blouch]

You could also try RipIt. While it's not free ($25) you can do 10 rips 
before it self destructs.


http://thelittleappfactory.com/ripit/

CB

On 1/8/12 7:30 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:

handbrake will manage certain formats fairly well.

I use mactheripper and it's a nice, lightweight app if you have OS 
10.6 or earlier with rosetta support installed. as it's a PPC app. I 
use it quite a bit and it handles a fair bit of the newer encryptions. 
there are of course other apps worth checking out.


lew

On 8 Jan 2012, at 22:33, Daniel Miller wrote:


I've heard about that program, but I'm not sure that will bypass copy
protection. I always thought you needed another program to do that itself
since dvd's are protected from copying?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emilio
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:32 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

Hey Daniel,

I have found that Hand Break is an accessible program with Voiceover.
It is free, and it works quite well for ripping DVD protected content to
your computer.
The ripping process takes roughly about an hour or less (depending on 
length
of DVD). The ripped image is placed on the desktop as an MP4 file, 
which you

can copy into the "Automatically add to iTunes"
folder. Once loading iTunes, the file will successfully import into the
movies category.

HTH

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RE: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

[Daniel Miller]

Do any of these apps bypass the CSS?

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

 

You could also try RipIt. While it's not free ($25) you can do 10 rips
before it self destructs.

http://thelittleappfactory.com/ripit/

CB

On 1/8/12 7:30 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: 

handbrake will manage certain formats fairly well.

 

I use mactheripper and it's a nice, lightweight app if you have OS 10.6 or
earlier with rosetta support installed. as it's a PPC app. I use it quite a
bit and it handles a fair bit of the newer encryptions. there are of course
other apps worth checking out.

 

lew

 

On 8 Jan 2012, at 22:33, Daniel Miller wrote:





I've heard about that program, but I'm not sure that will bypass copy
protection. I always thought you needed another program to do that itself
since dvd's are protected from copying?

-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emilio
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:32 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

Hey Daniel,

I have found that Hand Break is an accessible program with Voiceover.
It is free, and it works quite well for ripping DVD protected content to
your computer.
The ripping process takes roughly about an hour or less (depending on length
of DVD). The ripped image is placed on the desktop as an MP4 file, which you
can copy into the "Automatically add to iTunes"
folder. Once loading iTunes, the file will successfully import into the
movies category.

HTH

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Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

[Mr. L. Alexander]

mactheripper bypasses CSS, etc

lew

On 9 Jan 2012, at 16:24, Chris Blouch wrote:

> You could also try RipIt. While it's not free ($25) you can do 10 rips before 
> it self destructs.
> 
> http://thelittleappfactory.com/ripit/
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/8/12 7:30 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>> 
>> handbrake will manage certain formats fairly well.
>> 
>> I use mactheripper and it's a nice, lightweight app if you have OS 10.6 or 
>> earlier with rosetta support installed. as it's a PPC app. I use it quite a 
>> bit and it handles a fair bit of the newer encryptions. there are of course 
>> other apps worth checking out.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 8 Jan 2012, at 22:33, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> I've heard about that program, but I'm not sure that will bypass copy
>>> protection. I always thought you needed another program to do that itself
>>> since dvd's are protected from copying?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emilio
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:32 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.
>>> 
>>> Hey Daniel,
>>> 
>>> I have found that Hand Break is an accessible program with Voiceover.
>>> It is free, and it works quite well for ripping DVD protected content to
>>> your computer.
>>> The ripping process takes roughly about an hour or less (depending on length
>>> of DVD). The ripped image is placed on the desktop as an MP4 file, which you
>>> can copy into the "Automatically add to iTunes"
>>> folder. Once loading iTunes, the file will successfully import into the
>>> movies category.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iMac
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RE: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

[Daniel Miller]

I'm running 10.7, so mactheripper is out of the question for me.

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

 

mactheripper bypasses CSS, etc

 

lew

 

On 9 Jan 2012, at 16:24, Chris Blouch wrote:





You could also try RipIt. While it's not free ($25) you can do 10 rips
before it self destructs.

http://thelittleappfactory.com/ripit/

CB

On 1/8/12 7:30 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: 

handbrake will manage certain formats fairly well.

 

I use mactheripper and it's a nice, lightweight app if you have OS 10.6 or
earlier with rosetta support installed. as it's a PPC app. I use it quite a
bit and it handles a fair bit of the newer encryptions. there are of course
other apps worth checking out.

 

lew

 

On 8 Jan 2012, at 22:33, Daniel Miller wrote:





I've heard about that program, but I'm not sure that will bypass copy
protection. I always thought you needed another program to do that itself
since dvd's are protected from copying?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emilio
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:32 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

Hey Daniel,

I have found that Hand Break is an accessible program with Voiceover.
It is free, and it works quite well for ripping DVD protected content to
your computer.
The ripping process takes roughly about an hour or less (depending on length
of DVD). The ripped image is placed on the desktop as an MP4 file, which you
can copy into the "Automatically add to iTunes"
folder. Once loading iTunes, the file will successfully import into the
movies category.

HTH

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Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

[Chris Blouch]

Ripit says they have tested on thousands of DVDs and to contact them if 
you find one they can't rip. From the web page I cited:


"RipIt is guaranteed to work and has a 99.% success rate in ripping 
DVDs. In fact, it has been verified to work with over 250,000 unique 
discs, and is continuously updated to rip the latest releases."


CB

On 1/9/12 11:25 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:


Do any of these apps bypass the CSS?

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Blouch

*Sent:* Monday, January 09, 2012 10:24 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

You could also try RipIt. While it's not free ($25) you can do 10 rips 
before it self destructs.


http://thelittleappfactory.com/ripit/

CB

On 1/8/12 7:30 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:

handbrake will manage certain formats fairly well.

I use mactheripper and it's a nice, lightweight app if you have OS 
10.6 or earlier with rosetta support installed. as it's a PPC app. I 
use it quite a bit and it handles a fair bit of the newer encryptions. 
there are of course other apps worth checking out.


lew

On 8 Jan 2012, at 22:33, Daniel Miller wrote:



I've heard about that program, but I'm not sure that will bypass copy
protection. I always thought you needed another program to do that itself
since dvd's are protected from copying?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emilio
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:32 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

Hey Daniel,

I have found that Hand Break is an accessible program with Voiceover.
It is free, and it works quite well for ripping DVD protected content to
your computer.
The ripping process takes roughly about an hour or less (depending on 
length
of DVD). The ripped image is placed on the desktop as an MP4 file, 
which you

can copy into the "Automatically add to iTunes"
folder. Once loading iTunes, the file will successfully import into the
movies category.

HTH

Sent from my iMac
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Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Emrah]

Lol
Thanks for the clarification!

I thought FS had stopped maintaining a live cd version of Jaws or something 
along those lines.

Emrah
On Jan 9, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> She's talking about Freedom ScienceFictions insanely horrible authorization
> scheme, where you only get 3 keys at any given time, and you're only allowed
> to reset a maximum of 3 times every 2 years.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
> Eloquence
> 
> Yeah, what do you mean by loss of lives?
> 
> E
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
> 
>> what loss of lives? am I missing something here?
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 9 Jan 2012, at 15:23, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I do not like Alex very much and although I am not a fan of Jaws because
> of the loss of lives an copy protection, am use to the excellent voice of
> eloquence om it as people point out the expressions are said just right.
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jan 2012, at 03:13 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 What's wrong with Alex? I find him vastly superior to eloquence,
> actually.
 
 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:55 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
> Eloquence
 
 Count me in.
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
> Eloquence
 
 Hey all,
 
 Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.
 
 Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people over
> there who know about its existence.
 
 I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK options and
> licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and email
> correspondence.
 If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could start a
> little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work on an
> independent port.
 
 What do you think?
 
 E
 --
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> not." Albert Einstein
 
 On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 
 Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
 
 I don't think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom users,
> cannot convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color schemes
> instead of the "one-size-fits-all" reverse color technique, I doubt if they
> are going to implement what they must consider to be an inferior TTS. 
 
 I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
 
 Mark
 
 
 
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
> Eloquence
 
 Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long time
> ago about getting it on the iPhone.
 
> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
> Eloquence
> From: mk...@ucla.edu
> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I would
> love nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that matter, my
> iPhone.
> 
> Mark
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>> I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
>> 
>> The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has always
> been my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read)
> thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The
> intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out there,
> it knew how to tone the exclamations.
>> 
>> Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run
> Eloquence on your Mac? 
>> Some folks "ported" it to Linux. http://voxin.oralux.net
>> 
>> Any idea f something similar exists on Mac?
>> 
>> I am sure it could be done.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> E
>> 
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RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI Eloquence

[Daniel Miller]

No, they offer it on DVD now.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI
Eloquence

Lol
Thanks for the clarification!

I thought FS had stopped maintaining a live cd version of Jaws or something
along those lines.

Emrah
On Jan 9, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> She's talking about Freedom ScienceFictions insanely horrible 
> authorization scheme, where you only get 3 keys at any given time, and 
> you're only allowed to reset a maximum of 3 times every 2 years.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as ETI 
> Eloquence
> 
> Yeah, what do you mean by loss of lives?
> 
> E
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
> 
>> what loss of lives? am I missing something here?
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 9 Jan 2012, at 15:23, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I do not like Alex very much and although I am not a fan of Jaws 
>>> because
> of the loss of lives an copy protection, am use to the excellent voice 
> of eloquence om it as people point out the expressions are said just
right.
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jan 2012, at 03:13 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 What's wrong with Alex? I find him vastly superior to eloquence,
> actually.
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Holton
 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:55 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as 
 ETI
> Eloquence
 
 Count me in.
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah
 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:24 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as 
 ETI
> Eloquence
 
 Hey all,
 
 Glad to hear that I am not alone in my frustration.
 
 Nuance Communications owns ETI Eloquence, but rare are the people 
 over
> there who know about its existence.
 
 I will try and get hold of a Nuance developer to discuss SDK 
 options and
> licensing, and revert back to you with a digest of my phone calls and 
> email correspondence.
 If Apple refuses to integrate Eloquence, I am thinking we could 
 start a
> little fund raising and put a budget together to hire someone to work 
> on an independent port.
 
 What do you think?
 
 E
 --
 Emrah
 
 "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are
> not." Albert Einstein
 
 On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:28 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 
 Yes, I requested such a thing many, many moons ago.
 
 I don't think it is going to happen.  If we, as low-vision Zoom 
 users,
> cannot convince Apple to allow us to truly customize basic color 
> schemes instead of the "one-size-fits-all" reverse color technique, I 
> doubt if they are going to implement what they must consider to be an
inferior TTS.
 
 I could be wrong or at least, I wish I were.  (Smile).
 
 Mark
 
 
 
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett
 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:55 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as 
 ETI
> Eloquence
 
 Has anyone written to Apple accessibility about this? I did a long 
 time
> ago about getting it on the iPhone.
 
> Subject: Re: Mac OS port of IBM Viavoice TTS, otherwise known as 
> ETI
> Eloquence
> From: mk...@ucla.edu
> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:33:58 -0800
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> I don't know about the legal issues but I can tell you that I 
> would
> love nothing more than to enjoy Eloquence on my Mac and, for that 
> matter, my iPhone.
> 
> Mark
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Emrah wrote:
> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>> I hope this message does not offend anybody allergic to Windows.
>> 
>> The version of ETI Eloquence bundled with Jaws on Windows has 
>> always
> been my favorite voice synthesizer. I used to be able to listen (read) 
> thousands and thousands of pages without ever getting tired of it. The 
> intonations were amazingly good and compared to most of the TTS out 
> there, it knew how to tone the exclamations.
>> 
>> Anyway, I am writing to inquire if any of you have tried to run
> Eloquence on your Mac? 
>>

RE: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

[Daniel Miller]

I'll give that a try, then. Thanks!

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

 

Ripit says they have tested on thousands of DVDs and to contact them if you
find one they can't rip. From the web page I cited:

"RipIt is guaranteed to work and has a 99.% success rate in ripping
DVDs. In fact, it has been verified to work with over 250,000 unique discs,
and is continuously updated to rip the latest releases."

CB

On 1/9/12 11:25 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: 

Do any of these apps bypass the CSS?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

 

You could also try RipIt. While it's not free ($25) you can do 10 rips
before it self destructs.

http://thelittleappfactory.com/ripit/

CB

On 1/8/12 7:30 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: 

handbrake will manage certain formats fairly well.

 

I use mactheripper and it's a nice, lightweight app if you have OS 10.6 or
earlier with rosetta support installed. as it's a PPC app. I use it quite a
bit and it handles a fair bit of the newer encryptions. there are of course
other apps worth checking out.

 

lew

 

On 8 Jan 2012, at 22:33, Daniel Miller wrote:






I've heard about that program, but I'm not sure that will bypass copy
protection. I always thought you needed another program to do that itself
since dvd's are protected from copying?

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emilio
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:32 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Ripping DVDs for streaming from apple TV.

Hey Daniel,

I have found that Hand Break is an accessible program with Voiceover.
It is free, and it works quite well for ripping DVD protected content to
your computer.
The ripping process takes roughly about an hour or less (depending on length
of DVD). The ripped image is placed on the desktop as an MP4 file, which you
can copy into the "Automatically add to iTunes"
folder. Once loading iTunes, the file will successfully import into the
movies category.

HTH

Sent from my iMac
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Re: Looking for a couple of programs

[Chris Blouch]

Firefox is definetly not accessible with voiceover. For details on why 
you can poke through the mailing list archives so I'll spare you the sad 
tale here. I know some folks like Chrome and the VO support keeps 
getting better with every release. Some folks find more success with 
running the WebKit nightly build which works just like Safari, but has 
all the latest bugfixes, and all the latest bugs. I couldn't get 
voiceover to read anything but the browser chrome in Opera.


CB

On 1/8/12 8:14 AM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:

Hi all,
In my mission to get the Mac running more perfectly and so I have to use the PC 
a lot less, I am looking for a couple of things, and if anyone can advise me it 
would be good.
Can you use another web client other than Safari? Or can this only be done when 
Bootcamp or VMFusion is running? I heard something about Firefox not working on 
a Mac but Google Chrome being good. What are people's impressions and how would 
I go about it?
I struggle with PDF files, is there any program to get them to read ok?
I heard something a while back that you could get fine reader for Mac. Now I 
have got my scanner working, I would like to get hold of FR for Mac. How would 
I go about this and is there anything I need to know?
Many thanks as always!
Kirsten.



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Re: DVD

[Chris Blouch]

I don't think you can just copy a DVD into iTunes. Commercial DVDs are 
generally copy protected (unlike audio CDs) so at a minimum you would 
have to get something that breaks the encryption and copies the files to 
your hard drive. In the US the mere act of breaking that encryption is 
illegal (thanks congress for the Digital Millennium Copyright Act). Even 
if you get the files onto your hard drive it's a whole tree structure, 
not a single file. So that would need to be packaged up into something 
iTunes is familiar with. If you Google around there are tools to do both 
parts. Ripit, as mentioned on another thread, will do the former and I 
think other folks have mentioned tools to make a video_ts folder of DVD 
files into something iTunes will like.


CB

On 1/7/12 11:31 PM, ezzie bueno wrote:

Hi folks:

Can anyone please tell me how I can copy DVD's into my iTunes library?

Thanks,
Ezzie


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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Marlaina Lieberg]

Hi Tim.

I do not see this folder, though this machine is subscribed to iCloud.  This is 
really frustrating, as I want to be able to do this to keep my sanity, smile.

Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the world!

Marlaina Lieberg
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On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you are 
running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in your 
Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder is what 
iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use the files 
between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud account, then 
simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you wish accessed by 
both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily accessed by each Mac 
registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes to the file while it's in 
that folder and it will more or less instantly be changed within iCloud and 
thus changed on your other Mac.

Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within Pages 
on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document types into 
the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides in the Mobile 
Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into mobile Pages.  then it 
can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any other iDevice you've 
registered within the same iCloud account.  The translation process makes it 
unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  So, you'll need to continue simply 
using iOS devices to work with that document unless you physically connect your 
iDevice to your Mac, select it from the Source List and choose the Apps tab.  
In the Table that lists the apps that share documents in iTunes, select Pages.  
You can then acces the iOS version of the document, and then save it to your 
Mac in a usable format.

If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back into 
iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  I, 
primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my documents are 
always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are things like 
christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out and about away from 
a Mac.

Hope this helps and is clear enough.

Later...

On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at once 
> but have had no response yet.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and onto 
>> other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there but I don't 
>> know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my iDisk, or in 
>> another folder.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
>> world!
>> 
>> Marlaina Lieberg
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Dragon Dictate

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hi all,

I want to download Dragon Dictate on my Mac and iPod.
However, it is not available in the app store.
So, where can I find it?

Cheers,
Rahul

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Re: Dragon Dictate

[Matt Dierckens]

Google?
Matt
Sent from my macbook pro

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> Hi all,
> 
> I want to download Dragon Dictate on my Mac and iPod.
> However, it is not available in the app store.
> So, where can I find it?
> 
> Cheers,
> Rahul
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Hand Break DB Download

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello folks,

For thos ewho want a copy of hand break just message meoff list and I will send 
you a link from which you can download this program via my drop box.

Cheers

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Re: Hand Break DB Download

[Andy Lane]

is this software no longer available for download?  If so I will make
sure mine is backed up.  If you have a newer or better copy I would
love a copy.  cheers. Andy.

Emilio Hernandez wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> For thos ewho want a copy of hand break just message meoff list and I will 
> send you a link from which you can download this program via my drop b
> Cheers
>
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Re: Hand Break DB Download

[Chris Blouch]

Did I miss something? HandBrake just put out a new version on January 3. 
You can get it from their official site:


http://handbrake.fr/

CB

On 1/9/12 2:16 PM, Andy Lane wrote:

is this software no longer available for download?  If so I will make
sure mine is backed up.  If you have a newer or better copy I would
love a copy.  cheers. Andy.

Emilio Hernandez wrote:

Hello folks,

For thos ewho want a copy of hand break just message meoff list and I will send 
you a link from which you can download this program via my drop b
Cheers

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Re: Zoom on the Mac, was: Switching to a Mac from PC

[M. Taylor]

Thank you ever so much, Ann.

This sounds marvelous; I will definitely check it out.

Most Sincerely,

Mark
On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:32 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Mark,
> 
> This is not first hand experience as I'm totally blind, but my husband 
> teaches low-vision people to use the Mac, and most of his clients use 
> VisioVoice from Assistiveware to give them the combination of colours that 
> suits their eyesight.
> 
> This application is far from free, but it might provide what you need. Have a 
> look at:
> www.assistiveware.com
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 9 Jan 2012, at 06:25, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> No, I think it's all been covered; however, I will say that, some how,
>> cursor tracking feels smoother or more seamless with Zoomtext.
>> 
>> I think the biggest thing I like about using Windows over the Mac in Zoom
>> mode is the ability to truly customize color schemes.  
>> 
>> I have all but begged Apple to give users, sighted or low-vision the ability
>> to truly customize the OS color scheme.  Simply reversing colors is not good
>> enough for long-term use of Zoom, in my opinion.  
>> 
>> The truth is, I only need the editable text font and background reversed,
>> not the entire desktop or window elements.  Reversing every color on the
>> desktop can sometimes make navigation more difficult and it looks terrible
>> especially when the reverse-colored screen saver kicks in.  
>> 
>> Mark 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louie P. (Pete) Nalda
>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 9:23 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
>> 
>> Just out of curiosity, can you name other areas of superiority of ZoomText
>> over Zoom besides what I've mentioned?  And do you think maybe these extra
>> features add to the instability problems the OP mentions?  I'm just curious,
>> as Zoom does seem to run very flawlessly on the mac, limitations aside. And
>> you don't have to pay $150 for upgrades every time the browser or OS is
>> updated (I'm only stating what the Original poster said earlier).  I think
>> knowing what features ZT has that people want could help the folks at apple
>> know how they can best improve Zoom.  Myself, I never really miss the
>> features I had with ZT and Windows.  I get very close using Zoom and VO
>> together on my Mac.  Ymmv.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:22 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I think I missed the genesis of this thread; but, as for zoom on the 
>>> Mac versus Zoomtext for Windows, Zoomtext is far superior.  This truly 
>>> saddens me as, were they equal or more closely matched, I would use my 
>>> Mac even more than I currently do.
>>> 
>>> I have been lobbying AI Squared, the makers of Zoomtext, to port ZT 
>>> over to the Mac.  I hope, someday, that it will.
>>> 
>>> I do not fault Apple for this as Apple is an OS developer where as AI
>>> Squared is a screen magnification company.   I am certain that if Apple
>> were
>>> primarily a screen magnification company it would be the best on the
>> planet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louie P. (Pete) 
>>> Nalda
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 6:34 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Switching to a Mac from PC
>>> 
>>> Here are the main differences between ZoomText and Zoom on the Mac.  
>>> Zoom on the mac doesn't offer windowed or partial screen magnification 
>>> as ZoomText Does, though to It's benefit, it does offer several 
>>> tracking options of how the screen moves with the pointer.  I use
>> Continuous mode.  and of Course
>>> there is keyboard tracking as well.   Like ZT, there is also font
>> smoothing.
>>> Zoom does not have the doc reader app, but will happily move along 
>>> with VoiceOver as VO reads text.  Zoom can quickly change 
>>> magnification with
>>> ctrl+ 2 finger up/down on the trackpad, which I find is just as handy 
>>> ctrl+ as
>>> using the wheel on a mouse.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2012, at 7:53 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>> 
 Hi chuck,
 
 I think people have missed the main point of your message and have 
 gone on
>>> a tangent which isn't what you were asking.
 
 Large (magnification) on the Mac is very good from my understanding. 
 You
>>> can quickly change the size of the font. But I do not know what the 
>>> feature differences between Zoomtext and Mac Magnification. Only think 
>>> I do know is that it is very feature reach.
 
 Web development and other like presentation tools under the Mac is 
 very
>>> feature reach.
 On 04/01/2012, at 12:44 PM, Chuck wrote:
 
> Thanks for the information. I do plan to use my PC and the Mac Mini 
> in parallel until I get used to the Mac. I am familiar with voice 
>

A truly frustrating issue

[Richard Ring]

I am writing this message because I am extremely perplexed and frustrated. I am 
using a MacBook Pro  that is only 3 months old. It features an Intel 2.7 ghz 
dual cor i7 processor, 8 gigs of ram, and a 500 gig hard disk. I am running 
Lion with all software updates applied. Here is my problem.  When ever I use 
Finder to copy files, or, for that matter, to look at any files and folders, I 
receive "finder busy" messages and can do nothing. The only way I can return 
Finder to its normal behavior is to force quit and relaunch it, and even then 
the return to normal behavior is temporary.  I am at a total loss as to what I 
can do about this issue, but it is rendering many functions useless. If this 
kind of behavior was happening on a Windows machine, I could think of several 
things I could try in order to remedy it.  However, I am clueless here. This is 
rendered even more frustrating because I am attempting to use this computer as 
my primary machine. Any ideas any of you may have would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks in advance for any and all help.

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Re: A truly frustrating issue

[Emrah]

Richard,

The only time this happens to me is when I browse folders that are on a remote 
disk, e.g.: mounted via SFTP. It says Finder Busy for a few seconds when I open 
big folders.

If this is happening to you all the time, you might be using a defective HD.

Would be good to hear other opinions on the matter…

Emrah
On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Richard Ring wrote:

> I am writing this message because I am extremely perplexed and frustrated. I 
> am using a MacBook Pro  that is only 3 months old. It features an Intel 2.7 
> ghz dual cor i7 processor, 8 gigs of ram, and a 500 gig hard disk. I am 
> running Lion with all software updates applied. Here is my problem.  When 
> ever I use Finder to copy files, or, for that matter, to look at any files 
> and folders, I receive "finder busy" messages and can do nothing. The only 
> way I can return Finder to its normal behavior is to force quit and relaunch 
> it, and even then the return to normal behavior is temporary.  I am at a 
> total loss as to what I can do about this issue, but it is rendering many 
> functions useless. If this kind of behavior was happening on a Windows 
> machine, I could think of several things I could try in order to remedy it.  
> However, I am clueless here. This is rendered even more frustrating because I 
> am attempting to use this computer as my primary machine. Any ideas any of 
> you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any and all 
> help.
> 
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Re: A truly frustrating issue

[Eugenia Firth]

No, this happens to me on more than one of my thumb drives. I took it to the 
Apple store because I wanted them to see what was happening. This was how, 
since I hadn't yet figure out how to avoid problems, I managed to mess up one 
of my little devices. 

I have discovered that when Finder does this, if I turn VoiceOver off and don't 
do anything for t while, it will stop. For a while means like thirty seconds or 
so. Also, if I have a file already on the clipboard, I can go ahead and do 
command V and it will go ahead and copy the thing. Then a lot of times you can 
hear the drive click when it turns off. I have found then that Finder is not 
saying busy after this.

I don't have this trouble unless I have a drive with a lot of files on it. Oh, 
by the way, it doesn't seem to affect Time Machine. 

Regards,
Gigi

On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Emrah wrote:

> Richard,
> 
> The only time this happens to me is when I browse folders that are on a 
> remote disk, e.g.: mounted via SFTP. It says Finder Busy for a few seconds 
> when I open big folders.
> 
> If this is happening to you all the time, you might be using a defective HD.
> 
> Would be good to hear other opinions on the matter…
> 
> Emrah
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Richard Ring wrote:
> 
>> I am writing this message because I am extremely perplexed and frustrated. I 
>> am using a MacBook Pro  that is only 3 months old. It features an Intel 2.7 
>> ghz dual cor i7 processor, 8 gigs of ram, and a 500 gig hard disk. I am 
>> running Lion with all software updates applied. Here is my problem.  When 
>> ever I use Finder to copy files, or, for that matter, to look at any files 
>> and folders, I receive "finder busy" messages and can do nothing. The only 
>> way I can return Finder to its normal behavior is to force quit and relaunch 
>> it, and even then the return to normal behavior is temporary.  I am at a 
>> total loss as to what I can do about this issue, but it is rendering many 
>> functions useless. If this kind of behavior was happening on a Windows 
>> machine, I could think of several things I could try in order to remedy it.  
>> However, I am clueless here. This is rendered even more frustrating because 
>> I am attempting to use this computer as my primary machine. Any ideas any of 
>> you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any and all 
>> help.
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Re: A truly frustrating issue

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay.  Were I in your situation, and I had all that happening, I'd go for a 
disk repair first.  You can effect this by turning off your machine, then, when 
you turn it back on, make sure you hold down the command+r keys.  This will 
cause the run time OS to start up.  You want to wait about say 45 seconds or so 
then press comand+F5 to start voice Over.  You will note that Fred will be the 
voice you have here.  You will notice a menu of things from which you can 
choose.  Pick the unilities option and from there, I'd select to repair the 
Macintosh drive.  IF even repaiaring disk or disk permitions fails, then, I'd 
be a little more dramatic and go for a fresh installation of the OS.  Very easy 
to do using Lion.  Some here say that a fresh install won't make much of a 
difference;  however, as I read your description of your  probem and imagineing 
what I myself would do, those would be the things I'd try.


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On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Richard Ring wrote:

> I am writing this message because I am extremely perplexed and frustrated. I 
> am using a MacBook Pro  that is only 3 months old. It features an Intel 2.7 
> ghz dual cor i7 processor, 8 gigs of ram, and a 500 gig hard disk. I am 
> running Lion with all software updates applied. Here is my problem.  When 
> ever I use Finder to copy files, or, for that matter, to look at any files 
> and folders, I receive "finder busy" messages and can do nothing. The only 
> way I can return Finder to its normal behavior is to force quit and relaunch 
> it, and even then the return to normal behavior is temporary.  I am at a 
> total loss as to what I can do about this issue, but it is rendering many 
> functions useless. If this kind of behavior was happening on a Windows 
> machine, I could think of several things I could try in order to remedy it.  
> However, I am clueless here. This is rendered even more frustrating because I 
> am attempting to use this computer as my primary machine. Any ideas any of 
> you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any and all 
> help.
> 
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Re: A truly frustrating issue

[Courtney Curran]

Hi Richard,
Possibly repairing disc permissions might work, I think it's under disc 
utility, but I'm not 100 percent sure.
Courtney
On 09/01/2012, at 5:12 in the Afternoon, Emrah wrote:

> Richard,
> 
> The only time this happens to me is when I browse folders that are on a 
> remote disk, e.g.: mounted via SFTP. It says Finder Busy for a few seconds 
> when I open big folders.
> 
> If this is happening to you all the time, you might be using a defective HD.
> 
> Would be good to hear other opinions on the matter…
> 
> Emrah
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Richard Ring wrote:
> 
>> I am writing this message because I am extremely perplexed and frustrated. I 
>> am using a MacBook Pro  that is only 3 months old. It features an Intel 2.7 
>> ghz dual cor i7 processor, 8 gigs of ram, and a 500 gig hard disk. I am 
>> running Lion with all software updates applied. Here is my problem.  When 
>> ever I use Finder to copy files, or, for that matter, to look at any files 
>> and folders, I receive "finder busy" messages and can do nothing. The only 
>> way I can return Finder to its normal behavior is to force quit and relaunch 
>> it, and even then the return to normal behavior is temporary.  I am at a 
>> total loss as to what I can do about this issue, but it is rendering many 
>> functions useless. If this kind of behavior was happening on a Windows 
>> machine, I could think of several things I could try in order to remedy it.  
>> However, I am clueless here. This is rendered even more frustrating because 
>> I am attempting to use this computer as my primary machine. Any ideas any of 
>> you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any and all 
>> help.
>> 
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Downloading and uncompressing bard books in mac

[.dan.]

Using terminal from within the browser lynx I downloaded a bard book. 
This is the name of the file:


DB-Fleming,

Note it ends in a comma.  That is the author's name preceeded by "db".

It is my understanding that before one moves the contents to a flash drive 
for use in the nls machine it must be uncompressed.


On a web page describing doing this in the mac gui it talks about 
"unzipping" the book first.  I assume this is a generic reference because 
the file does not indicate it is a "zip" file.  Renaming it with a zip 
extension doesn't help when I use unzip on it.  The program says it is not 
a zip file.


I would like to perform all this in terminal if at all possible.  What 
compression scheme is used and how can it be uncompressed?


Can the uncompression the mac gui uses be run from the command line?  Can 
the open command be used with it somehow?  What is the name of the program?


Thanks for any info or help,

Dan
   XB
IC|XC

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carbon copy cloner

[Wayne Coles]

hello all can anybody please tell me if i can clone my hd and put it on a 
external hd with ccc and is it very easy and where can i get step by step 
instructions to do this thanks in advance wayne 

On 9 Jan 2012, at 22:05, Richard Ring wrote:

> I am writing this message because I am extremely perplexed and frustrated. I 
> am using a MacBook Pro  that is only 3 months old. It features an Intel 2.7 
> ghz dual cor i7 processor, 8 gigs of ram, and a 500 gig hard disk. I am 
> running Lion with all software updates applied. Here is my problem.  When 
> ever I use Finder to copy files, or, for that matter, to look at any files 
> and folders, I receive "finder busy" messages and can do nothing. The only 
> way I can return Finder to its normal behavior is to force quit and relaunch 
> it, and even then the return to normal behavior is temporary.  I am at a 
> total loss as to what I can do about this issue, but it is rendering many 
> functions useless. If this kind of behavior was happening on a Windows 
> machine, I could think of several things I could try in order to remedy it.  
> However, I am clueless here. This is rendered even more frustrating because I 
> am attempting to use this computer as my primary machine. Any ideas any of 
> you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any and all 
> help.
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to do list apps

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
I am taking 5 graduate level courses this semester and all of them require a 
ton of work. SO does anyone have any suggestions for an accessible app that 
would function like a to do list but for assignments that I could check off 
after they are done? I guess what I am looking for is kind of like a homework 
planner. I just want to make sure I don't miss out on doing all my assignments, 
I already put their due dates in my calendar which was the first time I used 
Ical. it was interesting experience but I figured it out.

Becky and C

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Re: Downloading and uncompressing bard books in mac

[Ray Foret Jr]

You are making just entirely too much work for yourself all for nothing.  
Here's how I deal with BARD books on my Mac.

1.  Find the book you wish.

2.  Press VO+space bar to download it.  It will drop in to your downloads 
folder unless you've changed this default location.

3.  IF your Safari is set to open safe files automatically, it will do so and 
drop the zip version directly in to the trash.  This, I think, explains why you 
are not seeing the .zip extention.  You have the unzipped folder now and the 
.zip version is in your trash.

4.  If your Safari is not set to open safe files automatically, you will see 
the .zip extention and need to open the file.  Just press command+o to open 
this file.  It will unzip and open for you. 

Now, just use finder to transfer the book to what ever medium you wish.




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On Jan 9, 2012, at 1:06 PM, .dan. wrote:

> 
> Using terminal from within the browser lynx I downloaded a bard book. This is 
> the name of the file:
> 
> DB-Fleming,
> 
> Note it ends in a comma.  That is the author's name preceeded by "db".
> 
> It is my understanding that before one moves the contents to a flash drive 
> for use in the nls machine it must be uncompressed.
> 
> On a web page describing doing this in the mac gui it talks about "unzipping" 
> the book first.  I assume this is a generic reference because the file does 
> not indicate it is a "zip" file.  Renaming it with a zip extension doesn't 
> help when I use unzip on it.  The program says it is not a zip file.
> 
> I would like to perform all this in terminal if at all possible.  What 
> compression scheme is used and how can it be uncompressed?
> 
> Can the uncompression the mac gui uses be run from the command line?  Can the 
> open command be used with it somehow?  What is the name of the program?
> 
> Thanks for any info or help,
> 
> Dan
>   XB
>IC|XC
> 
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Re: carbon copy cloner

[Ray Foret Jr]

Hi Wayne,

Yes, you can indeed clone your HD to an external using CCC.  Because it's quite 
self explanitory once you open it, step by step instructions are really not 
necessary.  As you move through the app, you'll get a good feel for what does 
what.  If it helps, though, I'd say that the default settings should do just 
fine for a full start up clone.  


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On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Wayne Coles wrote:

> hello all can anybody please tell me if i can clone my hd and put it on a 
> external hd with ccc and is it very easy and where can i get step by step 
> instructions to do this thanks in advance wayne   
> 
> On 9 Jan 2012, at 22:05, Richard Ring wrote:
> 
>> I am writing this message because I am extremely perplexed and frustrated. I 
>> am using a MacBook Pro  that is only 3 months old. It features an Intel 2.7 
>> ghz dual cor i7 processor, 8 gigs of ram, and a 500 gig hard disk. I am 
>> running Lion with all software updates applied. Here is my problem.  When 
>> ever I use Finder to copy files, or, for that matter, to look at any files 
>> and folders, I receive "finder busy" messages and can do nothing. The only 
>> way I can return Finder to its normal behavior is to force quit and relaunch 
>> it, and even then the return to normal behavior is temporary.  I am at a 
>> total loss as to what I can do about this issue, but it is rendering many 
>> functions useless. If this kind of behavior was happening on a Windows 
>> machine, I could think of several things I could try in order to remedy it.  
>> However, I am clueless here. This is rendered even more frustrating because 
>> I am attempting to use this computer as my primary machine. Any ideas any of 
>> you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any and all 
>> help.
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Re: A truly frustrating issue

[Richard Ring]

You are reading my mind. I'm now doing just that.
On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi Richard,
> Possibly repairing disc permissions might work, I think it's under disc 
> utility, but I'm not 100 percent sure.
> Courtney
> On 09/01/2012, at 5:12 in the Afternoon, Emrah wrote:
> 
>> Richard,
>> 
>> The only time this happens to me is when I browse folders that are on a 
>> remote disk, e.g.: mounted via SFTP. It says Finder Busy for a few seconds 
>> when I open big folders.
>> 
>> If this is happening to you all the time, you might be using a defective HD.
>> 
>> Would be good to hear other opinions on the matter…
>> 
>> Emrah
>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Richard Ring wrote:
>> 
>>> I am writing this message because I am extremely perplexed and frustrated. 
>>> I am using a MacBook Pro  that is only 3 months old. It features an Intel 
>>> 2.7 ghz dual cor i7 processor, 8 gigs of ram, and a 500 gig hard disk. I am 
>>> running Lion with all software updates applied. Here is my problem.  When 
>>> ever I use Finder to copy files, or, for that matter, to look at any files 
>>> and folders, I receive "finder busy" messages and can do nothing. The only 
>>> way I can return Finder to its normal behavior is to force quit and 
>>> relaunch it, and even then the return to normal behavior is temporary.  I 
>>> am at a total loss as to what I can do about this issue, but it is 
>>> rendering many functions useless. If this kind of behavior was happening on 
>>> a Windows machine, I could think of several things I could try in order to 
>>> remedy it.  However, I am clueless here. This is rendered even more 
>>> frustrating because I am attempting to use this computer as my primary 
>>> machine. Any ideas any of you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks 
>>> in advance for any and all help.
>>> 
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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Paul,

First, you must have OS X Lion.  Now, Lion, by default, hides the Library 
folder in your Home Directory.  You can make it visible using the Terminal or 
simply go up to the Go menu when in the Finder, make sure that you hold down 
the Option key while navigating down the menu items, and right after the Home 
item will be your Library folder.  Within that folder will be the Mobile 
Documents folder.

If you are running less than Lion, this is not available.

HTH.

Later...

On 2012-01-09, at 8:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Tim. I don't see the mobile documents folder on my mac. Can you tell me 
> exactly how to access it?
> 
> Thanks so much.
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
>> complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you 
>> are running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in 
>> your Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder 
>> is what iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use 
>> the files between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud 
>> account, then simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you 
>> wish accessed by both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily accessed 
>> by each Mac registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes to the file 
>> while it's in that folder and it will more or less instantly be changed 
>> within iCloud and thus changed on your other Mac.
>> 
>> Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
>> Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
>> types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides 
>> in the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into 
>> mobile Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any 
>> other iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The 
>> translation process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  So, 
>> you'll need to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that document 
>> unless you physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it from the 
>> Source List and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the apps that 
>> share documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the iOS version 
>> of the document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable format.
>> 
>> If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back into 
>> iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  I, 
>> primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my documents 
>> are always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are things like 
>> christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out and about away 
>> from a Mac.
>> 
>> Hope this helps and is clear enough.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at 
>>> once but have had no response yet.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all.
 
 Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and onto 
 other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there but I 
 don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my iDisk, or 
 in another folder.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: A truly frustrating issue

[Courtney Curran]

Hi Richard,
Could you please let us know whether the repair of disc permisions worked?
Thanks,
Courtney


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On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Richard Ring wrote:

> You are reading my mind. I'm now doing just that.
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> Possibly repairing disc permissions might work, I think it's under disc 
>> utility, but I'm not 100 percent sure.
>> Courtney
>> On 09/01/2012, at 5:12 in the Afternoon, Emrah wrote:
>> 
>>> Richard,
>>> 
>>> The only time this happens to me is when I browse folders that are on a 
>>> remote disk, e.g.: mounted via SFTP. It says Finder Busy for a few seconds 
>>> when I open big folders.
>>> 
>>> If this is happening to you all the time, you might be using a defective HD.
>>> 
>>> Would be good to hear other opinions on the matter…
>>> 
>>> Emrah
>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Richard Ring wrote:
>>> 
 I am writing this message because I am extremely perplexed and frustrated. 
 I am using a MacBook Pro  that is only 3 months old. It features an Intel 
 2.7 ghz dual cor i7 processor, 8 gigs of ram, and a 500 gig hard disk. I 
 am running Lion with all software updates applied. Here is my problem.  
 When ever I use Finder to copy files, or, for that matter, to look at any 
 files and folders, I receive "finder busy" messages and can do nothing. 
 The only way I can return Finder to its normal behavior is to force quit 
 and relaunch it, and even then the return to normal behavior is temporary. 
  I am at a total loss as to what I can do about this issue, but it is 
 rendering many functions useless. If this kind of behavior was happening 
 on a Windows machine, I could think of several things I could try in order 
 to remedy it.  However, I am clueless here. This is rendered even more 
 frustrating because I am attempting to use this computer as my primary 
 machine. Any ideas any of you may have would be greatly appreciated. 
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Hotmail on the Mac

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi Guys:
I'm trying to teach my dad the Mac. I'm trying to explain to him that his 
Hotmail account is in iMail, and that it is infact Hotmail. *sigh* He isn't 
getting the benefits of using iMail because he still wants to use hotmail on 
the web. He has a bunch of folders on Hotmail's site with saved mail. Is there 
a way to import all his saved stuff in iMail? I'm trying to get him to learn 
new things, but he keeps wanting to use it like Windows. I'm about to beat my 
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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Paul,

You must have your iPhone physically connected to the Mac to use that method.  
You would select Numbers from the sharable Apps Table then there should be an 
Add button.  When you press the Add button, it will bring up an Open dialog 
where you could open the Numbers document.  This will bring it to your iPhone.

I prefer to do it the wireless way whereby I simply place a copy of the 
document into the Documents folder within the com~apple~numbers folder in the 
Mobile Documents folder.  Then, I can simply go into Pages or Numbers and use 
the Add feature to translate it into the iOS version for me.

Hope this makes sense.  If not, let me know and I'll try harder.

Later...

On 2012-01-09, at 8:21 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Tim. I see numbers in the list of apps that can share data. Once I 
> choose numbers, How do I view the documents on my IPhone from the MAC?
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
>> complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you 
>> are running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in 
>> your Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder 
>> is what iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use 
>> the files between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud 
>> account, then simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you 
>> wish accessed by both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily accessed 
>> by each Mac registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes to the file 
>> while it's in that folder and it will more or less instantly be changed 
>> within iCloud and thus changed on your other Mac.
>> 
>> Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
>> Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
>> types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides 
>> in the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into 
>> mobile Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any 
>> other iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The 
>> translation process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  So, 
>> you'll need to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that document 
>> unless you physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it from the 
>> Source List and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the apps that 
>> share documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the iOS version 
>> of the document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable format.
>> 
>> If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back into 
>> iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  I, 
>> primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my documents 
>> are always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are things like 
>> christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out and about away 
>> from a Mac.
>> 
>> Hope this helps and is clear enough.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at 
>>> once but have had no response yet.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all.
 
 Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and onto 
 other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there but I 
 don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my iDisk, or 
 in another folder.
 
 Thanks.
 
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 world!
 
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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Tim. I am running Lion. When I access the go menu in my finder and press 
the option key and use the up and down arrows I get a connect to server prompt. 
I must be missing something. I understand how to add items in the app sharing. 
I assume that when I change the file on the IOS device, it will automatically 
be updated in the mobile documents folder and when I update it in the mobile 
documents folder it will land in the cloud and be available to my device? 
On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> First, you must have OS X Lion.  Now, Lion, by default, hides the Library 
> folder in your Home Directory.  You can make it visible using the Terminal or 
> simply go up to the Go menu when in the Finder, make sure that you hold down 
> the Option key while navigating down the menu items, and right after the Home 
> item will be your Library folder.  Within that folder will be the Mobile 
> Documents folder.
> 
> If you are running less than Lion, this is not available.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-01-09, at 8:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> 
>> Hello Tim. I don't see the mobile documents folder on my mac. Can you tell 
>> me exactly how to access it?
>> 
>> Thanks so much.
>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
>>> complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you 
>>> are running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in 
>>> your Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder 
>>> is what iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use 
>>> the files between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud 
>>> account, then simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you 
>>> wish accessed by both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily 
>>> accessed by each Mac registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes 
>>> to the file while it's in that folder and it will more or less instantly be 
>>> changed within iCloud and thus changed on your other Mac.
>>> 
>>> Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
>>> Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
>>> types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides 
>>> in the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into 
>>> mobile Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any 
>>> other iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The 
>>> translation process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  So, 
>>> you'll need to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that document 
>>> unless you physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it from the 
>>> Source List and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the apps that 
>>> share documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the iOS 
>>> version of the document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable format.
>>> 
>>> If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back 
>>> into iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  
>>> I, primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my 
>>> documents are always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are 
>>> things like christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out and 
>>> about away from a Mac.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps and is clear enough.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at 
 once but have had no response yet.
 
 Kawal.
 On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> Hello all.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and onto 
> other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there but I 
> don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my iDisk, or 
> in another folder.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
> world!
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Tim. I found the mobile documents folder but don't see how I can view the 
numbers document on the mac. 
On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> First, you must have OS X Lion.  Now, Lion, by default, hides the Library 
> folder in your Home Directory.  You can make it visible using the Terminal or 
> simply go up to the Go menu when in the Finder, make sure that you hold down 
> the Option key while navigating down the menu items, and right after the Home 
> item will be your Library folder.  Within that folder will be the Mobile 
> Documents folder.
> 
> If you are running less than Lion, this is not available.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-01-09, at 8:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> 
>> Hello Tim. I don't see the mobile documents folder on my mac. Can you tell 
>> me exactly how to access it?
>> 
>> Thanks so much.
>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
>>> complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you 
>>> are running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in 
>>> your Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder 
>>> is what iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use 
>>> the files between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud 
>>> account, then simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you 
>>> wish accessed by both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily 
>>> accessed by each Mac registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes 
>>> to the file while it's in that folder and it will more or less instantly be 
>>> changed within iCloud and thus changed on your other Mac.
>>> 
>>> Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
>>> Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
>>> types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides 
>>> in the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into 
>>> mobile Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any 
>>> other iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The 
>>> translation process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  So, 
>>> you'll need to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that document 
>>> unless you physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it from the 
>>> Source List and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the apps that 
>>> share documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the iOS 
>>> version of the document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable format.
>>> 
>>> If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back 
>>> into iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  
>>> I, primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my 
>>> documents are always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are 
>>> things like christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out and 
>>> about away from a Mac.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps and is clear enough.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at 
 once but have had no response yet.
 
 Kawal.
 On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> Hello all.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and onto 
> other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there but I 
> don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my iDisk, or 
> in another folder.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
> world!
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: A truly frustrating issue

[Mike Arrigo]

The first thing I would do here is repair the disk permissions. When starting 
up the mac, hold command+r to boot in to the recovery mode, once booted, press 
command+f5 to start voice over, open the disk utility and have it check the 
disk for problems. Once that is done, have it repair the permissions. Once this 
is done, try restarting normally and see if things improve. The other thing you 
could try is to use a program such as onyx or cocktail and have it clear all 
the system and application caches.
On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Richard Ring wrote:

> I am writing this message because I am extremely perplexed and frustrated. I 
> am using a MacBook Pro  that is only 3 months old. It features an Intel 2.7 
> ghz dual cor i7 processor, 8 gigs of ram, and a 500 gig hard disk. I am 
> running Lion with all software updates applied. Here is my problem.  When 
> ever I use Finder to copy files, or, for that matter, to look at any files 
> and folders, I receive "finder busy" messages and can do nothing. The only 
> way I can return Finder to its normal behavior is to force quit and relaunch 
> it, and even then the return to normal behavior is temporary.  I am at a 
> total loss as to what I can do about this issue, but it is rendering many 
> functions useless. If this kind of behavior was happening on a Windows 
> machine, I could think of several things I could try in order to remedy it.  
> However, I am clueless here. This is rendered even more frustrating because I 
> am attempting to use this computer as my primary machine. Any ideas any of 
> you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any and all 
> help.
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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Paul,

Try holding down your VO keys while going down the Go menu items.

Your assumption is sort of correct.  The problem arises when attempting to open 
a document that has been changed into the iOS version.  This version is not 
accessible to the Mac unless you translate it back using the iTunes method and 
saving it to your Mac.  The process is more or less seamless if you go from 
iDevice to iDevice or from Mac to Mac.  From Mac to iDevice is not too 
difficult but a little more cumbersome when going from iDevice to Mac.  All 
workable but Apple needs to do some work to make it more seamless between 
iDevice and Mac.

Later...

On 2012-01-09, at 5:45 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Tim. I am running Lion. When I access the go menu in my finder and 
> press the option key and use the up and down arrows I get a connect to server 
> prompt. I must be missing something. I understand how to add items in the app 
> sharing. I assume that when I change the file on the IOS device, it will 
> automatically be updated in the mobile documents folder and when I update it 
> in the mobile documents folder it will land in the cloud and be available to 
> my device? 
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> First, you must have OS X Lion.  Now, Lion, by default, hides the Library 
>> folder in your Home Directory.  You can make it visible using the Terminal 
>> or simply go up to the Go menu when in the Finder, make sure that you hold 
>> down the Option key while navigating down the menu items, and right after 
>> the Home item will be your Library folder.  Within that folder will be the 
>> Mobile Documents folder.
>> 
>> If you are running less than Lion, this is not available.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-01-09, at 8:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Tim. I don't see the mobile documents folder on my mac. Can you tell 
>>> me exactly how to access it?
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much.
>>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
 complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you 
 are running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in 
 your Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder 
 is what iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use 
 the files between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud 
 account, then simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you 
 wish accessed by both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily 
 accessed by each Mac registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes 
 to the file while it's in that folder and it will more or less instantly 
 be changed within iCloud and thus changed on your other Mac.
 
 Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
 Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
 types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides 
 in the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into 
 mobile Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any 
 other iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The 
 translation process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  
 So, you'll need to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that 
 document unless you physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it 
 from the Source List and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the 
 apps that share documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the 
 iOS version of the document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable 
 format.
 
 If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back 
 into iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  
 I, primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my 
 documents are always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are 
 things like christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out 
 and about away from a Mac.
 
 Hope this helps and is clear enough.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at 
> once but have had no response yet.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and 
>> onto other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there 
>> but I don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my 
>> iDisk, or in another folder.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Reach within you, find the beaut

Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Tim Kilburn]

That's where Apple needs some work in seamlessness.  The only way I know how to 
access documents that I've got on the iDevice is to send it back to the Mac 
through iTunes.  The iOS version is not accessible to the Mac version of 
Numbers at all.  Maybe, in the next version of iWork, they will address this 
shortcoming.

Later...

On 2012-01-09, at 5:59 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Tim. I found the mobile documents folder but don't see how I can view 
> the numbers document on the mac. 
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> First, you must have OS X Lion.  Now, Lion, by default, hides the Library 
>> folder in your Home Directory.  You can make it visible using the Terminal 
>> or simply go up to the Go menu when in the Finder, make sure that you hold 
>> down the Option key while navigating down the menu items, and right after 
>> the Home item will be your Library folder.  Within that folder will be the 
>> Mobile Documents folder.
>> 
>> If you are running less than Lion, this is not available.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-01-09, at 8:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Tim. I don't see the mobile documents folder on my mac. Can you tell 
>>> me exactly how to access it?
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much.
>>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
 complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you 
 are running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in 
 your Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder 
 is what iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use 
 the files between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud 
 account, then simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you 
 wish accessed by both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily 
 accessed by each Mac registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes 
 to the file while it's in that folder and it will more or less instantly 
 be changed within iCloud and thus changed on your other Mac.
 
 Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
 Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
 types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides 
 in the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into 
 mobile Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any 
 other iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The 
 translation process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  
 So, you'll need to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that 
 document unless you physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it 
 from the Source List and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the 
 apps that share documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the 
 iOS version of the document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable 
 format.
 
 If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back 
 into iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  
 I, primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my 
 documents are always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are 
 things like christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out 
 and about away from a Mac.
 
 Hope this helps and is clear enough.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at 
> once but have had no response yet.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and 
>> onto other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there 
>> but I don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my 
>> iDisk, or in another folder.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
>> world!
>> 
>> Marlaina Lieberg
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: a list of accessible apps?

[Johnny Angel!]

Hi again Mike,

Thanks for these links for the list.  I am familiar with both programs.  Bible 
Gateway does indeed work well on both the Mac and Windows platforms.  Mac Sword 
however is another thing.  The program is now called Eloquent.  As of a couple 
of months ago, it was not easly accessible with VO.  But to be fair, I haven't 
looked at it recently.  Perhaps there's been a recent update that fixes it's 
inaccessibility issues.

As for a good, accessible Bible program for the I-Phone, Youversion looks 
promising.  The problem I have encountered is the troubling inaccessibility of 
the registration process via the I-Phone.  I understand that the work around is 
to register the use of the program via either a Mac or a Windows based 
computer.  I'll keep you updated on my progress with Youversion.

Johnny
On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:45 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:

> Johnny, hi.
> 
> A couple of things that come to mind for the Mac might be 
> www.biblegateway.com or MacSword.
> 
> Bible Gateway is an online service that works quite well with the Mac and 
> Safari.  MacSword can be used without the Internet, and you will find it at 
> www.icanworkthisthing.com.  I haven't used it, but I know that it is 
> accessible.  At www.icanworkthisthing.com you will also find instructions on 
> how to best use the programs with VoiceOver.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Mike
>   
> On 9,Jan,2012, at 12:43 AM, Johnny Angel! wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> Thanks for this!  I can't wait to get it on my I-Phone.
>> 
>> I'm wondering if anyone would know if this program would also work on the 
>> MacBook Pro as well?
>> 
>> Johnny
>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Michael Busboom wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, Johnny,
>>> 
>>> Although I haven't had a chance to spend too much time with a Bible program 
>>> that I have on my iPhone 4, I have been told by another blind iPhone user 
>>> that it is very, very accessible.
>>> 
>>> The Bible program is called "Youversion," and I believe that you will find 
>>> everything you need at www.youversion.com.
>>> 
>>> I hope that this works out for you.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> On 8,Jan,2012, at 3:49 AM, Johnny Angel! wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 Sorry about the multiple or redundent messages.  I recently got my 4S and 
 I was trying out using the dictation feature on it.  I didn't think the 
 first message went through to the list here, but obviously I was wrong.  
 And now you are saying, you had to post a third time about this?  Yep?  I 
 was so enamored  over the I-Phone, I forgot to tell you guys that I was 
 talking about looking for a Bible app for my I-phone 4S.
 
 Does anyone know about this app and it's accessibility or lack thereof?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Johnny
 
 On Jan 6, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Jessica wrote:
 
> Ok, what are half these aps, and where can I find info about them?
> - Original Message - From: "ezzie bueno" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 11:24 AM
> Subject: re: a list of accessible apps?
> 
> 
>> Hello Eric:
>> 
>> I have found the following apps to be accessible:
>> 
>> 2011 Multi-Media Encyclopedia
>> AIM
>> Breathing Zone
>> Catholic Calend
>> Constitution For Mac
>> Easy Ringtone Creator
>> Free Texting
>> Headache Log
>> Heltweetica
>> iAlarm
>> iMissal
>> Lecture Recorder
>> Lightning
>> Money Reader
>> Mornings
>> Music Healing
>> Nambu
>> Omniweb
>> Quotes for Facebook (somewhat accessible)
>> Relax Now
>> Smart Recorder Lite
>> Syrinx
>> Tinkertool
>> Trillian (Somewhat accessible, works perfectly as a chat client)
>> VirusBarrier Express
>> Wiki
>> World Capital Quiz (somewhat accessible once you tinker with it)
>> YoruFukurou
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Ezzie
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Eric Oyen > To: "[MacVisionaries]" > Date sent: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:00:01 -0700
>> Subject: a list of accessible apps?
>> 
>> hello everyone.
>> 
>> I recently saw a list of very accessible apps being passed around here. 
>> However, I have been unable to find it in my google archives.  if 
>> someone has it, please repost it.
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> -eric
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Re: Downloading and uncompressing bard books in mac

[Frank Tom]

You may have to learn to be a bit more patient.

When I download a BARD book, it first  appears  in the download file as a .Zip 
file. I then go and make myself a cup of tea. When I come back, the .zip file 
is gone and a collapsed file is in it's place. 
 Herb tea seems to work the best. Just joking.


Tom 
On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:06 PM, .dan. wrote:

> 
> Using terminal from within the browser lynx I downloaded a bard book. This is 
> the name of the file:
> 
> DB-Fleming,
> 
> Note it ends in a comma.  That is the author's name preceeded by "db".
> 
> It is my understanding that before one moves the contents to a flash drive 
> for use in the nls machine it must be uncompressed.
> 
> On a web page describing doing this in the mac gui it talks about "unzipping" 
> the book first.  I assume this is a generic reference because the file does 
> not indicate it is a "zip" file.  Renaming it with a zip extension doesn't 
> help when I use unzip on it.  The program says it is not a zip file.
> 
> I would like to perform all this in terminal if at all possible.  What 
> compression scheme is used and how can it be uncompressed?
> 
> Can the uncompression the mac gui uses be run from the command line?  Can the 
> open command be used with it somehow?  What is the name of the program?
> 
> Thanks for any info or help,
> 
> Dan
>   XB
>IC|XC
> 
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Re: Downloading and uncompressing bard books in mac

[Marlaina Lieberg]

LOL!  I do coca tea myself, LOL.  Actually, I have never had a problem with 
this.  I download a book and by the time I get my sd card into the Mac, binto, 
it's unzipped.

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On Jan 9, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Frank Tom wrote:

You may have to learn to be a bit more patient.

When I download a BARD book, it first  appears  in the download file as a .Zip 
file. I then go and make myself a cup of tea. When I come back, the .zip file 
is gone and a collapsed file is in it's place. 
Herb tea seems to work the best. Just joking.


Tom 
On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:06 PM, .dan. wrote:

> 
> Using terminal from within the browser lynx I downloaded a bard book. This is 
> the name of the file:
> 
> DB-Fleming,
> 
> Note it ends in a comma.  That is the author's name preceeded by "db".
> 
> It is my understanding that before one moves the contents to a flash drive 
> for use in the nls machine it must be uncompressed.
> 
> On a web page describing doing this in the mac gui it talks about "unzipping" 
> the book first.  I assume this is a generic reference because the file does 
> not indicate it is a "zip" file.  Renaming it with a zip extension doesn't 
> help when I use unzip on it.  The program says it is not a zip file.
> 
> I would like to perform all this in terminal if at all possible.  What 
> compression scheme is used and how can it be uncompressed?
> 
> Can the uncompression the mac gui uses be run from the command line?  Can the 
> open command be used with it somehow?  What is the name of the program?
> 
> Thanks for any info or help,
> 
> Dan
>  XB
>   IC|XC
> 
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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Marlaina Lieberg]

I cannot locate a mobile documents folder anywhere.  Where id you find it?

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On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

Hello Tim. I found the mobile documents folder but don't see how I can view the 
numbers document on the mac. 
On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> First, you must have OS X Lion.  Now, Lion, by default, hides the Library 
> folder in your Home Directory.  You can make it visible using the Terminal or 
> simply go up to the Go menu when in the Finder, make sure that you hold down 
> the Option key while navigating down the menu items, and right after the Home 
> item will be your Library folder.  Within that folder will be the Mobile 
> Documents folder.
> 
> If you are running less than Lion, this is not available.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-01-09, at 8:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> 
>> Hello Tim. I don't see the mobile documents folder on my mac. Can you tell 
>> me exactly how to access it?
>> 
>> Thanks so much.
>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
>>> complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you 
>>> are running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in 
>>> your Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder 
>>> is what iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use 
>>> the files between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud 
>>> account, then simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you 
>>> wish accessed by both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily 
>>> accessed by each Mac registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes 
>>> to the file while it's in that folder and it will more or less instantly be 
>>> changed within iCloud and thus changed on your other Mac.
>>> 
>>> Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
>>> Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
>>> types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides 
>>> in the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into 
>>> mobile Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any 
>>> other iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The 
>>> translation process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  So, 
>>> you'll need to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that document 
>>> unless you physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it from the 
>>> Source List and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the apps that 
>>> share documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the iOS 
>>> version of the document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable format.
>>> 
>>> If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back 
>>> into iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  
>>> I, primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my 
>>> documents are always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are 
>>> things like christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out and 
>>> about away from a Mac.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps and is clear enough.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at 
 once but have had no response yet.
 
 Kawal.
 On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> Hello all.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and onto 
> other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there but I 
> don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my iDisk, or 
> in another folder.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
> world!
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Downloading and uncompressing bard books in mac

[Emrah]

And just to answer the question, even though I have no idea what a Bard Book is:
Here is what you type on Terminal to copy your book to another volume.
cp -r "path-to-your-book" "/Volumes/name-of-your-volume"

I see you used Linx to download your book... If that is the case, then I cannot 
understand why your ZIP is not a ZIP anymore.
I would advise you to make sure you actually requested a download on the book 
itself, rather than the HTML page or directory pointing to it.

On the other hand, if Safari is what you used, well... As previously said, if 
your browser is set to open files after download, your original .zip has 
probably be already decompressed automatically. This would most likely be why 
you do not see the extension.zip.

Good luck
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On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> LOL!  I do coca tea myself, LOL.  Actually, I have never had a problem with 
> this.  I download a book and by the time I get my sd card into the Mac, 
> binto, it's unzipped.
> 
> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
> world!
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Frank Tom wrote:
> 
> You may have to learn to be a bit more patient.
> 
> When I download a BARD book, it first  appears  in the download file as a 
> .Zip file. I then go and make myself a cup of tea. When I come back, the .zip 
> file is gone and a collapsed file is in it's place. 
> Herb tea seems to work the best. Just joking.
> 
> 
> Tom 
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:06 PM, .dan. wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Using terminal from within the browser lynx I downloaded a bard book. This 
>> is the name of the file:
>> 
>> DB-Fleming,
>> 
>> Note it ends in a comma.  That is the author's name preceeded by "db".
>> 
>> It is my understanding that before one moves the contents to a flash drive 
>> for use in the nls machine it must be uncompressed.
>> 
>> On a web page describing doing this in the mac gui it talks about 
>> "unzipping" the book first.  I assume this is a generic reference because 
>> the file does not indicate it is a "zip" file.  Renaming it with a zip 
>> extension doesn't help when I use unzip on it.  The program says it is not a 
>> zip file.
>> 
>> I would like to perform all this in terminal if at all possible.  What 
>> compression scheme is used and how can it be uncompressed?
>> 
>> Can the uncompression the mac gui uses be run from the command line?  Can 
>> the open command be used with it somehow?  What is the name of the program?
>> 
>> Thanks for any info or help,
>> 
>> Dan
>> XB
>>  IC|XC
>> 
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Garageband and apple to the core podcast update

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi folks,

Sorry about the inconvenience.  You can now find my Apple to the core, and 
Getting started in Garageband podcasts at
www.appletothecore.info.  If you want to contact me privately about anything 
related to the site or the podcasts and blogs posted, you can e-mail at 
rica...@appletothecore.info.  Finally, if you want to follow on twitter, you 
can find a follow button on the site along with info to subscribe to the apple 
to the core podcast.

Thanks.

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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[John Panarese]

   It should be in your user library folder.  Try, ~library/mobile documents/

Take Care

John Panarese
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On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> I cannot locate a mobile documents folder anywhere.  Where id you find it?
> 
> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
> world!
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> 
> Hello Tim. I found the mobile documents folder but don't see how I can view 
> the numbers document on the mac. 
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> First, you must have OS X Lion.  Now, Lion, by default, hides the Library 
>> folder in your Home Directory.  You can make it visible using the Terminal 
>> or simply go up to the Go menu when in the Finder, make sure that you hold 
>> down the Option key while navigating down the menu items, and right after 
>> the Home item will be your Library folder.  Within that folder will be the 
>> Mobile Documents folder.
>> 
>> If you are running less than Lion, this is not available.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-01-09, at 8:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Tim. I don't see the mobile documents folder on my mac. Can you tell 
>>> me exactly how to access it?
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much.
>>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
 complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you 
 are running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder in 
 your Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This folder 
 is what iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to simply use 
 the files between two Macs that both are registered to the same iCloud 
 account, then simply create a folder in this folder and drop the files you 
 wish accessed by both Macs into it.  These files will now be easily 
 accessed by each Mac registered to your iCloud account.  Make any changes 
 to the file while it's in that folder and it will more or less instantly 
 be changed within iCloud and thus changed on your other Mac.
 
 Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
 Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other document 
 types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder that resides 
 in the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and translated into 
 mobile Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated using Pages on any 
 other iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud account.  The 
 translation process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS Pages app.  
 So, you'll need to continue simply using iOS devices to work with that 
 document unless you physically connect your iDevice to your Mac, select it 
 from the Source List and choose the Apps tab.  In the Table that lists the 
 apps that share documents in iTunes, select Pages.  You can then acces the 
 iOS version of the document, and then save it to your Mac in a usable 
 format.
 
 If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back 
 into iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work.  
 I, primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my 
 documents are always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are 
 things like christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out 
 and about away from a Mac.
 
 Hope this helps and is clear enough.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at 
> once but have had no response yet.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get files into the cloud and 
>> onto other devices?  I heard that if I use pages, files will go there 
>> but I don't know if it is necessary to save them somewhere like on my 
>> iDisk, or in another folder.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Reach within you, find the beauty of you, then share your light with the 
>> world!
>> 
>> Marlaina Lieberg
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Tim. I found the mobiledocuments folder. I don't know how to translate 
the iphone version to the mac version with ITunes, that's the missing piece for 
me.

On Jan 9, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> Try holding down your VO keys while going down the Go menu items.
> 
> Your assumption is sort of correct.  The problem arises when attempting to 
> open a document that has been changed into the iOS version.  This version is 
> not accessible to the Mac unless you translate it back using the iTunes 
> method and saving it to your Mac.  The process is more or less seamless if 
> you go from iDevice to iDevice or from Mac to Mac.  From Mac to iDevice is 
> not too difficult but a little more cumbersome when going from iDevice to 
> Mac.  All workable but Apple needs to do some work to make it more seamless 
> between iDevice and Mac.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-01-09, at 5:45 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> 
>> Hello Tim. I am running Lion. When I access the go menu in my finder and 
>> press the option key and use the up and down arrows I get a connect to 
>> server prompt. I must be missing something. I understand how to add items in 
>> the app sharing. I assume that when I change the file on the IOS device, it 
>> will automatically be updated in the mobile documents folder and when I 
>> update it in the mobile documents folder it will land in the cloud and be 
>> available to my device? 
>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> 
>>> First, you must have OS X Lion.  Now, Lion, by default, hides the Library 
>>> folder in your Home Directory.  You can make it visible using the Terminal 
>>> or simply go up to the Go menu when in the Finder, make sure that you hold 
>>> down the Option key while navigating down the menu items, and right after 
>>> the Home item will be your Library folder.  Within that folder will be the 
>>> Mobile Documents folder.
>>> 
>>> If you are running less than Lion, this is not available.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> On 2012-01-09, at 8:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Tim. I don't see the mobile documents folder on my mac. Can you tell 
 me exactly how to access it?
 
 Thanks so much.
 On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
> complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If you 
> are running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a folder 
> in your Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  This 
> folder is what iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing to 
> simply use the files between two Macs that both are registered to the 
> same iCloud account, then simply create a folder in this folder and drop 
> the files you wish accessed by both Macs into it.  These files will now 
> be easily accessed by each Mac registered to your iCloud account.  Make 
> any changes to the file while it's in that folder and it will more or 
> less instantly be changed within iCloud and thus changed on your other 
> Mac.
> 
> Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
> Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other 
> document types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder 
> that resides in the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and 
> translated into mobile Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated 
> using Pages on any other iDevice you've registered within the same iCloud 
> account.  The translation process makes it unreadable though by the MacOS 
> Pages app.  So, you'll need to continue simply using iOS devices to work 
> with that document unless you physically connect your iDevice to your 
> Mac, select it from the Source List and choose the Apps tab.  In the 
> Table that lists the apps that share documents in iTunes, select Pages.  
> You can then acces the iOS version of the document, and then save it to 
> your Mac in a usable format.
> 
> If you wish, you could then manipulate it on your Mac and place it back 
> into iCloud in the method outlined above.  Not perfect, but it does work. 
>  I, primarily, just use this between Macs so that the version of my 
> documents are always up to date.  The only ones I put into iOS Pages are 
> things like christmas lists and such that I want access to when I'm out 
> and about away from a Mac.
> 
> Hope this helps and is clear enough.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-01-03, at 1:41 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I have been asking this questions but about exporting a lot of files at 
>> once but have had no response yet.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:06 AM, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all.
>>> 

Re: Which of the two Mac Minis is best for media applications?

[Vic]

I was really looking for the best machine to deal with sound and video
editing and/or running software synthesizers.
But yeah, it seems like SSD + lots of RAM + I7 should do the trick.
Thanks,
Vic


Eric Oyen wrote:
> mac mini I7, 8 GB or more ram, SSD HDD greater than 250GB. that i7 needs to 
> have 4 cores at least. I used to do some video work and about the only 
> systems I had experience with were linux machines or a top of the line mac. I 
> tried this on a windows box and got so frustrated with how long a 2 hour 
> video would take to render, that I gave up on it.
>
> -eric
>
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:20 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
> > If you are looking for something to basically play movies and the like on a 
> > TV, then either would be more than adequate. If your looking for something 
> > to do video editing I'm not sure either would be the way to go. WHen I say 
> > video editing I am referring to actual video production work where 
> > horsepower, lots of ram, and drive space is necessary.
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> >
> >> Hello listers,
> >> Wanted to probe for your opinion regarding the two Mac Mini computers 
> >> below as far as media applications are concerned.
> >> First is the 2.5GHZ dual-core Intel I5 (can be configured to I7). Its 
> >> built-in SATA drives can also be exchanged for solid-state drives if 
> >> desired.
> >> Second is the 2.0GHZ quad-core Intel I7, aka Mac Mini Server, which can 
> >> also be configured to include solid-state drives instead of the built-in 
> >> SATA ones.
> >> Both machines have 4GB of RAM.
> >>
> >> Which of the two configurations do you thin would be best for media 
> >> applications?
> >>
> >> Thanks for any opinions.
> >> Best,
> >> Vic
> >>
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Re: Which of the two Mac Minis is best for media applications?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Why not just get a iMac?  More bang for your buck and the monitor is included.

Ricardo Walker
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On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Vic wrote:

> I was really looking for the best machine to deal with sound and video
> editing and/or running software synthesizers.
> But yeah, it seems like SSD + lots of RAM + I7 should do the trick.
> Thanks,
> Vic
> 
> 
> Eric Oyen wrote:
>> mac mini I7, 8 GB or more ram, SSD HDD greater than 250GB. that i7 needs to 
>> have 4 cores at least. I used to do some video work and about the only 
>> systems I had experience with were linux machines or a top of the line mac. 
>> I tried this on a windows box and got so frustrated with how long a 2 hour 
>> video would take to render, that I gave up on it.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:20 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are looking for something to basically play movies and the like on a 
>>> TV, then either would be more than adequate. If your looking for something 
>>> to do video editing I'm not sure either would be the way to go. WHen I say 
>>> video editing I am referring to actual video production work where 
>>> horsepower, lots of ram, and drive space is necessary.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>>> 
 Hello listers,
 Wanted to probe for your opinion regarding the two Mac Mini computers 
 below as far as media applications are concerned.
 First is the 2.5GHZ dual-core Intel I5 (can be configured to I7). Its 
 built-in SATA drives can also be exchanged for solid-state drives if 
 desired.
 Second is the 2.0GHZ quad-core Intel I7, aka Mac Mini Server, which can 
 also be configured to include solid-state drives instead of the built-in 
 SATA ones.
 Both machines have 4GB of RAM.
 
 Which of the two configurations do you thin would be best for media 
 applications?
 
 Thanks for any opinions.
 Best,
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Switching between message format alternatives in Apple Mail -- very useful!

[Victor Tsaran]

Thought some may enjoy this tip.
When you are reading messages in Apple Mail, you can switch between available 
alternative formats, like HTML and plain text or a hybrid of both, by pressing 
CMD+OPT+left or right brackets while inside the message.
I find this especially useful with complex HTML messages or when reading 
digests from discussion lists like this one.
Basically, open a message and then press CMD+OPT+left or right brackets to move 
between available format alternatives.
Very cool!

HTH,
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Re: Garageband and apple to the core podcast update

[Emrah]

Great podcasts, Ricardo.

Congrats and thanks!
On Jan 10, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Sorry about the inconvenience.  You can now find my Apple to the core, and 
> Getting started in Garageband podcasts at
> www.appletothecore.info.  If you want to contact me privately about anything 
> related to the site or the podcasts and blogs posted, you can e-mail at 
> rica...@appletothecore.info.  Finally, if you want to follow on twitter, you 
> can find a follow button on the site along with info to subscribe to the 
> apple to the core podcast.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
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Re: Getting files into the cloud

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Paul,

Sorry, I missed a step in my previous messages.  You'll need to open your 
document on your iPhone first, then do the following:

1.  Double-tap the Tools button in the document.
2.  Double-tap the Share and Print button.
3.  Double-tap the Copy to iTunes button.

Now, it will show up in your iTunes docs.

4.  Connect your iPhone to your Mac with the USB cable.
5.  Select your iPhone from the Sources List.
6.  Select the Apps tab.
7.  Interact with the Scroll area and navigate to the Sharable Apps Table.
8.  Interact with it and select Pages or Numbers, whichever kind of doc you're 
hoping to translate.
9.  Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate to the Shared Documents Table.
10.  Interact with it and select the document you wish to translate.
11. Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate to the Save to button, press 
it.

Now you can save it as a Pages document, a pdf or a Word document to your Mac.

As I've mentioned, this is the area where I believe that Apple needs to improve 
its iCloud integration.  The process works but is not as seamless as the iCloud 
experience should be.

HTH.

Later...

On 2012-01-09, at 8:29 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Tim. I found the mobiledocuments folder. I don't know how to translate 
> the iphone version to the mac version with ITunes, that's the missing piece 
> for me.
> 
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> Try holding down your VO keys while going down the Go menu items.
>> 
>> Your assumption is sort of correct.  The problem arises when attempting to 
>> open a document that has been changed into the iOS version.  This version is 
>> not accessible to the Mac unless you translate it back using the iTunes 
>> method and saving it to your Mac.  The process is more or less seamless if 
>> you go from iDevice to iDevice or from Mac to Mac.  From Mac to iDevice is 
>> not too difficult but a little more cumbersome when going from iDevice to 
>> Mac.  All workable but Apple needs to do some work to make it more seamless 
>> between iDevice and Mac.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-01-09, at 5:45 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Tim. I am running Lion. When I access the go menu in my finder and 
>>> press the option key and use the up and down arrows I get a connect to 
>>> server prompt. I must be missing something. I understand how to add items 
>>> in the app sharing. I assume that when I change the file on the IOS device, 
>>> it will automatically be updated in the mobile documents folder and when I 
>>> update it in the mobile documents folder it will land in the cloud and be 
>>> available to my device? 
>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Paul,
 
 First, you must have OS X Lion.  Now, Lion, by default, hides the Library 
 folder in your Home Directory.  You can make it visible using the Terminal 
 or simply go up to the Go menu when in the Finder, make sure that you hold 
 down the Option key while navigating down the menu items, and right after 
 the Home item will be your Library folder.  Within that folder will be the 
 Mobile Documents folder.
 
 If you are running less than Lion, this is not available.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2012-01-09, at 8:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
 
> Hello Tim. I don't see the mobile documents folder on my mac. Can you 
> tell me exactly how to access it?
> 
> Thanks so much.
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Moving the files from your Mac to iCloud is reasonably painless.  The 
>> complications arise when going from your iDevice back to the Mac.  If 
>> you are running Lion, and have subscribed to iCloud, then there is a 
>> folder in your Home Directory's Library folder named "Mobile Documents"  
>> This folder is what iCloud uses to share documents.  If you are wishing 
>> to simply use the files between two Macs that both are registered to the 
>> same iCloud account, then simply create a folder in this folder and drop 
>> the files you wish accessed by both Macs into it.  These files will now 
>> be easily accessed by each Mac registered to your iCloud account.  Make 
>> any changes to the file while it's in that folder and it will more or 
>> less instantly be changed within iCloud and thus changed on your other 
>> Mac.
>> 
>> Now, the complication I mentioned has to do with opening the file within 
>> Pages on your iDevice.  If you place a Word, Pages or a few other 
>> document types into the Documents folder in the com~apple~pages folder 
>> that resides in the Mobile Documents folder, it can be accessed and 
>> translated into mobile Pages.  then it can be accessed and manipulated 
>> using Pages on any other iDevice you've registered within the same 
>> iCloud account.  The translation process makes it unreadable though by 
>> the MacO

Re: Garageband and apple to the core podcast update

[Ricardo Walker]

Thanks for the kind words.  I had fun doing them, and I'm happy people can put 
them to good use.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:13 AM, Emrah wrote:

> Great podcasts, Ricardo.
> 
> Congrats and thanks!
> On Jan 10, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Sorry about the inconvenience.  You can now find my Apple to the core, and 
>> Getting started in Garageband podcasts at
>> www.appletothecore.info.  If you want to contact me privately about anything 
>> related to the site or the podcasts and blogs posted, you can e-mail at 
>> rica...@appletothecore.info.  Finally, if you want to follow on twitter, you 
>> can find a follow button on the site along with info to subscribe to the 
>> apple to the core podcast.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
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Re: A truly frustrating issue

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Richard,

One thing that hasn't yet been suggested is initialising the PRAM. To do this, 
shut down your machine, then hold down the Command, Option, letter P and letter 
R keys and press the Power key. Keep holding down the four keys until you've 
heard the start up chime at least 3 times. Then release them and the machine 
will boot as usual.

This procedure can cure all kinds of strange behaviour.

Cheers,

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Re: Garageband and apple to the core podcast update

[Jürgen Fleger]

Yes Ricardo, great work. Thanks for that. Who ever made a Podcast knows it's 
not that easy and needs a lot of time and work.

All the best
Jürgen

Am 10.01.2012 um 06:52 schrieb Ricardo Walker:

> Thanks for the kind words.  I had fun doing them, and I'm happy people can 
> put them to good use.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
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> On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:13 AM, Emrah wrote:
> 
>> Great podcasts, Ricardo.
>> 
>> Congrats and thanks!
>> On Jan 10, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> Sorry about the inconvenience.  You can now find my Apple to the core, and 
>>> Getting started in Garageband podcasts at
>>> www.appletothecore.info.  If you want to contact me privately about 
>>> anything related to the site or the podcasts and blogs posted, you can 
>>> e-mail at rica...@appletothecore.info.  Finally, if you want to follow on 
>>> twitter, you can find a follow button on the site along with info to 
>>> subscribe to the apple to the core podcast.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
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