Turning Off Auto Complete In Safari's Address Bar

[Gavin]

Hi guys,

How do I disable the auto complete in Safari's address bar in Lion? It really 
annoys me.

Regards,

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Dragon Express Introductory pricing

[Garth Humphreys]

HI 

I noticed that Dragon Dictate has an express version in the app store at the 
moment for the introductory pricing of about $50.  Does anyone know how well 
this works or if it is compatible with VO? 

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Re: Turning Off Auto Complete In Safari's Address Bar

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Gavin!
If you go to safari pref's [command+comma] interact with the tool bar and 
select the auto fill button there is a check box for both options!
Try unchecking either both or the one that is!
hth Colin

On 12 Nov 2011, at 09:20, Gavin wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> How do I disable the auto complete in Safari's address bar in Lion? It really 
> annoys me.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: Facebook

[David Eagle]

I would suggest writing to Facebook but that's a whole challenge in itself. I 
know a lot of blind people who use the mobile Facebook site on their computers, 
so this is really going to frustrate a lot of people. I wonder if Facebook do 
it on purpose. Perhaps that will be in the sequel to that film all about the 
making of Facebook. We'll discover in the next film that the founder of 
Facebook once asked a blind girl out at school, only to be rebuffed. He then 
came home to find that his parents had been murdered by an evil blind man. From 
that day on, he swore that he would get revenge and  make a social networking 
site that was deliberately as inaccessible for blind people as possible. 
Goodness knows why they didn't put this in the film; it was a bit of an 
oversight, but that's just typical hollywood. 

What is so frustrating about this is that the mobile site was so accessible. 
They're also doing image statuses now as well, so blind people can't see 
people's statuses because they're not always text. 

There must be a way that you can force Facebook to open the mobile site on your 
computer. Perhaps a Google search will yield something positive.  


On 12 Nov 2011, at 07:34, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

> David,
> 
> Yeah, it's really frustrating.
> The problem is that I use Facebook a lot :P
> Unfortunately, they don't even have any accessible apps for using Facebook.
> 
> 
> On 12/11/2011, David Eagle  wrote:
>> Yes, I've just checked on my Mac and it's doing the same thing. they can't
>> leave anything alone can they? I don't really use the damn thing anyway.
>> 
>> On 11 Nov 2011, at 18:06, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a question about Facebook.
>>> Whenever I try using m.facebook.com on my MacBook, I am redirected to the
>>> main Facebook site.
>>> So, how can I use the mobile version of Facebook on my Mac?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Rahul
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Re: Turning Off Auto Complete In Safari's Address Bar

[Gavin]

Hi Colin,

All 3 check boxes are related to web forms. I can't find anything that talks 
about the address bar.

Regards,

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On 12 Nov 2011, at 1:20 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi Gavin!
> If you go to safari pref's [command+comma] interact with the tool bar and 
> select the auto fill button there is a check box for both options!
> Try unchecking either both or the one that is!
> hth Colin
> 
> On 12 Nov 2011, at 09:20, Gavin wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> How do I disable the auto complete in Safari's address bar in Lion? It 
>> really annoys me.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gavin
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Re: Facebook

[Gavin]

Since when has the Facebook mobile site redirected people to the main site? 
I've just visited the mobile site on my Mac, and it works perfectly.

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On 12 Nov 2011, at 1:43 PM, David Eagle wrote:

> I would suggest writing to Facebook but that's a whole challenge in itself. I 
> know a lot of blind people who use the mobile Facebook site on their 
> computers, so this is really going to frustrate a lot of people. I wonder if 
> Facebook do it on purpose. Perhaps that will be in the sequel to that film 
> all about the making of Facebook. We'll discover in the next film that the 
> founder of Facebook once asked a blind girl out at school, only to be 
> rebuffed. He then came home to find that his parents had been murdered by an 
> evil blind man. From that day on, he swore that he would get revenge and  
> make a social networking site that was deliberately as inaccessible for blind 
> people as possible. Goodness knows why they didn't put this in the film; it 
> was a bit of an oversight, but that's just typical hollywood. 
> 
> What is so frustrating about this is that the mobile site was so accessible. 
> They're also doing image statuses now as well, so blind people can't see 
> people's statuses because they're not always text. 
> 
> There must be a way that you can force Facebook to open the mobile site on 
> your computer. Perhaps a Google search will yield something positive.  
> 
> 
> On 12 Nov 2011, at 07:34, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
> 
>> David,
>> 
>> Yeah, it's really frustrating.
>> The problem is that I use Facebook a lot :P
>> Unfortunately, they don't even have any accessible apps for using Facebook.
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/11/2011, David Eagle  wrote:
>>> Yes, I've just checked on my Mac and it's doing the same thing. they can't
>>> leave anything alone can they? I don't really use the damn thing anyway.
>>> 
>>> On 11 Nov 2011, at 18:06, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a question about Facebook.
 Whenever I try using m.facebook.com on my MacBook, I am redirected to the
 main Facebook site.
 So, how can I use the mobile version of Facebook on my Mac?
 
 Cheers,
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iPhone update

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys.
I did an update to my iPhone last night directly to the iPhone. I had a problem 
I need to tell you guys about, and I need to contact Apple about this also. My 
sighted husband had already gotten his update to work, so I started mine. My 
phone was happy to download the program, no problem. But when it came time to 
install it, I got an error. My husband had the idea to turn VoiceOver off. That 
worked.

However, you can't just turn VoiceO ver off and it goes on its merry way. He 
had to go to settings and then start things again. This means that those of us 
with no vision can't do our own update. directly to the iPhone. I was concerned 
that the new update would kill VoiceOver because of that, but it came back ok. 
So, those of you with no vision and no sighted friends around at the time you 
want to do your update might want to use iTunes instead.

Regards,
Gigi
 

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RE: iPhone update

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

That's not true at all. There are several people on this list that have
reported their updates on the phone itself going fine with VoiceOver on,
including mine. 
I don't know what kind of error you got, but a lot of us at least on the
ViPhone list updated successfully.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone update

Hi guys.
I did an update to my iPhone last night directly to the iPhone. I had a
problem I need to tell you guys about, and I need to contact Apple about
this also. My sighted husband had already gotten his update to work, so I
started mine. My phone was happy to download the program, no problem. But
when it came time to install it, I got an error. My husband had the idea to
turn VoiceOver off. That worked.

However, you can't just turn VoiceO ver off and it goes on its merry way. He
had to go to settings and then start things again. This means that those of
us with no vision can't do our own update. directly to the iPhone. I was
concerned that the new update would kill VoiceOver because of that, but it
came back ok. So, those of you with no vision and no sighted friends around
at the time you want to do your update might want to use iTunes instead.

Regards,
Gigi
 

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Re: Facebook

[David Eagle]

Hi, it says in the address bar (or whatever it's called on the Mac) that it's 
the mobile site, but it quite clearly isn't. Instead of getting things like 
notifications, messages etc we now get the stupid numbers at the top that don't 
announce themselves as links and don't tell you what they actually are. the 
first one appears to bee friend requests, so I discovered when clicking on it. 
I am in the UK and it's definitely not showing what used to be the mobile site, 
unless they've changed that too. I can't tell you when it changed because I 
don't really use Facebook, so this is the first time I've been on it for a 
while.

On 12 Nov 2011, at 11:50, Gavin wrote:

> Since when has the Facebook mobile site redirected people to the main site? 
> I've just visited the mobile site on my Mac, and it works perfectly.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> On 12 Nov 2011, at 1:43 PM, David Eagle wrote:
> 
>> I would suggest writing to Facebook but that's a whole challenge in itself. 
>> I know a lot of blind people who use the mobile Facebook site on their 
>> computers, so this is really going to frustrate a lot of people. I wonder if 
>> Facebook do it on purpose. Perhaps that will be in the sequel to that film 
>> all about the making of Facebook. We'll discover in the next film that the 
>> founder of Facebook once asked a blind girl out at school, only to be 
>> rebuffed. He then came home to find that his parents had been murdered by an 
>> evil blind man. From that day on, he swore that he would get revenge and  
>> make a social networking site that was deliberately as inaccessible for 
>> blind people as possible. Goodness knows why they didn't put this in the 
>> film; it was a bit of an oversight, but that's just typical hollywood. 
>> 
>> What is so frustrating about this is that the mobile site was so accessible. 
>> They're also doing image statuses now as well, so blind people can't see 
>> people's statuses because they're not always text. 
>> 
>> There must be a way that you can force Facebook to open the mobile site on 
>> your computer. Perhaps a Google search will yield something positive.  
>> 
>> 
>> On 12 Nov 2011, at 07:34, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> Yeah, it's really frustrating.
>>> The problem is that I use Facebook a lot :P
>>> Unfortunately, they don't even have any accessible apps for using Facebook.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/11/2011, David Eagle  wrote:
 Yes, I've just checked on my Mac and it's doing the same thing. they can't
 leave anything alone can they? I don't really use the damn thing anyway.
 
 On 11 Nov 2011, at 18:06, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a question about Facebook.
> Whenever I try using m.facebook.com on my MacBook, I am redirected to the
> main Facebook site.
> So, how can I use the mobile version of Facebook on my Mac?
> 
> Cheers,
> Rahul
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Re: Search in Apple Mail

[David Eagle]

Hi, I'm on about using the search facility in Apple Mail. You press command 
Option F, type your query and then scroll down for results. I find the message 
I want but then can't read it. I know how to read messages ordinarily with 
Apple Mail, which hopefully I have demonstrated by reading your message and 
replying to it. It's just the search feature which doesn't seem useable. 

Thanks

On 12 Nov 2011, at 01:32, Chad King wrote:

> Hi David.
> I'm assuming you are viewing messages in the messages table. I usually just 
> press enter when I get to the message I want and Voiceover reads the full 
> message to me.
> Of course there's also interacting with the message content table, then 
> pressing down arrow once, and Voiceover should   read the message.
> If there is more than one message in a thread, its much the same way. The 
> latest message will come first then you down arrow through each previous 
> message in the thread.
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 7:06 PM, David Eagle wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I'm in the search facility in Apple Mail in Lion activated by command 
>> option F. I can find the messages I want to read no problem but then I can't 
>> read them fully. I've tried VO Space, Command O, VO Shift M, I've tried 
>> interacting with the messages, I've pressed enter … but nothing.  Any ideas?
>> It's all very wel and good beeing able to find what you want but then it's a 
>> bit pointless if you can't then read it. Any ideas?
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attaching songs to emails

[Gerry Cook]

Hi everyone, how could i send music files to friends via email that i have in 
my music folder I only want, to send 1 or 2 songs. having experimented, 
emailing 1 song out of the music folder, to myself I'm wondering why it 
wouldn't work and i couldn't get to song to play back, any help would be much 
appreciated! thanks.

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Re: attaching songs to emails

[Ray Foret Jr]

Forst, that depends on how large of a file your e-mail server can take.  I 
would be hesitant to try anything over 15Mb.  Usually, though, it's actually 
more like 10.  I'd prefer to use either Drop Box or some third party server to 
do that since the files can be much larger than 15Mb.

Let's say, though, that you have a file small enough and you know your e-mail 
server can handle it.

There are a number of ways to attach it to your message.

1.  Navigate to the file and, from the finder menu, select services.  Now, 
choose "attachment to new e-mail message"  What will happen is that mail will 
open with a new message created and your file already attached.  You just need 
to fill in the headers appropriately.

2.  Navigate to the file and then press command+c to copy it.  then, open mail 
and make a new message, filling in the headers like always.  Then, in the body 
of the message, press command+v to paste the file.  Then send.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:55 AM, Gerry Cook wrote:

> Hi everyone, how could i send music files to friends via email that i have in 
> my music folder I only want, to send 1 or 2 songs. having experimented, 
> emailing 1 song out of the music folder, to myself I'm wondering why it 
> wouldn't work and i couldn't get to song to play back, any help would be much 
> appreciated! thanks.
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Re: Facebook

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

Hey; in recent posts its just been apple users with problems.  could  
we hear from some windows users about their experiences.  I do wish  
they would pick a format and stick to it.  then at least we might get  
a 3rd party app that would handle it for us.  take care, max

On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:43 AM, David Eagle wrote:

I would suggest writing to Facebook but that's a whole challenge in  
itself. I know a lot of blind people who use the mobile Facebook  
site on their computers, so this is really going to frustrate a lot  
of people. I wonder if Facebook do it on purpose. Perhaps that will  
be in the sequel to that film all about the making of Facebook.  
We'll discover in the next film that the founder of Facebook once  
asked a blind girl out at school, only to be rebuffed. He then came  
home to find that his parents had been murdered by an evil blind  
man. From that day on, he swore that he would get revenge and  make  
a social networking site that was deliberately as inaccessible for  
blind people as possible. Goodness knows why they didn't put this in  
the film; it was a bit of an oversight, but that's just typical  
hollywood.


What is so frustrating about this is that the mobile site was so  
accessible. They're also doing image statuses now as well, so blind  
people can't see people's statuses because they're not always text.


There must be a way that you can force Facebook to open the mobile  
site on your computer. Perhaps a Google search will yield something  
positive.



On 12 Nov 2011, at 07:34, Rahul Bajaj wrote:


David,

Yeah, it's really frustrating.
The problem is that I use Facebook a lot :P
Unfortunately, they don't even have any accessible apps for using  
Facebook.



On 12/11/2011, David Eagle  wrote:
Yes, I've just checked on my Mac and it's doing the same thing.  
they can't
leave anything alone can they? I don't really use the damn thing  
anyway.


On 11 Nov 2011, at 18:06, Rahul Bajaj wrote:


Hi all,

I have a question about Facebook.
Whenever I try using m.facebook.com on my MacBook, I am  
redirected to the

main Facebook site.
So, how can I use the mobile version of Facebook on my Mac?

Cheers,
Rahul

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Re: How do I get to mail from the doc quickly

[Jennifer Perdue]

Thanks so much.  Have a great weekend.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Nov 11, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Jennifer and Kevin,
> 
> When you navigate to the dock, menus, or the sidebars of windows, and press 
> the first few letters of the name of an element, focus moves to the first 
> match.   In the example Jennifer gave, that means that when she moves to the 
> dock with VO-D or Control-F3, and presses "m", she'll move to the first 
> application with a name beginning with "m".  Kevin is correct that typing "m 
> a" quickly will work, since focus will be moved to the first application with 
> a name beginning with "m a".
> 
> However, you can reorder applications in the dock.  Once you are focused on 
> an application or folder in the dock, such as the Mail application, press 
> Command+Option+Left Arrow and you'll hear VoiceOver announce "Move to left 
> of" .  You can continue to 
> hold down the Command and Option keys and tap the Left arrow (or Right arrow) 
> key to move the application, in this case "Mail", to the left of "Mission 
> Control".  This keyboard shortcut of Command+Option+Left or Right Arrow key 
> works in OS X, independently of VoiceOver.  In earlier versions of the 
> operating system, you could use this to reorder the dock, but VoiceOver 
> wouldn't announce that you were moving the app, and you would have to use 
> VO+Right arrow or VO+Left arrow to check the new placement.
> 
> Kevin's suggestion of turning on Keyboard Commander in VoiceOver Utility and 
> pressing Option+M to launch mail is also a good one.  (Note that you specify 
> whether you press the right or left option key when you turn on Keyboard 
> Commander, and by default you would have to press Right Option+M to launch 
> mail unless you changed this.)  However, if you actively use mail, you can 
> simply press Command+Tab to switch among your currently active applications.  
> (Command+Shift+Tab also works to cycle through your active applications in 
> the reverse direction).
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 08:08, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
>> I type "ma" quickly and that works from the  dock. Alternatively, if you 
>> have keyboard  commander turned on, press Option M to launch mail. Or, you 
>> could also set up a trackpad commander shortcut to launch it quickly. 
>> 
>> 
>> Kevin
>> On 2011-11-11, at 11:52 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>> 
>>> When I go to the doc from lion I press M for mail and get mission control 
>>> (Whatever that is), and then press A hoping it will go to mail.  That 
>>> doesn't work.  How can I get to mail quicker than just arrowing to it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
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Re: How do I get to mail from the doc quickly

[Jennifer Perdue]

Thanks.  I did it a little faster and got mail.  Thanks again for your help.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:

> Hi Jennifer,
> 
> After you typed an M, if you wait a few seconds and type an A, you'll land on 
> an app starting with the letter A.  This is why you need to type successive 
> letters quickly until you hear what you want to activate.
> 
> Les
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
>> I try that and it goes to mission control and then something else that 
>> starts with an A.  Am I doing something wrong?
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote:
>> 
>>> Jennifer,
>>> Just start typing in mail when you are in the dock and press enter when you 
>>> hear VoiceOver say "Mail".
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 When I go to the doc from lion I press M for mail and get mission control 
 (Whatever that is), and then press A hoping it will go to mail.  That 
 doesn't work.  How can I get to mail quicker than just arrowing to it.
 
 Thanks for your help.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Nov 9, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 
> Karon,
> 
> I have found that most PDF files are not readable using voiceover in OS 
> X. this doesn't mean all of them are inaccessible, but it appears that a 
> vast majority are imported graphic files in a container.
> 
> as for captchas, I find them nearly impossible to solve, and some sites 
> that have audio captchas, the audio will not play under safari and some 
> others are severely distorted. couple this with the fact that mozilla 
> firefox isn't accessible using voiceover, that certain captcha solving 
> plugins are also inaccessible (and no such plugins are available for 
> safari that I know of). since I am not a windows user, nor do I wish to 
> spend large sums of money to do so, I am not inclined to use microsoft 
> based products. This means that I am also limited in how I do some things 
> on the net (especially where visually based security is concerned.
> 
> -eric 
> On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> For reasons that are complicated to explain I have the ear of the legal 
>> department at paypal -ebay.  Part of the reason is that, as some of you 
>> may know, they are *requiring* all users to agree that that they read 
>> pdf files, or they will lose their account.  Because of this and some 
>> other access issues with paypal and ebay, i have been asked to document 
>> why things like pdf and captcha are issues for those using adaptive 
>> tools.  I have told them already that to assume everyone is using jaws 
>> is impractical, and that still browsers like lynx, with its recent 
>> edition  dated June 2011, are good foundations for access.  I have 
>> shared that pdf reaains a hurtle, and captcha is flat out an issue, as 
>> is stuff like flash.
>> because they are serious though I want to make maximum use of this 
>> opportunity.  What I would welcome is article information, places that 
>> discuss why pdf for example and captcha remain barriers.  Likewise posts 
>> from you if you have met with issues with either service would be 
>> welcome. I want them to fix this for everyone, not just sweep me under 
>> the corporate rug.  That they are shifting all document responsibility t 
>> the end user is disturbing, since if you have an issue say with 
>> security, you will bare the blame for any discrepancies in documentation.
>> 
>> Additionally, if part of your professional life is access, share under 
>> your professional umbrella.  If I get enough research responses, i will 
>> construct a solid document for them, and include as many other people as 
>> I can.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Karen
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Re: iPhone update

[Paul Hunt]

Mine worked just fine.

On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:11 AM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> That's not true at all. There are several people on this list that have
> reported their updates on the phone itself going fine with VoiceOver on,
> including mine. 
> I don't know what kind of error you got, but a lot of us at least on the
> ViPhone list updated successfully.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 5:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone update
> 
> Hi guys.
> I did an update to my iPhone last night directly to the iPhone. I had a
> problem I need to tell you guys about, and I need to contact Apple about
> this also. My sighted husband had already gotten his update to work, so I
> started mine. My phone was happy to download the program, no problem. But
> when it came time to install it, I got an error. My husband had the idea to
> turn VoiceOver off. That worked.
> 
> However, you can't just turn VoiceO ver off and it goes on its merry way. He
> had to go to settings and then start things again. This means that those of
> us with no vision can't do our own update. directly to the iPhone. I was
> concerned that the new update would kill VoiceOver because of that, but it
> came back ok. So, those of you with no vision and no sighted friends around
> at the time you want to do your update might want to use iTunes instead.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
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Re: How do I get to mail from the doc quickly

[Jennifer Perdue]

Thank you.  Hope you have a great weekend.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Nov 11, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Bill Holton wrote:

> Easiest way for me is to just press command space, type mail and press
> enter.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 3:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How do I get to mail from the doc quickly
> 
> Hi Jennifer,
> 
> After you typed an M, if you wait a few seconds and type an A, you'll land
> on an app starting with the letter A.  This is why you need to type
> successive letters quickly until you hear what you want to activate.
> 
> Les
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
>> I try that and it goes to mission control and then something else that
> starts with an A.  Am I doing something wrong?
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote:
>> 
>>> Jennifer,
>>> Just start typing in mail when you are in the dock and press enter when
> you hear VoiceOver say "Mail".
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 When I go to the doc from lion I press M for mail and get mission
> control (Whatever that is), and then press A hoping it will go to mail.
> That doesn't work.  How can I get to mail quicker than just arrowing to it.
 
 Thanks for your help.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Nov 9, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 
> Karon,
> 
> I have found that most PDF files are not readable using voiceover in OS
> X. this doesn't mean all of them are inaccessible, but it appears that a
> vast majority are imported graphic files in a container.
> 
> as for captchas, I find them nearly impossible to solve, and some sites
> that have audio captchas, the audio will not play under safari and some
> others are severely distorted. couple this with the fact that mozilla
> firefox isn't accessible using voiceover, that certain captcha solving
> plugins are also inaccessible (and no such plugins are available for safari
> that I know of). since I am not a windows user, nor do I wish to spend large
> sums of money to do so, I am not inclined to use microsoft based products.
> This means that I am also limited in how I do some things on the net
> (especially where visually based security is concerned.
> 
> -eric 
> On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> For reasons that are complicated to explain I have the ear of the
> legal department at paypal -ebay.  Part of the reason is that, as some of
> you may know, they are *requiring* all users to agree that that they read
> pdf files, or they will lose their account.  Because of this and some other
> access issues with paypal and ebay, i have been asked to document why things
> like pdf and captcha are issues for those using adaptive tools.  I have told
> them already that to assume everyone is using jaws is impractical, and that
> still browsers like lynx, with its recent edition  dated June 2011, are good
> foundations for access.  I have shared that pdf reaains a hurtle, and
> captcha is flat out an issue, as is stuff like flash.
>> because they are serious though I want to make maximum use of this
> opportunity.  What I would welcome is article information, places that
> discuss why pdf for example and captcha remain barriers.  Likewise posts
> from you if you have met with issues with either service would be welcome. I
> want them to fix this for everyone, not just sweep me under the corporate
> rug.  That they are shifting all document responsibility t the end user is
> disturbing, since if you have an issue say with security, you will bare the
> blame for any discrepancies in documentation.
>> 
>> Additionally, if part of your professional life is access, share under
> your professional umbrella.  If I get enough research responses, i will
> construct a solid document for them, and include as many other people as I
> can.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Karen
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Re: iPhone update

[Kevin Mattingly]

I did the update last evening and had no issues. My phone is a 4S and I guess 
that could've made the difference.

Kev
On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I did an update to my iPhone last night directly to the iPhone. I had a 
> problem I need to tell you guys about, and I need to contact Apple about this 
> also. My sighted husband had already gotten his update to work, so I started 
> mine. My phone was happy to download the program, no problem. But when it 
> came time to install it, I got an error. My husband had the idea to turn 
> VoiceOver off. That worked.
> 
> However, you can't just turn VoiceO ver off and it goes on its merry way. He 
> had to go to settings and then start things again. This means that those of 
> us with no vision can't do our own update. directly to the iPhone. I was 
> concerned that the new update would kill VoiceOver because of that, but it 
> came back ok. So, those of you with no vision and no sighted friends around 
> at the time you want to do your update might want to use iTunes instead.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
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RE: iPhone update

[Daniel Miller]

I did the update on an iPad II, and an iPhone 4, with no issues. I really
don't think you need to contact apple for anything.


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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I did the update last evening and had no issues. My phone is a 4S and I
guess that could've made the difference.

Kev
On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I did an update to my iPhone last night directly to the iPhone. I had a
problem I need to tell you guys about, and I need to contact Apple about
this also. My sighted husband had already gotten his update to work, so I
started mine. My phone was happy to download the program, no problem. But
when it came time to install it, I got an error. My husband had the idea to
turn VoiceOver off. That worked.
> 
> However, you can't just turn VoiceO ver off and it goes on its merry way.
He had to go to settings and then start things again. This means that those
of us with no vision can't do our own update. directly to the iPhone. I was
concerned that the new update would kill VoiceOver because of that, but it
came back ok. So, those of you with no vision and no sighted friends around
at the time you want to do your update might want to use iTunes instead.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
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Re: iPhone update

[John Panarese]

 OK, I had a similar situation as Gigi, but it didn't seem to have anything 
to do with VoiceOver.  The download on my 4S went fine, but I received an error 
message when it started the process to update.  However, I just went back into 
settings and selected the update button in the software update setting.  That 
restarted the update process and it went fine with VoiceOver still turned on.

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



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> I did the update on an iPad II, and an iPhone 4, with no issues. I really
> don't think you need to contact apple for anything.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Mattingly
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:40 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone update
> 
> I did the update last evening and had no issues. My phone is a 4S and I
> guess that could've made the difference.
> 
> Kev
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> I did an update to my iPhone last night directly to the iPhone. I had a
> problem I need to tell you guys about, and I need to contact Apple about
> this also. My sighted husband had already gotten his update to work, so I
> started mine. My phone was happy to download the program, no problem. But
> when it came time to install it, I got an error. My husband had the idea to
> turn VoiceOver off. That worked.
>> 
>> However, you can't just turn VoiceO ver off and it goes on its merry way.
> He had to go to settings and then start things again. This means that those
> of us with no vision can't do our own update. directly to the iPhone. I was
> concerned that the new update would kill VoiceOver because of that, but it
> came back ok. So, those of you with no vision and no sighted friends around
> at the time you want to do your update might want to use iTunes instead.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
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Re: Search in Apple Mail

[Teresa Cochran]

Once you have a search result, stop interacting with the search area and find 
your way to the messages column. Interact with that, and you will find the 
search results listed as usual.

HTh,
Teresa

"Visualize whirled peas."

On Nov 12, 2011, at 4:31 AM, David Eagle wrote:

> Hi, I'm on about using the search facility in Apple Mail. You press command 
> Option F, type your query and then scroll down for results. I find the 
> message I want but then can't read it. I know how to read messages ordinarily 
> with Apple Mail, which hopefully I have demonstrated by reading your message 
> and replying to it. It's just the search feature which doesn't seem useable. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On 12 Nov 2011, at 01:32, Chad King wrote:
> 
>> Hi David.
>> I'm assuming you are viewing messages in the messages table. I usually just 
>> press enter when I get to the message I want and Voiceover reads the full 
>> message to me.
>> Of course there's also interacting with the message content table, then 
>> pressing down arrow once, and Voiceover should   read the message.
>> If there is more than one message in a thread, its much the same way. The 
>> latest message will come first then you down arrow through each previous 
>> message in the thread.
>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 7:06 PM, David Eagle wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, I'm in the search facility in Apple Mail in Lion activated by command 
>>> option F. I can find the messages I want to read no problem but then I 
>>> can't read them fully. I've tried VO Space, Command O, VO Shift M, I've 
>>> tried interacting with the messages, I've pressed enter … but nothing.  Any 
>>> ideas?
>>> It's all very wel and good beeing able to find what you want but then it's 
>>> a bit pointless if you can't then read it. Any ideas?
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Re: iPhone update

[Scott Howell]

I have no idea what happen in your case, but I updated two iPhones (4S), an 
iPad 2, and two first generation iPads with no issues. I updated my iPhone and 
my sighted wife's iPHone using VoiceOver and the iPad 2, and first gen iPad. 
THe second first gen iPad was done without VoiceOver. In every case the entire 
process went without a hitch.
So, I anticipate that most users will not have a problem.

On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I did an update to my iPhone last night directly to the iPhone. I had a 
> problem I need to tell you guys about, and I need to contact Apple about this 
> also. My sighted husband had already gotten his update to work, so I started 
> mine. My phone was happy to download the program, no problem. But when it 
> came time to install it, I got an error. My husband had the idea to turn 
> VoiceOver off. That worked.
> 
> However, you can't just turn VoiceO ver off and it goes on its merry way. He 
> had to go to settings and then start things again. This means that those of 
> us with no vision can't do our own update. directly to the iPhone. I was 
> concerned that the new update would kill VoiceOver because of that, but it 
> came back ok. So, those of you with no vision and no sighted friends around 
> at the time you want to do your update might want to use iTunes instead.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
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Help with audible, please?

[Wendy Alling]

Hello all,

Can someone give me some help with the audible app?  I have it installed on 
my phone but can't find where to purchase a book using the app on the phone. 
I have an account but don't have a plan set up.  Could that be the problem? 
Any tips would be most appreciated.  Thanks.

Wendy



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Re: Search in Apple Mail

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Teresa,
If you mark a hotspot first on the message table it becomes very quick going 
from search field to messages table. :)

Talk soon


Chuck
In GOD I TRUST!!!


On Nov 12, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Once you have a search result, stop interacting with the search area and find 
> your way to the messages column. Interact with that, and you will find the 
> search results listed as usual.
> 
> HTh,
> Teresa
> 
> "Visualize whirled peas."
> 
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 4:31 AM, David Eagle wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I'm on about using the search facility in Apple Mail. You press command 
>> Option F, type your query and then scroll down for results. I find the 
>> message I want but then can't read it. I know how to read messages 
>> ordinarily with Apple Mail, which hopefully I have demonstrated by reading 
>> your message and replying to it. It's just the search feature which doesn't 
>> seem useable. 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> On 12 Nov 2011, at 01:32, Chad King wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi David.
>>> I'm assuming you are viewing messages in the messages table. I usually just 
>>> press enter when I get to the message I want and Voiceover reads the full 
>>> message to me.
>>> Of course there's also interacting with the message content table, then 
>>> pressing down arrow once, and Voiceover should   read the message.
>>> If there is more than one message in a thread, its much the same way. The 
>>> latest message will come first then you down arrow through each previous 
>>> message in the thread.
>>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 7:06 PM, David Eagle wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, I'm in the search facility in Apple Mail in Lion activated by command 
 option F. I can find the messages I want to read no problem but then I 
 can't read them fully. I've tried VO Space, Command O, VO Shift M, I've 
 tried interacting with the messages, I've pressed enter … but nothing.  
 Any ideas?
 It's all very well and good beeing able to find what you want but then 
 it's a bit pointless if you can't then read it. Any ideas?
 
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Re: iPhone update

[James Mannion]

I did an update directly to the phone with an IPhone 4 and a 4s and
they both went fine with voiceover on. I suspect in your case it was
an error just like what has and will likely still happen in some cases
when doing it on ITunes. Likely what this tells us is that the over
the air update process has not eliminated the random errors that have
always occurred in updating. The only thing I noticed in both cases
was on the screen where you have to activate the I Agree button, when
that screen first came up, Voiceover did not see anything on the
screen for a few seconds during which time it acted like there was
nothing available or it couldn't read it. I think it also went silent
for a few seconds. Worried me the first time.

On 11/12/11, Scott Howell  wrote:
> I have no idea what happen in your case, but I updated two iPhones (4S), an
> iPad 2, and two first generation iPads with no issues. I updated my iPhone
> and my sighted wife's iPHone using VoiceOver and the iPad 2, and first gen
> iPad. THe second first gen iPad was done without VoiceOver. In every case
> the entire process went without a hitch.
> So, I anticipate that most users will not have a problem.
>
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>
>> Hi guys.
>> I did an update to my iPhone last night directly to the iPhone. I had a
>> problem I need to tell you guys about, and I need to contact Apple about
>> this also. My sighted husband had already gotten his update to work, so I
>> started mine. My phone was happy to download the program, no problem. But
>> when it came time to install it, I got an error. My husband had the idea
>> to turn VoiceOver off. That worked.
>>
>> However, you can't just turn VoiceO ver off and it goes on its merry way.
>> He had to go to settings and then start things again. This means that
>> those of us with no vision can't do our own update. directly to the
>> iPhone. I was concerned that the new update would kill VoiceOver because
>> of that, but it came back ok. So, those of you with no vision and no
>> sighted friends around at the time you want to do your update might want
>> to use iTunes instead.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>>
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Re: Help with audible, please?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

on the bottom of the app there should be a more books tab.  I think this will 
tell you to visit the audible sit on your device and might give you a link.  I 
can't remember.  Any which way, go to safari and go to the audible site.  Sign 
in and by the books you want.  Then go back into your audible app and download 
the purchased books from your audible library.  

Ricardo Walker
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On Nov 12, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Wendy Alling wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Can someone give me some help with the audible app?  I have it installed on 
> my phone but can't find where to purchase a book using the app on the phone. 
> I have an account but don't have a plan set up.  Could that be the problem? 
> Any tips would be most appreciated.  Thanks.
> Wendy
> 
> 
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Re: iPhone update

[Hypnotic Consulting]

I had a loss of speech issue.
my 4s was plugged into the wall. I hit the sleep button and a while later my 
son grabbed it to play, and he said there was no sounds.

And when I tried to turn vo on, nothing.
I restarted it and nothing.
I plugged it in and nothing.
it was recognized.
I restored it to an earlier backup and vo came on.
I'm guessing the update isn't an automatic thing?
that there's a pop up?
Jorge

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Mail Folders Question

[Kevin Mattingly]

Hey guys,

I used to have a personal folder in my list of mailboxes or folders. How do you 
find those folders again? 

Kev

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RE: iPhone update

[Daniel Miller]

It will download automatically, but will alert you when it's ready to
install, or you can trigger the download manually.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hypnotic Consulting
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Subject: Re: iPhone update

I had a loss of speech issue.
my 4s was plugged into the wall. I hit the sleep button and a while later my
son grabbed it to play, and he said there was no sounds.
And when I tried to turn vo on, nothing.
I restarted it and nothing.
I plugged it in and nothing.
it was recognized.
I restored it to an earlier backup and vo came on.
I'm guessing the update isn't an automatic thing?
that there's a pop up?
Jorge

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Re: solving visual captchas with mac and safari

[Johnny Angel!]

Hi all,

I saw this in the archives.  Is set up the same in Lion?

Thanks,

Johnny Chilelli
On Sep 10, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:

> Well, I have managed to avoid these things, but if it helps keyboard 
> commander is set up by default in Snow Leopard to have left-option-X send the 
> image in the VOICE-OVER cursor via mail.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> On Sep 10, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Anouk Radix wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, On the pc I could solve visual only captchas with either solona 
>> and ie (but often there was no operator online) or webvisum and firefox. Is 
>> there a way to solve visual captchas as a blind person on the mac? As far as 
>> I know firefox is still not accessible on the mac.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Lion, a lemon?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

change your account to pop on the gmail site.  This way when you set it up on 
the Mac, the correct information will be retrieved automatically.

Ricardo Walker
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On Nov 11, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:

> I tried to change it from imap to pop3 so hopefully that wouldn't happen, but 
> it keeps telling me to verify the account, even though I know the settings 
> are correct, and still doesn't want to connect to it after I've done that, 
> and closed out  it.  I tried removing and re-setting up the account numerouss 
> times, but nothing worked, and finally gave up, and it's still only showing 
> me my inbox and nothing else, so not sure what to make of that.
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Oh,
>> 
>> are uyou using pop for gmail?  That might be why you got all those old 
>> messages. 
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Jessica wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, the main reason I didn't like it, was because when I set up my gmail 
>>> acount, it decided to download about 3 months worth or more of mail that 
>>> I'd obviously already read, and in trying to delete it all, and in adition 
>>> to it telling me "mail busy," every few minuttes or so from me having to 
>>> delete over 1000 messages, all this was slowing my system down, so decided 
>>> to do away with it.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:02 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Lion, a lemon?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I agree.
>>> 
>>> I love the line preview in Mail.  And you can always turn it off.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>> 
 This is interesting and shows just how different we all are. I for one 
 think that the "reading of bits and pieces of messages", as you put it, is 
 really helpful. This determines if a message with a not so explanatory 
 subject line is worth my time or not. This, however is only me.
 /Krister
 
 11 nov 2011 kl. 02:11 skrev Jessica:
 
> I'm currently using that as well, and not sure what I think about it. I'm 
> not sure if it's unfamiliarity with the system itself, issues with the 
> OS, or a little of both, but I've kind of been struggling with it. 
> Perfect example, I just had a friend of mine help me make some changes to 
> my e-mail settings so I could sort through it easier and not have it 
> continuously read me bits and pieces of my messages before I'd even 
> opened them, and now for some reason unknown to me, it's now decided not 
> to display anything other than my inbox, so I have no idea if my trash 
> folder has been emptied or not.
> I've tried removing and readding the acount, only to have the same 
> issues, so don't know what to make of that.  I haven't really had the 
> busy signals with Safari all that much, but have it with Mail on a 
> somewhat regular basis.
> - Original Message -
> From: Missy Hoppe
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:48 AM
> Subject: RE: Lion, a lemon?
> 
> I agree with you a zillion percent. I still have lion installed on an 
> external drive, so try it out from time to time and update it whenever 
> possible, but for day to day use, I have no plans to ever abandon Snow 
> Leopard. I'm not an expert using that by any means, but at least it works 
> more reliably. The only application that seems to read a little bit 
> better for me under lion is skype, and since I'm not a huge skype fan in 
> the first place, that's not a big deal. I know it isn't possible, but I 
> wish I could get my $30 back from  lion, and if Lion had been my first 
> ever mac experience, I definitely would have returned or tried to sell my 
> macbook.
> Missy
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Lion, a lemon?
> 
> Hi all,
> I want to start off this post by saying that I installed Lion the day it 
> came out on my Macbook Pro. Before doing so, I made a time machine backup 
> of my Snow Leopard system, and I can't tell you how glad I am that I did. 
> I tried Lion for a week, and found it to be terribly buggy and not nearly 
> as intuitive to use as SL. I restored my computer back to SL, and have 
> continued using it since. Recently, a friend of mine got a brand new iMac 
> with Lion installed. He has been calling me asking for help understanding 
> how to do some very simple things. using the mail program

Re: Any accessible amateur astronomy app

[Esther]

Hi Subbu,

For some reason your original post requesting accessible amateur astronomy apps 
for the iPhone still hasn't shown up in my Inbox, although I've read Anna's 
reply, where she mentions both the NASA app and SkySafari Lite.  I'm cc'ing a 
copy of this response to the Macvisionaries list, so I can find it easily again 
with their archive search facility.   I'll point you to my detailed post 
describing SkySafari Lite's use with VoiceOver in the Macvisionaries secondary 
Mail Archive.  The current version of this basic app is named SkySafari 3, 
following a major version update in May. (And I'll also mention for Mac 
computer users that there are also versions of SkySafari for Mac OS X available 
in the Mac App Store.)

SkySafari 3 comes with a catalog of 120,000 stars, and 220 of the best known 
nebulae, galaxies, and star clusters.  There's also extensive background 
information about these targets from space missions and Hubble Space Telescope 
in the form of descriptive articles.  The app is also available in the 
SkySafari 3 Plus and SkySafari 3 Pro versions.  Basically, most of this app is 
directly accessible with VoiceOver, and the only part that you really can't use 
are the map representations displaying star charts on the screen -- the catalog 
information is all fine.  The articles contain embedded images that expand to 
enlarged views if double tapped.  You'll be able to identify these by the link 
image names, but if you double tap one of these by mistake, just double tap 
again in the center of your screen to leave the expanded image view and return 
to the article and your regular navigation.  Here's the link to the earlier 
post giving a more detailed exploration of the app:
iOS Astronomy Apps [was Re: Sun and Moon position?] 
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg44355.html

The Developer is Southern Stars, and their web site is:
http://www.southernstars.com/
If you are a dedicated amateur astronomer, you will probably want the SkySafari 
3 Plus version, which has a more extended catalog of stars, galaxies, 
asteroids, and solar system objects, and which can even performed wired or 
wireless control of telescopes through an additional adapter that can be 
purchased and plugged into the dock connector at the base of your iPhone, iPod 
Touch, or iPad. (Check the developer's web site for details about the supported 
telescope models.)  This means that size of the app is also larger -- regular 
version is about 52 MB, but the Plus version with a catalog of 2.5 million 
stars and 31,000 deep space objects is about 180 MB, and the Pro version with 
15.3 million stars, 740,000 galaxies, over 550,000 solar system objects 
including every comet ever discovered, takes up nearly half a GB, which is 
almost as much space as some GPS apps.

Personally, I would wait 5 days and check whether they drop the app prices for 
the occasion of the Leonid meteor shower (November 17, 2011).  They often 
discount the three app versions for specific events, and the basic app that 
lists for $2.99 may even go free at that time.


A couple of other free apps to check:
* Variable Stars (free) by Diatom Software LLC  
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/variable-stars/id405791918?mt=8
• AstroClock (free) by Diatom Software LLC
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/astroclock/id408289011?mt=8

Variable Stars is a mobile catalog of over 183,000 variable star positions and 
information about their properties.  Embedded images for articles only have the 
name descriptions, so pictures and plots won't be usable, but all the tabular 
data and basic catalogs, along with most article content, are all accessible 
with VoiceOver -- that's most of the app.

AstroClock is a clock tool for Amateur astronomers.  It continuously updates 
fields for local time, Greenwich Mean Time, Local Sidereal Time, and Julian 
Date, so in order to read these entries with VoiceOver, you want to move your 
finger up from the Home button and double tap the "Pause" button near the 
bottom of the screen before flicking to the time entries.  You can also access 
this button by doing a four finger tap at the bottom of the screen to move to 
the last element (this is the button for "Settings" in the bottom right corner 
of the screen -- VoiceOver announces this as "Gear, button"), and then flick 
left to the date, and then flick left again to the "Pause" button.  I find it 
easiest to just move my finger up from the "Home" button at the bottom until I 
hear "Pause, button" and double tap.  Then you can do a two-finger flick up to 
read all the time fields.  The "Pause" button turns into a "Resume" button once 
double tapped, so just double tap this again if you want to start time running 
again, and double tap the "Pause, button" when you want to stop things to read 
off the time.

Here are the links to the SkySafari 3 apps in the regular, plus, and pro 
versions, along with current prices:
• SkySafari 3 ($2.99) by Southern Skies:
h

Re: How do I get to mail from the doc quickly

[Rachel magario]

Janny,

I just created a shortcut to open mail for me in the  voice over utilities 
under key board commanders.
I chose the right option key to be my commander and I just do option m and that 
opens my mail, but you can choose whatever key you want. I thought this way it 
is super fast and I do only one short cut key instead of going to doc or to 
spot light search, although those are valid ways that I use for other 
applications I don't use as often as mail and safari.
HTH,
Rachel.

On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

> Thank you.  Hope you have a great weekend.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
>> Easiest way for me is to just press command space, type mail and press
>> enter.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 3:41 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How do I get to mail from the doc quickly
>> 
>> Hi Jennifer,
>> 
>> After you typed an M, if you wait a few seconds and type an A, you'll land
>> on an app starting with the letter A.  This is why you need to type
>> successive letters quickly until you hear what you want to activate.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>> 
>>> I try that and it goes to mission control and then something else that
>> starts with an A.  Am I doing something wrong?
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote:
>>> 
 Jennifer,
 Just start typing in mail when you are in the dock and press enter when
>> you hear VoiceOver say "Mail".
 
 On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
 
> When I go to the doc from lion I press M for mail and get mission
>> control (Whatever that is), and then press A hoping it will go to mail.
>> That doesn't work.  How can I get to mail quicker than just arrowing to it.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Nov 9, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> Karon,
>> 
>> I have found that most PDF files are not readable using voiceover in OS
>> X. this doesn't mean all of them are inaccessible, but it appears that a
>> vast majority are imported graphic files in a container.
>> 
>> as for captchas, I find them nearly impossible to solve, and some sites
>> that have audio captchas, the audio will not play under safari and some
>> others are severely distorted. couple this with the fact that mozilla
>> firefox isn't accessible using voiceover, that certain captcha solving
>> plugins are also inaccessible (and no such plugins are available for safari
>> that I know of). since I am not a windows user, nor do I wish to spend large
>> sums of money to do so, I am not inclined to use microsoft based products.
>> This means that I am also limited in how I do some things on the net
>> (especially where visually based security is concerned.
>> 
>> -eric 
>> On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> For reasons that are complicated to explain I have the ear of the
>> legal department at paypal -ebay.  Part of the reason is that, as some of
>> you may know, they are *requiring* all users to agree that that they read
>> pdf files, or they will lose their account.  Because of this and some other
>> access issues with paypal and ebay, i have been asked to document why things
>> like pdf and captcha are issues for those using adaptive tools.  I have told
>> them already that to assume everyone is using jaws is impractical, and that
>> still browsers like lynx, with its recent edition  dated June 2011, are good
>> foundations for access.  I have shared that pdf reaains a hurtle, and
>> captcha is flat out an issue, as is stuff like flash.
>>> because they are serious though I want to make maximum use of this
>> opportunity.  What I would welcome is article information, places that
>> discuss why pdf for example and captcha remain barriers.  Likewise posts
>> from you if you have met with issues with either service would be welcome. I
>> want them to fix this for everyone, not just sweep me under the corporate
>> rug.  That they are shifting all document responsibility t the end user is
>> disturbing, since if you have an issue say with security, you will bare the
>> blame for any discrepancies in documentation.
>>> 
>>> Additionally, if part of your professional life is access, share under
>> your professional umbrella.  If I get enough research responses, i will
>> construct a solid document for them, and include as many other people as I
>> can.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Karen
>>> 
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Preparing for clean lion install

[Missy Hoppe]

Good evening, all. I'm highly skeptical that this is going to do any good, but 
just because I want to say I've made the
effort, I'm getting ready to do a clean install of lion. While I'm doing all my 
prep work: cloning to external drives to make
sure I don't lose anything, I'm going to listen to Mike's podcast on Lion. I 
just wanted to write to the group, though,
because I'm curious how I'll go about putting back apps. Can I restore them 
from the cloned drives, or do I have to actually
reinstall things? More than anything else, I'm concerned about the Acapella 
voices I purchased to use with my mac, but
wouldn't mind tips about adium, skype and things of that nature. Also, how do I 
back up my Itunes purchases. Granted, I've
only made two of them, but I don't want to lose them. What about Growl and 
Yorufukuru? Will I just get those from the app
store again?
I've got 2 external drives handy, so I'm backing up not only my current lion 
install, but also my perfect and up-to-date SL
install. That way, if the clean install still isn't satisfactory, I can put 
everything back the way it was.
Any advice will be extremely appreciated. I just keep reminding myself that 
there's no way I can possibly render the mac
entirely useless, but I don't want to lose any apps, especially not ones that 
cost money. So, if anyone has any instructions
to share, I would be extremely greatful. Also, once I use my CD, will lion be 
able to update itself to 7.2?
OK. Sorry for the rambling, disjointed message. I just am trying this to give 
Lion another chance to get into my good graces.
Thank you all very much for your time, and I hope that everyone is having a 
great day!
Missy


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Re: iPod Touch

[Johnny Angel!]

Hi Everyone!

Wow!  What a goldmine in the Macvisionaries archives!  I have a question of my 
own about the I Pod touch and the I Pad 2.

This may be a silly question but, can you do everything on the I pod that you 
can do on the I Pad?  If not, what are some major differences between ;the two?

Johnny
On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Dean Adams wrote:

> Hi Rahul,
> Here is the keyboard info for using the apple bluetooth keyboard with 
> your Ipod touch or any other Apple device that accepts bluetooth keyboards.
> Regards Dean
> 
> VoiceOver using an Apple Wireless Keyboard
> 
> You can control VoiceOver using an Apple Wireless Keyboard paired with 
> iPhone. See Using an Apple Wireless Keyboard.
> 
> The VoiceOver keyboard commands let you navigate the screen, select items, 
> read screen contents, adjust the rotor, and perform other VoiceOver actions. 
> All the keyboard commands (except one) include Control-Option, abbreviated in 
> the table below as “VO.” 
> 
> VoiceOver Help speaks keys or keyboard commands as you type them. You can use 
> VoiceOver Help to learn the keyboard layout and the actions associated with 
> key combinations. 
> 
> VoiceOver Keyboard Commands
> 
> VO = Control-Option
> 
> Read all, starting from the current position
> 
> VO–A
> 
> Read from the top
> 
> VO–B
> 
> Move to the status bar
> 
> VO–M
> 
> Press the Home button
> 
> VO–H
> 
> Select the next or previous item
> 
> VO–Right Arrow or VO–Left Arrow
> 
> Tap an item
> 
> VO–Space bar
> 
> Double-tap with two fingers
> 
> VO–”-”
> 
> Choose the next or previous rotor item
> 
> VO–Up Arrow or VO–Down Arrow
> 
> Choose the next or previous speech rotor item
> 
> VO–Command–Left Arrow or VO–Command–Right Arrow
> 
> Adjust speech rotor item
> 
> VO–Command–Up Arrow or VO–Command–Down Arrow
> 
> Mute or unmute VoiceOver
> 
> VO–S
> 
> Turn the screen curtain on or off
> 
> VO–Shift-S
> 
> Turn on VoiceOver help
> 
> VO–K
> 
> Return to the previous screen, or turn off VoiceOver help
> 
> Escape
> 
> Quick Nav
> 
> Turn on Quick Nav to control VoiceOver using the arrow keys. Quick Nav is off 
> by default.
> 
> Turn Quick Nav on or off
> 
> Left Arrow–Right Arrow
> 
> Select the next or previous item
> 
> Right Arrow or Left Arrow
> 
> Select the next or previous item specified by the rotor setting
> 
> Up Arrow or Down Arrow
> 
> Select the first or last item
> 
> Control–Up Arrow or Control–Down Arrow
> 
> "Tap” an item
> 
> Up Arrow–Down Arrow
> 
> Scroll up, down, left, or right
> 
> Option–Up Arrow, Option–Down Arrow, Option–Left Arrow, or Option–Right Arrow
> 
> Change the rotor
> 
> Up Arrow–Left Arrow or Up Arrow–Right Arrow
> 
> You can also use the number keys on the Apple Wireless Keyboard to dial a 
> phone number in Phone or enter numbers in Calculator.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 10:47 PM 26/10/2011, you wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Thank you for your tips and encouragement.
>> I always read great things about these Apple devices on the Internet
>> and get encouraged, but I really get frustrated when they don't work
>> properly for me.
>> BTW, I have a question.
>> How do you people manage to find out which alphabet is which on a 
>> touchscreen?
>> You can easily locate all the keys on a normal keyboard after a bit of
>> practice, but how can you do that on a device which has a touchscreen?
>> 
>> On 25/10/2011, Gigi  wrote:
>> > Hi guys.
>> > I would also like  to add to what Teresa said about devices like the iPad
>> > and the iPhone. I also use split tapping. Split tapping is when your finger
>> > is on an item you would like to select. Just take one of your other 
>> > fingers,
>> > and lay it on the screen without moving the one you are using to go around
>> > the screen. Even if you don't use this command, it's good to know about 
>> > this
>> > command because there are times you might accidentally make a choice you
>> > didn't intend and you will know that's what you did. Also, sometimes it's
>> > good to make a choice without moving your finger. I use split tapping all
>> > the time, and I also use the ones Teresa mentioned.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Gigi
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Teresa Cochran 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi, Rahul,
>> >>
>> >> You can start with your home screen.  You can explore it by moving one
>> >> finger around on the screen. As you move, VO tells you which items are
>> >> under your finger. Along the bottom of the screen are 4 applications. The
>> >> home screen has different "pages", but the four things at the bottom of
>> >> the screen in the dock area are always there. Next, you can try swiping a
>> >> finger to the right. This will take you to the next item, and swiping left
>> >> will take you to the previous item.
>> >>
>> >> to open an application, you can find it and double-tap on it. I'm fairly
>> >> sure that if you find Safari on the bottom dock area and double-tap it,
>> >> you'll land on the page for the manual. In any document, suc

Re: Preparing for clean lion install

[Scott Howell]

The best thing you could do is install all the apps from scratch. After all if 
your going to go through all the trouble, you might as well start with a truly 
fresh system. Otherwise, you will be copying things by hand and you may not get 
everything necessary. If nothing else, you will have learned from the 
experience and that itself is worth the effort.
Good luck,

On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Good evening, all. I'm highly skeptical that this is going to do any good, 
> but just because I want to say I've made the
> effort, I'm getting ready to do a clean install of lion. While I'm doing all 
> my prep work: cloning to external drives to make
> sure I don't lose anything, I'm going to listen to Mike's podcast on Lion. I 
> just wanted to write to the group, though,
> because I'm curious how I'll go about putting back apps. Can I restore them 
> from the cloned drives, or do I have to actually
> reinstall things? More than anything else, I'm concerned about the Acapella 
> voices I purchased to use with my mac, but
> wouldn't mind tips about adium, skype and things of that nature. Also, how do 
> I back up my Itunes purchases. Granted, I've
> only made two of them, but I don't want to lose them. What about Growl and 
> Yorufukuru? Will I just get those from the app
> store again?
> I've got 2 external drives handy, so I'm backing up not only my current lion 
> install, but also my perfect and up-to-date SL
> install. That way, if the clean install still isn't satisfactory, I can put 
> everything back the way it was.
> Any advice will be extremely appreciated. I just keep reminding myself that 
> there's no way I can possibly render the mac
> entirely useless, but I don't want to lose any apps, especially not ones that 
> cost money. So, if anyone has any instructions
> to share, I would be extremely greatful. Also, once I use my CD, will lion be 
> able to update itself to 7.2?
> OK. Sorry for the rambling, disjointed message. I just am trying this to give 
> Lion another chance to get into my good graces.
> Thank you all very much for your time, and I hope that everyone is having a 
> great day!
> Missy
> 
> 
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RE: Preparing for clean lion install

[Missy Hoppe]

For nearly all of my apps, that's no problem. I guess I do the same with the 
acapella voices and  reenter the licence info?
What about my 2 pitiful Itunes purchases? Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 5:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Preparing for clean lion install

The best thing you could do is install all the apps from scratch. After all if 
your going to go through all the trouble, you
might as well start with a truly fresh system. Otherwise, you will be copying 
things by hand and you may not get everything
necessary. If nothing else, you will have learned from the experience and that 
itself is worth the effort.
Good luck,

On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Good evening, all. I'm highly skeptical that this is going to do any
> good, but just because I want to say I've made the effort, I'm getting
> ready to do a clean install of lion. While I'm doing all my prep work:
> cloning to external drives to make sure I don't lose anything, I'm
> going to listen to Mike's podcast on Lion. I just wanted to write to
> the group, though, because I'm curious how I'll go about putting back
> apps. Can I restore them from the cloned drives, or do I have to
> actually reinstall things? More than anything else, I'm concerned about the 
> Acapella voices I purchased to use with my mac,
but wouldn't mind tips about adium, skype and things of that nature. Also, how 
do I back up my Itunes purchases. Granted,
I've only made two of them, but I don't want to lose them. What about Growl and 
Yorufukuru? Will I just get those from the
app store again?
> I've got 2 external drives handy, so I'm backing up not only my
> current lion install, but also my perfect and up-to-date SL install. That 
> way, if the clean install still isn't
satisfactory, I can put everything back the way it was.
> Any advice will be extremely appreciated. I just keep reminding myself
> that there's no way I can possibly render the mac entirely useless,
> but I don't want to lose any apps, especially not ones that cost money. So, 
> if anyone has any instructions to share, I
would be extremely greatful. Also, once I use my CD, will lion be able to 
update itself to 7.2?
> OK. Sorry for the rambling, disjointed message. I just am trying this to give 
> Lion another chance to get into my good
graces.
> Thank you all very much for your time, and I hope that everyone is having a 
> great day!
> Missy
>
>
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RE: Preparing for clean lion install

[Daniel Miller]

Missy,

You can re-download them through iTunes at no charge.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 4:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Preparing for clean lion install

For nearly all of my apps, that's no problem. I guess I do the same with the
acapella voices and  reenter the licence info?
What about my 2 pitiful Itunes purchases? Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 5:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Preparing for clean lion install

The best thing you could do is install all the apps from scratch. After all
if your going to go through all the trouble, you might as well start with a
truly fresh system. Otherwise, you will be copying things by hand and you
may not get everything necessary. If nothing else, you will have learned
from the experience and that itself is worth the effort.
Good luck,

On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Good evening, all. I'm highly skeptical that this is going to do any 
> good, but just because I want to say I've made the effort, I'm getting 
> ready to do a clean install of lion. While I'm doing all my prep work:
> cloning to external drives to make sure I don't lose anything, I'm 
> going to listen to Mike's podcast on Lion. I just wanted to write to 
> the group, though, because I'm curious how I'll go about putting back 
> apps. Can I restore them from the cloned drives, or do I have to 
> actually reinstall things? More than anything else, I'm concerned 
> about the Acapella voices I purchased to use with my mac,
but wouldn't mind tips about adium, skype and things of that nature. Also,
how do I back up my Itunes purchases. Granted, I've only made two of them,
but I don't want to lose them. What about Growl and Yorufukuru? Will I just
get those from the app store again?
> I've got 2 external drives handy, so I'm backing up not only my 
> current lion install, but also my perfect and up-to-date SL install. 
> That way, if the clean install still isn't
satisfactory, I can put everything back the way it was.
> Any advice will be extremely appreciated. I just keep reminding myself 
> that there's no way I can possibly render the mac entirely useless, 
> but I don't want to lose any apps, especially not ones that cost 
> money. So, if anyone has any instructions to share, I
would be extremely greatful. Also, once I use my CD, will lion be able to
update itself to 7.2?
> OK. Sorry for the rambling, disjointed message. I just am trying this 
> to give Lion another chance to get into my good
graces.
> Thank you all very much for your time, and I hope that everyone is having
a great day!
> Missy
>
>
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A question about Dropbox and Flash-player

[Kirsten Edmondson]

Hi, 
I thought I had successfully installed dropbox, but when I open it, there is 
nothing in it. When I installed, I did tell it I had an account, so I expected 
to find all my files but they are not there. They are on the website. What do I 
have to do to get them in my dropbox on the Mac? 

I needed to download flash player to read a magazine I bought, but I can't get 
it to work. It's installed fine. Am I to take it that flash player isn't 
accessible with VO on the Mac? 
Thanks. 
Kirsten, the slow-to-learn-Mac-User :) 

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Re: attaching songs to emails

[Gerry Cook]

thanks Ray that's helpful and i'll try it i did cmd i to find out how big it 
was i was thinking in windows you use alt key and arrow to send to sub menu and 
i was trying to find something like that on the mac but it doesn't matter if 
there's nothing like that.
Gerry Cook
cheers gerry
gerryc...@optusnet.com.au


On 13/11/2011, at 12:33 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Forst, that depends on how large of a file your e-mail server can take.  I 
> would be hesitant to try anything over 15Mb.  Usually, though, it's actually 
> more like 10.  I'd prefer to use either Drop Box or some third party server 
> to do that since the files can be much larger than 15Mb.
> 
> Let's say, though, that you have a file small enough and you know your e-mail 
> server can handle it.
> 
> There are a number of ways to attach it to your message.
> 
> 1.  Navigate to the file and, from the finder menu, select services.  Now, 
> choose "attachment to new e-mail message"  What will happen is that mail will 
> open with a new message created and your file already attached.  You just 
> need to fill in the headers appropriately.
> 
> 2.  Navigate to the file and then press command+c to copy it.  then, open 
> mail and make a new message, filling in the headers like always.  Then, in 
> the body of the message, press command+v to paste the file.  Then send.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:55 AM, Gerry Cook wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, how could i send music files to friends via email that i have 
>> in my music folder I only want, to send 1 or 2 songs. having experimented, 
>> emailing 1 song out of the music folder, to myself I'm wondering why it 
>> wouldn't work and i couldn't get to song to play back, any help would be 
>> much appreciated! thanks.
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Re: attaching songs to emails

[Ray Foret Jr]

No Gerry, Command+i is the info hot key.  That's the quickest way to get info 
on a file.  Study your hotkeys a little more.


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Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Gerry Cook wrote:

> thanks Ray that's helpful and i'll try it i did cmd i to find out how big it 
> was i was thinking in windows you use alt key and arrow to send to sub menu 
> and i was trying to find something like that on the mac but it doesn't matter 
> if there's nothing like that.
> Gerry Cook
> cheers gerry
> gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
> 
> 
> On 13/11/2011, at 12:33 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Forst, that depends on how large of a file your e-mail server can take.  I 
>> would be hesitant to try anything over 15Mb.  Usually, though, it's actually 
>> more like 10.  I'd prefer to use either Drop Box or some third party server 
>> to do that since the files can be much larger than 15Mb.
>> 
>> Let's say, though, that you have a file small enough and you know your 
>> e-mail server can handle it.
>> 
>> There are a number of ways to attach it to your message.
>> 
>> 1.  Navigate to the file and, from the finder menu, select services.  Now, 
>> choose "attachment to new e-mail message"  What will happen is that mail 
>> will open with a new message created and your file already attached.  You 
>> just need to fill in the headers appropriately.
>> 
>> 2.  Navigate to the file and then press command+c to copy it.  then, open 
>> mail and make a new message, filling in the headers like always.  Then, in 
>> the body of the message, press command+v to paste the file.  Then send.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:55 AM, Gerry Cook wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, how could i send music files to friends via email that i have 
>>> in my music folder I only want, to send 1 or 2 songs. having experimented, 
>>> emailing 1 song out of the music folder, to myself I'm wondering why it 
>>> wouldn't work and i couldn't get to song to play back, any help would be 
>>> much appreciated! thanks.
>>> 
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Re: attaching songs to emails

[Gerry Cook]

yes i will
Gerry Cook
cheers gerry
gerryc...@optusnet.com.au


On 13/11/2011, at 11:23 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> No Gerry, Command+i is the info hot key.  That's the quickest way to get info 
> on a file.  Study your hotkeys a little more.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Gerry Cook wrote:
> 
>> thanks Ray that's helpful and i'll try it i did cmd i to find out how big it 
>> was i was thinking in windows you use alt key and arrow to send to sub menu 
>> and i was trying to find something like that on the mac but it doesn't 
>> matter if there's nothing like that.
>> Gerry Cook
>> cheers gerry
>> gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/11/2011, at 12:33 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Forst, that depends on how large of a file your e-mail server can take.  I 
>>> would be hesitant to try anything over 15Mb.  Usually, though, it's 
>>> actually more like 10.  I'd prefer to use either Drop Box or some third 
>>> party server to do that since the files can be much larger than 15Mb.
>>> 
>>> Let's say, though, that you have a file small enough and you know your 
>>> e-mail server can handle it.
>>> 
>>> There are a number of ways to attach it to your message.
>>> 
>>> 1.  Navigate to the file and, from the finder menu, select services.  Now, 
>>> choose "attachment to new e-mail message"  What will happen is that mail 
>>> will open with a new message created and your file already attached.  You 
>>> just need to fill in the headers appropriately.
>>> 
>>> 2.  Navigate to the file and then press command+c to copy it.  then, open 
>>> mail and make a new message, filling in the headers like always.  Then, in 
>>> the body of the message, press command+v to paste the file.  Then send.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:55 AM, Gerry Cook wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everyone, how could i send music files to friends via email that i have 
 in my music folder I only want, to send 1 or 2 songs. having experimented, 
 emailing 1 song out of the music folder, to myself I'm wondering why it 
 wouldn't work and i couldn't get to song to play back, any help would be 
 much appreciated! thanks.
 
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Re: rosetta stonesand voiceover?

[Eric Caron]

Hi Karen,

I am also a French language learner.  I was told by several language 
teachers that the Risetta Stone program was very visual.  I suspect it is not 
going to be a good tool for a blind language learner.  I found the Pimsler 
program worked well as it is all audio.  Also The Michel Thomas Language 
learning materials worked very well.  I placed these materials on my iPhone as 
audio books and they worked very well.  I also used them in iTunes and on other 
book readers.
If you want to discuss language resources off list feel free to contact 
me.  Also, if I'm wrong and Rosetta Stone works for you on the Mac I'd love to 
know.  I'm always looking for more resources.
If you have not done so you will also find in the iTunes store several 
good podcasts for French learning.  Again I can make recommendations  if wanted.

eric Caron 

 
 Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi there, Thanks for the wisdom.  I dare say they would have their own voice, 
> not sure why I did not consider this.
> The funny thing is that in major cities people give the programs away on 
> freecycle.
> My goal is French, and I should likely seek a Canadian copy.  very happy the 
> program does the job though.
> Have a fine weekend,
> Karen
> 
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Joan Alice Maria Gibson, Esquire wrote:
> 
>> Don't think you need VoiceOver for Rosetta. Had it on my iMac G4, running
>> Panther, then upgraded to Tiger; and, cannot remember needing to use
>> VoiceOver. But that was 3 years ago when it died in a dozen rapid-fire
>> property lightning strikes. I believe that the CDs/DVDs (?) had its own
>> voice. When trying to learn Dutch, I turned off the visual [spelling of the
>> words] and just listened to the Dutch … learnt it much easier that way.
>> Surely do miss my Rosetta Languages; but, don't think I'll ever be able to
>> buy them again. They cost me way over $400.00 back in 2003!
>> 
>> Good luck, have fun with Rosetta; and, please let me how it is working out
>> for you. Would love to buy the discs again for my Leopard and Snow Leopard
>> MacBook Pros!
>> 
>> JG
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Karen Lewellen 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> In case you do not know what those are.  Its a program for learning another
>>> language that totally submerges you into the process.
>>> Would the mac edition be voiceover compatible?
>>> Karen
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Re: rosetta stonesand voiceover?

[Eric Caron]

Hi Karen,

I am also a French language learner.  I was told by several language 
teachers that the Risetta Stone program was very visual.  I suspect it is not 
going to be a good tool for a blind language learner.  I found the Pimsler 
program worked well as it is all audio.  Also The Michel Thomas Language 
learning materials worked very well.  I placed these materials on my iPhone as 
audio books and they worked very well.  I also used them in iTunes and on other 
book readers.
If you want to discuss language resources off list feel free to contact 
me.  Also, if I'm wrong and Rosetta Stone works for you on the Mac I'd love to 
know.  I'm always looking for more resources.
If you have not done so you will also find in the iTunes store several 
good podcasts for French learning.  Again I can make recommendations  if wanted.

eric Caron 
On Oct 21, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi there, Thanks for the wisdom.  I dare say they would have their own voice, 
> not sure why I did not consider this.
> The funny thing is that in major cities people give the programs away on 
> freecycle.
> My goal is French, and I should likely seek a Canadian copy.  very happy the 
> program does the job though.
> Have a fine weekend,
> Karen
> 
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Joan Alice Maria Gibson, Esquire wrote:
> 
>> Don't think you need VoiceOver for Rosetta. Had it on my iMac G4, running
>> Panther, then upgraded to Tiger; and, cannot remember needing to use
>> VoiceOver. But that was 3 years ago when it died in a dozen rapid-fire
>> property lightning strikes. I believe that the CDs/DVDs (?) had its own
>> voice. When trying to learn Dutch, I turned off the visual [spelling of the
>> words] and just listened to the Dutch … learnt it much easier that way.
>> Surely do miss my Rosetta Languages; but, don't think I'll ever be able to
>> buy them again. They cost me way over $400.00 back in 2003!
>> 
>> Good luck, have fun with Rosetta; and, please let me how it is working out
>> for you. Would love to buy the discs again for my Leopard and Snow Leopard
>> MacBook Pros!
>> 
>> JG
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Karen Lewellen 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> In case you do not know what those are.  Its a program for learning another
>>> language that totally submerges you into the process.
>>> Would the mac edition be voiceover compatible?
>>> Karen
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Re: Preparing for clean lion install

[Scott Howell]

All iTunes purchases can be pulled back down from the store or just add them 
back into iTUnes.

On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> For nearly all of my apps, that's no problem. I guess I do the same with the 
> acapella voices and  reenter the licence info?
> What about my 2 pitiful Itunes purchases? Thanks!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 5:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Preparing for clean lion install
> 
> The best thing you could do is install all the apps from scratch. After all 
> if your going to go through all the trouble, you
> might as well start with a truly fresh system. Otherwise, you will be copying 
> things by hand and you may not get everything
> necessary. If nothing else, you will have learned from the experience and 
> that itself is worth the effort.
> Good luck,
> 
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
> 
>> Good evening, all. I'm highly skeptical that this is going to do any
>> good, but just because I want to say I've made the effort, I'm getting
>> ready to do a clean install of lion. While I'm doing all my prep work:
>> cloning to external drives to make sure I don't lose anything, I'm
>> going to listen to Mike's podcast on Lion. I just wanted to write to
>> the group, though, because I'm curious how I'll go about putting back
>> apps. Can I restore them from the cloned drives, or do I have to
>> actually reinstall things? More than anything else, I'm concerned about the 
>> Acapella voices I purchased to use with my mac,
> but wouldn't mind tips about adium, skype and things of that nature. Also, 
> how do I back up my Itunes purchases. Granted,
> I've only made two of them, but I don't want to lose them. What about Growl 
> and Yorufukuru? Will I just get those from the
> app store again?
>> I've got 2 external drives handy, so I'm backing up not only my
>> current lion install, but also my perfect and up-to-date SL install. That 
>> way, if the clean install still isn't
> satisfactory, I can put everything back the way it was.
>> Any advice will be extremely appreciated. I just keep reminding myself
>> that there's no way I can possibly render the mac entirely useless,
>> but I don't want to lose any apps, especially not ones that cost money. So, 
>> if anyone has any instructions to share, I
> would be extremely greatful. Also, once I use my CD, will lion be able to 
> update itself to 7.2?
>> OK. Sorry for the rambling, disjointed message. I just am trying this to 
>> give Lion another chance to get into my good
> graces.
>> Thank you all very much for your time, and I hope that everyone is having a 
>> great day!
>> Missy
>> 
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Re: How do I get to mail from the doc quickly

[Johnny Angel!]

Hi Jenny,

Just quickly type the first two or three letters for the program you wish to 
navigate to.
On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

> When I go to the doc from lion I press M for mail and get mission control 
> (Whatever that is), and then press A hoping it will go to mail.  That doesn't 
> work.  How can I get to mail quicker than just arrowing to it.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Nov 9, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> Karon,
>> 
>> I have found that most PDF files are not readable using voiceover in OS X. 
>> this doesn't mean all of them are inaccessible, but it appears that a vast 
>> majority are imported graphic files in a container.
>> 
>> as for captchas, I find them nearly impossible to solve, and some sites that 
>> have audio captchas, the audio will not play under safari and some others 
>> are severely distorted. couple this with the fact that mozilla firefox isn't 
>> accessible using voiceover, that certain captcha solving plugins are also 
>> inaccessible (and no such plugins are available for safari that I know of). 
>> since I am not a windows user, nor do I wish to spend large sums of money to 
>> do so, I am not inclined to use microsoft based products. This means that I 
>> am also limited in how I do some things on the net (especially where 
>> visually based security is concerned.
>> 
>> -eric 
>> On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> For reasons that are complicated to explain I have the ear of the legal 
>>> department at paypal -ebay.  Part of the reason is that, as some of you may 
>>> know, they are *requiring* all users to agree that that they read pdf 
>>> files, or they will lose their account.  Because of this and some other 
>>> access issues with paypal and ebay, i have been asked to document why 
>>> things like pdf and captcha are issues for those using adaptive tools.  I 
>>> have told them already that to assume everyone is using jaws is 
>>> impractical, and that still browsers like lynx, with its recent edition  
>>> dated June 2011, are good foundations for access.  I have shared that pdf 
>>> reaains a hurtle, and captcha is flat out an issue, as is stuff like flash.
>>> because they are serious though I want to make maximum use of this 
>>> opportunity.  What I would welcome is article information, places that 
>>> discuss why pdf for example and captcha remain barriers.  Likewise posts 
>>> from you if you have met with issues with either service would be welcome. 
>>> I want them to fix this for everyone, not just sweep me under the corporate 
>>> rug.  That they are shifting all document responsibility t the end user is 
>>> disturbing, since if you have an issue say with security, you will bare the 
>>> blame for any discrepancies in documentation.
>>> 
>>> Additionally, if part of your professional life is access, share under your 
>>> professional umbrella.  If I get enough research responses, i will 
>>> construct a solid document for them, and include as many other people as I 
>>> can.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Karen
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Hopstop website frustratingly inaccessible with VO

[Eric Brinkman]

I just went to hops top.com to plan a NYC trip, but found that I was
unable to adjust the transportation method preferences when entering
information.  Adjusting the time of departure was also unnecessarily
difficult as I had to mouse-click randomly to get it to select the
time I wanted.  I eventually ended up using the iPhone app which
worked fine, but I continue to be frustrated by sites like this,
OKCupid and Facebook on the Mac.  Has anyone used Hopstop on the Mac?
I'd be very grateful for any suggestions you could offer.

Eric

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Re: A question about Dropbox and Flash-player

[Chris Blouch]

I can at least answer the second question. Yes, Adobe has chosen to not 
make Flash accessible on the Mac. Not much we can do about it other than 
continue to pester Adobe, but success seems unlikely.


CB

On 11/12/11 6:05 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:

Hi,
I thought I had successfully installed dropbox, but when I open it, there is 
nothing in it. When I installed, I did tell it I had an account, so I expected 
to find all my files but they are not there. They are on the website. What do I 
have to do to get them in my dropbox on the Mac?

I needed to download flash player to read a magazine I bought, but I can't get 
it to work. It's installed fine. Am I to take it that flash player isn't 
accessible with VO on the Mac?
Thanks.
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Re: Facebook

[Rahul Bajaj]

David,

Your suggestion about that movie was too hilarious :P
On my Windows laptop, the mobile site is working perfectly.
I have been trying to use the mobile site on my Mac for a long time, but it 
always redirects me to the main site.
Will the Facebook people do something about it if I write to them?
Other mobile sites are working perfectly on my Mac.


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Apple Mail

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hi all,

I have a couple of questions regarding Apple Mail.
1. If I wish to search for a mail, then what should I do?
Whenever I try searching with the toolbar, it mentions the number of messages 
found, but I don't know how to read those messages.

2. How can I directly go to the last message in my inbox?
Sometimes, when I open my inbox, VO starts reading very old messages, so I have 
to scroll through all the messages to get to the recently received messages.
So, these are my questions.
Please do help me if you can.

Cheers,
Rahul


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A question.

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hi all,

I just downloaded a book from the Internet.
 So, when I tried to open the file, I got a message saying that there is no 
default application specified to open this document.
So, how can I open the document?
Is there a way of selecting the application in which I want to read the 
document?

Cheers,
Rahul  

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