Re: MOVING Mail

[John Chilelli]

HI EVERYONE,

THANKS FOR THE HELP IN LION MAIL.  BUT WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IS HOW DOES ONE MOVE 
POSTS YOU WISH TO SAVE INTO OTHER MAILBOXES?

JOHNNY
On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?
> 
> At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new 
> standard 3 column layout.
> 
> I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit 
> enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in 
> various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion 
> the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this method.  
> 
> I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply just 
> uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this method 
> and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message.  
> However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the 
> keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the 
> arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages 
> within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I have found a better 
> way.
> 
> I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and 
> indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages 
> list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.
> 
> So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation 
> I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and 
> then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press 
> VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading 
> the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages 
> list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again 
> which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list.
> 
> I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites 
> function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by 
> holding down the command key and a number.  For more information about the 
> new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent 
> podcast.
> 
> I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about 
> using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly 
> been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.
> 
> However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my 
> messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works.
> 
> Chris 
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Re: MOVING Mail

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Johnny,

To move a message to a different mailbox, place yourself on the message and 
press VO-Shift-m to get a contextual menu. Then type "mo" for "move", press 
right arrow then locate the desired mailbox, and press Return. You can type the 
first letter of the mailbox to save time.

Cheers,

Anne


On 31 Jul 2011, at 10:41, John Chilelli wrote:

> HI EVERYONE,
> 
> THANKS FOR THE HELP IN LION MAIL.  BUT WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IS HOW DOES ONE 
> MOVE POSTS YOU WISH TO SAVE INTO OTHER MAILBOXES?
> 
> JOHNNY
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?
>> 
>> At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new 
>> standard 3 column layout.
>> 
>> I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit 
>> enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in 
>> various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion 
>> the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this method.  
>> 
>> I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply 
>> just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this 
>> method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message.  
>> However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the 
>> keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the 
>> arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages 
>> within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I have found a better 
>> way.
>> 
>> I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and 
>> indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages 
>> list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.
>> 
>> So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or 
>> conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right 
>> arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then 
>> press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips 
>> reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the 
>> messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J 
>> again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the 
>> list.
>> 
>> I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites 
>> function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by 
>> holding down the command key and a number.  For more information about the 
>> new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent 
>> podcast.
>> 
>> I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about 
>> using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have 
>> mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.
>> 
>> However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my 
>> messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works.
>> 
>> Chris 
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Re: searching for mail in lion with classic layout

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Kary,

If you press Cmd-Option-f you'll be in the Search box. After entering your 
text, a menu will open offering you choices of where to search, such as 
subject, body of message, and so on, and also showing what has already been 
found. Escape will get you out of this menu.

If you stop interacting with the Toolbar, you'll find the Favourites bar to the 
right. Interacting with this will show you options of where to search.

Cheers,

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Re: MOVING Mail

[John Chilelli]

Hi Ann,

Perhaps I need to figure out where my fingers are, , because when I 
press vo shift M I merely highlight the word in the message I currently am on.

Oh do I need help! grin

More help perhaps in setting up things with vo is needed?

Johnny
On Jul 31, 2011, at 5:03 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Johnny,
> 
> To move a message to a different mailbox, place yourself on the message and 
> press VO-Shift-m to get a contextual menu. Then type "mo" for "move", press 
> right arrow then locate the desired mailbox, and press Return. You can type 
> the first letter of the mailbox to save time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2011, at 10:41, John Chilelli wrote:
> 
>> HI EVERYONE,
>> 
>> THANKS FOR THE HELP IN LION MAIL.  BUT WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IS HOW DOES ONE 
>> MOVE POSTS YOU WISH TO SAVE INTO OTHER MAILBOXES?
>> 
>> JOHNNY
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?
>>> 
>>> At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new 
>>> standard 3 column layout.
>>> 
>>> I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit 
>>> enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in 
>>> various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion 
>>> the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this method. 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply 
>>> just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this 
>>> method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message. 
>>>  However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the 
>>> keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the 
>>> arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages 
>>> within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I have found a 
>>> better way.
>>> 
>>> I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and 
>>> indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages 
>>> list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.
>>> 
>>> So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or 
>>> conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the 
>>> right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation 
>>> and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and 
>>> skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to 
>>> the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press 
>>> VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were 
>>> in the list.
>>> 
>>> I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the 
>>> favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and 
>>> folders by holding down the command key and a number.  For more information 
>>> about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's 
>>> excellent podcast.
>>> 
>>> I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about 
>>> using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have 
>>> mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.
>>> 
>>> However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my 
>>> messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer 
>>> works.
>>> 
>>> Chris 
>>> 
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Re: MOVING Mail

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Johnny,

Before trying to move the message, try closing it.

Cheers,

Anne


On 31 Jul 2011, at 11:37, John Chilelli wrote:

> Hi Ann,
> 
> Perhaps I need to figure out where my fingers are, , because when I 
> press vo shift M I merely highlight the word in the message I currently am on.
> 
> Oh do I need help! grin
> 
> More help perhaps in setting up things with vo is needed?
> 
> Johnny
> On Jul 31, 2011, at 5:03 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Johnny,
>> 
>> To move a message to a different mailbox, place yourself on the message and 
>> press VO-Shift-m to get a contextual menu. Then type "mo" for "move", press 
>> right arrow then locate the desired mailbox, and press Return. You can type 
>> the first letter of the mailbox to save time.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2011, at 10:41, John Chilelli wrote:
>> 
>>> HI EVERYONE,
>>> 
>>> THANKS FOR THE HELP IN LION MAIL.  BUT WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IS HOW DOES ONE 
>>> MOVE POSTS YOU WISH TO SAVE INTO OTHER MAILBOXES?
>>> 
>>> JOHNNY
>>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?
 
 At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new 
 standard 3 column layout.
 
 I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit 
 enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in 
 various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in 
 Lion the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this 
 method.  
 
 I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply 
 just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this 
 method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the 
 message.  However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one 
 key on the keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then 
 uses the arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the 
 messages within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I have 
 found a better way.
 
 I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and 
 indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages 
 list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.
 
 So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or 
 conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the 
 right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation 
 and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately 
 and skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump 
 back to the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message 
 or press VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list to where 
 you were in the list.
 
 I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the 
 favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and 
 folders by holding down the command key and a number.  For more 
 information about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out 
 Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast.
 
 I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what 
 about using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I 
 have mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.
 
 However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my 
 messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer 
 works.
 
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Re: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,

Abbyy Finereader Express can do that for you. 

HTH
Jürgen

Am 31.07.2011 um 08:08 schrieb Karen Lewellen:

> Hi Rafael,
> While I cannot speak to an application, I can speak of a source that may work 
> for you.
> this organization,
> www.robobraille.org
> will convert pdf files into any number of formats via e-mail.  The site is 
> not as complete as to their services, they do more than they list.
> for example if you email
> conv...@robobraille.org
> 
> with
> text
> in the subject line,
> Attaching the file to the email,
> you will get back a converted text document.
> I tend to be a little selective about my text, so personally I have them 
> convert to rtf, run a utility here on shellworld that changes the rtf into 
> html, then run the html file through lynx for lovely text.
> may be more steps than you desire though, especially if you do not have 
> access to the lynx text browser.
> If you have questions, sing away,
> Karen
> 
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am in need of a program that converts pdf files to text files.  Can anyone 
>> here recommend such an app?
>> 
>> Cordially,
>> Rafael Bejarano
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Re: Good news for all writers

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Mark,

oh yes, I like to response to a person with a name better as well.

Thanks for sharing this info. Sounds interesting and I will check it.

All the best
Jürgen

Am 31.07.2011 um 02:56 schrieb M. Taylor:

> Hello Jürgen and thank you for both posting this notice and for signing your
> name to the end of your message.  I much prefer to respond to someone by
> name.  
> 
> Scrivener sounds like a marvelous app that I will definitely explore.  I do
> enjoy browsing the Mac App Store.  
> 
> To create eBooks, I use a program called Storyist.  I believe the cost is
> about $30 and it is not yet available on the Mac App Store but the website
> is:  www.storyist.com The programmer has added complete VoiceOver
> accessibility for us.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries Visionaries
> Subject: Good news for all writers
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> here's a good news for all of you who likes to write textes, novels and so:
> One of the most popular programs for writer is Scrivener. It provides you
> with different styles to write manuscripts or even complete novels. The
> latest version of Scrivener took a big step to get more accessible. I can
> really recommend it to write your poetries or what ever.
> 
> More info in the Mac App Store or here:
> http://www.literatureandlatte.com/
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
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Anyone having the follwing issues with safari and mail?

[Naama Shang]

Hi,
I have noticed the following issues since upgrading to lion:

1. Safari -- If I start interacting with html content, I can VO for a few 
lines, and then VO would lag and restart itself, and I'd be placed at top of 
page again.
Any suggestions, please?

2. Mail - I am not seeing duplicates. For instance, if I am subscribed to a 
list with multiple addresses, I only see a message once instead of multiple 
times.
Also, if someone sends me messages to all my addresses, I see only one. This is 
very frustrating.
I am using Lion, macmail in classic view and I have an iMac from June 2011.

Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Naama

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Re: speech loss

[joseph]

Hi Mark

Speech not restored  Cmd5, f10 did not help.

Best

Sent from my iPhone

On 31 Jul 2011, at 05:53 AM, "M. Taylor"  wrote:

> Hello Joe,
> 
> You wrote: 
> " i lost speach for some reason on my iMack, how to get it back please?"
> 
> Joe,
> Did you ever get speech restored back to your iMac?  If so, what was the
> problem?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of joseph
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: MacVisionaries
> Subject: speech loss
> 
> hi list
> 
> i lost speach for some reason on my iMack, how to get it back please?
> 
> thank you in advance
> 
> best
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Re: Anyone having the follwing issues with safari and mail?

[Chris Moore]

Are you using conversation view in Mail? If so, your messages are probably 
being grouped.  

Which website causes VO to crash?

Have you ran disk utility and repaired permissions since upgrading to Lion?
On 31 Jul 2011, at 11:15, Naama Shang wrote:

> Hi,
> I have noticed the following issues since upgrading to lion:
> 
> 1. Safari -- If I start interacting with html content, I can VO for a few 
> lines, and then VO would lag and restart itself, and I'd be placed at top of 
> page again.
> Any suggestions, please?
> 
> 2. Mail - I am not seeing duplicates. For instance, if I am subscribed to a 
> list with multiple addresses, I only see a message once instead of multiple 
> times.
> Also, if someone sends me messages to all my addresses, I see only one. This 
> is very frustrating.
> I am using Lion, macmail in classic view and I have an iMac from June 2011.
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Naama
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Setting up an automation with Automator...

[David Hole]

Hi folks.
Can someone here tell me in short how I set up an automation with
Automator using VoiceOver?
I read the help-stuff for Automator, but it only told me to drag the
actions somewhere, but with VO I can't find any logic place to drag
them...
Thanks much in advance.
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Re: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

[Rose Morales]

I had the same question. Pdf to rtf service was the best I found. This app lets 
you open PDF documents in text edit. You install it by copying the .service 
file into a folder on your hard drive. The folder is specified in the readme. 
Your document is still a PDF, so you'll have to copy and paste to a new 
document and then save the new document in the format which you prefer. Here's 
a download link for this app.
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/17950/pdf2rtfservice

Another option is to open preview, hit command-a, command-c, and paste your 
text into text edit. This will work for most PDF's.

Hth,
Rose

On Jul 31, 2011, at 6:08 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Abbyy Finereader Express can do that for you. 
> 
> HTH
> Jürgen
> 
> Am 31.07.2011 um 08:08 schrieb Karen Lewellen:
> 
>> Hi Rafael,
>> While I cannot speak to an application, I can speak of a source that may 
>> work for you.
>> this organization,
>> www.robobraille.org
>> will convert pdf files into any number of formats via e-mail.  The site is 
>> not as complete as to their services, they do more than they list.
>> for example if you email
>> conv...@robobraille.org
>> 
>> with
>> text
>> in the subject line,
>> Attaching the file to the email,
>> you will get back a converted text document.
>> I tend to be a little selective about my text, so personally I have them 
>> convert to rtf, run a utility here on shellworld that changes the rtf into 
>> html, then run the html file through lynx for lovely text.
>> may be more steps than you desire though, especially if you do not have 
>> access to the lynx text browser.
>> If you have questions, sing away,
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am in need of a program that converts pdf files to text files.  Can 
>>> anyone here recommend such an app?
>>> 
>>> Cordially,
>>> Rafael Bejarano
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Re: MOVING Mail

Another way this could be accomplished is:  place folders in your favorites 
bar, once you have them in the order you want make sure you know the exact 
order.  Once you know the correct order, go to the message you want to move, 
hit command control  plus the corresponding mailbox where you want the message 
moved, and it will move it, it will even announce what folder it has been moved 
too.  HTH

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On Jul 31, 2011, at 4:47 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Johnny,
> 
> Before trying to move the message, try closing it.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2011, at 11:37, John Chilelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ann,
>> 
>> Perhaps I need to figure out where my fingers are, , because when I 
>> press vo shift M I merely highlight the word in the message I currently am 
>> on.
>> 
>> Oh do I need help! grin
>> 
>> More help perhaps in setting up things with vo is needed?
>> 
>> Johnny
>> On Jul 31, 2011, at 5:03 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Johnny,
>>> 
>>> To move a message to a different mailbox, place yourself on the message and 
>>> press VO-Shift-m to get a contextual menu. Then type "mo" for "move", press 
>>> right arrow then locate the desired mailbox, and press Return. You can type 
>>> the first letter of the mailbox to save time.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2011, at 10:41, John Chilelli wrote:
>>> 
 HI EVERYONE,
 
 THANKS FOR THE HELP IN LION MAIL.  BUT WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IS HOW DOES ONE 
 MOVE POSTS YOU WISH TO SAVE INTO OTHER MAILBOXES?
 
 JOHNNY
 On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?
> 
> At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the 
> new standard 3 column layout.
> 
> I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit 
> enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in 
> various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in 
> Lion the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this 
> method.  
> 
> I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply 
> just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried 
> this method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the 
> message.  However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one 
> key on the keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he 
> then uses the arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between 
> the messages within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I 
> have found a better way.
> 
> I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and 
> indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages 
> list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.
> 
> So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or 
> conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the 
> right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation 
> and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately 
> and skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump 
> back to the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the 
> message or press VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list 
> to where you were in the list.
> 
> I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the 
> favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and 
> folders by holding down the command key and a number.  For more 
> information about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out 
> Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast.
> 
> I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what 
> about using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I 
> have mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.
> 
> However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of 
> my messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer 
> works.
> 
> Chris 
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Re: Anyone having the follwing issues with safari and mail?

[Naama Shang]

Hi,
Nope, I am not using conversation view in mail, I never liked using that.

The site that causes vo to crash is live journal, for the most part, but I've 
experienced this on other websites as well.

Thanks,
Naama
On 31 Jul 2011, at 13:19, Chris Moore wrote:

> Are you using conversation view in Mail? If so, your messages are probably 
> being grouped.  
> 
> Which website causes VO to crash?
> 
> Have you ran disk utility and repaired permissions since upgrading to Lion?
> On 31 Jul 2011, at 11:15, Naama Shang wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I have noticed the following issues since upgrading to lion:
>> 
>> 1. Safari -- If I start interacting with html content, I can VO for a few 
>> lines, and then VO would lag and restart itself, and I'd be placed at top of 
>> page again.
>> Any suggestions, please?
>> 
>> 2. Mail - I am not seeing duplicates. For instance, if I am subscribed to a 
>> list with multiple addresses, I only see a message once instead of multiple 
>> times.
>> Also, if someone sends me messages to all my addresses, I see only one. This 
>> is very frustrating.
>> I am using Lion, macmail in classic view and I have an iMac from June 2011.
>> 
>> Any help is appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Naama
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Re: clean install of lion?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I will try again although I did install on top of SL.
On 30 Jul 2011, at 01:17, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> You actually have to wait about ten minutes, because there are some 
> diagnostics being performed before you can load VO. So don't throw away your 
> DVD yet.
> 
> Teresa
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Neil,
>> 
>> I tried to do a clean install and when I tried doing C after putting DVD in, 
>> although the DVD spun nothing happened.
>> On 29 Jul 2011, at 17:06, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>> 
>>> sounds like you did not boot from the CD / USB, hold down the C key at 
>>> start to boot from disk.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 27 Jul 2011, at 17:04, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:
>>> 
 Okay, tried to help a friend to a clean install of lion.  Burned the DVD, 
 and restarted the computer, launched disc utility from the DVD, and 
 attempted to erase the hard drive, but it kept saying error.  Am I doing 
 something wrong, did I miss a step, or am I suppose to ear ace with disc 
 utility before I try to use the dvd?  Thanks in advance!
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Re: Lion Mail

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Chris.

I am using Mark's method although at times when I  get to the message content, 
I have to swipe down with two fingers for Voice over to read or I can arrow 
down, or just do voice over J.

Kawal. 
On 31 Jul 2011, at 01:22, Chris Moore wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?
> 
> At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new 
> standard 3 column layout.
> 
> I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit 
> enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in 
> various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion 
> the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this method.  
> 
> I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply just 
> uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this method 
> and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message.  
> However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the 
> keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the 
> arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages 
> within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I have found a better 
> way.
> 
> I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and 
> indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages 
> list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.
> 
> So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation 
> I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and 
> then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press 
> VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading 
> the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages 
> list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again 
> which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list.
> 
> I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites 
> function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by 
> holding down the command key and a number.  For more information about the 
> new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent 
> podcast.
> 
> I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about 
> using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly 
> been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.
> 
> However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my 
> messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works.
> 
> Chris 
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Re: Music player

[Mike Arrigo]

Itunes works much better on the mac than it does in windows. However, I use the 
vlc player, which you can get from videolan.org. It plays just about 
everything. The problem with itunes is that it insists on adding everything you 
play to your library, vlc works great and is very accessible.
On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:33 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote:

> Good evening all!
> I'm a new mac user, fresh from the windows world, so when I learned that 
> iTunes was the default music player on the mac, I sort of panicked since, 
> well, umm, iTunes really sucks in windows!
> So, here's my question, what do you all use to play mp3's and ogg files?
> do you just stick with iTunes, which admitedly, is much better, and nicer on 
> the mac, or is there a third party software you all like for playing your 
> music?
> Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
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RE: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

I appreciate it.

Rafael

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Rose Morales [r...@chicksdigmacs.net]
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

I had the same question. Pdf to rtf service was the best I found. This app lets 
you open PDF documents in text edit. You install it by copying the .service 
file into a folder on your hard drive. The folder is specified in the readme. 
Your document is still a PDF, so you'll have to copy and paste to a new 
document and then save the new document in the format which you prefer. Here's 
a download link for this app.
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/17950/pdf2rtfservice

Another option is to open preview, hit command-a, command-c, and paste your 
text into text edit. This will work for most PDF's.

Hth,
Rose

On Jul 31, 2011, at 6:08 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Abbyy Finereader Express can do that for you.
>
> HTH
> Jürgen
>
> Am 31.07.2011 um 08:08 schrieb Karen Lewellen:
>
>> Hi Rafael,
>> While I cannot speak to an application, I can speak of a source that may 
>> work for you.
>> this organization,
>> www.robobraille.org
>> will convert pdf files into any number of formats via e-mail.  The site is 
>> not as complete as to their services, they do more than they list.
>> for example if you email
>> conv...@robobraille.org
>>
>> with
>> text
>> in the subject line,
>> Attaching the file to the email,
>> you will get back a converted text document.
>> I tend to be a little selective about my text, so personally I have them 
>> convert to rtf, run a utility here on shellworld that changes the rtf into 
>> html, then run the html file through lynx for lovely text.
>> may be more steps than you desire though, especially if you do not have 
>> access to the lynx text browser.
>> If you have questions, sing away,
>> Karen
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am in need of a program that converts pdf files to text files.  Can 
>>> anyone here recommend such an app?
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>> Rafael Bejarano
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PDF to text converters

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

Just a quick note to thank those of you who replied to my query about an app to 
convert pdf files to text.  I appreciate your very prompt replies.

Cordially,
Rafael

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One letter Navigation?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi All.

Just having a look at Safari, also went to Safari's preferences just in case I 
missed anything.  But how does one do one letter navigation?  Also tried 
opening a new web page and because I had played Mark's podcast on Mail, the 
same started playing again even though I had quit safari and restarted the Mac.

Any help will be appreciated.

Kawal.



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Re: One letter Navigation?

[Cody]

It is under voiceover preferences under commands, press the quicknav tab and 
right arrow over


Cody
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To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:12 AM
Subject: One letter Navigation?


Hi All.

Just having a look at Safari, also went to Safari's preferences just in case 
I missed anything.  But how does one do one letter navigation?  Also tried 
opening a new web page and because I had played Mark's podcast on Mail, the 
same started playing again even though I had quit safari and restarted the 
Mac.


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Re: Spotify not accessible on Snow Leopard

[Kevin Gibbs]

I don't have a play option that I can see.  All I can do is use my
vision to double tap one song.  That one song will play.  But the next
one won't.

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Re: Music player

[Ricardo Walker]

Lol,

The way the latest iTunes is, I hesitate to even make this claim.  
accessibility has been knocked down a notch.

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On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Itunes works much better on the mac than it does in windows. However, I use the 
vlc player, which you can get from videolan.org. It plays just about 
everything. The problem with itunes is that it insists on adding everything you 
play to your library, vlc works great and is very accessible.
On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:33 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote:

> Good evening all!
> I'm a new mac user, fresh from the windows world, so when I learned that 
> iTunes was the default music player on the mac, I sort of panicked since, 
> well, umm, iTunes really sucks in windows!
> So, here's my question, what do you all use to play mp3's and ogg files?
> do you just stick with iTunes, which admitedly, is much better, and nicer on 
> the mac, or is there a third party software you all like for playing your 
> music?
> Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
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Re: One letter Navigation?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Oh thanks for that.
On 31 Jul 2011, at 16:17, Cody wrote:

> It is under voiceover preferences under commands, press the quicknav tab and 
> right arrow over
> 
> Cody
> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> 
> To: "macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:12 AM
> Subject: One letter Navigation?
> 
> 
> Hi All.
> 
> Just having a look at Safari, also went to Safari's preferences just in case 
> I missed anything.  But how does one do one letter navigation?  Also tried 
> opening a new web page and because I had played Mark's podcast on Mail, the 
> same started playing again even though I had quit safari and restarted the 
> Mac.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Music player

[Angie Giltinan]

as for iTunes accessibility  being not so good on the mac, let me just say, 
from my point of view, it's much better on the mac compared to windows.
On Jul 31, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Lol,
> 
> The way the latest iTunes is, I hesitate to even make this claim.  
> accessibility has been knocked down a notch.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> Itunes works much better on the mac than it does in windows. However, I use 
> the vlc player, which you can get from videolan.org. It plays just about 
> everything. The problem with itunes is that it insists on adding everything 
> you play to your library, vlc works great and is very accessible.
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:33 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote:
> 
>> Good evening all!
>> I'm a new mac user, fresh from the windows world, so when I learned that 
>> iTunes was the default music player on the mac, I sort of panicked since, 
>> well, umm, iTunes really sucks in windows!
>> So, here's my question, what do you all use to play mp3's and ogg files?
>> do you just stick with iTunes, which admitedly, is much better, and nicer on 
>> the mac, or is there a third party software you all like for playing your 
>> music?
>> Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
>> Angie and Guide dog Essence, and lazy cat Caleb! the king of this particular 
>> hill!
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Re: Music player

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I couldn't agree with you more re Itunes being crap on windows.  One of the 
reasons of getting a Mac.
On 31 Jul 2011, at 16:39, Angie Giltinan wrote:

> as for iTunes accessibility  being not so good on the mac, let me just say, 
> from my point of view, it's much better on the mac compared to windows.
> On Jul 31, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Lol,
>> 
>> The way the latest iTunes is, I hesitate to even make this claim.  
>> accessibility has been knocked down a notch.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>> Itunes works much better on the mac than it does in windows. However, I use 
>> the vlc player, which you can get from videolan.org. It plays just about 
>> everything. The problem with itunes is that it insists on adding everything 
>> you play to your library, vlc works great and is very accessible.
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:33 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote:
>> 
>>> Good evening all!
>>> I'm a new mac user, fresh from the windows world, so when I learned that 
>>> iTunes was the default music player on the mac, I sort of panicked since, 
>>> well, umm, iTunes really sucks in windows!
>>> So, here's my question, what do you all use to play mp3's and ogg files?
>>> do you just stick with iTunes, which admitedly, is much better, and nicer 
>>> on the mac, or is there a third party software you all like for playing 
>>> your music?
>>> Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
>>> Angie and Guide dog Essence, and lazy cat Caleb! the king of this 
>>> particular hill!
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One letter navigation again.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I have been in voice over utilities and gone to web and still can't find one 
letter navigation.



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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[matthew Dyer]

tabase file and if I do this will it erase everything on the hardrive or in he 
lybrary?  I do not want to loose everything in  my music as I have no way to 
back it up at this point.


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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[matthew Dyer]

I already reported it to apple the day I updated.


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On Jul 30, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> you can still do this the difference is you can't be interacting with the 
> table and, you don't hear voiceover announce where you are in the table.  I 
> hope everyone is writing Apple about there issues.  Talking about it on list 
> is fine but, i don't think it will accomplish much.
> 
> JMO.
> 
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> 
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Eric Brinkman wrote:
> 
> I am experiencing the same issue and have the same configuration of
> the MacBook Air as the initial poster.  Another problem I have is that
> I can no longer select an artist via the first letter of his/her name.
> The only way to browse the playlist browser is to VO-arrow up and
> down.  Before I upgraded to Lion, I could just use the arrow keys
> without quicknav and also just press the first letter of an artist's
> name to go to artists starting with that letter.
> 
> I'd appreciate a solution to this issue.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On 7/30/11, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>> 
>> Just a note.  I was experiencing the same thing, after my upgrade to iTunes
>> 10.4 with an approximately 2,000 song data base.  I've only got 2GB of
>> ram--upgrading soon--on a 2009 MBP.  So, I bit the bullet, deleted the whole
>> darned data base & rebuilt it.  No problems now.  So, my guess, something
>> goes bump in the night with the music library with the 10.4 upgrade.  I
>> guess that's not very scientific, but I'm happy with the results.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> Brian,
>>> 
>>> I've experienced the exact same thing running on a mid-2009 MBP with 8 GB
>>> of RAM, and SSD and running in Lion. Moving up and down through my
>>> playlists is rather speedy and other than the main music library playlist,
>>> I have no issues.
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering two things:
>>> 1.  In upgrading to 104, did the iTunes music database get corrupted
>>> somehow and is this what is causing the sluggish performance?
>>> 2.  Is there a way to repair/rebuild the database?
>>> 
>>> that's my shot in the dark.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> On 2011-07-30, at 11:17 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Folks,
 
 I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes
 10.4, but I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following
 specific behavior:
 If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate
 through my songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my
 songs or left and right through the fields in each song. However, I
 experience no delays when navigating through my lists of Books, Movies,
 TV Shows or even through the contents of my playlist folders.
 
 My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are
 smaller, but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall having
 this issue in the previous version of iTunes running under SL.
 
 This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The
 whole library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views, columns,
 and any other options I could think of.
 
 TIA,
 Bryan
 
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Re: One letter navigation again.

[Cody]

That is because it is under commanders, not web

Cody
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To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: One letter navigation again.


I have been in voice over utilities and gone to web and still can't find 
one letter navigation.




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Re: One letter navigation again.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I got it now.  I'll have to play around with it.
On 31 Jul 2011, at 17:08, Cody wrote:

> That is because it is under commanders, not web
> 
> Cody
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> 
>> I have been in voice over utilities and gone to web and still can't find one 
>> letter navigation.
>> 
>> 
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A note about Lion, bootcamp and accessibility

[Cody]

Hi listers,

While this may be not totally related to accessibility, it does effect 
voiceover. And I thought it'd be a good thing to have for the archives.

If you are thinking about installing Windows Vista or Windows 7, be sure to 
allocate half the drive to OSX and the other half to Windows. The mistake I 
made was to give only 20GB to Vista. The result was 22 mb free and windows 
going into an endless reboot cycle.

Here is where it may save some people trouble if you already have a 20gb 
partition with windows vista or 7.

The easiest way to resolve this issue is by getting a utility called Win Clone. 
Win clone images your windows partition, and allows you to delete the bootcamp 
partition using bootcamp utility and then you are able to recreate the bootcamp 
partition with bc util and split the drive in half.

Here is the problem.

Win clone will not work under Lion, only 10.5 and 10.6. The work around is to 
edit /system/library/core-services/SystemVersion.plist and edit the lines with 
"10.7" with "10.6.6"

By doing this, it renders all system applications unusable, even voiceover, if 
it happens to crash or if you turn it off, and you will need a backup copy of 
SystemVersion.plist. The reason you need a backup copy, is not only is it a 
good idea to always have the original, but you will not be able to open text 
edit. As soon as you replace SystemVersion.plist again over your modified one 
everything will work again.

Even though modifying this file will allow Win Clone to run, it still will not 
be fully functional.

So therefore I figured i'd let the list know of this issue and why you 
shouldn't do it if you are a voiceover user.

I wanted to also add, that while it's said that Lion does not support 
bootcamping with Vista, it does actually work. I made my partition and rebooted 
and installed Windows as normal. When the bootcamp utility starts it will tell 
you that you need to download Windows support drivers for your devices. What it 
doesn't mention is that these drivers are only for Windows 7, so if you are 
wanting to install Vista, you can bypass this step. Note: after Vista is 
installed, you will need to have your Snow Leopard disk handy because you will 
need to install the appropriate drivers from the SL DVD. So in short, Vista 
works just fine, even from a clean bootcamp install with Lion, although it's 
not officially supported...

HTH,
Cody

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Re: One letter navigation again.

[Cody]

It works most of the time, but I found it also carries to situations outside 
of safari and tends to break things, so I recommend setting an activitys 
profile for safari and safari only with that preference.


Cody
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I got it now.  I'll have to play around with it.
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That is because it is under commanders, not web

Cody
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Re: One letter navigation again.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

OK.  I haven't used activities yet but it seems simple.
On 31 Jul 2011, at 17:27, Cody wrote:

> It works most of the time, but I found it also carries to situations outside 
> of safari and tends to break things, so I recommend setting an activitys 
> profile for safari and safari only with that preference.
> 
> Cody
> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: One letter navigation again.
> 
> 
>> I got it now.  I'll have to play around with it.
>> On 31 Jul 2011, at 17:08, Cody wrote:
>> 
>>> That is because it is under commanders, not web
>>> 
>>> Cody
>>> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>>> 
>>> To: "macvisionaries" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 12:05 PM
>>> Subject: One letter navigation again.
>>> 
>>> 
 I have been in voice over utilities and gone to web and still can't find 
 one letter navigation.
 
 
 
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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

This appears to be a VO problem, not a iTunes or Lion one.  I'm guessing that 
it has something to do with how VO focus is managed within tables and such.  If 
I turn VO off, use shift and down arrow 5 or 6 times, then turn it back on, VO 
will announce that I have that specific number of items selected.

As Ricardo mentioned, if you are not interacting with the specific table, press 
the first letter of the item you wish to move to, it will actually go there, VO 
just won't tell you.  The important item here is that you can't be interacting 
with the table.  So, it's just another one of those "fix one thing, break 
something else" sort of issues.  Just wish it didn't affect something we so 
often use.

This sort of thing has happened in VO before and was remedied so I suspect that 
Apple will be able to fix it again.  Hopefully, soon.

Later…

On 2011-07-31, at 10:08 AM, matthew Dyer wrote:

> I already reported it to apple the day I updated.
> 
> 
> matthew Dyer
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> 
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> you can still do this the difference is you can't be interacting with the 
>> table and, you don't hear voiceover announce where you are in the table.  I 
>> hope everyone is writing Apple about there issues.  Talking about it on list 
>> is fine but, i don't think it will accomplish much.
>> 
>> JMO.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Eric Brinkman wrote:
>> 
>> I am experiencing the same issue and have the same configuration of
>> the MacBook Air as the initial poster.  Another problem I have is that
>> I can no longer select an artist via the first letter of his/her name.
>> The only way to browse the playlist browser is to VO-arrow up and
>> down.  Before I upgraded to Lion, I could just use the arrow keys
>> without quicknav and also just press the first letter of an artist's
>> name to go to artists starting with that letter.
>> 
>> I'd appreciate a solution to this issue.
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> On 7/30/11, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>> 
>>> Just a note.  I was experiencing the same thing, after my upgrade to iTunes
>>> 10.4 with an approximately 2,000 song data base.  I've only got 2GB of
>>> ram--upgrading soon--on a 2009 MBP.  So, I bit the bullet, deleted the whole
>>> darned data base & rebuilt it.  No problems now.  So, my guess, something
>>> goes bump in the night with the music library with the 10.4 upgrade.  I
>>> guess that's not very scientific, but I'm happy with the results.
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> CJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
 Brian,
 
 I've experienced the exact same thing running on a mid-2009 MBP with 8 GB
 of RAM, and SSD and running in Lion. Moving up and down through my
 playlists is rather speedy and other than the main music library playlist,
 I have no issues.
 
 I'm wondering two things:
 1. In upgrading to 104, did the iTunes music database get corrupted
 somehow and is this what is causing the sluggish performance?
 2. Is there a way to repair/rebuild the database?
 
 that's my shot in the dark.
 
 Kevin
 On 2011-07-30, at 11:17 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:
 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes
> 10.4, but I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following
> specific behavior:
> If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate
> through my songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my
> songs or left and right through the fields in each song. However, I
> experience no delays when navigating through my lists of Books, Movies,
> TV Shows or even through the contents of my playlist folders.
> 
> My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are
> smaller, but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall having
> this issue in the previous version of iTunes running under SL.
> 
> This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The
> whole library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views, columns,
> and any other options I could think of.
> 
> TIA,
> Bryan
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Re: blogging app?

[Doug Lawlor]

Have a look at an app called Marsedit which you can find at 
http://www.marsedit.com. In my opinion it is the best software of it's kind. 
I've posted a keyboard reference to my blog at 
http://www.douglawlor.com/marsedit-keyboard-reference. 

Doug
On 2011-07-31, at 1:34 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

> So, is there a blogging app that I can use that will allow me to publish 
> directly to my blog from my mac?  I use to use windows live wrier which is 
> part of the windows live essentials package, and looking for an alternative.  
> Thanks.
>  
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Re: all files

[louie]

Run the below from terminal.

defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles ON 
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles OFF

On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Craig J Dunlop wrote:

> on the cartridge I use with my nls player when I plug it into my pc it has 3 
> folders one of them is a . trashes and it is quite large. the file doesn't 
> show up when I plug in to my macbook pro?
> is there a way to show all files ore something like that?
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Re: all files

[Cody]

If you get tinker tool for mac you can disable those indexing files on your 
drive. I don't know if it is supported under Lion though...
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From: "louie" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: all files



Run the below from terminal.

defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles ON
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles OFF

On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Craig J Dunlop wrote:

on the cartridge I use with my nls player when I plug it into my pc it 
has 3 folders one of them is a . trashes and it is quite large. the file 
doesn't show up when I plug in to my macbook pro?

is there a way to show all files ore something like that?

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Re: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

[Esther]

Hi Rafael,

This post that I sent just after you posted your question does not seem to have 
made it to the list, so I'll try reposting.  

A few months ago William Windels asked on list for a command line tool to do 
batch pdf to text conversions, and Tim Kilburn directed him to the pdftotext 
Shell tool found at:

http://www.bluem.net/en/mac/others/

Then in May, a list member asked again for an application that would work like 
pdf2txt on windows, and I posted that you could just download the pdftotext 
Shell tool from the above URL, and put an AppleScript wrapper around the 
command to run it from the GUI instead of from the Terminal command line.  
(Actually, I mentioned putting it into an Automator workflow, but that was 
because I was thinking about a way to get it into the Finder contextual menu; 
it's not necessary and just an AppleScript wrapper will do).  

If you download the pdftotext Shell tool, it will get installed on your 
computer into:

/usr/local/bin/pdftotext

Just open your AppleScript Editor (use Command+Shift+U in Finder to go to your 
Utilities folder, press "a p" to go to the AppleScript Editor and use 
Command+Down Arrow or Command+O to launch it) and paste in the following code 
(staring below the line labeled "Cut Here", and ending with the line "end run"):
---Cut Here---
(*
Use pdftotext to create a text version of the selected PDF file
   Created 17 May 2011
*)
on run
tell application "Finder"
set chosenFile to the selection as alias
end tell
do shell script "/usr/local/bin/pdftotext " & quoted form of POSIX path 
of chosenFile 
end run

You can use Command+K to compile it.  And to test it you can highlight one or 
more PDF files in FInder, then Command+Tab back to the AppleScript Editor and 
press Command+R to run the AppleScript.  For each .pdf file you 
highlighted, a corresponding .txt file should be created in the same 
folder.  You can save the AppleScript file with a name of your choosing (e.g., 
pdf2txt) as either a script or an application.  If you save it as an 
AppleScript and put in the "Library/Scripts" folder of your home directory, it 
will show up as one of the menu options in the AppleScripts menu on your status 
menu bar (navigated to with VO-M twice or Control+F8).  And of course, you 
could also assign this a keyboard shortcut to the AppleScript.

HTH.  You can also read some more details about accessing the 
 web site for the pdftotext shell script 
in the earlier archived list post:
• "Re: something like pdf2txt on the mac?"
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg45375.html

A second way to handle this is to use the Services menu option of "New TextEdit 
Window Containing Selection".   Check the box for this option under System 
Preferences on the "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab of the "Keyboard "menu after 
selecting "Services" in the shortcuts category table. You can also assign it a 
custom shortcut if you like.  Then, when you have a PDF open in Preview, do a 
Command+A to select all, and choose the "New TextEdit Window Containing 
Selection" option that will now appear in the "Services" submenu of the 
application on the menu bar, or apply  your custom shortcut.  A TextEdit window 
will open containing a text version of your selection.  This method can also be 
used on text selected from any application.  It's a great way to read 
inaccessible web pages by selecting their content and using the service menu 
option, because it strips off bad HTML coding that prevents VoiceOver from 
reading text content.  When applied to selections in iWork's "Pages" documents, 
it will let VoiceOver read off embedded tables or lists.  You can search the 
Mail Archive site for this list for some of the previous discussion using this 
option from earlier this year.  This method is different from simply copying 
and pasting into a TextEdit window because of the Services processing, and it 
is also much lower overhead on the system.  However, for what you want, I think 
my first outlined solution is better, and can also be applied to multiple file 
selections.

Cheers,

Esther


On Jul 31, 2011, at 02:16, Rose Morales wrote:

> I had the same question. Pdf to rtf service was the best I found. This app 
> lets you open PDF documents in text edit. You install it by copying the 
> .service file into a folder on your hard drive. The folder is specified in 
> the readme. Your document is still a PDF, so you'll have to copy and paste to 
> a new document and then save the new document in the format which you prefer. 
> Here's a download link for this app.
> http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/17950/pdf2rtfservice
> 
> Another option is to open preview, hit command-a, command-c, and paste your 
> text into text edit. This will work for most PDF's.
> 
> Hth,
> Rose
> 
> On Jul 31, 2011, at 6:08 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Abbyy Finereader Express can do that for yo

RE: great wireless headset for computer

[Sarah May]

Hi Cliff,

The wireless head set that you have sounds great.  I have a question though
that you may not be able to answer for me.  I use a notetaker called the
Braille Sense Plus.  Would this wireless blue tooth head set be able to pair
with it along with my Macbook Pro, desktop PC, and my Verizon wireless
Sampsun Haven cell phone?

Sarah

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Subject: great wireless headset for computer

So I wanted a blue tooth headset for my Imac, since my plantronics wouldn't
pair with it.  And I got some recommendations on what headset to pick with a
mic.  I wanted to take it a step further though, I wanted to be wireless, so
I could move around while using skype, and even be on my IMac.  So I got the
logitech wireless headset with behind the head design.  It ran about 99
bucvks retail but I got it off amazon for about 71 bucks.
But this thing is flawless!  It's literally plug and play.  Only thing you
need to do is go to system preferences and tell your mac to use it, and your
done.  I live inn a 1350 square foot town house, and there is no where in
the house I couldn't go without losing the connection.  The sound quality
for me is great, I don't know about the mic yet, I haven't had a chance to
set up skype or vantrillow on my computer yet since I did a clean install of
lion on tuesday.  And the best part for me is, since I don't need the
screen, I can work on things from the kitchen table, witch is about 25 feet
from my desk, and the keyboard or the headset never loses or breaks up the
connection.  So if your looking for a wireless headset for the computer,
this is the way to go.  The only thing that would make it better, is being
able to connect to the IPhone.  Can't have everything though.  HTH
> 
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Re: all files

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
There was an update to TinkerTool that came out recently for Lion. I have it 
here and it works fine.
HTH,
Jeffrey
On Jul 31, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Cody wrote:

> If you get tinker tool for mac you can disable those indexing files on your 
> drive. I don't know if it is supported under Lion though...
> - Original Message - From: "louie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:15 PM
> Subject: Re: all files
> 
> 
>> Run the below from terminal.
>> 
>> defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles ON
>> defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles OFF
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Craig J Dunlop wrote:
>> 
>>> on the cartridge I use with my nls player when I plug it into my pc it has 
>>> 3 folders one of them is a . trashes and it is quite large. the file 
>>> doesn't show up when I plug in to my macbook pro?
>>> is there a way to show all files ore something like that?
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Re: Setting up an automation with Automator...

[Darcy Burnard]

When you find the action you want, press return on it.  That will add it to 
your workflow.  If the action has any settings, you must interact with the 
workflow, then interact with the action to set them.
HTH.
Darcy

On 2011-07-31, at 8:15 AM, David Hole wrote:

> Hi folks.
> Can someone here tell me in short how I set up an automation with
> Automator using VoiceOver?
> I read the help-stuff for Automator, but it only told me to drag the
> actions somewhere, but with VO I can't find any logic place to drag
> them...
> Thanks much in advance.
> -David
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Re: blogging app?

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

I've been using mars edit for over a year now and am very happy with  
it.  It cost about $30 but it may have been less.  but being able to  
make my blog post so simply including adding attachment and entering  
html when i need to is well worth it.  take care, max

On Jul 31, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

So, is there a blogging app that I can use that will allow me to  
publish directly to my blog from my mac?  I use to use windows live  
wrier which is part of the windows live essentials package, and  
looking for an alternative.  Thanks.


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Re: all files

[craig J Dunlop]

that worked but how do I remove ore empty . trashes?
thanks so much!

On Jul 31, 2011, at 1:15 PM, louie wrote:

> Run the below from terminal.
> 
> defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles ON 
> defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles OFF
> 
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Craig J Dunlop wrote:
> 
>> on the cartridge I use with my nls player when I plug it into my pc it has 3 
>> folders one of them is a . trashes and it is quite large. the file doesn't 
>> show up when I plug in to my macbook pro?
>> is there a way to show all files ore something like that?
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recording international podcasts

[William Windels]

Hello everyone,

I am sending this mail to both lists: macvisionaries and  viphone mailing list.

I just want to share/ask something about recording podcastts for everyone.
I, and perhaps some others, who don't speak English as first language, find it 
sometimes difficult to listen to podcasts where the computer- or other 
device-voice is set fast.
IN mac terms, 40% of the speed is good but, in quiet a lot podcasts , the speed 
seems to be something like 60 or higher.
I am simply guessing but, it's fast.

> So, I would simply ask/suggest to set a lower speed if you record podcasts 
> for a international public.


Pls, let me or the list know about any comments about this.

Thx for yoru understanding and have a good day!
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Lion and two keyboard commands

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Hi All,

two quick ones for you, I'm just doing a clean install of Lion, if I need to 
bring the WiFi networks chooser or the App Store sign in screen to the Voice 
Over focus / for ground, what is the keyboard stroke again please? I believe it 
was something like control, options, FN, F2, noting this is on a MacBook.

when using Lion, how does one use the newer version of the Item Chooser, 
previously I would bring it up by VO I, then type a few letters, and with quick 
nav enabled I would press the up and down keys together to jump to the link . 
item desired. but this seems to no longer work.

thanks for any pointers.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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Re: One letter Navigation?

[Mike Arrigo]

You need to make sure quick nav is turned on, the one key navigation is part of 
that.
On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hi All.
> 
> Just having a look at Safari, also went to Safari's preferences just in case 
> I missed anything.  But how does one do one letter navigation?  Also tried 
> opening a new web page and because I had played Mark's podcast on Mail, the 
> same started playing again even though I had quit safari and restarted the 
> Mac.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> 
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Re: One letter Navigation?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Yes, I did turn quick nav on too.
On 31 Jul 2011, at 21:54, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> You need to make sure quick nav is turned on, the one key navigation is part 
> of that.
> On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Hi All.
>> 
>> Just having a look at Safari, also went to Safari's preferences just in case 
>> I missed anything.  But how does one do one letter navigation?  Also tried 
>> opening a new web page and because I had played Mark's podcast on Mail, the 
>> same started playing again even though I had quit safari and restarted the 
>> Mac.
>> 
>> Any help will be appreciated.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal Gucukoglu
>> (E-mail/MSN):
>> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
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Re: Lion and two keyboard commands

[Mike Arrigo]

The commands you give are correct, I don't think they have changed. Try 
pressing enter in the item chooser to select the item you want.
On Jul 31, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> two quick ones for you, I'm just doing a clean install of Lion, if I need to 
> bring the WiFi networks chooser or the App Store sign in screen to the Voice 
> Over focus / for ground, what is the keyboard stroke again please? I believe 
> it was something like control, options, FN, F2, noting this is on a MacBook.
> 
> when using Lion, how does one use the newer version of the Item Chooser, 
> previously I would bring it up by VO I, then type a few letters, and with 
> quick nav enabled I would press the up and down keys together to jump to the 
> link . item desired. but this seems to no longer work.
> 
> thanks for any pointers.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
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> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
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RE: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

Thanks, Esther.  I'll check it out.

Rafael

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Esther [mori...@mac.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

Hi Rafael,

This post that I sent just after you posted your question does not seem to have 
made it to the list, so I'll try reposting.

A few months ago William Windels asked on list for a command line tool to do 
batch pdf to text conversions, and Tim Kilburn directed him to the pdftotext 
Shell tool found at:

http://www.bluem.net/en/mac/others/

Then in May, a list member asked again for an application that would work like 
pdf2txt on windows, and I posted that you could just download the pdftotext 
Shell tool from the above URL, and put an AppleScript wrapper around the 
command to run it from the GUI instead of from the Terminal command line.  
(Actually, I mentioned putting it into an Automator workflow, but that was 
because I was thinking about a way to get it into the Finder contextual menu; 
it's not necessary and just an AppleScript wrapper will do).

If you download the pdftotext Shell tool, it will get installed on your 
computer into:

/usr/local/bin/pdftotext

Just open your AppleScript Editor (use Command+Shift+U in Finder to go to your 
Utilities folder, press "a p" to go to the AppleScript Editor and use 
Command+Down Arrow or Command+O to launch it) and paste in the following code 
(staring below the line labeled "Cut Here", and ending with the line "end run"):
---Cut Here---
(*
Use pdftotext to create a text version of the selected PDF file
   Created 17 May 2011
*)
on run
tell application "Finder"
set chosenFile to the selection as alias
end tell
do shell script "/usr/local/bin/pdftotext " & quoted form of POSIX path 
of chosenFile
end run

You can use Command+K to compile it.  And to test it you can highlight one or 
more PDF files in FInder, then Command+Tab back to the AppleScript Editor and 
press Command+R to run the AppleScript.  For each .pdf file you 
highlighted, a corresponding .txt file should be created in the same 
folder.  You can save the AppleScript file with a name of your choosing (e.g., 
pdf2txt) as either a script or an application.  If you save it as an 
AppleScript and put in the "Library/Scripts" folder of your home directory, it 
will show up as one of the menu options in the AppleScripts menu on your status 
menu bar (navigated to with VO-M twice or Control+F8).  And of course, you 
could also assign this a keyboard shortcut to the AppleScript.

HTH.  You can also read some more details about accessing the 
 web site for the pdftotext shell script 
in the earlier archived list post:
• "Re: something like pdf2txt on the mac?"
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg45375.html

A second way to handle this is to use the Services menu option of "New TextEdit 
Window Containing Selection".   Check the box for this option under System 
Preferences on the "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab of the "Keyboard "menu after 
selecting "Services" in the shortcuts category table. You can also assign it a 
custom shortcut if you like.  Then, when you have a PDF open in Preview, do a 
Command+A to select all, and choose the "New TextEdit Window Containing 
Selection" option that will now appear in the "Services" submenu of the 
application on the menu bar, or apply  your custom shortcut.  A TextEdit window 
will open containing a text version of your selection.  This method can also be 
used on text selected from any application.  It's a great way to read 
inaccessible web pages by selecting their content and using the service menu 
option, because it strips off bad HTML coding that prevents VoiceOver from 
reading text content.  When applied to selections in iWork's "Pages" documents, 
it will let VoiceOver read off embedded tables or lists.  You can search the 
Mail Archive site for this list for some of the previous discussion using this 
option from earlier this year.  This method is different from simply copying 
and pasting into a TextEdit window because of the Services processing, and it 
is also much lower overhead on the system.  However, for what you want, I think 
my first outlined solution is better, and can also be applied to multiple file 
selections.

Cheers,

Esther


On Jul 31, 2011, at 02:16, Rose Morales wrote:

> I had the same question. Pdf to rtf service was the best I found. This app 
> lets you open PDF documents in text edit. You install it by copying the 
> .service file into a folder on your hard drive. The folder is specified in 
> the readme. Your document is still a PDF, so you'll have to copy and paste to 
> a new document and then save the new document in the format which you prefer. 
> Here's a download link for this app.
> http://www.macupd

Re: recording international podcasts

[Esther]

Hi William,

Let me suggest that one way to cope with existing podcasts is to control 
playback speed. On the iPhone and iOS devices you can reduce speed to half for 
playback.  On your Mac, you can use VLC or Quicktime Player to play back at 
variable speed (faster or slower).  If you want to use iTunes, you can make an 
AppleScript that will playback your selected track at a speed of your choosing.

I did a quick Mail Archive search on "from:Esther playback speed" and found 
several old posts.  Here's a link to the first one:
• Re: Audio playback with speed control
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg01038.html
describes speed control capability in VLC and QuickTime
• Re: speeding up media
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg34403.html
(note that the instructions to use the QuickTime player controls now require 
using Command-Shift-R and NOT Command-R to show the file in Finder under the 
most recent iTunes)
• Re: speeding up podcasts
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg09819.html
This post includes sample AppleScripts for changing the playback speed and then 
changing back to normal speed while keeping the bookmark position -- although 
the example uses a speed up (e.g. 1.5 times or 1.33 times) you can make this a 
slower time (e.g. 0.7 times).

HTH.  Thank goodness I didn't have to use the Google Groups archive searching 
to find these posts.  The macvisionaries Mail Archive page is:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com

Just type your searches in the text box.  For tips on search syntax check the 
FAQ:
http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html

Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:34, William Windels wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am sending this mail to both lists: macvisionaries and  viphone mailing 
> list.
> 
> I just want to share/ask something about recording podcastts for everyone.
> I, and perhaps some others, who don't speak English as first language, find 
> it sometimes difficult to listen to podcasts where the computer- or other 
> device-voice is set fast.
> IN mac terms, 40% of the speed is good but, in quiet a lot podcasts , the 
> speed seems to be something like 60 or higher.
> I am simply guessing but, it's fast.
> 
>> So, I would simply ask/suggest to set a lower speed if you record podcasts 
>> for a international public.
> 
> 
> Pls, let me or the list know about any comments about this.
> 
>Thx for yoru understanding and have a good day!
> William
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Re: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

[Esther]

Hi Rafael,

Make sure in your AppleScript that everything is on one line for:

> do shell script "/usr/local/bin/pdftotext " & quoted form of POSIX path of 
> chosenFile

The mailer sometimes wraps these lines.  I think that if you select, copy, and 
paste from my post you'll be OK. If you run into problems, let me know, and 
I'll send you the script as an attachment.

Cheers,

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Re: all files

[louie]

While the card is plugged into your puter do command shift backspace.

On Jul 31, 2011, at 1:33 PM, craig J Dunlop wrote:

> that worked but how do I remove ore empty . trashes?
> thanks so much!
> 
> On Jul 31, 2011, at 1:15 PM, louie wrote:
> 
>> Run the below from terminal.
>> 
>> defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles ON 
>> defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles OFF
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Craig J Dunlop wrote:
>> 
>>> on the cartridge I use with my nls player when I plug it into my pc it has 
>>> 3 folders one of them is a . trashes and it is quite large. the file 
>>> doesn't show up when I plug in to my macbook pro?
>>> is there a way to show all files ore something like that?
>>> 
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reaper for the mac *accessibility issues*

[Justin Thornton]

hi
I have recently read on a form that reaper prerelease version 4 is pretty much 
accessible with voiceover
in my playing around I don't get much feedback when I press certain keys e.g I 
have configured a hot key f7
to arm a track
I would love to know if some one has developed a way or knows of a way I can 
make reaper give me vocal feedback from either voiceover or the system voice
could I have some help with this
or could someone point me in the write direction for the person to ask
thanks in advance
JT

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Hopeing and Wishing Apple will Fix OS X Lion VoiceOver

[Kevin Chao]

Since OS X Lion was made available, I've seen lots of blind VoiceOver
users say things such as: "I hope Apple will fix this", "I wish Apple
will fix that", and "I know Apple will fix this".

Sorry to burst people's bubbles, but Apple are not mind readers, they
don't know all these issues discussed, and are not all magical.  Apple
has lots of hardware, software, and lots of things that they are
always working on, new things, fixing bugs, and they are not all
focused on accessibility.

Why not help out Apple accessibility, who are very understanding,
commited, appreciate feedback, and will do their best to address the
feedback, as long as it was provided to begin with.

The best way to let Apple accessibility know of these issues is their
very easy to memorize and use E-mail address:
accessibil...@apple.com
or, there's the option to use AppleCare.

In either case, the more information that is provided, the better.

Please let Apple accessibility know the following:
Application (If not default, any custom preferences/settings):
Summary:
Steps to Reproduce
Expected:
Actual:
Regression (Is this bug or new to Lion, IE: were things working as
expected in OS X 10.6.8):
Notes:

Please, with your help, Apple accessibility has the opportunity to
make OS X Lion VoiceOver 4 a lot better. Now, please go out and
provide the great, detailed, and constructive feedback.

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Hotspots

[carlene knight]

Hi:

I know that the hotspots were a bit unreliable in SL but now they don't work at 
all in Lion, and the hotspot chooser shows them as inactive.  I had two of them 
set for ITunes that actually stuck, and I miss them.  How do I enable them once 
again, as I have no idea how they were disabled in the first place?  Thanks.

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RE: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

I will.  Thanks again.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Esther [mori...@mac.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

Hi Rafael,

Make sure in your AppleScript that everything is on one line for:

> do shell script "/usr/local/bin/pdftotext " & quoted form of POSIX path of 
> chosenFile

The mailer sometimes wraps these lines.  I think that if you select, copy, and 
paste from my post you'll be OK. If you run into problems, let me know, and 
I'll send you the script as an attachment.

Cheers,

Esther

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Re: great wireless headset for computer

This headset uses a USB adapter to find the headset, so as long as all these 
devices has a USB port on them, it would be able to sink.  It's plug and play, 
nothing fancy.
Kliphton SR
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(Marriage group)http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians

On Jul 31, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Sarah May wrote:

> 
> Hi Cliff,
> 
> The wireless head set that you have sounds great.  I have a question though
> that you may not be able to answer for me.  I use a notetaker called the
> Braille Sense Plus.  Would this wireless blue tooth head set be able to pair
> with it along with my Macbook Pro, desktop PC, and my Verizon wireless
> Sampsun Haven cell phone?
> 
> Sarah
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:31 PM
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> Subject: great wireless headset for computer
> 
> So I wanted a blue tooth headset for my Imac, since my plantronics wouldn't
> pair with it.  And I got some recommendations on what headset to pick with a
> mic.  I wanted to take it a step further though, I wanted to be wireless, so
> I could move around while using skype, and even be on my IMac.  So I got the
> logitech wireless headset with behind the head design.  It ran about 99
> bucvks retail but I got it off amazon for about 71 bucks.
> But this thing is flawless!  It's literally plug and play.  Only thing you
> need to do is go to system preferences and tell your mac to use it, and your
> done.  I live inn a 1350 square foot town house, and there is no where in
> the house I couldn't go without losing the connection.  The sound quality
> for me is great, I don't know about the mic yet, I haven't had a chance to
> set up skype or vantrillow on my computer yet since I did a clean install of
> lion on tuesday.  And the best part for me is, since I don't need the
> screen, I can work on things from the kitchen table, witch is about 25 feet
> from my desk, and the keyboard or the headset never loses or breaks up the
> connection.  So if your looking for a wireless headset for the computer,
> this is the way to go.  The only thing that would make it better, is being
> able to connect to the IPhone.  Can't have everything though.  HTH
>> 
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re-reaper

[chad baker]

hi justin i been trying reaper all along
there's vo issues
its real sluggish when moving the main window
also i'm running version 4 rc4
you can get it at landoleet.org

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instructions on moving mail

[Allison Manzino]

Hi all,

Does anyone have instructions on moving mailboxes to the favorites bar? I have 
tried what ricardo suggested in his podcast. But every time I do this, it 
either says item is not in view, or item cannot be moved. I have zoom expanded, 
and  full screen enabled. What am I doing wrong? Any help would be greatly 
appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Allison
 
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Re: recording international podcasts

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Thanks for this bit of advice.  I must raise my hand in guilt for forgetting to 
turn down the speech rate. :)

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On Jul 31, 2011, at 4:34 PM, William Windels wrote:

Hello everyone,

I am sending this mail to both lists: macvisionaries and  viphone mailing list.

I just want to share/ask something about recording podcastts for everyone.
I, and perhaps some others, who don't speak English as first language, find it 
sometimes difficult to listen to podcasts where the computer- or other 
device-voice is set fast.
IN mac terms, 40% of the speed is good but, in quiet a lot podcasts , the speed 
seems to be something like 60 or higher.
I am simply guessing but, it's fast.

> So, I would simply ask/suggest to set a lower speed if you record podcasts 
> for a international public.


Pls, let me or the list know about any comments about this.

   Thx for yoru understanding and have a good day!
William

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Problems with lion: dock extra and apple menu

[Sonnia]

Hi everyone. I just upgraded to lion and there's something called "com
apple.extra" or something like that. It won't go away even though it
"has no windows." Also i am hitting VO plus M to open the apple menu
but it doesn't work. I can access the top of the screen (bluetooth,
wifi icons etc.) But i can't access the apple menu. That dock extra
thing is also annoying how can i make it go away?

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Re: Problems with lion: dock extra and apple menu

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

for me, just pressing command tab makes it go away.

Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Sonnia wrote:

Hi everyone. I just upgraded to lion and there's something called "com
apple.extra" or something like that. It won't go away even though it
"has no windows." Also i am hitting VO plus M to open the apple menu
but it doesn't work. I can access the top of the screen (bluetooth,
wifi icons etc.) But i can't access the apple menu. That dock extra
thing is also annoying how can i make it go away?

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possible bug in lion with voiceover

[Mike Arrigo]

Hey everyone, wondering if anyone else can reproduce this, or if it's just 
happening on my system. I did a clean install of lion, when you first boot up, 
your mouse pointer is on the apple menu in the menu bar. I needed to access an 
application in the status menus that I can't get to with the keyboard, so I 
turned on mouse keys and tried to get the mouse pointer there, however, when 
pressing control option F5 to read what is under the mouse, voiceover does not 
read the item. The command works fine if the mouse is in a window or on the 
desktop, but when the mouse pointer is on anything in the menu bar, this 
command does not read. If you press it again, it reads the position of the 
pointer, but the first press of the command to read the item does not work. 
Does anyone notice this?

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Re: Problems with lion: dock extra and apple menu

[Mike Arrigo]

The com apple extra thing appears when you start up, just press command tab to 
go to your desktop.
On Jul 31, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Sonnia wrote:

> Hi everyone. I just upgraded to lion and there's something called "com
> apple.extra" or something like that. It won't go away even though it
> "has no windows." Also i am hitting VO plus M to open the apple menu
> but it doesn't work. I can access the top of the screen (bluetooth,
> wifi icons etc.) But i can't access the apple menu. That dock extra
> thing is also annoying how can i make it go away?
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Re: re-reaper

[Justin Thornton]

do you think that the developers are working on improvement
could they possible impliment the system voice to give feedback when arming 
tracks ect... sort of like reaper access
just have this as an option to turn on and off as needed?
On Jul 31, 2011, at 9:14 PM, chad baker wrote:

> hi justin i been trying reaper all along
> there's vo issues
> its real sluggish when moving the main window
> also i'm running version 4 rc4
> you can get it at landoleet.org
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Re: possible bug in lion with voiceover

[Ricardo Walker]

Yup,

Confirmed.  I reported this to Apple a little while ago.

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On Jul 31, 2011, at 11:09 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Hey everyone, wondering if anyone else can reproduce this, or if it's just 
happening on my system. I did a clean install of lion, when you first boot up, 
your mouse pointer is on the apple menu in the menu bar. I needed to access an 
application in the status menus that I can't get to with the keyboard, so I 
turned on mouse keys and tried to get the mouse pointer there, however, when 
pressing control option F5 to read what is under the mouse, voiceover does not 
read the item. The command works fine if the mouse is in a window or on the 
desktop, but when the mouse pointer is on anything in the menu bar, this 
command does not read. If you press it again, it reads the position of the 
pointer, but the first press of the command to read the item does not work. 
Does anyone notice this?

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Re: possible bug in lion with voiceover

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Mike,

I can confirm that this is happening for me too. First press of VO+F5 just 
makes a tone if mouse pointer is anywhere in the menu bar. Second and third 
presses behave as designed. Late 2010 MBA, Lion upgraded from SL.

Cheers,
Bryan

On Jul 31, 2011, at 11:09 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Hey everyone, wondering if anyone else can reproduce this, or if it's just 
> happening on my system. I did a clean install of lion, when you first boot 
> up, your mouse pointer is on the apple menu in the menu bar. I needed to 
> access an application in the status menus that I can't get to with the 
> keyboard, so I turned on mouse keys and tried to get the mouse pointer there, 
> however, when pressing control option F5 to read what is under the mouse, 
> voiceover does not read the item. The command works fine if the mouse is in a 
> window or on the desktop, but when the mouse pointer is on anything in the 
> menu bar, this command does not read. If you press it again, it reads the 
> position of the pointer, but the first press of the command to read the item 
> does not work. Does anyone notice this?

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Re: [Bulk] Problems with lion: dock extra and apple menu

[Ray Foret Jr]

I have found that, after a few days, the comApple Extra thingie goes away even 
after restart.  Before that, I just pressed command+tab to get rid of it.

As for your not being able to open the Apple menu structure, very strange.  
That never gave me trouble.


Sincerely,
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Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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On Jul 31, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Sonnia wrote:

> Hi everyone. I just upgraded to lion and there's something called "com
> apple.extra" or something like that. It won't go away even though it
> "has no windows." Also i am hitting VO plus M to open the apple menu
> but it doesn't work. I can access the top of the screen (bluetooth,
> wifi icons etc.) But i can't access the apple menu. That dock extra
> thing is also annoying how can i make it go away?
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Re: possible bug in lion with voiceover

[Ray Foret Jr]

Yep, I sure did notice that.  In fact, in connection with your own finding, I 
note that the Drop Box finder script caused my entire sound to mute and I 
needed to press FN+F10 to unmute the sound.  Gonna have to redo that little 
script I suppose.  


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On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Hey everyone, wondering if anyone else can reproduce this, or if it's just 
> happening on my system. I did a clean install of lion, when you first boot 
> up, your mouse pointer is on the apple menu in the menu bar. I needed to 
> access an application in the status menus that I can't get to with the 
> keyboard, so I turned on mouse keys and tried to get the mouse pointer there, 
> however, when pressing control option F5 to read what is under the mouse, 
> voiceover does not read the item. The command works fine if the mouse is in a 
> window or on the desktop, but when the mouse pointer is on anything in the 
> menu bar, this command does not read. If you press it again, it reads the 
> position of the pointer, but the first press of the command to read the item 
> does not work. Does anyone notice this?
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Re: Looking for a music creator program

[Paul Henrichsen]

Hi. According to someone at the apple store, you can write one track to work 
with the loops you create, but not more. He gave my wife another program to 
look at.
The name escapes me for the moment, but it costs around $50.

On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:07 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> did you try bringing up the edit window with command E or pressing the edit 
> button or, bringing up the keyboard with command K, which can also be found 
> in the windows menu?
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
> 
> Hi. We took a look at it last night. It has nothing in it for writing a 
> score. It all deals with loops and recorded music. Interesting, but no way to 
> enter a music score.
> Still looks like it would be fun to play with, though.
> 
> On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> I don't know this for sure but I believe it does.  Why not have her try it 
>> out?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
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>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
>> 
>> Does garage band allow one to enter a score without hooking up a midi 
>> device? Cakewalk and scorewriter allowed one to do this using a mouse. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:40 PM, "Jeff Bishop"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Couldn't Garage Band do this maybe?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Henrichsen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:38 PM
>>> To: Mac Visionaries Discussion List
>>> Subject: Looking for a music creator program
>>> 
>>> Hi, All. On the PC, my sighted wife used to use a version of Cakewalk a few
>>> years ago which allowed her to enter music one note at a time. I'm not a
>>> music reader, but i guess she could enter the staffs and create the entire
>>> choir song as if it were played on the piano. 
>>> She would use her mouse to do this.
>>> She could then save the mp3 so I could listen to it and learn my part. She
>>> could even drop the volume on the other parts so I could primarily hear the
>>> bass line.
>>> Is there anything like that on the Mac?
>>> I'd like to find something for as I know she enjoyed entering music.
>>> Since she is sighted, accessibility isn't an issue.
>>> Thanks.
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Re: speech loss

[carlene knight]

I've been losing speech often since upgrading to Lion.  If I leave my computer 
for an hour or two, I can pretty much guarantee that VO will not work.  It 
takes a while to get it toggled back on as well.  Were you using your computer  
when speech  went away?
On Jul 31, 2011, at 3:18 AM, joseph wrote:

> Hi Mark
> 
> Speech not restored  Cmd5, f10 did not help.
> 
> Best
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 31 Jul 2011, at 05:53 AM, "M. Taylor"  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Joe,
>> 
>> You wrote: 
>> " i lost speach for some reason on my iMack, how to get it back please?"
>> 
>> Joe,
>> Did you ever get speech restored back to your iMac?  If so, what was the
>> problem?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of joseph
>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:03 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Subject: speech loss
>> 
>> hi list
>> 
>> i lost speach for some reason on my iMack, how to get it back please?
>> 
>> thank you in advance
>> 
>> best
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Re: Looking for a music creator program

[Paul Henrichsen]

Hi, Karen. She used to use a program called score writer and a version of 
cakewalk to create Midi music with four or more tracks depending on the choir 
piece she was working on. 
Someone at the Apple store also suggested a program called finale as one 
possibility. 

On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi Paul!
> did anyone suggest musescore?
> 
> musescore.org
> 
> Actually others looking for a program that lets you create notation using 
> midi  might want to look at this as well, its one of the features.
> I am not 100% certain how she likes to write,  but it may be closer than some.
> I found rather a few notation and notation to mp3 type options for the mac. I 
> simply googled your question, or with a slight change, music creation 
> software for the mac?
> and found a few sites with free mac programs.
> 
> Music Creator still exists BTW, I could not discover firmly if there is a mac 
> edition however.  If you are doing anything virtual though, its still out 
> there for windows.
> cakewalk is the parent company yes.
> Last of all is mup, but this may be dated?
> Hope some of this helps,
> Karen Lewellen
> 
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi. We took a look at it last night. It has nothing in it for writing a 
>> score. It all deals with loops and recorded music. Interesting, but no way 
>> to enter a music score.
>> Still looks like it would be fun to play with, though.
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know this for sure but I believe it does.  Why not have her try it 
>>> out?
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does garage band allow one to enter a score without hooking up a midi 
>>> device? Cakewalk and scorewriter allowed one to do this using a mouse.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:40 PM, "Jeff Bishop"  wrote:
>>> 
 Couldn't Garage Band do this maybe?
 
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 Hi, All. On the PC, my sighted wife used to use a version of Cakewalk a few
 years ago which allowed her to enter music one note at a time. I'm not a
 music reader, but i guess she could enter the staffs and create the entire
 choir song as if it were played on the piano.
 She would use her mouse to do this.
 She could then save the mp3 so I could listen to it and learn my part. She
 could even drop the volume on the other parts so I could primarily hear the
 bass line.
 Is there anything like that on the Mac?
 I'd like to find something for as I know she enjoyed entering music.
 Since she is sighted, accessibility isn't an issue.
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Re: Problems with lion: dock extra and apple menu

[Sonnia]

Wow thanks guys it worked. :)

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Re: Problems with lion: dock extra and apple menu

[Teresa Cochran]

I wonder if it has anything to do with Spotlight?

Teresa
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> Wow thanks guys it worked. :)
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Re: Looking for an accessible DVD ripper

[Paul Henrichsen]

Hi, Doug. Will it work with commercial DVD's as far as making a backup copy?
Also, will it allow you to create an m4v file to put onto your iPad or iPhone?
Thanks.

On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> Check out dvd remaster. This program should do what you want and is very 
> accessible. I'm not sure how much it is because when I bought the program it 
> was on sale for 90% off the list price.
> 
> Doug
> 
> On 2011-07-29, at 1:42 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi, guys. I am looking for an accessible DVD cloning program like Handbrake. 
>> I want to convert DVD's to m4v files I can copy to my iPhone. 
>> If handbrake is accessible, that's great; but is there a better one?
>> I'd also like a program which will clone the DVD so I can have a backup and 
>> put the original away for safe keeping.
>> I have clone DVD and Clone DVD mobile along with Any DVD HD from slysoft for 
>> windows, but they are totally inaccessible under windows.
>> Is there something similar to the slysoft programs that is accessible on the 
>> mac?
>> Thanks.
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Mail classic view

[Shen]

Hi,
Wondering if anyone has seen this. You probably have to have your Mail setup 
the same as mine to see this behavior. I have my Mail set to classic view, and 
group messages by conversation.
I generally put VoiceOver on the subject line since I don't really need to know 
who is sending the emails.
OK, so I arrow to a conversation. I arrow left once to hear the sender. Now 
let's say I arrow up or down away from that conversation, then decided to go 
back. This time, a different name is in the from field.
I have not opened the conversation ahd have not read any messages in this 
conversation. Yet, the second time when I see the sender, it is different from 
the first time.
I can't pinpoint any particular pattern. But it seems to be happening randomly.
Has anyone seen this behavior?



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Re: Mail classic view

[Chris Moore]

Yes I have seen this too, and it happens in standard view also.  I think it has 
something to do with Mail sorting the items into newest first, previously the 
oldest message would appear first. I have reported this to Apple, I suggest you 
do the same.
On 1 Aug 2011, at 06:52, Shen wrote:

> Hi,
> Wondering if anyone has seen this. You probably have to have your Mail setup 
> the same as mine to see this behavior. I have my Mail set to classic view, 
> and group messages by conversation.
> I generally put VoiceOver on the subject line since I don't really need to 
> know who is sending the emails.
> OK, so I arrow to a conversation. I arrow left once to hear the sender. Now 
> let's say I arrow up or down away from that conversation, then decided to go 
> back. This time, a different name is in the from field.
> I have not opened the conversation ahd have not read any messages in this 
> conversation. Yet, the second time when I see the sender, it is different 
> from the first time.
> I can't pinpoint any particular pattern. But it seems to be happening 
> randomly.
> Has anyone seen this behavior?
> 
> 
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