EPISODE: Talking About iOS With VoiceOver Part 1, The Podcast

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

 

The following is an edited version of the most recent episode of The Secret
Life of Mark Marcus Live in which I discussed using Apple iOS devices with
VoiceOver, Apple's software screen reading solution for the blind and low
vision, published as an approximately 27 minute Candle Shore Podcast.

 

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Here to Listen to the episode.

 

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Re: Lion being released tomorrow july 20th

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I dono that I'd trust that though.  I'm going more with what Ricardo said, 
simply for the reason, lookat.  Maybe mac rumors is a good site over-all, 
but let's face the reality of something.  they saidIOS 4 would be released 
on x date, did it happen, no.  they said Lion would be released on the 6th, 
did it happen, no.  They then re? posted, and said, oh, actually it'll be on 
the 14th.  Was it?  No.  OK, is it official that Apple themselves said it 
would be today? Yes.  But Apple doesn't maintain macrumors.com and frankly, 
I don't exactly know who does, so, really, I'm finding their info to not be 
the most credible all of the time.  Maybe some times, but not all.


Think about this.

They're based in Cupertino California.  This means they're in pecific time.

Well, 8:30 in the morning eastern, where I live, would be what...  5:30 
there.  A business day, generally corporetly at least that doesn't do 3rd 
shift, and most corporation offices don't, BTW, is 8 to 5.  This means, I'd 
say, it's gonna be at least 11 eastern this morning, if not later, if I had 
to guess, and probably it won't be even 11/8, as also think of this...


they're gonna have to upload it to the server.  I mean the only work around 
to this would be if they set up last night the equivalent of a kron job, 
which is, BTW, very possible, for it to be uploaded by the time they get the 
business day started.  So, yeah, here is my look on it:


I'm with most.  It'll be here when it gets here, yes, but, more so, is it 
possible? to be here by 8:30 ready to download?  Yes.  It it probabal?  No.


Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Courtney Curran" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Lion being released tomorrow july 20th


Hi,
According to some articles on http://www.macrumors.com, it will be released 
probably around 8:30. AM Eastern.  I saw that in one of their articles that 
apple usually releases major software around that time. I don't know how 
true that is, but hey, I'm just telling you what I know, :)

Courtney
On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


Do we know around what time?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
To: "Macvisionaries" 
Cc: "Mobile Access Access" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: Lion being released tomorrow july 20th



Hi guys,

Apple announced today in their 3rd quarter earnings call that Lion will 
be available in the Mac app store tomorrow, July 20th.


hth

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Re: Lion being released tomorrow july 20th

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I plan to do a podcast, don't fret.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Georges Zaynoun" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Lion being released tomorrow july 20th


How does one do to download it from the mac app store?  I have used the
store on my ipad and ipod touch but not on the mac, maybe I did it once.
Original message:

Do we know around what time?



Chris.



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From: "Ricardo Walker" 
To: "Macvisionaries" 
Cc: "Mobile Access Access" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: Lion being released tomorrow july 20th




Hi guys,


Apple announced today in their 3rd quarter earnings call that Lion will 
be

available in the Mac app store tomorrow, July 20th.



hth



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Re: right clicking?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

vo+shift+M, or if nothing else, route your mose with command+vo+F5, then hold 
your control key down whilst literally clicking the physical mouse, provided 
track pad commander isn't on.

Chris.

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  Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:45 PM
  Subject: right clicking?


  Hello, how do you right click with VO?

   

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Re: Sephari Bookmarks Question.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What's the difference in a book mark folder, vs. a book mark collection?  I 
asked this back when, but never got an answer that I could see.


Chris.

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From: "Phantom.Vader" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:05 AM
Subject: Sephari Bookmarks Question.



Hi people!

I've been meaning to ask about this for ages now.  Back when I first
started using Sephari, I set up bookmarks folders so I could organize
my bookmarks list and keep it from getting unruly.  But the folders
I'd created don't show up in my bookmarks menu or bar, nor anywhere
else that I can find for that matter!  So, although I can create them
and add things to them, I can't access my folders or the links I've
put in them once they've been created!  So, can some one please tell
me what I'm not doing right?

Thanks, as I'd really like to get my bookmarks list tidied up so I can
find stuff more easily!


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Re: itunes billing question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Chad,

Let me guess.  You're trying to do this in windows correct?

I say this as I've had to do the same and on the windows version of ITunes 
it didn't work worth a crap!  Parden the language.  I had it work perfectly 
though on the mac side of things.


Chris.

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From: "chad baker" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:43 AM
Subject: itunes billing question



hi i'm trying to pay my balance off in the itunes store but not accessible
it said i have errors and all my credit car info is correct
how do you view your balance
thanks

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Re: EPISODE: Talking About iOS With VoiceOver Part 1, The Podcast

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What was the name again of your podcast.  I know it was the candle something or 
another...

Chris.

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  From: M. Taylor 
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  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:11 AM
  Subject: EPISODE: Talking About iOS With VoiceOver Part 1, The Podcast


  Hello All,

   

  The following is an edited version of the most recent episode of The Secret 
Life of Mark Marcus Live in which I discussed using Apple iOS devices with 
VoiceOver, Apple's software screen reading solution for the blind and low 
vision, published as an approximately 27 minute Candle Shore Podcast.

   

  Click Here to Listen to the episode.

   

  Mark


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Re: itunes billing question

[chad baker]

hi chris no i'm on the mac side
i signed into my account can't find where to find my balance
all my credit info is right it said invalid security code
its the right one
i had a sighted person check the card for me to make sure i was entering the 
right code
i e mailed apple support
thanks
On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Chad,
> 
> Let me guess.  You're trying to do this in windows correct?
> 
> I say this as I've had to do the same and on the windows version of ITunes it 
> didn't work worth a crap!  Parden the language.  I had it work perfectly 
> though on the mac side of things.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "chad baker" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:43 AM
> Subject: itunes billing question
> 
> 
>> hi i'm trying to pay my balance off in the itunes store but not accessible
>> it said i have errors and all my credit car info is correct
>> how do you view your balance
>> thanks
>> 
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Re: itunes billing question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Well, let's see...

So, if you go to the store menu with vo+M, then vo+right arrow over to it, 
if you then go down to view my account, you should then get an html web area 
content area you can interact with, and your balance should be in there.  If 
nothing else, it should show your balance as a button before you reach that 
content area.


I guess, chad, when you say you can't see your balance, I'm a little bit 
confused.  Are you saying you have some credit on your account issued by 
either Apple, or by a gift card?  That's the only way, aside a promo code, 
that your account would have a redeemed balance.


Sorry for the confusion.

I'm just trying to get a better handle on this.

As for writing Apple support, that was definitely not a bad idea. 
Hopefully, they'll get back with you within 24 business hours and let you 
know what's up.


Take care, and good luck.

Chris.

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From: "chad baker" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: itunes billing question



hi chris no i'm on the mac side
i signed into my account can't find where to find my balance
all my credit info is right it said invalid security code
its the right one
i had a sighted person check the card for me to make sure i was entering 
the right code

i e mailed apple support
thanks
On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


Chad,

Let me guess.  You're trying to do this in windows correct?

I say this as I've had to do the same and on the windows version of 
ITunes it didn't work worth a crap!  Parden the language.  I had it work 
perfectly though on the mac side of things.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "chad baker" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:43 AM
Subject: itunes billing question


hi i'm trying to pay my balance off in the itunes store but not 
accessible

it said i have errors and all my credit car info is correct
how do you view your balance
thanks

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Re: itunes billing question

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

When in the iTunes store just search for the account link with the item chooser 
or the web rotor.

hth 

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On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:40 AM, chad baker wrote:

> hi chris no i'm on the mac side
> i signed into my account can't find where to find my balance
> all my credit info is right it said invalid security code
> its the right one
> i had a sighted person check the card for me to make sure i was entering the 
> right code
> i e mailed apple support
> thanks
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> Chad,
>> 
>> Let me guess.  You're trying to do this in windows correct?
>> 
>> I say this as I've had to do the same and on the windows version of ITunes 
>> it didn't work worth a crap!  Parden the language.  I had it work perfectly 
>> though on the mac side of things.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "chad baker" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:43 AM
>> Subject: itunes billing question
>> 
>> 
>>> hi i'm trying to pay my balance off in the itunes store but not accessible
>>> it said i have errors and all my credit car info is correct
>>> how do you view your balance
>>> thanks
>>> 
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Re: [M-A] Lion being released tomorrow july 20th

[Ricardo Walker]

Yeah.

The iPad made them an absolute killing this quarter.

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On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Did you notice what else they announced.  Holy sh*t they made some money this 
> quarter!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:57 PM
> To: Macvisionaries
> Cc: Mobile Access Access
> Subject: [M-A] Lion being released tomorrow july 20th
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Apple announced today in their 3rd quarter earnings call that Lion will be 
> available in the Mac app store tomorrow, July 20th.
> 
> hth
> 
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Re: itunes billing question

[chad baker]

hi chris i have a balance i need to pay apple off
its strange never had this problem before
it worked fine in previous versions of itunes
i interacted with the html contenet i seen a bunch of stuff like edit payment 
info and purchase history
i went to purchase istory didn't see nothing
i'll keep trying i want to pay apple off i know i have money on my card to do 
it my balance is $19 that don't show up all it said invalid security code
that's same code i been using all along
thanks
On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Well, let's see...
> 
> So, if you go to the store menu with vo+M, then vo+right arrow over to it, if 
> you then go down to view my account, you should then get an html web area 
> content area you can interact with, and your balance should be in there.  If 
> nothing else, it should show your balance as a button before you reach that 
> content area.
> 
> I guess, chad, when you say you can't see your balance, I'm a little bit 
> confused.  Are you saying you have some credit on your account issued by 
> either Apple, or by a gift card?  That's the only way, aside a promo code, 
> that your account would have a redeemed balance.
> 
> Sorry for the confusion.
> 
> I'm just trying to get a better handle on this.
> 
> As for writing Apple support, that was definitely not a bad idea. Hopefully, 
> they'll get back with you within 24 business hours and let you know what's up.
> 
> Take care, and good luck.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "chad baker" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:40 AM
> Subject: Re: itunes billing question
> 
> 
>> hi chris no i'm on the mac side
>> i signed into my account can't find where to find my balance
>> all my credit info is right it said invalid security code
>> its the right one
>> i had a sighted person check the card for me to make sure i was entering the 
>> right code
>> i e mailed apple support
>> thanks
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> Chad,
>>> 
>>> Let me guess.  You're trying to do this in windows correct?
>>> 
>>> I say this as I've had to do the same and on the windows version of ITunes 
>>> it didn't work worth a crap!  Parden the language.  I had it work perfectly 
>>> though on the mac side of things.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "chad baker" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:43 AM
>>> Subject: itunes billing question
>>> 
>>> 
 hi i'm trying to pay my balance off in the itunes store but not accessible
 it said i have errors and all my credit car info is correct
 how do you view your balance
 thanks
 
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Re: [M-A] Lion being released tomorrow july 20th

[James Malone]

Well in all fairness, the site is what it is, roomers. As for what
time, its here when its here. For us Australian's, that will be
tomorrow, July 21st. I might do some sort of podcast, but someone will
probably beat me to it. I won't be able to try it until at least later
tomorrow afternoon, unless I be a rather sad person and get up early.
However, being in pecific time and all that, I can tell you now that
it would be almost pointless. Besides, what's a few more hours,
really? It will be nice when all this crap about release dates and
such are over. If you look at what Apple seem to have relayed to the
public in regards to June/July, you'd probably think it makes a lot of
sense to be out round this time. I never even try and get excited
about Mac roomers info. Also, a lot, and I mean a lot! Of info was
given out this time round as aposed to all the previous times. Anyway,
that's that.

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> Yeah.
>
> The iPad made them an absolute killing this quarter.
>
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> On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
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>> Did you notice what else they announced.  Holy sh*t they made some money
>> this quarter!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Ricardo Walker
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:57 PM
>> To: Macvisionaries
>> Cc: Mobile Access Access
>> Subject: [M-A] Lion being released tomorrow july 20th
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Apple announced today in their 3rd quarter earnings call that Lion will be
>> available in the Mac app store tomorrow, July 20th.
>>
>> hth
>>
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Look Tell Money Reader for iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Excuse the cross-post, but I thought some on bothof these lists would be 
interested.

When I downloaded an update for the LookTell money reader this morning, they 
said that the price will be going up.  so, if anyone wants it and hasn't 
purchased it, now would be the time to do so.

this last update incorporates the option of using tones to hear what your bills 
are, so that you can identify money privately.  They also said that the next 
release will feature support for international currencies, though they didn't 
specify which ones.

Beto, you might want to pass this on to the aiphone list.
Best,
Donna


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lion is now on the app store

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Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out. 

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Re: lion is now on the app store

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Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.

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Re: lion is now on the app store

[David Hole]

Hi.
Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
servers that can't handle the pressure...
-David

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RE: lion is now on the app store

[Daniel Miller]

Hi all,
I'm currently in the process of installing Lion, and will write back with a
more detailed list of things I like/dislike, and bugs.


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Hi.
Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
servers that can't handle the pressure...
-David

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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Brandon Misch]

still am downloading it. 70 something percent now. 

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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
I'm currently downloading lion. I'll let all of you know how the install 
process is when I get there.

Courtney

Sent from my iPod

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> Hi all,
> I'm currently in the process of installing Lion, and will write back with a
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> Hi.
> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
> servers that can't handle the pressure...
> -David
> 
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Ronald McEwan]

How does one know how far they are along in the download? 



In the Journey, 

Ron

On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:

> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now. 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
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>> Hi.
>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
>> servers that can't handle the pressure...
>> -David
>> 
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Teresa Cochran]

How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in the 
dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".

Teresa
On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:

> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now. 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
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>> Hi.
>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
>> servers that can't handle the pressure...
>> -David
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
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RE: lion is now on the app store

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,
If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under status.


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How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in
the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".

Teresa
On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:

> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now. 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
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>> Hi.
>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just 
>> the servers that can't handle the pressure...
>> -David
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Teresa Cochran]

Thanks for that.

Teresa
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> Hi,
> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under status.
> 
> 
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> 
> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in
> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".
> 
> Teresa
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
> 
>> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now. 
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
>> 
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>>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just 
>>> the servers that can't handle the pressure...
>>> -David
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[David Hole]

Hi.
Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has gone?

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> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under status.
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>
> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in
> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".
>
> Teresa
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>
>> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now.
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just
>>> the servers that can't handle the pressure...
>>> -David
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
 Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.

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> Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out.
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[Mac-cessibility News] Lion is now out on the app store.

[Maccessibility]

Lion is now out on the app store.

This morning Apple released Mac Os 10.7 lion in the mac app store.  The cost is
$29.95.  You must be running the latest version of snow leopard to purchase and
download this new OS.   Stay tuned to this site for more reviews of the new
accessibility features in the coming days.

You can read the rest of this news item at:
http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/07/20/lion-is-now-out-on-the-app-store/

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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Shen]

Anyone know where it is downloading to? Can't find it anywhere at the moment.

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> Hi.
> Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has gone?
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 16:00, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under status.
>> 
>> 
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:58 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: lion is now on the app store
>> 
>> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in
>> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".
>> 
>> Teresa
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>> 
>>> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
>>> 
 Hi.
 Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just
 the servers that can't handle the pressure...
 -David
 
 On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.
> 
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>> Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out.
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Matthew Alvernaz]

I'm downloading it, but the download seems to be going very slowly for some 
reason.  probably servers going crazy, but what can you do.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Shen wrote:

> Anyone know where it is downloading to? Can't find it anywhere at the moment.
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:03 AM, David Hole wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has 
>> gone?
>> 
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>>> Hi,
>>> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under status.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: lion is now on the app store
>>> 
>>> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in
>>> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>>> 
 still am downloading it. 70 something percent now.
 
 On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
 
> Hi.
> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just
> the servers that can't handle the pressure...
> -David
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
>> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.
>> 
>> On 7/20/11, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out.
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,
It downloads to the Applications folder, and will begin installing once it 
finishes.  
Best,
Zack.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Shen wrote:

> Anyone know where it is downloading to? Can't find it anywhere at the moment.
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:03 AM, David Hole wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has 
>> gone?
>> 
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>>> Hi,
>>> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under status.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:58 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: lion is now on the app store
>>> 
>>> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in
>>> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>>> 
 still am downloading it. 70 something percent now.
 
 On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
 
> Hi.
> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just
> the servers that can't handle the pressure...
> -David
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
>> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.
>> 
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Doug Lawlor]

Hi Zack,
I have downloaded the installer and it ran automatically after the download 
finished. The problem is I'm not sure where the installer downloaded to either. 
I looked in the Applications folder but found nothing that would look like the 
Mac OS10 installer. I wanted to burn a DVD but looks like I'm going to have to 
download the installer again. My mac just restarted for the second time. It 
must be installed or close to it.

Doug


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On 2011-07-20, at 1:31 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi,
> It downloads to the Applications folder, and will begin installing once it 
> finishes.  
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Shen wrote:
> 
>> Anyone know where it is downloading to? Can't find it anywhere at the moment.
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:03 AM, David Hole wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has 
>>> gone?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 16:00, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 Hi,
 If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under status.
 
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:58 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: lion is now on the app store
 
 How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in
 the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".
 
 Teresa
 On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
 
> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now.
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just
>> the servers that can't handle the pressure...
>> -David
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
>>> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.
>>> 
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Doug,
Sadly, the fact is that you need to copy the installer to another location if 
you want to make a DVD.  Yes, your machine is quite close to being done.  
Yours,
Zack.
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> Hi Zack,
> I have downloaded the installer and it ran automatically after the download 
> finished. The problem is I'm not sure where the installer downloaded to 
> either. I looked in the Applications folder but found nothing that would look 
> like the Mac OS10 installer. I wanted to burn a DVD but looks like I'm going 
> to have to download the installer again. My mac just restarted for the second 
> time. It must be installed or close to it.
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2011-07-20, at 1:31 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> It downloads to the Applications folder, and will begin installing once it 
>> finishes.  
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Shen wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone know where it is downloading to? Can't find it anywhere at the 
>>> moment.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:03 AM, David Hole wrote:
>>> 
 Hi.
 Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has 
 gone?
 
 On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 16:00, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> Hi,
> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under status.
> 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: lion is now on the app store
> 
> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in
> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".
> 
> Teresa
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
> 
>> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now.
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just
>>> the servers that can't handle the pressure...
>>> -David
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  
>>> wrote:
 Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.
 
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> Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out.
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I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Teresa Cochran]

hi, all,

Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that speech 
will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO updates are 
installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the -puter 
restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. Meanwhile, I was 
sweating bullets.

I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make his 
pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be migrated.

Just my preliminary impresνs here.

HTH,
Teresa

Winging its way from my iPod

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Re: lion is now on the app store

[David Taylor]

Replying from Lion. All is well so far.

Cheers
Dave

On 20 Jul 2011, at 14:12, David Hole wrote:

> Hi.
> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
> servers that can't handle the pressure...
> -David
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
>> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.
>> 
>> On 7/20/11, Brandon Misch  wrote:
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RE: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Jeff Bishop]

During the install you can turn VO back on and have a full talking installation 
just like you do on first install. It rocks!


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Subject: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

hi, all,

Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that speech 
will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO updates are 
installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the -puter 
restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. Meanwhile, I was 
sweating bullets.

I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make his 
pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be migrated.

Just my preliminary impresνs here.

HTH,
Teresa

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Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Shannon Dyer]

So, are you saying that apple mail will need to be reset? Will messages be lost 
during the upgrade?

Shannon
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> hi, all,
> 
> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
> 
> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
> migrated.
> 
> Just my preliminary impresνs here.
> 
> HTH,
> Teresa
> 
> Winging its way from my iPod
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Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Zachary Kline]

Hi SHannon,
When I upgraded, my messages were not lost.  They are in IMAP folders, so that 
might have something to do with it, but I doubt it.  Apple wouldn't force you 
to lose messages that way.
Best,
Zack.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Shannon Dyer wrote:

> So, are you saying that apple mail will need to be reset? Will messages be 
> lost during the upgrade?
> 
> Shannon
> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until 
> three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point 
> your media player to:
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> or
> www.mintfm.net
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> hi, all,
>> 
>> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
>> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
>> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
>> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
>> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
>> 
>> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
>> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
>> migrated.
>> 
>> Just my preliminary impresνs here.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> Winging its way from my iPod
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Doug Lawlor]

I've got it up and running here as well. 
I like the fact that when interacting with a message table in Mail you get much 
more information when up and down arrowing. 

Doug

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> Replying from Lion. All is well so far.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 
> On 20 Jul 2011, at 14:12, David Hole wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
>> servers that can't handle the pressure...
>> -David
>> 
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>>> 
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Doug Lawlor]

The problem was I couldn't find the installer in the Applications folder. 

Doug

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> Hi Doug,
> Sadly, the fact is that you need to copy the installer to another location if 
> you want to make a DVD.  Yes, your machine is quite close to being done.  
> Yours,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
> 
>> Hi Zack,
>> I have downloaded the installer and it ran automatically after the download 
>> finished. The problem is I'm not sure where the installer downloaded to 
>> either. I looked in the Applications folder but found nothing that would 
>> look like the Mac OS10 installer. I wanted to burn a DVD but looks like I'm 
>> going to have to download the installer again. My mac just restarted for the 
>> second time. It must be installed or close to it.
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2011-07-20, at 1:31 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> It downloads to the Applications folder, and will begin installing once it 
>>> finishes.  
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Shen wrote:
>>> 
 Anyone know where it is downloading to? Can't find it anywhere at the 
 moment.
 
 On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:03 AM, David Hole wrote:
 
> Hi.
> Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has 
> gone?
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 16:00, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under 
>> status.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:58 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: lion is now on the app store
>> 
>> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in
>> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".
>> 
>> Teresa
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>> 
>>> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
>>> 
 Hi.
 Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just
 the servers that can't handle the pressure...
 -David
 
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> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.
> 
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Brandon Misch]

same here except i can't get the new voices to download. 

On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:07 PM, David Taylor wrote:

> Replying from Lion. All is well so far.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 
> On 20 Jul 2011, at 14:12, David Hole wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
>> servers that can't handle the pressure...
>> -David
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
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>>> 
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Brandon,
The voices download from within VoiceOver Utility, on the speech tab.  THe way 
to do this is to find the default voice popup button and select it, then find 
the customize item and select that.  From there, you have a table of checkboxes 
which you can click to select individual voices.  
Hope this helps,
Zack.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:

> same here except i can't get the new voices to download. 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:07 PM, David Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Replying from Lion. All is well so far.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>> 
>> On 20 Jul 2011, at 14:12, David Hole wrote:
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>>> Hi.
>>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
>>> servers that can't handle the pressure...
>>> -David
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
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What is this Lion and should I heard of it? hahaha

[Red.Falcon]

Hi All!
Well I'll join those of you who have Lion as soon as finances allow!
So looking forward to peoples views!
And because I'll have to wait I'll also here about problems!
But I really hope all you who get it a good experience and some fun as well!
Colin

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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Doug,
I'm afraid you need to copy the installer out from the Applications folder 
before using it, as it self-destructs after use.  You can quit it when it 
begins in order to do this, since you already have Lion up and running.  
Best,
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On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> The problem was I couldn't find the installer in the Applications folder. 
> 
> Doug
> 
> On 2011-07-20, at 1:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
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>> Hi Doug,
>> Sadly, the fact is that you need to copy the installer to another location 
>> if you want to make a DVD.  Yes, your machine is quite close to being done.  
>> Yours,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Zack,
>>> I have downloaded the installer and it ran automatically after the download 
>>> finished. The problem is I'm not sure where the installer downloaded to 
>>> either. I looked in the Applications folder but found nothing that would 
>>> look like the Mac OS10 installer. I wanted to burn a DVD but looks like I'm 
>>> going to have to download the installer again. My mac just restarted for 
>>> the second time. It must be installed or close to it.
>>> 
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 2011-07-20, at 1:31 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 It downloads to the Applications folder, and will begin installing once it 
 finishes.  
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Shen wrote:
 
> Anyone know where it is downloading to? Can't find it anywhere at the 
> moment.
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:03 AM, David Hole wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has 
>> gone?
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 16:00, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under 
>>> status.
>>> 
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>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: lion is now on the app store
>>> 
>>> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry 
>>> in
>>> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading".
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>>> 
 still am downloading it. 70 something percent now.
 
 On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote:
 
> Hi.
> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just
> the servers that can't handle the pressure...
> -David
> 
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>> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.
>> 
>> On 7/20/11, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out.
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[David Taylor]

It said they weren't there when I first tried, but they are now!

On 20 Jul 2011, at 17:27, Brandon Misch wrote:

> same here except i can't get the new voices to download. 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:07 PM, David Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Replying from Lion. All is well so far.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>> 
>> On 20 Jul 2011, at 14:12, David Hole wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
>>> servers that can't handle the pressure...
>>> -David
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
 Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.
 
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VO Profile Export/Import Location

[Eric Caron]

Hi Listers,

It has been some time since my Voice Over acted up.  But it just 
happened.  I would like to import my VO settings from the backup I exported.  
Only thing is I can't for the life of me remember where I go to import and 
export the VO settings!  I looked in the places I thought it would be in the 
Universal preferences and Voice Over utility but did not find it.  Can someone 
point me in the right direction?

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Re: lion is now on the app store

After lion finish s downloading, how do you stop it from installing so you can 
burn it to a DVD?  And where would you find it?
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On Jul 20, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Brandon,
> The voices download from within VoiceOver Utility, on the speech tab.  THe 
> way to do this is to find the default voice popup button and select it, then 
> find the customize item and select that.  From there, you have a table of 
> checkboxes which you can click to select individual voices.  
> Hope this helps,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
> 
>> same here except i can't get the new voices to download. 
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:07 PM, David Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Replying from Lion. All is well so far.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On 20 Jul 2011, at 14:12, David Hole wrote:
>>> 
 Hi.
 Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
 servers that can't handle the pressure...
 -David
 
 On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone  wrote:
> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought.
> 
> On 7/20/11, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>> Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out.
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trying to download lion?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm 
Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening.  The 
downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the info about 
Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is this what should be 
happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
TIA,
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RE: trying to download lion?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

Go to the purchased section of the mac app store. Once there, you'll see the
progress of the Lion download, since the file is quite large. It will take
quite a bit of time to download.


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Subject: trying to download lion?

Hi all,

So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm
Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening.
The downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the info
about Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is this what
should be happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
TIA,
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never mind last

[Donna Goodin]

I went and checked for unfinished downloads and it says it's downloading.  I 
would have thought that the downloads folder would have opened.  But I'll 
assume all is well.
Best,
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Re: trying to download lion?

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Hi Dona,
Yes, this is the what happens.  You can monitor the progress of the download 
via the purchases button in the toolbar.  Also, the installer will open 
automatically when the download finishes.
Best,
Zack.
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> 
> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm 
> Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening.  The 
> downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the info about 
> Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is this what should be 
> happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: trying to download lion?

Yes, my wife said she saw nothing in terms of a progress bar either, so i 
assume it will let us know when it's done.  I hope so, because I want to do a 
clean install.
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> Hi all,
> 
> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm 
> Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening.  The 
> downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the info about 
> Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is this what should be 
> happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: What is this Lion and should I heard of it? hahaha

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

I, too, shall be waiting a fortnight before upgrading the kitty, as finances 
dictate I take a hurry up and wait posture.  I'm watching this thread with 
interest.


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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Mary Otten]

I haven't downloaded Lion yet. I hope there is a way to make mail act like it 
did in SL with respect to how much you hear when arrowing through the messages 
table. I want only the subject line. The rest is so much unwanted chat from my 
point of view, slowing the speed with which one can move through a ton of 
messages, many of which get deleted without reading, based on their subject 
line. Is it still possible to set things up such that the column you're on when 
you arrow is the only thing that is read as you move down?

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Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I did notice that Alex seems a little better.  So far, I've not seen much, but 
I do love what I have seen.

Chris.
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> hi, all,
> 
> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
> 
> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
> migrated.
> 
> Just my preliminary impresνs here.
> 
> HTH,
> Teresa
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> Winging its way from my iPod
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Brandon Misch]

hey thanks. anyway to get rid of the voices you didn't want or just wanting to 
just get rid of them? 
thanks. 

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> Hi Brandon,
> The voices download from within VoiceOver Utility, on the speech tab.  THe 
> way to do this is to find the default voice popup button and select it, then 
> find the customize item and select that.  From there, you have a table of 
> checkboxes which you can click to select individual voices.  
> Hope this helps,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
> 
>> same here except i can't get the new voices to download. 
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:07 PM, David Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Replying from Lion. All is well so far.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On 20 Jul 2011, at 14:12, David Hole wrote:
>>> 
 Hi.
 Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the
 servers that can't handle the pressure...
 -David
 
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> 
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Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Zackery,

You're exactly correct.  It doesn't matter.  I have my gmail set via pop3, and 
so do I with my RoadRunner, and in both cases, it is fine.  I wish that Alex 
was a little bit more responsive with typing key echo, but aside that…  one 
thing I do wonder is in Mail, how do you turn the auto spell correction feature 
off?  It's driving me to drinking!

Chris.
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> Hi SHannon,
> When I upgraded, my messages were not lost.  They are in IMAP folders, so 
> that might have something to do with it, but I doubt it.  Apple wouldn't 
> force you to lose messages that way.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Shannon Dyer wrote:
> 
>> So, are you saying that apple mail will need to be reset? Will messages be 
>> lost during the upgrade?
>> 
>> Shannon
>> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until 
>> three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point 
>> your media player to:
>> http://mojoradio.us/listen
>> or
>> www.mintfm.net
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> hi, all,
>>> 
>>> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
>>> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
>>> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
>>> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
>>> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
>>> 
>>> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
>>> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
>>> migrated.
>>> 
>>> Just my preliminary impresνs here.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> Winging its way from my iPod
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Re: lion is now on the app store

Mine already does that, the one thing I did is turn off the preview pain, also 
told mail in preferences how much info I wanted to know.  HTH
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On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> I haven't downloaded Lion yet. I hope there is a way to make mail act like it 
> did in SL with respect to how much you hear when arrowing through the 
> messages table. I want only the subject line. The rest is so much unwanted 
> chat from my point of view, slowing the speed with which one can move through 
> a ton of messages, many of which get deleted without reading, based on their 
> subject line. Is it still possible to set things up such that the column 
> you're on when you arrow is the only thing that is read as you move down?
> 
> Mary
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Mary,
Indeed it is.  There is an option to use the classic layout, more or less 
identical to the SL way of doing things. This is in the View tab of Mail 
preferences.  You can use VO to read only subject lines in the same way you do 
now.
Best,
Zack.
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> I haven't downloaded Lion yet. I hope there is a way to make mail act like it 
> did in SL with respect to how much you hear when arrowing through the 
> messages table. I want only the subject line. The rest is so much unwanted 
> chat from my point of view, slowing the speed with which one can move through 
> a ton of messages, many of which get deleted without reading, based on their 
> subject line. Is it still possible to set things up such that the column 
> you're on when you arrow is the only thing that is read as you move down?
> 
> Mary
> 
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Re: trying to download lion?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Has anyone yet been able to figure out where in the heck the app store actually 
puts the installer for Lion?  What if I wanted to back the installer up on a 
dvd?  Is the installer not a .app file etc?

Chris
On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Dona,
> Yes, this is the what happens.  You can monitor the progress of the download 
> via the purchases button in the toolbar.  Also, the installer will open 
> automatically when the download finishes.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm 
>> Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening.  
>> The downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the info 
>> about Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is this what 
>> should be happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: trying to download lion?

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Chris,
THe installer is put in the Applications folder, but after it is used to 
install the system it self-destructs.  To prevent this you can quit it 
initially with cmd-q, and you'll find it in there.
Best,
Zack.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Has anyone yet been able to figure out where in the heck the app store 
> actually puts the installer for Lion?  What if I wanted to back the installer 
> up on a dvd?  Is the installer not a .app file etc?
> 
> Chris
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dona,
>> Yes, this is the what happens.  You can monitor the progress of the download 
>> via the purchases button in the toolbar.  Also, the installer will open 
>> automatically when the download finishes.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm 
>>> Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening.  
>>> The downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the info 
>>> about Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is this what 
>>> should be happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: question about lion and mail

[Shannon Dyer]

I have mine set up in IMap folders as well. But, when Lion is installed, will I 
have to reconfigure the mail app? This will be my first time switching from one 
Os to another, so I'm not clear exactly what will happen.

Shannon
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or
www.mintfm.net

On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi SHannon,
> When I upgraded, my messages were not lost.  They are in IMAP folders, so 
> that might have something to do with it, but I doubt it.  Apple wouldn't 
> force you to lose messages that way.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Shannon Dyer wrote:
> 
>> So, are you saying that apple mail will need to be reset? Will messages be 
>> lost during the upgrade?
>> 
>> Shannon
>> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until 
>> three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point 
>> your media player to:
>> http://mojoradio.us/listen
>> or
>> www.mintfm.net
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> hi, all,
>>> 
>>> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
>>> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
>>> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
>>> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
>>> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
>>> 
>>> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
>>> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
>>> migrated.
>>> 
>>> Just my preliminary impresνs here.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> Winging its way from my iPod
>>> 
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RE: question about lion and mail

[Daniel Miller]

Shannon,
No, everything will remain configured when you get Lion installed. The only 
thing you may have to do is click a Continue button to let it perform a small 
upgrade to your folders.


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On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question about lion and mail

I have mine set up in IMap folders as well. But, when Lion is installed, will I 
have to reconfigure the mail app? This will be my first time switching from one 
Os to another, so I'm not clear exactly what will happen.

Shannon
Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until 
three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your 
media player to:
http://mojoradio.us/listen
or
www.mintfm.net

On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi SHannon,
> When I upgraded, my messages were not lost.  They are in IMAP folders, so 
> that might have something to do with it, but I doubt it.  Apple wouldn't 
> force you to lose messages that way.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Shannon Dyer wrote:
> 
>> So, are you saying that apple mail will need to be reset? Will messages be 
>> lost during the upgrade?
>> 
>> Shannon
>> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until 
>> three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point 
>> your media player to:
>> http://mojoradio.us/listen
>> or
>> www.mintfm.net
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> hi, all,
>>> 
>>> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
>>> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
>>> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
>>> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
>>> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
>>> 
>>> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
>>> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
>>> migrated.
>>> 
>>> Just my preliminary impresνs here.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> Winging its way from my iPod
>>> 
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Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey all. I'd like to share my impressions of this wonderful OS as well. I like 
the new voices, including Samantha. Yes, you heard me, I like the Samantha 
voice very much. And I like that I can use it the same way I used Snow Leopard. 
I thought that I'd have to reply on the track pad for everything. I've noticed 
a couple of bugs though. The first, well I don't know if this is really a bug, 
but when starting it up it's a slow startup. Also, when I was reading all of 
your messages, I've noticed that once in a while Samantha would kinda talk in a 
chipmunk voice here and there. I don't know if this is the case with the other 
Nuance voices, but hopefully this bug will be fixed soon. All in all, this is 
an awesome OS!

Shawn

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What can I do if Lion install fails?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

My Lion install appears to have failed.  I tried to initialize VO, since an 
earlier message said that you could do this.  When I did, I was taken into the 
VO utilities area, and the only way I could exit it was to restart.  So I did.  
After a couple of go-rounds with this, my Mac rebooted, but unfortunately it 
says it's running 6.8..  I went back to the App store, and it says Lion was 
installed.  Can anyone help?

Meanwhile, not sure what the earlier posted was talking about, but If you try 
and install Lion, DON'T TRY AND START VO!
Best,
Donna

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RE: What can I do if Lion install fails?

[Daniel Miller]

Donna,

Go into your applications folder, and rerun the lion installer again. This
should fix the problem and allow you to try to install.
I hope this helps!

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: What can I do if Lion install fails?

Hi all,

My Lion install appears to have failed.  I tried to initialize VO, since an
earlier message said that you could do this.  When I did, I was taken into
the VO utilities area, and the only way I could exit it was to restart.  So
I did.  After a couple of go-rounds with this, my Mac rebooted, but
unfortunately it says it's running 6.8..  I went back to the App store, and
it says Lion was installed.  Can anyone help?

Meanwhile, not sure what the earlier posted was talking about, but If you
try and install Lion, DON'T TRY AND START VO!
Best,
Donna

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Re: What can I do if Lion install fails?

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Dona,
I'm not sure what is happening in your case.  I didn't have an install failure, 
and in fact the whole process was quite seamless.  I'd recommend trying again, 
after perhaps restoring to a known good backup of 10.6.8 if you have one, just 
to be sure.  All I did when installing was click Continue a few times and let 
the mac restart, after which I could hit cmd-F5 to start VO.  The installer was 
completely automatic, and the only thing I needed to do was hit restart at the 
end to finish things up.  
I'm sorry not to be more helpful, but I'm not sure what else to tell you as my 
own experience was quite dissimilar.
Best,
Zack.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> My Lion install appears to have failed.  I tried to initialize VO, since an 
> earlier message said that you could do this.  When I did, I was taken into 
> the VO utilities area, and the only way I could exit it was to restart.  So I 
> did.  After a couple of go-rounds with this, my Mac rebooted, but 
> unfortunately it says it's running 6.8..  I went back to the App store, and 
> it says Lion was installed.  Can anyone help?
> 
> Meanwhile, not sure what the earlier posted was talking about, but If you try 
> and install Lion, DON'T TRY AND START VO!
> Best,
> Donna
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dropbox and lyon

[louie]

Has any of you that has installed lyon found any change in how you get to the 
dropbox menu?
Tanks

louie
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Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
I can add to this about the vo 45 minute update, you can press command f5, and 
you'll get the Fred voice which then you can see your install and update 
progress.
HTH,
Courtney
On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> hi, all,
> 
> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
> 
> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
> migrated.
> 
> Just my preliminary impresνs here.
> 
> HTH,
> Teresa
> 
> Winging its way from my iPod
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Re: lion is now on the app store

[Andre Nuno Soares]

Hello all,

For those who want to know more about Lion before jumping in, check John 
Siracusa's totally thorough review on ArsTechnica:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars

Obviously, it's from a sighted person's point of view, but still very 
interesting.


Cheers,
André

On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Mary,
> Indeed it is.  There is an option to use the classic layout, more or less 
> identical to the SL way of doing things. This is in the View tab of Mail 
> preferences.  You can use VO to read only subject lines in the same way you 
> do now.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> I haven't downloaded Lion yet. I hope there is a way to make mail act like 
>> it did in SL with respect to how much you hear when arrowing through the 
>> messages table. I want only the subject line. The rest is so much unwanted 
>> chat from my point of view, slowing the speed with which one can move 
>> through a ton of messages, many of which get deleted without reading, based 
>> on their subject line. Is it still possible to set things up such that the 
>> column you're on when you arrow is the only thing that is read as you move 
>> down?
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

i'd like !thank you guys for pointing out that VO can be used during
the install. I jumped the gun, and I didn't want to cause usndue
alarm.

Thanks,
Teresa

Courtney Curran wrote:
> Hi,
> I can add to this about the vo 45 minute update, you can press command f5, 
> and you'll get the Fred voice which then you can see your install and update 
> progress.
>HTH,
> Courtney
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>
> > hi, all,
> >
> > Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
> > speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
> > updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
> > -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
> > Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
> >
> > I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
> > his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
> > migrated.
> >
> > Just my preliminary impresνs here.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Teresa
> >
> > Winging its way from my iPod
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Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Krister Ekstrom]

I have installed Lion here and am trying it out. I'm quite impressed with the 
many voices you get and also i think i will like the new mail very much. It's 
good that you actually can hear how many mails are in a thread and also that 
you hear the first lines of a message, so you know if you want to continue 
reading the thread. I also like what i've seen about the new drag & drop. 
Tested dredging something from the finder to Mail, and managed to get it where 
i wanted it, cool!
/Krister
20 jul 2011 kl. 19:33 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland:

> I did notice that Alex seems a little better.  So far, I've not seen much, 
> but I do love what I have seen.
> 
> Chris.
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> 
>> hi, all,
>> 
>> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
>> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
>> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
>> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
>> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
>> 
>> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
>> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
>> migrated.
>> 
>> Just my preliminary impresνs here.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> Winging its way from my iPod
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Re: What can I do if Lion install fails?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Daniel,  

thanks.  I also saw Zack's message, so I'm pleased to report that I'm up and 
running in Lion, and so far all is well.  Not sure yet what I think about the 
new mail, but I think I'll give myself some time to get used to it before 
passing judgment. :)

Love having the voices for other languages.

Thank you and also you, Zack for the help earlier.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Donna,
> 
> Go into your applications folder, and rerun the lion installer again. This
> should fix the problem and allow you to try to install.
> I hope this helps!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: What can I do if Lion install fails?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My Lion install appears to have failed.  I tried to initialize VO, since an
> earlier message said that you could do this.  When I did, I was taken into
> the VO utilities area, and the only way I could exit it was to restart.  So
> I did.  After a couple of go-rounds with this, my Mac rebooted, but
> unfortunately it says it's running 6.8..  I went back to the App store, and
> it says Lion was installed.  Can anyone help?
> 
> Meanwhile, not sure what the earlier posted was talking about, but If you
> try and install Lion, DON'T TRY AND START VO!
> Best,
> Donna
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A note about setting the preview pane in Mail.

[Dan]

Hello list,
It is now really easy to set the preview pane. All you have to do is to 
interact with the horizontal bar just to the right of the message content table 
and up arrow till you 0 it out. Then stop interacting. No more need to click to 
set it.
Hope this helps someone.


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Re: What can I do if Lion install fails?

[Donna Goodin]

Wow, that's really bizarre.  I didn't try starting VO the second time around, 
given my results the first time. :)

Anyway, all's well that ends well.  I'm back up, and everything looks good.
Best,
Donna

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> Hi Dona,
> I'm not sure what is happening in your case.  I didn't have an install 
> failure, and in fact the whole process was quite seamless.  I'd recommend 
> trying again, after perhaps restoring to a known good backup of 10.6.8 if you 
> have one, just to be sure.  All I did when installing was click Continue a 
> few times and let the mac restart, after which I could hit cmd-F5 to start 
> VO.  The installer was completely automatic, and the only thing I needed to 
> do was hit restart at the end to finish things up.  
> I'm sorry not to be more helpful, but I'm not sure what else to tell you as 
> my own experience was quite dissimilar.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My Lion install appears to have failed.  I tried to initialize VO, since an 
>> earlier message said that you could do this.  When I did, I was taken into 
>> the VO utilities area, and the only way I could exit it was to restart.  So 
>> I did.  After a couple of go-rounds with this, my Mac rebooted, but 
>> unfortunately it says it's running 6.8..  I went back to the App store, and 
>> it says Lion was installed.  Can anyone help?
>> 
>> Meanwhile, not sure what the earlier posted was talking about, but If you 
>> try and install Lion, DON'T TRY AND START VO!
>> Best,
>> Donna
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safari question in lion

[chad baker]

hi does anyone know where the download progress is in safari when downloading 
something
can't find it
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one bad thing I've found in mail

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Well, I'm sad to say that the Option Down arrow command that used to move you 
to the top and bottom of the message list is now gone. (sigh)
Best,
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Re: safari question in lion

[John Panarese]

When you are downloading something, you need to stop interacting with the 
html area.  You find find a downloads button.  There might be a keyboard 
shortcut as well, but I am not sure.

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



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> something
> can't find it
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Re: one bad thing I've found in mail

[Ronald McEwan]

VO+home and VO+end will do that. 



In the Journey, 

Ron

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> Hi all,
> 
> Well, I'm sad to say that the Option Down arrow command that used to move you 
> to the top and bottom of the message list is now gone. (sigh)
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: safari question in lion

[Anne Robertson]

To get to the downloads in Safari, go to the Google search box with 
Cmd-Option-f then VO-Right arrow once and you're on the Downloads button.

Cheers,

Anne


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> hi does anyone know where the download progress is in safari when downloading 
> something
> can't find it
> thanks
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Re: trying to download lion?

[Tammy]

What’s the best way to get to the aps folder?  It’s in the doc but it appears 
you can’t get there via that shortcut.


\Tammy
From: Zachary Kline 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: trying to download lion?

Hi Chris,
THe installer is put in the Applications folder, but after it is used to 
install the system it self-destructs.  To prevent this you can quit it 
initially with cmd-q, and you'll find it in there.
Best,
Zack.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Has anyone yet been able to figure out where in the heck the app store 
> actually puts the installer for Lion?  What if I wanted to back the installer 
> up on a dvd?  Is the installer not a .app file etc?
> 
> Chris
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dona,
>> Yes, this is the what happens.  You can monitor the progress of the download 
>> via the purchases button in the toolbar.  Also, the installer will open 
>> automatically when the download finishes.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm 
>>> Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening.  
>>> The downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the info 
>>> about Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is this what 
>>> should be happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: one bad thing I've found in mail

[Marc Workman]

VO home/end is not working for me.  I've tried interacting in various ways, 
but all that happens when I press VO home/end is that focus is moved by a 
few messages.  If I keep pressing VO home/end, focus stays on that message, 
yet if I move up or down once, and then press VO home/end, it again shifts 
several messages.  I can't determine any pattern explaining why it stops at 
the messages it stops at.


Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Marc
- Original Message - 
From: "Ronald McEwan" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: one bad thing I've found in mail



VO+home and VO+end will do that.



In the Journey,

Ron

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Hi all,

Well, I'm sad to say that the Option Down arrow command that used to move 
you to the top and bottom of the message list is now gone. (sigh)

Best,
Donna

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RE: trying to download lion?

[Daniel Miller]

Tammy,

 

Go to the finder, and press CMD+Shift+A.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tammy
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: trying to download lion?

 

What's the best way to get to the aps folder?  It's in the doc but it
appears you can't get there via that shortcut.

 

 

\Tammy

From: Zachary Kline   

Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:41 PM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: trying to download lion?

 

Hi Chris,
THe installer is put in the Applications folder, but after it is used to
install the system it self-destructs.  To prevent this you can quit it
initially with cmd-q, and you'll find it in there.
Best,
Zack.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Has anyone yet been able to figure out where in the heck the app store
actually puts the installer for Lion?  What if I wanted to back the
installer up on a dvd?  Is the installer not a .app file etc?
> 
> Chris
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dona,
>> Yes, this is the what happens.  You can monitor the progress of the
download via the purchases button in the toolbar.  Also, the installer will
open automatically when the download finishes.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked
Confirm Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is
happening.  The downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page
with the info about Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is
this what should be happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: trying to download lion?

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,
Try cmd-shift-a from the desktop, that works well enough.  You can actually get 
to the folder from the dock too, but its' a bit complicated.
Best,
Zack.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Tammy wrote:

> What’s the best way to get to the aps folder?  It’s in the doc but it appears 
> you can’t get there via that shortcut.
>  
>  
> \Tammy
> From: Zachary Kline
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: trying to download lion?
>  
> Hi Chris,
> THe installer is put in the Applications folder, but after it is used to 
> install the system it self-destructs.  To prevent this you can quit it 
> initially with cmd-q, and you'll find it in there.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone yet been able to figure out where in the heck the app store 
> > actually puts the installer for Lion?  What if I wanted to back the 
> > installer up on a dvd?  Is the installer not a .app file etc?
> > 
> > Chris
> > On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi Dona,
> >> Yes, this is the what happens.  You can monitor the progress of the 
> >> download via the purchases button in the toolbar.  Also, the installer 
> >> will open automatically when the download finishes.
> >> Best,
> >> Zack.
> >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> 
> >>> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm 
> >>> Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening.  
> >>> The downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the 
> >>> info about Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is this 
> >>> what should be happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
> >>> TIA,
> >>> Donna
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Re: trying to download lion?

[Tammy]

Hi,

Oh thank you so much!  

Tammy

From: Daniel Miller 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: trying to download lion?

Tammy,

 

Go to the finder, and press CMD+Shift+A.

 

 

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On Behalf Of Tammy
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: trying to download lion?

 

What’s the best way to get to the aps folder?  It’s in the doc but it appears 
you can’t get there via that shortcut.

 

 

\Tammy

From: Zachary Kline 

Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:41 PM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: trying to download lion?

 

Hi Chris,
THe installer is put in the Applications folder, but after it is used to 
install the system it self-destructs.  To prevent this you can quit it 
initially with cmd-q, and you'll find it in there.
Best,
Zack.
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> Has anyone yet been able to figure out where in the heck the app store 
> actually puts the installer for Lion?  What if I wanted to back the installer 
> up on a dvd?  Is the installer not a .app file etc?
> 
> Chris
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dona,
>> Yes, this is the what happens.  You can monitor the progress of the download 
>> via the purchases button in the toolbar.  Also, the installer will open 
>> automatically when the download finishes.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm 
>>> Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening.  
>>> The downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the info 
>>> about Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is this what 
>>> should be happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: trying to download lion?

[carolyn Haas]

Tammy:
Cmd-shift-A will get you to the applications folder.


On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Tammy wrote:

> What’s the best way to get to the aps folder?  It’s in the doc but it appears 
> you can’t get there via that shortcut.
>  
>  
> \Tammy
> From: Zachary Kline
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: trying to download lion?
>  
> Hi Chris,
> THe installer is put in the Applications folder, but after it is used to 
> install the system it self-destructs.  To prevent this you can quit it 
> initially with cmd-q, and you'll find it in there.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone yet been able to figure out where in the heck the app store 
> > actually puts the installer for Lion?  What if I wanted to back the 
> > installer up on a  dvd?  Is the installer not a .app file etc?
> > 
> > Chris
> > On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi Dona,
> >> Yes, this is the what happens.  You can monitor the progress of the 
> >> download via the purchases button in the toolbar.  Also, the installer 
> >> will open automatically when the download finishes.
> >> Best,
> >> Zack.
> >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> 
> >>> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm 
> >>> Purchase.  It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening.  
> >>> The downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the 
> >>> info about Lion.  It's been like this for about five minutes.  Is this 
> >>> what should be happening?  If not, any suggestions for next steps?
> >>> TIA,
> >>> Donna
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Re: one bad thing I've found in mail

[Donna Goodin]

Yes, but that requires pressing fifty gazillion keys.  I don't have that many 
fingers.
Donna


On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote:

> VO+home and VO+end will do that. 
> 
> 
> 
> In the Journey, 
> 
> Ron
> 
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> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Well, I'm sad to say that the Option Down arrow command that used to move 
>> you to the top and bottom of the message list is now gone. (sigh)
>> Best,
>> Donna
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Re: one bad thing I've found in mail

[Ronald McEwan]

Sorry that should be vo+shift+home and vo+shift+end. 


In the Journey, 

Ron

On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Marc Workman wrote:

> VO home/end is not working for me.  I've tried interacting in various ways, 
> but all that happens when I press VO home/end is that focus is moved by a few 
> messages.  If I keep pressing VO home/end, focus stays on that message, yet 
> if I move up or down once, and then press VO home/end, it again shifts 
> several messages.  I can't determine any pattern explaining why it stops at 
> the messages it stops at.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Marc
> - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: one bad thing I've found in mail
> 
> 
>> VO+home and VO+end will do that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In the Journey,
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Well, I'm sad to say that the Option Down arrow command that used to move 
>>> you to the top and bottom of the message list is now gone. (sigh)
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
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one more bad thing in mail

[Donna Goodin]

VO has also stopped reading the message status.  Anyone else noticed this?
Best,
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Lion, Voice Over and Adium

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey all. I just found another glitch. When using Voice Over in Lion, if you're 
using one of the Nuance voices and you have Adium events spoken aloud to you, 
prepare to not receive them. But if you're using Alex, then you have nothing to 
fear. I hope this gets fixed soon.

Shawn

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Re: one more bad thing in mail

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Hi DOnna,
Can you clarify this a bit?  I see unread and read message status just fine, 
though the status does change because of the way I have my preview pane set up.
Best,
Zack.
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> VO has also stopped reading the message status.  Anyone else noticed this?
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: one more bad thing in mail

[Donna Goodin]

Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier.  
Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status information.
Best,
Donna

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> Can you clarify this a bit?  I see unread and read message status just fine, 
> though the status does change because of the way I have my preview pane set 
> up.
> Best,
> Zack.
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>> Best,
>> Donna
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Re: one more bad thing in mail

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Dona,
How are you moving between messages?  I'm using the arrow keys alone, without 
the VO keys.  a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad.  Similarly, I don't 
interact with the list.
Best,
Zack.
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> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier.  
> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status information.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi DOnna,
>> Can you clarify this a bit?  I see unread and read message status just fine, 
>> though the status does change because of the way I have my preview pane set 
>> up.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> VO has also stopped reading the message status.  Anyone else noticed this?
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
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Re: one more bad thing in mail

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Zack,

I'm doing the same thing you are.
Best,
Donna
On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Dona,
> How are you moving between messages?  I'm using the arrow keys alone, without 
> the VO keys.  a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad.  Similarly, I don't 
> interact with the list.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier.  
>> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status information.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi DOnna,
>>> Can you clarify this a bit?  I see unread and read message status just 
>>> fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my preview 
>>> pane set up.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
 VO has also stopped reading the message status.  Anyone else noticed this?
 Best,
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Re: safari question in lion

[Kimberly thurman]

Doesn't command/option/L while in Safari to get to the downloads list work in 
Lion?  I haven't updated yet.  I'm taking the wait and see approach.  :)
On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> To get to the downloads in Safari, go to the Google search box with 
> Cmd-Option-f then VO-Right arrow once and you're on the Downloads button.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 20 Jul 2011, at 21:53, chad baker wrote:
> 
>> hi does anyone know where the download progress is in safari when 
>> downloading something
>> can't find it
>> thanks
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Re: one more bad thing in mail

[Zachary Kline]

Hi DOnna,
Very odd.  WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing?  For 
instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are unread 
messages I hear "unread" before opening it.  
You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less identical 
to the way Mail behaved in SL.  THat's in Viewing preferences, if you feel so 
inclined.
Best,
Zack.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi Zack,
> 
> I'm doing the same thing you are.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dona,
>> How are you moving between messages?  I'm using the arrow keys alone, 
>> without the VO keys.  a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad.  Similarly, 
>> I don't interact with the list.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier.  
>>> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status information.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
>>> 
 Hi DOnna,
 Can you clarify this a bit?  I see unread and read message status just 
 fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my preview 
 pane set up.
 Best,
 Zack.
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> VO has also stopped reading the message status.  Anyone else noticed this?
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: one more bad thing in mail

[Donna Goodin]

Just did that.  And still no status is spoken.
Best,
Donna

On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi DOnna,
> Very odd.  WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing?  For 
> instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are unread 
> messages I hear "unread" before opening it.  
> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less 
> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL.  THat's in Viewing preferences, if 
> you feel so inclined.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi Zack,
>> 
>> I'm doing the same thing you are.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Dona,
>>> How are you moving between messages?  I'm using the arrow keys alone, 
>>> without the VO keys.  a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad.  Similarly, 
>>> I don't interact with the list.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
 Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier.  
 Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status information.
 Best,
 Donna
 
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> Hi DOnna,
> Can you clarify this a bit?  I see unread and read message status just 
> fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my preview 
> pane set up.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> VO has also stopped reading the message status.  Anyone else noticed 
>> this?
>> Best,
>> Donna
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Re: one more bad thing in mail

[Zachary Kline]

Hi DOnna,
I'm puzzled.  I hear status just fine, whether unread or replied.  I don't have 
any idea why you shouldn't.  What do you hear with a closed conversation that 
has unread messages?
Best,
Zack.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Just did that.  And still no status is spoken.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi DOnna,
>> Very odd.  WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing?  For 
>> instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are unread 
>> messages I hear "unread" before opening it.  
>> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less 
>> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL.  THat's in Viewing preferences, if 
>> you feel so inclined.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Zack,
>>> 
>>> I'm doing the same thing you are.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Dona,
 How are you moving between messages?  I'm using the arrow keys alone, 
 without the VO keys.  a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad.  
 Similarly, I don't interact with the list.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier.  
> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status 
> information.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi DOnna,
>> Can you clarify this a bit?  I see unread and read message status just 
>> fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my preview 
>> pane set up.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> VO has also stopped reading the message status.  Anyone else noticed 
>>> this?
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
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Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

I only seen about 4 choices for voices.  Is there another place to go to get 
more?
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On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> I have installed Lion here and am trying it out. I'm quite impressed with the 
> many voices you get and also i think i will like the new mail very much. It's 
> good that you actually can hear how many mails are in a thread and also that 
> you hear the first lines of a message, so you know if you want to continue 
> reading the thread. I also like what i've seen about the new drag & drop. 
> Tested dredging something from the finder to Mail, and managed to get it 
> where i wanted it, cool!
> /Krister
> 20 jul 2011 kl. 19:33 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland:
> 
>> I did notice that Alex seems a little better.  So far, I've not seen much, 
>> but I do love what I have seen.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> hi, all,
>>> 
>>> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
>>> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
>>> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
>>> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
>>> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
>>> 
>>> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
>>> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
>>> migrated.
>>> 
>>> Just my preliminary impresνs here.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
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Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

How do you do the new drag and drop feature?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions


I have installed Lion here and am trying it out. I'm quite impressed with 
the many voices you get and also i think i will like the new mail very much. 
It's good that you actually can hear how many mails are in a thread and also 
that you hear the first lines of a message, so you know if you want to 
continue reading the thread. I also like what i've seen about the new drag & 
drop. Tested dredging something from the finder to Mail, and managed to get 
it where i wanted it, cool!

/Krister
20 jul 2011 kl. 19:33 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland:

I did notice that Alex seems a little better.  So far, I've not seen much, 
but I do love what I have seen.


Chris.
On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:


hi, all,

Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the 
VO updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, 
then the -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login 
window. Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.


I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can 
make his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to 
be migrated.


Just my preliminary impresνs here.

HTH,
Teresa

Winging its way from my iPod

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RE: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

[Daniel Miller]

Hi, There's a customize button at the bottom of that popup menu. That's where 
you get the other voices. Be aware, though, that they're quite large to 
download.


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions

I only seen about 4 choices for voices.  Is there another place to go to get 
more?
Kliphton SR
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> I have installed Lion here and am trying it out. I'm quite impressed with the 
> many voices you get and also i think i will like the new mail very much. It's 
> good that you actually can hear how many mails are in a thread and also that 
> you hear the first lines of a message, so you know if you want to continue 
> reading the thread. I also like what i've seen about the new drag & drop. 
> Tested dredging something from the finder to Mail, and managed to get it 
> where i wanted it, cool!
> /Krister
> 20 jul 2011 kl. 19:33 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland:
> 
>> I did notice that Alex seems a little better.  So far, I've not seen much, 
>> but I do love what I have seen.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> hi, all,
>>> 
>>> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that 
>>> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO 
>>> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the 
>>> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. 
>>> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets.
>>> 
>>> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make 
>>> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be 
>>> migrated.
>>> 
>>> Just my preliminary impresνs here.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> Winging its way from my iPod
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Re: safari question in lion

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

oh, so they did away with the downloads window popping up in a second 
window?


Chris.

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From: "John Panarese" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: safari question in lion


   When you are downloading something, you need to stop interacting with 
the html area.  You find find a downloads button.  There might be a 
keyboard shortcut as well, but I am not sure.


Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:53 PM, chad baker wrote:

hi does anyone know where the download progress is in safari when 
downloading something

can't find it
thanks

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