date:20101107

Hi,
I just bought this off of Amazon, it sounds neat, I figured I'd take the 
chance. I will let you all know how it works once it comes in.
Courtney

Listen to The Wonderful World of Doo-wop with me, Moopie Curran on Fridays at 
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On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:22 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Justin,
> 
> I haven't used this product, but I remember that Cheryl posted about using 
> this on the list a long time ago (in early 2006, to be exact). Here's her 
> post from the old mailing list (before the list moved to Google Groups) at 
> the Mail Archive:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg02917.html
> 
> If you read down the thread, both Cheryl and Scott Howell commented on this.  
> I think there wasn't an accessibility problem but there might have been some 
> issues with reception back then.  Haven't heard about this product since 
> then, so any improvements would not have been remarked on. And Cheryl's no 
> longer subscribing to this list, but she's on the viphone list.  You'll just 
> have to ask around.
> 
> HTH. Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 19:06, Justin Ekis wrote:
> 
>> And of course I forgot to paste the link, again.
>> http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/radioshark2
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ALl,
>> 
>> I'm going to break one of my own rules here. I rarely write to a list to ask 
>> if something is accessible, I'll just download it and try the demo. On the 
>> mac, your chances are quite high that it will work with voiceover. In this 
>> case however, the software is included as part of a product, and there's no 
>> way to try it out first.
>> 
>> Radio Shark is an AM/FM radio receiver that you control with your computer. 
>> It can also record the radio for future listening. I'd like to have this 
>> since a few local stations do not stream online. Also if they do stream, 
>> they shut the stream down during baseball games or other programming where 
>> their contract requires this.
>> 
>> So I'm wondering if anyone has used this. If so, is the included software 
>> accessible?
>> 
>> For anyone else that wants to investigate, the web page for this product is 
>> at the below link, but you can get it for less at amazon.com.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
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Re: Recording Project

2010-11-07 Thread Scott Howell

Kevin, veyr nicely done.

Scott

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> Greetings again list,
> 
> Earlier, Mr. Reeves posted some work he'd done in ProTools using Voiceover to 
> the list. I may as well join him in posting some of my work. I wanted to wait 
> until I had my Master's degree in hand and for the band to sign off on the 
> recordings before I posted this. 
> 
> My project examined the accessibility of ProTools with VO on the Mac. As part 
> of the project, I recorded a band and reported on the experience. Here is one 
> of the five recordings I mixed in the early summer.
> 
> Artist:   Heartcore
> Song Title:   Broken Fire
> Mixed by: Kevin Shaw
> Produced by:  James McGreggor, Kevin Shaw
> Recorded at:  Ryerson University
> Mastering:Andy Krehm, Silverbirch Productions, Toronto, Canada
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9602421/4%20Broken%20Fire.mp3
> 
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Re: iMac VS Mac Mini

2010-11-07 Thread Scott Howell

You would be fine with a Mini and you can go for the Mini with a 2.53Ghz 
processor and have no problems.
On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> What about if you run Windows?
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 5:54 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> James,
>> 
>> There is a significant difference between the Mini and iMac in terms of 
>> available options for the processor. The selection of the processor will be 
>> based on the need. If you do a lot of audio editing, you will want more 
>> horsepower or if you run a number of VMs. If you do a lot of video editing, 
>> then you would of course want a lot more horsepower. However, if you 
>> primarily surf the web, e-mail, watch some videos, listen to music, books, 
>> etc., you are correct that you do not need as much horsepower.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 12:53 AM, James Malone wrote:
>> 
>>> I would personally say a Mac Mini. I Don't really see much difference 
>>> between the Mac Mini's processor and the iMac.
>>> Another thing to note is that for most things, a mac is not really that 
>>> processor intensive at all. I recently bought a macbook pro, but it was the 
>>> 2.4 instead of the 2.6. My sister has the 2.6, and I've noticed really no 
>>> difference. The fact that apple create both the hardware and softwear also 
>>> helps a bunch.
>>> Hth,
>>> James.
>>> On 06/11/2010, at 1:24 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>>> 
 Why do you have two of them? I could see having a desktop, and a lap top, 
 but two Minis surprise me. Do you have 1 hooked up to your TV?
 On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
> You would pay quite a bit more for the imac, I would say go for the mini, 
> I have 2 of them here, and unless you're doing something that requires 
> the top of the line latest and greatest hardware, the mini should easily 
> suffice.
> On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> I do have the monitor, speakers, etc; however the iMac has more HD 
>> space. Hmm.
>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 4:43 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> If you have a monitor, go for the Mini unless you have a real need for 
>>> the fastest processor possible and need a lot of drive space on the 
>>> machine. The iMac offers more options in terms of processing power and 
>>> hard drive space. Of course you do get the monitor included. My advice 
>>> is this:
>>> 1. Determine what you need. In other words, what are you going to use 
>>> the machine for and plan this out over at least three years as a 
>>> minimum. UNless your one of those folks who upgrade frequently, you 
>>> want to get a machine that will grow with you and I tend to keep 
>>> machines forever, but if I consider upgrading, it usually is on a three 
>>> to five year cycle depending on what my family needs. :) Yeah, I'm 
>>> really nice, I give them the well tested machines. :)
>>> 2. Price out more than one option. For example, if you are leaning 
>>> toward a MIni, but you want more drive space and ram, do the math and 
>>> see if it would make more sense to go with an iMac versus a Mini.
>>> 
>>> Of course others will have different opinions, but hope this helps.
>>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>>> 
 All:
 I''ll eventually replace my old PC desktop when ever it decides to 
 die. I'm trying to decide between a Mac mini VS an iMac. Any thoughts 
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iphone 4g and 3gs

2010-11-07 Thread M AUSTEN

Hello,
I'm thinking about getting one of the new iPhones. Does anyone know if you can 
use the voice of Alex on either the iPhone 3gs or 4g?
Thanks,
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Skype 5 beta and the call window

2010-11-07 Thread Krister Ekstrom

Hi folks.
I'm trying out the skype 5 beta from various aspects and have come across one 
that has me quite confused. When in a call, at least my voiceover doesn't see 
the whole window with contacts list, source list etc and the menu for 
participants in conference calls etc. Am i not able to do that, or is it just 
something i've overlooked? If so, what could it be? I've tried the item 
chooser, but that didn't work, it shows me the items of the call/chat window. 
Wonder why this is?
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Re: iphone 4g and 3gs

2010-11-07 Thread wes smith

No.  It's to big.

Sent from my iPhone

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Hello,

I'm thinking about getting one of the new iPhones. Does anyone know if you
can use the voice of Alex on either the iPhone 3gs or 4g?

Thanks,

Mark

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Re: Recording Project

2010-11-07 Thread Kevin Mattingly

So, Kevin,

SIAP but do you feel that pro tools is worth the buy and is it accessible for 
most things?

Kev
On Nov 7, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Kevin, veyr nicely done.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
>> Greetings again list,
>> 
>> Earlier, Mr. Reeves posted some work he'd done in ProTools using Voiceover 
>> to the list. I may as well join him in posting some of my work. I wanted to 
>> wait until I had my Master's degree in hand and for the band to sign off on 
>> the recordings before I posted this. 
>> 
>> My project examined the accessibility of ProTools with VO on the Mac. As 
>> part of the project, I recorded a band and reported on the experience. Here 
>> is one of the five recordings I mixed in the early summer.
>> 
>> Artist:  Heartcore
>> Song Title:  Broken Fire
>> Mixed by:Kevin Shaw
>> Produced by: James McGreggor, Kevin Shaw
>> Recorded at: Ryerson University
>> Mastering:   Andy Krehm, Silverbirch Productions, Toronto, Canada
>> 
>> Enjoy.
>> 
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9602421/4%20Broken%20Fire.mp3
>> 
>> Kevin Shaw
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See if these videos work with Click to Flash

OK, I've installed the Click to Flash extension hoping I would play videos at 
the following site:
http://www.freespeech.org/videos-demand
After I follow the link to one of the videos, I don't find this toolbar that 
everybody keeps talking about to play the video.  Maybe I'm doing something 
wrong.
Thanks in advance.

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Re: Does anyone have experience with a product called radio shark

2010-11-07 Thread Darcy Burnard

Hi Justin.  Do you happen to have either audio hijack pro or radio shift?  I 
ask because both of those programs can apparently control the radio shark.  So 
if the included software doesn't work, you still may be in luck.  
Darcy

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> Hi ALl,
> 
> I'm going to break one of my own rules here. I rarely write to a list to ask 
> if something is accessible, I'll just download it and try the demo. On the 
> mac, your chances are quite high that it will work with voiceover. In this 
> case however, the software is included as part of a product, and there's no 
> way to try it out first.
> 
> Radio Shark is an AM/FM radio receiver that you control with your computer. 
> It can also record the radio for future listening. I'd like to have this 
> since a few local stations do not stream online. Also if they do stream, they 
> shut the stream down during baseball games or other programming where their 
> contract requires this.
> 
> So I'm wondering if anyone has used this. If so, is the included software 
> accessible?
> 
> For anyone else that wants to investigate, the web page for this product is 
> at the below link, but you can get it for less at amazon.com.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Justin
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Re: iphone 4g and 3gs

2010-11-07 Thread M AUSTEN

Many thanks,
is it possible to choose a different voice that the one supplied in the box?

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Date: Sunday, 7 November, 2010, 16:15

No.  It's to big.

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:03 AM, M AUSTEN  wrote:

Hello,
I'm thinking about getting one of the new iPhones. Does anyone know if you can 
use the voice of Alex on either the iPhone 3gs or 4g?

Thanks,
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Re: iphone 4g and 3gs

2010-11-07 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Mark,

You can only use the voices that come with the iPhone. However, you do have a 
choice of three in English: British, Australian and American.

Cheers,

Anne


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> is it possible to choose a different voice that the one supplied in the box?
> 
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> From: wes smith 
> Subject: Re: iphone 4g and 3gs
> To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Sunday, 7 November, 2010, 16:15
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> No.  It's to big.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:03 AM, M AUSTEN  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> I'm thinking about getting one of the new iPhones. Does anyone know if you 
> can use the voice of Alex on either the iPhone 3gs or 4g?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
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Re: Recording Project

2010-11-07 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

Thanks Nic.

Downloaded the file using the menu in e-mail which said download file behind 
e-mail link.  Great file Kevin thanks.
On 7 Nov 2010, at 13:38, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> It may just have been your connection between Dropbox. Patience is usually 
> the key. Also, check right next to the mute button. That displays the current 
> length. When that displays, you know the file has loaded properly.
> 
> To download the file, you can usually just go to your location bar 
> (Command-L), then hit Option-Return. I'm sure you could do it from the file 
> menu as well, but I always found this quicker to ensure it downloads.
> 
> Regards,
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> On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:49 PM, John Sanfilippo wrote:
> 
>> Kawal,
>> 
>> I had the same problem you had. How did you download the file?
>> 
>> js
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Kevin.
>> 
>> I downloaded the file and all is fine.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 7 Nov 2010, at 03:06, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings again list,
>>> 
>>> Earlier, Mr. Reeves posted some work he'd done in ProTools using Voiceover 
>>> to the list. I may as well join him in posting some of my work. I wanted to 
>>> wait until I had my Master's degree in hand and for the band to sign off on 
>>> the recordings before I posted this. 
>>> 
>>> My project examined the accessibility of ProTools with VO on the Mac. As 
>>> part of the project, I recorded a band and reported on the experience. Here 
>>> is one of the five recordings I mixed in the early summer.
>>> 
>>> Artist: Heartcore
>>> Song Title: Broken Fire
>>> Mixed by:   Kevin Shaw
>>> Produced by:James McGreggor, Kevin Shaw
>>> Recorded at:Ryerson University
>>> Mastering:  Andy Krehm, Silverbirch Productions, Toronto, Canada
>>> 
>>> Enjoy.
>>> 
>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9602421/4%20Broken%20Fire.mp3
>>> 
>>> Kevin Shaw
>>> 
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Re: Skype 5 beta and the call window

Hello. use cmd option left and right arrow to get back to the sources list.

Take care.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hi folks.
> I'm trying out the skype 5 beta from various aspects and have come across one 
> that has me quite confused. When in a call, at least my voiceover doesn't see 
> the whole window with contacts list, source list etc and the menu for 
> participants in conference calls etc. Am i not able to do that, or is it just 
> something i've overlooked? If so, what could it be? I've tried the item 
> chooser, but that didn't work, it shows me the items of the call/chat window. 
> Wonder why this is?
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Re: Recording Project

2010-11-07 Thread Kevin Shaw

Yes, ProTools is accessible for most things. Is it worth the buy? That depends 
on your application. If you're looking to record professionally or 
semi-professionally, it's the way to go. Take into account the fact that 
ProTools is industry standard, and knowing the platform gives one an advantage 
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If all you are doing is putting podcasts together and experimenting at home 
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there choice is beginning to emerge for the blind when it comes to audio 
production.

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Re: iphone 4g and 3gs

Neither one has the Alex voice, it uses the Nuance vocalizer voices.
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> 
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> 
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trying drag and drop for raid utility in mac os setup phase

2010-11-07 Thread Yuma Decaux

Hi list,

I followed every step of the way for drag and drop in the following article"

http://maccessibility.net/guides/voiceover/drag-and-drop/

This doing in the disk utility at boot with the mac os install dvd.

It just doesn't work no matter how i do it. And i do remember that disk utility 
is a single window so there shouldn't be a problem there.

I'm tempted to go straight to single user mode and create the raid set via 
command prompt but this method above outlined could permanently solder the 
process in my mind for ulterior use.

Any help greatly appreciated 

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Re: iphone 4g and 3gs

2010-11-07 Thread Allison Manzino

Hi Mark,

I have my Iphone 3GS set to use Karen who is the Australian voice. The other 
app that doesn't work whe it is set that way is the weather. It thinks you are 
in Australia, so if you are in the u.S., this app will not work unless you use 
the Samantha voice. I personally don't like Samantha and don't care much about 
the weather app, so I switched to Karen. I love her accent, and use her on my 
Windows PC. I hope that helps.

Have a great day.

Happily,
Allison

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On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Neither one has the Alex voice, it uses the Nuance vocalizer voices.
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 10:03 AM, M AUSTEN wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I'm thinking about getting one of the new iPhones. Does anyone know if you 
>> can use the voice of Alex on either the iPhone 3gs or 4g?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: iphone 4g and 3gs

2010-11-07 Thread Bryan Jones

Hi Allison,

I'm in the US and also prefer to use the Australian voice; however, I have no 
problems with the default weather app. Can you supply some details about what 
isn't working for you? I have an iphone 4 with IOS 4.1, but I think we have the 
same voice engine and default weather app on both models.

Thank you,
Bryan

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> 
> I have my Iphone 3GS set to use Karen who is the Australian voice. The other 
> app that doesn't work whe it is set that way is the weather. It thinks you 
> are in Australia, so if you are in the u.S., this app will not work unless 
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Re: Skype 5

2010-11-07 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen

Hi.

I can not hear all sounds, but I can hear, when people are calling, and who it 
is.

I have not installed growl.
Best regards Annie.
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> Hi Sarah,
> 
> If you can hear all sounds, can you please give us an overview of your 
> settings, and a recording of the alerts doing what they are supposed to do? I 
> ask because I find it strangely peculiar that mostly everyone hear seems to 
> have issues with the alerts, and two people are reporting differently.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> On Nov 7, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I can hear all sounds actually and I believe it says who is calling. I 
>> cannot so far reproduce that.
>> 
>> S
>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>> 
>>> I can confirm that I am not hearing any other son effects from Skype 5 
>>> other than the one that rings when I have a call.  Also, when that call 
>>> does come in, it doesn't speak the name of the party calling, just says 
>>> "contact."   I've made sure that the "mute all sound effects box," is 
>>> *UN*-checked, and wonder if I'm missing something, or is that just a big?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Skype 5

2010-11-07 Thread Nicolai Svendsen

Hi!

That's weird, because I get "You have an incoming call from contact", even 
though it's set properly. I get those, too, but I'm not sure why it doesn't 
tell me who. I'm talking about the other alerts though. There is a lot more 
than those few.

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On Nov 7, 2010, at 10:43 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I can not hear all sounds, but I can hear, when people are calling, and who 
> it is.
> 
> I have not installed growl.
> Best regards Annie.
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sarah,
>> 
>> If you can hear all sounds, can you please give us an overview of your 
>> settings, and a recording of the alerts doing what they are supposed to do? 
>> I ask because I find it strangely peculiar that mostly everyone hear seems 
>> to have issues with the alerts, and two people are reporting differently.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> I can hear all sounds actually and I believe it says who is calling. I 
>>> cannot so far reproduce that.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>>> 
 I can confirm that I am not hearing any other son effects from Skype 5 
 other than the one that rings when I have a call.  Also, when that call 
 does come in, it doesn't speak the name of the party calling, just says 
 "contact."   I've made sure that the "mute all sound effects box," is 
 *UN*-checked, and wonder if I'm missing something, or is that just a big?
 
 
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Re: Skype 5

Really? I have no issues wiht skype 5 beta, Ok a few but nothing to do with 
sounds or incoming calls.

Hmm odd?

Take care.

S
On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> That's weird, because I get "You have an incoming call from contact", even 
> though it's set properly. I get those, too, but I'm not sure why it doesn't 
> tell me who. I'm talking about the other alerts though. There is a lot more 
> than those few.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
> Facebook
> Twitter
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
> AIM: cincinster
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 10:43 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I can not hear all sounds, but I can hear, when people are calling, and who 
>> it is.
>> 
>> I have not installed growl.
>> Best regards Annie.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sarah,
>>> 
>>> If you can hear all sounds, can you please give us an overview of your 
>>> settings, and a recording of the alerts doing what they are supposed to do? 
>>> I ask because I find it strangely peculiar that mostly everyone hear seems 
>>> to have issues with the alerts, and two people are reporting differently.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>>> Facebook
>>> Twitter
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 I can hear all sounds actually and I believe it says who is calling. I 
 cannot so far reproduce that.
 
 S
 On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
 
> I can confirm that I am not hearing any other son effects from Skype 5 
> other than the one that rings when I have a call.  Also, when that call 
> does come in, it doesn't speak the name of the party calling, just says 
> "contact."   I've made sure that the "mute all sound effects box," is 
> *UN*-checked, and wonder if I'm missing something, or is that just a big?
> 
> 
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Re: iphone 4g and 3gs

I think she is refiring the date. it reads wrong. For example my phoen thinks 
mail was updated jan 11 of a few years later. lol!
On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Hi Allison,
> 
> I'm in the US and also prefer to use the Australian voice; however, I have no 
> problems with the default weather app. Can you supply some details about what 
> isn't working for you? I have an iphone 4 with IOS 4.1, but I think we have 
> the same voice engine and default weather app on both models.
> 
> Thank you,
> Bryan
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I have my Iphone 3GS set to use Karen who is the Australian voice. The other 
>> app that doesn't work whe it is set that way is the weather. It thinks you 
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>> you use the 
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Re: Recording Project

2010-11-07 Thread Justin Thornton

can we get pt version 9 as of now
and how is VO as far as with this version
any thoughts
On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> Yes, ProTools is accessible for most things. Is it worth the buy? That 
> depends on your application. If you're looking to record professionally or 
> semi-professionally, it's the way to go. Take into account the fact that 
> ProTools is industry standard, and knowing the platform gives one an 
> advantage when they are looking for work.
> 
> If all you are doing is putting podcasts together and experimenting at home 
> with creating music, there may be other accessible tools that can accomplish 
> the tasks required for less money. Garage Band and Logic are making strides 
> and there choice is beginning to emerge for the blind when it comes to audio 
> production.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Kevin
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Re: iphone 4g and 3gs

2010-11-07 Thread Allison Manzino

Hi Bryan and all,

I have Karen on now and the weather app thinks I'm I'n Australia. Even when I 
changed the region to US.  it still thinks w are I'n Australia. It's no hat big 
of a deal but can this be fixed? Thank you for all your assistance I really 
appreciate it. Have a great day

Senty.

Happilly,
Allison from my iPhone

On 07/11/2010, at 5:03 PM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> I think she is refiring the date. it reads wrong. For example my phoen thinks 
> mail was updated jan 11 of a few years later. lol!
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
> 
>> Hi Allison,
>> 
>> I'm in the US and also prefer to use the Australian voice; however, I have 
>> no problems with the default weather app. Can you supply some details about 
>> what isn't working for you? I have an iphone 4 with IOS 4.1, but I think we 
>> have the same voice engine and default weather app on both models.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Bryan
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> I have my Iphone 3GS set to use Karen who is the Australian voice. The 
>>> other app that doesn't work whe it is set that way is the weather. It 
>>> thinks you are in Australia, so if you are in the u.S., this app will not 
>>> work unless you use the 
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Re: iphone 4g and 3gs

Huh? that's very odd. I have no issues with that. did you change your thing in 
the app itself?
On Nov 7, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Bryan and all,
> 
> I have Karen on now and the weather app thinks I'm I'n Australia. Even when I 
> changed the region to US.  it still thinks w are I'n Australia. It's no hat 
> big of a deal but can this be fixed? Thank you for all your assistance I 
> really appreciate it. Have a great day
> 
> Senty.
> 
> Happilly,
> Allison from my iPhone
> 
> On 07/11/2010, at 5:03 PM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> I think she is refiring the date. it reads wrong. For example my phoen 
>> thinks mail was updated jan 11 of a few years later. lol!
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Allison,
>>> 
>>> I'm in the US and also prefer to use the Australian voice; however, I have 
>>> no problems with the default weather app. Can you supply some details about 
>>> what isn't working for you? I have an iphone 4 with IOS 4.1, but I think we 
>>> have the same voice engine and default weather app on both models.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Bryan
>>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
 Hi Mark,
 
 I have my Iphone 3GS set to use Karen who is the Australian voice. The 
 other app that doesn't work whe it is set that way is the weather. It 
 thinks you are in Australia, so if you are in the u.S., this app will not 
 work unless you use the 
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accessibility of MacBook Air

I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV where 
yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of minutes during 
the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB Secretary, and this 
machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without all the weight.  I got 
the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.


Marlaina Lieberg


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On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as any 
other Macbook.

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Re: iphone 4g and 3gs

No you cannot, but since I am an English speaker who lives in the US, I found 
that I really like the australian voice much better.  The US and UK voices are 
very gravelly.


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On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:15 AM, wes smith wrote:

No.  It's to big.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:03 AM, M AUSTEN  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm thinking about getting one of the new iPhones. Does anyone know if you 
> can use the voice of Alex on either the iPhone 3gs or 4g?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They sound 
cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
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> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without all 
> the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>   
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 
> 
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
> any other Macbook.
> 
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Setting up the weather app [was Re: iphone 4g and 3gs]

2010-11-07 Thread Esther

Hi Allison and Others,

I also use the Australian voice (Karen) on my iPhone, although I'm in
the U.S. The weather app reports for whatever location you set,
regardless of the voice you use or the region format that you chose in
Settings > General > International > Region Format. You'll have to
add your city (and optionally delete the ones that are in the app, if
you don't want to hear those weather reports).

To add the city or cities of your choice for weather reporting:
1. Double tap the "Edit Cities" button in the bottom right corner of
your screen.
2. You'll be on a screen called "Weather" with focus on the "Add"
button in the top left corner. If you flick right or do a two finger
flick down "Read All" gesture you'll hear a list of city locations
currently selected for your weather app. One of these will be
Cupertino in California, headquarters of Apple. If you want to delete
any of the existing entries, just double tap the button to the left of
the listed city you want to remove. For example, VoiceOver will say
"Delete Cupertino, switch button off, double tap to toggle setting"
before the listing for the first item, Cupertino. If you double tap
the switch button, a "Delete" button will appear to the right of the
entry and receive focus, and VoiceOver will say, "Confirm deletion for
Cupertino". If you double tap that button (or anywhere on the screen,
since that button has focus), the entry for Cupertino will be deleted.
3. To add your city, you want to double tap the "Add" button in the
top left corner. When you do, you'll be in a text box, and be
prompted to "Type a city, state, or zip code".
4. Type in a zip code. If you move your finger down from the search
box, you'll find a suggested city match. Double tap it and that city
will be added to the end of the list of cities when you are returned
to the "Weather" screen. If you want to rearrange the order in which
cities are displayed, touch or flick right to the right side of the
screen beside a city entry. You'll hear VoiceOver say "Reorder of city> button, draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound,
then drag to rearrange."
5. If you want to move your city to the top of the list, use the
double tap and hold pass through gesture on the reordering button.
(Again, you can execute the pass through gesture anywhere on the
screen, if you first touched or flicked to that button so that it has
focus.) Keep your finger against the screen until you hear the
burbling sound of the pass through gesture, then move your finger up
to place the city in the position you want before lifting your finger
from the screen. You'll hear VoiceOver update the position as you
shift your finger position (e.g. "moved above Cupertino"). You can
keep shifting cities until you get them ordered as you like.
6. You can also change your selection to report in either degrees
Fahrenheit or degrees Celsius by double tapping one of the two buttons
at the bottom of the Weather screen.
7. When you've finished selecting and ordering the cities for which
you want weather reports, double tap the "Done" button in the top
right corner of the screen. You'll be taken back to the weather page
for your cities.
8. If you have more than one city selected for weather reports, use a
three finger flick right or left to scroll between the entries.
VoiceOver will say, "Showing city 1 of 3", "Showing city 2 of 3", etc.
or however many cities you have configured.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Nov 7, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

Hi Bryan and all,

I have Karen on now and the weather app thinks I'm I'n Australia.
Even when I changed the region to US. it still thinks w are I'n
Australia. It's no hat big of a deal but can this be fixed? Thank
you for all your assistance I really appreciate it. Have a great day

Senty.

Happilly,
Allison from my iPhone

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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

2010-11-07 Thread Pete Nalda

Hate to say this, but that $300 pc NetBook becomes $1300 when you add the price 
of Accessibility.  For $1000 you get not only a nice performing computer but a 
screenreader as well.

On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>  
>> 
>> Marlaina Lieberg
>> 
>> 
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>> any other Macbook.
>> 
>> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

2010-11-07 Thread Justin Thornton

lol I disagree with that statement of $1300
you can have a netbook with free NVDA works just fine for accessibility
although I use a mac mainly windows I use nva and nothing else screw jfw!!
On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:

> Hate to say this, but that $300 pc NetBook becomes $1300 when you add the 
> price of Accessibility.  For $1000 you get not only a nice performing 
> computer but a screenreader as well.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>>> any other Macbook.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: Skype 5

2010-11-07 Thread Dan Eickmeier

Not hearing any  sounds when people come online, or go offline, even though  I 
have those set.  I've got the speak text checkbox also checked for both of 
those events,  and am getting no spoken notifications either for   contacts 
coming online, or going off.  
On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> I can confirm that I am not hearing any other son effects from Skype 5 other 
> than the one that rings when I have a call.  Also, when that call does come 
> in, it doesn't speak the name of the party calling, just says "contact."   
> I've made sure that the "mute all sound effects box," is *UN*-checked, and 
> wonder if I'm missing something, or is that just a big?
> 
> 
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> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
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> • My home page:
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Apple *never* said that the Air was anything like a netbook. In fact, Apple's 
doing its level best to distance itself from the whole netbook thing. Of 
course, one could argue that it's a similar form factor and size, and a rose by 
any other name, etc. etc., but there are a couple of key differences:

1) They refused to compromise on the keyboard size, so the Air has a full sized 
keyboard for typing. I think someone said that function keys are a bit reduced, 
though. 

2) The Air isn't using anything like the mobile Atom processor. It's using a 
standard issue Core2 Duo, admittedly one at a lower clock speed than the newest 
ones, but nonetheless, it's a full dual core processor, not one optimized for 
low power consumption with processing power sacrificed.

3) No netbook I've ever seen claims instant, or even near instant, powerup. 
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On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>  
>> 
>> Marlaina Lieberg
>> 
>> 
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>> any other Macbook.
>> 
>> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  It 
does for me what  I 
 had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, and 
sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery would be 
dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word was miss 
spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or dog, I'd hear 
word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I even turned off auto 
correction and still had the same problem.  I really wanted something light and 
reliable for business travel and this Air Book, as I like to call it, is just 
the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 hours with VO echoing words as I type, 
and most of that time being typing time not reading time.  

Marlaina
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OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They sound 
cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without all 
> the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>   
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 
> 
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
> any other Macbook.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: Setting up the weather app [was Re: iphone 4g and 3gs]

Esther,

As usual, your directions are wonderful.  I just got a replacement iPhone 4, my 
first one just died one day but I have Apple Care thankfully.  Anyway, I'm now 
finding that the 3 finger flick left or right is hardly working very well.  I'm 
going to keep experimenting to see if I can get this to work again in the 
weather app.  I'm only noticing it in weather; 'tis an odd one indeed!

Marlaina
On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Allison and Others,

I also use the Australian voice (Karen) on my iPhone, although I'm in the U.S. 
The weather app reports for whatever location you set, regardless of the voice 
you use or the region format that you chose in Settings > General > 
International > Region Format.  You'll have to add your city (and optionally 
delete the ones that are in the app, if you don't want to hear those weather 
reports).

To add the city or cities of your choice for weather reporting:
1. Double tap the "Edit Cities" button in the bottom right corner of your 
screen.
2. You'll be on a screen called "Weather" with focus on the "Add" button in the 
top left corner.  If you flick right or do a two finger flick down "Read All" 
gesture you'll hear a list of city locations currently selected for your 
weather app.  One of these will be Cupertino in California, headquarters of 
Apple.  If you want to delete any of the existing entries, just double tap the 
button to the left of the listed city you want to remove. For example, 
VoiceOver will say "Delete Cupertino, switch button off, double tap to toggle 
setting" before the listing for the first item, Cupertino.  If you double tap 
the switch button, a "Delete" button will appear to the right of the entry and 
receive focus, and VoiceOver will say, "Confirm deletion for Cupertino". If you 
double tap that button (or anywhere on the screen, since that button has 
focus), the entry for Cupertino will be deleted.
3. To add your city, you want to double tap the "Add" button in the top left 
corner.  When you do, you'll be in a text box, and be prompted to "Type a city, 
state, or zip code".
4. Type in a zip code.  If you move your finger down from the search box, 
you'll find a suggested city match. Double tap it and that city will be added 
to the end of the list of cities when you are returned to the "Weather" screen. 
If you want to rearrange the order in which cities are displayed, touch or 
flick right to the right side of the screen beside a city entry.  You'll hear 
VoiceOver say "Reorder  button, draggable, double tap and hold, 
wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange."
5. If you want to move your city to the top of the list, use the double tap and 
hold pass through gesture on the  reordering button. (Again, you can execute 
the pass through gesture anywhere on the screen, if you first touched or 
flicked to that button so that it has focus.)  Keep your finger against the 
screen until you hear the burbling sound of the pass through gesture, then move 
your finger up to place the city in the position you want before lifting your 
finger from the screen.  You'll hear VoiceOver update the position as you shift 
your finger position (e.g. "moved above Cupertino").  You can keep shifting 
cities until you get them ordered as you like.
6. You can also change your selection to report in either degrees Fahrenheit or 
degrees Celsius by double tapping one of the two buttons at the bottom of the 
Weather screen.
7.  When you've finished selecting and ordering the cities for which you want 
weather reports, double tap the "Done" button in the top right corner of the 
screen.  You'll be taken back to the weather page for your cities.
8. If you have more than one city selected for weather reports, use a three 
finger flick right or left to scroll between the entries.  VoiceOver will say, 
"Showing city 1 of 3", "Showing city 2 of 3", etc. or however many cities you 
have configured.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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>> Hi Bryan and all,
>> 
>> I have Karen on now and the weather app thinks I'm I'n Australia. Even when 
>> I changed the region to US.  it still thinks w are I'n Australia. It's no 
>> hat big of a deal but can this be fixed? Thank you for all your assistance I 
>> really appreciate it. Have a great day
>> 
>> Senty.
>> 
>> Happilly,
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

2010-11-07 Thread Maxwell Ivey Jr.

for me personally, I would love to have an 11 inch computer macbook or  
airbook.  my first macbook was a 12 inch g-4 and i hate paying for  
monotor space and weight I'm never gonna use. lol take care, max

On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get  
it.  It does for me what  I
had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really  
hinky, and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times  
the battery would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I  
typed that the word was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog,  
instead of hearing d o g or dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word  
miss spelled word miss spelled.  I even turned off auto correction  
and still had the same problem.  I really wanted something light and  
reliable for business travel and this Air Book, as I like to call  
it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 hours with VO  
echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing time not  
reading time.


Marlaina
On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc  
netbook the price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300  
the macbook air is about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want  
to  try one one day. They sound cool for quick things like note  
taking in class o what not.

On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from  
Reno, NV where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9  
hours worth of minutes during the American Council of the Blind  
Board Meeting.  I am ACB Secretary, and this machine performs just  
like my MacBook Pro but without all the weight.  I got the 11 inch  
size and it is absolutely wonderful.



Marlaina Lieberg


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On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as  
accessible as any other Macbook.


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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Hi,
I'm so jealous, I'm getting a macbook air  after Christmas, but I hope to see 
one way before then. Hope you get the most out of your macbook air.
Courtney
 
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> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without all 
> the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>   
> 
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> 
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> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
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> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Oh yeah forgot about tht little point. I should not have as I do use that other 
platform. lol! There goes my muddled brain. Hmm maybe the next time I go to the 
apple store I might try me one out.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:

> Hate to say this, but that $300 pc NetBook becomes $1300 when you add the 
> price of Accessibility.  For $1000 you get not only a nice performing 
> computer but a screenreader as well.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>>> any other Macbook.
>>> 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Ok you bring up a good point but given time and program will not the macbook 
air boot up in about a minute just like my pro? lol!

S
On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Apple *never* said that the Air was anything like a netbook. In fact, Apple's 
> doing its level best to distance itself from the whole netbook thing. Of 
> course, one could argue that it's a similar form factor and size, and a rose 
> by any other name, etc. etc., but there are a couple of key differences:
> 
> 1) They refused to compromise on the keyboard size, so the Air has a full 
> sized keyboard for typing. I think someone said that function keys are a bit 
> reduced, though. 
> 
> 2) The Air isn't using anything like the mobile Atom processor. It's using a 
> standard issue Core2 Duo, admittedly one at a lower clock speed than the 
> newest ones, but nonetheless, it's a full dual core processor, not one 
> optimized for low power consumption with processing power sacrificed.
> 
> 3) No netbook I've ever seen claims instant, or even near instant, powerup. 
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> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>>> any other Macbook.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Absolutely, and even if you already have a screen reader, some require a 
license for each PC, thankfully Window-Eyes does not, but you still have to pay 
to keep your screen reader updated in many instances, it's called your SMA.  
I'm not dissing windows, or windows screen readers, and I am still an ardent 
Window-Eyes user; god knows I still do a lot of my major writing work in 
Windows, but there is really a lot to be said for getting a full-up machine, 
screen reader included with no SMA obligations, all for one price.  

Marlaina
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Hate to say this, but that $300 pc NetBook becomes $1300 when you add the price 
of Accessibility.  For $1000 you get not only a nice performing computer but a 
screenreader as well.

On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>  
>> 
>> Marlaina Lieberg
>> 
>> 
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>> any other Macbook.
>> 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing you 
use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at class and 
leave my mbp at home. or what not.

S
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> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  It 
> does for me what  I 
> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, and 
> sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery would be 
> dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word was miss 
> spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or dog, I'd 
> hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I even turned 
> off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really wanted 
> something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, as I like 
> to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 hours with VO 
> echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing time not reading 
> time.  
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>  
>> 
>> Marlaina Lieberg
>> 
>> 
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>> any other Macbook.
>> 
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Re: Skype 5

Ok maybe I'm not getting those eather but I'll hve to test those as I have that 
shut off.

Will post back if I notice anything.

S
On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

> Not hearing any  sounds when people come online, or go offline, even though  
> I have those set.  I've got the speak text checkbox also checked for both of 
> those events,  and am getting no spoken notifications either for   contacts 
> coming online, or going off.  
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> 
>> I can confirm that I am not hearing any other son effects from Skype 5 other 
>> than the one that rings when I have a call.  Also, when that call does come 
>> in, it doesn't speak the name of the party calling, just says "contact."   
>> I've made sure that the "mute all sound effects box," is *UN*-checked, and 
>> wonder if I'm missing something, or is that just a big?
>> 
>> 
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>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

That's true. I might go to the apple store on black friday as I need to go 
there anyways to maybe pick up some stuff that might be on sale? *wink wink* 
but I migh ttake a look at th eair and try and lift one,  to see how heavy it 
is, if they let me. lol!
On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Absolutely, and even if you already have a screen reader, some require a 
> license for each PC, thankfully Window-Eyes does not, but you still have to 
> pay to keep your screen reader updated in many instances, it's called your 
> SMA.  I'm not dissing windows, or windows screen readers, and I am still an 
> ardent Window-Eyes user; god knows I still do a lot of my major writing work 
> in Windows, but there is really a lot to be said for getting a full-up 
> machine, screen reader included with no SMA obligations, all for one price.  
> 
> Marlaina
> work 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:
> 
> Hate to say this, but that $300 pc NetBook becomes $1300 when you add the 
> price of Accessibility.  For $1000 you get not only a nice performing 
> computer but a screenreader as well.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>>> any other Macbook.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: Setting up the weather app [was Re: iphone 4g and 3gs]

2010-11-07 Thread Esther


Hi Marlaina,

I always feel as though I should write the 3 finger flick instructions  
as "3 finger swipe", because you need to make sure that this is a  
deliberate gesture, with your fingers well separated, and your fingers  
traveling in a horizontal direction to the right or left for at least  
a minimal time so that the device registers the gesture correctly.   
When I first got my iPod Touch, I initially had a little difficulty  
getting this gesture to work reproducibly, and ended up rotating my  
iPod Touch 90 degrees to landscape mode (don't laugh!) and doing a 3  
finger swipe down to make sure I was scrolling.  Then I rotated the  
iPod Touch back to portrait mode to do the same gesture and made sure  
that I was swiping horizontally.  It's now second nature to keep my  
fingers far enough apart to register as a sideways scroll, and to move  
them in the right direction.  I guess the other place you might notice  
the problem with scrolling is moving between different pages of apps  
on your iPhone.


I enjoyed reading your statements about the MacBook Air. Enjoy it!

Cheers,

Esther

On Nov 7, 2010, at 14:55, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:


Esther,

As usual, your directions are wonderful.  I just got a replacement  
iPhone 4, my first one just died one day but I have Apple Care  
thankfully.  Anyway, I'm now finding that the 3 finger flick left or  
right is hardly working very well.  I'm going to keep experimenting  
to see if I can get this to work again in the weather app.  I'm only  
noticing it in weather; 'tis an odd one indeed!


Marlaina
On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Allison and Others,

I also use the Australian voice (Karen) on my iPhone, although I'm  
in the U.S. The weather app reports for whatever location you set,  
regardless of the voice you use or the region format that you chose  
in Settings > General > International > Region Format.  You'll have  
to add your city (and optionally delete the ones that are in the  
app, if you don't want to hear those weather reports).


To add the city or cities of your choice for weather reporting:
1. Double tap the "Edit Cities" button in the bottom right corner of  
your screen.
2. You'll be on a screen called "Weather" with focus on the "Add"  
button in the top left corner.  If you flick right or do a two  
finger flick down "Read All" gesture you'll hear a list of city  
locations currently selected for your weather app.  One of these  
will be Cupertino in California, headquarters of Apple.  If you want  
to delete any of the existing entries, just double tap the button to  
the left of the listed city you want to remove. For example,  
VoiceOver will say "Delete Cupertino, switch button off, double tap  
to toggle setting" before the listing for the first item,  
Cupertino.  If you double tap the switch button, a "Delete" button  
will appear to the right of the entry and receive focus, and  
VoiceOver will say, "Confirm deletion for Cupertino". If you double  
tap that button (or anywhere on the screen, since that button has  
focus), the entry for Cupertino will be deleted.
3. To add your city, you want to double tap the "Add" button in the  
top left corner.  When you do, you'll be in a text box, and be  
prompted to "Type a city, state, or zip code".
4. Type in a zip code.  If you move your finger down from the search  
box, you'll find a suggested city match. Double tap it and that city  
will be added to the end of the list of cities when you are returned  
to the "Weather" screen. If you want to rearrange the order in which  
cities are displayed, touch or flick right to the right side of the  
screen beside a city entry.  You'll hear VoiceOver say "Reorder  
 button, draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the  
sound, then drag to rearrange."
5. If you want to move your city to the top of the list, use the  
double tap and hold pass through gesture on the  reordering button.  
(Again, you can execute the pass through gesture anywhere on the  
screen, if you first touched or flicked to that button so that it  
has focus.)  Keep your finger against the screen until you hear the  
burbling sound of the pass through gesture, then move your finger up  
to place the city in the position you want before lifting your  
finger from the screen.  You'll hear VoiceOver update the position  
as you shift your finger position (e.g. "moved above Cupertino").   
You can keep shifting cities until you get them ordered as you like.
6. You can also change your selection to report in either degrees  
Fahrenheit or degrees Celsius by double tapping one of the two  
buttons at the bottom of the Weather screen.
7.  When you've finished selecting and ordering the cities for which  
you want weather reports, double tap the "Done" button in the top  
right corner of the screen.  You'll be taken back to the weather  
page for your cities.
8. If you have more than one city selected for weather reports, use  
a three finger flick right or l

Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

I so love how quickly my Air powers up for me.  It makes me laugh every time I 
use it.  I wil tell you one small thing I do not like about he Air, but it is 
so small it's not worth being upset about.  I am a very very fast typist and 
the keyboard appears to be less sensitive to my flying fingers because when I 
really get going, I see words with missing letters even though I know I hae 
typed them.  Ah, see the word have which I just typed, is h a e but I did hit 
the v.  So, I will either do a lot of editing, or slow down a tad.  But, I have 
not even had this for a week, so perhaps I'll get use to it in time.  Aside 
from that, this thing is wonderful and oh yah, I have had a netbook with all 
the attendant windows issues, smile.

Marlaina
On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Ok you bring up a good point but given time and program will not the macbook 
air boot up in about a minute just like my pro? lol!

S
On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Apple *never* said that the Air was anything like a netbook. In fact, Apple's 
> doing its level best to distance itself from the whole netbook thing. Of 
> course, one could argue that it's a similar form factor and size, and a rose 
> by any other name, etc. etc., but there are a couple of key differences:
> 
> 1) They refused to compromise on the keyboard size, so the Air has a full 
> sized keyboard for typing. I think someone said that function keys are a bit 
> reduced, though. 
> 
> 2) The Air isn't using anything like the mobile Atom processor. It's using a 
> standard issue Core2 Duo, admittedly one at a lower clock speed than the 
> newest ones, but nonetheless, it's a full dual core processor, not one 
> optimized for low power consumption with processing power sacrificed.
> 
> 3) No netbook I've ever seen claims instant, or even near instant, powerup. 
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> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>>> any other Macbook.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

and how much space does it come with. I guess I could look it up but I'm 
feeling quite lazy today. so far I am impressed. I am so sorry all for my rant.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> I so love how quickly my Air powers up for me.  It makes me laugh every time 
> I use it.  I wil tell you one small thing I do not like about he Air, but it 
> is so small it's not worth being upset about.  I am a very very fast typist 
> and the keyboard appears to be less sensitive to my flying fingers because 
> when I really get going, I see words with missing letters even though I know 
> I hae typed them.  Ah, see the word have which I just typed, is h a e but I 
> did hit the v.  So, I will either do a lot of editing, or slow down a tad.  
> But, I have not even had this for a week, so perhaps I'll get use to it in 
> time.  Aside from that, this thing is wonderful and oh yah, I have had a 
> netbook with all the attendant windows issues, smile.
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> Ok you bring up a good point but given time and program will not the macbook 
> air boot up in about a minute just like my pro? lol!
> 
> S
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> 
>> Apple *never* said that the Air was anything like a netbook. In fact, 
>> Apple's doing its level best to distance itself from the whole netbook 
>> thing. Of course, one could argue that it's a similar form factor and size, 
>> and a rose by any other name, etc. etc., but there are a couple of key 
>> differences:
>> 
>> 1) They refused to compromise on the keyboard size, so the Air has a full 
>> sized keyboard for typing. I think someone said that function keys are a bit 
>> reduced, though. 
>> 
>> 2) The Air isn't using anything like the mobile Atom processor. It's using a 
>> standard issue Core2 Duo, admittedly one at a lower clock speed than the 
>> newest ones, but nonetheless, it's a full dual core processor, not one 
>> optimized for low power consumption with processing power sacrificed.
>> 
>> 3) No netbook I've ever seen claims instant, or even near instant, powerup. 
>> --
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>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
 where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
 minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
 Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
 all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.

 
 Marlaina Lieberg
 
 
 1guide...@gmail.com
 
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 The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
 any other Macbook.
 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to use 
one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch which is 
what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have that built in but 
weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants lightweight in her 
dottage, smile!

Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!

Marlaina
On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing you 
use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at class and 
leave my mbp at home. or what not.

S
On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  It 
> does for me what  I 
> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, and 
> sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery would be 
> dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word was miss 
> spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or dog, I'd 
> hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I even turned 
> off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really wanted 
> something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, as I like 
> to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 hours with VO 
> echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing time not reading 
> time.  
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>  
>> 
>> Marlaina Lieberg
>> 
>> 
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>> any other Macbook.
>> 
>> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating system?  
If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new VoiceOver 
features are in the next cat.

On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to use 
> one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch which is 
> what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have that built in 
> but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants lightweight in her 
> dottage, smile!
> 
> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing 
> you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at class 
> and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
> 
> S
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  It 
>> does for me what  I 
>> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, 
>> and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery 
>> would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word 
>> was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or 
>> dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I even 
>> turned off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really wanted 
>> something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, as I 
>> like to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 hours with 
>> VO echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing time not 
>> reading time.  
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>>> any other Macbook.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

2010-11-07 Thread Kaare Dehard

comes with a usb drive with the os on it for restore.
On 2010-11-07, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating system?  
> If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new VoiceOver 
> features are in the next cat.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
>> use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch which 
>> is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have that built 
>> in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants lightweight in 
>> her dottage, smile!
>> 
>> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing 
>> you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at 
>> class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
>> 
>> S
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  It 
>>> does for me what  I 
>>> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, 
>>> and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery 
>>> would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word 
>>> was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or 
>>> dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I 
>>> even turned off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really 
>>> wanted something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, 
>>> as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 
>>> hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing 
>>> time not reading time.  
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
 where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
 minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
 Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
 all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.

 
 Marlaina Lieberg
 
 
 1guide...@gmail.com
 
 On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
 
 The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
 any other Macbook.
 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

So when the next OS after Snow Leopard comes out, you could ask for the OS on a 
USB flash drive instead of DVD?

On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> comes with a usb drive with the os on it for restore.
> On 2010-11-07, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating system? 
>>  If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new VoiceOver 
>> features are in the next cat.
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
>>> use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch 
>>> which is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have that 
>>> built in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants 
>>> lightweight in her dottage, smile!
>>> 
>>> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing 
>>> you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at 
>>> class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  
 It does for me what  I 
 had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, 
 and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery 
 would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word 
 was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or 
 dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I 
 even turned off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really 
 wanted something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, 
 as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 
 hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing 
 time not reading time.  
 
 Marlaina
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
 price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
 about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
 sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>   
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 
> 
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible 
> as any other Macbook.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

2010-11-07 Thread Kaare Dehard

think but not sure I read that the new air came with a flash drive version, but 
not certain if they had the plans to extend it to other places or not...
On 2010-11-07, at 8:39 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

> So when the next OS after Snow Leopard comes out, you could ask for the OS on 
> a USB flash drive instead of DVD?
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> 
>> comes with a usb drive with the os on it for restore.
>> On 2010-11-07, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>> 
>>> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating 
>>> system?  If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new 
>>> VoiceOver features are in the next cat.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
 use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch 
 which is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have 
 that built in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants 
 lightweight in her dottage, smile!
 
 Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
 
 Marlaina
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm 
 guessing you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for 
 one at class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
 
 S
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  
> It does for me what  I 
> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, 
> and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery 
> would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word 
> was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g 
> or dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  
> I even turned off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I 
> really wanted something light and reliable for business travel and this 
> Air Book, as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me 
> about 6 hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most of that time 
> being typing time not reading time.  
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook 
> the price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook 
> air is about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one 
> day. They sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what 
> not.
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, 
>> NV where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth 
>> of minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am 
>> ACB Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but 
>> without all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely 
>> wonderful.
>>  
>> 
>> Marlaina Lieberg
>> 
>> 
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible 
>> as any other Macbook.
>> 
>> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

The basic 11 incher comes with 64 gb disk and 2 gb ram.  I upgraded to 4 gb and 
128 gb disk.  I call it my fat air!  LOL!
On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:26 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

and how much space does it come with. I guess I could look it up but I'm 
feeling quite lazy today. so far I am impressed. I am so sorry all for my rant.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> I so love how quickly my Air powers up for me.  It makes me laugh every time 
> I use it.  I wil tell you one small thing I do not like about he Air, but it 
> is so small it's not worth being upset about.  I am a very very fast typist 
> and the keyboard appears to be less sensitive to my flying fingers because 
> when I really get going, I see words with missing letters even though I know 
> I hae typed them.  Ah, see the word have which I just typed, is h a e but I 
> did hit the v.  So, I will either do a lot of editing, or slow down a tad.  
> But, I have not even had this for a week, so perhaps I'll get use to it in 
> time.  Aside from that, this thing is wonderful and oh yah, I have had a 
> netbook with all the attendant windows issues, smile.
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> Ok you bring up a good point but given time and program will not the macbook 
> air boot up in about a minute just like my pro? lol!
> 
> S
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> 
>> Apple *never* said that the Air was anything like a netbook. In fact, 
>> Apple's doing its level best to distance itself from the whole netbook 
>> thing. Of course, one could argue that it's a similar form factor and size, 
>> and a rose by any other name, etc. etc., but there are a couple of key 
>> differences:
>> 
>> 1) They refused to compromise on the keyboard size, so the Air has a full 
>> sized keyboard for typing. I think someone said that function keys are a bit 
>> reduced, though. 
>> 
>> 2) The Air isn't using anything like the mobile Atom processor. It's using a 
>> standard issue Core2 Duo, admittedly one at a lower clock speed than the 
>> newest ones, but nonetheless, it's a full dual core processor, not one 
>> optimized for low power consumption with processing power sacrificed.
>> 
>> 3) No netbook I've ever seen claims instant, or even near instant, powerup. 
>> --
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>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
 where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
 minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
 Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
 all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.

 
 Marlaina Lieberg
 
 
 1guide...@gmail.com
 
 On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
 
 The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
 any other Macbook.
 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

I don't think the Macbook Air would come with an OS that hasn't come out yet.  
In order for that to happen, you would need to have a time machine that could 
forward you to whenever 10.7, 10.8, ETC is released.
LOL

On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> think but not sure I read that the new air came with a flash drive version, 
> but not certain if they had the plans to extend it to other places or not...
> On 2010-11-07, at 8:39 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> So when the next OS after Snow Leopard comes out, you could ask for the OS 
>> on a USB flash drive instead of DVD?
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>> 
>>> comes with a usb drive with the os on it for restore.
>>> On 2010-11-07, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>> 
 Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating 
 system?  If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new 
 VoiceOver features are in the next cat.
 
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
> use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch 
> which is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have 
> that built in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants 
> lightweight in her dottage, smile!
> 
> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm 
> guessing you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for 
> one at class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
> 
> S
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  
>> It does for me what  I 
>> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really 
>> hinky, and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the 
>> battery would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that 
>> the word was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of 
>> hearing d o g or dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word 
>> miss spelled.  I even turned off auto correction and still had the same 
>> problem.  I really wanted something light and reliable for business 
>> travel and this Air Book, as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The 
>> battery lasts me about 6 hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most 
>> of that time being typing time not reading time.  
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook 
>> the price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook 
>> air is about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one 
>> day. They sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what 
>> not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, 
>>> NV where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth 
>>> of minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I 
>>> am ACB Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro 
>>> but without all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is 
>>> absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible 
>>> as any other Macbook.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

You just do it through iTunes or under apple, you look for update software or 
something like that.  You can also link the Air to other machines with a DVD or 
CD player, etc.  It's no problem at all.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating system?  
If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new VoiceOver 
features are in the next cat.

On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to use 
> one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch which is 
> what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have that built in 
> but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants lightweight in her 
> dottage, smile!
> 
> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing 
> you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at class 
> and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
> 
> S
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  It 
>> does for me what  I 
>> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, 
>> and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery 
>> would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word 
>> was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or 
>> dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I even 
>> turned off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really wanted 
>> something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, as I 
>> like to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 hours with 
>> VO echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing time not 
>> reading time.  
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>>> any other Macbook.
>>> 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

2010-11-07 Thread Mary Otten

Marlaina,
Your comment about the IPad was interesting. I've been pondering the possible 
purchase of an IPad or the Air and seeing pluses and minuses for both. I assume 
you are using Pages on the Air for all that note taking? I'd be curious if 
others' experiences with the bluetooth keyboard and the IPad mirrored yours. 
What keyboard were you using? Did you say you got the air with just 64gb of 
storage? Or did you upgrade? the price goes up mighty fast when you do that, 
but 64gb doesn't seem sufficient.

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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

2010-11-07 Thread heather kd5cbl

Well, the commercial on tv said otherwise.  It compares the macair to the 
netbook as the newer smarter and lighter netbook!  Heather 


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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Mary,

I got the fattest 11 inch air I could get with 128 gb storage and 4gb memory.  
Apple makes a great product, but you pay for it but then again, you get what 
you pay for.  So when I purchase an apple device, I only do it if I can get the 
most I can for what I want.  I concur, 64 GB is hardly enough.  Now the 13 
incher goes up to 256 G; LOL I just wrote K instead of GB; hmmm, do you think I 
am tired from travel?

I just cannot say enough about this Air!  but just as in the windows world a 
netbook is sexy, it might not be for everyone.  However, it surely is for me.

I will find out more about methodologies for updating the OS; I'm not 
concerned, because I still have a macBook Pro to which I can hook the Air, but 
I realize I am unique perhaps in that, so I will find out and let folks know 
what I learn unless somebody else already knows how to do it for sure.

Marlaina 
On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Marlaina,
Your comment about the IPad was interesting. I've been pondering the possible 
purchase of an IPad or the Air and seeing pluses and minuses for both. I assume 
you are using Pages on the Air for all that note taking? I'd be curious if 
others' experiences with the bluetooth keyboard and the IPad mirrored yours. 
What keyboard were you using? Did you say you got the air with just 64gb of 
storage? Or did you upgrade? the price goes up mighty fast when you do that, 
but 64gb doesn't seem sufficient.

mary
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Nope. For a couple reasons:

1) Its default shutdown is just a mega huge standby at exceedingly low power, 
so it doesn't have to start from scratch, and

2) Solid state flash drive is much faster than a mechanical hard drive.
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On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Ok you bring up a good point but given time and program will not the macbook 
> air boot up in about a minute just like my pro? lol!
> 
> S
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> 
>> Apple *never* said that the Air was anything like a netbook. In fact, 
>> Apple's doing its level best to distance itself from the whole netbook 
>> thing. Of course, one could argue that it's a similar form factor and size, 
>> and a rose by any other name, etc. etc., but there are a couple of key 
>> differences:
>> 
>> 1) They refused to compromise on the keyboard size, so the Air has a full 
>> sized keyboard for typing. I think someone said that function keys are a bit 
>> reduced, though. 
>> 
>> 2) The Air isn't using anything like the mobile Atom processor. It's using a 
>> standard issue Core2 Duo, admittedly one at a lower clock speed than the 
>> newest ones, but nonetheless, it's a full dual core processor, not one 
>> optimized for low power consumption with processing power sacrificed.
>> 
>> 3) No netbook I've ever seen claims instant, or even near instant, powerup. 
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>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
 where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
 minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
 Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
 all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.

 
 Marlaina Lieberg
 
 
 1guide...@gmail.com
 
 On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
 
 The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
 any other Macbook.
 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

and if you wanted to upgrade to lion would you have to buy the usb drive 
upgrade or what.  curious.

S
On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> comes with a usb drive with the os on it for restore.
> On 2010-11-07, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating system? 
>>  If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new VoiceOver 
>> features are in the next cat.
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
>>> use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch 
>>> which is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have that 
>>> built in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants 
>>> lightweight in her dottage, smile!
>>> 
>>> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing 
>>> you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at 
>>> class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  
 It does for me what  I 
 had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, 
 and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery 
 would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word 
 was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or 
 dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I 
 even turned off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really 
 wanted something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, 
 as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 
 hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing 
 time not reading time.  
 
 Marlaina
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
 price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
 about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
 sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>   
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 
> 
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible 
> as any other Macbook.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

but how would you restore from a usb drive?I thought you could only run voice 
over from the cd or from a cd and install that way?

S
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> think but not sure I read that the new air came with a flash drive version, 
> but not certain if they had the plans to extend it to other places or not...
> On 2010-11-07, at 8:39 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> So when the next OS after Snow Leopard comes out, you could ask for the OS 
>> on a USB flash drive instead of DVD?
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>> 
>>> comes with a usb drive with the os on it for restore.
>>> On 2010-11-07, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>> 
 Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating 
 system?  If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new 
 VoiceOver features are in the next cat.
 
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
> use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch 
> which is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have 
> that built in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants 
> lightweight in her dottage, smile!
> 
> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm 
> guessing you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for 
> one at class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
> 
> S
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  
>> It does for me what  I 
>> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really 
>> hinky, and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the 
>> battery would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that 
>> the word was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of 
>> hearing d o g or dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word 
>> miss spelled.  I even turned off auto correction and still had the same 
>> problem.  I really wanted something light and reliable for business 
>> travel and this Air Book, as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The 
>> battery lasts me about 6 hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most 
>> of that time being typing time not reading time.  
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook 
>> the price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook 
>> air is about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one 
>> day. They sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what 
>> not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, 
>>> NV where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth 
>>> of minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I 
>>> am ACB Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro 
>>> but without all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is 
>>> absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible 
>>> as any other Macbook.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Oh yeah forgot about the SS  drives that would make sence.

S
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> Nope. For a couple reasons:
> 
> 1) Its default shutdown is just a mega huge standby at exceedingly low power, 
> so it doesn't have to start from scratch, and
> 
> 2) Solid state flash drive is much faster than a mechanical hard drive.
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> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Ok you bring up a good point but given time and program will not the macbook 
>> air boot up in about a minute just like my pro? lol!
>> 
>> S
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>> 
>>> Apple *never* said that the Air was anything like a netbook. In fact, 
>>> Apple's doing its level best to distance itself from the whole netbook 
>>> thing. Of course, one could argue that it's a similar form factor and size, 
>>> and a rose by any other name, etc. etc., but there are a couple of key 
>>> differences:
>>> 
>>> 1) They refused to compromise on the keyboard size, so the Air has a full 
>>> sized keyboard for typing. I think someone said that function keys are a 
>>> bit reduced, though. 
>>> 
>>> 2) The Air isn't using anything like the mobile Atom processor. It's using 
>>> a standard issue Core2 Duo, admittedly one at a lower clock speed than the 
>>> newest ones, but nonetheless, it's a full dual core processor, not one 
>>> optimized for low power consumption with processing power sacrificed.
>>> 
>>> 3) No netbook I've ever seen claims instant, or even near instant, powerup. 
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
 price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
 about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
 sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>   
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 
> 
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible 
> as any other Macbook.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Apple is declaring the CDROM/DVD dead, or at least dying, very like it did with 
the floppy drive back when the iMac first came out. Remember that? Remember how 
we all laughed at it and thought, "Oh, no, the floppy drive. Gotta have one, 
it's not going anywhere." Apple was ahead of the curve, and I'd like that crow 
with extra hot sauce please. No, the OS will be shipped on a thumb drive, of 
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> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating system?  
> If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new VoiceOver 
> features are in the next cat.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
>> use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch which 
>> is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have that built 
>> in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants lightweight in 
>> her dottage, smile!
>> 
>> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing 
>> you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at 
>> class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
>> 
>> S
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  It 
>>> does for me what  I 
>>> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, 
>>> and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery 
>>> would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word 
>>> was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or 
>>> dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I 
>>> even turned off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really 
>>> wanted something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, 
>>> as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 
>>> hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing 
>>> time not reading time.  
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
 where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
 minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
 Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
 all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.

 
 Marlaina Lieberg
 
 
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 The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
 any other Macbook.
 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

This surprises me, especially if it's an Apple commercial and not a commercial 
from a third party. 
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On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:04 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:

> Well, the commercial on tv said otherwise.  It compares the macair to the 
> netbook as the newer smarter and lighter netbook!  Heather 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

I find that very odd. 'd hope those drives would be protected from accidental 
erasure.

amazing stuff.

S
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Apple is declaring the CDROM/DVD dead, or at least dying, very like it did 
> with the floppy drive back when the iMac first came out. Remember that? 
> Remember how we all laughed at it and thought, "Oh, no, the floppy drive. 
> Gotta have one, it's not going anywhere." Apple was ahead of the curve, and 
> I'd like that crow with extra hot sauce please. No, the OS will be shipped on 
> a thumb drive, of course. 
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> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating system? 
>>  If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new VoiceOver 
>> features are in the next cat.
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
>>> use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch 
>>> which is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have that 
>>> built in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants 
>>> lightweight in her dottage, smile!
>>> 
>>> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing 
>>> you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at 
>>> class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  
 It does for me what  I 
 had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, 
 and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery 
 would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word 
 was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or 
 dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I 
 even turned off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really 
 wanted something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, 
 as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 
 hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing 
 time not reading time.  
 
 Marlaina
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
 price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
 about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
 sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>   
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 
> 
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible 
> as any other Macbook.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Of course not. You can run from an external hard drive, boot from it even, and 
have it as your main drive if you like. I've booted from a full carbon copy 
cloner - made backup of my system, it really isn't at all difficult.
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On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> but how would you restore from a usb drive?I thought you could only run voice 
> over from the cd or from a cd and install that way?
> 
> S
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> 
>> think but not sure I read that the new air came with a flash drive version, 
>> but not certain if they had the plans to extend it to other places or not...
>> On 2010-11-07, at 8:39 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>> 
>>> So when the next OS after Snow Leopard comes out, you could ask for the OS 
>>> on a USB flash drive instead of DVD?
>>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>>> 
 comes with a usb drive with the os on it for restore.
 On 2010-11-07, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
 
> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating 
> system?  If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new 
> VoiceOver features are in the next cat.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed 
>> to use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 
>> inch which is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers 
>> have that built in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady 
>> wants lightweight in her dottage, smile!
>> 
>> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm 
>> guessing you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save 
>> for one at class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
>> 
>> S
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it. 
>>>  It does for me what  I 
>>> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really 
>>> hinky, and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the 
>>> battery would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed 
>>> that the word was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of 
>>> hearing d o g or dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word 
>>> miss spelled.  I even turned off auto correction and still had the same 
>>> problem.  I really wanted something light and reliable for business 
>>> travel and this Air Book, as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The 
>>> battery lasts me about 6 hours with VO echoing words as I type, and 
>>> most of that time being typing time not reading time.  
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook 
>>> the price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook 
>>> air is about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one 
>>> day. They sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what 
>>> not.
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, 
 NV where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth 
 of minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I 
 am ACB Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro 
 but without all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is 
 absolutely wonderful.

 
 Marlaina Lieberg
 
 
 1guide...@gmail.com
 
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 The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as 
 accessible as any other Macbook.
 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

lol. I'm still a beginner when it comes to that then. We can probably discuss 
that one later.

Talke care.

S
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Of course not. You can run from an external hard drive, boot from it even, 
> and have it as your main drive if you like. I've booted from a full carbon 
> copy cloner - made backup of my system, it really isn't at all difficult.
> --
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> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> but how would you restore from a usb drive?I thought you could only run 
>> voice over from the cd or from a cd and install that way?
>> 
>> S
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>> 
>>> think but not sure I read that the new air came with a flash drive version, 
>>> but not certain if they had the plans to extend it to other places or not...
>>> On 2010-11-07, at 8:39 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>> 
 So when the next OS after Snow Leopard comes out, you could ask for the OS 
 on a USB flash drive instead of DVD?
 
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
 
> comes with a usb drive with the os on it for restore.
> On 2010-11-07, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating 
>> system?  If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever 
>> new VoiceOver features are in the next cat.
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed 
>>> to use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 
>>> inch which is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers 
>>> have that built in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady 
>>> wants lightweight in her dottage, smile!
>>> 
>>> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm 
>>> guessing you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save 
>>> for one at class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get 
 it.  It does for me what  I 
 had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really 
 hinky, and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the 
 battery would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed 
 that the word was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead 
 of hearing d o g or dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled 
 word miss spelled.  I even turned off auto correction and still had 
 the same problem.  I really wanted something light and reliable for 
 business travel and this Air Book, as I like to call it, is just the 
 thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 hours with VO echoing words as I 
 type, and most of that time being typing time not reading time.  
 
 Marlaina
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook 
 the price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the 
 macbook air is about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try 
 one one day. They sound cool for quick things like note taking in 
 class o what not.
 On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from 
> Reno, NV where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 
> hours worth of minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board 
> Meeting.  I am ACB Secretary, and this machine performs just like my 
> MacBook Pro but without all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and 
> it is absolutely wonderful.
>   
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 
> 
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as 
> accessible as any other Macbook.
> 
> Kevin
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Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

Hi folks.

Ok, I'll stop loving my Air and start learning again from so many of you who 
are so kind to give your time and knowledge.  I have a few situations using 
apple mail I'd love to fix.  Here goes.

1.  When I open mail, it tells me 1 row added or 5 rows added over and over 
until all my mail is downloaded.  Please tell me I can turn that off!

2.  Is there a key sequence I can use to add let's say one address from an 
email to my addressbook?  For example, if I want to add macvisionaries, but not 
the sender from whom the message appears, how do I do that?  My husband took 
the mouse and put it on the to field, which was macvisionar...@gmail.com and 
then he clicked the triangle to the right which brought up a menu o choices 
which included copy address and add to addressbook.  How do I do that using vo?

3. I'm reading a message and decide to keep it, but I don't want to move it; I 
want to leave it in my inbox for now.  How do I close it and be returned to my 
inbox list of messages?  Right now I do cmd-w then cmd-1 to reopen the inbox; I 
have to believe there is a better way!

4.  I've read the message and from within it, I press backspace to delete it.  
This takes me back to my list of messages in the inbox, but I hear all this 
verbiage about inbox table one row selected before I hear from whom the next 
message was sent or its subject.  Can I make that stop?

5. I am desperate for help in fining attachments; vo tells me there is one, but 
I can't seem to find it.  I've done all sorts of itterations of turning long 
headers on, interacting with toolbar, interacting with message text, and the 
list goes on!  It just escapes me!

6.  I know what the attachment is and decide to save it.  I go to file and save 
attachment and when the filename dialogue box comes up, it doesn't read the 
name of the file.  Is there a way to hear that?

Ok, those are my questions and I know they are many and basic.  However, I 
would be so grateful for any insight people can give me.

Marlaina

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for anyone using box car how do I sign up

Ok all. I tried to sign up with box car but for some reason I cannot.  I enter 
my email and my passfraze and confirm but there is no save button. How do those 
of you who use box car sign up?

Take care.




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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

2010-11-07 Thread heather kd5cbl

Yep I was surprised while I was watching the saints game to see this as 
well!  Heather 


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Re: for anyone using box car how do I sign up

What is Box car please?
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Ok all. I tried to sign up with box car but for some reason I cannot.  I enter 
my email and my passfraze and confirm but there is no save button. How do those 
of you who use box car sign up?

Take care.




Sarah Alawami
MSN: marri...@gmail.com 
aim: marri...@gmail.com:

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face book: facebook.com/marrie
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Yes, but I think they are talking to windows users whom, if apple said this 
wasn't a netbook, would run out and buy a tosheba, smile!  I know rom having 
done marketing, ya gotta go to where the mind of the customer lives then gently 
bring them along with you to a better place.

Marlaina
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:28 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:

Yep I was surprised while I was watching the saints game to see this as well!  
Heather 
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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

I'll answer your second question for now.berg wrote:

> 2.  Is there a key sequence I can use to add let's say one address from an 
> email to my addressbook?  For example, if I want to add macvisionaries, but 
> not the sender from whom the message appears, how do I do that?  My husband 
> took the mouse and put it on the to field, which was macvisionar...@gmail.com 
> and then he clicked the triangle to the right which brought up a menu o 
> choices which included copy address and add to addressbook.  How do I do that 
> using vo?
a: hit cmd shift h to show long headers and vo left to the headers list. Now go 
to the too field and focus on the address Now hit vo shift space on the address.

Take care.

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Re: for anyone using box car how do I sign up

Box car is an app that will push email nd twitter and more notifications to you 
all at once on IOS4.

S
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:29 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> What is Box car please?
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> Ok all. I tried to sign up with box car but for some reason I cannot.  I 
> enter my email and my passfraze and confirm but there is no save button. How 
> do those of you who use box car sign up?
> 
> Take care.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sarah Alawami
> MSN: marri...@gmail.com 
> aim: marri...@gmail.com:
> 
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> face book: facebook.com/marrie
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

2010-11-07 Thread Nektarios Mallas

Hello.
I am not going to defend windows or netbooks here, but you can get this $300 
computer with windows 7 sarter, add NVDA free and powerful screen reader and 
you are good to go.

Nektarios.

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> Hate to say this, but that $300 pc NetBook becomes $1300 when you add the 
> price of Accessibility.  For $1000 you get not only a nice performing 
> computer but a screenreader as well.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>>> any other Macbook.
>>> 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Hi,
Yeah, but Windows, at least to me, there's so much stuff to deal with  there, 
virus scans, slowness of a Windows PC, shall I go on. I guess I'm more partial 
to macs, but to each their own.
Courtney

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> Hello.
> I am not going to defend windows or netbooks here, but you can get this $300 
> computer with windows 7 sarter, add NVDA free and powerful screen reader and 
> you are good to go.
> 
> Nektarios.
> 
> On Nov 8, 2010, at 2:39 AM, Pete Nalda wrote:
> 
>> Hate to say this, but that $300 pc NetBook becomes $1300 when you add the 
>> price of Accessibility.  For $1000 you get not only a nice performing 
>> computer but a screenreader as well.
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
 where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
 minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
 Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
 all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.

 
 Marlaina Lieberg
 
 
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 The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
 any other Macbook.
 
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accessible games

Hi,
Is there an accessible version of either Crazy Eights or Life for the Mac?
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

that's great; there should always be choices.  Marlaina
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

Hello.
I am not going to defend windows or netbooks here, but you can get this $300 
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you are good to go.

Nektarios.

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> Hate to say this, but that $300 pc NetBook becomes $1300 when you add the 
> price of Accessibility.  For $1000 you get not only a nice performing 
> computer but a screenreader as well.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>>> any other Macbook.
>>> 
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Itunes strange behaviour.

2010-11-07 Thread Nektarios Mallas

Hi guys.
I m having some problems with Itunes and podcasts.
Let's say I play a few podcasts and then delete them. Next time Itunes checks 
for new episodes, it downloads them again. In other words, something is wrong I 
think with the database that keeps track of the podcasts.
Any suggestions? 
Nektarios.

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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

When I do this, I do not see the to field; all I see is the from field even 
with long headers turned on.

Marlaina
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I'll answer your second question for now.berg wrote:

> 2.  Is there a key sequence I can use to add let's say one address from an 
> email to my addressbook?  For example, if I want to add macvisionaries, but 
> not the sender from whom the message appears, how do I do that?  My husband 
> took the mouse and put it on the to field, which was macvisionar...@gmail.com 
> and then he clicked the triangle to the right which brought up a menu o 
> choices which included copy address and add to addressbook.  How do I do that 
> using vo?
a: hit cmd shift h to show long headers and vo left to the headers list. Now go 
to the too field and focus on the address Now hit vo shift space on the address.

Take care.

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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

If you vo down arrow the to field is there. it is after the subject field I 
think.

s
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> When I do this, I do not see the to field; all I see is the from field even 
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> 
> Marlaina
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> 
> I'll answer your second question for now.berg wrote:
> 
>> 2.  Is there a key sequence I can use to add let's say one address from an 
>> email to my addressbook?  For example, if I want to add macvisionaries, but 
>> not the sender from whom the message appears, how do I do that?  My husband 
>> took the mouse and put it on the to field, which was 
>> macvisionar...@gmail.com and then he clicked the triangle to the right which 
>> brought up a menu o choices which included copy address and add to 
>> addressbook.  How do I do that using vo?
> a: hit cmd shift h to show long headers and vo left to the headers list. Now 
> go to the too field and focus on the address Now hit vo shift space on the 
> address.
> 
> Take care.
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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

When I vo down arrow, I am put back into your message.  I'll keep trying.

Marlaina
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If you vo down arrow the to field is there. it is after the subject field I 
think.

s
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> When I do this, I do not see the to field; all I see is the from field even 
> with long headers turned on.
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> I'll answer your second question for now.berg wrote:
> 
>> 2.  Is there a key sequence I can use to add let's say one address from an 
>> email to my addressbook?  For example, if I want to add macvisionaries, but 
>> not the sender from whom the message appears, how do I do that?  My husband 
>> took the mouse and put it on the to field, which was 
>> macvisionar...@gmail.com and then he clicked the triangle to the right which 
>> brought up a menu o choices which included copy address and add to 
>> addressbook.  How do I do that using vo?
> a: hit cmd shift h to show long headers and vo left to the headers list. Now 
> go to the too field and focus on the address Now hit vo shift space on the 
> address.
> 
> Take care.
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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

This is interesting; if I let vo read it to me, it reads the to field but I 
cannot vo down or vo arrow there at all.  Surely I am doing something 
incorrectly!
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

If you vo down arrow the to field is there. it is after the subject field I 
think.

s
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> When I do this, I do not see the to field; all I see is the from field even 
> with long headers turned on.
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> I'll answer your second question for now.berg wrote:
> 
>> 2.  Is there a key sequence I can use to add let's say one address from an 
>> email to my addressbook?  For example, if I want to add macvisionaries, but 
>> not the sender from whom the message appears, how do I do that?  My husband 
>> took the mouse and put it on the to field, which was 
>> macvisionar...@gmail.com and then he clicked the triangle to the right which 
>> brought up a menu o choices which included copy address and add to 
>> addressbook.  How do I do that using vo?
> a: hit cmd shift h to show long headers and vo left to the headers list. Now 
> go to the too field and focus on the address Now hit vo shift space on the 
> address.
> 
> Take care.
> 
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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

2010-11-07 Thread Mary Otten

Marlaina,
When in the header after hitting command shift h to access long headers, 
interact, then you can arrow down and you will find the to field.

Mary

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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Yes, with something like that, it's hard to think why anyone would spend so 
much more on the blindness note takers, they cost more and do less.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

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> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without all 
> the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>   
> 
> Marlaina Lieberg
> 
> 
> 1guide...@gmail.com
> 
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
> any other Macbook.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

2010-11-07 Thread Mary Otten

I can think of at least two reasons why somebody would want a blindness 
notetaker rather than a Macbook Air. You like to write using a braille keyboard 
and you don't want to mess with two devices, e.g. the Air and a display. You 
want gps, which you can't get with a Macbook Air. and number 3, the blindness 
notetaker such as the Apex voicenote or voicesense is still smaller and has 
better battery life than the Air. Oh, and reading books from blindness-oriented 
places like bookshare or RFB&D is less of a hassle with a notetaker. Surely, as 
somebody who paid a premium for an unlicked IPhone, you will admit that some 
decisions are not made based on strictly dollars and cents basis. 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

You may already know this, but, if you turn the brightness down all the way 
your battery may last even longer, you will need to do this each time, since it 
won't let you save a screen brightness of zero percent, but, each time you fire 
up, press either F1 or function F1, depending on if your function keys are set 
for hardware or software functions until it says brightness 0 percent. On my 
macbook, I get about 14 hours by doing this. Note that this is different than 
just using the screen curtain in voiceover, the screen curtain does not 
compltely turn off the light on the display.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  It 
> does for me what  I 
> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, and 
> sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery would be 
> dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word was miss 
> spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or dog, I'd 
> hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I even turned 
> off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really wanted 
> something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, as I like 
> to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 hours with VO 
> echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing time not reading 
> time.  
> 
> Marlaina
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>  
>> 
>> Marlaina Lieberg
>> 
>> 
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
>> any other Macbook.
>> 
>> Kevin
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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

Mary,

Ok when I do that, it has me interacting with the text of your address, subject 
line, date, time and the macvisionaries address but when I do vo space once I 
vo right arrowed to the macvisionaries address it beeps at me because, I think, 
I'm interacting with the text of these fields but not the actual fields?

Marlaina


On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Marlaina,
When in the header after hitting command shift h to access long headers, 
interact, then you can arrow down and you will find the to field.

Mary

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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

2010-11-07 Thread Eric Oyen

try vo shift down arrow. this will put you into interact with text mode. 
from there, all the headers will be available.

I can find the reply-to headers and the from headers going this far, but vo 
shift M doesn't open an options menu for me. so I am not sure how to add a new 
address to the address book this way.  since I have the mouse locked to the vo 
cursor, I can right mouse click on the item and the menu appears.

after I am done, I vo shift up arrow to leave text interactive mode.

-Eric



On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> This is interesting; if I let vo read it to me, it reads the to field but I 
> cannot vo down or vo arrow there at all.  Surely I am doing something 
> incorrectly!
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> If you vo down arrow the to field is there. it is after the subject field I 
> think.
> 
> s
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> When I do this, I do not see the to field; all I see is the from field even 
>> with long headers turned on.
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> I'll answer your second question for now.berg wrote:
>> 
>>> 2.  Is there a key sequence I can use to add let's say one address from an 
>>> email to my addressbook?  For example, if I want to add macvisionaries, but 
>>> not the sender from whom the message appears, how do I do that?  My husband 
>>> took the mouse and put it on the to field, which was 
>>> macvisionar...@gmail.com and then he clicked the triangle to the right 
>>> which brought up a menu o choices which included copy address and add to 
>>> addressbook.  How do I do that using vo?
>> a: hit cmd shift h to show long headers and vo left to the headers list. Now 
>> go to the too field and focus on the address Now hit vo shift space on the 
>> address.
>> 
>> Take care.
>> 
>> S
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

You can use an external DVD drive, they're not that expensive. Once you have 
one of those, it's done the same way, and it comes with a USB flash drive with 
the current operating system.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating system?  
> If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new VoiceOver 
> features are in the next cat.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
>> use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch which 
>> is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have that built 
>> in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants lightweight in 
>> her dottage, smile!
>> 
>> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing 
>> you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at 
>> class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
>> 
>> S
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  It 
>>> does for me what  I 
>>> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, 
>>> and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery 
>>> would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word 
>>> was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or 
>>> dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I 
>>> even turned off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really 
>>> wanted something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, 
>>> as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 
>>> hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing 
>>> time not reading time.  
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
 where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
 minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
 Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
 all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.

 
 Marlaina Lieberg
 
 
 1guide...@gmail.com
 
 On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
 
 The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible as 
 any other Macbook.
 
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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

Did you interact with the header field then try and vo down arrow?
On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> This is interesting; if I let vo read it to me, it reads the to field but I 
> cannot vo down or vo arrow there at all.  Surely I am doing something 
> incorrectly!
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> If you vo down arrow the to field is there. it is after the subject field I 
> think.
> 
> s
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> When I do this, I do not see the to field; all I see is the from field even 
>> with long headers turned on.
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> I'll answer your second question for now.berg wrote:
>> 
>>> 2.  Is there a key sequence I can use to add let's say one address from an 
>>> email to my addressbook?  For example, if I want to add macvisionaries, but 
>>> not the sender from whom the message appears, how do I do that?  My husband 
>>> took the mouse and put it on the to field, which was 
>>> macvisionar...@gmail.com and then he clicked the triangle to the right 
>>> which brought up a menu o choices which included copy address and add to 
>>> addressbook.  How do I do that using vo?
>> a: hit cmd shift h to show long headers and vo left to the headers list. Now 
>> go to the too field and focus on the address Now hit vo shift space on the 
>> address.
>> 
>> Take care.
>> 
>> S
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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

Ok once yu get to the too field do a vo shift space and it should click the 
mouse.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Mary,
> 
> Ok when I do that, it has me interacting with the text of your address, 
> subject line, date, time and the macvisionaries address but when I do vo 
> space once I vo right arrowed to the macvisionaries address it beeps at me 
> because, I think, I'm interacting with the text of these fields but not the 
> actual fields?
> 
> Marlaina
> 
> 
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
> Marlaina,
> When in the header after hitting command shift h to access long headers, 
> interact, then you can arrow down and you will find the to field.
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

Out of the 2, I think I would choose the macbook air, for lots of writing, it 
would be a better choice.
On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Marlaina,
> Your comment about the IPad was interesting. I've been pondering the possible 
> purchase of an IPad or the Air and seeing pluses and minuses for both. I 
> assume you are using Pages on the Air for all that note taking? I'd be 
> curious if others' experiences with the bluetooth keyboard and the IPad 
> mirrored yours. What keyboard were you using? Did you say you got the air 
> with just 64gb of storage? Or did you upgrade? the price goes up mighty fast 
> when you do that, but 64gb doesn't seem sufficient.
> 
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Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover