Re: allegiant air website not accessible with vo and safari

[Ray Foret Jr]

Wondering why I couldn't get the blasted dates to show.  Thanks.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

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On Sep 14, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Hi Mary, this is indeed a problem site, I do have a wrk around though. Move 
your voice over cursor to the date you want, and press control option command 
f5 to place the mouse on the item. Now press control option shift space to do a 
mouse click, this calendar seems to require actual mouse clicks to work, it's 
bad design on their part though.
On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi all,
> I was trying to help a friend make an on line reservation using
> http://www.allegiantair.com
> and couldn't get past the opening screen, because I was unable to access the 
> calendar to select departure and return dates. I tried this with a pc as well 
> and didn't have any better luck there, but for purposes of  this message, I'm 
> curious if any of you have been successful with this site or can tell me what 
> the problem is, so that if I write to Apple, I'd know what to reference. I 
> had high hopes for the magic track pad and that calendar, but even though vo 
> read out s m t w etc and the numbers for dates all in a string, I couldn't 
> get focus on any one thing to try to select. Getting the numbers and letter 
> abbreviations read out was further than I or she got with windows screen 
> readers, but it still didn't do us any good. 
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: allegiant air website not accessible with vo and safari

[Colin M]

Hi Mary! and all!
I've had another look and I am not having the same trouble as you and others!
Mike says to bring the cursor to vo cursor and then do a mouse click!
All I can say is I do not need to do this!
I've found a quick way to get to the table, using the rota vo+u go to the 
table's part and it is the only table select it, then I can go to the city 
button select one then I scroll right past the clickable text to departure 
link, vo+sp bar that then scroll right again past adults button children button 
promo code until I get to the month which is set on sep each side of the month 
name is than I went to >than and vo+sp bar and scrolled left back to 
the month name and it changed to Oct.
Then scrolled right along to the year changed that in the same way with >than, 
scrolled right again then comes the days letters s, m, t, w After that are 
the numbers which all have links selected one and I went to the departure field 
and the date was all there!
I also did the same for return date!
I hope this helps!
Colin.
On 15 Sep 2010, at 08:28, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Wondering why I couldn't get the blasted dates to show.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, this is indeed a problem site, I do have a wrk around though. Move 
> your voice over cursor to the date you want, and press control option command 
> f5 to place the mouse on the item. Now press control option shift space to do 
> a mouse click, this calendar seems to require actual mouse clicks to work, 
> it's bad design on their part though.
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I was trying to help a friend make an on line reservation using
>> http://www.allegiantair.com
>> and couldn't get past the opening screen, because I was unable to access the 
>> calendar to select departure and return dates. I tried this with a pc as 
>> well and didn't have any better luck there, but for purposes of  this 
>> message, I'm curious if any of you have been successful with this site or 
>> can tell me what the problem is, so that if I write to Apple, I'd know what 
>> to reference. I had high hopes for the magic track pad and that calendar, 
>> but even though vo read out s m t w etc and the numbers for dates all in a 
>> string, I couldn't get focus on any one thing to try to select. Getting the 
>> numbers and letter abbreviations read out was further than I or she got with 
>> windows screen readers, but it still didn't do us any good. 
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: allegiant air website not accessible with vo and safari

[Ray Foret Jr]

In short, we were not looking in what we thought was the right place.  Is that 
it?

wow!!  Again, thanks.


Sincerely,
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On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:05 AM, Colin M wrote:

Hi Mary! and all!
I've had another look and I am not having the same trouble as you and others!
Mike says to bring the cursor to vo cursor and then do a mouse click!
All I can say is I do not need to do this!
I've found a quick way to get to the table, using the rota vo+u go to the 
table's part and it is the only table select it, then I can go to the city 
button select one then I scroll right past the clickable text to departure 
link, vo+sp bar that then scroll right again past adults button children button 
promo code until I get to the month which is set on sep each side of the month 
name is than I went to >than and vo+sp bar and scrolled left back to 
the month name and it changed to Oct.
Then scrolled right along to the year changed that in the same way with >than, 
scrolled right again then comes the days letters s, m, t, w After that are 
the numbers which all have links selected one and I went to the departure field 
and the date was all there!
I also did the same for return date!
I hope this helps!
Colin.
On 15 Sep 2010, at 08:28, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Wondering why I couldn't get the blasted dates to show.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, this is indeed a problem site, I do have a wrk around though. Move 
> your voice over cursor to the date you want, and press control option command 
> f5 to place the mouse on the item. Now press control option shift space to do 
> a mouse click, this calendar seems to require actual mouse clicks to work, 
> it's bad design on their part though.
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I was trying to help a friend make an on line reservation using
>> http://www.allegiantair.com
>> and couldn't get past the opening screen, because I was unable to access the 
>> calendar to select departure and return dates. I tried this with a pc as 
>> well and didn't have any better luck there, but for purposes of  this 
>> message, I'm curious if any of you have been successful with this site or 
>> can tell me what the problem is, so that if I write to Apple, I'd know what 
>> to reference. I had high hopes for the magic track pad and that calendar, 
>> but even though vo read out s m t w etc and the numbers for dates all in a 
>> string, I couldn't get focus on any one thing to try to select. Getting the 
>> numbers and letter abbreviations read out was further than I or she got with 
>> windows screen readers, but it still didn't do us any good. 
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
>> 
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Braille Note, Power Point and a Mac

[Michael Busboom]

I need some advice and since this list has been so helpful so often, I thought 
I would see if someone can enlighten me.

I will soon be receiving Power Point presentations in German that will need to 
be translated into English.  For reasons that aren't important here, I will not 
be inserting my translated texts into a Power Point presentation.  For the most 
part, the Power Point presentations will be produced Microsoft Office 2010, 
though I could ask the author to save them under an earlier version of Office.

What I want to do is convert the Power Point presentations to plain ASCII or 
Text, copy them to a USB memory stick and then read them on my Braille Note 
Empower.  The Braile Note can also handle RTF files.

Any suggestions on how to accomplish this would be greatly appreciated.  By the 
way, I have iWork, should it be necessary to use this suite of programs.

Thanking you in advance,

Mike

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importing bank account info into numbers

[Nancy Badger]

In case anyone wants to know, the CSV file extension works great.
Thanks to the person who emailed me off list and told me to use it.  It
works like a dream.  (although my bank account is a nightmare lol)

Nancy

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Re: RS games client not working, help please?

[Brandon Misch]

did you try plain arrowing around? it uses the system voice and no vo stuff so 
it's hard to get used to. 

On Sep 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, johns.kary wrote:

> Hi guys,
> Can someone give me a hand with the RS games client?
> 
> I've downloaded the mac client from 
> http://www.x-sight-interactive.net/rsgames/
> 
> I've used command O to open the DMG file, and vo space to enter the RS client.
> When it opens all it says is RS has no windows.
> I've looked through the website, and googled and cant find any answers.
> Am I missing something obvious hear?
> Thanks for any help.
> Kari.
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Re: trackpad gesture that mutes speech in voiceover

[Barry Abbott]

Hi it's a three finger double tap to mute VoiceOver. The triple three finger 
tap toggles the screen curtain on or off.

Barry.


On 2010-09-13, at 8:43 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> I think it's a 3 finger triple tap that does it.
> On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Yesterday, while using my magic trackpad, I did something that muted 
>> voiceover. I was trying to do the rotor gesture. My trackpad has been acting 
>> weirdly lately anyway; I thought the batteries might need changing, but the 
>> Mac says the level is 87%, so that must not be it. Anyway, once I did 
>> whatever it was to accidentally mute speech, I was lucky enough to have 
>> sighted help, who could go and find the mute speech toggle in the voice over 
>> commands menu. I looked through the gestures and commands in track pad 
>> commander but no luck there. What was the gesture to mute speech so I can 
>> perhaps do it again to undo the mistake in future and not have to resort to 
>> sighted help? Thanks.
>> 
>> Mary
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: are there British US or Ostrailan male voices on ipods models/iphone with voiceover yet?

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
Unfortunately, there aren't any male voices for the Idevices. I wish there were 
because they're just better coming out of the builtin Ipod Touch speaker, I 
would suspect. I heard somewhere that Apple would probably impliment more voice 
selections into future IOS versions.
HTH,
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On Sep 13, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> hello everyone, my Name is Daniel and I decided to join this list again after 
> a while because before I was getting too many emails but now I'm back! But as 
> my subject line says I was wondering for though's who use an ipod touch ipad 
> or whatever apple product that has voiceover on it. Do you know if you have 
> any male voices yet in it instead of the female voices that come with it. I 
> ask this because a while ago I sent an email to apple accessabilty and got a 
> responce saying that theywould forward it on the right people but haven't 
> heard of anything since. The reason I want this because as well as being 
> blind I have a hearing impairment too and have been since birth I wear 
> hearing aids. I just can't understand the female voices with the products. So 
> for thoughs who read this I would really be greatful if you could email 
> ap...@accessibility.com and if your not hearing in pared I would still really 
> be greatful if you could take the time for the bennifit of hearing in pared 
> people plus being blind to   explain this sort of situation to them. I have 
> sent them another email this morning UK time but as of yet I have had no 
> news. Its one of the things that's stopping me getting another ipod touch and 
> giving it another try! Honestly I find it so fustrating. 
> Well I hope to hear from you all soon. 
> Many Thanks and hope your all having a plesent day weather its morning, 
> afternoon or evening!
> Daniel  
> 
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rfb&d books on the mac

[Robert Hooper]

I can't remember if this has yet been discussed, but is there a solution for 
downloading/reading RFB&D Audio+ Books on a Mac computer? I know that RFB&D 
heavily protects their content, and any device needs to be "authorized" before 
it can use any material downloaded from RFB&D. Any information would be 
appreciated, as I will soon be obtaining an Apple computer and this would be 
great for textbooks in college  classes.
Thanks,
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu

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Re: RS games client not working, help please?

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
I press shift along with my arrow keys and it works fine for me.
HTH,
Courtney
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On Sep 15, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:

> did you try plain arrowing around? it uses the system voice and no vo stuff 
> so it's hard to get used to. 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, johns.kary wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> Can someone give me a hand with the RS games client?
>> 
>> I've downloaded the mac client from 
>> http://www.x-sight-interactive.net/rsgames/
>> 
>> I've used command O to open the DMG file, and vo space to enter the RS 
>> client.
>> When it opens all it says is RS has no windows.
>> I've looked through the website, and googled and cant find any answers.
>> Am I missing something obvious hear?
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Kari.
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Re: are there British US or Ostrailan male voices on ipods models/iphone with voiceover yet?

[Daniel McGee]

Hello Courtney, many thanks for your responce. I would be very greatful if you 
could send an email to ap...@accessibility.com and explain that you would like 
this too in future versions of there I OSupdates. I have done so already for 
the reason that I can simply understand the male voices over the female ones 
because of my hearing impairment  but the more people who let them know then 
hopefully they will do it for us! 
Thanks 
Daniel 


From: Courtney Curran 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: are there British US or Ostrailan male voices on ipods 
models/iphone with voiceover yet?


Hi, 
Unfortunately, there aren't any male voices for the Idevices. I wish there were 
because they're just better coming out of the builtin Ipod Touch speaker, I 
would suspect. I heard somewhere that Apple would probably impliment more voice 
selections into future IOS versions.
HTH,
Courtney

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08:00 UTC on http://www.theglobalvoice.info 


On Sep 13, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:


  hello everyone, my Name is Daniel and I decided to join this list again after 
a while because before I was getting too many emails but now I'm back! But as 
my subject line says I was wondering for though's who use an ipod touch ipad or 
whatever apple product that has voiceover on it. Do you know if you have any 
male voices yet in it instead of the female voices that come with it. I ask 
this because a while ago I sent an email to apple accessabilty and got a 
responce saying that theywould forward it on the right people but haven't heard 
of anything since. The reason I want this because as well as being blind I have 
a hearing impairment too and have been since birth I wear hearing aids. I just 
can't understand the female voices with the products. So for thoughs who read 
this I would really be greatful if you could email ap...@accessibility.com and 
if your not hearing in pared I would still really be greatful if you could take 
the time for the bennifit of hearing in pared people plus being blind to   
explain this sort of situation to them. I have sent them another email this 
morning UK time but as of yet I have had no news. Its one of the things that's 
stopping me getting another ipod touch and giving it another try! Honestly I 
find it so fustrating. 
  Well I hope to hear from you all soon. 
  Many Thanks and hope your all having a plesent day weather its morning, 
afternoon or evening!
  Daniel  
  


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Amadeus Pro Zoom keystroke

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

I have been doing lots of editing with Amadeus lately. I have read several 
people say that "command-g" allows one to adjust the zoom amount. I am using 
the latest version and command-g opens a go to dialog. Does anybody know if the 
zoom adjustment has a different hotkey?

Thanks,

Robert Carter

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Re: duo core or i5 in mbp

[Chris Blouch]

 My old Ensoniq ESQ1 has been replaced by a Roland Juno-G but the ESQ1 
is still in the basement somewhere. Weighs about 30-40 pounds so it 
wasn't fun lugging around. I remember having a lot of fun with a Yamaha 
DX7 in the early 80s making lots of interesting but not do musical 
sounds with it. Now days there are kids and family life outside of work 
so not much noodling with macs and music.


I still have some old PowerMac 9500s that I use for firewalls of all 
things since they have no command line to hack into. As one dies I just 
grab another from the pile.


CB

On 9/13/10 7:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Speaking of old Mac gear, I know the Synclavier has been reworked around Modern 
Intel Macs now.  I wonder if you could grab an old post pro SD or 9600 from 
Ebay and use it with Voice over.  I saw one from Lucass Film on ebay for under 
10 grand and I think you can get one from synclavier.com for under 25 grand 
which might osund like a lot but they were 750 large back in the day.


I used to work with one (synclavier 6400) and loved it!

On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:


Right, this was just straight audio recording. Any processing was done with 
outboard gear or post processed. Software synths and effects can definitely 
chew up a lot of CPU. While I haven't played with this a lot I would assume 
rendering out the processed track to a new track would free up some resources. 
Back then we had a 32-channel analog Mackie fed into a Mac ProTools rig. At 
home I was running a little MOTU 8-channel firewire box with their Sound Desk 
software. Haven't played with it in years so I don't know if they even make it 
anymore or if it would work with OSX. Someday I should put the stuff I don't 
use up on ebay, just too much bother and would anyone still want a Emu Proteus 
MIDI box or a DAT recorder anymore :)

CB

On 9/13/10 5:02 PM, Cameron wrote:

Hi.  it depends on what sort of recording we're referring to; If we are
talking about audio tracks, or, soft synths/virtual instruments that use
wave streaming etc.  the latter is where your processor and ram as well as
hd rpm really become important.

Are you a voiceover user by the way?  If so, the current versions of logic
are not accessible.  Pro tools is accessible for audio, but not for midi.
For example, the event list editor is not accessible with vo.  Hopefully
that will be addressed in a future update.

Cameron.





-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: duo core or i5 in mbp

   Back in the day, like 10 years ago, I was able to record 8 concurrent
tracks on an old powerMac g4. I would suspect even mundane hardware
today could handle all but the most extreme cases.

CB

On 9/8/10 6:08 PM, Matthew Johnson wrote:

hi,

I'll be using this for lectures, some language stuff, and also
possibly for recording music with logic or garage band down the line.
My concern is future proofing. Unfortunately, you can't get the 7200
rpm harddrives in the 13 inch mbp's or I'd just go duo with a better
harddrive.

Gotta love apple's packaged deal options, instead of letting you
configure your heart out.
MJ


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two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

[Daniel McGee]

hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.

1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to the 
Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from what I 
heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply but I 
don't know if that's the case still.
and 
2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an account 
for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom of the 
page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is there a 
voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for getting 
to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. I'm 
getting there people! lol 
Look forward for your responcives!
Thanks 
Daniel  

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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

[Ray Foret Jr]

No Firefox with Voice Over.

Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j.  Another way 
to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form fields.


Sincerely,
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On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
 
1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to the 
Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from what I 
heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply but I 
don't know if that's the case still.
and 
2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an account 
for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom of the 
page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is there a 
voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for getting 
to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. I'm 
getting there people! lol 
Look forward for your responcives!
Thanks 
Daniel  

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an interesting cnet news article

[Sarah Alawami]

iOS 4.2 turns iPad's screen lock into volume switch http://bit.ly/cyuFUN

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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

[Daniel McGee]

Hello Ray, thanks for your comments. I will continue to use  safari. Just as a 
matter of interest why doesn't firefox support Voiceover? Is it Apple side of 
things or Mozilla. And my second question I think you miss understood what I 
ment. I didn't mean form fields I ment the buttons on web pages. So for example 
when you go to google.com and I'm sorry to mention windows on this list forgive 
me if its off topic but its the only way to explain what I am wanting to do. 
Well useing Jaws or NVDA when you hit the letter b on the google page jaws at 
least says "google search" followed by the word button to indecate what it is. 
I hope I have made it more clear now as to what I want. Many Thanks for the VO 
J command I'll give it a try when I next use a Mac. The web item roter is the 
command for this VO Plus the letter U? Like I said all these ramdom keystrokes 
I have learnt from memory and am putting them into practice when I use the Mac 
at college. Also can this item roter  display the buttons that are currently on 
a page? 
Thanks 
Daniel 


From: Ray Foret Jr 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac


No Firefox with Voice Over. 


Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j.  Another way 
to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form fields.




Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
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On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:


hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.

1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to the 
Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from what I 
heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply but I 
don't know if that's the case still.
and 
2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an account 
for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom of the 
page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is there a 
voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for getting 
to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. I'm 
getting there people! lol 
Look forward for your responcives!
Thanks 
Daniel  


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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

[Teresa Cochran]

Actually you can move between controls on a webpage with VO-command-J and 
between headings with VO-command-H. There's L for links and f for frames, as 
well.

Teresa
On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> Hello Ray, thanks for your comments. I will continue to use  safari. Just as 
> a matter of interest why doesn't firefox support Voiceover? Is it Apple side 
> of things or Mozilla. And my second question I think you miss understood what 
> I ment. I didn't mean form fields I ment the buttons on web pages. So for 
> example when you go to google.com and I'm sorry to mention windows on this 
> list forgive me if its off topic but its the only way to explain what I am 
> wanting to do. Well useing Jaws or NVDA when you hit the letter b on the 
> google page jaws at least says "google search" followed by the word button to 
> indecate what it is. I hope I have made it more clear now as to what I want. 
> Many Thanks for the VO J command I'll give it a try when I next use a Mac. 
> The web item roter is the command for this VO Plus the letter U? Like I said 
> all these ramdom keystrokes I have learnt from memory and am putting them 
> into practice when I use the Mac at college. Also can this item roter  
> display the buttons that are currently on a page?
> Thanks
> Daniel 
> 
> From: Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac
> 
> No Firefox with Voice Over.
> 
> Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j.  Another 
> way to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form fields.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
> 
> hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
>  
> 1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
> point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
> thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to 
> the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from 
> what I heard before when I was on this list  is that  it doesn't work proaply 
> but I don't know if that's the case still.
> and 
> 2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
> account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom 
> of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is 
> there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
> learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for 
> getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. 
> I'm getting there people! lol 
> Look forward for your responcives!
> Thanks 
> Daniel  
> 
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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

[Chris Blouch]

 If you search this mailing list's archives you'll see multiple large 
threads on this topic. Last I heard it came down to Firefox wanting 
Apple to change their accessibility API to align more with what FF has 
already implemented for other platforms. Apple has not been interested. 
There is also some funding questions where companies have sponsored 
accessibility work for Firefox on other platforms (IBM in particular) 
but nobody has done this for the Mac yet, or at least not significantly.


CB

On 9/15/10 4:45 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
Hello Ray, thanks for your comments. I will continue to use  safari. 
Just as a matter of interest why doesn't firefox support Voiceover? Is 
it Apple side of things or Mozilla. And my second question I think you 
miss understood what I ment. I didn't mean form fields I ment the 
buttons on web pages. So for example when you go to google.com and I'm 
sorry to mention windows on this list forgive me if its off topic but 
its the only way to explain what I am wanting to do. Well useing 
Jaws or NVDA when you hit the letter b on the google page jaws at 
least says "google search" followed by the word button to indecate 
what it is. I hope I have made it more clear now as to what I want. 
Many Thanks for the VO J command I'll give it a try when I next use a 
Mac. The web item roter is the command for this VO Plus the letter U? 
Like I said all these ramdom keystrokes I have learnt from memory and 
am putting them into practice when I use the Mac at college. Also can 
this item roter  display the buttons that are currently on a page?

Thanks
Daniel

*From:* Ray Foret Jr 
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Subject:* Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

No Firefox with Voice Over.

Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j. 
 Another way to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form 
fields.



Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to 
the point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I 
ask thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all 
getting use to the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted 
were using  and from what I heard before when I was on this list  is 
that it doesn't work proaply but I don't know if that's the case still.

and
2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the 
bottom of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but 
my question is there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on 
a webpage? I have learned/memorised the heading one but I would like 
to know the one for getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask 
this list to help me out. I'm getting there people! lol

Look forward for your responcives!
Thanks
Daniel

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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

[Ray Foret Jr]

The reason Firefox will not work with Voice OVer is because Mozilla has not 
coded it for that yet.  

As for form fields, VO+command+j will get you directly both to form 
fields and form controls, as will the web item wroter.  I knew exactly what you 
really meant, and, VO+Option+j will move you quickly to each form field, button 
or control.  The web item roter is another way to get to all the same entry 
fields, buttons, pull down pop up buttons controls and all other types of form 
manipulations.  Just try it.


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A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
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On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

Hello Ray, thanks for your comments. I will continue to use  safari. Just as a 
matter of interest why doesn't firefox support Voiceover? Is it Apple side of 
things or Mozilla. And my second question I think you miss understood what I 
ment. I didn't mean form fields I ment the buttons on web pages. So for example 
when you go to google.com and I'm sorry to mention windows on this list forgive 
me if its off topic but its the only way to explain what I am wanting to do. 
Well useing Jaws or NVDA when you hit the letter b on the google page jaws at 
least says "google search" followed by the word button to indecate what it is. 
I hope I have made it more clear now as to what I want. Many Thanks for the VO 
J command I'll give it a try when I next use a Mac. The web item roter is the 
command for this VO Plus the letter U? Like I said all these ramdom keystrokes 
I have learnt from memory and am putting them into practice when I use the Mac 
at college. Also can this item roter  display the buttons that are currently on 
a page?
Thanks
Daniel 

From: Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

No Firefox with Voice Over.

Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j.  Another way 
to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form fields.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
 
1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to the 
Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from what I 
heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply but I 
don't know if that's the case still.
and 
2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an account 
for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom of the 
page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is there a 
voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for getting 
to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. I'm 
getting there people! lol 
Look forward for your responcives!
Thanks 
Daniel  

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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

[Chantel Cuddemi]

Daniel, 
As previously mentioned, firefox is inaccessible with voiceover at this time. 
To get to a button, you can hit vo i for the item chooser and hit bu for button 
or you can hit vo function j to go between forms on the page. 
On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
> 
> 1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
> point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
> thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to 
> the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from 
> what I heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply 
> but I don't know if that's the case still.
> and 
> 2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
> account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom 
> of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is 
> there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
> learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for 
> getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. 
> I'm getting there people! lol 
> Look forward for your responcives!
> Thanks 
> Daniel  
> 
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which is more accessible?

[joseph]

hello list members

which is more accessible? garage band or amadeuspro?  can i also use
my usb midi controler with the latter?

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Re: are there British US or Ostrailan male voices on ipods models/iphone with voiceover yet?

[Chris Moore]

I have the exact same problem.  And I have noticed since 4.0 upgrade that the 
VoiceOver voices are becoming more choppy.  The letter r cuts off so quick and 
sometimes H sounds like A.  I would much prefer some male english voices and am 
going to email Apple too.

Hopefully they might listen.

Chris 
On 15 Sep 2010, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote:

> Hello Courtney, many thanks for your responce. I would be very greatful if 
> you could send an email to ap...@accessibility.com and explain that you would 
> like this too in future versions of there I OSupdates. I have done so already 
> for the reason that I can simply understand the male voices over  the female 
> ones because of my hearing impairment  but the more people who let them know 
> then hopefully they will do it for us!
> Thanks
> Daniel 
> 
> From: Courtney Curran
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:52 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: are there British US or Ostrailan male voices on ipods 
> models/iphone with voiceover yet?
> 
> Hi,
> Unfortunately, there aren't any male voices for the Idevices. I wish there 
> were because they're just better coming out of the builtin Ipod Touch 
> speaker, I would suspect. I heard somewhere that Apple would probably 
> impliment more voice selections into future IOS versions.
> HTH,
> Courtney
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> 
> On Sep 13, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
> 
>> hello everyone, my Name is Daniel and I decided to join this list again 
>> after a while because before I was getting too many emails but now I'm back! 
>> But as my subject line says I was wondering for though's who use an ipod 
>> touch ipad or whatever apple product that has voiceover on it. Do you know 
>> if you have any male voices yet in it instead of the female voices that come 
>> with it. I ask this because a while ago I sent an email to apple 
>> accessabilty and got a responce saying that theywould forward it on the 
>> right people but haven't heard of anything since. The reason I want this 
>> because as well as being blind I have a hearing impairment too and have been 
>> since birth I wear hearing aids. I just can't understand the female voices 
>> with the products. So for thoughs who read this I would really be greatful 
>> if you could email ap...@accessibility.com and if your not hearing in pared 
>> I would still really be greatful if you could take the time for the bennifit 
>> of hearing in pared people plus being blind to   explain this sort of 
>> situation to them. I have sent them another email this morning UK time but 
>> as of yet I have had no news. Its one of the things that's stopping me 
>> getting another ipod touch and giving it another try! Honestly I find it so 
>> fustrating. 
>> Well I hope to hear from you all soon. 
>> Many Thanks and hope your all having a plesent day weather its morning, 
>> afternoon or evening!
>> Daniel  
>> 
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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

[Scott Granados]

How difficult is it to code an application to work effectively with VO?  I'm 
wondering what the mozilla hold up is?  Does it mean just compiling in some 
libraries or is there a great deal of work that has to take place?

Thanks
Scott

On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> The reason Firefox will not work with Voice OVer is because Mozilla has not 
> coded it for that yet.  
> 
>   As for form fields, VO+command+j will get you directly both to form 
> fields and form controls, as will the web item wroter.  I knew exactly what 
> you really meant, and, VO+Option+j will move you quickly to each form field, 
> button or control.  The web item roter is another way to get to all the same 
> entry fields, buttons, pull down pop up buttons controls and all other types 
> of form manipulations.  Just try it.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
> 
> Hello Ray, thanks for your comments. I will continue to use  safari. Just as 
> a matter of interest why doesn't firefox support Voiceover? Is it Apple side 
> of things or Mozilla. And my second question I think you miss understood what 
> I ment. I didn't mean form fields I ment the buttons on web pages. So for 
> example when you go to google.com and I'm sorry to mention windows on this 
> list forgive me if its off topic but its the only way to explain what I am 
> wanting to do. Well useing Jaws or NVDA when you hit the letter b on the 
> google page jaws at least says "google search" followed by the word button to 
> indecate what it is. I hope I have made it more clear now as to what I want. 
> Many Thanks for the VO J command I'll give it a try when I next use a Mac. 
> The web item roter is the command for this VO Plus the letter U? Like I said 
> all these ramdom keystrokes I have learnt from memory and am putting them 
> into practice when I use the Mac at college. Also can this item roter  
> display the buttons that are currently on a page?
> Thanks
> Daniel 
> 
> From: Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac
> 
> No Firefox with Voice Over.
> 
> Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j.  Another 
> way to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form fields.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
> 
> hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
>  
> 1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
> point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
> thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to 
> the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from 
> what I heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply 
> but I don't know if that's the case still.
> and 
> 2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
> account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom 
> of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is 
> there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
> learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for 
> getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. 
> I'm getting there people! lol 
> Look forward for your responcives!
> Thanks 
> Daniel  
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Re: which is more accessible?

[Daniel Rowe]

Hi.
Amadeus Pro can't record midi.

Dannie

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> hello list members
> 
> which is more accessible? garage band or amadeuspro?  can i also use
> my usb midi controler with the latter?
> 
> best
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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

Last I checked, firefox doesn't work at all. You can press VO command j to move 
t the next control, this will move you through all controls though, not just 
buttons.
On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
>  
> 1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
> point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
> thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to 
> the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from 
> what I heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply 
> but I don't know if that's the case still.
> and 
> 2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
> account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom 
> of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is 
> there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
> learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for 
> getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. 
> I'm getting there people! lol 
> Look forward for your responcives!
> Thanks 
> Daniel  
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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

[Gary]

use the web item rotor and press b for buttons.

On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
>  
> 1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
> point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
> thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to 
> the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from 
> what I heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply 
> but I don't know if that's the case still.
> and 
> 2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
> account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom 
> of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is 
> there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
> learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for 
> getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. 
> I'm getting there people! lol 
> Look forward for your responcives!
> Thanks 
> Daniel  
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Re: RS games client not working, help please?

[patricia solis]

Thanks for that. Now the shift and arrows work for me as well.
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Re: RS games client not working, help please?

[johns.kary]

Hi guys,
Thanks for the shift  and arrow tip.
My problem before was I hadn't added it to my applications  folder.
Every things working grate now.
Thanks again.
Kari.
On 16/09/2010, at 2:51 AM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> I press shift along with my arrow keys and it works fine for me.
> HTH,
> Courtney
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> On Sep 15, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
> 
>> did you try plain arrowing around? it uses the system voice and no vo stuff 
>> so it's hard to get used to. 
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, johns.kary wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> Can someone give me a hand with the RS games client?
>>> 
>>> I've downloaded the mac client from 
>>> http://www.x-sight-interactive.net/rsgames/
>>> 
>>> I've used command O to open the DMG file, and vo space to enter the RS 
>>> client.
>>> When it opens all it says is RS has no windows.
>>> I've looked through the website, and googled and cant find any answers.
>>> Am I missing something obvious hear?
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Kari.
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Re: which is more accessible?

[Allison Manzino]

Hi all,

Amadues Pro can't record Midi oh wow I didn't know that. Even if you set the 
usb controller as the source in preferences? I was thinking about purchasing a 
midi controller to use with amadues pro, so this is why I'm asking. THank you 
for any assistance. Have a great day!

Allison

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> hello list members
> 
> which is more accessible? garage band or amadeuspro?  can i also use
> my usb midi controler with the latter?
> 
> best
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Re: duo core or i5 in mbp

[Ricardo Walker]

I have a juno G,  great machine.  Especially if you expand the ram.
On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> My old Ensoniq ESQ1 has been replaced by a Roland Juno-G but the ESQ1 is 
> still in the basement somewhere. Weighs about 30-40 pounds so it wasn't fun 
> lugging around. I remember having a lot of fun with a Yamaha DX7 in the early 
> 80s making lots of interesting but not do musical sounds with it. Now days 
> there are kids and family life outside of work so not much noodling with macs 
> and music.
> 
> I still have some old PowerMac 9500s that I use for firewalls of all things 
> since they have no command line to hack into. As one dies I just grab another 
> from the pile.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 9/13/10 7:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Speaking of old Mac gear, I know the Synclavier has been reworked around 
>> Modern Intel Macs now.  I wonder if you could grab an old post pro SD or 
>> 9600 from Ebay and use it with Voice over.  I saw one from Lucass Film on 
>> ebay for under 10 grand and I think you can get one from synclavier.com for 
>> under 25 grand which might osund like a lot but they were 750 large back in 
>> the day.
>> 
>> 
>> I used to work with one (synclavier 6400) and loved it!
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> Right, this was just straight audio recording. Any processing was done with 
>>> outboard gear or post processed. Software synths and effects can definitely 
>>> chew up a lot of CPU. While I haven't played with this a lot I would assume 
>>> rendering out the processed track to a new track would free up some 
>>> resources. Back then we had a 32-channel analog Mackie fed into a Mac 
>>> ProTools rig. At home I was running a little MOTU 8-channel firewire box 
>>> with their Sound Desk software. Haven't played with it in years so I don't 
>>> know if they even make it anymore or if it would work with OSX. Someday I 
>>> should put the stuff I don't use up on ebay, just too much bother and would 
>>> anyone still want a Emu Proteus MIDI box or a DAT recorder anymore :)
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 9/13/10 5:02 PM, Cameron wrote:
 Hi.  it depends on what sort of recording we're referring to; If we are
 talking about audio tracks, or, soft synths/virtual instruments that use
 wave streaming etc.  the latter is where your processor and ram as well as
 hd rpm really become important.
 
 Are you a voiceover user by the way?  If so, the current versions of logic
 are not accessible.  Pro tools is accessible for audio, but not for midi.
 For example, the event list editor is not accessible with vo.  Hopefully
 that will be addressed in a future update.
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
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 Subject: Re: duo core or i5 in mbp
 
   Back in the day, like 10 years ago, I was able to record 8 concurrent
 tracks on an old powerMac g4. I would suspect even mundane hardware
 today could handle all but the most extreme cases.
 
 CB
 
 On 9/8/10 6:08 PM, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> hi,
> 
> I'll be using this for lectures, some language stuff, and also
> possibly for recording music with logic or garage band down the line.
> My concern is future proofing. Unfortunately, you can't get the 7200
> rpm harddrives in the 13 inch mbp's or I'd just go duo with a better
> harddrive.
> 
> Gotta love apple's packaged deal options, instead of letting you
> configure your heart out.
> MJ
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Re: which is more accessible?

[Ricardo Walker]

hi,

>From what I have seen, 1 isn't more accessible than the other.  They both do 
>different things.  It depends on what you want to do.
On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:

> hello list members
> 
> which is more accessible? garage band or amadeuspro?  can i also use
> my usb midi controler with the latter?
> 
> best
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Re: which is more accessible?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

No.  It's a audio editor.  I don't see how a control surface would make a 
difference.
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:29 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Amadues Pro can't record Midi oh wow I didn't know that. Even if you set the 
> usb controller as the source in preferences? I was thinking about purchasing 
> a midi controller to use with amadues pro, so this is why I'm asking. THank 
> you for any assistance. Have a great day!
> 
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:
> 
>> hello list members
>> 
>> which is more accessible? garage band or amadeuspro?  can i also use
>> my usb midi controler with the latter?
>> 
>> best
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