iphoto and voiceover

[roberto burceni]

Hi all, I have a macbook Pro with  snow leopard.
I would like to know if there is a manner to view the events in iphoto and 
rename that.
I configuret iphoto to divide the events by day. Unfortunately I don't figure 
otu how to view these events.
Have you  some ideas?
Thanks 

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RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

[Simon Fogarty]

Isaac,

 

They're not apple stores as you know them but they are apple dealers.
Selling apple products and accessories nothing much in the way of pc /
windows based systems.

If I need anything major then they can get it but it's always a delay.

 

We're only a country of 4 million. So we probably don't rate on the apple
radar as such. But we're close enough to austrailia to piggy back on their
stock buying.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Isaac Obie
Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2010 11:07 p.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Hi simon,

It's been said on list that numbers is the exquivalent to excell or
something to that affect. so yes, numbers works with VO.

I wonder if any of those Apple dealers have any kind of setup like the Apple
store? Perhaps we're spoiled in America with all that exposure, but then
it's an American company..

Isaac

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From: Simon Fogarty   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:13 AM

Subject: RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Apple store, wow, that would be a great Idea. I think the closest apple
store to me is in brisbaine austrailia, about 3 hours flying time from here.


We have a couple of apple dealers or stores that sell apple products, but no
apple stores.

 

As for checking out the device, I purchased one and have been using it for
everything else, but I'd like to have acces to word processing and spred
sheets if possible.

I wondered how accessible numbers was with vo? Has anyone tried it?

 

And thanks for the thought, but it's just not possible.

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Isaac Obie
Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 11:19 p.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Hi Simon,

Is it convenient for you to get to an Apple store near where you live? they
have a "genius bar" where they can answer all your questions. You can even
make appointments to see the equipment before buying. I plan to check this
out before I decide to buy an iphone.

Isaac

- Original Message - 

From: Simon Fogarty   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:41 AM

Subject: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Hi team,

What word processors and spredsheet programs are available for  the iPad?

 

And are they usable with voice over?

 

Cheers 

 

Simon f

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RE: blue tooth on iPad

[Simon Fogarty]

Don't think so, it just seems that the blue ant isn't seen by the ipad.  And
it's only 6 months old the blue ant,


So can only assume that they aren't going to play nice. The v1 works fine on
my nokia n86 and a nokia n82. 

 Still some playing to be had.
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Isaac Obie
Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2010 11:12 p.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blue tooth on iPad

Simon,
Could it be the connections? Sometimes trying to connect these things can be
a bear! I've seen connections for some computers that were so delicate, I
wondered why they even bothered to go there especially considering how
expensive that equipment is.
Isaac
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From: "Simon Fogarty" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:19 AM
Subject: RE: blue tooth on iPad


> I'm after a blue tooth headset ha t only goes on one ear. That allows 
> me to listen and walk at the same time as well as listening to my 
> environment as well.
>
> But for some reasn the blueant v1 doesn't work on the iPad or at least 
> in ios 3.2.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lane
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 5:31 a.m.
> To: MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: blue tooth on iPad
>
> Hi, Yeh the iPad and iPhone 4 use a micro SIM, everything else in the 
> world uses mini SIM.  They are exactly the same internal configuration 
> but the micro loses the plastic surround making it considerably 
> smaller. If you are daring enough you can cut any mini SIM down to 
> micro SIM size.  Anyway to answer the question about bluetooth, I use 
> a Nokia BH905.  Its a headset style over the head arrangement and 
> supports A2DP and AVRC as well as standard headset protocols.  Its a 
> really nice headset with noise cancelling, a beautiful design and 
> feels very solid.  Unfortunately the iPhone and iPad don't support 
> AVRC for remote control of play/pause/forward/backward. which is a 
> pain but the biggest issue on the iPhone iPad and iPod is the 
> resolution of the bluetooth protocol.  It hasn't been complained about 
> very much so I asume that most people don't notice.
> I
> don't have any measurements but i'd guess A2DP on the i devices is 
> limitted to only 12KHz, maybe 16 but certainly not 22 or 44.  Music 
> through all bluetooth headphones that I've heard is tinny and limited 
> in trebble.
> It isn't a limitation of the bluetooth protocol as if I pair them with 
> my Nokia N86 or N95 they sound spectacular.  I was really hoping Apple 
> would address this issue in IOS 4 but I guess they haven't had enough 
> complaints about it yet.  Its very annoying though as I have a 
> beautiful sounding headset crippled by apples drivers.  In summary 
> though the BH905 will do exactly what you want, they are solid and 
> sound wonderful as long as you don't mind losing a little trebble.
>
> Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi Mac people,
>>
>>
>>
>> I've just splashed out and got the iPad,  great toy after shaving a 
>> sim card down to fit the micro slot, and being able to get internet 
>> access outside of my work and home.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, I have a Bluetooth headset, a blue ant V1, but the iPad wont 
>> pick up on it when trying to pair them both.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is this normal, I would have thought the blue ant devices were pretty 
>> common devices.
>>
>>
>>
>> If this one wont work, is there anything that is recommended for the 
>> Bluetooth connectivity on the iPad?
>>
>> I want to be able to skype from it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon f
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RE: blue tooth on iPad

[Simon Fogarty]

Sim cards. Not sd cards.

 

Sim cards for iphones or ipads are micro simws.

 

But I cut mine down to a micro size which worked really well so far.

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman
Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 9:39 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blue tooth on iPad

 

ok i am confused  are you talkig about the phone sim card used to authorize
the phone  or are you talking about an sd data card like you woul duse on an
mp3 player

On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:





Standard 256k sim card,  the circuits on the sims are a lot larger config,
but if you cut carefully then you can get them to the same size and it works
fine.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman
Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 4:53 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blue tooth on iPad

 

you shaved your sd card down to fit the slot? what kind of card IS it
supposed to use. I didn't thinkt hat micro or other formats used the same
pin  configuration

 

On Jul 26, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:






Hi Mac people,

 

I've just splashed out and got the iPad,  great toy after shaving a sim card
down to fit the micro slot, and being able to get internet access outside of
my work and home.

 

However, I have a Bluetooth headset, a blue ant V1, but the iPad wont pick
up on it when trying to pair them both.

 

Is this normal, I would have thought the blue ant devices were pretty common
devices.

 

If this one wont work, is there anything that is recommended for the
Bluetooth connectivity on the iPad?

I want to be able to skype from it.

 

Cheers

 

Simon f

 

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Re: Tornado warning! (get away from windows)

[Samuel]

Now I'm interested in the text-to-mp3 thing in iTunes. I did a quick
help search and nothing came up.

To whoever suggested that I may ha a problem with DNS. Is there a way
to fix that? (and please, don't tell me to google "dns". I hate it
when people do that.

On Jul 28, 8:14 pm, Chris Moore  wrote:
> Are the infovox voices no good?  Also iPal from Humanware is coming to the 
> Mac in September if it is a OCR reading solution you are after.
> On 29 Jul 2010, at 01:43, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Samuel,
>
> > Running Windows on a Mac doesn't defeat the purpose of buying a Mac. Apple 
> > encourages, albeit in a round-about way, people to run Windows on their 
> > Macs. This is why Apple made BootCamp in the first place.
>
> > Having said that, I'm not aware of any comparable product to K-1000 running 
> > on a Mac. I used to have two computers until my PC died recently. Once my 
> > iMac is set-up, I'll be installing Windows on it so I can run K-1000 and a 
> > few other PC specific programs for my work.
>
> > I tried the website in my Safari and it loaded in about 2 seconds. Perhaps 
> > you've got some type of DNS resolving issue, but this is speculation on my 
> > part as I'm not familiar with how your system is set-up.
>
> > Someone else can speak to the quality of Spanish voices, I'm sure.
>
> > Hope this helps.
> > Kevin
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Re: Tornado warning! (get away from windows)

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

You might want to try the Spanish voices from Acapela. Assistiveware made them 
for Mac OS X, referred to as Infovox iVox. You can check their site here:
http://assistiveware.com/voicedownload.php

That should be a direct link to the download page, as well as previews of the 
various voices. They sound pretty good, in my opinion, even when using the 
Spanish ones. If it does not take you there, simply go to
http://www.assistiveware.com
Click Infovox iVox, then Download. Don't get confused here. I don't mean 
"Downloads" but "Download". Of course, you can get to this through the main 
downloads link as well, however.

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On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> Hi Samuel,
> 
> Running Windows on a Mac doesn't defeat the purpose of buying a Mac. Apple 
> encourages, albeit in a round-about way, people to run Windows on their Macs. 
> This is why Apple made BootCamp in the first place.
> 
> Having said that, I'm not aware of any comparable product to K-1000 running 
> on a Mac. I used to have two computers until my PC died recently. Once my 
> iMac is set-up, I'll be installing Windows on it so I can run K-1000 and a 
> few other PC specific programs for my work.
> 
> I tried the website in my Safari and it loaded in about 2 seconds. Perhaps 
> you've got some type of DNS resolving issue, but this is speculation on my 
> part as I'm not familiar with how your system is set-up.
> 
> Someone else can speak to the quality of Spanish voices, I'm sure.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Kevin
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Re: using a hard drive for multiple back ups?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Sarah,

No, I have done this and there were no issues.  (including doing a
restore.)  My wife's computer generally does not have time machine on
it, but before  doing a maintenace I was able to save everything and
then restore it.  Also, when my daughter went to college I was able to
migrate just her user account from the time machine backup onto her
college computer.

Chris,  I believe that a disk sparse image is actually a package with
several files hidden in one directory.  I had read an article that
using sparse disk images is a good way to keep some materials on your
computer more secure.  You can set an encription for the sparse disk
image.  But since it is actually several files under the hood,
TimeMachine can just backup the sectors that changed rather then the
entire image.

Best regards,

jon


On 28/07/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> What if you hook your time capsul to someone else's computer and run time
> machine on there's? will you loose your  back up?
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>> A time machine backup will live in the folder Backups.backupdb when
>> backups are run locally. When run over a network Time Machine creates a
>> disk image called ComputerName.sparseimage which seems to be one giant
>> file.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> I am fairly certain that Time Machine places all the backup
>>> information into a very specific directory on your back-up  drive.  If
>>> this is the case, and if this directory does not exist on your Primary
>>> disk then you should be OK.
>>>
>>> I know that Carbon Copy can co-exist if it is run first.  Perhaps you
>>> want to get a coppy of the take Control book on backups.  Take control
>>> books are 50% off this week.
>>>
>>> (Read the instructions in Tidbits.com for how to get the discount).
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> [And no, I get no kickbacks from the Tidbits /  Take Control  group, I
>>> have just found them always to be useful and current]
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21/07/2010, Chris Blouch
>>> 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 I didn't see any replies to this yet. I haven't used carbon copy cloner.
 Does it make it's backup into a single file? If so you could probably
 store that on the 1TB drive. That said, Time Machine's backup folder
 simply stores incremental backups until it fills up the volume and then
 starts deleting the oldest backups. So sooner or later that volume will
 fill up. I just put a 2TB drive in my other machine for TM backups and
 partitioned it into two 500GB volumes and a 1TB volume. The two 500s I
 use for two time machine backups, my laptop over the network and the
 local machine. Then the 1TB volume is just for general use. That seems
 to work well. I haven't done enough re-partitioning to know if you can
 resize or  not without losing data. Even if you did, you could just run
 another time machine backup after you're done. Chances of failure of
 your machine at the same time that you're reconfiguring backups is
 pretty small. Because everything should just be files on the backup
 volume you shouldn't have anything stepping on anything.

 CB

 Mary Otten wrote:


> Hi all,
> I have a 1 tb hard drive which is being used by time machine. But I
> would
> also really like to have a bootable back up, and I know TM does not do
> this. I have carbon copy cloneer, which will make bootable back ups.
> Question is, and perhaps its a stupid one, are the applications smart
> enough not to step on each others data? If the drive were partitioned,
> that would be an obvious way to solve the problem. But it isn't, and
> I've
> got several months worth of time machine backups on it already, so
> should
> think partitioning at this time would not be possible without data
> loss.
> is that correct?
> Mary
>
>
>
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RE: screen curtain

[RvR]

Don't know about the Mini's, I am more interested in the iMACS. 
But I think as long as a monitor is connected to the Mini it don't matter if
its turned off or on. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
Cheers,
Ronald
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] Namens Sarah Alawami
Verzonden: woensdag 28 juli 2010 22:16
Aan: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: screen curtain

I don't know anything about the monitors but can you not hit the on off
switch for your mac mini's monitor? or will that confuse vo?
On Jul 28, 2010, at 10:41 AM, RvR wrote:

> Hi,
> That would be the ideal solution, however on iMacs it isn't possible 
> to turn the screen completely off. Unless someone knows otherwise. 
> Please pretty please... smile Best, Ronald
> 
> 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] Namens Sarah Alawami
> Verzonden: woensdag 28 juli 2010 19:08
> Aan: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: screen curtain
> 
> and Plus whenthe screen curtainis on you still see a curser so yeah 
> turnng off the desplay is better.
> 
> S
> On Jul 25, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> For saving the battery, rather than using the screen curtain, I would 
>> turn
> the display brightness all the way down to 0, that will totally turn 
> off the screen lighting.
>> On Jul 25, 2010, at 4:20 PM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello!
>>> 
>>> I enable my screen curtain because A: I don't like people being able 
>>> to
> look over my shoulder while I'm using my computer, and B: I assume 
> that it saves a bit of battery power.  However, I was under the 
> impression that the screen curtain would behave like it does on the 
> IPhone and reactivate whenever I turn on voiceover or my computer. 
> Should this in fact be the case? Or is it normal to have to restart 
> the screen curtain each time you restart voiceover/the computer?
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for all the help.
>>> 
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mail navigation questions

[Scott E. Ford]

Hello everyone,
Sincerely,
Scott   I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit of 
trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though.  I would 
like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the newest messages 
are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot seem to figure out how to 
get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn key and arrow keys does not seem 
to work for going to the end and page down.  I am using Gmail and I cannot seem 
to get a grasp on how to delete messages.  I love the fact that I can just hit 
the backspace key and it goes away, however this does not seem to truly delete 
the message, even if I purge the messages.  Would someone have an explination?  
Finally I cannot efficiently use the spell checker.  Could someone help me with 
these questions, or direct me to a tutorial that may explane how to work 
through my questions?

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suitable speakers?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Apologies if slightly OT, but I have a question that I reckon people on this
list will have an answer for.

I need a pair of very high quality speakers which can be used with my
Macbook pro, or indeed with the iPhone.  However, they need to be
(relatively) portable.  This arose because of a presentation I made  in
Vienna a few weeks ago, and I was unable to play some auditory examples,
which would have illustrated a new way of presenting mathematics.  I have
some more such presentations coming up, and would therefore appreciate help.

Cheers,

Dónal

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Re: suitable speakers?

[Barry Hadder]

I highly recommend the Cambridge Soundworks model twelve: 
http://store.cambridgesoundworks.com/Model-Twelve-Transportable-System/M/B0002DURV2.htm.
I'm using it with my Macbook.
Very portable and sounds incredible.  A little pricy, but well worth it.

On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Apologies if slightly OT, but I have a question that I reckon people on this
> list will have an answer for.
> 
> I need a pair of very high quality speakers which can be used with my
> Macbook pro, or indeed with the iPhone.  However, they need to be
> (relatively) portable.  This arose because of a presentation I made  in
> Vienna a few weeks ago, and I was unable to play some auditory examples,
> which would have illustrated a new way of presenting mathematics.  I have
> some more such presentations coming up, and would therefore appreciate help.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
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Re: suitable speakers?

[Chris Moore]

Altec Langsung do lovely speakers too.
On 29 Jul 2010, at 18:18, Barry Hadder wrote:

> I highly recommend the Cambridge Soundworks model twelve: 
> http://store.cambridgesoundworks.com/Model-Twelve-Transportable-System/M/B0002DURV2.htm.
> I'm using it with my Macbook.
> Very portable and sounds incredible.  A little pricy, but well worth it.
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Apologies if slightly OT, but I have a question that I reckon people on this
>> list will have an answer for.
>> 
>> I need a pair of very high quality speakers which can be used with my
>> Macbook pro, or indeed with the iPhone.  However, they need to be
>> (relatively) portable.  This arose because of a presentation I made  in
>> Vienna a few weeks ago, and I was unable to play some auditory examples,
>> which would have illustrated a new way of presenting mathematics.  I have
>> some more such presentations coming up, and would therefore appreciate help.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> 
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Re: Tornado warning! (get away from windows)

[Sarah Alawami]

I can't help you with the dns issue but here is a message from another list of 
how to convert text to mp3 or what not in itunes.


There are two ways to get text into audio.

in terminal, type "man say" without the quotes and press enter.  I say this 
because it has some different stuff you can do with it like specifying the file 
format and the voice you want.  the file you use for input must be in plain 
text however.

The second method uses alex only and converts to an itunes track but you can 
easily convert this to mp3.

to convert a file, open the app of choice such as preview, text edit or pages, 
this is usually done by opening the file and letting the system choose the app 
to open it with and we can talk about what to do if you don't like the default.

once the file is opened, press command-a to select the text in the file, press 
controlll-f2 or controll-option-m to focus on the menu bar.  move right to the 
application menu, it will say text edit if you are in text edit for instance.  
press down arrow to move to the "services submenu". right arrow and if you find 
a send to itunes as a spoken track, press enter.  if not, press enter on 
"services preferences" this brings up system preferences and lands you in the 
keyboard shortcuts menu.  tab to categories and down arrow to services, tab and 
you will be in a list of services. down arrow to the item for "ad to itunes as 
a spoken track" and hit the space bar to select it.  Press command-q to close 
system preferences.  Now, back to services, move to the app window as above, 
move down to services, right arrow and press enter on ad to itunes as a spoken 
track.  Itunes will ope and begin playing your track after a period of time 
depending on the size of the file you fed it.

To convert the file to mp3 once it is in itunes, press command-comma and in the 
general tab, go to import settings, press space on this and choose mp3 encoder 
from the pop up, customize it any way you like and click ok.  press command-w 
to close the preferences window.

press controll-f2 or vo-m to focus on the menu bar, left arrow to advanced 
because it is closer to the left end, down arrow to convert to "create mp3 
version" (it will not appear in the list if you don't configure the prefference 
for it) above and press enter.  once the file is converted, you can find it on 
your hard drive burried deep in your home folder somewhere like this:
users/your name/music/itunes/itunesmedia/music/unknown album/text to speech.mp3.
or you can look for spoken text in the sources as a playlist.  I'd tag this so 
it is easier to find on the hd if you wanna say put it on your stream or other 
mp3 player.

note: I should hadd here to change the rate of speaking at the top of your file 
put this

[[rate xxx]] where xxx is the number of words per minute. so for example

[[rate 300]] would read the file at 300 words per minute.

Hope that helps.


On Jul 29, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Samuel wrote:

> Now I'm interested in the text-to-mp3 thing in iTunes. I did a quick
> help search and nothing came up.
> 
> To whoever suggested that I may ha a problem with DNS. Is there a way
> to fix that? (and please, don't tell me to google "dns". I hate it
> when people do that.
> 
> On Jul 28, 8:14 pm, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> Are the infovox voices no good?  Also iPal from Humanware is coming to the 
>> Mac in September if it is a OCR reading solution you are after.
>> On 29 Jul 2010, at 01:43, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Samuel,
>> 
>>> Running Windows on a Mac doesn't defeat the purpose of buying a Mac. Apple 
>>> encourages, albeit in a round-about way, people to run Windows on their 
>>> Macs. This is why Apple made BootCamp in the first place.
>> 
>>> Having said that, I'm not aware of any comparable product to K-1000 running 
>>> on a Mac. I used to have two computers until my PC died recently. Once my 
>>> iMac is set-up, I'll be installing Windows on it so I can run K-1000 and a 
>>> few other PC specific programs for my work.
>> 
>>> I tried the website in my Safari and it loaded in about 2 seconds. Perhaps 
>>> you've got some type of DNS resolving issue, but this is speculation on my 
>>> part as I'm not familiar with how your system is set-up.
>> 
>>> Someone else can speak to the quality of Spanish voices, I'm sure.
>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Kevin
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Re: suitable speakers?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Cheers Barry.  I'm having difficulty tracking them down this side of the pond, 
but will persevere.

Dónal
On 29 Jul 2010, at 18:18, Barry Hadder wrote:

> I highly recommend the Cambridge Soundworks model twelve: 
> http://store.cambridgesoundworks.com/Model-Twelve-Transportable-System/M/B0002DURV2.htm.
> I'm using it with my Macbook.
> Very portable and sounds incredible.  A little pricy, but well worth it.
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Apologies if slightly OT, but I have a question that I reckon people on this
>> list will have an answer for.
>> 
>> I need a pair of very high quality speakers which can be used with my
>> Macbook pro, or indeed with the iPhone.  However, they need to be
>> (relatively) portable.  This arose because of a presentation I made  in
>> Vienna a few weeks ago, and I was unable to play some auditory examples,
>> which would have illustrated a new way of presenting mathematics.  I have
>> some more such presentations coming up, and would therefore appreciate help.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> 
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Re: iphoto and voiceover

[Sarah Alawami]

I'm wondering the same thing actually. actually I'm looking to export the pics 
from my iphone and have them not be named image_001.jpeg. but I can't figure 
out how to edit them before I export them to the folder I want. lol!

using snl and the latest iphoto which had an update a few days ago.

Thanks all.
On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:27 AM, roberto burceni wrote:

> Hi all, I have a macbook Pro with  snow leopard.
> I would like to know if there is a manner to view the events in iphoto and 
> rename that.
> I configuret iphoto to divide the events by day. Unfortunately I don't figure 
> otu how to view these events.
> Have you  some ideas?
> Thanks 
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Re: mail navigation questions

[Linda Adams]

Scott,

To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to the 
date column and press VO shift backslash.

To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the left 
arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right arrow.

I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the Gmail web 
site, but it doesn't.

HTH,
Linda

On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> Sincerely,
> Scott I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit of 
> trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though.  I 
> would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the newest 
> messages are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot seem to figure 
> out how to get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn key and arrow keys 
> does not seem to work for going to the end and page down.  I am using Gmail 
> and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to delete messages.  I love the fact 
> that I can just hit the backspace key and it goes away, however this does not 
> seem to truly delete the message, even if I purge the messages.  Would 
> someone have an explination?  Finally I cannot efficiently use the spell 
> checker.  Could someone help me with these questions, or direct me to a 
> tutorial that may explane how to work through my questions?
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Braille Translation Software.

[Jesse Bollinger]

Hi all,

Does anyone know of some software to convert text to braille on the mac?

Thanks,

Jesse

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Re: mail navigation questions

[Scott E. Ford]

Thank you so much Linda,
Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I 
discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get rid of 
that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or get rid of the pain?  
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Scott
On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to the 
> date column and press VO shift backslash.
> 
> To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the left 
> arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right arrow.
> 
> I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the Gmail 
> web site, but it doesn't.
> 
> HTH,
> Linda
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> Sincerely,
>> ScottI really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit 
>> of trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though.  I 
>> would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the newest 
>> messages are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot seem to 
>> figure out how to get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn key and 
>> arrow keys does not seem to work for going to the end and page down.  I am 
>> using Gmail and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to delete messages.  I 
>> love the fact that I can just hit the backspace key and it goes away, 
>> however this does not seem to truly delete the message, even if I purge the 
>> messages.  Would someone have an explination?  Finally I cannot efficiently 
>> use the spell checker.  Could someone help me with these questions, or 
>> direct me to a tutorial that may explane how to work through my questions?
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Re: mail navigation questions

[Linda Adams]

Scott,

I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for removing the 
preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and helpful contributor to this 
list.

Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
Double click with the physical mouse.

I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need directions on 
this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else will step up to the plate.

Linda

On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:

> Thank you so much Linda,
>   Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I 
> discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get rid of 
> that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or get rid of the pain?  
> Thank you.
> Sincerely,
> Scott
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to the 
>> date column and press VO shift backslash.
>> 
>> To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the left 
>> arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right arrow.
>> 
>> I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the Gmail 
>> web site, but it doesn't.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Linda
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Scott   I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit 
>>> of trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though.  I 
>>> would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the newest 
>>> messages are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot seem to 
>>> figure out how to get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn key and 
>>> arrow keys does not seem to work for going to the end and page down.  I am 
>>> using Gmail and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to delete messages.  I 
>>> love the fact that I can just hit the backspace key and it goes away, 
>>> however this does not seem to truly delete the message, even if I purge the 
>>> messages.  Would someone have an explination?  Finally I cannot efficiently 
>>> use the spell checker.  Could someone help me with these questions, or 
>>> direct me to a tutorial that may explane how to work through my questions?
>>> 
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Thoughts on Magic Trackpad

[Daniel Rowe]

Hi all.
I took the plunge yesterday and bought the magic trackpad.
i've only used Vo with multi-touch trackpads briefly before as I have an iMac. 
But because I use the iPhone I could see the benefits such an interface would 
bring to Mac OS.

Having spent nearly two days with the trackpad, I personally thing that it is 
the best thing to happen in assistive technology recently.  To be able to 
visualise how things are laid out on the screen is just amazing.  It's larger 
size  is also an advantage.  It has really changed the way how I use my Mac and 
I won't be going back to using the numpad commander unless I have to.

Dannie

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Re: Tornado warning! (get away from windows)

[Doug Lawlor]

www.rae.es is working for me here as well. 

Doug

On 2010-07-28, at 10:36 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> I just tried to load:
> 
> www.rae.es
> 
> and it came up for me very quickly.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Samuel wrote:
> 
>> I have a state-issue pc running windows 7, but I switched to the mac
>> this January so I could stop worrying about upgrading jaws, but I
>> can't seem to get away from windows completely. This is disappointing.
>> I really just want one computer. I know I can run windows on a  mac,
>> but that would completely defeat the purpose of me buying one. I'm
>> having two major problems
>> 
>> 1) I occasionally use kurzweil 1000, and I really wish i could find a
>> suitable replacement for mac that does all the stuff the the K1000
>> does.
>> 
>> 2) My internet experience with safari (as well as other browsers on
>> the Mac) has, upon reflection, been rather poor. I realize that flash
>> doesn't work as well on a mac, and that's ok. My problem is that sites
>> simply don't load very fast. I have other computers in my home that
>> load sites very quickly. Sometimes I will wait 30 seconds only for the
>> "safari can't load website" message, but when I try again, the page
>> loads. One site in particular (www.rae.es) won't load AT ALL, no
>> matter if I clear the cache, reset safari, or even use other browsers
>> on the mac. This same site loads problem free on my pc using the same
>> connection. When I try to get there on my mac, I just get the search
>> suggestions page from my ISP. accessing this site is indispensable for
>> my education.
>> 
>> I'm also having trouble finding high-quality, cheap Spanish voices. I
>> know Cepstral makes some, but I don't like them.
>> 
>> any suggestions.
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Re: Tornado warning! (get away from windows)

[Maurice Mines]

Hello, first of all please please please please change the subject line. I 
actually have my e-mail somewhat set to see these things. As it is tornado 
warning season here in this part of the country a.k.a. the United States. To 
running Windows in a virtual machine I have successfully been able to run 
Kurzweil 1000 without problems. So it is doable you do not I think need to go 
find iMac option. Because everything I've read about the Mac options for doing 
this is complicated, confusing, and not to mention expensive at best. Just my 
three cents worth. Hope your day is going well. PS I really wish it would rain 
here is just way too hot, and somewhat humid for Colorado.
On Jul 29, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> www.rae.es is working for me here as well. 
> 
> Doug
> 
> On 2010-07-28, at 10:36 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> I just tried to load:
>> 
>> www.rae.es
>> 
>> and it came up for me very quickly.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> E-Mail:
>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Samuel wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a state-issue pc running windows 7, but I switched to the mac
>>> this January so I could stop worrying about upgrading jaws, but I
>>> can't seem to get away from windows completely. This is disappointing.
>>> I really just want one computer. I know I can run windows on a  mac,
>>> but that would completely defeat the purpose of me buying one. I'm
>>> having two major problems
>>> 
>>> 1) I occasionally use kurzweil 1000, and I really wish i could find a
>>> suitable replacement for mac that does all the stuff the the K1000
>>> does.
>>> 
>>> 2) My internet experience with safari (as well as other browsers on
>>> the Mac) has, upon reflection, been rather poor. I realize that flash
>>> doesn't work as well on a mac, and that's ok. My problem is that sites
>>> simply don't load very fast. I have other computers in my home that
>>> load sites very quickly. Sometimes I will wait 30 seconds only for the
>>> "safari can't load website" message, but when I try again, the page
>>> loads. One site in particular (www.rae.es) won't load AT ALL, no
>>> matter if I clear the cache, reset safari, or even use other browsers
>>> on the mac. This same site loads problem free on my pc using the same
>>> connection. When I try to get there on my mac, I just get the search
>>> suggestions page from my ISP. accessing this site is indispensable for
>>> my education.
>>> 
>>> I'm also having trouble finding high-quality, cheap Spanish voices. I
>>> know Cepstral makes some, but I don't like them.
>>> 
>>> any suggestions.
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Re: mail navigation questions

[Scott E. Ford]

Thanks again linda,
I had to have my Daughter do it and she could not make it happen until 
she shut down voice over, however she was able to get it.  Thanks again.
Sincerely,
Scott

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> Scott,
> 
> I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for removing the 
> preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and helpful contributor to this 
> list.
> 
> Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
> Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
> Double click with the physical mouse.
> 
> I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need directions on 
> this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else will step up to the 
> plate.
> 
> Linda
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
> 
>> Thank you so much Linda,
>>  Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I 
>> discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get rid of 
>> that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or get rid of the pain?  
>> Thank you.
>> Sincerely,
>> Scott
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to 
>>> the date column and press VO shift backslash.
>>> 
>>> To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the 
>>> left arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right arrow.
>>> 
>>> I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the Gmail 
>>> web site, but it doesn't.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 Sincerely,
 Scott  I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit 
 of trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though.  
 I would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the 
 newest messages are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot seem 
 to figure out how to get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn key 
 and arrow keys does not seem to work for going to the end and page down.  
 I am using Gmail and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to delete 
 messages.  I love the fact that I can just hit the backspace key and it 
 goes away, however this does not seem to truly delete the message, even if 
 I purge the messages.  Would someone have an explination?  Finally I 
 cannot efficiently use the spell checker.  Could someone help me with 
 these questions, or direct me to a tutorial that may explane how to work 
 through my questions?
 
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three finger click drag on the magic trackpad

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi list,

I've asked my local apple shop to give me a buzz when it gets here but i read 
something about a three finger click drag feature with it.

Has anyone tried it out, and any success?

This could really help with some intuitive copying dragging and prioritizing 
stuff.

Best regards,

Yuma DX®


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Re: mail navigation questions

[Ray Foret Jr]

Thing is, how do you navigate to the horisontal scrol area above the message 
body?  ONce I press return on the message, I can't seem to get to the area.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

E-Mail:
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On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Linda Adams wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for removing the 
> preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and helpful contributor to this 
> list.
> 
> Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
> Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
> Double click with the physical mouse.
> 
> I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need directions on 
> this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else will step up to the 
> plate.
> 
> Linda
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
> 
>> Thank you so much Linda,
>>  Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I 
>> discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get rid of 
>> that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or get rid of the pain?  
>> Thank you.
>> Sincerely,
>> Scott
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to 
>>> the date column and press VO shift backslash.
>>> 
>>> To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the 
>>> left arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right arrow.
>>> 
>>> I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the Gmail 
>>> web site, but it doesn't.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 Sincerely,
 Scott  I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit 
 of trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though.  
 I would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the 
 newest messages are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot seem 
 to figure out how to get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn key 
 and arrow keys does not seem to work for going to the end and page down.  
 I am using Gmail and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to delete 
 messages.  I love the fact that I can just hit the backspace key and it 
 goes away, however this does not seem to truly delete the message, even if 
 I purge the messages.  Would someone have an explination?  Finally I 
 cannot efficiently use the spell checker.  Could someone help me with 
 these questions, or direct me to a tutorial that may explane how to work 
 through my questions?
 
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Re: mail navigation questions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

It is not in the body itself. In the mail message table, you'll see it to the 
right of it. I just tried it to see what you guys meant, and the preview 
disappeared.

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On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Thing is, how do you navigate to the horisontal scrol area above the message 
> body?  ONce I press return on the message, I can't seem to get to the area.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for removing the 
>> preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and helpful contributor to this 
>> list.
>> 
>> Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
>> Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
>> Double click with the physical mouse.
>> 
>> I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need directions on 
>> this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else will step up to the 
>> plate.
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you so much Linda,
>>> Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I 
>>> discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get rid 
>>> of that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or get rid of the 
>>> pain?  Thank you.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Scott
>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>>> 
 Scott,
 
 To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to 
 the date column and press VO shift backslash.
 
 To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the 
 left arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right 
 arrow.
 
 I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the 
 Gmail web site, but it doesn't.
 
 HTH,
 Linda
 
 On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
 
> Hello everyone,
> Sincerely,
> Scott I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit 
> of trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though.  
> I would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the 
> newest messages are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot 
> seem to figure out how to get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn 
> key and arrow keys does not seem to work for going to the end and page 
> down.  I am using Gmail and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to delete 
> messages.  I love the fact that I can just hit the backspace key and it 
> goes away, however this does not seem to truly delete the message, even 
> if I purge the messages.  Would someone have an explination?  Finally I 
> cannot efficiently use the spell checker.  Could someone help me with 
> these questions, or direct me to a tutorial that may explane how to work 
> through my questions?
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Is there a blind mac programmers list?

[Doug Lawlor]

Hello list,
Is there a blind mac programmers list? I thought I heard of one mentioned 
sometime ago but can't remember the name of it. 

Thanks, 
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Mail Navigation Tips and Take Control Books 50% off till August 3rd {was Re: mail navigation questions]

[Esther]

Hi Scott,

I'm late to this thread, but I'll add a couple of other suggestions.   
In addition to using the sort command (VO-Shift-Backslash for English  
input keyboards; VO-H twice to get the VoiceOver Commands menu and  
select "Sort Column" for non-English keyboards that don't have a  
"Backslash" key), to reorder any of the columns in Mail's "Message  
Viewer" table (such as "Date Received"), you can move to the top or  
bottom of the table by holding down Option+Up Arrow or Option+Down  
Arrow keys and waiting just a short bit.  (Donna Goodin got this tip  
from the Accessibility team).


Also, even if you don't use threaded mode to view your mail, you can  
move to the next or previous post in a thread by holding down the  
Option key and tapping either the down arrow or up arrow key (results  
of whether you get the "previous" or "next" post with up or down arrow  
depend on how you've sorted your mail display).


Finally, this goes beyond your question of VoiceOver specific  
operations with Mail, but a very good guide to the way that the Mail  
Application works is "Take Control of Apple Mail in Snow Leopard".   
The Take Control guides and their discounted bundles are on sale for  
50% off through August 3rd.  These guides are all available at modest  
prices (typically $10 - $15 list price) in DRM-free, downloadable PDF  
format.  And now they're available in ePub format as well, if you want  
to read your purchase in iBooks on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch,  
as well as in Preview.  You get access to all minor version updates  
for free.  Some of their guides have information I've never seen  
covered at the same level in any other resource -- for example, "Take  
Control of Your 802.11n AirPort Network" for setting up wireless  
networks, or "Take Control of Mac OS X Backups", or "Take Control of  
MobileMe".  Esoteric questions about File Sharing methods (e.g. with  
Windows devices) are also handled in these books.  The web site  
typically offers free samples of the books, as well as extensive  
descriptions, so you can decide whether a particular book is likely to  
be useful to you.



Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 29, 2010, Scott E. Ford wrote:


Thanks again linda,
	I had to have my Daughter do it and she could not make it happen  
until she shut down voice over, however she was able to get it.   
Thanks again.

Sincerely,
Scott

On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Linda Adams wrote:


Scott,

I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for  
removing the preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and  
helpful contributor to this list.


Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
Double click with the physical mouse.

I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need  
directions on this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else  
will step up to the plate.


Linda

On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:


Thank you so much Linda,
	Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I  
discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to  
get rid of that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or  
get rid of the pain?  Thank you.

Sincerely,
Scott
On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:


Scott,

To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow  
over to the date column and press VO shift backslash.


To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO  
and the left arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO  
and the right arrow.


I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off  
the Gmail web site, but it doesn't.


HTH,
Linda

On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:


Hello everyone,
Sincerely,
Scott	I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a  
bit of trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook  
pro though.  I would like to reverse the way the messages are  
sorted, so that the newest messages are on top, rather than on  
the bottom.  I also cannot seem to figure out how to get to the  
bottom of the table, holding the fn key and arrow keys does not  
seem to work for going to the end and page down.  I am using  
Gmail and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to delete  
messages.  I love the fact that I can just hit the backspace key  
and it goes away, however this does not seem to truly delete the  
message, even if I purge the messages.  Would someone have an  
explination?  Finally I cannot efficiently use the spell  
checker.  Could someone help me with these questions, or direct  
me to a tutorial that may explane how to work through my  
questions?




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Re: Tornado warning! (get away from windows)

[Chris Blouch]

The site is not very well optimized but first view time from Dulles 
Virginia USA via 1.5Mbit DSL was just 2.96 seconds. 842ms of that was 
waiting on the DNS lookup which is very slow. Sounds like they might be 
having some kind of issues with their DNS. A lot of webpagetest.org's 
report is images but the stats are all there in the tables:


http://www.webpagetest.org/result/100729_21XV/

CB

Doug Lawlor wrote:
www.rae.es  is working for me here as well. 


Doug

On 2010-07-28, at 10:36 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:


I just tried to load:

www.rae.es 

and it came up for me very quickly.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Jul 28, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Samuel wrote:


I have a state-issue pc running windows 7, but I switched to the mac
this January so I could stop worrying about upgrading jaws, but I
can't seem to get away from windows completely. This is disappointing.
I really just want one computer. I know I can run windows on a  mac,
but that would completely defeat the purpose of me buying one. I'm
having two major problems

1) I occasionally use kurzweil 1000, and I really wish i could find a
suitable replacement for mac that does all the stuff the the K1000
does.

2) My internet experience with safari (as well as other browsers on
the Mac) has, upon reflection, been rather poor. I realize that flash
doesn't work as well on a mac, and that's ok. My problem is that sites
simply don't load very fast. I have other computers in my home that
load sites very quickly. Sometimes I will wait 30 seconds only for the
"safari can't load website" message, but when I try again, the page
loads. One site in particular (www.rae.es ) 
won't load AT ALL, no

matter if I clear the cache, reset safari, or even use other browsers
on the mac. This same site loads problem free on my pc using the same
connection. When I try to get there on my mac, I just get the search
suggestions page from my ISP. accessing this site is indispensable for
my education.

I'm also having trouble finding high-quality, cheap Spanish voices. I
know Cepstral makes some, but I don't like them.

any suggestions.

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Re: using a hard drive for multiple back ups?

[Chris Blouch]

That makes sense. I poked at the sparseimage 'file' using terminal and 
it actually is a directory. It had a handfull of text files (config 
stuff I would guess) and then a jillion 83MB files all numbered in 
order. I guess they just add or remove capacity on the virtual volume by 
adding or removing another 83MB file. Interesting.


CB

Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Sarah,

No, I have done this and there were no issues.  (including doing a
restore.)  My wife's computer generally does not have time machine on
it, but before  doing a maintenace I was able to save everything and
then restore it.  Also, when my daughter went to college I was able to
migrate just her user account from the time machine backup onto her
college computer.

Chris,  I believe that a disk sparse image is actually a package with
several files hidden in one directory.  I had read an article that
using sparse disk images is a good way to keep some materials on your
computer more secure.  You can set an encription for the sparse disk
image.  But since it is actually several files under the hood,
TimeMachine can just backup the sectors that changed rather then the
entire image.

Best regards,

jon


On 28/07/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
  

What if you hook your time capsul to someone else's computer and run time
machine on there's? will you loose your  back up?
On Jul 28, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:



A time machine backup will live in the folder Backups.backupdb when
backups are run locally. When run over a network Time Machine creates a
disk image called ComputerName.sparseimage which seems to be one giant
file.

CB

Jonathan Cohn wrote:
  

I am fairly certain that Time Machine places all the backup
information into a very specific directory on your back-up  drive.  If
this is the case, and if this directory does not exist on your Primary
disk then you should be OK.

I know that Carbon Copy can co-exist if it is run first.  Perhaps you
want to get a coppy of the take Control book on backups.  Take control
books are 50% off this week.

(Read the instructions in Tidbits.com for how to get the discount).

Jon
[And no, I get no kickbacks from the Tidbits /  Take Control  group, I
have just found them always to be useful and current]


On 21/07/2010, Chris Blouch

 wrote:




I didn't see any replies to this yet. I haven't used carbon copy cloner.
Does it make it's backup into a single file? If so you could probably
store that on the 1TB drive. That said, Time Machine's backup folder
simply stores incremental backups until it fills up the volume and then
starts deleting the oldest backups. So sooner or later that volume will
fill up. I just put a 2TB drive in my other machine for TM backups and
partitioned it into two 500GB volumes and a 1TB volume. The two 500s I
use for two time machine backups, my laptop over the network and the
local machine. Then the 1TB volume is just for general use. That seems
to work well. I haven't done enough re-partitioning to know if you can
resize or  not without losing data. Even if you did, you could just run
another time machine backup after you're done. Chances of failure of
your machine at the same time that you're reconfiguring backups is
pretty small. Because everything should just be files on the backup
volume you shouldn't have anything stepping on anything.

CB

Mary Otten wrote:


  

Hi all,
I have a 1 tb hard drive which is being used by time machine. But I
would
also really like to have a bootable back up, and I know TM does not do
this. I have carbon copy cloneer, which will make bootable back ups.
Question is, and perhaps its a stupid one, are the applications smart
enough not to step on each others data? If the drive were partitioned,
that would be an obvious way to solve the problem. But it isn't, and
I've
got several months worth of time machine backups on it already, so
should
think partitioning at this time would not be possible without data
loss.
is that correct?
Mary






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Re: Mail Navigation Tips and Take Control Books 50% off till August 3rd {was Re: mail navigation questions]

[Chris Moore]

Here is a question for you, I turned off my preview pane in Mail, I now want it 
back!!! help lol 
On 29 Jul 2010, at 22:37, Esther wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> I'm late to this thread, but I'll add a couple of other suggestions.  In 
> addition to using the sort command (VO-Shift-Backslash for English input 
> keyboards; VO-H twice to get the VoiceOver Commands menu and select "Sort 
> Column" for non-English keyboards that don't have a "Backslash" key), to 
> reorder any of the columns in Mail's "Message Viewer" table (such as "Date 
> Received"), you can move to the top or bottom of the table by holding down 
> Option+Up Arrow or Option+Down Arrow keys and waiting just a short bit.  
> (Donna Goodin got this tip from the Accessibility team).
> 
> Also, even if you don't use threaded mode to view your mail, you can move to 
> the next or previous post in a thread by holding down the Option key and 
> tapping either the down arrow or up arrow key (results of whether you get the 
> "previous" or "next" post with up or down arrow depend on how you've sorted 
> your mail display).
> 
> Finally, this goes beyond your question of VoiceOver specific operations with 
> Mail, but a very good guide to the way that the Mail Application works is 
> "Take Control of Apple Mail in Snow Leopard".  The Take Control guides and 
> their discounted bundles are on sale for 50% off through August 3rd.  These 
> guides are all available at modest prices (typically $10 - $15 list price) in 
> DRM-free, downloadable PDF format.  And now they're available in ePub format 
> as well, if you want to read your purchase in iBooks on your iPhone, iPad, or 
> iPod Touch, as well as in Preview.  You get access to all minor version 
> updates for free.  Some of their guides have information I've never seen 
> covered at the same level in any other resource -- for example, "Take Control 
> of Your 802.11n AirPort Network" for setting up wireless networks, or "Take 
> Control of Mac OS X Backups", or "Take Control of MobileMe".  Esoteric 
> questions about File Sharing methods (e.g. with Windows devices) are also 
> handled in these books.  The web site typically offers free samples of the 
> books, as well as extensive descriptions, so you can decide whether a 
> particular book is likely to be useful to you.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, Scott E. Ford wrote:
> 
>> Thanks again linda,
>>  I had to have my Daughter do it and she could not make it happen until 
>> she shut down voice over, however she was able to get it.  Thanks again.
>> Sincerely,
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for removing the 
>>> preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and helpful contributor to 
>>> this list.
>>> 
>>> Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
>>> Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
>>> Double click with the physical mouse.
>>> 
>>> I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need directions 
>>> on this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else will step up to the 
>>> plate.
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>>> 
 Thank you so much Linda,
Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I 
 discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get rid 
 of that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or get rid of the 
 pain?  Thank you.
 Sincerely,
 Scott
 On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
 
> Scott,
> 
> To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to 
> the date column and press VO shift backslash.
> 
> To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the 
> left arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right 
> arrow.
> 
> I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the 
> Gmail web site, but it doesn't.
> 
> HTH,
> Linda
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> Sincerely,
>> ScottI really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit 
>> of trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though. 
>>  I would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the 
>> newest messages are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot 
>> seem to figure out how to get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn 
>> key and arrow keys does not seem to work for going to the end and page 
>> down.  I am using Gmail and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to 
>> delete messages.  I love the fact that I can just hit the backspace key 
>> and it goes away, however this does not seem to truly delete the 
>> message, even if I purge the messages.  Would someone have an 
>>

Re: mail navigation questions

[Carolyn]

Scott:
Also, you can change how messages are sorted by going to VO/m arrow right to 
view and arrow down to explore your options.

HTH
Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Linda Adams 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:43 PM
  Subject: Re: mail navigation questions


  Scott,

  To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to the 
date column and press VO shift backslash.

  To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the left 
arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right arrow.

  I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the Gmail 
web site, but it doesn't.

  HTH,
  Linda

  On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:

  > Hello everyone,
  > Sincerely,
  > Scott I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit of 
trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though.  I would 
like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the newest messages 
are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot seem to figure out how to 
get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn key and arrow keys does not seem 
to work for going to the end and page down.  I am using Gmail and I cannot seem 
to get a grasp on how to delete messages.  I love the fact that I can just hit 
the backspace key and it goes away, however this does not seem to truly delete 
the message, even if I purge the messages.  Would someone have an explination?  
Finally I cannot efficiently use the spell checker.  Could someone help me with 
these questions, or direct me to a tutorial that may explane how to work 
through my questions?
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Re: Mail Navigation Tips and Take Control Books 50% off till August 3rd {was Re: mail navigation questions]

[Scott E. Ford]

Thank you everyone this really helps.  How do you suggest that one uses the 
spell checker?  In windwos I can use hot keys are there similar functions on 
the Mac?  Thanks in advanced.
Sincerely,
Scott
On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> I'm late to this thread, but I'll add a couple of other suggestions.  In 
> addition to using the sort command (VO-Shift-Backslash for English input 
> keyboards; VO-H twice to get the VoiceOver Commands menu and select "Sort 
> Column" for non-English keyboards that don't have a "Backslash" key), to 
> reorder any of the columns in Mail's "Message Viewer" table (such as "Date 
> Received"), you can move to the top or bottom of the table by holding down 
> Option+Up Arrow or Option+Down Arrow keys and waiting just a short bit.  
> (Donna Goodin got this tip from the Accessibility team).
> 
> Also, even if you don't use threaded mode to view your mail, you can move to 
> the next or previous post in a thread by holding down the Option key and 
> tapping either the down arrow or up arrow key (results of whether you get the 
> "previous" or "next" post with up or down arrow depend on how you've sorted 
> your mail display).
> 
> Finally, this goes beyond your question of VoiceOver specific operations with 
> Mail, but a very good guide to the way that the Mail Application works is 
> "Take Control of Apple Mail in Snow Leopard".  The Take Control guides and 
> their discounted bundles are on sale for 50% off through August 3rd.  These 
> guides are all available at modest prices (typically $10 - $15 list price) in 
> DRM-free, downloadable PDF format.  And now they're available in ePub format 
> as well, if you want to read your purchase in iBooks on your iPhone, iPad, or 
> iPod Touch, as well as in Preview.  You get access to all minor version 
> updates for free.  Some of their guides have information I've never seen 
> covered at the same level in any other resource -- for example, "Take Control 
> of Your 802.11n AirPort Network" for setting up wireless networks, or "Take 
> Control of Mac OS X Backups", or "Take Control of MobileMe".  Esoteric 
> questions about File Sharing methods (e.g. with Windows devices) are also 
> handled in these books.  The web site typically offers free samples of the 
> books, as well as extensive descriptions, so you can decide whether a 
> particular book is likely to be useful to you.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, Scott E. Ford wrote:
> 
>> Thanks again linda,
>>  I had to have my Daughter do it and she could not make it happen until 
>> she shut down voice over, however she was able to get it.  Thanks again.
>> Sincerely,
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for removing the 
>>> preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and helpful contributor to 
>>> this list.
>>> 
>>> Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
>>> Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
>>> Double click with the physical mouse.
>>> 
>>> I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need directions 
>>> on this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else will step up to the 
>>> plate.
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>>> 
 Thank you so much Linda,
Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I 
 discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get rid 
 of that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or get rid of the 
 pain?  Thank you.
 Sincerely,
 Scott
 On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
 
> Scott,
> 
> To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to 
> the date column and press VO shift backslash.
> 
> To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the 
> left arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right 
> arrow.
> 
> I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the 
> Gmail web site, but it doesn't.
> 
> HTH,
> Linda
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> Sincerely,
>> ScottI really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit 
>> of trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though. 
>>  I would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the 
>> newest messages are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot 
>> seem to figure out how to get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn 
>> key and arrow keys does not seem to work for going to the end and page 
>> down.  I am using Gmail and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to 
>> delete messages.  I love the fact that I can just hit the backspace key 
>> and it goes away, however this does 

Re: Braille Translation Software.

[Isaac Obie]

Hello Jesse,
There's one called "Louis".From: "Ana G" 
To: 
Subject: Louis Braille Translator
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:02 PM

The Louis braille translator for the Mac is at

http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/

the URL on Fred's Head is incorrect.

thanks to the person who brought this up. I haven't tried it yet.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jesse Bollinger" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:07 PM
Subject: Braille Translation Software.



Hi all,

Does anyone know of some software to convert text to braille on the mac?

Thanks,

Jesse

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Re: Mail Navigation Tips and Take Control Books 50% off till August 3rd {was Re: mail navigation questions]

[Sarah Alawami]

You can hit cmd semicolon for spell checking in the document or cmd shift 
semicolon to spell check using the spell check dialogue If you hit cmd shift 
semicolon you can bring up a context menu to see the words or type the right 
one.

S
On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:

> Thank you everyone this really helps.  How do you suggest that one uses the 
> spell checker?  In windows I can use hot keys are there similar functions on 
> the Mac?  Thanks in advanced.
> Sincerely,
> Scott
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I'm late to this thread, but I'll add a couple of other suggestions.  In 
>> addition to using the sort command (VO-Shift-Backslash for English input 
>> keyboards; VO-H twice to get the VoiceOver Commands menu and select "Sort 
>> Column" for non-English keyboards that don't have a "Backslash" key), to 
>> reorder any of the columns in Mail's "Message Viewer" table (such as "Date 
>> Received"), you can move to the top or bottom of the table by holding down 
>> Option+Up Arrow or Option+Down Arrow keys and waiting just a short bit.  
>> (Donna Goodin got this tip from the Accessibility team).
>> 
>> Also, even if you don't use threaded mode to view your mail, you can move to 
>> the next or previous post in a thread by holding down the Option key and 
>> tapping either the down arrow or up arrow key (results of whether you get 
>> the "previous" or "next" post with up or down arrow depend on how you've 
>> sorted your mail display).
>> 
>> Finally, this goes beyond your question of VoiceOver specific operations 
>> with Mail, but a very good guide to the way that the Mail Application works 
>> is "Take Control of Apple Mail in Snow Leopard".  The Take Control guides 
>> and their discounted bundles are on sale for 50% off through August 3rd.  
>> These guides are all available at modest prices (typically $10 - $15 list 
>> price) in DRM-free, downloadable PDF format.  And now they're available in 
>> ePub format as well, if you want to read your purchase in iBooks on your 
>> iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, as well as in Preview.  You get access to all 
>> minor version updates for free.  Some of their guides have information I've 
>> never seen covered at the same level in any other resource -- for example, 
>> "Take Control of Your 802.11n AirPort Network" for setting up wireless 
>> networks, or "Take Control of Mac OS X Backups", or "Take Control of 
>> MobileMe".  Esoteric questions about File Sharing methods (e.g. with Windows 
>> devices) are also handled in these books.  The web site typically offers 
>> free samples of the books, as well as extensive descriptions, so you can 
>> decide whether a particular book is likely to be useful to you.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2010, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks again linda,
>>> I had to have my Daughter do it and she could not make it happen until 
>>> she shut down voice over, however she was able to get it.  Thanks again.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>>> 
 Scott,
 
 I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for removing 
 the preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and helpful contributor 
 to this list.
 
 Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
 Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
 Double click with the physical mouse.
 
 I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need directions 
 on this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else will step up to 
 the plate.
 
 Linda
 
 On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
 
> Thank you so much Linda,
>   Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I 
> discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get rid 
> of that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or get rid of the 
> pain?  Thank you.
> Sincerely,
> Scott
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to 
>> the date column and press VO shift backslash.
>> 
>> To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the 
>> left arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right 
>> arrow.
>> 
>> I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the 
>> Gmail web site, but it doesn't.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Linda
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Scott   I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit 
>>> of trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro 
>>> though.  I would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so 
>>> that the newest messages are on top, r

Re: Mail Navigation Tips and Take Control Books 50% off till August 3rd {was Re: mail navigation questions]

[annelie robledo]

The poster of the original message has the issue where the mail isn't being 
deleted from the goggle accept. Does any one know how to fix this? I am having 
same problem.
On Jul 29, 2010, at 8:21 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> You can hit cmd semicolon for spell checking in the document or cmd shift 
> semicolon to spell check using the spell check dialogue If you hit cmd shift 
> semicolon you can bring up a context menu to see the words or type the right 
> one.
> 
> S
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
> 
>> Thank you everyone this really helps.  How do you suggest that one uses the 
>> spell checker?  In windows I can use hot keys are there similar functions on 
>> the Mac?  Thanks in advanced.
>> Sincerely,
>> Scott
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> I'm late to this thread, but I'll add a couple of other suggestions.  In 
>>> addition to using the sort command (VO-Shift-Backslash for English input 
>>> keyboards; VO-H twice to get the VoiceOver Commands menu and select "Sort 
>>> Column" for non-English keyboards that don't have a "Backslash" key), to 
>>> reorder any of the columns in Mail's "Message Viewer" table (such as "Date 
>>> Received"), you can move to the top or bottom of the table by holding down 
>>> Option+Up Arrow or Option+Down Arrow keys and waiting just a short bit.  
>>> (Donna Goodin got this tip from the Accessibility team).
>>> 
>>> Also, even if you don't use threaded mode to view your mail, you can move 
>>> to the next or previous post in a thread by holding down the Option key and 
>>> tapping either the down arrow or up arrow key (results of whether you get 
>>> the "previous" or "next" post with up or down arrow depend on how you've 
>>> sorted your mail display).
>>> 
>>> Finally, this goes beyond your question of VoiceOver specific operations 
>>> with Mail, but a very good guide to the way that the Mail Application works 
>>> is "Take Control of Apple Mail in Snow Leopard".  The Take Control guides 
>>> and their discounted bundles are on sale for 50% off through August 3rd.  
>>> These guides are all available at modest prices (typically $10 - $15 list 
>>> price) in DRM-free, downloadable PDF format.  And now they're available in 
>>> ePub format as well, if you want to read your purchase in iBooks on your 
>>> iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, as well as in Preview.  You get access to all 
>>> minor version updates for free.  Some of their guides have information I've 
>>> never seen covered at the same level in any other resource -- for example, 
>>> "Take Control of Your 802.11n AirPort Network" for setting up wireless 
>>> networks, or "Take Control of Mac OS X Backups", or "Take Control of 
>>> MobileMe".  Esoteric questions about File Sharing methods (e.g. with 
>>> Windows devices) are also handled in these books.  The web site typically 
>>> offers free samples of the books, as well as extensive descriptions, so you 
>>> can decide whether a particular book is likely to be useful to you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2010, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks again linda,
I had to have my Daughter do it and she could not make it happen until 
 she shut down voice over, however she was able to get it.  Thanks again.
 Sincerely,
 Scott
 
 On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
 
> Scott,
> 
> I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for removing 
> the preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and helpful contributor 
> to this list.
> 
> Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
> Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
> Double click with the physical mouse.
> 
> I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need directions 
> on this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else will step up to 
> the plate.
> 
> Linda
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
> 
>> Thank you so much Linda,
>>  Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I 
>> discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get 
>> rid of that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or get rid of 
>> the pain?  Thank you.
>> Sincerely,
>> Scott
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over 
>>> to the date column and press VO shift backslash.
>>> 
>>> To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the 
>>> left arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right 
>>> arrow.
>>> 
>>> I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the 
>>> Gmail web site, but it doesn't.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford 

DaisyWorm 1.0 released in iTunes store now

[Greg Kearney]

The Association for the Blind of Western Australia and Curtin University of 
Technology are pleased to announce the availability of DaisyWorm. DaisyWorm is 
a simple yet powerful DAISY audio book reader app for the Apple iPhone 
supporting the 2.02, 2002 and 2005 formats with full or partial audio. Full 
information can be found at: 

http://itunes.apple.com/au/app/daisyworm/id38331?mt=8

Cost is A$4.99 Australian or about US$4.50 in U.S. Dollars.

DaisyWorm will play non-protected DAISY full audio and full text/full audio 
books on the iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch. 

This includes books from the talking book library of Association for the Blind 
of Western Australia http://www.guidedogswa.org/ 

The Vision Australia library 
http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=514 

As well as the talking books libraries of the CNIB in Canada, RNIB in the 
United Kingdom and RNZFB in New Zealand and TPB in Sweden. As well as most 
other talking book libraries world wide.

At this time DaisyWorm is unable to play digital talking books from the U.S. 
National Library Service or Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic in the United 
States due to the use of digital rights management schemes by those agencies.

Future free upgrades will include user bookmarks, playback speed control and 
support for DAISY text only books.

Please feel free to share this information or to contact me for more 
information.

Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
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Re: screen curtain

[Michael Thurman]

if you hit f1 or function f1 you can turn the baclight completely off  and then 
do the screen curtain you  have to do them in that order. if you do screen 
curtain first and then turn down the backlight it will turn screen curtain back 
off. the backlight is completely off when it says zero percent

On Jul 28, 2010, at 6:32 PM, John D. Lipsey wrote:

> Turning down the brightness doesn't completely turn off the display, but is 
> it possible, with a MacBook, to completely turn off the screen including the 
> backlight?
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:
> 
>> now that would be a nice feature   screen curtain shouldjust turn both the 
>> backlight and the screen off at once you should not have to remember to do 
>> both lol  we might as well have something in our favor considering how 
>> manythigns  we have set against us lol  like at and t internet tech support 
>> people refusing to help caus i couldn't do a speed test  cause their service 
>> was lousy lol  I think I scared them i d\ sid fine Im callng time warnerand 
>> hung up on them
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know anything about the monitors but can you not hit the on off 
>>> switch for your mac mini's monitor? or will that confuse vo?
>>> On Jul 28, 2010, at 10:41 AM, RvR wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 That would be the ideal solution, however on iMacs it isn't possible to 
 turn
 the screen completely off. Unless someone knows otherwise. Please pretty
 please... smile
 Best,
 Ronald
 
 
 
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 Verzonden: woensdag 28 juli 2010 19:08
 Aan: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Onderwerp: Re: screen curtain
 
 and Plus whenthe screen curtainis on you still see a curser so yeah turnng
 off the desplay is better.
 
 S
 On Jul 25, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
> For saving the battery, rather than using the screen curtain, I would turn
 the display brightness all the way down to 0, that will totally turn off 
 the
 screen lighting.
> On Jul 25, 2010, at 4:20 PM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> 
>> Hello!
>> 
>> I enable my screen curtain because A: I don't like people being able to
 look over my shoulder while I'm using my computer, and B: I assume that it
 saves a bit of battery power.  However, I was under the impression that the
 screen curtain would behave like it does on the IPhone and reactivate
 whenever I turn on voiceover or my computer. Should this in fact be the
 case? Or is it normal to have to restart the screen curtain each time you
 restart voiceover/the computer?
>> 
>> Thanks again for all the help.
>> 
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latest iTunes

[Shen]

It's quite interesting. I just updated to the latest iTunes, presumably version 
9.2.1. Now, the "About iTunes" window is no longer accessible. It just says 
"empty unknown".
I cannot even verify that I have version 9.2.1.
This version obviously did not go through a thorough accessibility test before 
release.
Anyone else having the same issue?



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