Re: Programmers Editor

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Brian,
What issues are you having with the port to Iphone OS?  I'm also wondering 
whether it might be better to hold off on a port now till after the release of 
the SDK for version 4.0?  That's going to change our coding landscape rather 
considerably methinks.  However, I'd love to get involved and help with any 
kind of port to the iPHone os.  I like RenaissanceX rather a lot.  Well done on 
a great effort.

Dónal
On 7 Jun 2010, at 05:47, Bryan Smart wrote:

> I haven't figured out a way to start it, but VoiceOver seems to be included 
> with the simulator.
> 
> Won't do you much good, though. No way to design your user interface for the 
> iPhone, unless you create all of the user interface objects by hand in code. 
> Interface Builder, where you'd normally make the interface, isn't accessible, 
> and my RenaissanceX project can only make desktop interfaces right now. I'd 
> hoped to port it to iPhone OS fairly quick, but that's taking more work than 
> I'd thought. Apple doesn't exactly use Cocoa on the iPhone. Cocoa Touch might 
> sound like a similar API, but it is quite different.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr.
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Programmers Editor
> 
> how about the simulator? is it accessible yet?  I really want to make an 
> iphone web ap for my business, but the last time i checked, the software for 
> creating those wasn't accessible yet.  any news? thanks, Max On Jun 4, 2010, 
> at 12:24 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
> 
>> Xcode. It's completely accessible.
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Doug Lawlor
>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Programmers Editor
>> 
>> Hi Bryan,
>> What editor do you use for writing code on the Mac?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> On 2010-06-04, at 2:27 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>> 
>>> No. This isn't possible.
>>> 
>>> You can save and load VoiceOver settings, though. Look in the File 
>>> menu of the VoiceOver utility. I have different settings that I use 
>>> when programming, for example.
>>> 
>>> Bryan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alfredo
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:43 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: Can you set application specific settings with Voice Over
>>> 
>>> Hello all, I was reading the online Voice over tutorial from apple 
>>> and and kinda of questioning some aspects of the screen reader, with 
>>> the focus being excessive keyboard combinations as well as having to 
>>> arrow several times to reach some palces.  But hey, it is a learning 
>>> experience, and I like challenges.  My question is about the 
>>> verbosity settings.  Can you apply verbosity settings on a per 
>>> application basis?  For example I want to have my TextEdit 
>>> application have full attribute verbose, while I do not care if there 
>>> is bold or italize text on an article I am reading online.  I 
>>> currently just have the same verbose level in all my applications, 
>>> although I know they can be customize for each application.
>>> 
>>> PS
>>> I have a brand new copy, unopened, latest version of the ViewPlus, 
>>> AudioGraphing Calculatorsoftware , for sale, its 300 US dollars at 
>>> their website.  I am selling mine for 250.  If anyone is interested 
>>> email me.  I live in san Diego, California, USA.
>>> Alfredo
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Re: Local Web Development

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hello Jeff,

Apologies for the delay in chipping in on this thread but we've had a public 
holiday over here.

I raised this very issue a few weeks ago over on the mv-dev list and got some 
extremely helpful replies (as ever).

My suggestion would be that you find and download MAMP.  This is a local dev 
setup for mac.  You get a new install of MySQL, Apache and PHP.  The PHP which 
comes with MAMP seems to be a more complete install.

One thing to note is that the MAMP install listens on non-standard ports.  
While this can be changed, I probably wouldn't recommend it.

Cheers

Dónal
On 5 Jun 2010, at 00:37, Jeff Berwick wrote:

> Okay,
> 
> This is a good start.  Typing in the IP address of my computer with a 
> ~username at the end gets me to a test page.  The page is held in the sites 
> folder of your user folder.
> 
> Anybody know anything about whether PHP, Perl and MySQL can be installed and 
> configured to work with the apparently preloaded Apache server?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2010-06-04, at 7:23 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> You should probably find that in sharing in System preferences.  There is a 
>> table with a list of services that you can check or uncheck to turn on or 
>> off.  One of them is web sharing or something like that.  Check the checkbox 
>> to turn that on.  After that, Apache will run on port 80, so you probably 
>> should be able to type http://localhost into Safari.  I'm not sure what 
>> directory you put your HTML files in.
>> 
>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am relatively new to the Mac so am not sure if/how I can do this.
>>> 
>>> On my old Windows machine, I was able to set up a local copy of Apache, 
>>> PHP, PERL and MySQL so I could create my websites locally and test them 
>>> before going live.
>>> 
>>> I assume this can be done on the Mac since it is built on the Unix 
>>> platform.  Can anybody assist me with how I would go about setting these 
>>> programs up and accessing my localhost?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
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Where and what is Safari Reader?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi folks.
I've upgraded to Safari 5 and found this menu command that's dimmed and that 
says "open reader". Ok, i think, so there's no reader to open, well how do i 
find where and what it is? So i go to open the help page about the reader and 
get the following: "Help viewer couldn't open this content", what the ...
So, where if anywhere could i go to install the reader and what does it do? Is 
it an rss reader?
/Krister

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Victor Reader Softpak

[Allison Manzino]

Hi everyone,

I had promised to report back on the success or failure of the Softpak recently 
announced and put out by HumanWare. Well, I have purchased it and here are my 
findings so far. Keep in mind that I haven't had it more than a day but even 
getting to that point was a challenge. Hopefully this message will help anyone 
who is curious about  the pak and whether it works with Audible content 
downloaded via Itunes.

The first thing I noticed when I tried to update is that Safari would get to 
the point on HumanWare's website where all the products were listed and crash. 
I'd go on to the homepage, hit VO U to bring up the links list, activate the 
shop link and as I'd scroll down, Safari would just close. No matter how many 
times I repeated this process Safari would do the same thing. I ended up 
ordering the Pak on my Windows machine through Mozila. Once installed, the Pak 
appears to work with books downloaded via Itunes. I haven't had the chance to 
test it out with MP4s purchased from the Itunes store however.  I wonder if 
this bugoon HumanWare's website will be corrected with the release of Safari 5. 
I hope this has been of some help to the list. Have a wonderful day!

Allison

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safari reader

[chad baker]

Hi where is the safari reader located?
I looked under each drop down could not find it.

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Re: TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear!

[Michael Thurman]

are these headphones real headphones or earphones, or are they earbuds like the 
regular i pod earbuds. i can't stand earbuds, but would love a good pair of 
headphones
On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> Yep, me too.  I left mine attached to a computer in my computer class at 
> school.  I did buy some knock off headphones which look like the Apple 
> headphones with an in-line pause button, but no volume buttons.  They 
> actually sound pretty good, but I would like to have another pair of the 
> original Apple earphones.
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 6:43 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark, where do you find the headset replacements... I've gone through one 
>> pair and stolen my fiance's from her iphone:).
>> On 2010-06-03, at 1:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> The following was posted to the Candle Shore BLOG:
>>> 
>>> TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear!
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone, 
>>> 
>>> As a low vision Windows 7 and Mac Snow Leopard user, I access computers via
>>> a screen reader (JAWS) for Windows 7 and (VoiceOver) for Mac Snow Leopard.
>>> 
>>> I also happen to be a very satisfied user of iPhone 3GS. 
>>> 
>>> Included with the iPhone 3GS, at the time of purchase, is a very nice set of
>>> Apple branded stereo earphones with inline 3-button remote control and
>>> microphone.  This included headset can be used to remotely control iPhone
>>> 3GS volume level, dialing feature, and iPod App.  
>>> 
>>> Since the release of iPhone 3GS, I have damaged the microphone on at least
>>> three sets of these headsets by various sundry accidents including getting
>>> the microphone wet. 
>>> 
>>> The other day, while opening yet another pair of Apple iPhone 3GS earphones,
>>> I decided to attach the older pair to my MacBook Pro. 
>>> 
>>> What do you think I discovered?  You're right!  The inline remote control
>>> acts just like it does on my iPhone 3GS; that is, the volume buttons work to
>>> change the volume level of the MacBook Pro and the middle button will open
>>> iTunes. When iTunes is playing media, the headset inline remote control
>>> functions to navigate the playback just as it does on the iPhone 3GS. 
>>> 
>>> As a bonus, even when running Windows 7 in VM Ware's Fusion, the inline
>>> remote volume buttons continue to function normally. 
>>> 
>>> So, go ahead and shove  that iPhone 3GS 3-button inline remote control
>>> headset with Microphone, attached to your MacBook Pro, in your ear.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Does anyone know if your mac saves energy when using the screen curtain?

[Michael Thurman]

don't forget the back light is still on. i verified this with my girlfriend 
watching the apple logo in the lid of my macbook and with screen curtain on you 
still can turn that  logo brighter or darker, so the backlight which uses the 
energy is only turned off when you turn the brightness down all the way

On Jun 4, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> It will, but you  won't necessarily get privacy with the screen curtain on. 
> you will still see a curser. what I do is lower the brightness to 0 percent 
> with fn f1 or f1 depending on how my laptop  is set up then vo shft f11 to 
> turn on the screen curtain.
> 
> S
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Alfredo wrote:
> 
>> I currently have a laptop with jaws, and in order to save energy and
>> prolong the life of the battery I dim the brightness to 1% of total
>> when not pluged in.  I was reading that you can enable a screen
>> curtain in Voice Over so to prevent others from seeing what you are
>> doing.  This is great in itself, since it can protect your privacy,
>> but I was wondering if this feature will also prolong the baterry life
>> on a mac notebook.  If it does not, or if you guys do not know, is
>> there a way to dim the brightness of the display in the mac OS to
>> prolong the life of the battery inbetween charges?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> alfredo
>> 
>> PS I ahve a license unopened copy of ViewPlus AudioGraphing Calculator
>> for sale, it cost 300 if bought fromt he company, I am selling mine
>> for 250.  Send me an email if you are interested
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stanza on ipod

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi listers.

 I'm trying to use stanza onn my ipod touch, but can't get it to play the
books is there a user guide for stanza / VO that might allow me to pic up on
wat I'm doing wrong?

 Cheers 

Simon f

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Re: safari 5 skipping large blocks of text. Any work arounds?

[Peggy Fleischer]

If you VO space on the title of the story you want to read and then  use the 
new reader, by pressing command shift r,  your article will read correctly.  

Peggy Fleischer
peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net

Jude 1:24  Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present 
you 
faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
1:25  To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion 
and power, Both now and forever. Amen.


On Jun 8, 2010, at 1:26 AM, John J Herzog wrote:

> Hi all, 
> To experience the following bug, visit a site like www.engadget.com. 
> Go to one of the story headings and VO right to read it. You will notice that 
> part of the story reads, but it cuts off and the next thing you see are links 
> that come at the end. When you VO left arrow, you realize that many lines 
> were skipped as you previously VO right arrowed.  Interestingly, when you VO 
> left arrow to the point voiceover sopped reading, and then VO right arrow 
> again, all the text shows up as expected. But it appears that at least 
> initially safari is not rendering everything to voiceover. 
> Let me know if anybody else has experienced this. 
> 
> John 
> 
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Solona screen protectors.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

My apologies to the mods if this is veering off topic, but I've been asked
by a friend of mine whether anyone has used the iPhone Solona tactile screen
protectors.

The summary of his situation is that he had an iPhone, and played with it
for quite some time before realising that the device wasn't for him.
However, he says that if the screen protector were any use, he'd be quite
happy to give it another shot, as he reckons the dots would greatly assist
him.

I'd appreciate any opinions, and I'll pass them on.  Again, if I've drifted
off topic, do please feel free to respond to me off-list rather than
cluttering up people's mailboxes.

Cheers,

Dónal

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Exercising and iPod

[Sarai D. Bucciarelli]

All:
I'm looking for some soart of software that I can put on an iPod, a Nano, or
an iPhone that will keep track of how many miles I run while on the
treadmill. Has anyone found a solution? If so, what device, and what
software are you using.

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Re: safari reader

[Olivia Norman]

Hi!
I found it after much looking around and actually needed help from a friend.  
It's in the view menu or you can press command shift R to get it that way when 
you're on a page with an article.
HTH, Olivia
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:28 AM, chad baker wrote:

> Hi where is the safari reader located?
> I looked under each drop down could not find it.
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Re: Victor Reader Softpak

[Olivia Norman]

Interesting.  No windows machines in this establishment, so I'll have to hope 
there's some kind of safari work around!
Olivia
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:17 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I had promised to report back on the success or failure of the Softpak 
> recently announced and put out by HumanWare. Well, I have purchased it and 
> here are my findings so far. Keep in mind that I haven't had it more than a 
> day but even getting to that point was a challenge. Hopefully this message 
> will help anyone who is curious about  the pak and whether it works with 
> Audible content downloaded via Itunes.
> 
> The first thing I noticed when I tried to update is that Safari would get to 
> the point on HumanWare's website where all the products were listed and 
> crash. I'd go on to the homepage, hit VO U to bring up the links list, 
> activate the shop link and as I'd scroll down, Safari would just close. No 
> matter how many times I repeated this process Safari would do the same thing. 
> I ended up ordering the Pak on my Windows machine through Mozila. Once 
> installed, the Pak appears to work with books downloaded via Itunes. I 
> haven't had the chance to test it out with MP4s purchased from the Itunes 
> store however.  I wonder if this bugoon HumanWare's website will be corrected 
> with the release of Safari 5. I hope this has been of some help to the list. 
> Have a wonderful day!
> 
> Allison
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VO crashing when I launch keynote!

[Olivia Norman]

Here's one of the links I've experienced the issue where VO constantly crashes 
and instead of interacting with the HTML content, launches the system greeting. 
 I have repaired my permissions and restarted, with no luck.  I've also reset 
my preferences.  Any suggestions?
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1006ad9g4hjk/event/index.html
Any suggestions?  I actually really need to catch the keynote.
Thanks, Olivia
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Re: VO crashing when I launch keynote!

[Marshall Scott]

Hi Olivia,
Have you tried clearing the cache and reseting Safari in the Safari menu?  How 
about turning off the pop-up blocker?
Marshall
resetti
On Jun 8, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Olivia Norman wrote:

> Here's one of the links I've experienced the issue where VO constantly 
> crashes and instead of interacting with the HTML content, launches the system 
> greeting.  I have repaired my permissions and restarted, with no luck.  I've 
> also reset my preferences.  Any suggestions?
> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1006ad9g4hjk/event/index.html
> Any suggestions?  I actually really need to catch the keynote.
> Thanks, Olivia
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Re: safari reader

[Bob Hill]

Hi all,

I guess I need some clarification as to what an article consists of.
I went to a blog that I'm interested in, and I was able to invoke the reader, 
but when I go to a TV station site, and read an article about news,, the reader 
is dimmed.

Thanks for any enlightenment.

Bob Hill

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> Hi!
> I found it after much looking around and actually needed help from a friend.  
> It's in the view menu or you can press command shift R to get it that way 
> when you're on a page with an article.
> HTH, Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:28 AM, chad baker wrote:
> 
>> Hi where is the safari reader located?
>> I looked under each drop down could not find it.
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Re: VO crashing when I launch keynote!

[Teresa Cochran]

I don't have any idea of a fix, but just letting you know that it's working 
fine for me.

Teresa
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> Here's one of the links I've experienced the issue where VO constantly 
> crashes and instead of interacting with the HTML content, launches the system 
> greeting.  I have repaired my permissions and restarted, with no luck.  I've 
> also reset my preferences.  Any suggestions?
> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1006ad9g4hjk/event/index.html
> Any suggestions?  I actually really need to catch the keynote.
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Re: Where and what is Safari Reader?

[mike Reiser]

It allows you to put articles on one page and makes them easier to read.  Not 
sure if it only works on certain pages but the command is command shift r.  

Mike
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hi folks.
> I've upgraded to Safari 5 and found this menu command that's dimmed and that 
> says "open reader". Ok, i think, so there's no reader to open, well how do i 
> find where and what it is? So i go to open the help page about the reader and 
> get the following: "Help viewer couldn't open this content", what the ...
> So, where if anywhere could i go to install the reader and what does it do? 
> Is it an rss reader?
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Re: VO crashing when I launch keynote!

[Olivia Norman]

Yes. I've also repaired my permissions.
Olivia
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Marshall Scott wrote:

> Hi Olivia,
> Have you tried clearing the cache and reseting Safari in the Safari menu?  
> How about turning off the pop-up blocker?
> Marshall
> resetti
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Olivia Norman wrote:
> 
>> Here's one of the links I've experienced the issue where VO constantly 
>> crashes and instead of interacting with the HTML content, launches the 
>> system greeting.  I have repaired my permissions and restarted, with no 
>> luck.  I've also reset my preferences.  Any suggestions?
>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1006ad9g4hjk/event/index.html
>> Any suggestions?  I actually really need to catch the keynote.
>> Thanks, Olivia
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Mail not showing all messages

[mike Reiser]

Hello all,

I have rules set in mail that have all my lists going into there own folders.  
It seems that voiceover will tell me for example that there are 4 emails and it 
only shows 2 of them.  Or 17 and it only shows 9.  Is there any way to fix 
this?  Thanks,

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Re: Solona screen protectors.

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Dónal,

I'm waiting to receive samples of these screen protectors so that I can put 
together a bulk order for the members of the French CeciMac list. I'll let you 
know about them as soon as I get a look at them myself.

Cheers,

Anne


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> My apologies to the mods if this is veering off topic, but I've been asked
> by a friend of mine whether anyone has used the iPhone Solona tactile screen
> protectors.
> 
> The summary of his situation is that he had an iPhone, and played with it
> for quite some time before realising that the device wasn't for him.
> However, he says that if the screen protector were any use, he'd be quite
> happy to give it another shot, as he reckons the dots would greatly assist
> him.
> 
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> 
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> 
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web kit

[Mary Otten]

Does webkit have the Safari reader in it? Or is that an Apple add on? also, 
some time back, I went to the webkit site, which I don't remember the url for 
any more and got confused as to how to get it and replace Safari with it. I 
gather it uses the Safari interface. Heard that on one of the Mac-related 
podcasts available on blindcooltech

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RE: Solona screen protectors.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Anne that would be excellent, thank you.  Have you heard good things about
them?

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Subject: Re: Solona screen protectors.

Hello Dónal,

I'm waiting to receive samples of these screen protectors so that I can put
together a bulk order for the members of the French CeciMac list. I'll let
you know about them as soon as I get a look at them myself.

Cheers,

Anne


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> by a friend of mine whether anyone has used the iPhone Solona tactile
screen
> protectors.
> 
> The summary of his situation is that he had an iPhone, and played with it
> for quite some time before realising that the device wasn't for him.
> However, he says that if the screen protector were any use, he'd be quite
> happy to give it another shot, as he reckons the dots would greatly assist
> him.
> 
> I'd appreciate any opinions, and I'll pass them on.  Again, if I've
drifted
> off topic, do please feel free to respond to me off-list rather than
> cluttering up people's mailboxes.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
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stupid question of the day: how to install from a disk image

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,

Its been a while since I installed an app from a downloaded disk image. I just 
got the new version of onyx and ended up running it from within the disk image, 
which is on my desktop. I thought there was a way to have the app inside the 
image go directly to the apps folder. Am I crazy? Or do I just copy and paste 
the app the old fashioned way?

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Re: stupid question of the day: how to install from a disk image

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

You're not crazy; that's about all there is to it. :)

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Re: stupid question of the day: how to install from a disk image

[Hai Nguyen]

Good morning Mary, 
As I'm sure you may know, the only stupid question is the one left unasked. 
Anyway, you are correct that this application can just be copied and pasted in 
the applications folder. Some applications will create a copy for you 
automatically during the installation process, but this is all based on whether 
or not the developer decides to implement this feature.
hth
Hai

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> Hi all,
> 
> Its been a while since I installed an app from a downloaded disk image. I 
> just got the new version of onyx and ended up running it from within the disk 
> image, which is on my desktop. I thought there was a way to have the app 
> inside the image go directly to the apps folder. Am I crazy? Or do I just 
> copy and paste the app the old fashioned way?
> 
> Mary
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Re: web kit

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

No, you're fine using Webkit with the reader as well. Just run the Webkit.app 
when you have put it in your applications folder every time you go on the 
internet. It's just like Safari, but some things are better because the engine 
is continuously updated.

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> Does webkit have the Safari reader in it? Or is that an Apple add on? also, 
> some time back, I went to the webkit site, which I don't remember the url for 
> any more and got confused as to how to get it and replace Safari with it. I 
> gather it uses the Safari interface. Heard that on one of the Mac-related 
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Re: TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear!

[Kimberly thurman]

They're ear buds not earphones.  I dont' mind earbuds, but my ears do get tired 
of them after a while. On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:43 AM, Michael Thurman wrote:

> are these headphones real headphones or earphones, or are they earbuds like 
> the regular i pod earbuds. i can't stand earbuds, but would love a good pair 
> of headphones
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> Yep, me too.  I left mine attached to a computer in my computer class at 
>> school.  I did buy some knock off headphones which look like the Apple 
>> headphones with an in-line pause button, but no volume buttons.  They 
>> actually sound pretty good, but I would like to have another pair of the 
>> original Apple earphones.
>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 6:43 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mark, where do you find the headset replacements... I've gone through 
>>> one pair and stolen my fiance's from her iphone:).
>>> On 2010-06-03, at 1:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 The following was posted to the Candle Shore BLOG:
 
 TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear!
 
 Hello Everyone, 
 
 As a low vision Windows 7 and Mac Snow Leopard user, I access computers via
 a screen reader (JAWS) for Windows 7 and (VoiceOver) for Mac Snow Leopard.
 
 I also happen to be a very satisfied user of iPhone 3GS. 
 
 Included with the iPhone 3GS, at the time of purchase, is a very nice set 
 of
 Apple branded stereo earphones with inline 3-button remote control and
 microphone.  This included headset can be used to remotely control iPhone
 3GS volume level, dialing feature, and iPod App.  
 
 Since the release of iPhone 3GS, I have damaged the microphone on at least
 three sets of these headsets by various sundry accidents including getting
 the microphone wet. 
 
 The other day, while opening yet another pair of Apple iPhone 3GS 
 earphones,
 I decided to attach the older pair to my MacBook Pro. 
 
 What do you think I discovered?  You're right!  The inline remote control
 acts just like it does on my iPhone 3GS; that is, the volume buttons work 
 to
 change the volume level of the MacBook Pro and the middle button will open
 iTunes. When iTunes is playing media, the headset inline remote control
 functions to navigate the playback just as it does on the iPhone 3GS. 
 
 As a bonus, even when running Windows 7 in VM Ware's Fusion, the inline
 remote volume buttons continue to function normally. 
 
 So, go ahead and shove  that iPhone 3GS 3-button inline remote control
 headset with Microphone, attached to your MacBook Pro, in your ear.
 
 Enjoy,
 
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Re: web kit

[Buddy Brannan]

So, has anyone figured out how to make webkit the default app for web viewing/ 
i.e. have webkit open when clicking an active link instead of safari?
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> Hi,
> 
> No, you're fine using Webkit with the reader as well. Just run the Webkit.app 
> when you have put it in your applications folder every time you go on the 
> internet. It's just like Safari, but some things are better because the 
> engine is continuously updated.
> 
> Regards,
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> On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Does webkit have the Safari reader in it? Or is that an Apple add on? also, 
>> some time back, I went to the webkit site, which I don't remember the url 
>> for any more and got confused as to how to get it and replace Safari with 
>> it. I gather it uses the Safari interface. Heard that on one of the 
>> Mac-related podcasts available on blindcooltech
>> 
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Re: web kit

[Sarah Alawami]

I'm not sure.  I have not looked at the faw for a while but I'd say to maybe go 
to the prefs and brosse for it under general.

Good luck.
On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> So, has anyone figured out how to make webkit the default app for web 
> viewing/ i.e. have webkit open when clicking an active link instead of safari?
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> 
> 
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> No, you're fine using Webkit with the reader as well. Just run the 
>> Webkit.app when you have put it in your applications folder every time you 
>> go on the internet. It's just like Safari, but some things are better 
>> because the engine is continuously updated.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> Twitter
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>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>>> Does webkit have the Safari reader in it? Or is that an Apple add on? also, 
>>> some time back, I went to the webkit site, which I don't remember the url 
>>> for any more and got confused as to how to get it and replace Safari with 
>>> it. I gather it uses the Safari interface. Heard that on one of the 
>>> Mac-related podcasts available on blindcooltech
>>> 
>>> Mary
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a sign of things to come?

[william lomas]

hi i wonder what languages we get then in the OS for mac?

iPhone 4 supports more than 30 Bluetooth wireless braille displays right out of 
the box. Just pair one and start using it to navigate your iPhone with 
VoiceOver — no additional software needed. In addition, iPhone includes braille 
tables for more than 25 international languages.

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Re: web kit

[Kimberly thurman]

I didn't replace Safari with it.  I just use it instead of Safari.  There have 
been times where it was handy to have two browsers as well.  
On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Does webkit have the Safari reader in it? Or is that an Apple add on? also, 
> some time back, I went to the webkit site, which I don't remember the url for 
> any more and got confused as to how to get it and replace Safari with it. I 
> gather it uses the Safari interface. Heard that on one of the Mac-related 
> podcasts available on blindcooltech
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Re: web kit

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Oh, I wouldn't actually remoe Safari, certainly. 
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> I didn't replace Safari with it.  I just use it instead of Safari.  There 
> have been times where it was handy to have two browsers as well.  
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Does webkit have the Safari reader in it? Or is that an Apple add on? also, 
>> some time back, I went to the webkit site, which I don't remember the url 
>> for any more and got confused as to how to get it and replace Safari with 
>> it. I gather it uses the Safari interface. Heard that on one of the 
>> Mac-related podcasts available on blindcooltech
>> 
>> Mary
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deleting an app from the downloads folder

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,

When I enter the downloads folder from the dock and go to an item I want to 
delete, I can't send it to the trash. That item is dimmed. I'm sure this didn't 
use to be the case. I know I've deleted things from my download folder. What am 
I missing? Also, I have noticed that now when I open the macintosh hd item on 
my desktop, I go straight way into the table  for the applications folder. I 
thiknk my sighted partner must have changed something, as I am positive this 
behavior is new and not necessarily wanted, since there doesn't seem to be a 
way to get the top level view of the hd any more, which offered another way of 
getting at the downloads folder, among other things. any advice?

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Re: TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear!

[Sarah Alawami]

they are ear buds but I can't feel them and that's unusual. the mic sounds like 
crud on the system but it works in a pinch. lol!
On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:43 AM, Michael Thurman wrote:

> are these headphones real headphones or earphones, or are they earbuds like 
> the regular i pod earbuds. i can't stand earbuds, but would love a good pair 
> of headphones
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> Yep, me too.  I left mine attached to a computer in my computer class at 
>> school.  I did buy some knock off headphones which look like the Apple 
>> headphones with an in-line pause button, but no volume buttons.  They 
>> actually sound pretty good, but I would like to have another pair of the 
>> original Apple earphones.
>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 6:43 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mark, where do you find the headset replacements... I've gone through 
>>> one pair and stolen my fiance's from her iphone:).
>>> On 2010-06-03, at 1:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 The following was posted to the Candle Shore BLOG:
 
 TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear!
 
 Hello Everyone, 
 
 As a low vision Windows 7 and Mac Snow Leopard user, I access computers via
 a screen reader (JAWS) for Windows 7 and (VoiceOver) for Mac Snow Leopard.
 
 I also happen to be a very satisfied user of iPhone 3GS. 
 
 Included with the iPhone 3GS, at the time of purchase, is a very nice set 
 of
 Apple branded stereo earphones with inline 3-button remote control and
 microphone.  This included headset can be used to remotely control iPhone
 3GS volume level, dialing feature, and iPod App.  
 
 Since the release of iPhone 3GS, I have damaged the microphone on at least
 three sets of these headsets by various sundry accidents including getting
 the microphone wet. 
 
 The other day, while opening yet another pair of Apple iPhone 3GS 
 earphones,
 I decided to attach the older pair to my MacBook Pro. 
 
 What do you think I discovered?  You're right!  The inline remote control
 acts just like it does on my iPhone 3GS; that is, the volume buttons work 
 to
 change the volume level of the MacBook Pro and the middle button will open
 iTunes. When iTunes is playing media, the headset inline remote control
 functions to navigate the playback just as it does on the iPhone 3GS. 
 
 As a bonus, even when running Windows 7 in VM Ware's Fusion, the inline
 remote volume buttons continue to function normally. 
 
 So, go ahead and shove  that iPhone 3GS 3-button inline remote control
 headset with Microphone, attached to your MacBook Pro, in your ear.
 
 Enjoy,
 
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Re: Does anyone know if your mac saves energy when using the screen curtain?

[Sarah Alawami]

Ah so that's what I might be seeing or my eyes might still be goign nuts! lol!

Thanks for that info.
On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Michael Thurman wrote:

> don't forget the back light is still on. i verified this with my girlfriend 
> watching the apple logo in the lid of my macbook and with screen curtain on 
> you still can turn that  logo brighter or darker, so the backlight which uses 
> the energy is only turned off when you turn the brightness down all the way
> 
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> It will, but you  won't necessarily get privacy with the screen curtain on. 
>> you will still see a curser. what I do is lower the brightness to 0 percent 
>> with fn f1 or f1 depending on how my laptop  is set up then vo shft f11 to 
>> turn on the screen curtain.
>> 
>> S
>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Alfredo wrote:
>> 
>>> I currently have a laptop with jaws, and in order to save energy and
>>> prolong the life of the battery I dim the brightness to 1% of total
>>> when not pluged in.  I was reading that you can enable a screen
>>> curtain in Voice Over so to prevent others from seeing what you are
>>> doing.  This is great in itself, since it can protect your privacy,
>>> but I was wondering if this feature will also prolong the baterry life
>>> on a mac notebook.  If it does not, or if you guys do not know, is
>>> there a way to dim the brightness of the display in the mac OS to
>>> prolong the life of the battery inbetween charges?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> alfredo
>>> 
>>> PS I ahve a license unopened copy of ViewPlus AudioGraphing Calculator
>>> for sale, it cost 300 if bought fromt he company, I am selling mine
>>> for 250.  Send me an email if you are interested
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Re: deleting an app from the downloads folder

[Kimberly thurman]

Go to the bottom of the downloads list and it will say open in finder.  It has 
to be opened in finder in order for you to be able to send it to the trash.  hth
On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> When I enter the downloads folder from the dock and go to an item I want to 
> delete, I can't send it to the trash. That item is dimmed. I'm sure this 
> didn't use to be the case. I know I've deleted things from my download 
> folder. What am I missing? Also, I have noticed that now when I open the 
> macintosh hd item on my desktop, I go straight way into the table  for the 
> applications folder. I thiknk my sighted partner must have changed something, 
> as I am positive this behavior is new and not necessarily wanted, since there 
> doesn't seem to be a way to get the top level view of the hd any more, which 
> offered another way of getting at the downloads folder, among other things. 
> any advice?
> 
> Mary
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Free BBC News App now available for iPhone (outside of UK)

[Esther]

Hi,

The BBC News App initially released for the iPad only is now available  
as a universal binary for iPhone and iPod Touch as well.   
Unfortunately, due to commercial pressures from other media in the UK,  
the BBC are not yet able to offer this app in the UK, pending a review  
of the terms of their charge.  See the Guardian article titled "BBC  
told to delay iPhone apps" for details:



You can get the free BBC News app (available everywhere except the UK)  
from:



The app offers streaming from BBC World Services ("Live Radio" button  
at top left), as well as articles in various news categories.  The  
"Edit" button allows you to add other categories (e.g. for specific  
categories of interest like "Sports", "Entertainment", "Health", etc.  
or for additional news coverage for specific regions of the world) and  
also to reorder them, by using the "reorder" button at the right of  
each entry. (Double tap and hold the button, then drag the entry up or  
down before releasing.) It also allows you to add coverage for news in  
other languages.  (This will be more useful when we get the language  
rotor following the OS 4.0 release on June 21.)  Note that on the iPad  
the "Edit" button only appears when the device is in landscape mode  
and on the iPhone or iPod Touch this button only appears in portrait  
mode.  There are three unlabeled buttons at the bottom on the iPhone  
app once you have double tapped on a news category when you read  
individual articles.  These are:  a sharing button (bottom left) and  
font size smaller and larger buttons (bottom right). There should also  
be buttons to go forward and backwards to the next/previous article in  
each news category at the top right of the screen for each article.   
On my iPod Touch, the screen just "boinks" when I touch the top right  
corner.  To advance to the next or previous article I need to toggle  
VoiceOver off and swipe to the left or right.


They seem to have re-designed the app slightly to match the iPhone  
app.  I think the original release of the BBC app for the iPad worked  
better with VoiceOver for iPad users.  To go through the complete list  
of stories in each category I now toggle VoiceOver off and swipe to  
the left or right in the category strip. Within a category, I  
currently prefer reading in portrait mode on the iPad and landscape  
mode on the iPhone/iPod Touch.  The reason is that this gives a better  
browsing experience flicking through or touching the individual  
article titles (in the respective modes on iPod and iPad), and also  
displays more articles in each category before I have to toggle  
VoiceOver off and swipe (if I want to see more than just the first  
entries in the category).  The other reason for using landscape (in  
the case of the iPhone/iPod Touch) is when you stream from the "Live  
Radio" button, your player is launched in landscape mode (just as with  
movies, etc.), so it's easier to access the controls. (This is also  
true if you add the "Audio & Video" category to your selected  
categories; any selections you play will launch the player controls in  
landscape mode.)


You should all probably experiment on preferred settings and playback  
usage.  I'm mostly using the iPad for this app, since the layout and  
selection are much more convenient: many categories displayed at once,  
and you can start or stop the "Live Radio" and audio or video  
selections streaming without leaving the current screen display, etc.


I'm not sure whether the font adjustments help at all for low vision  
users, but as a tip, if you don't want to adjust these within the app  
screen using the unlabeled buttons on a per article basis, you can go  
to "Settings > BBC News > Article Font Size" in the main iPhone/iPod  
Touch/iPad Menu.  Incidentally, although those buttons are labeled in  
the iPad app, they now have ridiculously long and unhelpful names like  
"bottom bar text decker button" for the font size adjustment and "icon  
underscore header underscore button underscore s button" for the  
sharing button.  Also, off topic, but does anyone recognize the voice  
used for the "Help" button information at the bottom of the "Edit"  
screen of this app?  It's not the standard UK voice for the iPhone.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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Re: Free BBC News App now available for iPhone (outside of UK)

[Mary Otten]

thanks, Esther. How ironic that people in the UK can't get this app!

mary

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Audible.com site with safari 5

[Peggy Fleischer]

I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover keeps 
restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?


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Re: safari reader?

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Hi guys.  I'm not having trouble with safari 5 and VO, so can't say for sure 
that this will work, but one thing I'd suggest trying is to reset safari.  You 
can do this from the safari menu on the menu bar.
It will give you a dialog where you can select which things to clear.  You may 
not want to clear cookies if you use them to remember passwords and such, but 
it's probably safe to clear everything else.
I have seen reset safari fix things before, so it's certainly worth a try.
Darcy

On 2010-06-08, at 1:27 AM, May McDonald wrote:

> Smile, nope you're definitely not the only one.
> 
> May
> On 2010-06-07, at 10:10 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
> 
>> I'm glad I'm not the only one experiencing issues!
>> Olivia
>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:53 PM, May McDonald wrote:
>> 
>>> Ever since I upgrade to Safari 5 I get the Safari busy a lot now. It's 
>>> rather annoying.
>>> 
>>> May
>>> On 2010-06-07, at 9:50 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Everyone,
 I updated to Safari 5, but since the update, voiceover seems to keep 
 relaunching when I try and find out about Safari reader from the Apple 
 support site.  It keeps playing the OS 10 greeting.
 So I have a few questions:
 1. Is anyone else experiencing this issue? If so, does anyone know how I 
 might resolve it?
 2. What's Safari reader and how do I find out about and download it since 
 I can't seem to search the support pages with out my computer crashing and 
 voiceover constantly relaunching.
 I'd love any suggestions!
 Thanks, Olivia
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Re: safari reader?

[Peggy Fleischer]

Thanks Darcy!  I reset and it solved my audible.com problem.

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On Jun 8, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

> Hi guys.  I'm not having trouble with safari 5 and VO, so can't say for sure 
> that this will work, but one thing I'd suggest trying is to reset safari.  
> You can do this from the safari menu on the menu bar.
> It will give you a dialog where you can select which things to clear.  You 
> may not want to clear cookies if you use them to remember passwords and such, 
> but it's probably safe to clear everything else.
> I have seen reset safari fix things before, so it's certainly worth a try.
> Darcy
> 
> On 2010-06-08, at 1:27 AM, May McDonald wrote:
> 
>> Smile, nope you're definitely not the only one.
>> 
>> May
>> On 2010-06-07, at 10:10 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm glad I'm not the only one experiencing issues!
>>> Olivia
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:53 PM, May McDonald wrote:
>>> 
 Ever since I upgrade to Safari 5 I get the Safari busy a lot now. It's 
 rather annoying.
 
 May
 On 2010-06-07, at 9:50 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
 
> Hi Everyone,
> I updated to Safari 5, but since the update, voiceover seems to keep 
> relaunching when I try and find out about Safari reader from the Apple 
> support site.  It keeps playing the OS 10 greeting.
> So I have a few questions:
> 1. Is anyone else experiencing this issue? If so, does anyone know how I 
> might resolve it?
> 2. What's Safari reader and how do I find out about and download it since 
> I can't seem to search the support pages with out my computer crashing 
> and voiceover constantly relaunching.
> I'd love any suggestions!
> Thanks, Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
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Re: Victor Reader Softpak

[Christina]

I have not tried to order yet, I'm waiting until the middle of the month.  :)  
However, if you have trouble, you can call Humanware and place your order.  
Best of luck and I hope you don't have any trouble.  :) 
On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Olivia Norman wrote:

> Interesting.  No windows machines in this establishment, so I'll have to hope 
> there's some kind of safari work around!
> Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:17 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I had promised to report back on the success or failure of the Softpak 
>> recently announced and put out by HumanWare. Well, I have purchased it and 
>> here are my findings so far. Keep in mind that I haven't had it more than a 
>> day but even getting to that point was a challenge. Hopefully this message 
>> will help anyone who is curious about  the pak and whether it works with 
>> Audible content downloaded via Itunes.
>> 
>> The first thing I noticed when I tried to update is that Safari would get to 
>> the point on HumanWare's website where all the products were listed and 
>> crash. I'd go on to the homepage, hit VO U to bring up the links list, 
>> activate the shop link and as I'd scroll down, Safari would just close. No 
>> matter how many times I repeated this process Safari would do the same 
>> thing. I ended up ordering the Pak on my Windows machine through Mozila. 
>> Once installed, the Pak appears to work with books downloaded via Itunes. I 
>> haven't had the chance to test it out with MP4s purchased from the Itunes 
>> store however.  I wonder if this bugoon HumanWare's website will be 
>> corrected with the release of Safari 5. I hope this has been of some help to 
>> the list. Have a wonderful day!
>> 
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Re: Audible.com site with safari 5

[Ricardo Walker]

Yes,

I'm getting the same behavior.  Voiceover resets itself when you try to 
interact with the html content.  Very, very, annoying
On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:

> I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover keeps 
> restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?
> 
> 
>   Peggy Fleischer
> peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net
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> you 
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Re: Audible.com site with safari 5

[Kimberly thurman]

I've experienced this behavior several times today in Safari 5 and Web Kit.  
I've repaired disk permissions, reset Safari and Web Kit and still have issues. 
 
On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Yes,
> 
> I'm getting the same behavior.  Voiceover resets itself when you try to 
> interact with the html content.  Very, very, annoying
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:
> 
>> I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover keeps 
>> restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?
>> 
>> 
>>  Peggy Fleischer
>> peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>> Jude 1:24  Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present 
>> you 
>> faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
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>> and power, Both now and forever. Amen.
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Re: Solona screen protectors.

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I purchased 2 of the screen protectors for my iPod touch.  I have the full 
keyboard and the abbreviated versions.  I think they can help a person with the 
speed and accuracy of their typing.  More so the new iPhone/iPad/iPod touch 
user.  I don't know if these screen protectors will change your friends mind 
much.  I guess it would depends on why they felt an iPhone wasn't for them to 
begin with.  If they just didn't like tying on the virtual keyboard on the 
screen I think they will help a bit.  If they just don't like the UI of the 
Apple i products, it probably won't make too much of a difference.  I think the 
cost of the screen protectors make them worth a shot.  I personally like it.  I 
was looking for screen protectors anyway so why not ones that can help me in 
the use of the product?

hth
On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Anne that would be excellent, thank you.  Have you heard good things about
> them?
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: 08 June 2010 16:12
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Solona screen protectors.
> 
> Hello Dónal,
> 
> I'm waiting to receive samples of these screen protectors so that I can put
> together a bulk order for the members of the French CeciMac list. I'll let
> you know about them as soon as I get a look at them myself.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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>> My apologies to the mods if this is veering off topic, but I've been asked
>> by a friend of mine whether anyone has used the iPhone Solona tactile
> screen
>> protectors.
>> 
>> The summary of his situation is that he had an iPhone, and played with it
>> for quite some time before realising that the device wasn't for him.
>> However, he says that if the screen protector were any use, he'd be quite
>> happy to give it another shot, as he reckons the dots would greatly assist
>> him.
>> 
>> I'd appreciate any opinions, and I'll pass them on.  Again, if I've
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>> Cheers,
>> 
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Re: Audible.com site with safari 5

[Ricardo Walker]

Oh,

The problem with audible stopped after a reset of safari for me
On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> I've experienced this behavior several times today in Safari 5 and Web Kit.  
> I've repaired disk permissions, reset Safari and Web Kit and still have 
> issues.  
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Yes,
>> 
>> I'm getting the same behavior.  Voiceover resets itself when you try to 
>> interact with the html content.  Very, very, annoying
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:
>> 
>>> I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover 
>>> keeps restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peggy Fleischer
>>> peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net
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>>> present you 
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Re: Audible.com site with safari 5

[Olivia Norman]

Yes, same here. I have emailed accessibility about this, and urge others to do 
so. They're aware of it and working on a fix.
Olivia
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> I've experienced this behavior several times today in Safari 5 and Web Kit.  
> I've repaired disk permissions, reset Safari and Web Kit and still have 
> issues.  
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Yes,
>> 
>> I'm getting the same behavior.  Voiceover resets itself when you try to 
>> interact with the html content.  Very, very, annoying
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:
>> 
>>> I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover 
>>> keeps restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peggy Fleischer
>>> peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
>>> Jude 1:24  Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to 
>>> present you 
>>> faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
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>>> and power, Both now and forever. Amen.
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Re: Audible.com site with safari 5

[Olivia Norman]

Here's a kind of work around.  If you email yourself the link and launch the 
page that way, it seems to work. I am not sure why this is, though.
Olivia
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Yes,
> 
> I'm getting the same behavior.  Voiceover resets itself when you try to 
> interact with the html content.  Very, very, annoying
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:
> 
>> I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover keeps 
>> restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?
>> 
>> 
>>  Peggy Fleischer
>> peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>> Jude 1:24  Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present 
>> you 
>> faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
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>> and power, Both now and forever. Amen.
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Re: Audible.com site with safari 5

[Olivia Norman]

How do I reset web kit? I've reset safari, repaired permissions, emptied cash, 
and deleted and recreated my preferences, all to no avail.
Olivia
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> I've experienced this behavior several times today in Safari 5 and Web Kit.  
> I've repaired disk permissions, reset Safari and Web Kit and still have 
> issues.  
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Yes,
>> 
>> I'm getting the same behavior.  Voiceover resets itself when you try to 
>> interact with the html content.  Very, very, annoying
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:
>> 
>>> I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover 
>>> keeps restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peggy Fleischer
>>> peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
>>> Jude 1:24  Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to 
>>> present you 
>>> faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
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>>> and power, Both now and forever. Amen.
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Re: safari reader?

[Olivia Norman]

I've done this, no luck :(
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

> Hi guys.  I'm not having trouble with safari 5 and VO, so can't say for sure 
> that this will work, but one thing I'd suggest trying is to reset safari.  
> You can do this from the safari menu on the menu bar.
> It will give you a dialog where you can select which things to clear.  You 
> may not want to clear cookies if you use them to remember passwords and such, 
> but it's probably safe to clear everything else.
> I have seen reset safari fix things before, so it's certainly worth a try.
> Darcy
> 
> On 2010-06-08, at 1:27 AM, May McDonald wrote:
> 
>> Smile, nope you're definitely not the only one.
>> 
>> May
>> On 2010-06-07, at 10:10 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm glad I'm not the only one experiencing issues!
>>> Olivia
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:53 PM, May McDonald wrote:
>>> 
 Ever since I upgrade to Safari 5 I get the Safari busy a lot now. It's 
 rather annoying.
 
 May
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> Hi Everyone,
> I updated to Safari 5, but since the update, voiceover seems to keep 
> relaunching when I try and find out about Safari reader from the Apple 
> support site.  It keeps playing the OS 10 greeting.
> So I have a few questions:
> 1. Is anyone else experiencing this issue? If so, does anyone know how I 
> might resolve it?
> 2. What's Safari reader and how do I find out about and download it since 
> I can't seem to search the support pages with out my computer crashing 
> and voiceover constantly relaunching.
> I'd love any suggestions!
> Thanks, Olivia
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Re: Audible.com site with safari 5

[Peggy Fleischer]

Reseting Safari seems to have fixed the audible problem for me. 

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On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:

> Yes, same here. I have emailed accessibility about this, and urge others to 
> do so. They're aware of it and working on a fix.
> Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> I've experienced this behavior several times today in Safari 5 and Web Kit.  
>> I've repaired disk permissions, reset Safari and Web Kit and still have 
>> issues.  
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes,
>>> 
>>> I'm getting the same behavior.  Voiceover resets itself when you try to 
>>> interact with the html content.  Very, very, annoying
>>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:
>>> 
 I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover 
 keeps restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?
 
 
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Re: Study/Highlighting App ?

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Claire,

The only OCR I know of for the Mac is Abbyy Reader I think it's called. But 
I've heard it doesn't work that well. I hope that helps.

Allison

On Jun 7, 2010, at 6:59 AM, claire amoroso wrote:

> Hi !
> I am a college student and have just discovered the Kurzweil 3000 program for 
> the Mac. I really like its highlighting capabilities and note-taking 
> features. Would anyone know of a similar (and preferably cheaper) app for the 
> Mac ? 
> Thanks,
> Claire
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Re: Audible.com site with safari 5

[Kimberly thurman]

It's in the Web Kit menu.  It says reset Safari though.
On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:

> How do I reset web kit? I've reset safari, repaired permissions, emptied 
> cash, and deleted and recreated my preferences, all to no avail.
> Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> I've experienced this behavior several times today in Safari 5 and Web Kit.  
>> I've repaired disk permissions, reset Safari and Web Kit and still have 
>> issues.  
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes,
>>> 
>>> I'm getting the same behavior.  Voiceover resets itself when you try to 
>>> interact with the html content.  Very, very, annoying
>>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:
>>> 
 I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover 
 keeps restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?
 
 
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Re: Audible.com site with safari 5

[Teresa Cochran]

Same here. Well, I guess the kinks haven't been worked out of the new version 
of Safari yet.

Teresa
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> I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover keeps 
> restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?
> 
> 
>   Peggy Fleischer
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> 
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Re: Tivo

[hank smith]

how do I access tevo threw web interface?

Hank Smith
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Melaleuca INC.
the wellness company
- Original Message - 
From: "Darcy Burnard" 
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by 
theblind" 

Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: Tivo


Hi.  I have been using a tivo for the last few months now, and now  can't 
imagine life without it.  The web interface works very well for 
scheduling recordings.  You can use the web to schedule individual 
recordings, and season passes.  A season pass is what Tivo calls it  when 
you record a show whenever it comes on.  I really enjoy the fact  that I 
can schedule recordings on the web, because not only is it  accessible, 
but I can do it while away from home.  I've been staying  at Holly's for 
the last while now, and I can still schedule recordings  on my Tivo that's 
sitting at home.  I've been watching said recordings  through my slingbox, 
which by the way works extremely well with the  Mac and VO.
All that being said, is there any way to get the content off the tivo 
with a mac that does not involve toast?  I'd rather not buy toast if I 
can avoid it because by all accounts VO access is lacking.

Darcy

On 30-Mar-08, at 12:09 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:

Hi,

Ok, let me try to address the follow up questions you folks have  asked.
1.  How good is Tivo for a blind guy?
Tough question.  The actual TV UI is not at all.  The remote does  give 
you nice audio feedback for the buttons, but the setup and  programming 
of recordings would be quite hard without seeing.  That  said, I love 
Tivo, I can see on My Mac all the things Tivo recorded  and I can 
transfer and play them on my Mac with Toast and the Tivo  Transfer 
application.  And, I have not tried this, but you can  program your Tivo 
at the Tivo web site.  This may be a practical  work around for 
programming your Tivo.  Granted, I have not tried  it.  My Tivo 
recordings are limited to all shows with stargate or  battlestar in their 
title.  Hi, my name is Scott and I'm a sci-fi  junkie.  [Yep, I know 
those of you who will hold that against me!]


Also, Tivo exposes my iTunes playlists to my stereo.  And, if you  have 
an iPhoto library, it will show your albums on your TV for  friends and 
family.


2.  How do I rip the audio from a DVD?
The Handbrake application can do this.  If it's a copy protected  DVD, I 
believe audio hijack can do this too.


3.  Toast compared to Disk Utility?
Yes, as I mentioned, Disk Utility can copy stuff too.  I personally  find 
the work flow of Toast easier and faster for this function.  Although 
yes, Toast does cost a lot for what I think it does.


Please be aware that there are three versions of Tivo in existence. 
Series 1, Series 2, and Series 3.  Series 1 was the original Tivo  and 
requires a phone jack.  It won't connect to your network.  Avoid  a used 
series 1 like the plague.  A series 2 is a big step up.  It  has a USB 
port for a wireless or ethernet adapter.  This is the kind  that can join 
your network.  The series 3 is the HD version.


Hope this helps.

Best,
Scott




how accessible is tevo period to operate buy a blind guy?
I found a tevo at a good will for 15 bucks
am so tempted to buy it
thing is friggen huge though
- Original Message - From: "Scott Bresnahan"  
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac  OS X 
by theblind" 

Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 3:05 PM
Subject: Toast WAS: Re: copying a data CD



Hi,

I can give you a little more info about Toast 8.  I'm not sure  what's 
new in 9.  If you run the Toast application, I think it's  totally 
unusable with VoiceOver.  Practically nothing is available  in the main 
window, and not all commands are available via the  menus.  So, if you 
want to build a dvd or audio CD using Toast, I  think you are out of 
luck.  That said, I do think it is easy to  copy a DVD or CD using 
Toast, or even burning disk data to a  backup.  I do all these things 
via the contextual menu "Toast It"  option, which basically takes any 
finder object (CD, Volume,  folder, file) and lets you burn it to disk. 
It still takes you to  the main toast application and main unusable 
window, but all the  data is pre-populated just the way you need it, 
and you just hit  burn from the menu.  So, in that limited way, I think 
Toast is  nice.  But, I have no idea of the slew of other features I'm 
missing.  But frankly, I use iTunes to burn music CDs if I even  bother 
anymore, and and I don't really use the other toast features.


I will say that the Tivo Transfer application is nice and mostly  Voice 
Over friendly.  I use Tivo Transfer to backup stuff on my  computer 
more often that I burn using Toast.


I know that's not much more info than I gave the first time, but  if 
you have a specific work flow or task you think you might want  to use 
Toast for, I'd be happy to comment on that process.


Best,
Scott






Hi Scott,

The only ver

Re: Audible.com site with safari 5

[Teresa Cochran]

Odd; me, too. Well, that bit's fixed anyhow.

Teresa
On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Oh,
> 
> The problem with audible stopped after a reset of safari for me
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> I've experienced this behavior several times today in Safari 5 and Web Kit.  
>> I've repaired disk permissions, reset Safari and Web Kit and still have 
>> issues.  
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes,
>>> 
>>> I'm getting the same behavior.  Voiceover resets itself when you try to 
>>> interact with the html content.  Very, very, annoying
>>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:
>>> 
 I am finding that safari crashes with the audible web site.  Voiceover 
 keeps restarting.  Has anyone else tried audible?
 
 
Peggy Fleischer
 peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net
 
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emusic download manager?

[erik burggraaf]

hi,  is any one using emusic download manager?  It went from kind'a sort'a OK, 
to pretty bad, to downright awful.  Now I had to cancel in January, but things 
are looking up here and I was thinking of resubscribing.  At the moment I'm 
leaning toward kitabe, but fact of the matter is, between the two services, 
each has selection that the other one doesn't have.  It would be nice to get 
both and just not top out.  Unfortunately emusic download manager was a 
complete shambles last time I saw it, and now I can't even find emusic 
audiobook pricing on the website.  This is by way  of being my last ditch 
effort to find info, so I would appreciate any of your experiences with the 
current emusic download manager.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
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safari 5 and the audible site

[Mary Otten]

I found that resetting safari worked with Audible until I signed in and then I 
got the crashing again. I had to clear cookies in order to be able to access 
the page at all. but as soon as I signed in, thus setting a cooky, the crashing 
started again, rendering the site essentially unusable. Here's hoping they get 
a fix soon.

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work around for safari 5 and audible bug

[Holly Anderson]

Hi all.  I've figured out a work around for the safari five reseting voiceover 
bug.  If you do a google search for audible, click the link for the official 
site it will work.  then if you either copy that link and use it, or bookmark 
the page it will not reset voiceover when launched.

I know it's not a perfect solution, but it's at least a work around.
Holly

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Re: work around for safari 5 and audible bug

[Barry Hadder]

Hi Holly,

I still seem to be having the vo restart problem after I'm signed in.  Another 
work-around I've found which is far less than perfect, is to disable java 
script.  I am able to navigate with the vo cursor after signing in.  However, I 
haven't tested all of the functionality of the sight after doing this.

On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Holly Anderson wrote:

> Hi all.  I've figured out a work around for the safari five reseting 
> voiceover bug.  If you do a google search for audible, click the link for the 
> official site it will work.  then if you either copy that link and use it, or 
> bookmark the page it will not reset voiceover when launched.
> 
> I know it's not a perfect solution, but it's at least a work around.
> Holly
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Re: Solona screen protectors.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Thanks very much indeed Ricardo.  My friend's problem is that he finds the 
touchscreen hard to use.

Thanks.
On 8 Jun 2010, at 19:46, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I purchased 2 of the screen protectors for my iPod touch.  I have the full 
> keyboard and the abbreviated versions.  I think they can help a person with 
> the speed and accuracy of their typing.  More so the new iPhone/iPad/iPod 
> touch user.  I don't know if these screen protectors will change your friends 
> mind much.  I guess it would depends on why they felt an iPhone wasn't for 
> them to begin with.  If they just didn't like tying on the virtual keyboard 
> on the screen I think they will help a bit.  If they just don't like the UI 
> of the Apple i products, it probably won't make too much of a difference.  I 
> think the cost of the screen protectors make them worth a shot.  I personally 
> like it.  I was looking for screen protectors anyway so why not ones that can 
> help me in the use of the product?
> 
> hth
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Anne that would be excellent, thank you.  Have you heard good things about
>> them?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>> Sent: 08 June 2010 16:12
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Solona screen protectors.
>> 
>> Hello Dónal,
>> 
>> I'm waiting to receive samples of these screen protectors so that I can put
>> together a bulk order for the members of the French CeciMac list. I'll let
>> you know about them as soon as I get a look at them myself.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> My apologies to the mods if this is veering off topic, but I've been asked
>>> by a friend of mine whether anyone has used the iPhone Solona tactile
>> screen
>>> protectors.
>>> 
>>> The summary of his situation is that he had an iPhone, and played with it
>>> for quite some time before realising that the device wasn't for him.
>>> However, he says that if the screen protector were any use, he'd be quite
>>> happy to give it another shot, as he reckons the dots would greatly assist
>>> him.
>>> 
>>> I'd appreciate any opinions, and I'll pass them on.  Again, if I've
>> drifted
>>> off topic, do please feel free to respond to me off-list rather than
>>> cluttering up people's mailboxes.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
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Bootcamp questions

[Graham]

Hi, 

A friend and I tried installing Windows XP via bootcamp. 
We made the partition, all seemed to go well. 
In the pdf instructions it said we'd need the bootcamp drivers off the Mac os 
10.6 disk. 
However there doesn't seem to be any. 
We ran the Windows install and again all went well as XP seemed to have loaded. 
However there was no sound. 

We rebooted the Mac but we can't see anything that says boot in to Windows. 
We can see the partition which shows as unknown volume.  
I then downloaded the Bootcamp 3.1.exe file from apple support but I'm unsure 
where exactly this is supposed to be installed. 

Can anyone help. 
Hope the above makes sense been a long evening :-)

Kind regards

Graham

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Going Back to Old Safari

[Teresa Cochran]

So would Time Machine be the most efficient way to go back to the previous 
Safari?

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Re: Exercising and iPod

[Brett Campbell]

An app called iTreadmill is an excellent and accessible app.  It works with 
iPhone and iPod Touch.  The other Brett introduced me to this app.


Brett C.

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> All:
> I'm looking for some soart of software that I can put on an iPod, a Nano, or
> an iPhone that will keep track of how many miles I run while on the
> treadmill. Has anyone found a solution? If so, what device, and what
> software are you using.
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Re: safari 5 and the audible site

[Barry Hadder]

Hi,

I was just able to determine that the problem seem to be when I initially sign 
in.  It seems that when I return to Audible after signing in, there isn't any 
problems.  I mentioned in another post that I tried disabling java script, but 
this is with it enabled.

On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> I found that resetting safari worked with Audible until I signed in and then 
> I got the crashing again. I had to clear cookies in order to be able to 
> access the page at all. but as soon as I signed in, thus setting a cooky, the 
> crashing started again, rendering the site essentially unusable. Here's 
> hoping they get a fix soon.
> 
> mary
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Re: safari 5 skipping large blocks of text. Any work arounds?

[Yvonne Thomson]

I haven't experienced this, but there are a couple of other weird things. My 
theory is that 10.6.4 will fix most of these. That's what happened with the 
last major Safari release, anyway.

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Finder Question

[Linda Adams]

I have a question about the following excerpt from Chapter 3. Learning
Mac OS X Basics in the Voiceover Getting Guide.
 
First, here is the excerpt:
To set a default view for new Finder windows, choose Finder >
Preferences, click General, and then select a view from the pop-up menu.
 
Now my question- I tried following these instructions and could not
locate the "General".  Right now I am using the list view and want to
use that on all finder windows.
 
Here is what I did:
I pressed Command comma for the finder preferences
>From there I tried looking everywhere but can't find "General"
I did find a "New Finders Window" pop up button
I pressed VO space and down arrowed to "Other"
>From there I did a right arrow and selected "list mode"
then I backed my way out.
 
So, will that set the default for new finder windows?
 
TIA,
Linda
 
 

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Re: A couple of questions about the Macbook

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
You need your student ID or library card and the zip code of your college or 
school that you are attending.
Sent from my brand new Macbook,
Courtney
On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Christina wrote:

> What do you need to bring or show them at the apple store to get the student 
> discount?  Thanks.  :)
> On Jun 7, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> I bought my Macbook in December at the Apple Store and, yes, they gave me 
>> the student discount.  I would bet they offer the same deal in the store 
>> including the IPod Touch.  Just remember, you can't use the IPod Touch they 
>> are offering with this deal, as it does not support speech.  It is the $199 
>> 8 gig IPod Touch that does not support Voice Over.  I have heard a rumor 
>> that you can use the $199 toward a device that does have speech though.  hth
>> On Jun 6, 2010, at 11:23 PM, Ana G wrote:
>> 
>>> I bought my MacBook Pro from Amazon. The Amazon price is about 50 dollars 
>>> less, and I didn't have to pay sales tax. that saved me a little less than 
>>> 200 dollars in total. that doesn't work, of course, if you want a custome 
>>> system.
>>> 
>>> If you're a college student, you can probably get the student discount by 
>>> buying through your university. The university here in town and about half 
>>> of the community colleges in the area, sell PC's and Macs through their 
>>> bookstores, which are open over the summer. The student discount is 
>>> relatively small, roughly equalling the sales tax.
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Re: solona

[Jude DaShiell]

There's an application for mac computers to use solona.net over on 
http://cattail.nu which can make use of solona.net easier.  The programmer 
that wrote it tested it on my mac mini and discovered and fixed a couple 
bugs as a result too.  The programmer is known to the solona.net site too. 
Stuff to check out on that page for them that like to play in the mud is 
the notes on ancientanguish.org and the link for solona application is 
http://www.cattail.nu/mac/solona/. On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Allison Manzino 
wrote:



Hi there,
The site for Solona is:
http://www.solona.net

Musically,
Allison

On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:


What is the website?
On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:


I am talking about the website. I don't use the terminal version.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:


Hi,
I only see the terminal version of Solona, that's the one I've got. Are we 
referring to the same thing?

On 05/06/2010, at 6:28 in the Afternoon, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:


Courtney, there's a submit captia button on Solona.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:


Hi,
I know how to take a screenshot, but I don't know what you mean by submit to 
Solona. I know there's a way to do it through the terminal, is that what you're 
talking about?
Courtney
On 05/06/2010, at 5:29 in the Afternoon, Orin wrote:


Yeah. I believe that us Mac users need a GUI app, Qwitter is the best example 
for solving captchas that's also the easiest on windows as well. We need 
something like that.


On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:


I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
followed them, and thats how I get my captchas solved.  I would suggest
that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
about a month or so.
Alfredo

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Re: solona

[Sarah Alawami]

It is not an easy app to ue though as it requires the terminal. I think the 
site is easier to use.


s
On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> There's an application for mac computers to use solona.net over on 
> http://cattail.nu which can make use of solona.net easier.  The programmer 
> that wrote it tested it on my mac mini and discovered and fixed a couple bugs 
> as a result too.  The programmer is known to the solona.net site too. Stuff 
> to check out on that page for them that like to play in the mud is the notes 
> on ancientanguish.org and the link for solona application is 
> http://www.cattail.nu/mac/solona/. On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> The site for Solona is:
>> http://www.solona.net
>> 
>> Musically,
>> Allison
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the website?
>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 I am talking about the website. I don't use the terminal version.
 On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
 
> Hi,
> I only see the terminal version of Solona, that's the one I've got. Are 
> we referring to the same thing?
> 
> On 05/06/2010, at 6:28 in the Afternoon, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> Courtney, there's a submit captia button on Solona.
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I know how to take a screenshot, but I don't know what you mean by 
>>> submit to Solona. I know there's a way to do it through the terminal, 
>>> is that what you're talking about?
>>> Courtney
>>> On 05/06/2010, at 5:29 in the Afternoon, Orin wrote:
>>> 
 Yeah. I believe that us Mac users need a GUI app, Qwitter is the best 
 example for solving captchas that's also the easiest on windows as 
 well. We need something like that.
 
 
 On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:
 
> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
> followed them, and thats how I get my captchas solved.  I would 
> suggest
> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
> computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
> about a month or so.
> Alfredo
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Re: Finder Question

[Sarah Alawami]

Thre's an easier way.

1. open a folder, any folder with in finder, 2 choose what you want it to do. 
if you want table mode press command 2. if you want browser mode hit command 3.

Thas is much easier to so as it will stick.

S
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> I have a question about the following excerpt from Chapter 3. Learning Mac OS 
> X Basics in the Voiceover Getting Guide.
>  
> First, here is the excerpt:
> To set a default view for new Finder windows, choose Finder > Preferences, 
> click General, and then select a view from the pop-up menu.
>  
> Now my question- I tried following these instructions and could not locate 
> the "General".  Right now I am using the list view and want to use that on 
> all finder windows.
>  
> Here is what I did:
> I pressed Command comma for the finder preferences
> From there I tried looking everywhere but can't find "General"
> I did find a "New Finders Window" pop up button
> I pressed VO space and down arrowed to "Other"
> From there I did a right arrow and selected "list mode"
> then I backed my way out.
>  
> So, will that set the default for new finder windows?
>  
> TIA,
> Linda
>  
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Re: ichat bug?

[Justin Kauflin]

I'd like to second your issue.  So far I haven't been able to find a
solution.  Very strange bug, and very annoying as well.  Would also
appreciate any points in the right direction.

On Jun 7, 10:41 pm, Chantel Cuddemi  wrote:
> Hi all,
> Since I've updated to the new safari, I am noticing a very strange bug in 
> ichat. Branodn Misch has emailed Accessibility on this issue.
> Whenever I get an IM on ichat, I have to interact with the message twice.
> Any thoughts? Will this be fixed soon?
> Thanks,
> Chantel.

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Re: ichat bug?

[Chantel Cuddemi]

Justin, you need to interact with the message twice. That's the only work 
around I see for now. 
On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Justin Kauflin wrote:

> I'd like to second your issue.  So far I haven't been able to find a
> solution.  Very strange bug, and very annoying as well.  Would also
> appreciate any points in the right direction.
> 
> On Jun 7, 10:41 pm, Chantel Cuddemi  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Since I've updated to the new safari, I am noticing a very strange bug in 
>> ichat. Branodn Misch has emailed Accessibility on this issue.
>> Whenever I get an IM on ichat, I have to interact with the message twice.
>> Any thoughts? Will this be fixed soon?
>> Thanks,
>> Chantel.
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Re: safari 5 and the audible site

[Mary Otten]

Hi Barry,
Can you describe what you mean by initially signing and then coming back to the 
site and having no problems? I reset safari, including letting it get rid of 
cookies. then I went to the site and it was fine. I signed in and it crashed. I 
went to another site, Amazon.com and then came back to audible and got another 
crash. I closed the browser and tried again. Crash. Any time I have theaudible 
cooky present, I can't access the site at all. Its absolutely not usable for 
anything except maybe browsing, for which the cooky wouldn't be required, I 
don't guess. I'm glad I have a pc with an active audible account so am not 
dependent on this Mac.

Mary

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Re: safari 5 and the audible site

[Teresa Cochran]

It actually worked for me when I signed in, then reloaded the page (command-r). 
I have to reload the page a second time each time I go there, but that's worlds 
better than not being able to use it at all. YMMV and all that jazz, of course.

Teresa
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> Hi Barry,
> Can you describe what you mean by initially signing and then coming back to 
> the site and having no problems? I reset safari, including letting it get rid 
> of cookies. then I went to the site and it was fine. I signed in and it 
> crashed. I went to another site, Amazon.com and then came back to audible and 
> got another crash. I closed the browser and tried again. Crash. Any time I 
> have theaudible cooky present, I can't access the site at all. Its absolutely 
> not usable for anything except maybe browsing, for which the cooky wouldn't 
> be required, I don't guess. I'm glad I have a pc with an active audible 
> account so am not dependent on this Mac.
> 
> Mary
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Re: safari 5 and the audible site

[Barry Hadder]

Well, Now it isn't working.  It did work previously though, and I almost got it 
to work just now.  Seems to be very unpredictable.  Every body's best bet at 
the moment is to turn off java script and see if they can use the sight.  I 
should say that I've purchased things at Amazon with no js enabled, so some 
times it can be done.


On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Barry,
> Can you describe what you mean by initially signing and then coming back to 
> the site and having no problems? I reset safari, including letting it get rid 
> of cookies. then I went to the site and it was fine. I signed in and it 
> crashed. I went to another site, Amazon.com and then came back to audible and 
> got another crash. I closed the browser and tried again. Crash. Any time I 
> have theaudible cooky present, I can't access the site at all. Its absolutely 
> not usable for anything except maybe browsing, for which the cooky wouldn't 
> be required, I don't guess. I'm glad I have a pc with an active audible 
> account so am not dependent on this Mac.
> 
> Mary
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Re: safari 5 and the audible site

[Barry Hadder]

I just made it work again and I have no idea how.I refreshed the page, and 
all I can think of is that there seems to be a timing issue in which you have 
to get vo into the content at just the right time while the page is loading.
This aught to keep everyone busi for a while. 



On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Barry,
> Can you describe what you mean by initially signing and then coming back to 
> the site and having no problems? I reset safari, including letting it get rid 
> of cookies. then I went to the site and it was fine. I signed in and it 
> crashed. I went to another site, Amazon.com and then came back to audible and 
> got another crash. I closed the browser and tried again. Crash. Any time I 
> have theaudible cooky present, I can't access the site at all. Its absolutely 
> not usable for anything except maybe browsing, for which the cooky wouldn't 
> be required, I don't guess. I'm glad I have a pc with an active audible 
> account so am not dependent on this Mac.
> 
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Re: Exercising and iPod

[Kimberly thurman]

I did a search in the ITunes store for this and couldn't find it.  Could it be 
called something else?  
On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:

> An app called iTreadmill is an excellent and accessible app.  It works with 
> iPhone and iPod Touch.  The other Brett introduced me to this app.
> 
> 
> Brett C.
> 
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Sarai D. Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> All:
>> I'm looking for some soart of software that I can put on an iPod, a Nano, or
>> an iPhone that will keep track of how many miles I run while on the
>> treadmill. Has anyone found a solution? If so, what device, and what
>> software are you using.
>> 
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Re: work around for safari 5 and audible bug

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Holly,

What a great idea. Thanks so much, I'm an Audible junky smile. I haven't 
experienced the same problem some on the list have but VoiceOver did crash  
completely when I tried to launch Audible the first time. I had to do a forced 
shut down and then reopen Safari Five. Thank you so much for your work around, 
I will bookmark the Audible site just in case. Have a wonderful day.

Allison


On Jun 8, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Holly Anderson wrote:

> Hi all.  I've figured out a work around for the safari five reseting 
> voiceover bug.  If you do a google search for audible, click the link for the 
> official site it will work.  then if you either copy that link and use it, or 
> bookmark the page it will not reset voiceover when launched.
> 
> I know it's not a perfect solution, but it's at least a work around.
> Holly
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Re: emusic download manager?

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Erik,

I used Emusic in the past, but it was on Windows. I unsubscribed because they 
got too expensive. Have you tried  mp3 fiesta? I use them and Itunes 
exclusively for all my music needs. If you want to check them out, the link is:
http://www.mp3fiesta.com

I think they also have audio books as well. I hope that was of some help. Have 
a wonderful day.

Allison
On Jun 8, 2010, at 4:03 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> hi,  is any one using emusic download manager?  It went from kind'a sort'a 
> OK, to pretty bad, to downright awful.  Now I had to cancel in January, but 
> things are looking up here and I was thinking of resubscribing.  At the 
> moment I'm leaning toward kitabe, but fact of the matter is, between the two 
> services, each has selection that the other one doesn't have.  It would be 
> nice to get both and just not top out.  Unfortunately emusic download manager 
> was a complete shambles last time I saw it, and now I can't even find emusic 
> audiobook pricing on the website.  This is by way  of being my last ditch 
> effort to find info, so I would appreciate any of your experiences with the 
> current emusic download manager.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> Toll-free: 888-255-5194
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Re: Exercising and iPod

[Charlie Doremus]

Try footsteps - pedometer free it can be found in the iTunes store

Sent from the iPad I wish I had

On Jun 8, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Kimberly thurman  wrote:

> I did a search in the ITunes store for this and couldn't find it.  Could it 
> be called something else?  
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:
> 
>> An app called iTreadmill is an excellent and accessible app.  It works with 
>> iPhone and iPod Touch.  The other Brett introduced me to this app.
>> 
>> 
>> Brett C.
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Sarai D. Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> All:
>>> I'm looking for some soart of software that I can put on an iPod, a Nano, or
>>> an iPhone that will keep track of how many miles I run while on the
>>> treadmill. Has anyone found a solution? If so, what device, and what
>>> software are you using.
>>> 
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Re: Exercising and iPod

[Kimberly thurman]

Ah thanks!  I did see this.  
On Jun 8, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

> Try footsteps - pedometer free it can be found in the iTunes store
> 
> Sent from the iPad I wish I had
> 
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Kimberly thurman  wrote:
> 
>> I did a search in the ITunes store for this and couldn't find it.  Could it 
>> be called something else?  
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:
>> 
>>> An app called iTreadmill is an excellent and accessible app.  It works with 
>>> iPhone and iPod Touch.  The other Brett introduced me to this app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Brett C.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Sarai D. Bucciarelli wrote:
>>> 
 All:
 I'm looking for some soart of software that I can put on an iPod, a Nano, 
 or
 an iPhone that will keep track of how many miles I run while on the
 treadmill. Has anyone found a solution? If so, what device, and what
 software are you using.
 
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RE: Finder Question

[Linda Adams]

Thanks.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
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Subject: Re: Finder Question


Thre's an easier way.

1. open a folder, any folder with in finder, 2 choose what you want it
to do. if you want table mode press command 2. if you want browser mode
hit command 3.

Thas is much easier to so as it will stick.

S
On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Linda Adams wrote:

> I have a question about the following excerpt from Chapter 3. Learning

> Mac OS X Basics in the Voiceover Getting Guide.
>  
> First, here is the excerpt:
> To set a default view for new Finder windows, choose Finder > 
> Preferences, click General, and then select a view from the pop-up
menu.
>  
> Now my question- I tried following these instructions and could not 
> locate the "General".  Right now I am using the list view and want to
use that on all finder windows.
>  
> Here is what I did:
> I pressed Command comma for the finder preferences
> From there I tried looking everywhere but can't find "General" I did 
> find a "New Finders Window" pop up button I pressed VO space and down 
> arrowed to "Other" From there I did a right arrow and selected "list 
> mode" then I backed my way out.
>  
> So, will that set the default for new finder windows?
>  
> TIA,
> Linda
>  
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RE: Programmers Editor

[Bryan Smart]

Hi.

The iPhone OS, now just called iOS, uses a windowing toolkit that is based on 
Cocoa, but isn't the same. The class names are different, and parts of the 
classes themselves are different. Beyond that, the layout of the interfaces of 
an iOS application isn't very much like a desktop application. So, for 
RenaissanceX to work on Cocoa Touch, the tag engine and auto-layout engine will 
need to be reworked.

It isn't that I don't believe that something like RenaissanceX can be created 
for iOS. I originally thought that RenaissanceX could support either Cocoa or 
Cocoa Touch from the same framework. However, I now think that a completely 
separate system will be required. That's too bad. RenaissanceX is focused at 
blind devs on the Mac, but it stems from Renaissance, a larger cross-platform 
effort to abstractly describe interfaces for programs so that they can be run 
on all OpenStep type operating systems. Because of that, RenaissanceX can pool 
its development with people that are interested in the larger Renaissance 
project. Forking will create another project that it will be all on me to 
maintain. Renaissance gets little development help, even given its wide 
community. So far, only one other person has been able to assist me with 
RenaissanceX development, and that was by contributing sample projects. People 
just don't have much time to give to free projects. If I fork, I believe that 
I'll be all by myself when it comes to the actual programming.

Further, Apple might not even allow RenaissanceX on iOS. The developer 
agreement in iOS 4 has been revised in such a way that might prohibit it. I 
think that the changes are primarily targeted at keeping people from using 
Flash cross-compiling tools, but it still applies to what we'd like to do. In 
short, the new section 3.31 says that applications aren't allowed to call Cocoa 
Touch APIs indirectly (through a framework or translation layer). RenaissanceX 
works by sub-classing Cocoa objects in order to add the automatic layout 
behavior. I don't think that this sort of issue is what Apple has in mind, but 
I can't tell you how profoundly angry and frustrated I'll feel if I port 
RenaissanceX, and Apple starts rejecting apps for using it. There are only 3 
ways to make a user interface on iOS: use Interface Builder (inaccessible), do 
it programmatically (incredibly slow), or use a tool to build the UI 
programmatically through macro type functions (RenaissanceX). If they won't 
allow RenaissanceX, then blind devs will need to create all UIs by hand. That 
is practically impossible without a profound amount of effort, and vision, 
since VoiceOver can't tell you if your programmatically generated user 
interface objects overlap other controls, are obscured, etc.

I doubt that I can get an official waver for RenaissanceX. So, I'll just have 
to put in the time, and accept that their is a high likelihood that all of the 
work will be for nothing. Of course, Apple could solve this problem by making 
an accessible way for blind people to use their official interface building 
tools. The word on that, though, is no interest, not at this time, etc. It's 
disappointing. I suppose that I'll have to try, though.

Bryan

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On Behalf Of Dónal Fitzpatrick
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:06 AM
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Subject: Re: Programmers Editor

Hi Brian,
What issues are you having with the port to Iphone OS?  I'm also wondering 
whether it might be better to hold off on a port now till after the release of 
the SDK for version 4.0?  That's going to change our coding landscape rather 
considerably methinks.  However, I'd love to get involved and help with any 
kind of port to the iPHone os.  I like RenaissanceX rather a lot.  Well done on 
a great effort.

Dónal
On 7 Jun 2010, at 05:47, Bryan Smart wrote:

> I haven't figured out a way to start it, but VoiceOver seems to be included 
> with the simulator.
> 
> Won't do you much good, though. No way to design your user interface for the 
> iPhone, unless you create all of the user interface objects by hand in code. 
> Interface Builder, where you'd normally make the interface, isn't accessible, 
> and my RenaissanceX project can only make desktop interfaces right now. I'd 
> hoped to port it to iPhone OS fairly quick, but that's taking more work than 
> I'd thought. Apple doesn't exactly use Cocoa on the iPhone. Cocoa Touch might 
> sound like a similar API, but it is quite different.
> 
> Bryan
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr.
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Programmers Editor
> 
> how about the simulator? is it accessible yet?  I really want to make an 
> iphone web ap for my business, but the last time i checked, the sof

Re: Exercising and iPod

[Brett Campbell]

It's the strangest thing.  I also couldn't find it in a search, so I googled it 
and found a direct link to it through a couple of reviews.  The links brought 
up a message in the iTunes store saying the app is currently not available in 
the U.S. store.  My   uneducated guess is that the developer is about to submit 
 an update.  It really is great, and an update just came out a week or so ago.  
The developer has been quite mindful of VoiceOver.  I'm guessing it will show 
up soon.
iTreadmill:Pedometer Ultra w/ PocketStep



Brett C.

On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> I did a search in the ITunes store for this and couldn't find it.  Could it 
> be called something else?  
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:
> 
>> An app called iTreadmill is an excellent and accessible app.  It works with 
>> iPhone and iPod Touch.  The other Brett introduced me to this app.
>> 
>> 
>> Brett C.
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Sarai D. Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> All:
>>> I'm looking for some soart of software that I can put on an iPod, a Nano, or
>>> an iPhone that will keep track of how many miles I run while on the
>>> treadmill. Has anyone found a solution? If so, what device, and what
>>> software are you using.
>>> 
>>> Sarai Come join me on Swagbucks! It's free! Sign up at
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iTreadmill

[Sarai D. Bucciarelli]

The app looks cool. Are all parts accessible?
http://www.itreadmill.net/iTreadmill/How_To_Use.html

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safari role back unsuccessful

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
I thought time machine was suppose to let you role back an app or whatever else 
you need to do. I did that with Safari, going back to June 6 back up. But even 
though the get info command shows I have the old safari installed, I still 
can't access audible and my Ichat is broken, just as others have reported. How 
come, when I went back to safari 4, the problems didn't go away? I also deleted 
the new webkit I had recently installed. No help there. what am I doing wrong? 
this is as frustrating as anything I've seen with Windows.

mary

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Safari 5 and Audible.com

[Dan Roy]

I have already reported this to accessibil...@apple.com.

I am having the same problem with Audible as several others have already 
reported.  However, in my case, using webkit is no different than using Safari. 
 I don't know when this problem began, because, I haven't ben on the audible 
site in quite some time now.   However, I am assuming this is a new problem 
with Safari 5.  I wonder when webkit inherited it?  I will try downloading the 
latest nightly build, but, my hopes aren't high. hopefully, this doesn't happen 
on other sites as well.

yes, I did resets on both Safari and Webkit and it did absolutely nothing for 
me.


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Re: Programmers Editor

[Chris Snyder]

Hi Bryan,
If you want another voice to advocate to apple for the Renaissance waver, I'll 
certainly stand with you. The last time I programmed anything was as a kid 
making text based video games for the Apple 2E, but the accessibility in the 
Mac world today made me think about learning how to write apps for the iPhone 
and iPod. The idea that blind people could even make blind specific apps really 
got my creative juices flowing. Hopefully, Apple accessibility will understand 
the situation and allow the exception.

Friendly,
Chris
 
On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:17 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> The iPhone OS, now just called iOS, uses a windowing toolkit that is based on 
> Cocoa, but isn't the same. The class names are different, and parts of the 
> classes themselves are different. Beyond that, the layout of the interfaces 
> of an iOS application isn't very much like a desktop application. So, for 
> RenaissanceX to work on Cocoa Touch, the tag engine and auto-layout engine 
> will need to be reworked.
> 
> It isn't that I don't believe that something like RenaissanceX can be created 
> for iOS. I originally thought that RenaissanceX could support either Cocoa or 
> Cocoa Touch from the same framework. However, I now think that a completely 
> separate system will be required. That's too bad. RenaissanceX is focused at 
> blind devs on the Mac, but it stems from Renaissance, a larger cross-platform 
> effort to abstractly describe interfaces for programs so that they can be run 
> on all OpenStep type operating systems. Because of that, RenaissanceX can 
> pool its development with people that are interested in the larger 
> Renaissance project. Forking will create another project that it will be all 
> on me to maintain. Renaissance gets little development help, even given its 
> wide community. So far, only one other person has been able to assist me with 
> RenaissanceX development, and that was by contributing sample projects. 
> People just don't have much time to give to free projects. If I fork, I 
> believe that I'll be all by myself when it comes to the actual programming.
> 
> Further, Apple might not even allow RenaissanceX on iOS. The developer 
> agreement in iOS 4 has been revised in such a way that might prohibit it. I 
> think that the changes are primarily targeted at keeping people from using 
> Flash cross-compiling tools, but it still applies to what we'd like to do. In 
> short, the new section 3.31 says that applications aren't allowed to call 
> Cocoa Touch APIs indirectly (through a framework or translation layer). 
> RenaissanceX works by sub-classing Cocoa objects in order to add the 
> automatic layout behavior. I don't think that this sort of issue is what 
> Apple has in mind, but I can't tell you how profoundly angry and frustrated 
> I'll feel if I port RenaissanceX, and Apple starts rejecting apps for using 
> it. There are only 3 ways to make a user interface on iOS: use Interface 
> Builder (inaccessible), do it programmatically (incredibly slow), or use a 
> tool to build the UI programmatically through macro type functions 
> (RenaissanceX). If they won't allow RenaissanceX, then blind devs will need 
> to create all UIs by hand. That is practically impossible without a profound 
> amount of effort, and vision, since VoiceOver can't tell you if your 
> programmatically generated user interface objects overlap other controls, are 
> obscured, etc.
> 
> I doubt that I can get an official waver for RenaissanceX. So, I'll just have 
> to put in the time, and accept that their is a high likelihood that all of 
> the work will be for nothing. Of course, Apple could solve this problem by 
> making an accessible way for blind people to use their official interface 
> building tools. The word on that, though, is no interest, not at this time, 
> etc. It's disappointing. I suppose that I'll have to try, though.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dónal Fitzpatrick
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Programmers Editor
> 
> Hi Brian,
> What issues are you having with the port to Iphone OS?  I'm also wondering 
> whether it might be better to hold off on a port now till after the release 
> of the SDK for version 4.0?  That's going to change our coding landscape 
> rather considerably methinks.  However, I'd love to get involved and help 
> with any kind of port to the iPHone os.  I like RenaissanceX rather a lot.  
> Well done on a great effort.
> 
> Dónal
> On 7 Jun 2010, at 05:47, Bryan Smart wrote:
> 
>> I haven't figured out a way to start it, but VoiceOver seems to be included 
>> with the simulator.
>> 
>> Won't do you much good, though. No way to design your user interface for the 
>> iPhone, unless you create all of the user interface objects by hand in code. 
>> Interface Builder, where you'd normally make the int

Re: Safari 5 and Audible.com

[Michael Huckabay]

Yep both browsers dus this when actsessing the audible acount.  4 Didn't seam 
to do this so they must of broke something.
On 2010-06-08, at 10:21 PM, Dan Roy wrote:

> I have already reported this to accessibil...@apple.com.
> 
> I am having the same problem with Audible as several others have already 
> reported.  However, in my case, using webkit is no different than using 
> Safari.  I don't know when this problem began, because, I haven't ben on the 
> audible site in quite some time now.   However, I am assuming this is a new 
> problem with Safari 5.  I wonder when webkit inherited it?  I will try 
> downloading the latest nightly build, but, my hopes aren't high. hopefully, 
> this doesn't happen on other sites as well.
> 
> yes, I did resets on both Safari and Webkit and it did absolutely nothing for 
> me.
> 
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Another Bad Page with Safari5

[Barry Hadder]

http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/

I've written accessibility.

I'm starting to feel very disappointed.

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Possible workaround to Safari5 Problems

[Barry Hadder]

Ok everybody,

This seems to work, but it's just a work-around as doing this can still cause 
problems in some situations.  Check the "Disable Run away Java script Timer" 
option in the develop menu.  You can turn on the develop menu in the advanced 
tab of Safari preferences.

This seems to fix the problem and leaves the javascript functionality in tact.


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Re: Possible workaround to Safari5 Problems

[Olivia Norman]

Thanks, Will try this.  
Olivia
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:

> Ok everybody,
> 
> This seems to work, but it's just a work-around as doing this can still cause 
> problems in some situations.  Check the "Disable Run away Java script Timer" 
> option in the develop menu.  You can turn on the develop menu in the advanced 
> tab of Safari preferences.
> 
> This seems to fix the problem and leaves the javascript functionality in tact.
> 
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Re: Another Bad Page with Safari5

[Olivia Norman]

All the Apple support sites are like this.  Accessibility is aware of the issue.
Olivia
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:

> http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/
> 
> I've written accessibility.
> 
> I'm starting to feel very disappointed.
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Re: Safari 5 and Audible.com

[Olivia Norman]

Yes, this is a new problem with safari five.  I was on the audible site 
yeterday with safari four and experienced no issues.  Now, with five, I can't 
get the site to work at all.  It just crashes VO when ever I sign in.  iChat is 
not working for me, either. 
"Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs

On Jun 8, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Michael Huckabay wrote:

> Yep both browsers dus this when actsessing the audible acount.  4 Didn't seam 
> to do this so they must of broke something.
> On 2010-06-08, at 10:21 PM, Dan Roy wrote:
> 
>> I have already reported this to accessibil...@apple.com.
>> 
>> I am having the same problem with Audible as several others have already 
>> reported.  However, in my case, using webkit is no different than using 
>> Safari.  I don't know when this problem began, because, I haven't ben on the 
>> audible site in quite some time now.   However, I am assuming this is a new 
>> problem with Safari 5.  I wonder when webkit inherited it?  I will try 
>> downloading the latest nightly build, but, my hopes aren't high. hopefully, 
>> this doesn't happen on other sites as well.
>> 
>> yes, I did resets on both Safari and Webkit and it did absolutely nothing 
>> for me.
>> 
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Re: iTreadmill

[Blindinnovator.]

I haven't tried out the iPod features because I like my music from a sound 
system. I can verify everything else works great with VoiceOver. The developer 
is responsive to questions you may have. 

Brett C. 



Sent from my iPad

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> The app looks cool. Are all parts accessible?
> http://www.itreadmill.net/iTreadmill/How_To_Use.html
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Re: Another Bad Page with Safari5

[Barry Hadder]

I've never had vo restart whenever I try to access the html content.

On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:11 AM, Olivia Norman wrote:

> All the Apple support sites are like this.  Accessibility is aware of the 
> issue.
> Olivia
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> 
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
> 
>> http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/
>> 
>> I've written accessibility.
>> 
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ibooks

[william lomas]

hi all, 


I would have thought IBooks would also be on the macintosh and windows 
platforms, as then one could read a book on their laptop or desktop and keep 
reading on the move with their portable device

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