date:20100204


On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:39 PM, trahern culver wrote:

> hey guys i have just baught the latest verssion of mac speech dictate
> but when i oppen it voice over sais "dictate has no windows" please

Did you configure your microphone?
> 

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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes


On Jan 31, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Caroline,If you are referring to setting where downloads go in Safari 
> preferences, I have done that, but I have it set to the downloads folder, 
> since I do want things other than audiobooks from Audible going there. I 
> don't see any sort of downloads manager in Itunes. If I'm missing something 
> else, please clue me in. I'm sure this should be possible, but thus far, I'm 
> missing the simple step, whatever it is.

I think you need to download the Audible Manager software for the Mac for items 
to be imported in iTunes automatically.  I know that's the case on the PC.
> 

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Re: GMail and IPod TouCH?


On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, joe quinn wrote:

> I'm sure this has cropped up b4, but I wanna know, why can't I put in my 
> Gmail info on the IPod touch? I do everything right, I think, but it says it 
> can't connect... is it me? or are the fields not labeled right... I'm using 
> pop with Gmail. should I be using IMap?

Use the Gmail setting when you set up your e-mail account on the iPod or iPhone.

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Re: Read from cursor to end of document or web page...


On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> How do I get VO to read from the cursor to the end of the pag?DD.  The equal 
> command in Jaws would be insert-down arrow.
> 
Control-Option-A

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Re: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool bars

2010-02-04 Thread Chris Hofstader

How does one keep the top sites bar from showing up? I can usually  get it to 
go away but it seems to return randomly.
On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Robert,
> 
> I think that you can move bookmarks and/or folders with copy and paste, or 
> even cut and paste.  As far as I can tell, the top sites acts as though it's 
> a folder location within the bookmarks bar, and I can copy and paste folders 
> from my bookmarks bar into the regular bookmarks folders, or rename them once 
> they have been pasted there.  Just make sure that you actually move to the 
> table of collections, etc. before you try to paste or create a new folder.  
> The "undo" command (Command-z) should keep you from getting into any problems 
> if you get unexpected results.
> 
> I don't actually use "top sites" in my bookmarks.  Safari 4 introduced the 
> use of CoverFlow view and keeping images of web pages (that get displayed in 
> the "top sites" option and also in CoverFlow view).  Since images take up 
> storage space that I'm not likely to use, I disable as much of this as I can. 
>  There was a way to disable the Preview image options under the Safari 4 beta 
> that can no longer be used under the regular Safari 4.  Actually, I realize 
> now that I can have "top sites" without having Preview Images, so I could 
> turn this setting back on.  I regularly use the "Reset Safari" option under 
> the Safari menu with the option for "Remove all Preview images" checked -- 
> just to get rid of these.
> 
> I think that the only reason "Top Sites" appears as the default location for 
> saving bookmarks is that it's the first item in the list.  Once you've saved 
> a bookmark to another location, that location then appears as the default 
> location for saving bookmarks in your dialog window.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 3, 2010, Robert Carter wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have been storing my bookmarks under top sites. This is the default when 
>> you elect to set a bookmark. I have learned to use the top sites system but 
>> if I wanted to move these bookmarks from top sites to the regular bookmarks 
>> table, could I do this using VoiceOver?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Robert Carter
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 3, 2010, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Amber,
>>> 
>>> I'll try to add my answers to Scott's regarding the use of bookmarks in 
>>> Safari.  Top Sites is a feature that was introduced in Safari 4.  Instead 
>>> of being sites that you choose to bookmark, these are the sites that you 
>>> visit most frequently, based on your recent browsing activity.  The idea is 
>>> that you can easily get back to these sites without having to set a 
>>> bookmark for them, and that the places that make up your top sites will 
>>> change depending on your interests over time.  In contrast, you might use 
>>> bookmarks for more permanent markers.
>>> 
>>> When you show your Bookmarks page (with Command-Option-B), there are 
>>> basically three areas: (1) a search field for running searches of your 
>>> bookmarks, (2) a table for selecting the collection or folder of bookmarks 
>>> you want to use, and (3) a table that lists the individual bookmarks in 
>>> your selected collection or folder.  This is very much like the 
>>> organization of iTunes and other applications.  What may be complicating 
>>> your view of the layout when you try to navigate this page is the presence 
>>> of both the bookmarks bar and the toolbar (which includes the address bar) 
>>> in Safari.  You can toggle these between hide and view with the following 
>>> keyboard shortcuts:
>>> 
>>> Command-Shift-B hides or shows the bookmarks bar for Safari
>>> Command-Shift-backslash hides or shows the toolbar for Safari  (where the 
>>> backslash key is the rightmost key immediately below the delete key and 
>>> above the return key on an English language keyboard)
>>> 
>>> Keeping the bookmarks bar and the toolbar hidden for Safari is an old trick 
>>> that was used starting back in Tiger when VoiceOver's navigation options 
>>> were less sophisticated -- the items in Safari's bookmarks bar and toolbar 
>>> show up both in item chooser menu and when you navigate by tabbing or with 
>>> VO-arrow keys, so hiding these bars simplifies VoiceOver's view.
>>> 
>>> Once you have hidden the bookmarks bar and the toolbar, pressing tab will 
>>> cycle you between the three areas that I described. Pressing Shift-tab will 
>>> cycle you through these areas in the opposite direction.
>>> 
>>> When you show your bookmarks page with Command-Option-B, you should be 
>>> positioned in the search box, with your selected folder or collection from 
>>> the table of collections or folders pointed to the location you last used. 
>>> This selection could also point to your "history" of visited sites (that 
>>> were not bookmarked). If you press tab you should be taken to the table of 
>>> individual bookmark locations listed under that category.  Interact 
>>> (VO-Shift-Down arrow) to read and

Re: pronunciation

2010-02-04 Thread James & Nash

Hi Carolyn 

You might be able to change this in the Pronunciation Dictionary. I've never 
used this myself, but perhaps others on this list have.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 4 Feb 2010, at 03:10, ch...@q.com wrote:

> Hi Mac Family:
> I have a strange question.  I suddenly notice that VO is pronouncing my lower 
> case letter a as "e".  I don't know if this is what it has always done, or if 
> it just started happening.  However, the shift A is pronounced correctly. I 
> feel funny asking, but it's bugging me.
> 
> TIA
> Carolyn 
> CH:)
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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

Hi Matt,
According to what I read on audible's site, there is no audible manager 
software for the Mac, separate from Itunes. I've been using audible manager on 
the pc for a long time, so when I got the Mac, I checked out what Audible had 
to say and they don't seem to have any separate software. So for now, I just 
let the stuff go into downloads and import from there. An unnecessary 2-step 
process, but that seems to be what one needs to do, unless you want to 
immediately start reading what you're downloading and set Safari's download 
manager to have files automatically open upon download. 

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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

2010-02-04 Thread Robert Carter

Hi Mary,

My audible books go in to my download folder just like you describe but iTunes 
automatically enters them in to the audio books section of its library. I don't 
understand why it is a two step process for you.

Robert Carter

On Feb 4, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Matt,
> According to what I read on audible's site, there is no audible manager 
> software for the Mac, separate from Itunes. I've been using audible manager 
> on the pc for a long time, so when I got the Mac, I checked out what Audible 
> had to say and they don't seem to have any separate software. So for now, I 
> just let the stuff go into downloads and import from there. An unnecessary 
> 2-step process, but that seems to be what one needs to do, unless you want to 
> immediately start reading what you're downloading and set Safari's download 
> manager to have files automatically open upon download. 
> 
> Mary
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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

Hi Robert, 
Do you have Safari set so trusted files automatically open once downloaded? 
That could certainly account for their automatic entry into Itunes. If you 
don't have that set, then its a great mystery to me what the difference could 
be. Perhaps there was some little glitch when I activated my account. Books 
read fine, though.

Mary

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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

Same here.

You know, Mary, it might be worth a call to Audible.  I understand why you see 
it as a Mac issue, but once when I was having trouble getting books to import, 
I called them and they were really helpful.
Good luck,
Donna
On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Robert Carter wrote:

> Hi Mary,
> 
> My audible books go in to my download folder just like you describe but 
> iTunes automatically enters them in to the audio books section of its 
> library. I don't understand why it is a two step process for you.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Hi Matt,
>> According to what I read on audible's site, there is no audible manager 
>> software for the Mac, separate from Itunes. I've been using audible manager 
>> on the pc for a long time, so when I got the Mac, I checked out what Audible 
>> had to say and they don't seem to have any separate software. So for now, I 
>> just let the stuff go into downloads and import from there. An unnecessary 
>> 2-step process, but that seems to be what one needs to do, unless you want 
>> to immediately start reading what you're downloading and set Safari's 
>> download manager to have files automatically open upon download. 
>> 
>> Mary
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Re: working with docx files on a Mac

I was hunting for something that did tables in a wordprocessor and
worked well with voiceover. Tables, as a spreadsheet, is supposed to be
quite accessible although I haven't tried it myself.

James & Nash wrote:

That's' an interesting work around. What about numbers? I am going to install a
trial of IWork 09 in a minute and give it a go. Also, there is an application
called Tables. This offered some VO support if I remember correctly.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 3 Feb 2010, at 22:33, Chris Blouch wrote:

I've not found a good text editor that handles tables well. I can navigate
tables in Open Office ok but it doesn't give me any context as to the column
and row I am in. The odd thing is that in the window chrome at the bottom it
has the actual text I want such as

TableTitle:A3

which is the name of the table and my cursor is in the first column and the
third row. Only workaround I could come up with was to set a VO hot spot on the
chrome with VM-Shift-Number (usually number 1) and then set VO to announce
changes in the hotspot with VO-command-shift-number (usually number 1). Of
course to set that up I need to first get into a table because otherwise that
location in the chrome is simply read as 'blank text'. So the process is to
navigate somewhere in a table, stop interacting with scroll area, VO down once
and right until I get to the spot with the table name row:header (VO-right 7
times), set the hotspot, then return back to the content area. From then on VO
will announce the columns and rows as I move around the table. Not great, but
it kinda works.

Mary Otten wrote:

Thanks, James, for that speedy reply. I have not yet bought any application for word processing hoping to benefit from others' experiences and just get one app that will do the job. I don't mind tables on the Windows side in Word with Window Eyes or Jaws. But prior to the implementation of good support for them by the screen reader vendors, they were indeed horrible, so I sympathize with your frustration with trying to use tables without good accessibility support.
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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

Mary,

I just checked.  I have the Open Downloaded Files automatically option 
unchecked, so that shouldn't be your problem.
Best,
Donna
On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Matt,
> According to what I read on audible's site, there is no audible manager 
> software for the Mac, separate from Itunes. I've been using audible manager 
> on the pc for a long time, so when I got the Mac, I checked out what Audible 
> had to say and they don't seem to have any separate software. So for now, I 
> just let the stuff go into downloads and import from there. An unnecessary 
> 2-step process, but that seems to be what one needs to do, unless you want to 
> immediately start reading what you're downloading and set Safari's download 
> manager to have files automatically open upon download. 
> 
> Mary
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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

2010-02-04 Thread Ricardo Walker

Hello all,

I just finished purchasing Stephen Coont's "Sea Of Terror", and I read the 
thank you page.  It does say the download is suppose to go directly into your 
audiobook folder on your Mac.  I know mine doesn't like Mary and Donna's unless 
I have the auto open set in safari. Its a mystery to me.  lol 
On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Same here.
> 
> You know, Mary, it might be worth a call to Audible.  I understand why you 
> see it as a Mac issue, but once when I was having trouble getting books to 
> import, I called them and they were really helpful.
> Good luck,
> Donna
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> My audible books go in to my download folder just like you describe but 
>> iTunes automatically enters them in to the audio books section of its 
>> library. I don't understand why it is a two step process for you.
>> 
>> Robert Carter
>> 
>> On Feb 4, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Matt,
>>> According to what I read on audible's site, there is no audible manager 
>>> software for the Mac, separate from Itunes. I've been using audible manager 
>>> on the pc for a long time, so when I got the Mac, I checked out what 
>>> Audible had to say and they don't seem to have any separate software. So 
>>> for now, I just let the stuff go into downloads and import from there. An 
>>> unnecessary 2-step process, but that seems to be what one needs to do, 
>>> unless you want to immediately start reading what you're downloading and 
>>> set Safari's download manager to have files automatically open upon 
>>> download. 
>>> 
>>> Mary
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Re: DVD CD copy

Hmm. Maybe I didn't set things up correctly. That said I tried rip it 
and it worked fine. All it does is dump the DVD to your hard drive, no 
fussing around. That's all I wanted.


CB

Kieren wrote:

Just to clarify MTR does not re-encode it only removes the protection
that is on the disc
so you can back it up either to your hd or another disc with a fair
use policy.
It also allows you to extract individual titles from the disc which is
good for music videos and the like where they all
seem to run together.  It is a backup only utility.

Kieren


On Feb 3, 6:37 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:
  

I was playing with MacTheRipper but I don't really want to re-encode the
video/audio. I just want to dump the DVD verbatim to my hard drive. I
don't even care particularly if I can burn a copy from the files since
that's not my intent. I've not heard of RipIt. They say they have
verified that it works on over 250,000 DVDs. For $20 it might be worth it.

CB



Kieren wrote:


This is due to the several different anti-piracy methods used to
protect dvds and blu-ray discs.
  
You cannot tell if a disc has copyright protection until you try to

duplicate it or dump it to your HD.
I recommend "Rip It" which will create an entire disc copy and works
with 99% of discs. I think it costs $10
Also there is MacTheRipper currently at V3 soon to be V4 this app
gives you complete comtrol on what you want to extract from the movie.
ie subtitles, audio streams, movie only etc.
  
Hope this Helps clarify things
  
Kieren
  
On Feb 3, 12:09 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:
  

Hmm. Just tried it on UP from Pixar and it gave me an error when I went
to create the disk image (input/output error).

CB

louie wrote:


Not sure of title. I don't watch being a total. Do the copy for wife.
When she gets back, I will ask.
  
On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
  

Really? What title? I'm going to have to try it again. Maybe the
loophole is back. I don't care so much about burning copies but I
would like to store movies on my computer to watch on trips or whatever.

CB

louie wrote:


Works on Netflicks.
  
On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
  

I don't know the details of how the DVD encryption works but the
end result is that your image will lack some key signature which
will prevent it from playing all the content. Otherwise, yes, no
special software would be needed. I think there was a bug a while
back where DiskUtility actually would allow you to image a DVD to
your hard drive and folks would do that to take movies on trips.
Running a movie from hard disk takes a lot less power than from the
DVD drive. I don't recall when that loophole got fixed but last I
tried it my DVD image wouldn't work beyond the initial menu system.

Of course if you got it to work on a commercial DVD please say so.

That would be great news!

CB

louie wrote:


What does it matter if you are making an image of the media?
On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
  

Sounds like your DVD had no encryption or DRM. This is unusual
for a commercial DVD but common for personal home videos and the
like.

CB

louie wrote:


Hi all,
When I want to copy a CD or DVD I place the media in the tray.
After the icon for the media shows up on the desktop I select it
and go to the file menu then arrow down to duplicate. I click
duplicate. A folder with the same name as the media will be
created. I remove the media from the tray. I place a blank media
in the tray. I place the focus on the folder that was made by
using duplicate. Next I go to the file menu and arrow down to
burn and click it. After the burning is completed I have a
working copy.
My question is why do we need special soft ware to copy CD's or
DVD's?
  
louie

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Re: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool bars

Another handy bit is that any bookmarks you store in the bookmarks bar
can be fired up just by hitting command-# where the number is the order
which the bookmark is in the bar list. So my most commonly used sites
are in the bookmark bar slots 1-5. To get to the first item at any time
in Safari I just hit command-1 and I'm there.

Scott Howell wrote:

Amber,

First the Top sites is a fancy name for the most recently visited sites. The
more sites you visit, the more likely they will fall off the list. Second to
access a bookmark, I interact with the url in the table and use VO-shift-m to
bring up the contextual menu. THen you can select the action you wish. As far
as the menu bar, you could use a hot spot which is VO-shift-a number 1-9 and
you can remove this hot spot with the same steps and to go to that hot spot,
you simply press VO-number where number is 1-9.

hth,
On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Amber Pearcy wrote:

Good morning listers,

As you can see from the subject line, I have several questions for all of you
today. I'll start with the questions about bookmarks and top sites. I have
been trying to figure out the difference and functions of both of these two
components of Safari for several months now, but I can't seem to make much
headway. Is top sites only meant to be a temporary list of the most recently
visited sites, or does it actually store bookmarks permanently? I was under
the impression that I could store my bookmarks there permanently, but often,
when I try to find a specific bookmark, it isn't in that list.
In regards to the actual bookmarks section of the browser, I have never been
successful opening the bookmarks that I have saved there. I have tried VO
space, clicking with VO Shift space and double clicking. I think I have even
searched in vain for a contextual menu. Therefore, I resorted to saving
everything in top sites, but now, even this doesn't seem to be working well.

Concerning the tool bars, if I know that there is a tool bark at the top of a web page or in

a particular program, is there a shortcut or VO command that will take me to
the tool bar from anywhere in the program or on the web page?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Peace,

Amber

Re: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool bars

Oooh that's cool!  Thanks, Chris.
Donna
On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Another handy bit is that any bookmarks you store in the bookmarks bar can be 
> fired up just by hitting command-# where the number is the order which the 
> bookmark is in the bar list. So my most commonly used sites are in the 
> bookmark bar slots 1-5. To get to the first item at any time in Safari I just 
> hit command-1 and I'm there.
> 
> CB
> 
> Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>> Amber,
>> 
>> First the Top sites is a fancy name for the most recently visited sites. The 
>> more sites you visit, the more likely they will fall off the list. Second to 
>> access a bookmark, I interact with the url in the table and use VO-shift-m 
>> to bring up the contextual menu. THen you can select the action you wish.  
>> As far as the menu bar, you could use a hot spot which is VO-shift-a number 
>> 1-9 and you can remove this hot spot with the same steps and to go to that 
>> hot spot, you simply press VO-number where number is 1-9.
>> 
>> hth,
>> On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Amber Pearcy wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> Good morning listers,
>>> 
>>> As you can see from the subject line, I have several questions for all of 
>>> you today.  I'll start with the questions about bookmarks and top sites.  I 
>>> have been trying to figure out the difference and functions of both of 
>>> these two components of Safari for several months now, but I can't seem to 
>>> make much headway.  Is top sites only meant to be a temporary list of the 
>>> most recently visited sites, or does it actually store bookmarks 
>>> permanently?  I was under the impression that I could store my bookmarks 
>>> there permanently, but often, when I try to find a specific bookmark, it 
>>> isn't in that list.
>>> In regards to the actual bookmarks section of the browser, I have never 
>>> been successful opening the bookmarks that I have saved there.  I have 
>>> tried VO space, clicking with VO Shift space and double clicking.  I think 
>>> I have even searched in vain for a contextual menu.  Therefore, I resorted 
>>> to saving everything in top sites, but now, even this doesn't seem to be 
>>> working well.
>>> 
>>> Concerning the tool bars, if I know that there is a tool bark at the top of 
>>> a web page or in 
>>> 
>>> a particular program, is there a shortcut or VO command that will take me 
>>> to the tool bar from anywhere in the program or on the web page?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>> 
>>> Peace,
>>> 
>>> Amber   
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Re: apple and adobe zeitgeist fallout

2010-02-04 Thread James

Well I can do this without using the accessibility settings in Adobe
Reader and I am not building a screen reader, I can make standard PDF
files accessible so all you need is a free screen reader to read and
interact with the content.   It also works with JAWS, Window Eyes and
Zoom Text.  I do not change the default settings of Adobe Reader so
the content is read.

It works with Foxit but you get a bunch of formatting information as
you move through the document.
With adobe reader it is smooth and you only get the content.

James


On Feb 2, 12:32 am, Bryan Smart  wrote:
> Adobe was worried about people doing that on Windows, so, the only way that 
> screen reader manufacturers were granted access to Acrobat Reader was through 
> a special interface that could only be used if the screen reader presented a 
> special authorization certificate. In order to get the certificate, you must 
> follow their rules regarding showing only a limited number of pages at a time 
> in your virtual buffer/DOM browser, and disable copy/paste functions. If you 
> don't follow those rules, they revoke your certificate, and your users can't 
> read PDFs anymore.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if Adobe twisted Apple's arm on this, too.
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple and adobe zeitgeist fallout
>
> Preview works with the relatively weak AdobePDFencryption scheme built into 
> the authoring tool. Some features, like copy and paste, are turned off to 
> keep users from using the most obvious way to get the data out of the file. I 
> haven't tried any of these documents in Preview with VO so I can't speak to 
> whether we blinks can read  these documents or not. I would be surprised, 
> though, if it didn't turn off the OSX accessibility interface for the body of 
> the protectedPDFas anyone with half a brain and some hacking skills could 
> build a little program that sucked all of the data out of a file as it 
> pretended to be an accessibility program like VO.
>
>  I'm told that Preview barfs on the plug-in protection schemes but have no 
> evidence either way (my wife had some of the weaker protected files that 
> worked for her).
>
> cdh
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 1:03 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>
> > I just use the built-in preview viewer. It readsPDFfiles just fine. Of 
> > course, since Adobe hates Apple so much, it might not work with 
> > encrypted/protected PDFs, but I haven't tried them yet, so wouldn't know.
>
> > Bryan
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ch...@q.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:28 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: apple and adobe zeitgeist fallout
>
> > Bryan:
> > Well said, and I agree.  What are people using on the mac to 
> > readPDFdocuments?
> > Carolyn ch:))
> > On Jan 30, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>
> >> And it blows my mind how they've been able to get everyone to conform. I 
> >> just don't get it at all. I mean, for most people, they need Acrobat 
> >> Reader in order to readPDFdocuments on a PC. Acrobat Reader has been 
> >> treated by Adobe, not so much as a way to make the documents that their 
> >> professional tools produce to be read for free, but as a vector to get as 
> >> much of their stuff as possible on to your PC. You want to readPDFfiles? 
> >> Well, of course that means that you'd also like us to install plug ins for 
> >> everything from ebook management to real-time spell checking of PDFs. 
> >> Also, just in case you need it, how about we install stuff to help you 
> >> produce PDFs through adobe.com? And since all of this stuff that we just 
> >> added, that you didn't ask for, is always having security problems, how 
> >> about we install this updater software that will run in the background and 
> >> constantly nag you to update all of the bits that you didn't request in 
> >> the first place. And, hey, while we're updating, how about we install some 
> >> other stuff that you didn't request and don't want. I don't know how IT 
> >> departments haven't banned Acrobat Reader as a security risk. It seems 
> >> that way to me.
>
> >> And, when it comes down to its core function, you know, readingPDFfiles, 
> >> Acrobat Reader is horribly slow at that task. I used to think that PDFs 
> >> must be this big bloated document format, but I've realized in the past 
> >> few years that PDFs aren't the problem, the problem is Acrobat Reader. 
> >> OtherPDFreading tools are quite snappy. Its unfortunate for Windows users 
> >> that Acrobat Reader is the only reading tool that is both accessible, and 
> >> is blessed by Adobe with access to encrypted/securedPDFfiles. I know there 
> >> are converters and other accessible readers, bu

further to locating radio streams in iTunes

2010-02-04 Thread Daniel Rowe

Hi all.
I'm subscribed to "Mac OS X hints" RSS feed and today they posted a great hint 
that is helpful for deleting  radio streams you no longer listen to.
I found that when I created a smart playlist of all the streams I imported I 
couldn't delete any of them from the library from there.  So after that step, 
Carry out what they say on this page and you should find it easier to remove 
them.
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20100202160801725
Note, the page has no headings but there's an auto webspot at the start of the 
article.

Hope this helps,

Dannie

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Re: slightly OT: A call to action!

2010-02-04 Thread Carolyn

Jess:
I was reading a Syndicated Columnists Weekly, and ran across an article I think 
would interest you.
It is entitled "Justice Department Settles Kindle On-Campus Cases,"
It is by Associated Press.  It ran in the Wall Street Journal on January 18, 
2010.  It discusses the use of Ebooks in classrooms, and the charge against 
Amazon.com re the Kindle's lack of accessibility.


I could send you the braille copy if you can't find it on line and are 
interested.

Carolyn 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jess 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:45 AM
  Subject: Re: A call to action!


  Thanks to everyone that has responded so far to my post.
  For those people who suggest that we just scan our books, call me a breaker 
of the old tradition, but scanners are just not practical anymore. More and 
more books are going to be on the electronic internet, and I think that a good 
start is for us to get a following. We should post about this issue on blogs, 
twitter, and anywhere people will listen to us.
  I appreciate those that feel I have a valid complaint, and I think that all 
of us who really care about this should contact the publishers to discuss this 
with them.
  I completely forgot about other print-disabled people sharing my concerns, 
but that just makes my case all the stronger.


  On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Carolyn wrote:


Jes:
I'm not currently a student, but you have a vallid complaint.  I wound up 
scanning a print textbook for a friend of mine after he purchased the e-book 
and found it inaccessible for the reasons you state.
I'm not sure where one would start, but I would think about consulting 
disabled student services at your school, and also contact the NFB in Maryland 
to check out whether anyone there is addressing this issue. 
HTH
Carolyn
  - Original Message -
  From: Jess
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:49 AM
  Subject: A call to action!


  First, a question.
  How many people like to read books? I know I do. How many people were 
overjoyed that entire text books were going to be put online? I was. However, a 
lot of EBooks cannot be read by any screen reader we have today. Why? Simply 
put, the text of the book is contained within an OCR image, and there is a 
special reader required to read them. These are not your standard PDF files, 
and the books are protected by DRM, so there is no way to extract the contents 
into programs like text edit.
  As a book worm, I tried out the Kindle app for the IPhone, and was 
delighted to find that a book that I wanted to read was available on the Kindle 
store. However, my joy turned to bitter disappointment when I realized that 
while I could navigate the book's table of contents, cover, and chapters to an 
extent, the text was completely inaccessible. Furthermore, my text books for my 
classes were not usable. Ladies and gentlemen, I fear that unless we as blind 
consumers stand up, and demand that these publishers put their text books into 
standard native file formats, such as pdf or doc, we will lose a lot of access 
to books, and our chances to succeed at college will be severely diminished. 
So, anyone have any thoughts of what to do?
  I thought about starting a petition to ask Amazon to require their 
publishers to make their books usable, but figured that I would be a laughing 
stock for doing so, as most publishers probably wouldn't have the time to read, 
much less consider what I was asking for.
  My point is, as long as E texts get more and more graphical, our chances 
to read will be greatly impaired, and as more and more books become exclusively 
online, we will lose access to the latest editions of books altogether. 
Thoughts, anyone?
   You may also skype me at pianomagic88

  Jes

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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

2010-02-04 Thread Robert Carter

Hi,

I do have Safari set to open the download. I doubt that this is the setting 
that makes the difference but I don't know for sure. I haven't tested it.

Mary, are you sure that after the books download they don't automatically 
appear in your iTunes library?

Robert Carter

On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Robert, 
> Do you have Safari set so trusted files automatically open once downloaded? 
> That could certainly account for their automatic entry into Itunes. If you 
> don't have that set, then its a great mystery to me what the difference could 
> be. Perhaps there was some little glitch when I activated my account. Books 
> read fine, though.
> 
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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

Hi Robert,
Yes, I am quite sure that books don't show up in my itunes library after 
download. I checked the audio books section after downloading and found 
nothing. Importing them makes them show up there. And prior to that, they are 
in the download folder, where I would expect downloads to go normally. I guess 
this will remain a mystery unless Audible can shed some light on it.

Mary

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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

Hi Robert,

You know, this has always worked for me in the past, but this afternoon, after 
seeing Mary's post, I tried it, and it didn't work.  I experienced the same 
thing Mary described, the book downloaded, but did not import into ITunes.  I 
wonder if this has something to do with version 10.62?  That's the only thing 
that would have changed on my system since my last Audible download.
Best,
Donna
On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Robert Carter wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I do have Safari set to open the download. I doubt that this is the setting 
> that makes the difference but I don't know for sure. I haven't tested it.
> 
> Mary, are you sure that after the books download they don't automatically 
> appear in your iTunes library?
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Hi Robert, 
>> Do you have Safari set so trusted files automatically open once downloaded? 
>> That could certainly account for their automatic entry into Itunes. If you 
>> don't have that set, then its a great mystery to me what the difference 
>> could be. Perhaps there was some little glitch when I activated my account. 
>> Books read fine, though.
>> 
>> Mary
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iphone update avaliable

Hi all,

In case you haven't seen this, there's a new software update available for the 
iphone.
Best,
Donna 

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Re: working with docx files on a Mac

2010-02-04 Thread James & Nash

Numbers is also supposed to be quite accessible. I've played a little with 
Pages, and it seems extremely good so far.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 4 Feb 2010, at 17:40, Chris Blouch wrote:

> I was hunting for something that did tables in a wordprocessor and worked 
> well with voiceover. Tables, as a spreadsheet, is supposed to be quite 
> accessible although I haven't tried it myself.
> 
> CB
> 
> James & Nash wrote:
>> 
>> That's' an interesting work around. What about numbers? I am going to 
>> install a trial of IWork 09 in a minute and give it a go. Also, there is an 
>> application called Tables. This offered some VO support if I remember 
>> correctly.
>> 
>> TC
>> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
>> On 3 Feb 2010, at 22:33, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> I've not found a good text editor that handles tables well. I can navigate 
>>> tables in Open Office ok but it doesn't give me any context as to the 
>>> column and row I am in. The odd thing is that in the window chrome at the 
>>> bottom it has the actual text I want such as
>>> 
>>> TableTitle:A3
>>> 
>>> which is the name of the table and my cursor is in the first column and the 
>>> third row. Only workaround I could come up with was to set a VO hot spot on 
>>> the chrome with VM-Shift-Number (usually number 1) and then set VO to 
>>> announce changes in the hotspot with VO-command-shift-number (usually 
>>> number 1). Of course to set that up I need to first get into a table 
>>> because otherwise that location in the chrome is simply read as 'blank 
>>> text'. So the process is to navigate somewhere in a table, stop interacting 
>>> with scroll area, VO down once and right until I get to the spot with the 
>>> table name row:header (VO-right 7 times), set the hotspot, then return back 
>>> to the content area. From then on VO will announce the columns and rows as 
>>> I move around the table. Not great, but it kinda works.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> Mary Otten wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks, James, for that speedy reply. I have not yet bought any 
 application for word processing hoping to benefit from others' experiences 
 and just get one app that will do the job. I don't mind tables on the 
 Windows side in Word with Window Eyes or Jaws. But prior to the 
 implementation of good support for them by the screen reader vendors, they 
 were indeed horrible, so I sympathize with your frustration with trying to 
 use tables without good accessibility support. 
 Mary
 
  
   
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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

2010-02-04 Thread Ricardo Walker

Hi,

It has never imported into my audiobook section automatically without the open 
downloads box being checked in Safari.  I'm going to take a wild shot in the 
dark but, could it be related to the drive in which you have your iTunes media 
folder?  My iTunes content is save on an external drive.  What about you guys?
On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi Robert,
> 
> You know, this has always worked for me in the past, but this afternoon, 
> after seeing Mary's post, I tried it, and it didn't work.  I experienced the 
> same thing Mary described, the book downloaded, but did not import into 
> ITunes.  I wonder if this has something to do with version 10.62?  That's the 
> only thing that would have changed on my system since my last Audible 
> download.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I do have Safari set to open the download. I doubt that this is the setting 
>> that makes the difference but I don't know for sure. I haven't tested it.
>> 
>> Mary, are you sure that after the books download they don't automatically 
>> appear in your iTunes library?
>> 
>> Robert Carter
>> 
>> On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Robert, 
>>> Do you have Safari set so trusted files automatically open once downloaded? 
>>> That could certainly account for their automatic entry into Itunes. If you 
>>> don't have that set, then its a great mystery to me what the difference 
>>> could be. Perhaps there was some little glitch when I activated my account. 
>>> Books read fine, though.
>>> 
>>> Mary
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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes

Well, I just tried checking the Open files automatically box, and that didn't 
seem to make any difference.
Best,
Donna
On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> It has never imported into my audiobook section automatically without the 
> open downloads box being checked in Safari.  I'm going to take a wild shot in 
> the dark but, could it be related to the drive in which you have your iTunes 
> media folder?  My iTunes content is save on an external drive.  What about 
> you guys?
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi Robert,
>> 
>> You know, this has always worked for me in the past, but this afternoon, 
>> after seeing Mary's post, I tried it, and it didn't work.  I experienced the 
>> same thing Mary described, the book downloaded, but did not import into 
>> ITunes.  I wonder if this has something to do with version 10.62?  That's 
>> the only thing that would have changed on my system since my last Audible 
>> download.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I do have Safari set to open the download. I doubt that this is the setting 
>>> that makes the difference but I don't know for sure. I haven't tested it.
>>> 
>>> Mary, are you sure that after the books download they don't automatically 
>>> appear in your iTunes library?
>>> 
>>> Robert Carter
>>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Robert, 
 Do you have Safari set so trusted files automatically open once 
 downloaded? That could certainly account for their automatic entry into 
 Itunes. If you don't have that set, then its a great mystery to me what 
 the difference could be. Perhaps there was some little glitch when I 
 activated my account. Books read fine, though.
 
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RE: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool bars

2010-02-04 Thread Linda Adams

Chris,
I've used this method and it is quite nice.  I have a question. if I add
another web page to the bookmark bar, will it take the first position
and move the others down a number?  If so, is there a way I can
reposition the bookmarks so the one I use the most keeps the short cut
command 1?
 
Thanks,
Linda
 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool
bars


Another handy bit is that any bookmarks you store in the bookmarks bar
can be fired up just by hitting command-# where the number is the order
which the bookmark is in the bar list. So my most commonly used sites
are in the bookmark bar slots 1-5. To get to the first item at any time
in Safari I just hit command-1 and I'm there.

CB

Scott Howell wrote: 

Amber,



First the Top sites is a fancy name for the most recently visited sites.
The more sites you visit, the more likely they will fall off the list.
Second to access a bookmark, I interact with the url in the table and
use VO-shift-m to bring up the contextual menu. THen you can select the
action you wish.  As far as the menu bar, you could use a hot spot which
is VO-shift-a number 1-9 and you can remove this hot spot with the same
steps and to go to that hot spot, you simply press VO-number where
number is 1-9.



hth,

On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Amber Pearcy wrote:



  

Good morning listers,



As you can see from the subject line, I have several questions for all
of you today.  I'll start with the questions about bookmarks and top
sites.  I have been trying to figure out the difference and functions of
both of these two components of Safari for several months now, but I
can't seem to make much headway.  Is top sites only meant to be a
temporary list of the most recently visited sites, or does it actually
store bookmarks permanently?  I was under the impression that I could
store my bookmarks there permanently, but often, when I try to find a
specific bookmark, it isn't in that list.

In regards to the actual bookmarks section of the browser, I have never
been successful opening the bookmarks that I have saved there.  I have
tried VO space, clicking with VO Shift space and double clicking.  I
think I have even searched in vain for a contextual menu.  Therefore, I
resorted to saving everything in top sites, but now, even this doesn't
seem to be working well.



Concerning the tool bars, if I know that there is a tool bark at the top
of a web page or in 



a particular program, is there a shortcut or VO command that will take
me to the tool bar from anywhere in the program or on the web page?



Thanks in advance for your help.



Peace,



Amber   



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Re: downloading audible books into Itunes



MaryHi Ricardo,
My itunes library is not saving to an external drive, although given the amount 
of things being accumulated in there, that was probably shortsighted on my 
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Re: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool bars

Been a while since I changed my commonly used bookmarks bar. New
bookmarks are added to the beginning so it shift everything over by one.
That means your #1 slot becomes the most recently bookmarked item and
you'll find your old #1 is now in the #2 slot. Easiest way I've found to
rearrange is to open up the Show All Bookmarks with command-option-b,
navigate to the bookmarks bar and then to the table listing the items in
the bookmarks bar. From there you can highlight the bookmark you want to
move, cut it, move to where you want it to be and paste it.

Linda Adams wrote:

Chris,
I've used this method and it is quite nice. I have a question. if I
add another web page to the bookmark bar, will it take the first
position and move the others down a number? If so, is there a way I
can reposition the bookmarks so the one I use the most keeps the short
cut command 1?

Thanks,

Linda

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Blouch

*Sent:* Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:02 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and
tool bars

Another handy bit is that any bookmarks you store in the bookmarks bar
can be fired up just by hitting command-# where the number is the
order which the bookmark is in the bar list. So my most commonly used
sites are in the bookmark bar slots 1-5. To get to the first item at
any time in Safari I just hit command-1 and I'm there.

Scott Howell wrote:

Amber,

hth,
On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Amber Pearcy wrote:

Good morning listers,

Concerning the tool bars, if I know that there is a tool bark at the top of a web page or in

a particular program, is there a shortcut or VO command that will take me to
the tool bar from anywhere in the program or on the web page?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Peace,

Amber

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Re: slightly OT: A call to action!

2010-02-04 Thread Jess

I will take a look at it.
Thank you very much.
Jes

On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Carolyn wrote:

> Jess:
> I was reading a Syndicated Columnists Weekly, and ran across an article I 
> think would interest you.
> It is entitled "Justice Department Settles Kindle On-Campus Cases,"
> It is by Associated Press.  It ran in the Wall Street Journal on January 18, 
> 2010.  It discusses the use of Ebooks in classrooms, and the charge against 
> Amazon.com re the Kindle's lack of accessibility.
>  
>  
> I could send you the braille copy if you can't find it on line and are 
> interested.
>  
> Carolyn 
> - Original Message -
> From: Jess
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: A call to action!
> 
> Thanks to everyone that has responded so far to my post.
> For those people who suggest that we just scan our books, call me a breaker 
> of the old tradition, but scanners are just not practical anymore. More and 
> more books are going to be on the electronic internet, and I think that a 
> good start is for us to get a following. We should post about this issue on 
> blogs, twitter, and anywhere people will listen to us.
> I appreciate those that feel I have a valid complaint, and I think that all 
> of us who really care about this should contact the publishers to discuss 
> this with them.
> I completely forgot about other print-disabled people sharing my concerns, 
> but that just makes my case all the stronger.
> 
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> Jes:
>> I'm not currently a student, but you have a vallid complaint.  I wound up 
>> scanning a print textbook for a friend of mine after he purchased the e-book 
>> and found it inaccessible for the reasons you state.
>> I'm not sure where one would start, but I would think about consulting 
>> disabled student services at your school, and also contact the NFB in 
>> Maryland to check out whether anyone there is addressing this issue. 
>> HTH
>> Carolyn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Jess
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:49 AM
>> Subject: A call to action!
>> 
>> First, a question.
>> How many people like to read books? I know I do. How many people were 
>> overjoyed that entire text books were going to be put online? I was. 
>> However, a lot of EBooks cannot be read by any screen reader we have today. 
>> Why? Simply put, the text of the book is contained within an OCR image, and 
>> there is a special reader required to read them. These are not your standard 
>> PDF files, and the books are protected by DRM, so there is no way to extract 
>> the contents into programs like text edit.
>> As a book worm, I tried out the Kindle app for the IPhone, and was delighted 
>> to find that a book that I wanted to read was available on the Kindle store. 
>> However, my joy turned to bitter disappointment when I realized that while I 
>> could navigate the book's table of contents, cover, and chapters to an 
>> extent, the text was completely inaccessible. Furthermore, my text books for 
>> my classes were not usable. Ladies and gentlemen, I fear that unless we as 
>> blind consumers stand up, and demand that these publishers put their text 
>> books into standard native file formats, such as pdf or doc, we will lose a 
>> lot of access to books, and our chances to succeed at college will be 
>> severelydiminished. So, anyone have any thoughts of what to do?
>> I thought about starting a petition to ask Amazon to require their 
>> publishers to make their books usable, but figured that I would be a 
>> laughing stock for doing so, as most publishers probably wouldn't have the 
>> time to read, much less consider what I was asking for.
>> My point is, as long as E texts get more and more graphical, our chances to 
>> read will be greatly impaired, and as more and more books become exclusively 
>> online, we will lose access to the latest editions of books altogether. 
>> Thoughts, anyone?
>>  You may also skype me at pianomagic88
>> 
>> Jes
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RE: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool bars

2010-02-04 Thread Linda Adams

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool
bars

Been a while since I changed my commonly used bookmarks bar. New
bookmarks are added to the beginning so it shift everything over by one.
That means your #1 slot becomes the most recently bookmarked item and
you'll find your old #1 is now in the #2 slot. Easiest way I've found to
rearrange is to open up the Show All Bookmarks with command-option-b,
navigate to the bookmarks bar and then to the table listing the items in
the bookmarks bar. From there you can highlight the bookmark you want to
move, cut it, move to where you want it to be and paste it.

CB

Linda Adams wrote: 

Chris,
I've used this method and it is quite nice.  I have a question. if I add
another web page to the bookmark bar, will it take the first position
and move the others down a number?  If so, is there a way I can
reposition the bookmarks so the one I use the most keeps the short cut
command 1?

Thanks,
Linda

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a couple of Safari questions--bookmarks top sites and tool
bars

Another handy bit is that any bookmarks you store in the bookmarks bar
can be fired up just by hitting command-# where the number is the order
which the bookmark is in the bar list. So my most commonly used sites
are in the bookmark bar slots 1-5. To get to the first item at any time
in Safari I just hit command-1 and I'm there.

CB

Scott Howell wrote: 

Amber,

First the Top sites is a fancy name for the most recently visited sites.
The more sites you visit, the more likely they will fall off the list.
Second to access a bookmark, I interact with the url in the table and
use VO-shift-m to bring up the contextual menu. THen you can select the
action you wish.  As far as the menu bar, you could use a hot spot which
is VO-shift-a number 1-9 and you can remove this hot spot with the same
steps and to go to that hot spot, you simply press VO-number where
number is 1-9.

hth,

On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Amber Pearcy wrote:

Good morning listers,

As you can see from the subject line, I have several questions for all
of you today.  I'll start with the questions about bookmarks and top
sites.  I have been trying to figure out the difference and functions of
both of these two components of Safari for several months now, but I
can't seem to make much headway.  Is top sites only meant to be a
temporary list of the most recently visited sites, or does it actually
store bookmarks permanently?  I was under the impression that I could
store my bookmarks there permanently, but often, when I try to find a
specific bookmark, it isn't in that list.

In regards to the actual bookmarks section of the browser, I have never
been successful opening the bookmarks that I have saved there.  I have
tried VO space, clicking with VO Shift space and double clicking.  I
think I have even searched in vain for a contextual menu.  Therefore, I
resorted to saving everything in top sites, but now, even this doesn't
seem to be working well.

Concerning the tool bars, if I know that there is a tool bark at the top
of a web page or in 

a particular program, is there a shortcut or VO command that will take
me to the tool bar from anywhere in the program or on the web page?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Peace,

Amber   

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Additional help needed with Reading line by line

2010-02-04 Thread Linda Adams

Thanks to Nic, Chantel and Anne for their comments on this question but
I still haven't had success.  My question deals with web pages and I
have a Mac Book 10.6 

When I began working on this, , like Nic says, I could advance through a
web page with just pressing the down arrow but it would completely skip
paragraphs when I did that.  Pressing VO and down arrow did nothing
beside sounding a beep.  When I used the right or left arrows, it moved
through the text without skipping anything but read a whole paragraph at
a time.  When I got to the beginning of a paragraph, I could interact
with the text but I could only go word by word through the paragraph
using VO right/left arrows.  .  

Then, as suggested by Anne,  I tried using quick nav for the first time
and things got really strange. I understood that pressing the right and
left arrows together will turn it on and off as a toggle.  this has not
been the case.  Sometimes it toggles and sometimes it doesn't.  Should I
hold the keys or should it be a quick simultaneous press?  At one point,
it appeared to have turned on and I was, in fact, able to read through a
paragraph a line at a time.  Replicating this has not been easy.  And
after playing with the quick nav, I can no longer go through the web
page with just the right and left arrows without pressing the VO keys.
I guess I changed something but I don't know what I did.
The tracking is still on.  

All suggestions are welcomed.

Linda

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Read line by line

Hi,

Apple made it possible in 10.6 to read by using only the arrow keys on
websites. However, it seems like a really flaky solution, and doesn't
seem to work all of the time.

Regards,
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> Hi,
> 
> I have not found a way to read by line when on the internet.
> 
> Les
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editing playlists in Itunes

Is there a way to add to an existing playlist that is not a smart play list? I 
just made a play list that has all the songs I've bought from the itunes store 
in the jazz genre. I'd like to add to that if and when I buy more songs in this 
same genre. My first idea was to use a smart play list, but having failed at 
making one that didn't have some problem, I decided to just select all the 
stuff I had and make list from selection. That's fine until I get more songs. I 
have read the help topic on smart playlists and the one on playlists but am 
definitely not understanding that dialogue that comes up when you want to make 
a smart play list.

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Re: editing playlists in Itunes

2010-02-04 Thread Ricardo Walker

Yup,

To add songs to and existing regular playlist find the song or songs you want 
to add, interact with the playlist, press VO shift M to bring up the context 
menu.  In the context menu, arrow down to "add songs to playlist".  Open this 
sub menu then press enter on the playlist you want to add to.

hth
On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Is there a way to add to an existing playlist that is not a smart play list? 
> I just made a play list that has all the songs I've bought from the itunes 
> store in the jazz genre. I'd like to add to that if and when I buy more songs 
> in this same genre. My first idea was to use a smart play list, but having 
> failed at making one that didn't have some problem, I decided to just select 
> all the stuff I had and make list from selection. That's fine until I get 
> more songs. I have read the help topic on smart playlists and the one on 
> playlists but am definitely not understanding that dialogue that comes up 
> when you want to make a smart play list.
> 
> Mary
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Re: editing playlists in Itunes