How does one keep the top sites bar from showing up? I can usually get it to go away but it seems to return randomly. On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Esther wrote:
> Hi Robert, > > I think that you can move bookmarks and/or folders with copy and paste, or > even cut and paste. As far as I can tell, the top sites acts as though it's > a folder location within the bookmarks bar, and I can copy and paste folders > from my bookmarks bar into the regular bookmarks folders, or rename them once > they have been pasted there. Just make sure that you actually move to the > table of collections, etc. before you try to paste or create a new folder. > The "undo" command (Command-z) should keep you from getting into any problems > if you get unexpected results. > > I don't actually use "top sites" in my bookmarks. Safari 4 introduced the > use of CoverFlow view and keeping images of web pages (that get displayed in > the "top sites" option and also in CoverFlow view). Since images take up > storage space that I'm not likely to use, I disable as much of this as I can. > There was a way to disable the Preview image options under the Safari 4 beta > that can no longer be used under the regular Safari 4. Actually, I realize > now that I can have "top sites" without having Preview Images, so I could > turn this setting back on. I regularly use the "Reset Safari" option under > the Safari menu with the option for "Remove all Preview images" checked -- > just to get rid of these. > > I think that the only reason "Top Sites" appears as the default location for > saving bookmarks is that it's the first item in the list. Once you've saved > a bookmark to another location, that location then appears as the default > location for saving bookmarks in your dialog window. > > HTH > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Feb 3, 2010, Robert Carter wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have been storing my bookmarks under top sites. This is the default when >> you elect to set a bookmark. I have learned to use the top sites system but >> if I wanted to move these bookmarks from top sites to the regular bookmarks >> table, could I do this using VoiceOver? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Robert Carter >> >> >> On Feb 3, 2010, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hello Amber, >>> >>> I'll try to add my answers to Scott's regarding the use of bookmarks in >>> Safari. Top Sites is a feature that was introduced in Safari 4. Instead >>> of being sites that you choose to bookmark, these are the sites that you >>> visit most frequently, based on your recent browsing activity. The idea is >>> that you can easily get back to these sites without having to set a >>> bookmark for them, and that the places that make up your top sites will >>> change depending on your interests over time. In contrast, you might use >>> bookmarks for more permanent markers. >>> >>> When you show your Bookmarks page (with Command-Option-B), there are >>> basically three areas: (1) a search field for running searches of your >>> bookmarks, (2) a table for selecting the collection or folder of bookmarks >>> you want to use, and (3) a table that lists the individual bookmarks in >>> your selected collection or folder. This is very much like the >>> organization of iTunes and other applications. What may be complicating >>> your view of the layout when you try to navigate this page is the presence >>> of both the bookmarks bar and the toolbar (which includes the address bar) >>> in Safari. You can toggle these between hide and view with the following >>> keyboard shortcuts: >>> >>> Command-Shift-B hides or shows the bookmarks bar for Safari >>> Command-Shift-backslash hides or shows the toolbar for Safari (where the >>> backslash key is the rightmost key immediately below the delete key and >>> above the return key on an English language keyboard) >>> >>> Keeping the bookmarks bar and the toolbar hidden for Safari is an old trick >>> that was used starting back in Tiger when VoiceOver's navigation options >>> were less sophisticated -- the items in Safari's bookmarks bar and toolbar >>> show up both in item chooser menu and when you navigate by tabbing or with >>> VO-arrow keys, so hiding these bars simplifies VoiceOver's view. >>> >>> Once you have hidden the bookmarks bar and the toolbar, pressing tab will >>> cycle you between the three areas that I described. Pressing Shift-tab will >>> cycle you through these areas in the opposite direction. >>> >>> When you show your bookmarks page with Command-Option-B, you should be >>> positioned in the search box, with your selected folder or collection from >>> the table of collections or folders pointed to the location you last used. >>> This selection could also point to your "history" of visited sites (that >>> were not bookmarked). If you press tab you should be taken to the table of >>> individual bookmark locations listed under that category. Interact >>> (VO-Shift-Down arrow) to read and select individual entries. >>> >>> You can open a bookmark simply by pressing the space bar once when you're >>> on your selection, although Scott's correct that the context menu >>> (VO-Shift-M) will show you a range of options (including "open"). Having >>> learned this before there was context menu support, I simply use space to >>> open bookmarked pages and I click on either the name or address field of my >>> bookmark with VO-Shift-space to edit the name or address. >>> >>> To select a different folder, use tab or your VO-arrow keys to move to the >>> table of folders and collections, interact, and navigate to the selection >>> either with VO-up or down arrows or by typing the first few letters of the >>> folder name. Then stop interacting and tab to the table of bookmark entries >>> for that folder. >>> >>> You can also search for entries. Either type in your search term in the >>> search text field when you first show the bookmarks page or use Command-F >>> and type in your search term(s) then press return. You'll be taken to the >>> search field. VO-left arrow to find out the number of matches. VO-left >>> again to find out the search locations -- there should be two specified: >>> the first is your selected folder or collection location and the second is >>> "All". One of these will say "checked". To run the same search for the >>> other location (i.e. "All" or your selected folder), select that location >>> with VO-space. Then, tab to the table of results. You'll find the matches >>> for each case. Just press space to navigate to a selection. >>> >>> Scott has mentioned the hot keys for the bookmarks bar. There is a general >>> shortcut key for moving to a toolbar: Control-F5. This is a Mac OS X >>> shortcut that is not specific to Safari. If the toolbar is hidden, it will >>> also show the toolbar. >>> >>> I generally keep my toolbar and address bar hidden. (If I show them, I >>> either use Shift-Tab to move to the table to select my folder, or I open my >>> bookmarks page with the shortcut for creating a new bookmarks folder: >>> Command-Option-N. This opens the page and takes my focus to the table of >>> folders. Since I don't really want to create a new folder I then do a >>> Command-Z to "undo" my created folder.) >>> >>> I find that I can still access my address bar (with Command-L to copy or >>> paste in address locations), and my Google search bar (with >>> Command-Option-F). However, as soon as I execute my actions, the toolbar >>> closes again, so these items don't show up when I use item chooser menu, >>> etc. >>> >>> There's an old archived post on bookmarks that I wrote two years ago. It >>> lists the entries that show up under the table of categories (including >>> history items and RSS feeds), but I think the present description is more >>> up to date. However, it was pretty detailed, so if you want to check it >>> out, here's the location in the old Mailing List archives for this list: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg30591.html >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2010, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> Amber, >>>> >>>> First the Top sites is a fancy name for the most recently visited sites. >>>> The more sites you visit, the more likely they will fall off the list. >>>> Second to access a bookmark, I interact with the url in the table and use >>>> VO-shift-m to bring up the contextual menu. THen you can select the action >>>> you wish. As far as the menu bar, you could use a hot spot which is >>>> VO-shift-a number 1-9 and you can remove this hot spot with the same steps >>>> and to go to that hot spot, you simply press VO-number where number is 1-9. >>>> >>>> hth, >>>> On Feb 3, 2010, Amber Pearcy wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good morning listers, >>>>> >>>>> As you can see from the subject line, I have several questions for all of >>>>> you today. I'll start with the questions about bookmarks and top sites. >>>>> I have been trying to figure out the difference and functions of both of >>>>> these two components of Safari for several months now, but I can't seem >>>>> to make much headway. Is top sites only meant to be a temporary list of >>>>> the most recently visited sites, or does it actually store bookmarks >>>>> permanently? I was under the impression that I could store my bookmarks >>>>> there permanently, but often, when I try to find a specific bookmark, it >>>>> isn't in that list. >>>>> In regards to the actual bookmarks section of the browser, I have never >>>>> been successful opening the bookmarks that I have saved there. I have >>>>> tried VO space, clicking with VO Shift space and double clicking. I >>>>> think I have even searched in vain for a contextual menu. Therefore, I >>>>> resorted to saving everything in top sites, but now, even this doesn't >>>>> seem to be working well. >>>>> >>>>> Concerning the tool bars, if I know that there is a tool bark at the top >>>>> of a web page or in >>>>> >>>>> a particular program, is there a shortcut or VO command that will take me >>>>> to the tool bar from anywhere in the program or on the web page? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance for your help. >>>>> >>>>> Peace, >>>>> >>>>> Amber > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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