Re: mailboxes still not creating

2009-11-19 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Yuma,

Could you possibly have hidden your mailboxes by mistake? Try pressing 
Command-Shift-m to get them back.

Cheers,

Anne

On Nov 19, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> I've been bleeding my fingers on google for this solution, but it appears 
> nowhere, or some of the closest ones don't actually solve my problem.
> 
> Basically, isn't there a mailbox called on your mac, and isn't there supposed 
> to be an outbox folder? those aren't there. As for the draft folder, it 
> appears when i have a draft saved. and the outbox appears when my net 
> connection doesn't work or is idle, nad its there. SO what is the thing here, 
> where all the folders i create are just not there. 
> 
> When i go and create a new mailbox, it tells me to name it from the top of 
> the list, which itself is called on my mac. from there it seems to ramify 
> into subsequent folders, and i've got like a long chain of folders within 
> folders in my menu choices during the mailbox creation process, but none of 
> them appear on my mailbox pane.
> 
> This is really weird. anyone encountered this?
> 
> best
> 
> Yuma
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Re: system sounds through computer speakers

2009-11-19 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Stan,

On Nov 18, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Stan wrote:
> Please tell me what do I do? I am trying to get sound through my  
> "internal speakers"" but system prefs, sound," "output" "popup  
> button" is dimmed on head set.
When you plug headphones into the Jack socket on your computer, it 
automatically cuts out the internal speakers. If you want sound from the 
internal speakers and through a headset, you need to use either USB or 
BlueTooth.

If you have unplugged the headset from the Jack socket and it is still stuck on 
Headset, it means that the micro-switch inside the Jack socket is jammed.

Cheers,

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Re: Savitar, Is Anyone Using It?

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas McMahan
Hello Anouk, Thank you for your responce, I too have been trying to  
tinker around with the application you mentioned.  I am hoping the  
developer will have a brakethrough in solving some of the various  
problems VO users are experiencing with it.

It's interesting that with Savitar i can move around easily, but lots  
of it is dimmed, not all of it but lots of it.  Also in it's "world  
picker" it had a simmular problem that JamochMUD has that it's list  
is dimmed to me.  I went through the Savitar forem pages, but nothing  
obvious concerning VO.

I guess so far Atlantis and Mudwalker and Tintin++ are still our  
viable options, each with limitations or not much development going  
on at least for one of them.  And in the case of SL not sure whats  
going on with Mudwalker, especially as concerning VO. 
  

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Re: Savitar, Is Anyone Using It?

2009-11-19 Thread anouk radix
Hello, atlantis does not work too well, i tried it and contacted the developer, 
no luck. Not sure about mudwalker, tintin work sin terminal so that should 
work, i just want a native mac application to do it (preferrably with msp sound 
and triggers).
Greetings, Anouk
On Nov 19, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote:

> Hello Anouk, Thank you for your responce, I too have been trying to  
> tinker around with the application you mentioned.  I am hoping the  
> developer will have a brakethrough in solving some of the various  
> problems VO users are experiencing with it.
> 
> It's interesting that with Savitar i can move around easily, but lots  
> of it is dimmed, not all of it but lots of it.  Also in it's "world  
> picker" it had a simmular problem that JamochMUD has that it's list  
> is dimmed to me.  I went through the Savitar forem pages, but nothing  
> obvious concerning VO.
> 
> I guess so far Atlantis and Mudwalker and Tintin++ are still our  
> viable options, each with limitations or not much development going  
> on at least for one of them.  And in the case of SL not sure whats  
> going on with Mudwalker, especially as concerning VO. 
> 
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A Question Regarding The TrackPad in Snow Leopard

2009-11-19 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Everyone,  

During my convalescent from a terrible bout with the Flu (no, not H1N1)
(Smile) I've been reading my Macintosh/VoiceOver Snow Leopard user manual
and going through the exercises in an effort to better my understanding of
this truly marvelous OS.  

Just so you know I have a MacBook Pro 13 inch.  

Anyway, on Braille page 42, in the section labeled Navigating Finder it
reads, "...Move to the Doc by pressing VO-D or, if you're using VoiceOver
gestures, double-tap near the bottom edge of the TrackPad."  

A couple of paragraphs later, in the same section it continues, "...If a
Finder window was open you go to that window.  Otherwise, you go to the
desktop.  In that case, go to the menu bar by pressing VO-M or, if you're
using VoiceOver gestures, double-tap near the top edge of the TrackPad."

In both examples, the manual seems to imply that where one taps the TrackPad
will effect the result of the action.  Is this correct?  At present, it
doesn't matter where I tap the TrackPad because, regardless of the edge, the
same thing happens.  That is, a tap is a tap.  Based on the text, there must
be some additional configuration needed to make the TrackPad sensitive to
where it is being tapped.  

If anyone has the answer, I would greatly appreciate it as I cannot seem to
locate the solution.  

Thank you,

Mark
  

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Re: mailboxes still not creating

2009-11-19 Thread Yuma Antoine Decaux
Hi Anne,

The mailbox window is there,

The newly created mailboxes just don't show up though.

I have four mail accounts, and they are all in the inbox tree, so are the sent, 
trash and smart mailboxes.

But i just can't get the mailboxes i create to appear in the list. It's really 
annoying me, because i got rid of the com.apple.mail.pw plist, but i get the 
same problem, no outbox, and no newly created mailboxes.

So i reverted back to my backuped plist, and i am left with the same inability 
to get new mailboxes for cleaning my whole mail experience...

best

Yuma

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Re: Savitar, Is Anyone Using It?

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas McMahan
Hello Anouk, agreed concerning Atlantis.  Have played a little with  
it on Mariani, but it is awkwardin some ways.  Still have it in case  
a game has a format that Mudwalker doesn't like.  Mudwalker also has  
some awkward issues, and not sure what it would do on a fast mud for  
example, or one that has lots of stuff going on action within a room  
you might be in. It however, as in Mudwalker also doesn't have MSP  
either, and that's something that would be nice to have, thus my  
interest in Savitar which does support MSP, but we've already started  
a discussion concerning that application,it has more fundamental  
issues going on there.

I guess we'll keep trying between us as users and developers, or at  
least those who are still seriously trying to develope we'll get  
something figured out*lol.*


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Re: mailboxes still not creating

2009-11-19 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Yuma,

Have you tried interacting with the mailbox table, going down to On My Mac, 
which should say "Collapsed", and then pressing right arrow? That should expand 
On My Mac and show you all the mailboxes.

Cheers,

Anne

On Nov 19, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> 
> The mailbox window is there,
> 
> The newly created mailboxes just don't show up though.
> 
> I have four mail accounts, and they are all in the inbox tree, so are the 
> sent, trash and smart mailboxes.
> 
> But i just can't get the mailboxes i create to appear in the list. It's 
> really annoying me, because i got rid of the com.apple.mail.pw plist, but i 
> get the same problem, no outbox, and no newly created mailboxes.
> 
> So i reverted back to my backuped plist, and i am left with the same 
> inability to get new mailboxes for cleaning my whole mail experience...
> 
> best
> 
> Yuma
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Re: A Question Regarding The TrackPad in Snow Leopard

2009-11-19 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi,

Keep in mind it's a two-finger double tap, not a tap. You two-finger double tap 
at the top to go to the menu bar, two-finger double tap right to go to the 
Window Chooser, two-finger double tap left to bring up Application Chooser and 
two-finger double tap bottom to go to the Dock. A good idea if you want to get 
the gestures down is to turn on keyboard help when the trackpad is on.

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> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> During my convalescent from a terrible bout with the Flu (no, not H1N1)
> (Smile) I've been reading my Macintosh/VoiceOver Snow Leopard user manual
> and going through the exercises in an effort to better my understanding of
> this truly marvelous OS.  
> 
> Just so you know I have a MacBook Pro 13 inch.  
> 
> Anyway, on Braille page 42, in the section labeled Navigating Finder it
> reads, "...Move to the Doc by pressing VO-D or, if you're using VoiceOver
> gestures, double-tap near the bottom edge of the TrackPad."  
> 
> A couple of paragraphs later, in the same section it continues, "...If a
> Finder window was open you go to that window.  Otherwise, you go to the
> desktop.  In that case, go to the menu bar by pressing VO-M or, if you're
> using VoiceOver gestures, double-tap near the top edge of the TrackPad."
> 
> In both examples, the manual seems to imply that where one taps the TrackPad
> will effect the result of the action.  Is this correct?  At present, it
> doesn't matter where I tap the TrackPad because, regardless of the edge, the
> same thing happens.  That is, a tap is a tap.  Based on the text, there must
> be some additional configuration needed to make the TrackPad sensitive to
> where it is being tapped.  
> 
> If anyone has the answer, I would greatly appreciate it as I cannot seem to
> locate the solution.  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Savitar, Is Anyone Using It?

2009-11-19 Thread anouk radix
Hey, havent tried mudwalker yet but I will now. I am interested in the new iron 
realms game midkemia online which is based on books by Raymond Feist, but i 
have experienced that if you want to play these games properly you really need 
sound triggers for combat.
Greetings, Anouk
On Nov 19, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote:

> Hello Anouk, agreed concerning Atlantis.  Have played a little with  
> it on Mariani, but it is awkwardin some ways.  Still have it in case  
> a game has a format that Mudwalker doesn't like.  Mudwalker also has  
> some awkward issues, and not sure what it would do on a fast mud for  
> example, or one that has lots of stuff going on action within a room  
> you might be in. It however, as in Mudwalker also doesn't have MSP  
> either, and that's something that would be nice to have, thus my  
> interest in Savitar which does support MSP, but we've already started  
> a discussion concerning that application,it has more fundamental  
> issues going on there.
> 
> I guess we'll keep trying between us as users and developers, or at  
> least those who are still seriously trying to develope we'll get  
> something figured out*lol.*
> 
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Re: Savitar, Is Anyone Using It?

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas McMahan
Haven't tried that game, but did play Achiafor a while.

In Mudwalker, after you've installed it and got it going, or when you  
just normally open it it will come up with an Untitled screen.   
Interact with the edit fieldand start typing the world name, or host  
name.  For example for Mud.legend, I just type the letters l e, and  
it fills in the rest because it's been ther.  Then back out the  
interaction, VO spacebar on the CONNECTbutton, go back into the same  
edit field, use VO end key which wil take you to bottom of the  
current screen.  At that time you should be in blank lines. VO up  
arrow you will find either a statement of "looking up" which isn't  
good because it didn't find host, or "by what name shall we know  
you."  At that point just enter your charicter name, or whatever the  
game requires you to type to form a new charicter.

With Mudwalker though, you will be dealing with VO END key a lot, and  
I've also found that when I type anything active in a mud, you of  
course hit enter/return, but you also have to hit tab or you just get  
a bonk sound from VO.  But once you've learned that repetitive  
habbit, you probably won't even think about it.

every once in a great while though Mud walker will get goofy though,  
and you will be moving around, and not see anything but your repeated  
stat bar, or equally as bad, what you were typing in as inputbut not  
output.  At that point, go to Recall, or Rent save, or whatever your  
particular world's system is for getting out safely, and close  
Mudwalker down, then restart it a little later and it should be ok  
when you re-conect.  I see that happen more on mud legendthough, but  
over time I have played that game the most I think.

Just tried 4 dimensionsyesterday and that seemed to work ok.

Also if you see a game on the web that's interesting, just go over  
and open Mudwalker, go back over to Safari or whatever and copy  
address and paste it then on end of host name just type (:) with the  
( and ) of course, and then the port number they give, click conect  
and it should hook up.

If mudwalker as an application already has information about a world  
though, it will like Safari's address field start filling it in.   
It's default in those situations is to already have it highlighted,  
but even your first letters though unhighlighted will carry through  
as long as you just stop interacting and go click connect.

It's a simple application, but in some ways it's pretty good, in  
others like some of the other applications we've discussed it has  
limitations, and sometimes can be a pain.

It also probably depends on your style of how you like to play games  
as well.
I just remembered though a problem I had today.  While in 4  
Dimensions,I was doing their quest academyand in one room I typed the  
Word "clue" it reacted with usaying me the words that the charicter  
would say to get the clue, but I couldn't get the information via VO,  
so that was a little bit of a bother, but survivable, wound up  
figuring that one out anyway unlike a couple of others *lol.*  So I  
think certain types of text are not always picked up by VO in  
Mudwalker, but that may happen as well in Atlantis, can't remember  
because it's been a while since I've played with that.  Think it was  
last May when I used that.

Hope that can give you a little bit of a start.  Mudwalker does have  
a list as well, it's not overly active, but every once in a while  
somebody will have a question, and usually somebody will try to  
answer it constructively.

I think the only thing I've heard about Mudwalker and SL is that  
there is an issue with games running rosettaand it crashing mudwalker  
sometimes.  I can't say anything about VO and Mudwalker with SL  
though or even Lepardsince I'm still using Tiger here, others will  
have to address that.

73.

  
  

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Re: mailboxes still not creating

2009-11-19 Thread Yuma Antoine Decaux
Hi Anne,

That's the thing. There is no on my mac. Its just not there. from wht i read on 
the options and preferences, the on my mac is supposed to be at the top of the 
mailbox list, but for some reason its not there.

So i wonder what sort of bad manipulation i did to erase it from my mailbox 
list.

thanks, and best

Yuma

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mudwalker: open source!!

2009-11-19 Thread anouk radix
Hello, I just went checking into mudwalker and it seems to be open source! I 
know jamochamud is as well but that one is in jhava, mudwalker is in cocoa so 
that should in theory be able to work really well with both voicover and sl. If 
we can find some people that are comfortable with cocoa and apples 
accessibility protocols. Mudwalker can be found very easily through google.
Greetings, Anouk

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Re: mudwalker: open source!!

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas McMahan
It also lists quite often in various game lists of Mac compatible  
cliants, but more in older and long term games.

The developer is also at least in the list that is deticated to  
mudwalker users.  How active he is currently in development I don't  
know, but I don't think at least he's stopped.

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Re: system sounds through computer speakers

2009-11-19 Thread Stan
Hi Anne,
Thanks for this, I think you have just hit it on the head.   I think  
the "micro-switch" must be jammed, for when I tried the "parameter  
ram reset" with my headset unplugged, I still had no sound.
I will now have to find some "eyes" to help and check things out, and  
maybe fidle the "jack socket".
Cheers
U2me&me2u,
Stan.

On 19 Nov 2009, at 10:41 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Stan,
>
> On Nov 18, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Stan wrote:
>> Please tell me what do I do? I am trying to get sound through my
>> "internal speakers"" but system prefs, sound," "output" "popup
>> button" is dimmed on head set.
> When you plug headphones into the Jack socket on your computer, it  
> automatically cuts out the internal speakers. If you want sound  
> from the internal speakers and through a headset, you need to use  
> either USB or BlueTooth.
>
> If you have unplugged the headset from the Jack socket and it is  
> still stuck on Headset, it means that the micro-switch inside the  
> Jack socket is jammed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
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mudwalker

2009-11-19 Thread anouk radix
Hello, I am trying mudwalker right now but apparently it does not run 
immediately within sl. I need to install rosetta to run it...
Gretings, Anouk 

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Re: mudwalker

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas McMahan
Ut-oh!

Some on the mudwalker list had trouble with it, maybe you won't, more  
interesting is how VO will work with it in combo with SL.


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RE: The vo-bs mailing list

2009-11-19 Thread Frank Ventura
This is the error I gotr when I tried to subscribe:

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

  Subject:  subscribe
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Hi,

I tried to send a subscription. It gave me a return error.

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> On Nov 14, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I get  a mail failure when I mail to the list.
>> 
>> 
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>> Nic
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>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I've cross posted this to the three Apple related mailing lists
of which I am a member.  It is apropos to all three and anyone can
delete one or more if, like me, they are subscribed to all of them.
>>> 
>>> Over a year ago, I started a mailing list called vo-bs which
intended to be a home for off topic conversations and general chatter
from the Mac and VO using community.  As VO is now on virtually all
Apple products, members of the BS list should not feel that anything is
specifically off topic.  In fact, this list has no specific topic so
nothing can qualify as off topic.
>>> 
>>> To subscribe, send a blank message to
vo-bs-reque...@lists.hofstader.com with "subscribe" in the subject line.
Once I approve you all will be happy.
>>> 
>>> Please add this to web sites and the like about Mac, VO etc. so
others can have a place to go when they want to venture off the topical
lists and into the weird.
>>> 
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Re: The vo-bs mailing list

2009-11-19 Thread Chris Hofstader
Use vo-bs-requ...@lists.hofstader.com.  In my original post I had requests (the 
plural) and the list software uses the singular, request.
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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> 
> 
> Hi,
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> I tried to send a subscription. It gave me a return error.
> 
> Regards,
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> On Nov 14, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
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>> 
>> Have you subscribed?
>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I get  a mail failure when I mail to the list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
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>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
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>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 Yes, I've cross posted this to the three Apple related mailing lists
> of which I am a member.  It is apropos to all three and anyone can
> delete one or more if, like me, they are subscribed to all of them.
 
 Over a year ago, I started a mailing list called vo-bs which
> intended to be a home for off topic conversations and general chatter
> from the Mac and VO using community.  As VO is now on virtually all
> Apple products, members of the BS list should not feel that anything is
> specifically off topic.  In fact, this list has no specific topic so
> nothing can qualify as off topic.
 
 To subscribe, send a blank message to
> vo-bs-reque...@lists.hofstader.com with "subscribe" in the subject line.
> Once I approve you all will be happy.
 
 Please add this to web sites and the like about Mac, VO etc. so
> others can have a place to go when they want to venture off the topical
> lists and into the weird.
 
 cdh 
> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
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Re: A Question Regarding The TrackPad in Snow Leopard

2009-11-19 Thread Peggy Fleischer
It is a two finger tap  near the bottom edge for the dock and the top edge for 
the menu. I have found that it is best to tap as close to the middle so that 
the gesture is not interpreted as a wright or left edge tap. 

It takes a while to get the hang of it but is very nice once you get 
comfortable with the gestures.

Peggy Fleischer
peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net

 Psalm 90 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto 
wisdom.

On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:03 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> During my convalescent from a terrible bout with the Flu (no, not H1N1)
> (Smile) I've been reading my Macintosh/VoiceOver Snow Leopard user manual
> and going through the exercises in an effort to better my understanding of
> this truly marvelous OS.  
> 
> Just so you know I have a MacBook Pro 13 inch.  
> 
> Anyway, on Braille page 42, in the section labeled Navigating Finder it
> reads, "...Move to the Doc by pressing VO-D or, if you're using VoiceOver
> gestures, double-tap near the bottom edge of the TrackPad."  
> 
> A couple of paragraphs later, in the same section it continues, "...If a
> Finder window was open you go to that window.  Otherwise, you go to the
> desktop.  In that case, go to the menu bar by pressing VO-M or, if you're
> using VoiceOver gestures, double-tap near the top edge of the TrackPad."
> 
> In both examples, the manual seems to imply that where one taps the TrackPad
> will effect the result of the action.  Is this correct?  At present, it
> doesn't matter where I tap the TrackPad because, regardless of the edge, the
> same thing happens.  That is, a tap is a tap.  Based on the text, there must
> be some additional configuration needed to make the TrackPad sensitive to
> where it is being tapped.  
> 
> If anyone has the answer, I would greatly appreciate it as I cannot seem to
> locate the solution.  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
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Re: mudwalker: open source!!

2009-11-19 Thread Tyler Littlefield
I can possibly take a look, though I've had thoughts of just developing a mud 
client via carbon; I've not managed to get xCode working, and objective c makes 
me cry. :)
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> It also lists quite often in various game lists of Mac compatible  
> cliants, but more in older and long term games.
> 
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> mudwalker users.  How active he is currently in development I don't  
> know, but I don't think at least he's stopped.
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Re: mudwalker

2009-11-19 Thread Tyler Littlefield
VO locks up because it needs to be compiled with a new version of cocoa.
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> Ut-oh!
> 
> Some on the mudwalker list had trouble with it, maybe you won't, more  
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Copying files to a shared folder?

2009-11-19 Thread Chris Hofstader
Hi,

I'm moving off of my old MacBook 13 and onto my new MacBook Pro 13.  I shared 
the Documents folder on the new computer, went over to the old one, went into 
its Documents folder, did a select all and copy and it said 48 items copied.  I 
went to the shared folder in Finder from the new computer while on the older 
one.  I did a "paste" and it said something about pasting 48 items which 
sounded good to me.  I was asked if I wanted to replace items and I said yes to 
replace all.  Then, still on the older machine, I get a dialogue that says 
"Copying" and it says it is copying more than 3000 files to the Documents 
folder on the new computer.

What did I do wrong?  Where did the 48 files that I copied go?  I think this is 
the first task I've needed where Windows seems easier, not easier enough to go 
back, just a bit easier in one way.

cdh

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Re: mudwalker: open source!!

2009-11-19 Thread anouk radix
Hello, I thought carbon was not used anymore and replaced with cocoa? Could be 
wrong though...
Greetings, Anouk
On Nov 19, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> I can possibly take a look, though I've had thoughts of just developing a mud 
> client via carbon; I've not managed to get xCode working, and objective c 
> makes me cry. :)
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote:
> 
>> It also lists quite often in various game lists of Mac compatible  
>> cliants, but more in older and long term games.
>> 
>> The developer is also at least in the list that is deticated to  
>> mudwalker users.  How active he is currently in development I don't  
>> know, but I don't think at least he's stopped.
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Re: mudwalker

2009-11-19 Thread anouk radix
Hello, I just tried mudwalker in sl, lots of stuff seems to be unlabeled and it 
gets a lot of busy messages, i found it rather unusable.
Greetings, Anouk
On Nov 19, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> VO locks up because it needs to be compiled with a new version of cocoa.
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:34 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote:
> 
>> Ut-oh!
>> 
>> Some on the mudwalker list had trouble with it, maybe you won't, more  
>> interesting is how VO will work with it in combo with SL.
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Re: mudwalker: open source!!

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas McMahan
I think the general tendancy over the past few years is to go with  
cocoa, suppose there could be a few applications which are still  
carbon.  My worywith carbon is how vo friendly will it be.  That was  
part of the issues between users of VO and Itunes,because it was a  
little slow about going toward cocoa.  At least that was a big part  
of the excuse in the past as to why it wasn't very accessible for us.

But hey, you wanna develope it, I'll give it a shot always looking  
for the perfect mud cliant *lol.* 

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disclosure?

2009-11-19 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi all,

In the Save as Dialog in Text Edit, there is a checkbox that simply  
says Disclosure.  To what does this refer?
TIA,
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Re: mudwalker

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas McMahan
Not good!

Sounds like quite a bit of work for Mudwalker to catch up for SL then.

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RE: A Question Regarding The TrackPad in Snow Leopard

2009-11-19 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Nic and Peggy,

Thank you both for this help.  I now understand and it is working
beautifully. 

Have a great day.

Mark




-Original Message-
From: Nicolai Svendsen [mailto:chojiro1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding The TrackPad in Snow Leopard

Hi,

Keep in mind it's a two-finger double tap, not a tap. You two-finger double
tap at the top to go to the menu bar, two-finger double tap right to go to
the Window Chooser, two-finger double tap left to bring up Application
Chooser and two-finger double tap bottom to go to the Dock. A good idea if
you want to get the gestures down is to turn on keyboard help when the
trackpad is on.

Regards,
Nic
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On Nov 19, 2009, at 10:03 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> During my convalescent from a terrible bout with the Flu (no, not H1N1)
> (Smile) I've been reading my Macintosh/VoiceOver Snow Leopard user manual
> and going through the exercises in an effort to better my understanding of
> this truly marvelous OS.  
> 
> Just so you know I have a MacBook Pro 13 inch.  
> 
> Anyway, on Braille page 42, in the section labeled Navigating Finder it
> reads, "...Move to the Doc by pressing VO-D or, if you're using VoiceOver
> gestures, double-tap near the bottom edge of the TrackPad."  
> 
> A couple of paragraphs later, in the same section it continues, "...If a
> Finder window was open you go to that window.  Otherwise, you go to the
> desktop.  In that case, go to the menu bar by pressing VO-M or, if you're
> using VoiceOver gestures, double-tap near the top edge of the TrackPad."
> 
> In both examples, the manual seems to imply that where one taps the
TrackPad
> will effect the result of the action.  Is this correct?  At present, it
> doesn't matter where I tap the TrackPad because, regardless of the edge,
the
> same thing happens.  That is, a tap is a tap.  Based on the text, there
must
> be some additional configuration needed to make the TrackPad sensitive to
> where it is being tapped.  
> 
> If anyone has the answer, I would greatly appreciate it as I cannot seem
to
> locate the solution.  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Re: disclosure?

2009-11-19 Thread Marshall Scott
Hi Donna,
Checking this box expands the dialog to include things like the choice of view 
in the table and some other navigation aids.  Try clicking it.  You won't hurt 
anything.
Marsh

On Nov 19, 2009, at 7:09 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> In the Save as Dialog in Text Edit, there is a checkbox that simply  
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> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: + Buy Apple computers and pay and pay and pay (fwd)

2009-11-19 Thread Dan Eickmeier
I certainly  can't imagine having adds inserted into the Os, and  don't see 
Apple doingsomething  that crazy.  
On Nov 18, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have two thoughts about inserting ads into the OS and both are bad.
> 
> First, those of us who use VoiceOver do not need any distracting other sounds 
> that are not the result of an action we had taken or (like the tone when an 
> email arrives) we expect to happen.
> 
> Second, some times we need to get some bit of information off of a computer 
> in a real hurry and waiting for Ford to show us its latest underpowered 
> version of the once classic Mustang would be incredibly frustrating.
> 
> I suppose the only possible positive is that Apple could create two classes 
> of Macintosh: a full priced MacBook Pro for $1199 or one locked down with ads 
> for $599 giving a slightly crippled solution to people who want to save some 
> money.
> 
> The "already paid for it" argument lacks real substance as I already paid for 
> our LED television but I still have to watch commercials even though I paid 
> my cable bill and for my Bose home entertainment system, etc.  No matter how 
> much hardware I slap onto our system, I still hear commercials.
> 
> cdh
> On Nov 17, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
> 
>> I don't get what Apple would want this in MacOSX for anyways. If we are 
>> paying for it, it should be ad free. I'd hate to think too, if you did 
>> streaming to a shoutcast server, they could insert audio into that, which 
>> one may not want to happen.
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Karen Lewellen" 
>> To: "list voiceover" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:04 PM
>> Subject: + Buy Apple computers and pay and pay and pay (fwd)
>> 
>> 
>> I got this on another list.  They cannot be serious?  Can you imagine what
>> this would sound like, not to mention the gross intrusion on computing?
>> The list of possible places for these ads,  is frightening.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Original URL:
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/16/intrusive_apple_ad_patent/
>> Apple seeks OS-jacking advert patent
>> 
>> 
>> It's an ad ad ad ad world
>> 
>> By Rik Myslewski in San Francisco
>> 
>> Posted in Operating Systems, 16th November 2009 20:27 GMT
>> 
>> Hitachi IT Operations Analyzer: 30-day free trial.
>> 
>> Apple has filed a patent application for an intrusive ad-presentation system
>> that requires users to acknowledge adverts before getting on with their 
>> work.
>> 
>> The recent patent filing
>> (http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220090265214%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20090265214&RS=DN/20090265214)
>> carries the unusually straightforward title "Advertisement in Operating
>> System." The described system would be buried deep in a device's OS - so 
>> deep
>> that, in the words of the filing, "the advertisement presentation can in 
>> effect
>> 'take over the system' in relevant aspects for a limited time."
>> 
>> The filing specifically describes the system as "disabling" normal operation 
>> of
>> a device while the ad is being presented. The ad - either "visual or 
>> audible" -
>> could be presented in a window on top of all other open windows, in a
>> background window, or even in an application window or "inserted in content
>> from an application program."
>> 
>> If we're deciphering Apple's patentese correctly, this mean that you could 
>> be
>> working in, say, Photoshop, and a new canvas could pop up containing a
>> mouth-watering illo of some tasty treat from Frito-Lay - and you couldn't 
>> get
>> back to work until you somehow acknowledged the ad by, for example, clicking 
>> as
>> directed.
>> 
>> Or, for that matter, since an ad could be "inserted in content from an
>> application program," you could be merrily coding along in BBEdit when a 
>> couple
>> of lines appeared in your code suggesting that you investigate Travelocity's
>> latest package deal - and you'd not be able to complete your job until you, 
>> as
>> suggested in the filing, performed one of many possible actions.
>> 
>> These actions might result in the system "causing presentation of a page 
>> from
>> an advertiser associated with the advertisement; recording a user rating of 
>> the
>> advertisement; again presenting the advertisement; sharing the advertisement
>> with another user; initiating a transaction for user purchase of a product 
>> that
>> eliminates the presentation of advertisements on the device," among other
>> possibilities.
>> 
>> As is usually the case in such filings, the range of possible devices is a 
>> long
>> one, "including without limitation, portable and desktop computers, servers,
>> electronics, media players, game devices, mobile phones, wireless devices,
>> email devices, personal digital assistants (PDAs), embedded devices,
>> televisions, set top boxes, etc."
>> 
>> The appearance of servers on that list is particularly t

Re: + Buy Apple computers and pay and pay and pay (fwd)

2009-11-19 Thread Yuma Antoine Decaux
Come to think about it, netnewswire does that until you pay up for registration.

Imagine that it happens, it basically means you're leasing the computer to 
Apple, which is given to you free, but from where you will have to pay to avoid 
the ads, or bear them to keep the free computer.

That would only happen on desperate territories, where apple, a 
hardware/software, luxury niche company, is overthrown by cloud computing and 
el cheapo terminals all over the globe with free services by google.

And now the connection is made. Just rid one potentially evil competitor from 
making more bucks from these disturbing sales pitches.

Best

Yuma

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Re: disclosure?

2009-11-19 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Marsh,

I did click it and see all that stuff.  It was clear that these things  
were connected, but I wanted to make sure that the disclosure option  
didn't impact anything else.  Thanks for the explanation.
Best,
Donna
On Nov 19, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Marshall Scott wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> Checking this box expands the dialog to include things like the  
> choice of view in the table and some other navigation aids.  Try  
> clicking it.  You won't hurt anything.
> Marsh
>
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 7:09 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In the Save as Dialog in Text Edit, there is a checkbox that simply
>> says Disclosure.  To what does this refer?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: mailboxes still not creating

2009-11-19 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Yuma,

Have a look in your Home folder under Library. In there, you should have a 
folder called Mail, inside which you should find a folder called Mailboxes. 
Have a look in there and see whether your mailboxes are present.

If they're all there, try going to the Mailbox menu and selecting Rebuild.

I don't know whether this will work, but it's worth a try before doing anything 
more drastic.

Cheers,

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Re: mailboxes still not creating

2009-11-19 Thread Esther
Hello Yuma and Anne,

Anne's advice about rebuilding your mailbox if all else fails is a  
good suggestion, but prepared for this to take some time.  Here's the  
relevant section about troubleshooting your mail from the "Take  
Control of Apple Mail in Leopard" guide (SL update not out yet):


Fix Mailbox Problems

Most of the time, Mail works just as you expect it to, correctly
displaying all the messages you’ve filed in any mailbox when you
select that mailbox. If your mailboxes begin misbehaving, though—
not displaying messages you know they contain or taking an
extremely long time to show their contents, for example, you can
try some easy tricks to fix them.
If your envelope index—a special database that Mail uses to keep
track of which messages are in which mailboxes—and the other files
that Mail uses to catalog messages become severely damaged, Mail
may exhibit any of several symptoms, including:
• Missing messages
• Incorrect message counts, in which the number of unread mes-
sages shown next to the mailbox name in the sidebar differs from
the number of unread messages you see inside the mailbox
• An empty mailbox, even though you know it contains messages
• Failure to move messages into a mailbox (manually or using rules
• Incorrect or missing results when searching by message headers
(From, To, or Subject)
If you suspect that a mailbox contains errors, the standard cure-all
is to rebuild it. To do this, select the mailbox (or more than one) and
choose Mailbox > Rebuild.

If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to ~/Library/
Mail and drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash. When you launch
Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “reimport” all your messages
(just as it may have done when you upgraded from Tiger to Leopard).
Let it do so—it’s recreating your envelope index from scratch, but
don’t worry, you won’t lose any data, such as labels or message status—
and when it finishes, your mailboxes should behave correctly.


You'll see that your problems are included in the list of symptoms that
rebuilding may fix.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

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>
> Have a look in your Home folder under Library. In there, you should  
> have a folder called Mail, inside which you should find a folder  
> called Mailboxes. Have a look in there and see whether your  
> mailboxes are present.
>
> If they're all there, try going to the Mailbox menu and selecting  
> Rebuild.
>
> I don't know whether this will work, but it's worth a try before  
> doing anything more drastic.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
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Re: + Buy Apple computers and pay and pay and pay (fwd)

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas McMahan
And does anyone remember Juno e-mail?

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Date and Time

2009-11-19 Thread Stan
Hi One and All,
Einstein taught on this, but can some one please just put me straight
eg. "On Nov 19, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Marshall Scott wrote"
When?  Where? and with relation to, when? where?
Is the date and time relative to the point of sender or receiver.
Cheers,Me2u&u2me,
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Re: Date and Time

2009-11-19 Thread Esther
Hi Stan,

I think that most mail programs are set up to report time using the  
date and time of the receiver.  If you read the mail headers, the  
convention is to send information relative to GMT (Greenwich Mean  
Time).  There's usually some information about the time relative to  
GMT (e.g the number of hours offset) at the sender's location when the  
mail is generated.  Your mail program in turn, reads that GMT time,  
but interprets it for your local time.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

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> Hi One and All,
> Einstein taught on this, but can some one please just put me straight
> eg. "On Nov 19, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Marshall Scott wrote"
> When?  Where? and with relation to, when? where?
> Is the date and time relative to the point of sender or receiver.
> Cheers,Me2u&u2me,
> Stan.
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Re: mudwalker

2009-11-19 Thread anouk radix
I contacted the developer, will see if I get a reply. So far I have contacted 
all the developers of clients I could find, the only one that contacted me back 
is the one from jamochamud.
Greetings, Anouk
On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Thomas McMahan wrote:

> Not good!
> 
> Sounds like quite a bit of work for Mudwalker to catch up for SL then.
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Re: macfusion and sshfs

2009-11-19 Thread Esther
Hi John,

On Nov 18, 2009, John G. Heim wrote:

> Anybody have any experience with the macfusion sshfs client? This is  
> not
> fusion the virtual machine tool. I'm talking about macfusion  for  
> mounting a
> filesystem from an ssh server.  I installed the google macfuse  
> software and
> macfusion but when I run fusion, I get buttons that are unlabeled.  
> VoiceOver
> just says"button, button, button" when I tab through them. And if I  
> press
> control+option+space to click the buttons, nothing happens.
>

I haven't used Macfusion, which is a GUI based, open source front end  
for the MacFUSE project to expedite file sharing across various  
platforms.  I've used ExpanDrive, which is a commercial application  
that's based on the MacFUSE project, and is available for $39.95 from  
this site:

http://www.expandrive.com/mac

I'm not running version 2, which is the major update that was released  
in April 2009, since I bought an earlier version of the program some  
months before at half price.  Version 2 reportedly fixed the one  
accessibility issue of access to the ExpanDrive status bar menu.  I  
should add that it's perfectly possible to run the program without  
accessing the status bar menu -- if you open the program you have  
access to the full range of status bar menu options, and one of the  
members on the mac-access list who enthused about this program and its  
accessibility wasn't even aware initially that this was an issue until  
I asked whether this had been fixed.

ExpanDrive has support for FTP, SFTP, and Amazon S3.  There are a lot  
of extra features that are not in the Open Source software  
implementations: for example, if you you're on a laptop and connect to  
these servers to use them through the FInder interface as though they  
were external USB hard drives attached to your computer, when you move  
to a new location with a different network address (e.g., from work to  
home), the drives automatically re-attach for your new location.  The  
other reason for initially being interested in this commercial  
implementation rather than the open source version is that early  
reviews showed this ran with greater stability and lower latency, as  
well as supporting extra features.  This interface runs much faster  
than products like Cyberduck and iDisk, and way faster than using the  
network connect to server (Command-K to connect to server in Finder,  
then type in an afp or smb network address) in Finder, which is only  
good for local network connections (and is lower on security).  On the  
other hand, many people may not need this.  I still find using ssh and  
sftp from terminal lets you do a lot, but if you're dealing with very  
high-volume data transfers and loads, or are using this in a data- 
intensive environment or for commercial purposes, you might find  
ExpanDrive of interest.

There's also a Windows version of ExpanDrive that's sold by the same  
people.  I'll paste in a bit of one of my posts to the mac-access  
list, which contains links to reference articles, but please realize  
this was written half a year before I bought ExpanDrive, and I've had  
this for a year, so there have been lots of improvements.  The  
original post was in response to a question about whether there was a  
better software solution for Mac OS X FTP Server Administration.


Subject:Re: Mac OS X FTP Server Administration

Date:   May 30, 2008

To: mac-acc...@tft-bbs.com

Hi,

On May 28, 2008  wrote:
>
> I've been asked about this a few times, and I confess I'm quite
> curious myself.  If there is a GUI way of doing the same thing I'd
> love to hear about it.

Have you heard of ExpanDrive, a recent commercial software product
($29) that extends file services under the Finder so that you can
mount SFTP servers and use them through the GUI? This builds on the
MacFUSE effort to extend file system usage.  (FUSE stands for
Filesystem in USErspace and was originally conceived for Linux;
MacFUSE is an open-source Mac port of this mechanism that was
released about a year and a half ago).  The volumes mount and
can be used similar to the way you can use your iDisk under Finder
under a dot Mac account.  The main limitation seems to be that,
as with other usages through MacFUSE, there are problems negotiating
symbolic links that would be recognized on your remote volume if
you accessed it through SSH or SFTP through the terminal, but
which would not be recognized if the volumes appear as though they
were mounted on your local Mac.  I haven't tried this, but if I
were working routinely with servers, as you do, I'd take a look at
this.  The URL is http://www.magnetk.com/expandrive

The most informative reviews I've read are from Daring Fireball:

http://daringfireball.net/2008/03/expandrive

and more recently from MacResearch (see user comments, too):

http://macresearch.org/expandrive-brings-sftp-and-ssh-finder

What looks particularly good about the ExpanDrive implementation
i

Re: + Buy Apple computers and pay and pay and pay (fwd)

2009-11-19 Thread Tiffany D
I doubt Apple would do that too because then no one would buy their
products.  It's also crazy to think they'd put the ads directly in the
os, particularly since company's products change so much.  I mean,
what would happen if, for some reason, someone really did want to buy
a product but didn't upgrade the os, so clicked on a link that no
longer existed?  If Microsoft etc. decide to go down that route, Apple
just might follow them.  I'm glad that I'm switching to Enhanced
DR-DOS for most serious work.  I'd like to see them try to mess with
that os, particularly since it's free.  But if they put these ads on
webpages, Net-Tamer or even the more modern browsers and screenreaders
like VocalEyes, Provox and so on probably wouldn't like them too much
and that could cause problems.  You can be certain that if Apple does
this, the only product I'll be using of their's will be my IIGS.

Later,
Eleni

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accessible dvd converter?

2009-11-19 Thread John J Herzog
Hi listers, 
I want to take some dvds I own, and convert them to avi files. Are there any 
accessible programs that do this? I have tried a few, but they do not appear to 
be compatible with voiceover. 
Thanks,

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Re: + Buy Apple computers and pay and pay and pay (fwd)

2009-11-19 Thread ben mustill-rose
Everyone needs to chill out and take a few seconds to look at what's
going on here.

Firstly, whilst apple do like there money, there not stupid. They kno
that if this were to ever happen, the amount of protesting by there
users would cause them such bad pr eventually that it wouldn't be
worth doing it even if it did bring them in some money as in the long
term, it would be them that would be losing out. On top of this, they
kno that a matter of days / weeks after they released this "feature",
all the major tech sites would be running stories about how to disable
the adds - its just the nature of some techy people, if they don't
want to put up with something, they won't.

I agree with those of you who think that they've done it to stop
another company from doing it. What probably happened was that they
were given some info about how another software company were going to
do it and since they felt that it was such a bad idea, they acted in
the best interest of consumers and secured the paitent.

Calm down people, nothing to see here.

On 19/11/2009, Tiffany D  wrote:
> I doubt Apple would do that too because then no one would buy their
> products.  It's also crazy to think they'd put the ads directly in the
> os, particularly since company's products change so much.  I mean,
> what would happen if, for some reason, someone really did want to buy
> a product but didn't upgrade the os, so clicked on a link that no
> longer existed?  If Microsoft etc. decide to go down that route, Apple
> just might follow them.  I'm glad that I'm switching to Enhanced
> DR-DOS for most serious work.  I'd like to see them try to mess with
> that os, particularly since it's free.  But if they put these ads on
> webpages, Net-Tamer or even the more modern browsers and screenreaders
> like VocalEyes, Provox and so on probably wouldn't like them too much
> and that could cause problems.  You can be certain that if Apple does
> this, the only product I'll be using of their's will be my IIGS.
>
> Later,
> Eleni
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Re: Date and Time

2009-11-19 Thread Stan
Hi Esther,
Thank you, Oh wise one, I should have known, you would have the  
answer.  I have never really taken time to read the headers.
Cheers,
U2me&me2u,
Stan.

On 19 Nov 2009, at 8:07 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Stan,
>
> I think that most mail programs are set up to report time using the
> date and time of the receiver.  If you read the mail headers, the
> convention is to send information relative to GMT (Greenwich Mean
> Time).  There's usually some information about the time relative to
> GMT (e.g the number of hours offset) at the sender's location when the
> mail is generated.  Your mail program in turn, reads that GMT time,
> but interprets it for your local time.
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> On Nov 19, 2009, Stan wrote:
>
>> Hi One and All,
>> Einstein taught on this, but can some one please just put me straight
>> eg. "On Nov 19, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Marshall Scott wrote"
>> When?  Where? and with relation to, when? where?
>> Is the date and time relative to the point of sender or receiver.
>> Cheers,Me2u&u2me,
>> Stan.
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Re: mudwalker

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas McMahan
I think Jeff the developer of JamochaMUD is seriously interested  
though in accessibility, well, that's the deffinite impression I get.


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Re: A Question Regarding The TrackPad in Snow Leopard

2009-11-19 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi,

It's a two-finger double tap on my trackpad. I checked all four gestures with 
the keyboard help before writing it so I was sure it was correct. :)

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On Nov 19, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:

> It is a two finger tap  near the bottom edge for the dock and the top edge 
> for the menu. I have found that it is best to tap as close to the middle so 
> that the gesture is not interpreted as a wright or left edge tap. 
> 
> It takes a while to get the hang of it but is very nice once you get 
> comfortable with the gestures.
> 
> Peggy Fleischer
> peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net
> 
>  Psalm 90 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts 
> unto wisdom.
> 
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:03 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> During my convalescent from a terrible bout with the Flu (no, not H1N1)
>> (Smile) I've been reading my Macintosh/VoiceOver Snow Leopard user manual
>> and going through the exercises in an effort to better my understanding of
>> this truly marvelous OS.  
>> 
>> Just so you know I have a MacBook Pro 13 inch.  
>> 
>> Anyway, on Braille page 42, in the section labeled Navigating Finder it
>> reads, "...Move to the Doc by pressing VO-D or, if you're using VoiceOver
>> gestures, double-tap near the bottom edge of the TrackPad."  
>> 
>> A couple of paragraphs later, in the same section it continues, "...If a
>> Finder window was open you go to that window.  Otherwise, you go to the
>> desktop.  In that case, go to the menu bar by pressing VO-M or, if you're
>> using VoiceOver gestures, double-tap near the top edge of the TrackPad."
>> 
>> In both examples, the manual seems to imply that where one taps the TrackPad
>> will effect the result of the action.  Is this correct?  At present, it
>> doesn't matter where I tap the TrackPad because, regardless of the edge, the
>> same thing happens.  That is, a tap is a tap.  Based on the text, there must
>> be some additional configuration needed to make the TrackPad sensitive to
>> where it is being tapped.  
>> 
>> If anyone has the answer, I would greatly appreciate it as I cannot seem to
>> locate the solution.  
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: A Question Regarding The TrackPad in Snow Leopard

2009-11-19 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi,

Definitely quite welcome. Glad it works for you.

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On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:25 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Nic and Peggy,
> 
> Thank you both for this help.  I now understand and it is working
> beautifully. 
> 
> Have a great day.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nicolai Svendsen [mailto:chojiro1...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding The TrackPad in Snow Leopard
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Keep in mind it's a two-finger double tap, not a tap. You two-finger double
> tap at the top to go to the menu bar, two-finger double tap right to go to
> the Window Chooser, two-finger double tap left to bring up Application
> Chooser and two-finger double tap bottom to go to the Dock. A good idea if
> you want to get the gestures down is to turn on keyboard help when the
> trackpad is on.
> 
> Regards,
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> On Nov 19, 2009, at 10:03 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> During my convalescent from a terrible bout with the Flu (no, not H1N1)
>> (Smile) I've been reading my Macintosh/VoiceOver Snow Leopard user manual
>> and going through the exercises in an effort to better my understanding of
>> this truly marvelous OS.  
>> 
>> Just so you know I have a MacBook Pro 13 inch.  
>> 
>> Anyway, on Braille page 42, in the section labeled Navigating Finder it
>> reads, "...Move to the Doc by pressing VO-D or, if you're using VoiceOver
>> gestures, double-tap near the bottom edge of the TrackPad."  
>> 
>> A couple of paragraphs later, in the same section it continues, "...If a
>> Finder window was open you go to that window.  Otherwise, you go to the
>> desktop.  In that case, go to the menu bar by pressing VO-M or, if you're
>> using VoiceOver gestures, double-tap near the top edge of the TrackPad."
>> 
>> In both examples, the manual seems to imply that where one taps the
> TrackPad
>> will effect the result of the action.  Is this correct?  At present, it
>> doesn't matter where I tap the TrackPad because, regardless of the edge,
> the
>> same thing happens.  That is, a tap is a tap.  Based on the text, there
> must
>> be some additional configuration needed to make the TrackPad sensitive to
>> where it is being tapped.  
>> 
>> If anyone has the answer, I would greatly appreciate it as I cannot seem
> to
>> locate the solution.  
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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voices app

2009-11-19 Thread Yuma Antoine Decaux
Hi list,

I have just purchased the voices app from tap tap tap, and though its a really 
fun app to have, it has some accessibility issues and went straight to the 
developer's page to ask them to remedy to the following issues:
-voice over not reading the stop record button
-labelling of the buttons relative to managing the file (ie: save, delete, send 
by mail etc)

Short brief on the app:

Voices allow you to record your voice, then output it to various types of 
voices.

By head, these followings are the ones i saw on the main menu which is 
accessible:
-cyborg
-chipmunk
-voxcoder

There are more but i went so fast as to point tap tap tap about this issue that 
i left exploring the app on hold.

It costs 99 cents right now, and i will make it one of my fvorites if they make 
it accessible entirely across the board.

Waiting on a reply from them

Best


Yuma Decaux

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Re: system sounds through computer speakers

2009-11-19 Thread peter apgar
try canned air.  use small bursts it should free it with out the risk of 
breaking anything off in it.

Pete 
On Nov 19, 2009, at 7:00 AM, Stan wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> Thanks for this, I think you have just hit it on the head.   I think  
> the "micro-switch" must be jammed, for when I tried the "parameter  
> ram reset" with my headset unplugged, I still had no sound.
> I will now have to find some "eyes" to help and check things out, and  
> maybe fidle the "jack socket".
> Cheers
> U2me&me2u,
> Stan.
> 
> On 19 Nov 2009, at 10:41 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Stan,
>> 
>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Stan wrote:
>>> Please tell me what do I do? I am trying to get sound through my
>>> "internal speakers"" but system prefs, sound," "output" "popup
>>> button" is dimmed on head set.
>> When you plug headphones into the Jack socket on your computer, it  
>> automatically cuts out the internal speakers. If you want sound  
>> from the internal speakers and through a headset, you need to use  
>> either USB or BlueTooth.
>> 
>> If you have unplugged the headset from the Jack socket and it is  
>> still stuck on Headset, it means that the micro-switch inside the  
>> Jack socket is jammed.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
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Re: mudwalker

2009-11-19 Thread KehzaFox
Hi there,

Indeed I am quick interested in implementing accessibility in JamochaMUD
and am hoping (despite a bought of the flu) to do a new release very
shortly.

I do have to admit that I'm a little baffled by the voice-over reports
though... some folks say that labels aren't showing up at all, others
say there are labels for some things, I think someone indicated that
things seemed to work, and then one person who couldn't get beyond a
"Java is busy" type of message.  I think I need to figure out some
sort've baseline, or maybe wire up a specific webstart to get some
repeatable instances going on.

I also need to be more proactive and start asking more questions on the
Apple Dev lists.

You are correct though, I will take any constructive criticism or
suggestions for JamochaMUD... I just need folks that're willing to
report their findings.  I sometimes miss things on this list...

Jeff

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> though in accessibility, well, that's the deffinite impression I get.
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Re: for esther/ hp 5590 drivers

2009-11-19 Thread Esther
Hi Anouk,

Sorry that the new HP drivers weren't on the site.  I didn't actually  
try to download them, since I don't have this model scanner myself. I  
just assumed that since a large number of drivers were added in the  
newly updated Apple article on scanner and printers supported under  
SL, and since HP put a link to Mac OS X 10.6 on the page for that  
product that there really was an updated Snow Leopard driver at the  
other end.  I think they're just running late.

Many other scanners have been updated recently with Snow Leopard  
compatible drivers.  I know that I found Canon drivers that weren't  
listed in the Apple Summary document for SN printers and scanners in  
updated form.

Cheers,

Esther

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> Hello Esther, I went through the page with the item chooser (i know  
> a strange way to do things bu tI have noticed with some pages if I  
> dont do it that way then I miss links, i use dom mode) I did selext  
> mac os x 10.6 and english which is the default driver language and i  
> have installed sl in English. The only thing I could find however is  
> a statement from 14 september about driver availability but no  
> actual drivers. According to the schedule on their site it should be  
> available in late october but no such luck. Guess they are behind in  
> development.
> Greetings, Anouk
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Re: voices app

2009-11-19 Thread Dan Eickmeier
Hmmm, ok.  Is this an iPhone/iPod touch app, or a Mac app?  
On Nov 19, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> I have just purchased the voices app from tap tap tap, and though its a 
> really fun app to have, it has some accessibility issues and went straight to 
> the developer's page to ask them to remedy to the following issues:
> -voice over not reading the stop record button
> -labelling of the buttons relative to managing the file (ie: save, delete, 
> send by mail etc)
> 
> Short brief on the app:
> 
> Voices allow you to record your voice, then output it to various types of 
> voices.
> 
> By head, these followings are the ones i saw on the main menu which is 
> accessible:
> -cyborg
> -chipmunk
> -voxcoder
> 
> There are more but i went so fast as to point tap tap tap about this issue 
> that i left exploring the app on hold.
> 
> It costs 99 cents right now, and i will make it one of my fvorites if they 
> make it accessible entirely across the board.
> 
> Waiting on a reply from them
> 
> Best
> 
> 
> Yuma Decaux
> 
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Re: system sounds through computer speakers

2009-11-19 Thread Stan
Hi Peter,
Thanks for this good idea, I had not yet given much thought to just  
how I was going to tackle the "jack socket switch" problem.
Cheers,

U2me&me2u,
Stan.

On 20 Nov 2009, at 4:15 AM, peter apgar wrote:

> try canned air.  use small bursts it should free it with out the  
> risk of breaking anything off in it.
>
> Pete
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 7:00 AM, Stan wrote:
>
>> Hi Anne,
>> Thanks for this, I think you have just hit it on the head.   I think
>> the "micro-switch" must be jammed, for when I tried the "parameter
>> ram reset" with my headset unplugged, I still had no sound.
>> I will now have to find some "eyes" to help and check things out, and
>> maybe fidle the "jack socket".
>> Cheers
>> U2me&me2u,
>> Stan.
>>
>> On 19 Nov 2009, at 10:41 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Stan,
>>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Stan wrote:
 Please tell me what do I do? I am trying to get sound through my
 "internal speakers"" but system prefs, sound," "output" "popup
 button" is dimmed on head set.
>>> When you plug headphones into the Jack socket on your computer, it
>>> automatically cuts out the internal speakers. If you want sound
>>> from the internal speakers and through a headset, you need to use
>>> either USB or BlueTooth.
>>>
>>> If you have unplugged the headset from the Jack socket and it is
>>> still stuck on Headset, it means that the micro-switch inside the
>>> Jack socket is jammed.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
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Re: voices app

2009-11-19 Thread Scott Rutkowski
Ok first of all you don't need a stop record button because when you 
doubletap on the voice you wish to record with, it starts recording 
immediatly and you simply doubletap to stop recording and then hold the home 
button down for about 3 seconds and let it go.
Then simply press the home button again and you get voiceover back.
When a recording is saved, the name of the recording is the name of the 
voice you used when you first started the recording.

This app is perfectly accessible no changes except for the voiceover bug is 
needed.

One of the most brilliant apps i've used on the iPhone 3gs in a long long 
time.

Thanks to tap tap tap for this fine app.


- Original Message - 
From: "Yuma Antoine Decaux" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: voices app


> Hi list,
>
> I have just purchased the voices app from tap tap tap, and though its a 
> really fun app to have, it has some accessibility issues and went straight 
> to the developer's page to ask them to remedy to the following issues:
> -voice over not reading the stop record button
> -labelling of the buttons relative to managing the file (ie: save, delete, 
> send by mail etc)
>
> Short brief on the app:
>
> Voices allow you to record your voice, then output it to various types of 
> voices.
>
> By head, these followings are the ones i saw on the main menu which is 
> accessible:
> -cyborg
> -chipmunk
> -voxcoder
>
> There are more but i went so fast as to point tap tap tap about this issue 
> that i left exploring the app on hold.
>
> It costs 99 cents right now, and i will make it one of my fvorites if they 
> make it accessible entirely across the board.
>
> Waiting on a reply from them
>
> Best
>
>
> Yuma Decaux
>
> Light has no value without darkness
> Skype: shainobi1
> twitter: www.twitter.com/triple7
> Tel: +85513623378
> Yuma Antoine Decaux
> jamy...@gmail.com
>
>
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Re: voices app

2009-11-19 Thread Scott Rutkowski
It's an iPhone iPod touch app.


- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Eickmeier" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: voices app


> Hmmm, ok.  Is this an iPhone/iPod touch app, or a Mac app?
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I have just purchased the voices app from tap tap tap, and though its a 
>> really fun app to have, it has some accessibility issues and went 
>> straight to the developer's page to ask them to remedy to the following 
>> issues:
>> -voice over not reading the stop record button
>> -labelling of the buttons relative to managing the file (ie: save, 
>> delete, send by mail etc)
>>
>> Short brief on the app:
>>
>> Voices allow you to record your voice, then output it to various types of 
>> voices.
>>
>> By head, these followings are the ones i saw on the main menu which is 
>> accessible:
>> -cyborg
>> -chipmunk
>> -voxcoder
>>
>> There are more but i went so fast as to point tap tap tap about this 
>> issue that i left exploring the app on hold.
>>
>> It costs 99 cents right now, and i will make it one of my fvorites if 
>> they make it accessible entirely across the board.
>>
>> Waiting on a reply from them
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>> Yuma Decaux
>>
>> Light has no value without darkness
>> Skype: shainobi1
>> twitter: www.twitter.com/triple7
>> Tel: +85513623378
>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>> jamy...@gmail.com
>>
>>
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