lists was : A solution for stopping voiceover from saying empty in the contacts table in Adium

[James & Nash]

Justa question in the lists does VO  VO say 1 of seven etc if there are 
seven items and if so can this be changed?

Thanks

James
- Original Message - 
From: "william lomas" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: A solution for stopping voiceover from saying empty in the 
contacts table in Adium


>
> if you uncheck "status" though would that mean it would not say list
> has seven items?
> What we need now is application specific settings
>
> On 9 Sep 2009, at 07:39, Justin Harford wrote:
>
>>
>> Awesome thank you so much.
>>
>> J
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,a friend   of mine who's not on this list, was playing with
>>> verbosity settings, and we found that if you go under list, and
>>> customise it so that the status isn't spoken, this will fix the
>>> problem of voiceover saying empty in the contacts table of Adium.  So
>>> for those who were finding that to be annoying, there's a solution.
>>>
>>>

>>
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>> >
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Re: My MacBook Has Arrived

[Dan Eickmeier]

Cool, glad to hear thatyou  got your Mac.  I'm assuming it has Snow  
Leopard installled on it.  If so,you  can hit control-option-h, and go  
down to the getting started guide, hit return on it, and you'll be  
taken to a nice HTML version of that.  .  It's worth looking at for  
you, since you're  just starting out with the mac.
On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, May and Wynter wrote:

>
> Hi everyone.  Now it's my turn to say, my MacBook has arrived and I  
> need
> help, smile.
>
> How do I learn the different keys and such?  I save lots of emails  
> about the
> Mac so I would have them by the time I got mine, but I don't have  
> anything
> for that.
>
> May, I finally have my Mac, yay!!
> blog: www.true-friends2009.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Ring" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
>
>
>>
>> Indeed it did.  However, sluggish performance with Safari is the case
>> whether this adapter is attached or not.
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it?
>>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
>>>

 You made the right choice.  I tried to save money and purchased a  
 Mac
 Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice.  The reason for my
 disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally
 useless.  I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the
 Mac Mini to connect to a TV.  I received this device in the mail
 today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini.  So, I  
 am
 back to square one.

 This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store
 or
 purchase a chap monitor.  I hope I can find a monitor that is not
 made
 by Apple that will work.  Apple hardware is quite overpriced.  My
 advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of  
 the
 more expensive systems.  You'll most likely end up saving money in
 the
 long run.
 At least I got email to work.
 On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:

>
> The subject line says it all.  Also, I contacted Apple Tech  
> Support
> and
> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi
> external
> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes.   
> Also, I
> learned
> that Time Machine for Backups is included,  Nice!  I'm excited to
> get going!
>
> Les
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Re: My MacBook Has Arrived

[anouk radix]

Nice, all the new blind mac owners. I recently spoke with another  
dutch blind mac owner, who is not on any list but also uses voicover  
at work. I am glad I am not the only blind dutch person that uses the  
mac after all and its nice that the general blind mac community seems  
to be increasing.
Greetings, Anouk
On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

>
> Cool, glad to hear thatyou  got your Mac.  I'm assuming it has Snow
> Leopard installled on it.  If so,you  can hit control-option-h, and go
> down to the getting started guide, hit return on it, and you'll be
> taken to a nice HTML version of that.  .  It's worth looking at for
> you, since you're  just starting out with the mac.
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, May and Wynter wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone.  Now it's my turn to say, my MacBook has arrived and I
>> need
>> help, smile.
>>
>> How do I learn the different keys and such?  I save lots of emails
>> about the
>> Mac so I would have them by the time I got mine, but I don't have
>> anything
>> for that.
>>
>> May, I finally have my Mac, yay!!
>> blog: www.true-friends2009.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rich Ring" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Indeed it did.  However, sluggish performance with Safari is the  
>>> case
>>> whether this adapter is attached or not.
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote:
>>>

 Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it?
 On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

>
> You made the right choice.  I tried to save money and purchased a
> Mac
> Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice.  The reason for my
> disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally
> useless.  I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow  
> the
> Mac Mini to connect to a TV.  I received this device in the mail
> today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini.  So, I
> am
> back to square one.
>
> This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple  
> store
> or
> purchase a chap monitor.  I hope I can find a monitor that is not
> made
> by Apple that will work.  Apple hardware is quite overpriced.  My
> advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of
> the
> more expensive systems.  You'll most likely end up saving money in
> the
> long run.
> At least I got email to work.
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>
>>
>> The subject line says it all.  Also, I contacted Apple Tech
>> Support
>> and
>> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi
>> external
>> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes.
>> Also, I
>> learned
>> that Time Machine for Backups is included,  Nice!  I'm excited to
>> get going!
>>
>> Les
>>
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RE: Initial Experience

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Barry,

Got it, and it's set.  Thanks. My wireless network is recognized and I've
been on the Net.  It rocks!  Pages are loading very quickly thus far.  After
work, I'll set up mail.

Les

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Initial Experience


Les,

Open system preferences, keyboard, and go to the keyboard tab.  Then   
look for Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys checked check
box".  Make sure that box is checked.  Then you won't have to use the fn
key.
Hope that helps.

On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:

>
> Hi Barry,
>
> Well, the reason I could not launch the VO utility was that I needed 
> to use the FN key.  Command F5 starts VoiceOver by default which 
> confused me.  Now I'm trying to figure out how to eliminate the need 
> for using the FN key; I know that's in the VO manual, so I'll go look 
> for that option.
>
> Les
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Initial Experience
>
>
> In regards to vo-f8 not working:  the "Use f1, f2, etc as regular  
> function
> keys" isn't checked by default in sl.  Apparently, they have
> cmd-f5 set up as a hot key in some way.
>
> I didn't know that Eset had a version of nod32 for the Mac. 
>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>
>>
>> I powered up my Mac and did some experimenting.  Lots of trial and
>> error, but overall, the system seems very responsive.  I thought I  
>> was
>> going to have to install Snow Leopard, but I don't seem to have a  
>> Snow
>> Leopard DVD.
>> So I tried turning Quick Nav on and received a message that Quick Nav
>> was on.  I'm assuming that in fact, Snow Leopard was pre-installed?
>> I'm certainly not unhappy if that's the case, just want to be certain
>> this is the case.  I did try bringing up the VO utilities menu with  
>> VO
>> F8, but it didn't launch.  Any ideas on that one?  Also, I noticed
>> that Command
>> F5
>> started VoiceOver on my MacBook Pro, but the FN key wasn't required
>> along with Command F5.  I don't recall changing anything related to
>> System Preferences regarding the behavior of the Function keys, but I
>> certainly could have without realizing it.  I went through the setup
>> assistant and have started reviewing the Quick Start VoiceOver
>> tutorial.  I'm off to a slow but happy and steady beginning!
>>
>> Les
>>
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RE: Initial Experience

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Mike,

I got the impression from Apple that if it was pre-installed, I would not
receive a DVD.  I'll call them and see if I can get a DVD for the reason you
stated.

Les 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Initial Experience


If you have the quick nav feature, then you have snow leopard. It should
have came with a dvd or 2 though, in case you need to reinstall. To fix your
function keys, go in to system preferences, and choose keyboard. Check the
option to use the f keys as standard function keys.
On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:

>
> I powered up my Mac and did some experimenting.  Lots of trial and 
> error, but overall, the system seems very responsive.  I thought I was 
> going to have to install Snow Leopard, but I don't seem to have a Snow 
> Leopard DVD.
> So I tried turning Quick Nav on and received a message that Quick Nav 
> was on.  I'm assuming that in fact, Snow Leopard was pre-installed?  
> I'm certainly not unhappy if that's the case, just want to be certain 
> this is the case.  I did try bringing up the VO utilities menu with VO 
> F8, but it didn't launch.  Any ideas on that one?  Also, I noticed 
> that Command
> F5
> started VoiceOver on my MacBook Pro, but the FN key wasn't required 
> along with Command F5.  I don't recall changing anything related to 
> System Preferences regarding the behavior of the Function keys, but I 
> certainly could have without realizing it.  I went through the setup 
> assistant and have started reviewing the Quick Start VoiceOver 
> tutorial.  I'm off to a slow but happy and steady beginning!
>
> Les
>
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Re: Data detector present

[John André Netland]

Hi Christina,

I suppose that if someone was watching your activity, VoiceOver would  
announce
"Data detectives present" instead, or what? Smiles. You are correct  
about the VO-shift-M shortcut; focus Voiceover on the item and press  
the shortcut, and you will get all the possible commands listed.

Greetings from detective John André ;-)





On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Christina wrote:

>
> Oh, that's really cool.  I'm so glad to know what that is.  Funny, I
> thought maybe voice over was letting me know there was someone
> watching my activity on my computer.  :)  How would you add it to
> address book or ical?  Would you select the e-mail address or date and
> then use a context menu with vo plus shift plus m?
>
> Christina
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Jes Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> Christina, This happens whenever Mail encounters dates or email
>> addresses, so you can add them to either ICal or address book. It's
>> just a way to have that particular data pasteD into a new entry so  
>> you
>> don't have to type it in yourself. I'm not sure there is a way to  
>> turn
>> that announcement off, but it's rather nice to have around.
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Christina wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In some of my e-mails voiceover announces "data detector present"
>>> every few words or sentences or so.  Does anyone know why this might
>>> be happening?  It's just kind of weird and I do not know what this
>>> means or how to stop this from occurring.  I had never heard this
>>> before the upgrade.  Any ideas?  It does not seem to affect the
>>> performance but it is odd and somewhat annoying.
>>>
>>> Thanks so much,
>>> Christina
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
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Re: Migration Assistant not recognizing External Hard Drives

[Justin Kauflin]

Hey thanks for that.  Good to know.  One question, has anyone been
successful in partitioning a hard disc with the disc utility and Voice
Over?  I can't seem to get too far with partitioning a disc.  I am
having a hard time selecting a partition in order to name it and set a
size etc...  If anyone is having luck with this and VO, I'm all ears!
Thanks.

Esther wrote:
> Hi Jonathan, Justin, and Others,
>
> There's a very good recent article at TidBITS about "How to Reformat a
> New External Hard Disk":
> http://db.tidbits.com/article/10307
>
> The issue, as Jonathan mentions is that while you can copy files from
> other drives, even drives that were formatted for Windows, you can't
> migrate from drives that use a different format structure.  What's
> even more confusing is that there are two Apple partitioning schemes
> depending on whether you use an Intel Mac (GUID partition table) or
> older PowerPC Mac (Apple partition table), and while you can boot an
> Intel Mac from a disk that was created with an Apple partition table,
> you can't perform system updates, etc. to such a disk.
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> On Sep 8, 2009, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
> >
> > I have heard this can happen if the partition map on the external disk
> > is not Apple format.  I have heard that when you first get an external
> > disk you should first "partition" it even if you are only going to use
> > one partition so that you are using Apple's prefered partition tables
> > and not another systems.
> >
> > I Heard on the Mac Jury list to select partition disk, then click on
> > options and then there should be a pop up menu to set the type of
> > partition mapping.
> >
> > I can't test this here right now. Perhaps Mark Taylor who just got a
> > new disk will be willing to test for us.
> >
> > On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Justin Kauflin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hey everyone, I am stumped.  I have just did a clean install of Snow
> >> Leopard.  I tried running migration assistant, but the assistant
> >> doesn't seem to recognize the external hard drives I have plugged in.
> >> i was able to use them to make the back ups, and they show up in the
> >> side bar in the finder, but when I try to have it restore apps from
> >> the external drives, they don't show up.  Anybody have any thoughts
> >> on
> >> why this is.  Thanks so much for any feedback.
> >>>
> >
> >
> > >
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Re: Spaces keyboard shortcuts

[Scott Chesworth]

Hmm, imho it makes no sense, but perhaps there's something that I,
you, and every other list veteran I can think of has overlooked lol.

Seeing as you've got the convo rolling with them this time, perhaps
it's worth an email back asking them how you're supposed to
efficiently cycle through applications only within the selected space
and only using the keyboard.  It'll either yield the overlooked
answer, or maybe make the penny drop at their end about the problem.

Scott

On 9/9/09, william lomas  wrote:
>   surely this is not right
> see my original message to accessibility
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Accessibility 
>> Date: 9 September 2009 07:27:26 GMT+01:00
>> To: william lomas 
>> Subject: Re: Spaces keyboard shortcuts
>>
>> Hi William:
>>
>> Command-tab switches between all running applications no matter
>> which space they are in.  This is how it is intended.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:53 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>
>>> Hello to the accessibility team at Apple,,
>>>
>>>
>>> In snowleopard, can one use command tab to switch between
>>> applications in the currently active space, rather than cycling
>>> between all open applications in all spaces?
>>>
>>> For example if in space 1 I have safari, mail and adium, I would
>>> prefer if possible as is the case in Linux, to be able to press
>>> command tab and hear safari, adium, mail for example. If in space 2
>>> I had skype and audio highjack pro, in its current itteration,
>>> command tab would go safari, adium, mail, audio highjack pro and
>>> skype, thereby showing me what is in space 2 as wel las space one.
>>> The command tab sequence should in my view, if one is focused on
>>> space 1 only go through what is in that current space.
>>>
>>>
>>> If the keyboard shortcuts are broken, can this feature please be
>>> considered for a futurue release for voiceover and indeed sighted,
>>> users?
>>> Regards, WIll
>>>
>>
>
>
> >
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Re: Initial Experience

[Scott Howell]

Less, you should have received two DVDs with your system and one is a  
SL restoration disc and the other should contain the optional install  
software such as iLife.
On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:

>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I got the impression from Apple that if it was pre-installed, I  
> would not
> receive a DVD.  I'll call them and see if I can get a DVD for the  
> reason you
> stated.
>
> Les
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:21 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Initial Experience
>
>
> If you have the quick nav feature, then you have snow leopard. It  
> should
> have came with a dvd or 2 though, in case you need to reinstall. To  
> fix your
> function keys, go in to system preferences, and choose keyboard.  
> Check the
> option to use the f keys as standard function keys.
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>
>>
>> I powered up my Mac and did some experimenting.  Lots of trial and
>> error, but overall, the system seems very responsive.  I thought I  
>> was
>> going to have to install Snow Leopard, but I don't seem to have a  
>> Snow
>> Leopard DVD.
>> So I tried turning Quick Nav on and received a message that Quick Nav
>> was on.  I'm assuming that in fact, Snow Leopard was pre-installed?
>> I'm certainly not unhappy if that's the case, just want to be certain
>> this is the case.  I did try bringing up the VO utilities menu with  
>> VO
>> F8, but it didn't launch.  Any ideas on that one?  Also, I noticed
>> that Command
>> F5
>> started VoiceOver on my MacBook Pro, but the FN key wasn't required
>> along with Command F5.  I don't recall changing anything related to
>> System Preferences regarding the behavior of the Function keys, but I
>> certainly could have without realizing it.  I went through the setup
>> assistant and have started reviewing the Quick Start VoiceOver
>> tutorial.  I'm off to a slow but happy and steady beginning!
>>
>> Les
>>
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Re: Initial Experience

[Scott Howell]

That is correct, if you want to change this behavior, go to system  
preferences, keyboard, and check the box that says use f1, f2, etc. as  
function keys or something to that affect. additionally, you can  
easily determine if you are running SL by pressing vo-m and choose  
"About this Mac" and if it says 10.6 then your running SL. Also, you  
are now able to simply use command-f5 to bring up VO whether it is a  
notebook or desktop system.
On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

>
> Try holding down the FN while pressing vo+f8.  Instead of just vo+f8
> it would fn+vo+f8.  That's what I have to do with my wireless keyboard
> to start VoiceOver utility.
>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>
>>
>> I powered up my Mac and did some experimenting.  Lots of trial and
>> error,
>> but overall, the system seems very responsive.  I thought I was
>> going to
>> have to install Snow Leopard, but I don't seem to have a Snow
>> Leopard DVD.
>> So I tried turning Quick Nav on and received a message that Quick
>> Nav was
>> on.  I'm assuming that in fact, Snow Leopard was pre-installed?  I'm
>> certainly not unhappy if that's the case, just want to be certain
>> this is
>> the case.  I did try bringing up the VO utilities menu with VO F8,
>> but it
>> didn't launch.  Any ideas on that one?  Also, I noticed that Command
>> F5
>> started VoiceOver on my MacBook Pro, but the FN key wasn't required
>> along
>> with Command F5.  I don't recall changing anything related to System
>> Preferences regarding the behavior of the Function keys, but I
>> certainly
>> could have without realizing it.  I went through the setup assistant
>> and
>> have started reviewing the Quick Start VoiceOver tutorial.  I'm off
>> to a
>> slow but happy and steady beginning!
>>
>> Les
>>
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Re: trackpad application for iphone and IPod

[Chris Hofstader]

Has anoyone tried this?
On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:00 AM, william lomas wrote:

>
>   hi use your iphone and ipod touch as your trackpad for 
> your mac
>
> Edovia today is proud to announce TouchPad 1.0, its 7th app for iPhone
> and iPod touch. TouchPad is a remote trackpad and keyboard package
> that lets you control any Mac remotely. Use your iPhone or your iPod
> touch to remotely control you computer through WiFi. With TouchPads
> intuitive use, youll feel right at home if you have already used a
> track pad on a MacBook. Its almost like having a micro laptop in your
> hands.
>
> more info at
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/18541087/Edovia-Introduces-TouchPad-10-for-iPhone-and-iPod-Touch
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Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest

[Chris Hofstader]

Following on the training elders at the VA: I couldn't agree more.  I  
have seen far too many smart people walk away from computing because  
JAWS and/or Window-Eyes require far too much memorization.  Having  
lots of very specific commands is great for the advanced user but  
having the ability to build "bundled" commands can be very powerful  
when we start looking at short term memory, the psychology of  
attention and learning theory - all of which need to be considered  
when exporting any sort of interface for people with disabilities or  
not.

cdh
On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:42 PM, timsniffen wrote:

>
> I think it would be a shame to lose the ability to script VoiceOver.
> I work with the Veteran Administration Blind Rehab service and am
> interested in helping older Veterans learn to use the Mac  -- either
> because they were Mac users before losing vision or because they are
> just getting into computing and need a simple interface.  For the
> elderly, problems with memory are at least a great an issue as
> problems with vision, and anything we can do to make important
> everyday computing tasks easier for elderly people with vision loss
> will greatly increase their adoption of the Macintosh.   The ability
> to collapse many steps involving several applications into one or two
> steps is vital to this effort.  As one who has struggled to teach
> Windows screen readers to elderly Veterans for decades, I can't tell
> you how excited I am by VoiceOver's new tools in Snow Leopard --
> AppleScript among them.
>
>
> On Sep 7, 10:32 am, "James & Nash" 
> wrote:
>> Absolutely, I think the thing to remember, is that the scripts are  
>> an option
>> and only an option. Developers are still going to have to make  
>> their apps
>> accessible, especially now that most if not all of the operating  
>> system is
>> now Coaco. I quite like the idea of these scripts. Perhaps we can  
>> add our
>> own features to VO just a they do for Orca which is also an  
>> extensible
>> scriptable Screen Reader.
>>
>> Perhaps others who are more informed on these subjects could add to  
>> or
>> corect me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> Take care
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Ryan Mann" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my  
>> chest
>>
>>> I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers,  
>>> then
>>> don't use them.  It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of
>>> VoiceOver that some people might want.  If the mac gets more  
>>> popular,
>>> some blind people might have to use an application for a job.  If  
>>> that
>>> application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be  
>>> an
>>> option.
>>> n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote:
>>
 That sounds like a good idea.
>>
 On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote:
>>
> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of
> scripts
> to do everything for us.  Maybe we could write to
> accessibil...@apple.com
> and share our thoughts on this.
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote:
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for
>> scripting.
>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application
>> with
>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or
>> seeing
>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about  
>> opening
>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am  
>> concerned
>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that  
>> if
>> we
>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for
>> Macintosh.
>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something
>> that
>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the  
>> use
>> of
>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application
>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the  
>> box.
>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you
>> just
>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's  
>> computer
>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to  
>> use?
>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this
>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is  
>> that
>> it
>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information  
>> as
>> it
>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader  
>> does
>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let  
>> it
>> be.
>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple  
>> developer,
>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the
>> scripts for my applica

snow leopard and fusion

[dannyboy]

Will vm ware's fusion work with snow leopard?
There were some on a forum claiming it might not.

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Re: jamochamud (java program)

[J. Robinson]

Thanks for writing back.

I wasn't certain if there was something I had to do directly to make
JamochaMUD usable by screen readers and the like, but a little poking
around shows that there is indeed a Java Accessible programming
interface.

This implies to me that if I implement the accessible features of Java
then it will probably play nice with the Mac Voiceover.

I do most of my programming in Linux, but luckily my wife has a Mac
laptop so I should be able to do some testing.

Would you mind if I contact you in the future to do some testing for
me once I feel I've got accessibility features added?

Jeff

On Sep 8, 7:20 pm, anouk radix  wrote:
> Hello, sorry for the late reply. I myself recently switched to the mac  
> and am not a programmer. I would love to just use the mac though,  
> replacing windows because i really love the os x operating system anbd  
> voiceover. I would recommend trying to mail accessibil...@apple.com to  
> see if they know of osme improvements you can do... I have also  
> forwarded your message to the other mailing list for blind people on  
> th emac macvoiceover so hopefully you will get some replies.
> Greetings, Anouk
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:29 PM, J. Robinson wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi there,
>
> > I'm the author of JamochaMUD.
>
> > In the interest of making JamochaMUD as good as it can be for multiple
> > platforms, I'd be interested in hearing exactly what problems you are
> > having with JamochaMUD to see if I can solve them.  Especially if
> > there are certain things that are Mac-specific that I may have over-
> > looked.
>
> > Jeff
>
> > On Sep 2, 12:14 pm, anouk radix  wrote:
> >> Hello, this free mud client does not seem to have problems with snow
> >> leopard but it is nt really accessible either, i can read the welcom
> >> screen but then i cant go to menus (if it has those) or go to  
> >> buttons,
> >> they have no help tag.
> >> should java normally work with voicover? Their website is
> >> jamochamud.org and it seems to be the only mudclient for os x that is
> >> still being developed.
> >> Greetings, Anouk
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Re: snow leopard and fusion

[Scott Howell]

Yes it does or at least the little I've done so far which isn't much  
appears to work just fine.
On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:20 AM, dannyboy wrote:

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> Will vm ware's fusion work with snow leopard?
> There were some on a forum claiming it might not.
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OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest

[Chris Hofstader]

Hi,

Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen  
access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional  
sense of the word.  On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but  
mouse cursor (review cursor) mode using a simulated OSM acts kind of  
strange sometimes.  VO does so well because of its tight integration  
with the OS and because the Apple accessibility API is so damn good  
that little that would require an OSM on another system is available  
to the screen reader kind of by default.

Over the past year and a half or so, NVDA has matured into a solid  
little screen reader.  Using MSAA, iAccessible2, some application DOM  
information and possibly some of the Sun Java accessibility stuff, it  
can create something of a tree like view of the screen contents.   
People who work closely with sighted colleagues probably should look  
for a different solution as NVDA speaks items in a logical manner and  
not in any way related to the order which items appear on screen.

NVDA, though, with help and money from Mozilla, IBM, Microsoft and  
Adobe, is really growing up quickly.  Because of the iAccessible2 API  
(free software from IBM), NVDA works with virtually all of OpenOffice  
and the other members of the gecko UI (Firefox for instance)  family  
of programs.  MSAA gives them all of the really basic stuff but,  
unlike Apple, many applications that ship with Windows use non- 
standard techniques for drawing UI and, therefore, do not work  
properly with NVDA.

Mozilla keeps the boys pushing forward on Firefox andother useful free  
software.  Microsoft used its money to pay the guys to support user  
interface automation (UIA) which will be its primary accessibility  
system in Windows 7) and Adobe is paying them to support its peculiar  
MSAA inplimentation that, when accessed properly, has the potential to  
do a good job on Windows at least.

The OSM solutions give application vendors a bit of a freel ride.   
Before Apple added MSAA to iTunes, a JAWS user would have to buy  
scripts from Brian Hartgen (a great guy by the way) to use the program  
as Brian was able to hack around the video information and, from  
there, build something that actually worked.  Thus, if Apple never  
contracted GW Micro to help with the accessibility of their Windows  
version of iTunes, Brian would still be making money selling his  
scripts and Apple could point to him as their accessibility solution  
if anyone complained.

The other side of the OSM coin, though, is that capturing all of those  
loose bits and bytes can add a lot of instability to the overall  
system.  Without getting into the boring details, I'll recommend that  
someone turn on JAWS on a nice XP or Vista box.  Then, turn off the  
screen saver, walk away and every hour or so go to the system  
resources dialogue and see how much memory, handles and CPU usage that  
JAWS is consuming.  For all intents and purposes, these values should  
be identical or at least close to identical at every visit.   
Unfortunately, you will see these numbers grow at what seems like a  
fairly regular pace (assuming no one has done anything else to the  
computer).  These strange side effects slow things down, sometimes  
garble the OSM and happen for no reason anyone in or out of FS can  
figure (the FS JAWS hackers would fix this in a New York minute if  
they could actually figure out why and where it happens).


Overall, given the power of the Apple Accessibility API, the gnome and  
Java accessibility stuff, MSAA, iAccessible2 and UIA, the OSM is  
moving rapidly toward a long awaited death.  People who work on such  
things say that Windows 7 will not support a mirror driver nor any of  
the other ways screen readers build an OSM.  So, with luck and  
believing MS and some of my friends (usually a reliable bunch of  
nerds) even JAWSVID.DLL will go away pretty soon.

The death of the OSM probably has the GW Micro and FS guys pulling  
their hair out.  Without the driver hooks, which caused the terible  
stability problems we all know and love on Windows with the top two,  
players is going to either force the mainstream application developers  
to add the appropriate accessibility information using the documented  
API or they will need to update their VPAT to say "not accessible to  
people with vision impairment on Windows 7 or newer," which kind of  
tosses a monster monkey in the fraud that has been Section 508 until  
now.

Lastly, an OSM/operating system hooking solution like JAWS and WE,  
create cavernous security holes in the entire system.  If my screen  
reader can speak in the desktop user space (not the desktop you  
interact with but, rather, a low level bit of Windows), it means that  
my screen reader can see almost everything and all of the keystrokes,  
mouse movememnts and clicks, and such and it can catalogue them in a  
file somewhere on your system and, when you try to use your email  
program, i

Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest

[Chris Hofstader]

Quite the contrary, the existence of a scripting language takes away  
the excuse from mainstream developers as they can now manipulate their  
program via scripts and cannot tell the Access Board that they cannot  
do Section 508 compliance.  At FS, we forced a number of big players  
to either write scripts on their own or pay us to do it which got some  
software used by the Federal Government accessible and, hence, more  
people with vision impairment into jobs.

cdh

PS:  I've been involved in this argument for nearly 12 years and I  
can't help myself from writing about it.  Suicide may be the only way  
out...  Nah, I'll just have more coffee!

On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:07 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> I think there is no reason to ever fear that VOiceOver would become
> like JAWS, Window-Eyes, or any other  screen reader.  I don't know
> that I myself have much use for scripting, but it is an option that
> software vendors are going to use as an excuse to avoid making their
> apps accessible. I think instead as one person pointed out, is a tool,
> which can extend the functionality of VoiceOver and this offers some
> real benefits in dealing with complex situations. So, I understand the
> concerns, but I can see the benefits and why screen readers are going
> this direction.  After all, look how long it took before Window-Eyes
> took on scripting.  This was done not so much as to be competitive I
> bet as much as some situations have become complex enough that "set"
> files just couldn't handle it.
>
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Jes Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for that reassurance that voice over will not become like  
>> jaws.
>>
>> Jes
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Probably because I was once a VP at Freedom Scientific, I see the
>>> value in and strongly support adding scripting to VO.
>>>
>>> I agree that using scripts to launch applications from within a
>>> screen
>>> reader should be discouraged and I agree that some other things you
>>> mention in your email should be avoided as there are other  
>>> techniques
>>> to get the same job.
>>>
>>> The fear that "VO will turn into JAWS for Macintosh," is mostly
>>> unfounded though.  The reason JAWS needs scripts for virtually every
>>> application it supports is that they have an OSM and, given relative
>>> screen coordinates can tease the text drawn directly without MSAA or
>>> iAccessible2 involved.  This helps make the completely inaccessible
>>> into something that is marginally and sometimes very accessible.
>>>
>>> VO has no OSM.  Even with the new scripting facility, it cannot
>>> correct the owner drawn interfaces (I've been trying to get VO and
>>> MacSpeech Dictate to talk and its a hemorrhoid of a project).  What
>>> AppleScript gives us is the ability to add features to a combination
>>> of programs where the authors did a decent job of making their
>>> software accessible but the user would benefit from some very deep
>>> contextual information that would be very difficult for a generic  
>>> API
>>> to deliver.
>>>
>>> I read a post (I think on this list) about reading table headers in
>>> the iWork spreadsheet.  the post said it works great if the headers
>>> are on the top row but starts to fail if they are elsewhere.
>>>
>>> So, why not write a script that allows multiple tables, each with
>>> their own headings to exist in a single spreadsheet?  No API is  
>>> smart
>>> enough to do this but, I would think that a script driven
>>> communication system between VO and the worksheet could do it in a
>>> fairly straight forward manner.  This script could also "mangle" the
>>> worksheet file name in a manner that is unique so, if you reload the
>>> same document, your headers will be there for you.  Even cooler, if
>>> you open a spreadsheet with a very similar name (Sales Report
>>> 1/1/2009, Sales Report 2/1/2009, etc.) they will probably have the
>>> same format and the user can be offered the opportunity to load last
>>> month's headers.
>>>
>>> There are lots of ideas that can be expressed in scripts that a
>>> generic screen reader cannot understand.
>>>
>>> Happy Curt Flood Day,
>>> cdh
>>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote:
>>>

 Hi all.

 I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for
 scripting.
 Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application
 with
 a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or
 seeing
 how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about  
 opening
 up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned
 that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if
 we
 don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for
 Macintosh.
 I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something
 that
 should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use
 of
 apple sc

Re: apple ii emulator for sl?

[erik burggraaf]

I did try several, but they stunk.  That was almost a year ago though,  
so there might be something better now... hopefully.

Best,

erik burggraaf
A+ sertified technician and user support consultant.
Phone: 888-255-5194
Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com

On 8-Sep-09, at 7:59 PM, anouk radix wrote:

>
> Hey Erik, i will have to do a good google search on this one tomorrow.
> I mean it owuld b elogical that htere would be an emulator for the
> apple ii that runs on leopard and then it might run on sl.
> I will have to check into this and will get back tot he list later, i
> myself too enjoyed the eamon games especially the more complex ones.
> Greetings, Anouk
> On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:40 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Anouk,  I bug about this once every three to six months or so.
>> Somewhere around my house and two storage locations there is a disk
>> with 250 eamon adventures on apple Ii floppy disk images.  It would  
>> be
>> finominal to play them again.
>>
>> I have about 20 adventures for dos, but playing them in dos, in my
>> windows vm, on my mac, is well just a bit of silly overkill.  I would
>> love to have a nice apple emulater to load up these old disk images
>> and get all the games.
>>
>> Then I might never leave my house again, only just sit rivitted to my
>> mac playing text adventures, grins.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> erik burggraaf
>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant.
>> Phone: 888-255-5194
>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>>
>> On 5-Sep-09, at 7:57 AM, anouk radix wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello, I remember playing eamon games in my dos days about 10 years
>>> ago. Are there any apple ii emulators for snow leopard?
>>> Greetings, Anouk
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest

[Chris Hofstader]

The way to break away from MSAA is far simpler than one would think.   
A developer can switch to iAccessible2 (an API made by IBM for  
Windows) which is a superset of MSAA so they can migrate without  
throwing away usable code.
On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> I'm not a programmer, but I'll hazard a guess that maybe the issue now
> is that MSAA has become such a heavily used facility for windows-based
> screen readers, that now it would take an amazing amount of work to
> break away from that. So, it in other words in for a penny in for a
> pound.
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Chris, it's interesting that you mention the whole off screen
>> model, actually I'm amazed that voice over does as well as it does
>> without one, I wonder if windows screen readers will ever be able to
>> move away from this approach, I think the only screen reader that  
>> does
>> not have one is NVDA, and from what I've heard, it's fairly limited.
>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Probably because I was once a VP at Freedom Scientific, I see the
>>> value in and strongly support adding scripting to VO.
>>>
>>> I agree that using scripts to launch applications from within a
>>> screen
>>> reader should be discouraged and I agree that some other things you
>>> mention in your email should be avoided as there are other  
>>> techniques
>>> to get the same job.
>>>
>>> The fear that "VO will turn into JAWS for Macintosh," is mostly
>>> unfounded though.  The reason JAWS needs scripts for virtually every
>>> application it supports is that they have an OSM and, given relative
>>> screen coordinates can tease the text drawn directly without MSAA or
>>> iAccessible2 involved.  This helps make the completely inaccessible
>>> into something that is marginally and sometimes very accessible.
>>>
>>> VO has no OSM.  Even with the new scripting facility, it cannot
>>> correct the owner drawn interfaces (I've been trying to get VO and
>>> MacSpeech Dictate to talk and its a hemorrhoid of a project).  What
>>> AppleScript gives us is the ability to add features to a combination
>>> of programs where the authors did a decent job of making their
>>> software accessible but the user would benefit from some very deep
>>> contextual information that would be very difficult for a generic  
>>> API
>>> to deliver.
>>>
>>> I read a post (I think on this list) about reading table headers in
>>> the iWork spreadsheet.  the post said it works great if the headers
>>> are on the top row but starts to fail if they are elsewhere.
>>>
>>> So, why not write a script that allows multiple tables, each with
>>> their own headings to exist in a single spreadsheet?  No API is  
>>> smart
>>> enough to do this but, I would think that a script driven
>>> communication system between VO and the worksheet could do it in a
>>> fairly straight forward manner.  This script could also "mangle" the
>>> worksheet file name in a manner that is unique so, if you reload the
>>> same document, your headers will be there for you.  Even cooler, if
>>> you open a spreadsheet with a very similar name (Sales Report
>>> 1/1/2009, Sales Report 2/1/2009, etc.) they will probably have the
>>> same format and the user can be offered the opportunity to load last
>>> month's headers.
>>>
>>> There are lots of ideas that can be expressed in scripts that a
>>> generic screen reader cannot understand.
>>>
>>> Happy Curt Flood Day,
>>> cdh
>>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote:
>>>

 Hi all.

 I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for
 scripting.
 Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application
 with
 a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or
 seeing
 how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about  
 opening
 up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned
 that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if
 we
 don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for
 Macintosh.
 I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something
 that
 should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use
 of
 apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application
 developer to make their application accessible right out of the  
 box.
 On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you
 just
 download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's  
 computer
 and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use?
 It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this
 scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that
 it
 gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as
 it
 appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader  
 doe

Re: Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format

[Greg Kearney]

The plug in is designed to take the text from an OpenOffice document  
and convert it to DAISY for existing recording the tool is a windows  
one called Obi.


On 04/09/2009, at 5:03 PM, James & Nash wrote:

>
> Thanks Greg,
>
> Can any text or audio bok i.e. mp3 be made into a DAISY book with this
> plugin or are audio books created differently?
>
> Thanks
>
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: "Greg Kearney" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow
> Leopard) is DAISY format
>
>
>>
>> Well you could do it by hand but it would be very difficult to do. It
>> would require understanding teh DAISY specification very well indeed.
>>
>> The link to the OpenOffice plugin can be found here:
>> http://odt2dtbook.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Gregory Kearney
>> Manager - Accessible Media
>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
>> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>>
>> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
>> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
>> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
>> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
>>
>> On 04/09/2009, at 4:02 PM, James & Nash wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Greg,
>>> Where can I get this plugin from and some info on making the process
>>> work
>>> please? Can you do this by hand?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Take care
>>>
>>> James
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Greg Kearney" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started  
>>> (Snow
>>> Leopard) is DAISY format
>>>
>>>

 Yes you can and in fact we use Macs here all the time to do just
 that.
 The best way is to use OpenOffice with the odt2dtbook plugin. That
 will export a DTBook XML file which can be used with the Daisy
 Pipeline software to generate the finished book. The next release  
 of
 the plugin will eliminate the need to use DAISY Pipeline and will
 export a finished DAISY book.


 Gregory Kearney
 Manager - Accessible Media
 Association for the Blind of Western Australia
 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia

 Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
 Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
 Email: gkear...@gmail.com

 On 03/09/2009, at 7:23 PM, James & Nash wrote:

>
> Hi Gret and everyone,
>
> Is it possible to create DAISY books on Mac OS X?
>
> Thanks
>
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: "Les Kriegler" 
> To: ; "'Discussion of Digital
> Talking
> Books'" ; "'Mike Shebanek'"
> ;
> "'Mary Beth Janes'" ; "'macvoiceover'"
> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:16 AM
> Subject: RE: VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY
> format
>
>
>>
>> Hi Greg,
>>
>> This is great!  Navigation now will be much easier.  Thanks for
>> posting.
>>
>> Les
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg  
>> Kearney
>> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:27 AM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books; Mike Shebanek; Mary Beth
>> Janes;
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceover
>> Subject: VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format
>>
>>
>> VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format has been
>> produced
>> by the Association for the Blind of Western Australia and can be
>> downloaded
>> from the following URL:
>>
>> http://www.cucat.org/tmp/vogs_sl.zip
>>
>> This is a full text full audio DAISY version 2.02 digital talking
>> book
>> with
>> navigation at the chapter and subsection level and page numbers
>> supported.
>>
>>
>> Gregory Kearney
>> Manager - Accessible Media
>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
>> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>>
>> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
>> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
>> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
>> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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arrowing through songs

[william lomas]

Hi all has anyone else noted under snowleopard one can't arrow  
through their songs as they are playing in iTunes with left arrow and  
right arrow?
Will


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silly me

[william lomas]

hi i left quicknav on lol that's why can't arrow through itunes


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Re: A solution for stopping voiceover from saying empty in the contacts table in Adium

[Søren Jensen]

Thanks for this awesome tip.
Best regards
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

On Sep 9, 2009, at 5:37 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

>
> Hi all,a friend   of mine who's not on this list, was playing with
> verbosity settings, and we found that if you go under list, and
> customise it so that the status isn't spoken, this will fix the
> problem of voiceover saying empty in the contacts table of Adium.  So
> for those who were finding that to be annoying, there's a solution.
>
>
> >


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New Blog Entry

[Chris Hofstader]

Hi,

I just put up a new blog post about the iPhone, AT&T, coolness and  
weirdness.  It's at: http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com.

Enjoy,
cdh

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Re: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest

[James & Nash]

How would we know if JFW was reading in the Desktop user area and what is 
it? Also, where would JFW write the file?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Hofstader" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get 
this off my chest



Hi,

Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen
access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional
sense of the word.  On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but
mouse cursor (review cursor) mode using a simulated OSM acts kind of
strange sometimes.  VO does so well because of its tight integration
with the OS and because the Apple accessibility API is so damn good
that little that would require an OSM on another system is available
to the screen reader kind of by default.

Over the past year and a half or so, NVDA has matured into a solid
little screen reader.  Using MSAA, iAccessible2, some application DOM
information and possibly some of the Sun Java accessibility stuff, it
can create something of a tree like view of the screen contents.
People who work closely with sighted colleagues probably should look
for a different solution as NVDA speaks items in a logical manner and
not in any way related to the order which items appear on screen.

NVDA, though, with help and money from Mozilla, IBM, Microsoft and
Adobe, is really growing up quickly.  Because of the iAccessible2 API
(free software from IBM), NVDA works with virtually all of OpenOffice
and the other members of the gecko UI (Firefox for instance)  family
of programs.  MSAA gives them all of the really basic stuff but,
unlike Apple, many applications that ship with Windows use non-
standard techniques for drawing UI and, therefore, do not work
properly with NVDA.

Mozilla keeps the boys pushing forward on Firefox andother useful free
software.  Microsoft used its money to pay the guys to support user
interface automation (UIA) which will be its primary accessibility
system in Windows 7) and Adobe is paying them to support its peculiar
MSAA inplimentation that, when accessed properly, has the potential to
do a good job on Windows at least.

The OSM solutions give application vendors a bit of a freel ride.
Before Apple added MSAA to iTunes, a JAWS user would have to buy
scripts from Brian Hartgen (a great guy by the way) to use the program
as Brian was able to hack around the video information and, from
there, build something that actually worked.  Thus, if Apple never
contracted GW Micro to help with the accessibility of their Windows
version of iTunes, Brian would still be making money selling his
scripts and Apple could point to him as their accessibility solution
if anyone complained.

The other side of the OSM coin, though, is that capturing all of those
loose bits and bytes can add a lot of instability to the overall
system.  Without getting into the boring details, I'll recommend that
someone turn on JAWS on a nice XP or Vista box.  Then, turn off the
screen saver, walk away and every hour or so go to the system
resources dialogue and see how much memory, handles and CPU usage that
JAWS is consuming.  For all intents and purposes, these values should
be identical or at least close to identical at every visit.
Unfortunately, you will see these numbers grow at what seems like a
fairly regular pace (assuming no one has done anything else to the
computer).  These strange side effects slow things down, sometimes
garble the OSM and happen for no reason anyone in or out of FS can
figure (the FS JAWS hackers would fix this in a New York minute if
they could actually figure out why and where it happens).


Overall, given the power of the Apple Accessibility API, the gnome and
Java accessibility stuff, MSAA, iAccessible2 and UIA, the OSM is
moving rapidly toward a long awaited death.  People who work on such
things say that Windows 7 will not support a mirror driver nor any of
the other ways screen readers build an OSM.  So, with luck and
believing MS and some of my friends (usually a reliable bunch of
nerds) even JAWSVID.DLL will go away pretty soon.

The death of the OSM probably has the GW Micro and FS guys pulling
their hair out.  Without the driver hooks, which caused the terible
stability problems we all know and love on Windows with the top two,
players is going to either force the mainstream application developers
to add the appropriate accessibility information using the documented
API or they will need to update their VPAT to say "not accessible to
people with vision impairment on Windows 7 or newer," which kind of
tosses a monster monkey in the fraud that has been Section 508 until
now.

Lastly, an OSM/operating system hooking solution like JAWS and WE,
create cavernous security holes in the entire system.  If my screen
reader can speak in the desktop user space (not the desktop you
interact with but, rather, a low level bit of Windows), it means that
my screen reader can see almost

Re: media event

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I've never used the following site before, but they promise to have  
live blogging and links to video streams of today's Apple event if  
there are any.
http://www.businessinsider.com/alleyinsider

Best,
Anna


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returning to the last read sentence in preview

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi all,

I was wondering why when i switch applications from preview and back  
the page i was reading starts from the beginning. Instead of hotspots,  
is there a way to leave the mouse cursor on the ast word which was  
read in preview and then when back to reading, get the mouse cursor to  
follow the vo cursor again?

As i switch from document to editor quite frequently, i'd like to know  
what's the fastest way to do this.

Oh, on the train of thought, i think, as i remember from my sighted  
days and acrobat reader or any other program, when the anti-alioas of  
text and lines is turned on, it slows the system down somewhat. So a  
suggestion is to go to the preview preferences on the pdf tag and  
uncheck the anti-alias option. This way, you win that much ressources  
when multitasking with a big pdf file :)

best

Yuma

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Re: My MacBook Has Arrived

[May and Wynter]

Oh thank you very much.  That's definitely something I will need.

May, it's time for school and goalball
blog: www.true-friends2009.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Eickmeier" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: My MacBook Has Arrived


>
> Cool, glad to hear thatyou  got your Mac.  I'm assuming it has Snow
> Leopard installled on it.  If so,you  can hit control-option-h, and go
> down to the getting started guide, hit return on it, and you'll be
> taken to a nice HTML version of that.  .  It's worth looking at for
> you, since you're  just starting out with the mac.
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, May and Wynter wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone.  Now it's my turn to say, my MacBook has arrived and I
>> need
>> help, smile.
>>
>> How do I learn the different keys and such?  I save lots of emails
>> about the
>> Mac so I would have them by the time I got mine, but I don't have
>> anything
>> for that.
>>
>> May, I finally have my Mac, yay!!
>> blog: www.true-friends2009.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rich Ring" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Indeed it did.  However, sluggish performance with Safari is the case
>>> whether this adapter is attached or not.
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote:
>>>

 Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it?
 On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

>
> You made the right choice.  I tried to save money and purchased a
> Mac
> Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice.  The reason for my
> disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally
> useless.  I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the
> Mac Mini to connect to a TV.  I received this device in the mail
> today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini.  So, I
> am
> back to square one.
>
> This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store
> or
> purchase a chap monitor.  I hope I can find a monitor that is not
> made
> by Apple that will work.  Apple hardware is quite overpriced.  My
> advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of
> the
> more expensive systems.  You'll most likely end up saving money in
> the
> long run.
> At least I got email to work.
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>
>>
>> The subject line says it all.  Also, I contacted Apple Tech
>> Support
>> and
>> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi
>> external
>> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes.
>> Also, I
>> learned
>> that Time Machine for Backups is included,  Nice!  I'm excited to
>> get going!
>>
>> Les
>>
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Re: arrowing through songs

[Howard Dupuis]

I'll betcha that this -- and many other iTunes problems -- will be
fixed later today with the release of iTunes 9. Here's hoping ...

On Sep 9, 9:53 am, william lomas  wrote:
>                 Hi all has anyone else noted under snowleopard one can't 
> arrow  
> through their songs as they are playing in iTunes with left arrow and  
> right arrow?
> Will
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Re: jamochamud (java program)

[anouk radix]

Hi there, I would be very glad to help in any way I can. I can of  
course run windows virtually via vmware but I would rather do stuff  
natively on the mac. I did hear from some people that you have to  
label the buttons if this is at all possible in java. I did get  
initial text, the buttons just were not labeled or did not have help  
text. When you think stuff should work I will also inform some other  
mudders I know to have a mac but not be on any list.
Greetings, Anouk
On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, J. Robinson wrote:

>
> Thanks for writing back.
>
> I wasn't certain if there was something I had to do directly to make
> JamochaMUD usable by screen readers and the like, but a little poking
> around shows that there is indeed a Java Accessible programming
> interface.
>
> This implies to me that if I implement the accessible features of Java
> then it will probably play nice with the Mac Voiceover.
>
> I do most of my programming in Linux, but luckily my wife has a Mac
> laptop so I should be able to do some testing.
>
> Would you mind if I contact you in the future to do some testing for
> me once I feel I've got accessibility features added?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sep 8, 7:20 pm, anouk radix  wrote:
>> Hello, sorry for the late reply. I myself recently switched to the  
>> mac
>> and am not a programmer. I would love to just use the mac though,
>> replacing windows because i really love the os x operating system  
>> anbd
>> voiceover. I would recommend trying to mail accessibil...@apple.com  
>> to
>> see if they know of osme improvements you can do... I have also
>> forwarded your message to the other mailing list for blind people on
>> th emac macvoiceover so hopefully you will get some replies.
>> Greetings, Anouk
>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:29 PM, J. Robinson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>
>>> I'm the author of JamochaMUD.
>>
>>> In the interest of making JamochaMUD as good as it can be for  
>>> multiple
>>> platforms, I'd be interested in hearing exactly what problems you  
>>> are
>>> having with JamochaMUD to see if I can solve them.  Especially if
>>> there are certain things that are Mac-specific that I may have over-
>>> looked.
>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 12:14 pm, anouk radix  wrote:
 Hello, this free mud client does not seem to have problems with  
 snow
 leopard but it is nt really accessible either, i can read the  
 welcom
 screen but then i cant go to menus (if it has those) or go to
 buttons,
 they have no help tag.
 should java normally work with voicover? Their website is
 jamochamud.org and it seems to be the only mudclient for os x  
 that is
 still being developed.
 Greetings, Anouk
> >


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Switching between virtualization software

[Claude Renaud]

Hello all,

Currently I'm still under windows vista.
I  am  working  with  virtual  box the only accessible and affordable 
(because free) virtualization software I know on this platform. I soon 
plan to create a windows xp virtual machine.
As  I  also plan during the coming months to switch under Mac OS and as I 
probably 
will  need to still work under windows a bit, I will probably install 
VMWare  Fusion the mac virtualization software known to be accessible 
here.
My question, should I have to reinstall my Windows XP under fusion or 
could I be able to import it from my virtual Box virtual machine ?
If no, is there a compatible VmWare software working under windows and 
fairly priced ?

Regards,

-- 

Claude Renaud



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wireless connections

[May and Wynter]

Good morning.  How do I get my Mac to find wireless connections?  I would like 
to use the help that's in HTML but I won't be home during the day so need the 
wireless, thanks.

May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!!
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Re: getting an individuals email address

[Jessi and Goldina]

hmm, this doesn't seem to work in snow leopard. I've just been trying  
to read the email address and remember what it is, but there has to be  
an easier way in sl!
On 2009-09-09, at 2:22 AM, Christina wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I miss the menu button.  However, if you select the text with the  
> name/
> e-mail address in the from area then you can use vo plus shift plus
> m.  At least that worked for me.  I do not know of an easier way to
> select the text other than to use vo plus enter to start highlighting/
> selecting the text then using vo plus enter to end selecting the
> text.  Then you can use vo plus shift plus m.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Christina
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>
>>
>> Interact with the message content area and move the vo cursor over  
>> the
>> message headers and enter act with it.  Or,
>> if you are reading a message, stop interacting with the body text and
>> move vo up to the headers.
>> In leopard, vo saw the address as a menu button.  I've just noticed
>> that now it doesn't.  Nor does vo-space, or vo-shft-m work on it.   
>> Now
>> you have to route the mouse to the address and shft-click to get the
>> menu.
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello, not sure if this has been covered before, but i would like to
>>> get a persons emal address who posts to the macvisionarie slist, i
>>> nwindows you can do this by standing on the name and then getting  
>>> the
>>> ctrl-f10 menu and doing settings. Can i do this on the mac?
>>> Greetings, Anouk
>>>

>>
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directory utility & ldap authentication

[John G. Heim]

I've been trying unsuccessfully to get the Macs in my department to 
authenticate versus our ldap database. It works with ldap but not ldaps. I 
upgraded one machine to snowleopard hoping it would work better. But now I 
can't get into the ldap configuration at all.

On google I've seen messages that say you now need to configure ldap 
authentication via the System Preferences -> Accounts utility. But I cannot 
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Re: My MacBook Has Arrived

[May and Wynter]

Do I need to be on the internet for this command to work?  I've tried it 
from the finder window and it just tells me this item has no help tag.

If so, how to I get on the net and how do I find out if I have sl, thanks.

May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!!
blog: www.true-friends2009.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Eickmeier" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: My MacBook Has Arrived


>
> Cool, glad to hear thatyou  got your Mac.  I'm assuming it has Snow
> Leopard installled on it.  If so,you  can hit control-option-h, and go
> down to the getting started guide, hit return on it, and you'll be
> taken to a nice HTML version of that.  .  It's worth looking at for
> you, since you're  just starting out with the mac.
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, May and Wynter wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone.  Now it's my turn to say, my MacBook has arrived and I
>> need
>> help, smile.
>>
>> How do I learn the different keys and such?  I save lots of emails
>> about the
>> Mac so I would have them by the time I got mine, but I don't have
>> anything
>> for that.
>>
>> May, I finally have my Mac, yay!!
>> blog: www.true-friends2009.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rich Ring" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Indeed it did.  However, sluggish performance with Safari is the case
>>> whether this adapter is attached or not.
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote:
>>>

 Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it?
 On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

>
> You made the right choice.  I tried to save money and purchased a
> Mac
> Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice.  The reason for my
> disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally
> useless.  I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the
> Mac Mini to connect to a TV.  I received this device in the mail
> today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini.  So, I
> am
> back to square one.
>
> This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store
> or
> purchase a chap monitor.  I hope I can find a monitor that is not
> made
> by Apple that will work.  Apple hardware is quite overpriced.  My
> advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of
> the
> more expensive systems.  You'll most likely end up saving money in
> the
> long run.
> At least I got email to work.
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>
>>
>> The subject line says it all.  Also, I contacted Apple Tech
>> Support
>> and
>> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi
>> external
>> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes.
>> Also, I
>> learned
>> that Time Machine for Backups is included,  Nice!  I'm excited to
>> get going!
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature
>> database 4407 (20090908) __
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
>>


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Re: getting an individuals email address

[John André Netland]

Hi Jessi,

If you focus on the header, interact with it and focus on the from  
address, and press VO-shift-space, you will hear "menu" and can arrow  
down to copy the address etc. etc. Just remember to route the mouse to  
your VO cursor with VO-command-F5 before you click, since I suppose  
you have set mouse cursor to ignore VO cursor to avoid the sub menu  
issue.

I tested this with a message from you now, and it works just fine in SL.

Take care,
John André


On 9. sep. 2009, at 14.41, Jessi and Goldina wrote:

>
> hmm, this doesn't seem to work in snow leopard. I've just been trying
> to read the email address and remember what it is, but there has to be
> an easier way in sl!
> On 2009-09-09, at 2:22 AM, Christina wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I miss the menu button.  However, if you select the text with the
>> name/
>> e-mail address in the from area then you can use vo plus shift plus
>> m.  At least that worked for me.  I do not know of an easier way to
>> select the text other than to use vo plus enter to start  
>> highlighting/
>> selecting the text then using vo plus enter to end selecting the
>> text.  Then you can use vo plus shift plus m.
>>
>> I hope that helps.
>>
>> Christina
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Interact with the message content area and move the vo cursor over
>>> the
>>> message headers and enter act with it.  Or,
>>> if you are reading a message, stop interacting with the body text  
>>> and
>>> move vo up to the headers.
>>> In leopard, vo saw the address as a menu button.  I've just noticed
>>> that now it doesn't.  Nor does vo-space, or vo-shft-m work on it.
>>> Now
>>> you have to route the mouse to the address and shft-click to get the
>>> menu.
>>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:
>>>

 Hello, not sure if this has been covered before, but i would like  
 to
 get a persons emal address who posts to the macvisionarie slist, i
 nwindows you can do this by standing on the name and then getting
 the
 ctrl-f10 menu and doing settings. Can i do this on the mac?
 Greetings, Anouk

>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: wireless connections

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi May,

Go to the status menu with Control-F8. One of the options is Airport.  
Press Down Arrow to go into that menu. One of the options should be  
Turn Airport On. Press Return. At that point, the Mac will search for  
networks and let you try to connect with what it finds.

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Re: wireless connections

[May and Wynter]

Smile, thank you very much.

May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!!
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- Original Message - 
From: "Woody Anna Dresner" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: wireless connections


>
> Hi May,
>
> Go to the status menu with Control-F8. One of the options is Airport.
> Press Down Arrow to go into that menu. One of the options should be
> Turn Airport On. Press Return. At that point, the Mac will search for
> networks and let you try to connect with what it finds.
>
> Best,
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Re: wireless connections

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

You might use a program like IP Scanner,
http://10base-t.com/macintosh-software/ip-scanner/
I'm not sure if this will work; it will only work if the FSID is being  
broadcast by the network.  Course, if you're mostly looking for free  
WIFI, it might just do the trick.
Enjoy.


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Re: Data detector present

[Christina]

Thanks :)
On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:56 AM, John André Netland wrote:

>
> Hi Christina,
>
> I suppose that if someone was watching your activity, VoiceOver would
> announce
> "Data detectives present" instead, or what? Smiles. You are correct
> about the VO-shift-M shortcut; focus Voiceover on the item and press
> the shortcut, and you will get all the possible commands listed.
>
> Greetings from detective John André ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Christina wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh, that's really cool.  I'm so glad to know what that is.  Funny, I
>> thought maybe voice over was letting me know there was someone
>> watching my activity on my computer.  :)  How would you add it to
>> address book or ical?  Would you select the e-mail address or date  
>> and
>> then use a context menu with vo plus shift plus m?
>>
>> Christina
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Jes Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Christina, This happens whenever Mail encounters dates or email
>>> addresses, so you can add them to either ICal or address book. It's
>>> just a way to have that particular data pasteD into a new entry so
>>> you
>>> don't have to type it in yourself. I'm not sure there is a way to
>>> turn
>>> that announcement off, but it's rather nice to have around.
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Christina wrote:
>>>

 Hi all,

 In some of my e-mails voiceover announces "data detector present"
 every few words or sentences or so.  Does anyone know why this  
 might
 be happening?  It's just kind of weird and I do not know what this
 means or how to stop this from occurring.  I had never heard this
 before the upgrade.  Any ideas?  It does not seem to affect the
 performance but it is odd and somewhat annoying.

 Thanks so much,
 Christina

>
>>>
>>>

>>
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Re: Working with more than one acount

[Chris Blouch]

I didn't notice any replies to your email so I'll take a crack at it.

If software update does the update it should apply to all accounts. If 
the account has insufficient privileges to complete the update it should 
either fail and tell you or ask for the admin account to authenticate. 
While you may have multiple accounts, they share the same core 
applications and OS components. So an update to iTunes or a security 
patch to Safari will be noticed by all users.

CB

James & Nash wrote:
> Hi folks,
>  
> As I think I mentioned before on here, I always use a limited account 
> for my daily use on all my computers - wether it's Windows, Linux or 
> Mac. So I was wondering. If I use the Admin account to run Software 
> Update, will the updates be applied to the entire OS or only for that 
> account?
>  
> Also, I have notieced that if I enter my Admin password whilse in my 
> limited account, I can bypass it and do what I want. Is there a way to 
> tell Mac OS X not to offer me this choice as in Linux please?
>  
> Thank you
>  
> Take care
>  
> James
>
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Re: My MacBook Has Arrived

[Brandon Misch]

you have leopard on it

On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:52 AM, May and Wynter wrote:

>
> Do I need to be on the internet for this command to work?  I've  
> tried it
> from the finder window and it just tells me this item has no help tag.
>
> If so, how to I get on the net and how do I find out if I have sl,  
> thanks.
>
> May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!!
> blog: www.true-friends2009.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dan Eickmeier" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:58 AM
> Subject: Re: My MacBook Has Arrived
>
>
>>
>> Cool, glad to hear thatyou  got your Mac.  I'm assuming it has Snow
>> Leopard installled on it.  If so,you  can hit control-option-h, and  
>> go
>> down to the getting started guide, hit return on it, and you'll be
>> taken to a nice HTML version of that.  .  It's worth looking at for
>> you, since you're  just starting out with the mac.
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, May and Wynter wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone.  Now it's my turn to say, my MacBook has arrived and I
>>> need
>>> help, smile.
>>>
>>> How do I learn the different keys and such?  I save lots of emails
>>> about the
>>> Mac so I would have them by the time I got mine, but I don't have
>>> anything
>>> for that.
>>>
>>> May, I finally have my Mac, yay!!
>>> blog: www.true-friends2009.com
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Rich Ring" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
>>>
>>>

 Indeed it did.  However, sluggish performance with Safari is the  
 case
 whether this adapter is attached or not.

 On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote:

>
> Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it?
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>>
>> You made the right choice.  I tried to save money and purchased a
>> Mac
>> Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice.  The reason for my
>> disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is  
>> fundamentally
>> useless.  I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow  
>> the
>> Mac Mini to connect to a TV.  I received this device in the mail
>> today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini.  So, I
>> am
>> back to square one.
>>
>> This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple  
>> store
>> or
>> purchase a chap monitor.  I hope I can find a monitor that is not
>> made
>> by Apple that will work.  Apple hardware is quite overpriced.  My
>> advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of
>> the
>> more expensive systems.  You'll most likely end up saving money  
>> in
>> the
>> long run.
>> At least I got email to work.
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The subject line says it all.  Also, I contacted Apple Tech
>>> Support
>>> and
>>> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi
>>> external
>>> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes.
>>> Also, I
>>> learned
>>> that Time Machine for Backups is included,  Nice!  I'm excited  
>>> to
>>> get going!
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of  
>>> virus
>>> signature
>>> database 4407 (20090908) __
>>>
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>>>
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Re: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest

[Chris Hofstader]

If JAWS or any other Windows screen reader is speaking at the login  
screen it has effectively been given privileges to run anywhere in a  
Windows XP, Vista or 7 system.  Rumor says that MS has stopped this  
possibility in Windows 7 but I've only gossip to cite as a source and  
probably won't look for more about it as it doesn't really effect me.

JAWS can write to any place on your system with write privileges.

About 10 lines of JAWS Script code can probably do the whole job.

Window-Eyes and VoiceOver have much more protections around their  
script facilities as they are common parts of the OS and the  
architects make them as secure as possible.  I don't know how orca  
does it but they have excellent security as well.

Deep in the bowels of some programs like JAWS, HAL and Zoomtext are  
some really cool albeit unsecure hacks.  This code, when it was really  
important, was really fun to make as it required changing Windows  
itself which was altogether too cool.  We did such things for good,  
virus hackers and other vandals use similar techniques to do their evil.

cdh


On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:27 AM, James & Nash wrote:

>
> How would we know if JFW was reading in the Desktop user area and  
> what is
> it? Also, where would JFW write the file?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Hofstader" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:07 PM
> Subject: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts,  
> must get
> this off my chest
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen
> access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional
> sense of the word.  On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but
> mouse cursor (review cursor) mode using a simulated OSM acts kind of
> strange sometimes.  VO does so well because of its tight integration
> with the OS and because the Apple accessibility API is so damn good
> that little that would require an OSM on another system is available
> to the screen reader kind of by default.
>
> Over the past year and a half or so, NVDA has matured into a solid
> little screen reader.  Using MSAA, iAccessible2, some application DOM
> information and possibly some of the Sun Java accessibility stuff, it
> can create something of a tree like view of the screen contents.
> People who work closely with sighted colleagues probably should look
> for a different solution as NVDA speaks items in a logical manner and
> not in any way related to the order which items appear on screen.
>
> NVDA, though, with help and money from Mozilla, IBM, Microsoft and
> Adobe, is really growing up quickly.  Because of the iAccessible2 API
> (free software from IBM), NVDA works with virtually all of OpenOffice
> and the other members of the gecko UI (Firefox for instance)  family
> of programs.  MSAA gives them all of the really basic stuff but,
> unlike Apple, many applications that ship with Windows use non-
> standard techniques for drawing UI and, therefore, do not work
> properly with NVDA.
>
> Mozilla keeps the boys pushing forward on Firefox andother useful free
> software.  Microsoft used its money to pay the guys to support user
> interface automation (UIA) which will be its primary accessibility
> system in Windows 7) and Adobe is paying them to support its peculiar
> MSAA inplimentation that, when accessed properly, has the potential to
> do a good job on Windows at least.
>
> The OSM solutions give application vendors a bit of a freel ride.
> Before Apple added MSAA to iTunes, a JAWS user would have to buy
> scripts from Brian Hartgen (a great guy by the way) to use the program
> as Brian was able to hack around the video information and, from
> there, build something that actually worked.  Thus, if Apple never
> contracted GW Micro to help with the accessibility of their Windows
> version of iTunes, Brian would still be making money selling his
> scripts and Apple could point to him as their accessibility solution
> if anyone complained.
>
> The other side of the OSM coin, though, is that capturing all of those
> loose bits and bytes can add a lot of instability to the overall
> system.  Without getting into the boring details, I'll recommend that
> someone turn on JAWS on a nice XP or Vista box.  Then, turn off the
> screen saver, walk away and every hour or so go to the system
> resources dialogue and see how much memory, handles and CPU usage that
> JAWS is consuming.  For all intents and purposes, these values should
> be identical or at least close to identical at every visit.
> Unfortunately, you will see these numbers grow at what seems like a
> fairly regular pace (assuming no one has done anything else to the
> computer).  These strange side effects slow things down, sometimes
> garble the OSM and happen for no reason anyone in or out of FS can
> figure (the FS JAWS hackers would fix this in a New York minute if
> they could actually figure out why and where it happens).
>
>
> Overall, given the 

Re: coe 2 duo?

[Chris Blouch]

You have one processor chip with two processor cores inside. I think 
it's pretty much the functional equivalent of having two distinct 
processors but it shares packaging and maybe some circuitry. For all 
intents and purposes you have two processors. While not everything takes 
advantage of having more than one CPU, it does make a big difference. 
Your main app can use one CPU while the OS and anything else running can 
use the other. Once you get beyond two processors it gets more difficult 
to really keep them all loaded with work. This is why Apple introduced 
Grand Central in Snow Leopard which allows developers to break up tasks 
into little work units that grand schedule will queue and distribute to 
as many processors as you have. If you can buy 8-processor machines 
today, what will we have in three years? It's good they are laying the 
groundwork for this now.

http://www.appletell.com/apple/comment/apples-grand-central-exactly-what-consumers-need/

CB

william lomas wrote:
> Hi, I have 1 processor on my macbook with 2 cores running at 2.4 GHZ.  
> What essentially please, does this mean?
> Will
>
>
> >
>   

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Re: Apple ships known vulnerable version of Flash with Snow Leopard

[Chris Blouch]

Right. Not that Youtube is all that accessible either. Or is it? I never 
really tried since I assumed the flash player would make it inaccessible 
to voiceover.

CB

James & Nash wrote:
> If you do this though does it mean that Youtube is no longer 
> accessible? I like ot listen to songs on there.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chris Blouch 
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Apple ships known vulnerable version of Flash with
> Snow Leopard
>
> To remove flash from Safari you can just delete the plugin which
> is under
>
> /Library/Internet Plug-Ins
>
> Mine was called Flash Player.plugin
>
> CB
>
> Chris Hofstader wrote:
>> I am largely ignorant of all but the most obvious non-VoiceOver  
>> settings in Safari.  I would guess that, like IE and Firefox,, it  
>> would have a "turn off Flash" in it.  A whole lot of sighted people  
>> turn off Flash, especially if they have a fairly slow connection and  
>> because, the majority of Flash content are stupid advertisements with  
>> animation and other glitz.
>>
>> Can one uninstall Flash from a Mac and, if so, what happens?  With IE  
>> and FF, one gets a dialogue asking if you want to install the Flash  
>> plug-in or not and has a stop asking me about this box to check.
>>
>> It would probably be best if Safari had a way to turn Flash on and off  
>> so we could enjoy that handful of accessible sites but not waste the  
>> cycles on ads for a new Lexus with 0% financing.
>>
>> As I wrote last week, Flash, Flex and a variety of other Flash related  
>> items have three major areas that keep them inaccessible for Mac users  
>> in specific and screen reader users in general.  On the Mac, we have  
>> the double wammy of Flash not talking to the accessibility API  
>> properly (if at all) and the issues that all screen reader users face.
>>
>> As an odd bit of history, GW Micro was the first At company to work  
>> with Adobe to make Flash accessible with a screen reader using an MSAA  
>> solution.  We, at Freedom Scientific, followed suit as once Window- 
>> Eyes came out with support for it our phones started ringing off of  
>> the hook asking when we would have it in JAWS.  So, the customers  
>> wanted Flash and we gave it to them.
>>
>> In the following release of Window-Eyes, one of its new features was a  
>> checkbox to turn off Flash support and it was on by default.  In kind,  
>> we added such a setting so our users could keep Flash from wasting  
>> their time as well.
>>
>> To this day, years after JAWS and WE added Flash support, the vast  
>> majority of Flash content authors ignore the accessibility components  
>> (like labeling stuff) so, in JAWS for instance, one will often hear,  
>> "Start FLash, 1, 2, 3, 4, end Flash content."  This is, of course,  
>> useless but, if one has Flash turned on, it will make browsing the  
>> page go much more slowly as whatever is happening in the Flash  
>> segment, it is using cycles, bandwidth or both.
>>
>> All of this makes me quite sad as I have some pretty good friends  
>> working on accessibility at Adobe and, as it comes to content, they  
>> are more frustrated than most users (of which there are some on the  
>> Adobe team).  I honestly believe that Adobe wants to do the right  
>> thing but there are so many hurdles (large and small) on all platforms  
>> that organizing a single accessibility solution with a custom layer  
>> for each OS, becomes an enormous challenge.
>>
>> I am not paid a dime by Adobe and I never have been.  I just think  
>> they have an enormous problem that is very hard to solve.
>>
>> Milligrams of caffeine per hour ratio is dangerously low, must get  
>> more to get through my email.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> cdh
>>
>>
>>   somewhere.
>> On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Flash may be inaccessible for voiceover but it is still downloading  
>>> and
>>> running stuff on your mac, so you might want to upgrade.
>>>
>>> 
>>> http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2009/09/02/apple-ships-vulnerable-version-flash-snow-leopard/
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>
>
> >

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Re: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest

[James & Nash]

Thank you for the clarification Chris

Take care

James
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Hofstader" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must 
get this off my chest


>
> If JAWS or any other Windows screen reader is speaking at the login
> screen it has effectively been given privileges to run anywhere in a
> Windows XP, Vista or 7 system.  Rumor says that MS has stopped this
> possibility in Windows 7 but I've only gossip to cite as a source and
> probably won't look for more about it as it doesn't really effect me.
>
> JAWS can write to any place on your system with write privileges.
>
> About 10 lines of JAWS Script code can probably do the whole job.
>
> Window-Eyes and VoiceOver have much more protections around their
> script facilities as they are common parts of the OS and the
> architects make them as secure as possible.  I don't know how orca
> does it but they have excellent security as well.
>
> Deep in the bowels of some programs like JAWS, HAL and Zoomtext are
> some really cool albeit unsecure hacks.  This code, when it was really
> important, was really fun to make as it required changing Windows
> itself which was altogether too cool.  We did such things for good,
> virus hackers and other vandals use similar techniques to do their evil.
>
> cdh
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:27 AM, James & Nash wrote:
>
>>
>> How would we know if JFW was reading in the Desktop user area and
>> what is
>> it? Also, where would JFW write the file?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chris Hofstader" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:07 PM
>> Subject: OSM Screen Reading was: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts,
>> must get
>> this off my chest
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes, it is indeed true that NVDA is the only Windows based screen
>> access utility that has no Off Screen Model (OSM) in any traditional
>> sense of the word.  On GNU/Linux, orca functions without an OSM but
>> mouse cursor (review cursor) mode using a simulated OSM acts kind of
>> strange sometimes.  VO does so well because of its tight integration
>> with the OS and because the Apple accessibility API is so damn good
>> that little that would require an OSM on another system is available
>> to the screen reader kind of by default.
>>
>> Over the past year and a half or so, NVDA has matured into a solid
>> little screen reader.  Using MSAA, iAccessible2, some application DOM
>> information and possibly some of the Sun Java accessibility stuff, it
>> can create something of a tree like view of the screen contents.
>> People who work closely with sighted colleagues probably should look
>> for a different solution as NVDA speaks items in a logical manner and
>> not in any way related to the order which items appear on screen.
>>
>> NVDA, though, with help and money from Mozilla, IBM, Microsoft and
>> Adobe, is really growing up quickly.  Because of the iAccessible2 API
>> (free software from IBM), NVDA works with virtually all of OpenOffice
>> and the other members of the gecko UI (Firefox for instance)  family
>> of programs.  MSAA gives them all of the really basic stuff but,
>> unlike Apple, many applications that ship with Windows use non-
>> standard techniques for drawing UI and, therefore, do not work
>> properly with NVDA.
>>
>> Mozilla keeps the boys pushing forward on Firefox andother useful free
>> software.  Microsoft used its money to pay the guys to support user
>> interface automation (UIA) which will be its primary accessibility
>> system in Windows 7) and Adobe is paying them to support its peculiar
>> MSAA inplimentation that, when accessed properly, has the potential to
>> do a good job on Windows at least.
>>
>> The OSM solutions give application vendors a bit of a freel ride.
>> Before Apple added MSAA to iTunes, a JAWS user would have to buy
>> scripts from Brian Hartgen (a great guy by the way) to use the program
>> as Brian was able to hack around the video information and, from
>> there, build something that actually worked.  Thus, if Apple never
>> contracted GW Micro to help with the accessibility of their Windows
>> version of iTunes, Brian would still be making money selling his
>> scripts and Apple could point to him as their accessibility solution
>> if anyone complained.
>>
>> The other side of the OSM coin, though, is that capturing all of those
>> loose bits and bytes can add a lot of instability to the overall
>> system.  Without getting into the boring details, I'll recommend that
>> someone turn on JAWS on a nice XP or Vista box.  Then, turn off the
>> screen saver, walk away and every hour or so go to the system
>> resources dialogue and see how much memory, handles and CPU usage that
>> JAWS is consuming.  For all intents and purposes, these values should
>> be identical or at least close to identical at every visit.
>> Unfortunately, you will see these numbers grow at what seems like a
>> fairly r

Re: Working with more than one acount

[James & Nash]

Thanks Chris 

Take care 

James 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Blouch 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:37 PM
  Subject: Re: Working with more than one acount


  I didn't notice any replies to your email so I'll take a crack at it.

  If software update does the update it should apply to all accounts. If the 
account has insufficient privileges to complete the update it should either 
fail and tell you or ask for the admin account to authenticate. While you may 
have multiple accounts, they share the same core applications and OS 
components. So an update to iTunes or a security patch to Safari will be 
noticed by all users.

  CB

  James & Nash wrote: 
Hi folks, 

As I think I mentioned before on here, I always use a limited account for 
my daily use on all my computers - wether it's Windows, Linux or Mac. So I was 
wondering. If I use the Admin account to run Software Update, will the updates 
be applied to the entire OS or only for that account? 

Also, I have notieced that if I enter my Admin password whilse in my 
limited account, I can bypass it and do what I want. Is there a way to tell Mac 
OS X not to offer me this choice as in Linux please?

Thank you

Take care 

James 




  

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downloading

[Keith Brown]

yes! all sorted. well it took a while but the penny finally dropped.  
thanks for all who assisted

cheers

Keith 

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copying from itunes

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating ringtones.  But I
am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new file
I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new behavior
with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The copy
option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C, and
also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it onto my
desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what could be
happening?
Thanks,
Donna


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Re: eBay to sell skype to private investors

[Chris Blouch]

Right, but the last I heard eBay said they either needed to come to an 
agreement with the patent holders or shut it down. This just shifts the 
problem to a new group of folks.

CB

Doug Lee wrote:
> I sincerely doubt Skype ends or even changes that dramatically as a
> result of all this legal stuff.  Skype, the company, would not want
> that, and I should think Joltid, the company fighting with Skype over
> licensing, would not want to be known worldwide as "the company that
> killed Skype." :)  A company going to private investors also doesn't
> necessarily signal any major changes in product.
>
> So I think the best we can do is wait and see.
>
> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 11:06:09AM +1000, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>
> Yes, I had heard that Skype - as we know it - was going to end at the  
> end of this year and I was going to ask if the Googletalk Client was  
> accessible with Voiceover, has anyone tried it?
>
>
> On 02/09/2009, at 7:57 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>   
>> Wonder if this is the beginning or the end of something? I know there
>> are a lot of Skype users on this list.
>>
>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137339/Report_eBay_to_sell_Skype_to_group_of_private_investors
>>
>> CB
>>
>> 
>
>
>
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Re: copying from itunes

[Esther]

Hi Donna,

Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating  
> ringtones.  But I
> am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new  
> file
> I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new  
> behavior
> with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The  
> copy
> option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C,  
> and
> also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it onto  
> my
> desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what  
> could be
> happening?

You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes  
with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes  
use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in  
Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track  
highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with  
Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to  
press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",  
just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.  If  
you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and  
try your paste again.

HTH.

Cheers,

Esther


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New Nano

[Brett Campbell]

 From the reporting of Mac World.
11:01 PT - JS: Adding voiceover to the nano, adding Genius Mixes. FM  
Radio tuner built in as well. And built-in voice recorder app using  
the built-in microphone, and a built-in pedometer. You can even sync  
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[Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09

[Maccessibility]

Apple Media Event 9/9/09

Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new models in
their iPod lineups.
The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes pre-cut
ring tones from the major record labels.
iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management software,
comes with a plethora of new features, including [...]

You can read the rest of this news item at:
http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/

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apple event

[william lomas]

hi I followed macworld on twitter.


1. The nano has been updated with video camera, microphone, and voice  
over
2. so has the touch but no mention of voiceover?
surprising?
3. itunes nine out
4. no beatles back catalog


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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09

[Jessi and Goldina]

I dunno why everyone is talking about voiceover on the nano as if it's  
a new thing lol. I wonder what upgrades are made to voiceover on the  
nano?
On 2009-09-09, at 2:13 PM, Maccessibility wrote:

>
> Apple Media Event 9/9/09
>
> Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new  
> models in
> their iPod lineups.
> The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes  
> pre-cut
> ring tones from the major record labels.
> iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management  
> software,
> comes with a plethora of new features, including [...]
>
> You can read the rest of this news item at:
> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/
>
> The Mac-cessibility Network
> "...it's all within our reach..."
> http://maccessibility.net
>
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09

[Chris Polk]

because voiceover was never on the nano. it was sound files asociated  
with actions that were created by your pc or mac

On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:17 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote:

>
> I dunno why everyone is talking about voiceover on the nano as if it's
> a new thing lol. I wonder what upgrades are made to voiceover on the
> nano?
> On 2009-09-09, at 2:13 PM, Maccessibility wrote:
>
>>
>> Apple Media Event 9/9/09
>>
>> Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new
>> models in
>> their iPod lineups.
>> The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes
>> pre-cut
>> ring tones from the major record labels.
>> iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management
>> software,
>> comes with a plethora of new features, including [...]
>>
>> You can read the rest of this news item at:
>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/
>>
>> The Mac-cessibility Network
>> "...it's all within our reach..."
>> http://maccessibility.net
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09

[william lomas]

on the previous nano the computer generated the menus and speech  
whereas now the product has tts to do that job

On 9 Sep 2009, at 16:17, Jessi and Goldina wrote:

>
> I dunno why everyone is talking about voiceover on the nano as if it's
> a new thing lol. I wonder what upgrades are made to voiceover on the
> nano?
> On 2009-09-09, at 2:13 PM, Maccessibility wrote:
>
>>
>> Apple Media Event 9/9/09
>>
>> Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new
>> models in
>> their iPod lineups.
>> The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes
>> pre-cut
>> ring tones from the major record labels.
>> iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management
>> software,
>> comes with a plethora of new features, including [...]
>>
>> You can read the rest of this news item at:
>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/
>>
>> The Mac-cessibility Network
>> "...it's all within our reach..."
>> http://maccessibility.net
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09

[Esther]

Hi,

I imagine since they said it would be like on the Shuffle, there will  
be international voices included.  Also, although the Mac-cessibility  
News didn't mention it, along with the video recording camera and  
voice recording with built in mic, the new nano is supposed to have FM  
radio.

from the ilounge live coverage page on the new Nanos:

10:58 AM: One more thing... Video camera. YouTube now has 1b video  
streams a day. They're being created by Flip Video, he shows... Flip  
sells a 4GB model for $149. Apple wants in on the market. 8GB - you  
get it for "Free" by adding it to the iPod nano. New nano is glossy.  
Looks just like the pictures we posted months ago on iLounge. Speaker  
now built in as well. Retained the small size - 6.2mm. Now good is it?  
Video looks a lot like iPhone 3GS video. The nano pictures are on our  
Flickr account. (See link above.) One click to send to YouTube from a  
computer. Looks to be 640x480. Nano's screen is now wide. 100 million  
units sold. By far the most popular music player in the world.  
VoiceOver is in there, "same as the iPod shuffle," plus Genius Mixes.  
Now will have an FM radio built in. And voice recorder app is built in  
with built-in mik, plus built-in pedometer. You can now sync up to Nike 
+ with your pedometer data. Larger 2.2 display. Polished anodized  
aluminum.


No word on whether VoiceOver is in the new iPod Touch models, although  
I suspect it is.  And apparently no video camera for the Touch.  At  
least nothing mentioned.

Cheers,

Esther

Jessi and Goldina wrote:

>
> I dunno why everyone is talking about voiceover on the nano as if it's
> a new thing lol. I wonder what upgrades are made to voiceover on the
> nano?
> On 2009-09-09, at 2:13 PM, Maccessibility wrote:
>
>>
>> Apple Media Event 9/9/09
>>
>> Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new
>> models in
>> their iPod lineups.
>> The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes
>> pre-cut
>> ring tones from the major record labels.
>> iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management
>> software,
>> comes with a plethora of new features, including [...]
>>
>> You can read the rest of this news item at:
>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/
>>
>> The Mac-cessibility Network
>> "...it's all within our reach..."
>> http://maccessibility.net
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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RE: copying from itunes

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Esther,

I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and finding the
folder and manually copying it.  So, now it's on my desktop.  But, When I do
Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a file.  I
can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not the
desktop.  I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not able to
view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder.  Any
thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop?

Thank you!
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> 
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
> > ringtones.  But I
> > am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new
> > file
> > I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
> > behavior
> > with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
> > copy
> > option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C,
> > and
> > also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it onto
> > my
> > desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
> > could be
> > happening?
> 
> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes
> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",
> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.  If
> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
> try your paste again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> > 
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Re: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh

[Melinda Pethel]

It is accessible but won't work on any system running later that OS  
10.4.
As I have heard from HumanWare, there were not enough sales of the  
initial Mac version to warrant making a new version compatible with  
Leopard.

Melinda

On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:37 PM, michael A. Babcock wrote:

> hi chris;
> no problem:)
> mike
>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>
>> O, ok.  That explains why you're asking.  OK.  Birhrhrd!  Sorry  
>> about that Mike.  I didn't realize.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of michael A.  
>> Babcock
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:56 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh
>>
>> no they did not make it, it was adapted for the rfbd copy  
>> protection rfbd uses.
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>>
>>> If RFB&D made it, and it's for the blind and disabled, wouldn't  
>>> that naturally probably mean it's accessible?  Maybe I'm very  
>>> naive but...
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of michael A.  
>>> Babcock
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:26 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh
>>>
>>> is this software accessible? I don't wanna spend $125 on it, from  
>>> rfbd, and find out it's not accessible.
>>> thanks
>>> mike
>>> Victor Reader Soft Macintosh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: copying from itunes

[Esther]

Hi Donna,

Have you already renamed the file to the .m4r extension?  If so, you  
should be able to just double click on the file with VO-Shift-Space  
(hold down Control, Option, and Shift keys and tap the space bar  
twice) to add the file to iTunes.  It should show up in the Ringtones  
list.

Cheers,

Esther

Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi Esther,
>
> I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and  
> finding the
> folder and manually copying it.  So, now it's on my desktop.  But,  
> When I do
> Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a  
> file.  I
> can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not  
> the
> desktop.  I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not  
> able to
> view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder.  Any
> thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop?
>
> Thank you!
> Donna
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
>>
>>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
>> Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
>>> ringtones.  But I
>>> am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new
>>> file
>>> I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
>>> behavior
>>> with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
>>> copy
>>> option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C,
>>> and
>>> also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it onto
>>> my
>>> desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
>>> could be
>>> happening?
>>
>> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes
>> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
>> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
>> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
>> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
>> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
>> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",
>> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.   
>> If
>> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
>> try your paste again.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Re: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh

[michael A. Babcock]

damn it
mike

On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Melinda Pethel wrote:

> It is accessible but won't work on any system running later that OS  
> 10.4.
> As I have heard from HumanWare, there were not enough sales of the  
> initial Mac version to warrant making a new version compatible with  
> Leopard.
>
> Melinda
>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:37 PM, michael A. Babcock wrote:
>
>> hi chris;
>> no problem:)
>> mike
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>>
>>> O, ok.  That explains why you're asking.  OK.  Birhrhrd!  Sorry  
>>> about that Mike.  I didn't realize.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of michael A. Babcock
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:56 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh
>>>
>>> no they did not make it, it was adapted for the rfbd copy  
>>> protection rfbd uses.
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>>>
 If RFB&D made it, and it's for the blind and disabled, wouldn't  
 that naturally probably mean it's accessible?  Maybe I'm very  
 naive but...

 Chris.

 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of michael A. Babcock
 Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:26 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Victor Reader Soft Macintosh

 is this software accessible? I don't wanna spend $125 on it, from  
 rfbd, and find out it's not accessible.
 thanks
 mike
 Victor Reader Soft Macintosh




>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Apple Media Event 9/9/09

[Jessi and Goldina]

oh, okay. I gotcha. the nano has a built in TTS engine. what voice is  
it? I suspect it's the same one as on the iPhone? and then the  
international ones are probably the same as the shuffle? that's really  
cool!! I'd really like to see one of these! i'm curious how the video  
camera fits in cuz the unit is already so small!!
On 2009-09-09, at 2:25 PM, Esther wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I imagine since they said it would be like on the Shuffle, there will
> be international voices included.  Also, although the Mac-cessibility
> News didn't mention it, along with the video recording camera and
> voice recording with built in mic, the new nano is supposed to have FM
> radio.
>
> from the ilounge live coverage page on the new Nanos:
> 
> 10:58 AM: One more thing... Video camera. YouTube now has 1b video
> streams a day. They're being created by Flip Video, he shows... Flip
> sells a 4GB model for $149. Apple wants in on the market. 8GB - you
> get it for "Free" by adding it to the iPod nano. New nano is glossy.
> Looks just like the pictures we posted months ago on iLounge. Speaker
> now built in as well. Retained the small size - 6.2mm. Now good is it?
> Video looks a lot like iPhone 3GS video. The nano pictures are on our
> Flickr account. (See link above.) One click to send to YouTube from a
> computer. Looks to be 640x480. Nano's screen is now wide. 100 million
> units sold. By far the most popular music player in the world.
> VoiceOver is in there, "same as the iPod shuffle," plus Genius Mixes.
> Now will have an FM radio built in. And voice recorder app is built in
> with built-in mik, plus built-in pedometer. You can now sync up to  
> Nike
> + with your pedometer data. Larger 2.2 display. Polished anodized
> aluminum.
> 
>
> No word on whether VoiceOver is in the new iPod Touch models, although
> I suspect it is.  And apparently no video camera for the Touch.  At
> least nothing mentioned.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Jessi and Goldina wrote:
>
>>
>> I dunno why everyone is talking about voiceover on the nano as if  
>> it's
>> a new thing lol. I wonder what upgrades are made to voiceover on the
>> nano?
>> On 2009-09-09, at 2:13 PM, Maccessibility wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Apple Media Event 9/9/09
>>>
>>> Today, Apple announced details of iPhone OS 3.1, iTunes 9, and new
>>> models in
>>> their iPod lineups.
>>> The iPhone OS 3.1 details are scarce as yet, but the update includes
>>> pre-cut
>>> ring tones from the major record labels.
>>> iTunes 9, the latest version of Apple's popular media management
>>> software,
>>> comes with a plethora of new features, including [...]
>>>
>>> You can read the rest of this news item at:
>>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/09/apple-media-event-9909/
>>>
>>> The Mac-cessibility Network
>>> "...it's all within our reach..."
>>> http://maccessibility.net
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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voiceover on ipodt touch

[william lomas]

voiceover is on the new ipod touch!
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/itunes/ipodtouch.html



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RE: copying from itunes

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Esther,

Well, double-clicking on the file didn't do anything.  So I tried pressing
Command-O with the file on my desktop selected--and yes, renamed with the
M4R extension.  That did cause it to be imported into itunes, at least I can
see it in the ringtones playlist.  But, when I try to play it, it won't
play.  Is that normal?
Thanks,
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> 
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Have you already renamed the file to the .m4r extension?  If so, you
> should be able to just double click on the file with VO-Shift-Space
> (hold down Control, Option, and Shift keys and tap the space bar
> twice) to add the file to iTunes.  It should show up in the Ringtones
> list.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi Esther,
> >
> > I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and
> > finding the
> > folder and manually copying it.  So, now it's on my desktop.  But,
> > When I do
> > Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a
> > file.  I
> > can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not
> > the
> > desktop.  I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not
> > able to
> > view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder.  Any
> > thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop?
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Donna
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Donna,
> >>
> >> Donna Goodin wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
> >>> ringtones.  But I
> >>> am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the
> new
> >>> file
> >>> I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
> >>> behavior
> >>> with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
> >>> copy
> >>> option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command
> C,
> >>> and
> >>> also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it
> onto
> >>> my
> >>> desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
> >>> could be
> >>> happening?
> >>
> >> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes
> >> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
> >> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
> >> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
> >> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
> >> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
> >> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",
> >> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.
> >> If
> >> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
> >> try your paste again.
> >>
> >> HTH.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Esther
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date:
> >> 09/09/09 06:53:00
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> > 
> 
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Re: copying from itunes

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Donna,

Once you rename the extension, try moving the file from your desktop  
to your iTunes folder. Then open it in itunes by pressing Control-O.

Best,
Anna

On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi Esther,
>
> I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and  
> finding the
> folder and manually copying it.  So, now it's on my desktop.  But,  
> When I do
> Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a  
> file.  I
> can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not  
> the
> desktop.  I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not  
> able to
> view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder.  Any
> thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop?
>
> Thank you!
> Donna
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
>>
>>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
>> Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
>>> ringtones.  But I
>>> am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new
>>> file
>>> I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
>>> behavior
>>> with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
>>> copy
>>> option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C,
>>> and
>>> also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it onto
>>> my
>>> desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
>>> could be
>>> happening?
>>
>> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes
>> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
>> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
>> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
>> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
>> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
>> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",
>> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.   
>> If
>> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
>> try your paste again.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>
>
> >


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RE: copying from itunes

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Anna,

Do you know what the time limit for ringtones is?  I've heard both 30 and 40
seconds.  My file is 37 secs, so want to make sure it isn't too long.
Thanks,
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna
> Dresner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> 
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Once you rename the extension, try moving the file from your desktop
> to your iTunes folder. Then open it in itunes by pressing Control-O.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi Esther,
> >
> > I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and
> > finding the
> > folder and manually copying it.  So, now it's on my desktop.  But,
> > When I do
> > Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a
> > file.  I
> > can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not
> > the
> > desktop.  I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not
> > able to
> > view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder.  Any
> > thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop?
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Donna
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Donna,
> >>
> >> Donna Goodin wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
> >>> ringtones.  But I
> >>> am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the
> new
> >>> file
> >>> I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
> >>> behavior
> >>> with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
> >>> copy
> >>> option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command
> C,
> >>> and
> >>> also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it
> onto
> >>> my
> >>> desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
> >>> could be
> >>> happening?
> >>
> >> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes
> >> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
> >> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
> >> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
> >> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
> >> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
> >> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",
> >> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.
> >> If
> >> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
> >> try your paste again.
> >>
> >> HTH.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Esther
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date:
> >> 09/09/09 06:53:00
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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cut copy and paste comes to ipod touch and this is in the 3.1 iphone firmware as well

[william lomas]

Cut, copy, and paste comes to iPod touch. To bring up cut, copy, and  
paste options, use the rotor and choose Edit. Flick up or down to  
choose between the Select and Select All functions, then double tap.  
If you choose Select, the word closest to the insertion point is  
selected when you double tap. Pinch to increase or decrease the  
selection. If you choose Select All, the entire text is selected. When  
text is selected, cut, copy, and paste options appear on the screen.  
If you want to undo something, just give iPod touch a shake. You can  
also flick left or right to choose the undo action, then double tap.

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Re: copying from itunes

[Esther]

Hi Donna,

How odd that double-clicking didn't open the file by default into  
iTunes. And your track should play when you select it and press  
Return. OK, a few thoughts:

1. If you select the track in the ringtones playlist, can you check  
that the time is under 40 seconds?  Look in the songs table, and VO- 
Right arrow past the name to the total time.
2. Can you do a Get Info (Command-I) on the track and select the  
Summary tab instead of the Options tab?  It will probably come up with  
your focus on the Summary tab and with this selected, but if not,  
select this tab with VO-Space.   VO-Right arrow into this pane past  
the title.  You should hear a report of the Kind of file, for instance:
  Kind: Ringtone, Size: 637.3 KB, Bit Rate: 256 kbps (VBR), Sample  
Rate: 44.100 kHz, Date Modified: 9/7/09 08:52, Play Count: 2, Last  
Played: 9/7/09 09:10  unknown

I used VO-Shift-C to copy this group and paste it in.  I'm curious  
about whether your bit rate setting is at some value that the Ringtone  
won't recognize.  Can you check this information?  (This is the  
information for a ringtone I created as a test.)
3. If you have Amadeus Pro, can you open and play the track there?   
For example, if you have a copy of the track on your Desktop, and you  
use the context menu (VO-Shift-M), find the "Open with" menu option,  
Right arrow to the submenu, then arrow down to Amadeus Pro and press  
return, it should get loaded into Amadeus Pro.  Can you play it there  
if you press space bar?  If so, you should be able to select all  
(Command-A), go to the File menu and select the "Export as iTunes  
Ringtone…" option  (VO-M, press "F", arrow down and press "E").  It  
may do another encoding conversion -- just accept the defaults.  I  
think that should add the file to the iPhones Ringtone directory, but  
you may have to open it again or use Spotlight to search for the  
file.  I tried that way of generating ring tones from my purchased  
(DRM-free songs) and it seemed to work.

Those are most of my current thoughts.  I did a few quick experiments  
with Amadeus Pro.  However, I've generated tracks that show up and  
play as Ringtones solely in iTunes as well (even with tracks purchased  
from the iTunes Store), so you should be able to do it, as well.

Cheers,

Esther

Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi Esther,
>
> Well, double-clicking on the file didn't do anything.  So I tried  
> pressing
> Command-O with the file on my desktop selected--and yes, renamed  
> with the
> M4R extension.  That did cause it to be imported into itunes, at  
> least I can
> see it in the ringtones playlist.  But, when I try to play it, it  
> won't
> play.  Is that normal?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:29 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
>>
>>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
>> Have you already renamed the file to the .m4r extension?  If so, you
>> should be able to just double click on the file with VO-Shift-Space
>> (hold down Control, Option, and Shift keys and tap the space bar
>> twice) to add the file to iTunes.  It should show up in the Ringtones
>> list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Esther,
>>>
>>> I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and
>>> finding the
>>> folder and manually copying it.  So, now it's on my desktop.  But,
>>> When I do
>>> Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a
>>> file.  I
>>> can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not
>>> the
>>> desktop.  I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not
>>> able to
>>> view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder.   
>>> Any
>>> thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my  
>>> desktop?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Donna
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
 Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: copying from itunes


 Hi Donna,

 Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
> ringtones.  But I
> am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the
>> new
> file
> I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
> behavior
> with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
> copy
> option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command
>> C,
> and
> also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it
>> onto
> my
> desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
> could be
> happening?

 You can try the following: if yo

Re: getting an individuals email address

[Christina]

Hi,

I'm sorry my instructions were not clear.  I believe there are a few  
ways you can accomplish this task.  Before the upgrade it was much  
easier to just focus on the message headers, interact with it then  
move to the senders address and press vo + spacebar because the  
sender's name/e-mail address was a menu button which opened a few  
options such as copy or reply to sender.  Now it does not seem as  
simple to me.


So, here is one way I have been able to accomplish replying to the  
sender directly instead of the entire list.

1.  Use the vo + arrow keys to get to the message header.  I believe  
you will hear voiceover say something like message header.
2.  press vo + shift + down arrow to interact with message headers.
3.  Press vo + right arrow once, you should hear voiceover say "from".
4.  Press vo + enter.  This will allow you to highlight.
5.  Press vo + right arrow once.  You should hear voiceover announce  
the sender's name/e-mail address.
6.  Press vo + return to turn highlighting off.  You should hear voice  
over announce what is highlighted.
7.  Press vo + shift + M.  This should bring up a context menu.
8.  Arrow up and down through the options.  You can copy address or I  
often use reply to sender which will open up a new message with the  
sender's address already entered in the "to" field and the curser  
should be in the message area where you can type your message.  This e- 
mail should behave as any other message you reply to.  I also believe  
you can choose an option to send a new message to the sender which  
will open up a new message with the address already entered in the  
"to" field.
9.  Press vo + spacebar to select the option you want from the context  
menu.

One other thing that can work depending on how the e-mail list serve  
is set up is to press command shift r to reply to all.  Then you can  
go up to the message header, interact with it and delete the address  
of the e-mail group.  However, this does not seem to be working for me  
for the macvisionaries list.  This has worked for me in the past with  
other groups but I have not tried this since the upgrade to SL.  I  
think it depends on how the e-mail group list serve is set up.

One other thing which I have not tried is to use command + shift + Y.   
This is to add the sender's address to your address book.  I'm just  
not sure if it would add the group's e-mail address or the actual  
sender's address.  You could try this command plus shift plus y and  
then open a new message to compose and then in the "to" field you can  
just try typing their name or the first few letters of their address.

Best of luck,
Christina


On Sep 9, 2009, at 5:41 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote:

>
> hmm, this doesn't seem to work in snow leopard. I've just been trying
> to read the email address and remember what it is, but there has to be
> an easier way in sl!
> On 2009-09-09, at 2:22 AM, Christina wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I miss the menu button.  However, if you select the text with the
>> name/
>> e-mail address in the from area then you can use vo plus shift plus
>> m.  At least that worked for me.  I do not know of an easier way to
>> select the text other than to use vo plus enter to start  
>> highlighting/
>> selecting the text then using vo plus enter to end selecting the
>> text.  Then you can use vo plus shift plus m.
>>
>> I hope that helps.
>>
>> Christina
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Interact with the message content area and move the vo cursor over
>>> the
>>> message headers and enter act with it.  Or,
>>> if you are reading a message, stop interacting with the body text  
>>> and
>>> move vo up to the headers.
>>> In leopard, vo saw the address as a menu button.  I've just noticed
>>> that now it doesn't.  Nor does vo-space, or vo-shft-m work on it.
>>> Now
>>> you have to route the mouse to the address and shft-click to get the
>>> menu.
>>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:
>>>

 Hello, not sure if this has been covered before, but i would like  
 to
 get a persons emal address who posts to the macvisionarie slist, i
 nwindows you can do this by standing on the name and then getting
 the
 ctrl-f10 menu and doing settings. Can i do this on the mac?
 Greetings, Anouk

>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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RE: copying from itunes

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Esther,

Thanks for the Command-R shortcut!  That's *very cool!
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> 
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
> > ringtones.  But I
> > am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new
> > file
> > I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
> > behavior
> > with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
> > copy
> > option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C,
> > and
> > also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it onto
> > my
> > desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
> > could be
> > happening?
> 
> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes
> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",
> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.  If
> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
> try your paste again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> > 
> 
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Re: copying from itunes

[Esther]

Hi Anna,

Good thought about moving this to the iTunes Music folder before  
adding it.  I forgot that Donna may have her preferences set so that  
"Copy files to iTunes Music Folder when adding to Library" is  
unchecked on the Advanced pane of the iTunes preferences menu.  Of  
course, iTunes will expect the tracks to be in the iTunes library  
location.

Cheers,

Esther

Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

>
> Hi Donna,
>
> Once you rename the extension, try moving the file from your desktop
> to your iTunes folder. Then open it in itunes by pressing Control-O.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Esther,
>>
>> I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and
>> finding the
>> folder and manually copying it.  So, now it's on my desktop.  But,
>> When I do
>> Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a
>> file.  I
>> can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not
>> the
>> desktop.  I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not
>> able to
>> view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder.  Any
>> thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my desktop?
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Donna
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Donna,
>>>
>>> Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>

 Hi all,

 I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
 ringtones.  But I
 am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the  
 new
 file
 I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
 behavior
 with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
 copy
 option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command  
 C,
 and
 also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it  
 onto
 my
 desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
 could be
 happening?
>>>
>>> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes
>>> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
>>> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
>>> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
>>> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
>>> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
>>> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",
>>> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.
>>> If
>>> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
>>> try your paste again.
>>>
>>> HTH.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Esther
>>>
>>>

>>>
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>>
>>>
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>
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Recording capabilities of the new iPod Nanos and Touches

[Scott Chesworth]

Hi all,

These iPod releases come at an interesting time for me, as my field
recorder has popped it's cloggs and I'm due a new toy.  So far I'm not
having much luck turning up specifics of the new recording
functionality, but I'm wondering whether this new line of iPods might
be a quick and dirty fix to get the job done.

I guess I need to know:
Is the in built mic stereo or mono? If mono, any way of hooking up an
external mic?
Can the user set recording levels?
Any sort of AGC or limiter?
What format do these little beauties record down too?

Just so you understand, I'm not looking to capture every subtle nuance
of a woodland glade on a crisp autumn morning with this thing.  It's
basically got to stand up to the abuse of a 5 peace alt rock band a
few times a week, and get the ocasional dirty bootleg of a session or
gig is all.

If you find any info to shed light on the above, please post it up.

TIA
Scott

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RE: copying from itunes

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Esther,

The bit rate is the same as your sample, 256 KBPS, and the length of the
ringtone is 32 seconds.  I tried to copy all the info, but didn't have
options to select and copy in the info table.

When I press space, it says it's playing, but there's no sound.  Also, I can
play the file with no problem if I play the copy that's on my desktop.
Thanks for all this help,
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:14 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> 
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> How odd that double-clicking didn't open the file by default into
> iTunes. And your track should play when you select it and press
> Return. OK, a few thoughts:
> 
> 1. If you select the track in the ringtones playlist, can you check
> that the time is under 40 seconds?  Look in the songs table, and VO-
> Right arrow past the name to the total time.
> 2. Can you do a Get Info (Command-I) on the track and select the
> Summary tab instead of the Options tab?  It will probably come up with
> your focus on the Summary tab and with this selected, but if not,
> select this tab with VO-Space.   VO-Right arrow into this pane past
> the title.  You should hear a report of the Kind of file, for instance:
>   Kind: Ringtone, Size: 637.3 KB, Bit Rate: 256 kbps (VBR), Sample
> Rate: 44.100 kHz, Date Modified: 9/7/09 08:52, Play Count: 2, Last
> Played: 9/7/09 09:10  unknown
> 
> I used VO-Shift-C to copy this group and paste it in.  I'm curious
> about whether your bit rate setting is at some value that the Ringtone
> won't recognize.  Can you check this information?  (This is the
> information for a ringtone I created as a test.)
> 3. If you have Amadeus Pro, can you open and play the track there?
> For example, if you have a copy of the track on your Desktop, and you
> use the context menu (VO-Shift-M), find the "Open with" menu option,
> Right arrow to the submenu, then arrow down to Amadeus Pro and press
> return, it should get loaded into Amadeus Pro.  Can you play it there
> if you press space bar?  If so, you should be able to select all
> (Command-A), go to the File menu and select the "Export as iTunes
> Ringtone." option  (VO-M, press "F", arrow down and press "E").  It
> may do another encoding conversion -- just accept the defaults.  I
> think that should add the file to the iPhones Ringtone directory, but
> you may have to open it again or use Spotlight to search for the
> file.  I tried that way of generating ring tones from my purchased
> (DRM-free songs) and it seemed to work.
> 
> Those are most of my current thoughts.  I did a few quick experiments
> with Amadeus Pro.  However, I've generated tracks that show up and
> play as Ringtones solely in iTunes as well (even with tracks purchased
> from the iTunes Store), so you should be able to do it, as well.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi Esther,
> >
> > Well, double-clicking on the file didn't do anything.  So I tried
> > pressing
> > Command-O with the file on my desktop selected--and yes, renamed
> > with the
> > M4R extension.  That did cause it to be imported into itunes, at
> > least I can
> > see it in the ringtones playlist.  But, when I try to play it, it
> > won't
> > play.  Is that normal?
> > Thanks,
> > Donna
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:29 PM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Donna,
> >>
> >> Have you already renamed the file to the .m4r extension?  If so, you
> >> should be able to just double click on the file with VO-Shift-Space
> >> (hold down Control, Option, and Shift keys and tap the space bar
> >> twice) to add the file to iTunes.  It should show up in the
> Ringtones
> >> list.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Esther
> >>
> >> Donna Goodin wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Esther,
> >>>
> >>> I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and
> >>> finding the
> >>> folder and manually copying it.  So, now it's on my desktop.  But,
> >>> When I do
> >>> Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a
> >>> file.  I
> >>> can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but
> not
> >>> the
> >>> desktop.  I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not
> >>> able to
> >>> view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder.
> >>> Any
> >>> thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my
> >>> desktop?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you!
> >>> Donna
> >>>
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>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.co

Re: getting an individuals email address

[Jessi and Goldina]

thanks!! :) I'm so glad I know how to do this again!! yay!!!
On 2009-09-09, at 11:55 AM, John André Netland wrote:

>
> Hi Jessi,
>
> If you focus on the header, interact with it and focus on the from
> address, and press VO-shift-space, you will hear "menu" and can arrow
> down to copy the address etc. etc. Just remember to route the mouse to
> your VO cursor with VO-command-F5 before you click, since I suppose
> you have set mouse cursor to ignore VO cursor to avoid the sub menu
> issue.
>
> I tested this with a message from you now, and it works just fine in  
> SL.
>
> Take care,
> John André
>
>
> On 9. sep. 2009, at 14.41, Jessi and Goldina wrote:
>
>>
>> hmm, this doesn't seem to work in snow leopard. I've just been trying
>> to read the email address and remember what it is, but there has to  
>> be
>> an easier way in sl!
>> On 2009-09-09, at 2:22 AM, Christina wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I miss the menu button.  However, if you select the text with the
>>> name/
>>> e-mail address in the from area then you can use vo plus shift plus
>>> m.  At least that worked for me.  I do not know of an easier way to
>>> select the text other than to use vo plus enter to start
>>> highlighting/
>>> selecting the text then using vo plus enter to end selecting the
>>> text.  Then you can use vo plus shift plus m.
>>>
>>> I hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Christina
>>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>>>

 Interact with the message content area and move the vo cursor over
 the
 message headers and enter act with it.  Or,
 if you are reading a message, stop interacting with the body text
 and
 move vo up to the headers.
 In leopard, vo saw the address as a menu button.  I've just noticed
 that now it doesn't.  Nor does vo-space, or vo-shft-m work on it.
 Now
 you have to route the mouse to the address and shft-click to get  
 the
 menu.
 On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:

>
> Hello, not sure if this has been covered before, but i would like
> to
> get a persons emal address who posts to the macvisionarie slist, i
> nwindows you can do this by standing on the name and then getting
> the
> ctrl-f10 menu and doing settings. Can i do this on the mac?
> Greetings, Anouk
>
>>


>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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RE: copying from itunes

[Donna Goodin]

Good thought, but no, that option is checked.
Thanks,
Donna

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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> 
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Good thought about moving this to the iTunes Music folder before
> adding it.  I forgot that Donna may have her preferences set so that
> "Copy files to iTunes Music Folder when adding to Library" is
> unchecked on the Advanced pane of the iTunes preferences menu.  Of
> course, iTunes will expect the tracks to be in the iTunes library
> location.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi Donna,
> >
> > Once you rename the extension, try moving the file from your desktop
> > to your iTunes folder. Then open it in itunes by pressing Control-O.
> >
> > Best,
> > Anna
> >
> > On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Esther,
> >>
> >> I finally copied the file, by just opening up Macintosh HD and
> >> finding the
> >> folder and manually copying it.  So, now it's on my desktop.  But,
> >> When I do
> >> Command-O in Itunes, it won't let me go to my desktop to select a
> >> file.  I
> >> can go to Contacts, users, my account folder, and documents, but not
> >> the
> >> desktop.  I tried moving the file to documents but I'm still not
> >> able to
> >> view documents from the doc, so have no way to open that folder.
> Any
> >> thoughts on how I can tell Itunes to look for the file on my
> desktop?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> Donna
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Donna,
> >>>
> >>> Donna Goodin wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  Hi all,
> 
>  I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
>  ringtones.  But I
>  am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the
>  new
>  file
>  I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
>  behavior
>  with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
>  copy
>  option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command
>  C,
>  and
>  also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it
>  onto
>  my
>  desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
>  could be
>  happening?
> >>>
> >>> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in
> iTunes
> >>> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
> >>> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
> >>> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
> >>> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
> >>> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
> >>> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-
> D",
> >>> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.
> >>> If
> >>> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
> >>> try your paste again.
> >>>
> >>> HTH.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Esther
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> >>> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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> >>> 09/09/09 06:53:00
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> > 
> 
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RE: copying from itunes

[Donna Goodin]

You guys won't believe this!

When I came back to write my last message, I closed out itunes.  I just went
back over to the mac and reopened it to double-check that the copy to Itunes
library option had remained checked.  When I reopened Itunes, it told me
that the volume was turned all the way down.  I have *no idea how this
happened, and I would never have figured it out, since I had no problem
playing the copy on my desktop.  UUU8UGHG!

So, the volume's back up, and now the ringtone is playing just fine!

Esther thank you so much for all your patience and for walking me through
this.  One things for sure, having gone through the process this many times,
I won't forget how to do it! *grin*
Take care,
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> 
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
> > ringtones.  But I
> > am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new
> > file
> > I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
> > behavior
> > with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
> > copy
> > option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C,
> > and
> > also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it onto
> > my
> > desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
> > could be
> > happening?
> 
> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes
> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",
> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.  If
> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
> try your paste again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> > 
> 
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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itunes 9 available

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Just downloading it now, after an update of the quicktime player.

Can't wait to see if the app order application is accessible :)

best

Yuma

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Re: copying from itunes

[Esther]

Hi Donna,

Glad this worked, I was just about to tell you to check the volume  
slider setting in iTunes.  This happened once to me.  There's a  
separate volume control for iTunes, and if you VO-Right arrow past the  
LCD section you'll get the buttons for "Mute", "Slider", and "Full  
Volume".  If you interact with the slider you can use your arrow keys  
to set the exact volume level.

The weirdest problem I encountered with iTunes volume was once, when a  
track sounded muted, and I went to the volume slider to find it was at  
100 per cent (full volume).  But when I backed off a little bit, the  
sound came back.  Go figure.

Cheers,

Esther

Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> You guys won't believe this!
>
> When I came back to write my last message, I closed out itunes.  I  
> just went
> back over to the mac and reopened it to double-check that the copy  
> to Itunes
> library option had remained checked.  When I reopened Itunes, it  
> told me
> that the volume was turned all the way down.  I have *no idea how this
> happened, and I would never have figured it out, since I had no  
> problem
> playing the copy on my desktop.  UUU8UGHG!
>
> So, the volume's back up, and now the ringtone is playing just fine!
>
> Esther thank you so much for all your patience and for walking me  
> through
> this.  One things for sure, having gone through the process this  
> many times,
> I won't forget how to do it! *grin*
> Take care,
> Donna
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
>>
>>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
>> Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
>>> ringtones.  But I
>>> am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the new
>>> file
>>> I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
>>> behavior
>>> with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
>>> copy
>>> option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command C,
>>> and
>>> also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it onto
>>> my
>>> desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
>>> could be
>>> happening?
>>
>> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes
>> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
>> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
>> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
>> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
>> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
>> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",
>> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.   
>> If
>> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
>> try your paste again.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date:
>> 09/09/09 06:53:00
>
>
> >


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Re: itunes 9 available

[william lomas]

it still says the old eye eye eye eye eye eye eye tunes stores thing lol
but good how they do the menu now for your account etc

On 9 Sep 2009, at 20:51, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

>
> Just downloading it now, after an update of the quicktime player.
>
> Can't wait to see if the app order application is accessible :)
>
> best
>
> Yuma
>
> >


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Re: wireless connections

[May and Wynter]

Uh, for now I'd like to keep it simple, smile.  Just until I get use to Mac. 
Playing on the web I haven't gotten to yet.

May, I finally have my MacBook, yay!!
blog: www.true-friends2009.com
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: wireless connections


>
> You might use a program like IP Scanner,
> http://10base-t.com/macintosh-software/ip-scanner/
> I'm not sure if this will work; it will only work if the FSID is being
> broadcast by the network.  Course, if you're mostly looking for free
> WIFI, it might just do the trick.
> Enjoy.
>
>
> Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>
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RE: copying from itunes

[Donna Goodin]

Well, it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who's experienced such
weirdness. :)  I'm just curious though, do you happen to know why the volume
being muted would impact playing the version that had been imported, but not
the version on my desktop that hadn't?
Take care,
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> 
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Glad this worked, I was just about to tell you to check the volume
> slider setting in iTunes.  This happened once to me.  There's a
> separate volume control for iTunes, and if you VO-Right arrow past the
> LCD section you'll get the buttons for "Mute", "Slider", and "Full
> Volume".  If you interact with the slider you can use your arrow keys
> to set the exact volume level.
> 
> The weirdest problem I encountered with iTunes volume was once, when a
> track sounded muted, and I went to the volume slider to find it was at
> 100 per cent (full volume).  But when I backed off a little bit, the
> sound came back.  Go figure.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
> >
> > You guys won't believe this!
> >
> > When I came back to write my last message, I closed out itunes.  I
> > just went
> > back over to the mac and reopened it to double-check that the copy
> > to Itunes
> > library option had remained checked.  When I reopened Itunes, it
> > told me
> > that the volume was turned all the way down.  I have *no idea how
> this
> > happened, and I would never have figured it out, since I had no
> > problem
> > playing the copy on my desktop.  UUU8UGHG!
> >
> > So, the volume's back up, and now the ringtone is playing just fine!
> >
> > Esther thank you so much for all your patience and for walking me
> > through
> > this.  One things for sure, having gone through the process this
> > many times,
> > I won't forget how to do it! *grin*
> > Take care,
> > Donna
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Donna,
> >>
> >> Donna Goodin wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
> >>> ringtones.  But I
> >>> am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the
> new
> >>> file
> >>> I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
> >>> behavior
> >>> with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
> >>> copy
> >>> option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command
> C,
> >>> and
> >>> also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it
> onto
> >>> my
> >>> desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
> >>> could be
> >>> happening?
> >>
> >> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in iTunes
> >> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
> >> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
> >> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
> >> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
> >> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
> >> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-D",
> >> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.
> >> If
> >> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
> >> try your paste again.
> >>
> >> HTH.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Esther
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date:
> >> 09/09/09 06:53:00
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> > 
> 
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Re: wireless connections

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

M twice, then VO right arrow until you hear the airport menu; Down  
arrow at that point to hear a list of all the wireless networks your  
Mac sees; there's a "join other networks," option if you know the FSID  
of the network you want and it's not being broadcast.  That's  
simpler. :)
VO

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Wondering about convertion of Aiff files to compressed files for ipod

[Jesper Holten]

Hi everybody.
With the release of Ipod touch, I now have to face the issue of converting 
my itunes library to something that is handled nicely on the Ipod. My itunes 
Library  files are uncompressed Aiff files, and I will have to convert that 
into e.g. Aac compressed audio that plays on the ipod. Is that done 
automaticly when syncing  the ipod with my Imac or do I have to do something 
to ease the process?
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Re: ftpclients on the mac?

[Mike Reiser]

I'd also like to recommend filezilla which is free.  It might be  
familiar to some formal windows users on this list but it's accessible  
with vo also.

MikeÎ
On Sep 4, 2009, at 2:32 AM, anouk radix wrote:

>
> Thanks Erik I had already dowloaded unison not knowing it was by
> panic. When i just browsed their site yesterdauy
> I could not locate unison there. Great to know that downloading
> binaries does work on the mac.
> Greetings, Anouk,On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:25 AM, hank smith wrote:
>
>>
>> hat is the website?
>> the link that was given earlier gave stuff on mental health etc
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "erik burggraaf" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: ftpclients on the mac?
>>
>>
>>> /You're going to get loads of recomendations for transmit, but I  
>>> just
>>> wanted to add mine anyway, because transmit is plain awesom.  Unison
>>> is amazing as well if you like binary news groups.  In fact, just  
>>> buy
>>> anything put out by panic software on the off chance you might need
>>> or
>>> want it one day and you won't be disappointed.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> erik burggraaf
>>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant.
>>> Phone: 888-255-5194
>>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>>>
>>> On 3-Sep-09, at 9:01 AM, anouk radix wrote:
>>>

 Hello are there any good ftp-clients that work with voicover? With
 good i mean that they have to be able to que stuff and download
 folders.
 Greetings, Anouk

>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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purchased book from itunes

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi everyone,

I can't find the book i purchasedfrom itunes in the sources table. And  
there is no checkbox in the prefs. Even on the new itunes i can't find  
it.

I really like the new menu on the itunes store though :)

Oh, before i digressed: does anyone know where i can find book files?

Thanks, and best

Yuma

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Re: getting an individuals email address

[Thomas McMahan]

Doesn't comand Y not work?  Does here in tigerland.Would be faster at  
least to get the address in book.  Of course if you want to hear the  
actual address, back to interaction again *lol.*
On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote:

>
> thanks!! :) I'm so glad I know how to do this again!! yay!!!
> On 2009-09-09, at 11:55 AM, John André Netland wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Jessi,
>>
>> If you focus on the header, interact with it and focus on the from
>> address, and press VO-shift-space, you will hear "menu" and can arrow
>> down to copy the address etc. etc. Just remember to route the  
>> mouse to
>> your VO cursor with VO-command-F5 before you click, since I suppose
>> you have set mouse cursor to ignore VO cursor to avoid the sub menu
>> issue.
>>
>> I tested this with a message from you now, and it works just fine in
>> SL.
>>
>> Take care,
>> John André
>>
>>
>> On 9. sep. 2009, at 14.41, Jessi and Goldina wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> hmm, this doesn't seem to work in snow leopard. I've just been  
>>> trying
>>> to read the email address and remember what it is, but there has to
>>> be
>>> an easier way in sl!
>>> On 2009-09-09, at 2:22 AM, Christina wrote:
>>>

 Hi,

 I miss the menu button.  However, if you select the text with the
 name/
 e-mail address in the from area then you can use vo plus shift plus
 m.  At least that worked for me.  I do not know of an easier way to
 select the text other than to use vo plus enter to start
 highlighting/
 selecting the text then using vo plus enter to end selecting the
 text.  Then you can use vo plus shift plus m.

 I hope that helps.

 Christina
 On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:

>
> Interact with the message content area and move the vo cursor over
> the
> message headers and enter act with it.  Or,
> if you are reading a message, stop interacting with the body text
> and
> move vo up to the headers.
> In leopard, vo saw the address as a menu button.  I've just  
> noticed
> that now it doesn't.  Nor does vo-space, or vo-shft-m work on it.
> Now
> you have to route the mouse to the address and shft-click to get
> the
> menu.
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello, not sure if this has been covered before, but i would like
>> to
>> get a persons emal address who posts to the macvisionarie  
>> slist, i
>> nwindows you can do this by standing on the name and then getting
>> the
>> ctrl-f10 menu and doing settings. Can i do this on the mac?
>> Greetings, Anouk
>>
>>>
>
>
>>


>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
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Re: voice over menu script

[Jonathan Cohn]

OK, I looked at this a bit.  The way to start an application is to use  
tell for it...

So the below worked for me.

tell application "VoiceOver Utility"
activate
end tell

On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> After reading quite a few things and testing out for myself, i've  
> gotten to understand certain basics.
>
> I wrote this little piece of code to open up the voice over utility
>
> tell application "Finder"
>   open application "VoiceOver Utility"
> end tell
>
> the script returns no error, the voice over utility opens fine, but  
> it then gives me an error saying voice over utility has an error.  
> When i get back to it, there is no problem navigating through it etc.
>
> next piece of code i'm thinking of adding is a get paremeters so i  
> can trace where each of the grid rows and tabs are nested within the  
> aipplication.
>
> But i wanted to know if anyone can emulate this error and tell me  
> where i've gone wrong??? :)
>
> Baby steps, but big leap into this huge pool of possibilities
>
> best
>
> Yuma
>
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Re: copying from itunes

[Esther]

Hi Donna,

I'll post a longer answer about copying for Ringtones later, but as a  
quick answer to your question, the difference in your being able to  
play the Desktop version vs. the version in iTunes may be that in  
iTunes the setting of you volume slider was checked.  If it was  
something weird, like Full volume on the slider being registered as 0  
on the switch, things could have behaved the way you described.   
iTunes actually plays and encodes music through QuickTime, which is  
why Windows users have to download QuickTime as well as iTunes.  The  
QuickTime interface offers more playing and control options, but  
doesn't support DRM music or Audible books.  If the Desktop version  
triggered QuickTime's player, that could be another reason that the  
switch setting in iTunes was ignored.

Cheers,

Esther

Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Well, it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who's experienced  
> such
> weirdness. :)  I'm just curious though, do you happen to know why  
> the volume
> being muted would impact playing the version that had been imported,  
> but not
> the version on my desktop that hadn't?
> Take care,
> Donna
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:53 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
>>
>>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
>> Glad this worked, I was just about to tell you to check the volume
>> slider setting in iTunes.  This happened once to me.  There's a
>> separate volume control for iTunes, and if you VO-Right arrow past  
>> the
>> LCD section you'll get the buttons for "Mute", "Slider", and "Full
>> Volume".  If you interact with the slider you can use your arrow keys
>> to set the exact volume level.
>>
>> The weirdest problem I encountered with iTunes volume was once,  
>> when a
>> track sounded muted, and I went to the volume slider to find it was  
>> at
>> 100 per cent (full volume).  But when I backed off a little bit, the
>> sound came back.  Go figure.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You guys won't believe this!
>>>
>>> When I came back to write my last message, I closed out itunes.  I
>>> just went
>>> back over to the mac and reopened it to double-check that the copy
>>> to Itunes
>>> library option had remained checked.  When I reopened Itunes, it
>>> told me
>>> that the volume was turned all the way down.  I have *no idea how
>> this
>>> happened, and I would never have figured it out, since I had no
>>> problem
>>> playing the copy on my desktop.  UUU8UGHG!
>>>
>>> So, the volume's back up, and now the ringtone is playing just fine!
>>>
>>> Esther thank you so much for all your patience and for walking me
>>> through
>>> this.  One things for sure, having gone through the process this
>>> many times,
>>> I won't forget how to do it! *grin*
>>> Take care,
>>> Donna
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
 Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: copying from itunes


 Hi Donna,

 Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
> ringtones.  But I
> am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the
>> new
> file
> I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be new
> behavior
> with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.  The
> copy
> option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command
>> C,
> and
> also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it
>> onto
> my
> desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
> could be
> happening?

 You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in  
 iTunes
 with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in iTunes
 use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file in
 Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
 highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
 Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
 press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift- 
 D",
 just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.
 If
 you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1 and
 try your paste again.

 HTH.

 Cheers,

 Esther


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Re: Working with more than one acount

[Scott Howell]

Chris, sorry I must have missed the initial message on this thread,  
but you are correct.
On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> I didn't notice any replies to your email so I'll take a crack at it.
>
> If software update does the update it should apply to all accounts.  
> If the account has insufficient privileges to complete the update it  
> should either fail and tell you or ask for the admin account to  
> authenticate. While you may have multiple accounts, they share the  
> same core applications and OS components. So an update to iTunes or  
> a security patch to Safari will be noticed by all users.
>
> CB
>
> James & Nash wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> As I think I mentioned before on here, I always use a limited  
>> account for my daily use on all my computers - wether it's Windows,  
>> Linux or Mac. So I was wondering. If I use the Admin account to run  
>> Software Update, will the updates be applied to the entire OS or  
>> only for that account?
>>
>> Also, I have notieced that if I enter my Admin password whilse in  
>> my limited account, I can bypass it and do what I want. Is there a  
>> way to tell Mac OS X not to offer me this choice as in Linux please?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Take care
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>
> >


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Re: copying from itunes

[Donna Goodin]

Ah, that makes sense. I didn't realize that ITunes is basically an  
interface with Quicktime.
Best,
Donna
On Sep 9, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Esther wrote:

>
> Hi Donna,
>
> I'll post a longer answer about copying for Ringtones later, but as a
> quick answer to your question, the difference in your being able to
> play the Desktop version vs. the version in iTunes may be that in
> iTunes the setting of you volume slider was checked.  If it was
> something weird, like Full volume on the slider being registered as 0
> on the switch, things could have behaved the way you described.
> iTunes actually plays and encodes music through QuickTime, which is
> why Windows users have to download QuickTime as well as iTunes.  The
> QuickTime interface offers more playing and control options, but
> doesn't support DRM music or Audible books.  If the Desktop version
> triggered QuickTime's player, that could be another reason that the
> switch setting in iTunes was ignored.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who's experienced
>> such
>> weirdness. :)  I'm just curious though, do you happen to know why
>> the volume
>> being muted would impact playing the version that had been imported,
>> but not
>> the version on my desktop that hadn't?
>> Take care,
>> Donna
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:53 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Donna,
>>>
>>> Glad this worked, I was just about to tell you to check the volume
>>> slider setting in iTunes.  This happened once to me.  There's a
>>> separate volume control for iTunes, and if you VO-Right arrow past
>>> the
>>> LCD section you'll get the buttons for "Mute", "Slider", and "Full
>>> Volume".  If you interact with the slider you can use your arrow  
>>> keys
>>> to set the exact volume level.
>>>
>>> The weirdest problem I encountered with iTunes volume was once,
>>> when a
>>> track sounded muted, and I went to the volume slider to find it was
>>> at
>>> 100 per cent (full volume).  But when I backed off a little bit, the
>>> sound came back.  Go figure.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Esther
>>>
>>> Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>

 You guys won't believe this!

 When I came back to write my last message, I closed out itunes.  I
 just went
 back over to the mac and reopened it to double-check that the copy
 to Itunes
 library option had remained checked.  When I reopened Itunes, it
 told me
 that the volume was turned all the way down.  I have *no idea how
>>> this
 happened, and I would never have figured it out, since I had no
 problem
 playing the copy on my desktop.  UUU8UGHG!

 So, the volume's back up, and now the ringtone is playing just  
 fine!

 Esther thank you so much for all your patience and for walking me
 through
 this.  One things for sure, having gone through the process this
 many times,
 I won't forget how to do it! *grin*
 Take care,
 Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: copying from itunes
>
>
> Hi Donna,
>
> Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm attempting to follow Simon's instructions for creating
>> ringtones.  But I
>> am unable to copy anything out of my itunes songs table, not the
>>> new
>> file
>> I've created and not any other files either.  This seems to be  
>> new
>> behavior
>> with Snow Leopard?  At least, it never happened to me before.   
>> The
>> copy
>> option shows up in the menu as valid, I've tried pressing Command
>>> C,
>> and
>> also activating it through the menu.  But when I go to paste it
>>> onto
>> my
>> desktop, the paste command shows up as dimmed.  Anyone know what
>> could be
>> happening?
>
> You can try the following: if you've created a copied file in
> iTunes
> with "Create AAC Version" and have that track highlighted in  
> iTunes
> use the "Command-R" shortcut that shows the location of the file  
> in
> Finder to bring up a Finder window with your selected track
> highlighted.  Then, from that Finder window, copy the track with
> Command-C and paste it to the Desktop.  You should even be able to
> press the shortcut for navigating to the Desktop, "Command-Shift-
> D",
> just after you copy with Command-C, and then paste with Command-V.
> If
> you have difficulty pasting, switch to icon view with Command-1  
> and
> try your paste again.
>
> HTH.
>

mobile me account

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi all,

I've been trying to register for the free trial to mobile me, and went  
to fill in my billing info, but when i press on the unlabelled button,  
i keep getting back to the same page. I've noticed thatthere is no  
radio button or anything to say that i agree to terms of service,  
unless that unlabelled button is the i agree button, but it still  
won't route me to the next step of the registration.

Has anyone encountered this problem? Does one need sighted assistance  
to go through the process?

Any help or pointer would be greatly appreciated

Thanks, and best

Yuma

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FTP Server was RE: ftpclients on the mac?

[Blake Sinnett]

If they'd make their server available on the Mac, I'd be very happy. Anyone 
know of a good FTP server with a comparable feature set of FileZilla Server? 
I'd prefer it to be free, but if it's cheap that's fine too.

 

Thanks,

Blake
 
> Subject: Re: ftpclients on the mac?
> From: blindgu...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:35:53 -0500
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> I'd also like to recommend filezilla which is free. It might be 
> familiar to some formal windows users on this list but it's accessible 
> with vo also.
> 
> MikeÎ
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Re: voice over menu script

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi John,

I thought voiceover utility couldn't be openend directly from the tell  
command as it wasn't in the suites in the library...lol

Well, that does clear it up, got much more to read :)

Best

Yuma

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EFI Mac Mini Firmware update

[Rich Ring]

Does anyone know what this is?
Haven't got a clue.


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Connecting with Mac to wireless network

[James & Nash]

Hi folks,

I have a slight problem. I can connect to my wireless network on my Windows 
machine and my MacBook can locate other networks but it cannot locate or 
connect to my own wireless network. It does connect when via the Ethernet 
cable connecting directly to my Router/moden. Can anyone please advise?

Thank you

Take care

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Re: jamochamud (java program)

[J. Robinson]

Excellent; I'll let you know when I've worked on the accessibility
issues in JamochaMUD.  According to the documentation I've found Java
has a lot of built-in accessibility features so it may be relatively
trivial to get things set-up (everything from tool-tips and keyboard
navigation to binding labels to text fields).

It will probably be more of a wait for me to find time to make the
changes than to do the actual work!

Jeff

On Sep 9, 10:04 am, anouk radix  wrote:
> Hi there, I would be very glad to help in any way I can. I can of  
> course run windows virtually via vmware but I would rather do stuff  
> natively on the mac. I did hear from some people that you have to  
> label the buttons if this is at all possible in java. I did get  
> initial text, the buttons just were not labeled or did not have help  
> text. When you think stuff should work I will also inform some other  
> mudders I know to have a mac but not be on any list.
> Greetings, Anouk
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, J. Robinson wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks for writing back.
>
> > I wasn't certain if there was something I had to do directly to make
> > JamochaMUD usable by screen readers and the like, but a little poking
> > around shows that there is indeed a Java Accessible programming
> > interface.
>
> > This implies to me that if I implement the accessible features of Java
> > then it will probably play nice with the Mac Voiceover.
>
> > I do most of my programming in Linux, but luckily my wife has a Mac
> > laptop so I should be able to do some testing.
>
> > Would you mind if I contact you in the future to do some testing for
> > me once I feel I've got accessibility features added?
>
> > Jeff
>
> > On Sep 8, 7:20 pm, anouk radix  wrote:
> >> Hello, sorry for the late reply. I myself recently switched to the  
> >> mac
> >> and am not a programmer. I would love to just use the mac though,
> >> replacing windows because i really love the os x operating system  
> >> anbd
> >> voiceover. I would recommend trying to mail accessibil...@apple.com  
> >> to
> >> see if they know of osme improvements you can do... I have also
> >> forwarded your message to the other mailing list for blind people on
> >> th emac macvoiceover so hopefully you will get some replies.
> >> Greetings, Anouk
> >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:29 PM, J. Robinson wrote:
>
> >>> Hi there,
>
> >>> I'm the author of JamochaMUD.
>
> >>> In the interest of making JamochaMUD as good as it can be for  
> >>> multiple
> >>> platforms, I'd be interested in hearing exactly what problems you  
> >>> are
> >>> having with JamochaMUD to see if I can solve them.  Especially if
> >>> there are certain things that are Mac-specific that I may have over-
> >>> looked.
>
> >>> Jeff
>
> >>> On Sep 2, 12:14 pm, anouk radix  wrote:
>  Hello, this free mud client does not seem to have problems with  
>  snow
>  leopard but it is nt really accessible either, i can read the  
>  welcom
>  screen but then i cant go to menus (if it has those) or go to
>  buttons,
>  they have no help tag.
>  should java normally work with voicover? Their website is
>  jamochamud.org and it seems to be the only mudclient for os x  
>  that is
>  still being developed.
>  Greetings, Anouk
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Re: Connecting with Mac to wireless network

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

1. can your mac see the network but not connect?
2. Is your wireless router configured by you or another party.
3. Which MacOS are you running?

On Sep 9, 2009, at 6:24 PM, James & Nash wrote:

>
> Hi folks,
>
> I have a slight problem. I can connect to my wireless network on my  
> Windows
> machine and my MacBook can locate other networks but it cannot  
> locate or
> connect to my own wireless network. It does connect when via the  
> Ethernet
> cable connecting directly to my Router/moden. Can anyone please  
> advise?
>
> Thank you
>
> Take care
>
> James
>
>
> >


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