Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
http://www.creativeapplications.net/iphone/face-it-iphone/ Here's the answer to your question about 3d audio. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Format Utility
Yeah it's called format.com Try this. Format drive letter /u/fs:fat Or, go to control panel, admin tools, coputer management, disk manager, then find the external drive and right click on it to do a format then set the format as fat / fat 32 when you get to that option. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Bucher Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2009 6:47 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Format Utility Hello, Is there a program that runs under Windows that will format an external USB drive in Mac OS format? Keith --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Format Utility
Keith asked for Mac OS X format though, which I'm guessing means HFS, which as far as I know format.com can't do. Fat32 would probably be the best bet though if you need both OS's to be able to have read/write access from any mac. On 7/31/09, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Yeah it's called format.com > > Try this. > > Format drive letter /u/fs:fat > > Or, go to control panel, admin tools, coputer management, disk manager, then > find the external drive and right click on it to do a format then set the > format as fat / fat 32 when you get to that option. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Bucher > Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2009 6:47 p.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Format Utility > > > Hello, > > Is there a program that runs under Windows that will format an > external USB drive in Mac OS format? > > > > Keith > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
The most "accurate" spatial audio information uses a technique called Head Relative Transform Functions (HRTF) which simulates relatively precise tonal qualities of sounds that one perceives from a specific direction. Some of the research into what became these functions had humans sitting with dozens of very tiny microphones set up in an array in their ears. there was more than enough similarity for the physicists to resolve the raw data into a number of mathematical equations and the output of said functions is amazing. the problem with HRTF is that it is very compute intensive. Of course, when I first started diddling about with it, I was on what is now a six year old Dell desktop. A dual core, 64 bit laptop should be able to handle these equations in real time much more easily. Microsoft has for a number of years now included HRtF in DirectSound (the audio component of Drect X) and my experiments with them showed very promising results. I don't know the Macintosh API too well so I don't know if they have something similar, identical or not. The Microsoft documentation does warn about relying too much on these functions as they can bog down the processor and cause other threads to behave kind of badly (again, all of the faster new computers should be able to calculate these sounds in real time. I've loads of ideas for a combination of really accurate sound combined with a haptic interface using the Falcon to simulate a whole lot of 3 dimensional real world objects. cdh On Jul 30, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > I've heard there is a lot more to spacial placement than just > fiddling with the pan to adjust volume levels. At least this seems > obvious to me when a little pan to the left makes the sound fly way > off to the left of the sound field. Probably a lot more going on in > the ear that isn't fooled by that trick. So, that said, do you have > any idea if the VoiceOver positional audio is doing real sound field > magic or is it just a subtle pan? > > One underrated feature on the new iPhone is the compass. With this > an application can not only know where you are but also which way > you (or at least your phone) is pointed. This makes possible real > walking directions from where you're at using left and right rather > than assuming the user has their cardinal orientation correct. Even > feedback to say what is in front of you in the direction you are > pointing. Should be good things coming. > > CB > > Chris Hofstader wrote: >> >> Including the two textbook chapters (one entirely on games and >> another >> with a portion on audio games), a couple of peer reviewed articles on >> the matter, a pile of blog articles >> (http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com >> ) and the odd item here and there, I have studied a handful of audio >> games in depth, fooled around with a few others and talked to a lot >> of >> their authors but the breadth of my knowledge is far more narrow than >> a dozen hardcore gamers I know and rely on for brief descriptions for >> new entries so I can quickly ascertain how they may move the science >> in a new and/or different and interesting direction. >> >> As I said this morning, I am far too boring to actually build a real >> game and, when you scratch beyond the surface, you will find that >> first and for mostly, I think about putting technology in the hands >> of >> blinks that will provide them with the tools they may choose to >> employ >> in a job or school situation. >> >> >> If you are interested in mixing sound and tactile feedback, get a >> look >> at a Falcon 3D tactile controller. I think they have an SDK for Mac >> and they do .5 mm tactile resolution (most humans can feel no better >> than .1 mm) so you can do extraordinary things with this device and >> they only cost about $ 100 (really). >> >> I like the idea of using the iPhone for orientation and to provide >> information about one's surroundings. I'm not especially impressed >> by >> the iPhone's Maps application but its location services are pretty >> excellent. I thought of this while walking through Harvard Yard >> after >> lunch today and wondered how a student new to the university would >> find the library as opposed to the historical center next door as >> none >> of these buildings have traditional street addresses and are arrived >> at by foot paths. Your idea could give a student a lot of good >> information and can be used as a fallback if they get confused. >> >> Cool idea. >> cdh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 30, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Mark Baxter wrote: >> >> >>> I really wonder why no one's heard of AudioQuake with MindGrid. The >>> project has somewhat stalled out over the past two years, but the >>> "Jedi Quake," version, written by Cara Quinn and others, is the best >>> 3D audio simulation I've seen. I can't speak for the parallel- >>> processing audio ca
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
Hi, Would it be useful if I started a 3dau...@lists.hofstader.com? I think we have a few people interested and private communication will cause some ideas to slip through , leaving some of the gang with a different set of notions than others which can cause real confusion as conversations advance. Also, I would propose that we spend some time researching the API and sharing our thoughts on it and then, perhaps, start a project for the team to do as a group. Happy Hacking, cdh On Jul 30, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Thanks for the amazing response and information pertaining to this > indeed very intriguing field. I can't get the concept out of my head > as this promises many new applications for the visually impaired > provided the technologies discussed herein are actually possible > within the API set of the iphone's SDK. > I agree that one of themoreimportant aspects of a true audio is > positional audio. > For the example of a audio based RPG/adventure game, the tactile > experience adding further dimension to the experience comparable to a > wii interface can be extremely satisfying as there is a contextual > assimilation of imaginary interpretations within the application. > > I think i will document myself extensively on the iphone SDK and > figure some avenues yet to be explored for the blind community. > > If anyone is interested in brainstorming over this subject, and if > anyone has some previous experience little or lots on the SDK, you can > contact me on skype as shainobi1 and triple7 for twitter. > > Again, thank you so much for the varied responses and i hope this > discussion can generate some form ofdevelopement of a new gaming > experience in the future to come. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: something is a miss here.
I had to run Disk Warrior once on my childrens's e-mac computer. The disk had enough errors that it took 3-4 days to recover data. There were 100's of files (mostly system files) that it could not recover, but I was able to reteive most of their documents. I then did a full format and restored the system. If your computer is under maintencnace and has not suffered from abuse, I would just let the apple store give you a new hard disk. They can charge a small fee to store all the information on the HD and migrate it to the new disk. Best regards, Jon On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > I imagine Apple will charge the same as the vendor online, $99.95. > Ironically, I found a message someone had sent to another list about > this product and it apparently is the real deal. So, I'm giving some > thought to purchasing it myself. I've been very lucky in that I have > not lost any drives and I do have backups, but there is always that > one chance and with a kid, well, hell, anything is possible. > On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:05 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Before you or anyone else does anything, make sure that you've >> cloaned >> your drive. Software wise, hsf is some what of a nightmair to recover >> files from so before any data recovery apps try and mess with >> anything, its important that you have an at least partially working >> copy of your hard drive stored somewhere. >> >> On 30/07/2009, erik burggraaf wrote: >>> >>> Hi, thanks for all this. Smart status does in deed say varified. >>> >>> Do you remember off hand how much the apple store might charge me >>> for >>> disc warrier? I'm looking it up on the apple store online now, but >>> if >>> it's not expensive, say, under the $100 mark, I might just buy it >>> from >>> the apple store and let the geneus handle it. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 30-Jul-09, at 5:33 PM, Esther wrote: >>> Hi Erik, One quick question: when you run Disk Utility what reading do you get when you select the hard drive above "Macintosh HD" on the sidebar? That is, when you VO-Up arrow to something that says (for example, 232.9 GB Fujitsu etc.) Use item chooser menu to go to "selected disk image" and then VO-Right arrow and interact with the part that begins "Disk Description". There should be an announcement of "S.M.A.R.T. Status:" Does it say "verified" after that announcement? You can sometimes recover from this with Alsoft's "Disk Warrior" but there are accessibility issues running from the DVD, I think. If it's on a cloned disk you can run it on your home disk drive through the clone. If you have a local Apple Store nearby, they can probably run this as a diagnostic on your hard drive. They might be willing to go ahead and run it on your hard drive if you bought a copy of the software from the store (though it's slightly cheaper from the web download.) And you should probably have a new hard drive to copy to before things get seriously worse and unrecoverable. Disk Warrior does work to recover in instances such as you describe, although given the circumstances I would ask at my local Apple Store and try to have them run this. I'm sure that every Genius bar has a copy of this. They can run the diagnosis for you even if they won't run the recovery. You should know that there is a possibility of introducing problems in doing the recover mode, but in most instances it just works, and the problems are minimal. In that case, if your disk has really gone south the amount of work you'd have to do to get the problem areas fully recovered without these glitches is quite major, and probably beyond your scope. Disk Warrior does work very well, although I haven't had to use it for quite a while -- since first upgrading to Leopard. Cheers, Esther erik burggraaf wrote: > > Hi friends. I think something is rong with my apple hardware. > > 3 or four weeks ago I started having checksums fail when I coppied > things across the network from my old turion notebook to the > macbook > here. > > I thought it might be the disc on the other machine failing. It > is 4 > or 5 years old now after all. But I've also noticed I can't run > digital voices like alex or ryan any more. The system doesn't > stand > for it. Even when I'm using fred or bruce vo restarts often, > programs > hang, and some times the whole system seems to go dead for a > minute, > the dvd drive resets, and then the system comes back to life as if > nothing had happened. > > Yesterday I loaded u
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
Apple's audio APIs do support HRTF on OSX: http://developer.apple.com/audio/overview.html but apparently HRTF has not made it to the iPhone: http://www.steamboatmountaindesigns.com/blog/2009/02/openal-for-iphone-does-not-support-hrtf.html Would be nice if these guys ported the Mac fmod sound system to iPhone: http://www.garagegames.com/community/blogs/view/16489 CB Chris Hofstader wrote: > The most "accurate" spatial audio information uses a technique called > Head Relative Transform Functions (HRTF) which simulates relatively > precise tonal qualities of sounds that one perceives from a specific > direction. > > Some of the research into what became these functions had humans > sitting with dozens of very tiny microphones set up in an array in > their ears. there was more than enough similarity for the physicists > to resolve the raw data into a number of mathematical equations and > the output of said functions is amazing. > > the problem with HRTF is that it is very compute intensive. Of > course, when I first started diddling about with it, I was on what is > now a six year old Dell desktop. A dual core, 64 bit laptop should be > able to handle these equations in real time much more easily. > > Microsoft has for a number of years now included HRtF in DirectSound > (the audio component of Drect X) and my experiments with them showed > very promising results. I don't know the Macintosh API too well so I > don't know if they have something similar, identical or not. The > Microsoft documentation does warn about relying too much on these > functions as they can bog down the processor and cause other threads > to behave kind of badly (again, all of the faster new computers should > be able to calculate these sounds in real time. > > I've loads of ideas for a combination of really accurate sound > combined with a haptic interface using the Falcon to simulate a whole > lot of 3 dimensional real world objects. > > cdh > > > > > On Jul 30, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> I've heard there is a lot more to spacial placement than just >> fiddling with the pan to adjust volume levels. At least this seems >> obvious to me when a little pan to the left makes the sound fly way >> off to the left of the sound field. Probably a lot more going on in >> the ear that isn't fooled by that trick. So, that said, do you have >> any idea if the VoiceOver positional audio is doing real sound field >> magic or is it just a subtle pan? >> >> One underrated feature on the new iPhone is the compass. With this an >> application can not only know where you are but also which way you >> (or at least your phone) is pointed. This makes possible real walking >> directions from where you're at using left and right rather than >> assuming the user has their cardinal orientation correct. Even >> feedback to say what is in front of you in the direction you are >> pointing. Should be good things coming. >> >> CB >> >> Chris Hofstader wrote: >>> Including the two textbook chapters (one entirely on games and another >>> with a portion on audio games), a couple of peer reviewed articles on >>> the matter, a pile of blog articles >>> (http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com >>> ) and the odd item here and there, I have studied a handful of audio >>> games in depth, fooled around with a few others and talked to a lot of >>> their authors but the breadth of my knowledge is far more narrow than >>> a dozen hardcore gamers I know and rely on for brief descriptions for >>> new entries so I can quickly ascertain how they may move the science >>> in a new and/or different and interesting direction. >>> >>> As I said this morning, I am far too boring to actually build a real >>> game and, when you scratch beyond the surface, you will find that >>> first and for mostly, I think about putting technology in the hands of >>> blinks that will provide them with the tools they may choose to employ >>> in a job or school situation. >>> >>> >>> If you are interested in mixing sound and tactile feedback, get a look >>> at a Falcon 3D tactile controller. I think they have an SDK for Mac >>> and they do .5 mm tactile resolution (most humans can feel no better >>> than .1 mm) so you can do extraordinary things with this device and >>> they only cost about $ 100 (really). >>> >>> I like the idea of using the iPhone for orientation and to provide >>> information about one's surroundings. I'm not especially impressed by >>> the iPhone's Maps application but its location services are pretty >>> excellent. I thought of this while walking through Harvard Yard after >>> lunch today and wondered how a student new to the university would >>> find the library as opposed to the historical center next door as none >>> of these buildings have traditional street addresses and are arrived >>> at by foot paths. Your idea could give a student a lot of good >>> informat
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
Hi, I'm not sure that an orientation application would need HrtF as buildings and such are big enough to not require pinpoint accuracy. Also, typical mobile computing ear buds are probably not accurate enough (unless you go for something like those from Shure at about $250) to deliver the audio information in enough detail to really use the HrtF capabilities. I think it would be dangerous to wear a good enough headset while walking places where we might encounter vehicles or other dangerous obstacles - dangerous, of course, until we develop virtual landscapes based on laser scans of our surroundings. The latter idea is, as of right now, purely science fiction but I can imagine how it would work and can probably talk some of my electronic hardware hackers to use laser range finders used by hunters to build a real time wireframe models of our surroundings which, of course, would "see" cars coming almost instantly and then we need to figure out how to tell the user all of the information our vision synthesizer (audio has had synthesizers for a long time, why not vision?) has collected and then couple that with location services and points of interest and the like. Happy Hacking, cdh On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > Apple's audio APIs do support HRTF on OSX: > > http://developer.apple.com/audio/overview.html > > but apparently HRTF has not made it to the iPhone: > > http://www.steamboatmountaindesigns.com/blog/2009/02/openal-for-iphone-does-not-support-hrtf.html > > Would be nice if these guys ported the Mac fmod sound system to > iPhone: > > http://www.garagegames.com/community/blogs/view/16489 > > CB > > Chris Hofstader wrote: >> >> The most "accurate" spatial audio information uses a technique >> called Head Relative Transform Functions (HRTF) which simulates >> relatively precise tonal qualities of sounds that one perceives >> from a specific direction. >> >> Some of the research into what became these functions had humans >> sitting with dozens of very tiny microphones set up in an array in >> their ears. there was more than enough similarity for the >> physicists to resolve the raw data into a number of mathematical >> equations and the output of said functions is amazing. >> >> the problem with HRTF is that it is very compute intensive. Of >> course, when I first started diddling about with it, I was on what >> is now a six year old Dell desktop. A dual core, 64 bit laptop >> should be able to handle these equations in real time much more >> easily. >> >> Microsoft has for a number of years now included HRtF in >> DirectSound (the audio component of Drect X) and my experiments >> with them showed very promising results. I don't know the >> Macintosh API too well so I don't know if they have something >> similar, identical or not. The Microsoft documentation does warn >> about relying too much on these functions as they can bog down the >> processor and cause other threads to behave kind of badly (again, >> all of the faster new computers should be able to calculate these >> sounds in real time. >> >> I've loads of ideas for a combination of really accurate sound >> combined with a haptic interface using the Falcon to simulate a >> whole lot of 3 dimensional real world objects. >> >> cdh >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 30, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >>> I've heard there is a lot more to spacial placement than just >>> fiddling with the pan to adjust volume levels. At least this seems >>> obvious to me when a little pan to the left makes the sound fly >>> way off to the left of the sound field. Probably a lot more going >>> on in the ear that isn't fooled by that trick. So, that said, do >>> you have any idea if the VoiceOver positional audio is doing real >>> sound field magic or is it just a subtle pan? >>> >>> One underrated feature on the new iPhone is the compass. With this >>> an application can not only know where you are but also which way >>> you (or at least your phone) is pointed. This makes possible real >>> walking directions from where you're at using left and right >>> rather than assuming the user has their cardinal orientation >>> correct. Even feedback to say what is in front of you in the >>> direction you are pointing. Should be good things coming. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> Chris Hofstader wrote: Including the two textbook chapters (one entirely on games and another with a portion on audio games), a couple of peer reviewed articles on the matter, a pile of blog articles (http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com ) and the odd item here and there, I have studied a handful of audio games in depth, fooled around with a few others and talked to a lot of their authors but the breadth of my knowledge is far more narrow than a dozen hardcore gamers I know and rely on for brief des
My trip to see an iPhone with no success
Hi all! OK, so today it was time for me to see and try the new iPhone. I don't usually like these bigger stores due to their often lack of service I have experienced so I usually prefer some smaller stores where I have some contacts. Anyway, I went to the big shopping center here. When I visited one store a few days ago they toldme that they will have a demo unit to try today. But they did not! They had already sold it and they told me to sign up on a waiting list. OK, I went on to the next store. They had a unit, but they didn't want to open the box! Only if I would purchase it they would other wise not. So no demo unit there either. Oh well, I went on to the third one. Bingo! They had a unit but I did not remember the whole manual and when I got help from a friend of mine to turn VoiceOver on, the phone asked me if I want to change the default gester. I answered ok but then it was silent. I did not remember how to fix this so I asked a representative in the store if I could sit down and try it for some time maybe a ew hours and if i like it eventually buy it tomorrow. But they did not want me to do that! They explained that we have this demo unit and we can not let you try it that way. So I told them ok you have lost a customer. So now i am back home without having seen it that much! Going to contact my store where i usually get help and service! What do you think? Best regards, Christian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My trip to see an iPhone with no success
Hi: That unfortunatly seems to be the standard response when people want to really try out a piece of equipment. Sorry you had such trouble! *** MQ *** -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
eBay may have to shut down Skype
I know a lot of folks on this list use Skype so in case you hadn't already read this elsewhere there is a legal battle between Skype owner eBay and the original developers of Skype over licensing. eBay says it might have to pull the plug on Skype if it can't get this resolved. http://www.theage.com.au/technology/biz-tech/shock-threat-to-shut-skype-20090731-e3qe.html CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
braille tables
Hi all. Does anyone here know if there is a swedish braille table available somewhere? And can I disable contracted braille forever? I don't like that I have to switch it off all times I start vo. I don't understand u s contracted braille very good. All the best. Tony. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: eBay may have to shut down Skype
Denna kan være grei å vite om for ISE som har styremøta via skype... Kort sagt, går d ut på at eBay som eie Skype nu, stenge d dersom dæm å di orginale utvikleran ikke klare å løse no sånn liserieringsgreier. Med vennlig hilsen David Hole ! Veni, Vidi, Vici Adr.: Sporveisgata 8 B Leil.304, 0354 Oslo Phone: +47 411 21 883 e-mail: balubathebr...@gmail.com Skype: BalubaTheBrave MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/blacksilence_no Twitter: http://twitter.com/balubathebrave Blog: http://balubathebrave.blogspot.com/ Chris Blouch skrev: > I know a lot of folks on this list use Skype so in case you hadn't > already read this elsewhere there is a legal battle between Skype owner > eBay and the original developers of Skype over licensing. eBay says it > might have to pull the plug on Skype if it can't get this resolved. > > http://www.theage.com.au/technology/biz-tech/shock-threat-to-shut-skype-20090731-e3qe.html > > CB > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
I get an "internal server error," with that site. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: braille tables
further tables have to be created. In the braille settings you can uncheck the box that says use contracted braile On 31 Jul 2009, at 16:41, Tony Bernedal wrote: > > Hi all. > Does anyone here know if there is a swedish braille table available > somewhere? And can I disable contracted braille forever? I don't like > that I have to switch it off all times I start vo. I don't understand > u s contracted braille very good. > All the best. > Tony. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
Hey, The FMODEx Sound System has already been ported to the iPhone. Check the site: fmod.org. I haven't looked at the port myself as I don't have an iPhone. I've latent interests in coding and the iPhone app store looks like a real easy way to make a little money from even a slightly innovative idea. My previous message establishes me as a gamer, and I do think touch has interesting implications. I'm intrigued. (on a technical note: I hope there's a programatic way to disable voiceover) James On 7/31/09, Mark Baxter wrote: > > I get an "internal server error," with that site. > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
Why would you want to disable VO? Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: braille tables
Hello Tony, Unfortunately, there is a bug in Leopard that prevents uncontracted Braille remaining set. I have configured a Router Key on my PAC Mate 20 to turn contracted Braille off. As for Swedish Braille tables, we haven't done them yet, but if you would care to send us the code, we'll make one for you as soon as we can. We've already made French and Norwegian, and Danish is in the pipeline. I can't give you a time line, but we'll do what we can. Please send the codes, preferably 8-point dot patterns with their corresponding print symbols and Unicode codes, to: Cheers, Anne On Jul 31, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Tony Bernedal wrote: > > Hi all. > Does anyone here know if there is a swedish braille table available > somewhere? And can I disable contracted braille forever? I don't like > that I have to switch it off all times I start vo. I don't understand > u s contracted braille very good. > All the best. > Tony. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: braille tables
Hi Anne. The only table I have by hand right now is the one thats in jaws for windows. Can you use that one or do you need something else. All the best Tony 2009/7/31, Anne Robertson : > > Hello Tony, > > Unfortunately, there is a bug in Leopard that prevents uncontracted > Braille remaining set. I have configured a Router Key on my PAC Mate > 20 to turn contracted Braille off. > > As for Swedish Braille tables, we haven't done them yet, but if you > would care to send us the code, we'll make one for you as soon as we > can. We've already made French and Norwegian, and Danish is in the > pipeline. I can't give you a time line, but we'll do what we can. > > Please send the codes, preferably 8-point dot patterns with their > corresponding print symbols and Unicode codes, to: > > > Cheers, > > Anne > > On Jul 31, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Tony Bernedal wrote: > >> >> Hi all. >> Does anyone here know if there is a swedish braille table available >> somewhere? And can I disable contracted braille forever? I don't like >> that I have to switch it off all times I start vo. I don't understand >> u s contracted braille very good. >> All the best. >> Tony. >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
Which site? On Jul 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > > I get an "internal server error," with that site. > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: braille tables
Hello Tony, We can get started with the table from JAWS for Windows, but we like to have the official Braille code complete with symbols such as can be found in training manuals. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
The site is http://www.fmod.org. If I was programming an interactive game it would probably speak for itself. I'd want to create my own gestures, and from what I understand VO uses it's own special gestures. On the Mac VO uses special keys, leaving the rest of the keyboard undisturbed and willing to interact normally with the rest of the OS (though this will apparently change with Snow Leopard... grumble). Anyway I just want to get raw input. James On 7/31/09, Chris Hofstader wrote: > > Which site? > On Jul 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > >> >> I get an "internal server error," with that site. >> >> >> Mark BurningHawk >> >> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> My home page: >> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: braille tables
Hi Anne. I can se what I can get together when I'm back from holliday. We have some documentation at work. We have made swedish braille tables for Baum and there products so I guess I can find something. All the best Tony 2009/7/31, Anne Robertson : > > Hello Tony, > > We can get started with the table from JAWS for Windows, but we like > to have the official Braille code complete with symbols such as can be > found in training manuals. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: something is a miss here.
Jon that may be true, but a few things to keep in mind. First it may not even be an Apple drive, it could be your external drive or even a Time Capsule drive. Additionally the utility can keep a file system in good order, so it does more than just recover the data and truthfully I try to hang onto machines that are beyond their warranty. I understand what your saying, but having the tools available to take care of any drive may be really a good idea. I've had drives I sure wish I had a utility like this to recover data from. :) On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > I had to run Disk Warrior once on my childrens's e-mac computer. The > disk had enough errors that it took 3-4 days to recover data. There > were 100's of files (mostly system files) that it could not recover, > but I was able to reteive most of their documents. I then did a full > format and restored the system. If your computer is under > maintencnace and has not suffered from abuse, I would just let the > apple store give you a new hard disk. They can charge a small fee to > store all the information on the HD and migrate it to the new disk. > > Best regards, > > Jon > > On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> I imagine Apple will charge the same as the vendor online, $99.95. >> Ironically, I found a message someone had sent to another list about >> this product and it apparently is the real deal. So, I'm giving some >> thought to purchasing it myself. I've been very lucky in that I have >> not lost any drives and I do have backups, but there is always that >> one chance and with a kid, well, hell, anything is possible. >> On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:05 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> Before you or anyone else does anything, make sure that you've >>> cloaned >>> your drive. Software wise, hsf is some what of a nightmair to >>> recover >>> files from so before any data recovery apps try and mess with >>> anything, its important that you have an at least partially working >>> copy of your hard drive stored somewhere. >>> >>> On 30/07/2009, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi, thanks for all this. Smart status does in deed say varified. Do you remember off hand how much the apple store might charge me for disc warrier? I'm looking it up on the apple store online now, but if it's not expensive, say, under the $100 mark, I might just buy it from the apple store and let the geneus handle it. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 30-Jul-09, at 5:33 PM, Esther wrote: > > Hi Erik, > > One quick question: when you run Disk Utility what reading do you > get > when you select the hard drive above "Macintosh HD" on the > sidebar? > That is, when you VO-Up arrow to something that says (for example, > 232.9 GB Fujitsu etc.) Use item chooser menu to go to "selected > disk > image" and then VO-Right arrow and interact with the part that > begins > "Disk Description". There should be an announcement of > "S.M.A.R.T. > Status:" Does it say "verified" after that announcement? > > You can sometimes recover from this with Alsoft's "Disk Warrior" > but > there are accessibility issues running from the DVD, I think. If > it's > on a cloned disk you can run it on your home disk drive through > the > clone. If you have a local Apple Store nearby, they can probably > run > this as a diagnostic on your hard drive. They might be willing to > go > ahead and run it on your hard drive if you bought a copy of the > software from the store (though it's slightly cheaper from the web > download.) And you should probably have a new hard drive to copy > to > before things get seriously worse and unrecoverable. Disk Warrior > does > work to recover in instances such as you describe, although given > the > circumstances I would ask at my local Apple Store and try to have > them > run this. I'm sure that every Genius bar has a copy of this. > They > can run the diagnosis for you even if they won't run the recovery. > You should know that there is a possibility of introducing > problems in > doing the recover mode, but in most instances it just works, and > the > problems are minimal. In that case, if your disk has really gone > south the amount of work you'd have to do to get the problem areas > fully recovered without these glitches is quite major, and > probably > beyond your scope. Disk Warrior does work very well, although I > haven't had to use it for quite a while -- since first upgrading > to > Leopard. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > erik burggraaf wrote: > >> >> Hi friends. I
Re: My trip to see an iPhone with no success
Hi Christian, I'm so sorry! this happened to me the first couple of times I tried to see an Iphone, too. I remember how disappointed I was. I hope you get to see one soon. Best, Donna On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Christian wrote: > > Hi all! > OK, so today it was time for me to see and try the new iPhone. > I don't usually like these bigger stores due to their often lack of > service I have experienced so I usually prefer some smaller stores > where I have some contacts. > Anyway, I went to the big shopping center here. When I visited one > store a few days ago they toldme that they will have a demo unit to > try today. But they did not! They had already sold it and they told > me to sign up on a waiting list. > OK, I went on to the next store. They had a unit, but they didn't > want to open the box! Only if I would purchase it they would other > wise not. So no demo unit there either. > Oh well, I went on to the third one. Bingo! They had a unit but I > did not remember the whole manual and when I got help from a friend > of mine to turn VoiceOver on, the phone asked me if I want to change > the default gester. I answered ok but then it was silent. I did not > remember how to fix this so I asked a representative in the store if > I could sit down and try it for some time maybe a ew hours and if i > like it eventually buy it tomorrow. But they did not want me to do > that! They explained that we have this demo unit and we can not let > you try it that way. > So I told them ok you have lost a customer. > So now i am back home without having seen it that much! > Going to contact my store where i usually get help and service! > What do you think? > Best regards, > Christian > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
My apologies for the cross posting and somewhat off topic nature of the post. However, I think this article really speaks volumes as to why Apple and Microsoft are going in opposite directions. The perspective of Ballmer has been MS's biggest problem for years now, and this speech typifies why MS's stock and market share has taken heavy hits in recent months. Make no mistakes, folks. It isn't a give and take deal. Microsoft has been losing market share and stock value consistently for five years now. This is the guy who went on CNN and laughed at the iPhone when it was first released claiming, "No one will buy a $400 cell phone." He hasn't gotten it and Still doesn't get it. Take Care John Panarese Begin forwarded message: > Date: July 31, 2009 9:45:00 AM EDT > Subject: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error" > Source: AppleInsider > > Speaking to a group of market analysts this week, Microsoft Chief > Executive Steve Ballmer repeatedly mentioned Apple, including a > suggestion that a growing rate of Mac adoption is statistically > insignificant. > Read more… > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
artiles posted to this list
Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me why any some one posts an article to the list you always have to go the ws and dig it out of all the clutter. Why couldn't folks just copy the article to the clipboard and paste it into the message so that we don't have to spend time trying to find it? Thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
To be honest, I agree with some of the points in this artical, Apples hardware is rediculessly pricey. The only time that I have supported apple in a hardware fassion is buying an ipod but I can't say that I ever intend to purchase one of there computers from them - all the macs I have were either given to me or were bought from ebay. I just don't see why on earth I should have to shell out a stupid amount of money to buy a mac pro when I can build one my self for much cheaper and with my choice of case and components. Having said this, I think there doing some ok things with software, so I've bought things like Ilife and Iwork and will buy logic at some point in the future. On 31/07/2009, John Panarese wrote: > My apologies for the cross posting and somewhat off topic nature > of the post. However, I think this article really speaks volumes as > to why Apple and Microsoft are going in opposite directions. The > perspective of Ballmer has been MS's biggest problem for years now, > and this speech typifies why MS's stock and market share has taken > heavy hits in recent months. Make no mistakes, folks. It isn't a give > and take deal. Microsoft has been losing market share and stock value > consistently for five years now. This is the guy who went on CNN and > laughed at the iPhone when it was first released claiming, "No one > will buy a $400 cell phone." He hasn't gotten it and Still doesn't > get it. > > > Take Care > > John Panarese > > Begin forwarded message: > >> Date: July 31, 2009 9:45:00 AM EDT >> Subject: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error" >> Source: AppleInsider >> >> Speaking to a group of market analysts this week, Microsoft Chief >> Executive Steve Ballmer repeatedly mentioned Apple, including a >> suggestion that a growing rate of Mac adoption is statistically >> insignificant. >> Read more… >> > > > > > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
Hi, There is most certainly a UNIX like driver for the touch screen operations. If you really feel like getting silicon under your fingernails, you can probably hack that part of the system to do what you want. This action, however, is way outside of Apple coding guidelines and may even invalidate the warranty as you would be changing, in a fairly direct sense, how the hardware functions. This is how most Windows screen readers work at least in some areas which inserts that constant level of potential instability as such actions might behave inconsistently because you are not supposed to be wrapping drivers and since the driver doesn't know you (it can't) you may run into some operational collisions. Happy Hacking, cdh On Jul 31, 2009, at 1:09 PM, James Dietvz wrote: > > The site is http://www.fmod.org. > > If I was programming an interactive game it would probably speak for > itself. I'd want to create my own gestures, and from what I understand > VO uses it's own special gestures. On the Mac VO uses special keys, > leaving the rest of the keyboard undisturbed and willing to interact > normally with the rest of the OS (though this will apparently change > with Snow Leopard... grumble). Anyway I just want to get raw input. > > > James > > On 7/31/09, Chris Hofstader wrote: >> >> Which site? >> On Jul 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: >> >>> >>> I get an "internal server error," with that site. >>> >>> >>> Mark BurningHawk >>> >>> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>> MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >>> My home page: >>> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re[2]: My trip to see an iPhone with no success
Hi Donna and all, Yes, it's very frustrating especially when one of the stores told me that they will have a demo unit available a few days ago. But anyway, i at least heared the swedish voice and it sounded good. for about five seconds. Best regards, Christian On 2009-07-30 at 14:20 Donna Goodin wrote: >Hi Christian, > >I'm so sorry! this happened to me the first couple of times I tried >to see an Iphone, too. I remember how disappointed I was. I hope you >get to see one soon. >Best, >Donna > > >On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Christian wrote: > >> >> Hi all! >> OK, so today it was time for me to see and try the new iPhone. >> I don't usually like these bigger stores due to their often lack of >> service I have experienced so I usually prefer some smaller stores >> where I have some contacts. >> Anyway, I went to the big shopping center here. When I visited one >> store a few days ago they toldme that they will have a demo unit to >> try today. But they did not! They had already sold it and they told >> me to sign up on a waiting list. >> OK, I went on to the next store. They had a unit, but they didn't >> want to open the box! Only if I would purchase it they would other >> wise not. So no demo unit there either. >> Oh well, I went on to the third one. Bingo! They had a unit but I >> did not remember the whole manual and when I got help from a friend >> of mine to turn VoiceOver on, the phone asked me if I want to change >> the default gester. I answered ok but then it was silent. I did not >> remember how to fix this so I asked a representative in the store if >> I could sit down and try it for some time maybe a ew hours and if i >> like it eventually buy it tomorrow. But they did not want me to do >> that! They explained that we have this demo unit and we can not let >> you try it that way. >> So I told them ok you have lost a customer. >> So now i am back home without having seen it that much! >> Going to contact my store where i usually get help and service! >> What do you think? >> Best regards, >> Christian >> >> >> > >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Another question about iphone
Hi, the maps application that is on the phone, is that accessible with VoiceOver? I suppose it is. many thanks, Christian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another question about iphone
yes Christian, it is. :) On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Christian wrote: > > Hi, > the maps application that is on the phone, is that accessible with > VoiceOver? > I suppose it is. > many thanks, > Christian > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re[2]: Another question about iphone
Hi, OK, that's great. How much information can you get from it? Is it possible to tell where you are? On 2009-07-31 at 22:36 Marie Howarth wrote: >yes Christian, it is. :) > >On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Christian wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> the maps application that is on the phone, is that accessible with >> VoiceOver? >> I suppose it is. >> many thanks, >> Christian >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
That is, of course, a matter of personal opinion. You get what you pay for, as my dad often says. Buy junk, get junk. And, of course, pricy as it might be, it does not change the fact that people are buying it at a rate that should actually alarm Microsoft share holders. Numbers speak for themselves. Ballmer's problem is he even contradicts himself in his own speech. Personally, I'd rather spend the money on a Mac and know I'm getting Apple quality than buy a PC clone half the price that has inferior hardware and, of course, is also running Windows. Again, though, that comes down to choice. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 31, 2009, at 5:25 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > To be honest, I agree with some of the points in this artical, Apples > hardware is rediculessly pricey. The only time that I have supported > apple in a hardware fassion is buying an ipod but I can't say that I > ever intend to purchase one of there computers from them - all the > macs I have were either given to me or were bought from ebay. > I just don't see why on earth I should have to shell out a stupid > amount of money to buy a mac pro when I can build one my self for much > cheaper and with my choice of case and components. > > Having said this, I think there doing some ok things with software, so > I've bought things like Ilife and Iwork and will buy logic at some > point in the future. > > On 31/07/2009, John Panarese wrote: >> My apologies for the cross posting and somewhat off topic nature >> of the post. However, I think this article really speaks volumes as >> to why Apple and Microsoft are going in opposite directions. The >> perspective of Ballmer has been MS's biggest problem for years now, >> and this speech typifies why MS's stock and market share has taken >> heavy hits in recent months. Make no mistakes, folks. It isn't a >> give >> and take deal. Microsoft has been losing market share and stock >> value >> consistently for five years now. This is the guy who went on CNN and >> laughed at the iPhone when it was first released claiming, "No one >> will buy a $400 cell phone." He hasn't gotten it and Still doesn't >> get it. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> Date: July 31, 2009 9:45:00 AM EDT >>> Subject: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error" >>> Source: AppleInsider >>> >>> Speaking to a group of market analysts this week, Microsoft Chief >>> Executive Steve Ballmer repeatedly mentioned Apple, including a >>> suggestion that a growing rate of Mac adoption is statistically >>> insignificant. >>> Read more… >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My trip to see an iPhone with no success
Hi there, Sound very fussy people and not that up on disabilities especially those with a visual impairment. I hope it wasn't all O2 stores!! Best wishes, Vicki.On 31 Jul 2009, at 15:40, Christian wrote: > > Hi all! > OK, so today it was time for me to see and try the new iPhone. > I don't usually like these bigger stores due to their often lack of > service I have experienced so I usually prefer some smaller stores > where I have some contacts. > Anyway, I went to the big shopping center here. When I visited one > store a few days ago they toldme that they will have a demo unit to > try today. But they did not! They had already sold it and they told > me to sign up on a waiting list. > OK, I went on to the next store. They had a unit, but they didn't > want to open the box! Only if I would purchase it they would other > wise not. So no demo unit there either. > Oh well, I went on to the third one. Bingo! They had a unit but I > did not remember the whole manual and when I got help from a friend > of mine to turn VoiceOver on, the phone asked me if I want to change > the default gester. I answered ok but then it was silent. I did not > remember how to fix this so I asked a representative in the store if > I could sit down and try it for some time maybe a ew hours and if i > like it eventually buy it tomorrow. But they did not want me to do > that! They explained that we have this demo unit and we can not let > you try it that way. > So I told them ok you have lost a customer. > So now i am back home without having seen it that much! > Going to contact my store where i usually get help and service! > What do you think? > Best regards, > Christian > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
> Hi Ben, You wrote: > To be honest, I agree with some of the points in this artical, Apples > hardware is rediculessly pricey. The only time that I have supported > apple in a hardware fassion is buying an ipod but I can't say that I > ever intend to purchase one of there computers from them - all the > macs I have were either given to me or were bought from ebay. > I just don't see why on earth I should have to shell out a stupid > amount of money to buy a mac pro when I can build one my self for much > cheaper and with my choice of case and components. > TK: I think that you neglected to put in the price of a Screenreader into your estimates. Once you factor in the Screenreader and the built-in software and the high-end parts, things aren't a lot different pricewise. Sure you can build a computer cheaper with cheaper parts but will everything be totally compatible and will it pass the tests of time. I can build a house with economy grade lumber too but I guarantee that things will begin to degrade much quicker than if I use contractor grade material. Also, have you ever actually dealt with the MacPro from a standpoint of accessing its insides? They are simply an amazing machine with respect to expandibility, reliability and physical accessibility. Yes, they are pricy, but so is a Mercedes. Ben also wrote: Having said this, I think there doing some ok things with software, so > > I've bought things like Ilife and Iwork and will buy logic at some > point in the future. > TK: Apple's commitment to making software accessible is impressive. When VO first came out 4 years ago, there were huge problems with iTunes, iWork and other Apple software and many of these packages have been made very accessible since then. They've come a long way in a short time. Just my personal opinion of course. Later... Tim Kilburn & Carter the Canine Fort McMurray, AB Canada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A question about iPhone
Just a super quickie correction here; in that one can actually have wifi on while the IPhone is in Airplane mode. In settings wifi is located right after airplane mode, so it's easy to turn one off while enabling the other… HTH and have a terrific day / weekend!… Smiles, CQ :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Jul 30, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Turning the iPhone to Aircraft mode will turn off all wireless activity including the phone. If you want Blue Tooth, WiFi or 3G, though, I think the phone needs to be on as well. On Jul 30, 2009, at 12:37 PM, william lomas wrote: > > i think the phone and PDA functions are all as one but I could be > wrong > WIll > > On 30 Jul 2009, at 17:02, Christian wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> i have just subscribed to this list and maybe this has already been >> asked but i just want to know. >> Tomorrow I am going to have a look at the iPhone. I have been using >> a Windows mobile phone for some time now and have a few questions. >> Is it possible to use the phones features without turning the actual >> phone on like the calendar and so on? >> Also, in the voicememo, is it possible to change recording format? >> Many thanks, >> Christian >> >> >>> > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Copying from an email
Hello, I need to find out how to copy just one thing from an email. I have and email with a phone number in it that I would like to copy. How do you select and copy from an email? ∂Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copying from an email
Place your cursor before what you wish to copy. Press VO Enter to turn on highlighting. Move your cursor to the end where you want to stop copying, then press VO Enter again to turn off selecting. Press command C, and you're good to go. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: artiles posted to this list
I'll tell you why, it is not really appropriate to quote an entire article in such a fashion in some cases you may be violating the terms and conditions of the hosting site. Just click on the URL if your that interested and read the article. WHile your at it, look at the terms and conditions and you may very well find a statement that says the article may not be retransmitted without the express permission of the author or something close to that. On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Gene Richburg wrote: > Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me why any some one posts an > article to the list you always have to go the ws and dig it out of > all the clutter. Why couldn't folks just copy the article to the > clipboard and paste it into the message so that we don't have to > spend time trying to find it? > Thanks > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copying from an email
you need to use vo--enter to use select mode. find the information you need to copy and then hit vo--enter and move the vo curser with vo-- right/left arrow until you've selected the information you need and then hit vo--enter again which will take you from select mode and hit command--c to copy. then paste where ever you need. hth On Jul 31, 2009, at 11:43 PM, Mac Cougar wrote: > > Hello, > > I need to find out how to copy just one thing from an email. I have > and email with a phone number in it that I would like to copy. How do > you select and copy from an email? > > ∂Thanks > Steve > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs
Hi Chris and all; the API used on both the Mac and IPhone is OpenAL, which is (as you may know) an open-source cross-platform 3D audio API. It's actually only one of the ApIs built in to Leopard by default. The IPHone however, relies on OpenAL exclusively for it's 3D audio. HTH and thanks so much for all of the great material!… Smiles, CQ :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:59 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: The most "accurate" spatial audio information uses a technique called Head Relative Transform Functions (HRTF) which simulates relatively precise tonal qualities of sounds that one perceives from a specific direction. Some of the research into what became these functions had humans sitting with dozens of very tiny microphones set up in an array in their ears. there was more than enough similarity for the physicists to resolve the raw data into a number of mathematical equations and the output of said functions is amazing. the problem with HRTF is that it is very compute intensive. Of course, when I first started diddling about with it, I was on what is now a six year old Dell desktop. A dual core, 64 bit laptop should be able to handle these equations in real time much more easily. Microsoft has for a number of years now included HRtF in DirectSound (the audio component of Drect X) and my experiments with them showed very promising results. I don't know the Macintosh API too well so I don't know if they have something similar, identical or not. The Microsoft documentation does warn about relying too much on these functions as they can bog down the processor and cause other threads to behave kind of badly (again, all of the faster new computers should be able to calculate these sounds in real time. I've loads of ideas for a combination of really accurate sound combined with a haptic interface using the Falcon to simulate a whole lot of 3 dimensional real world objects. cdh On Jul 30, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > I've heard there is a lot more to spacial placement than just > fiddling with the pan to adjust volume levels. At least this seems > obvious to me when a little pan to the left makes the sound fly way > off to the left of the sound field. Probably a lot more going on in > the ear that isn't fooled by that trick. So, that said, do you have > any idea if the VoiceOver positional audio is doing real sound field > magic or is it just a subtle pan? > > One underrated feature on the new iPhone is the compass. With this > an application can not only know where you are but also which way > you (or at least your phone) is pointed. This makes possible real > walking directions from where you're at using left and right rather > than assuming the user has their cardinal orientation correct. Even > feedback to say what is in front of you in the direction you are > pointing. Should be good things coming. > > CB > > Chris Hofstader wrote: >> >> Including the two textbook chapters (one entirely on games and >> another >> with a portion on audio games), a couple of peer reviewed articles on >> the matter, a pile of blog articles >> (http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com >> ) and the odd item here and there, I have studied a handful of audio >> games in depth, fooled around with a few others and talked to a lot >> of >> their authors but the breadth of my knowledge is far more narrow than >> a dozen hardcore gamers I know and rely on for brief descriptions for >> new entries so I can quickly ascertain how they may move the science >> in a new and/or different and interesting direction. >> >> As I said this morning, I am far too boring to actually build a real >> game and, when you scratch beyond the surface, you will find that >> first and for mostly, I think about putting technology in the hands >> of >> blinks that will provide them with the tools they may choose to >> employ >> in a job or school situation. >> >> >> If you are interested in mixing sound and tactile feedback, get a >> look >> at a Falcon 3D tactile controller. I think they have an SDK for Mac >> and they do .5 mm tactile resolution (most humans can feel no better >> than .1 mm) so you can do extraordinary things with this device and >> they only cost about $ 100 (really). >> >> I like the idea of using the iPhone for orientation and to provide >> information about one's surroundings. I'm not especially impressed >> by >> the iPhone's Maps application but its location services are pretty >> excellent. I thought of this while walking through Harvard Yard >> after >> lunch today and wondered how a student new to the university would >> find the library as opposed to the historical center next door as >> none >> of these buildings have traditional street addresses and are arrived >> at by foot paths. Your
Re: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
And of course your entitled to your opinion, but there are a few points you aren't considering. TO purchase a machine of the same quality will cost you considerably more than you may have considered. Apple does not cut corners on their hardware, they choose components, which will deliver the best performance possible even if it costs more. I imagine the cost of software such as the os is included to some degree as well. Lets toss in R&D for the many innovations Apple has introduced and will introduce to the market. YOu can bet there is always something being worked on or being taken from an idea to a concept. All that does cost money and consider the number of PC manufacturers out number Apple, so they will have to charge more I imagine do to the shear volume of PCs on the market as compared to Macintosh machines. So, I understand your point, but you should consider why their products may be more expensive based on various factors. On Jul 31, 2009, at 5:25 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > To be honest, I agree with some of the points in this artical, Apples > hardware is rediculessly pricey. The only time that I have supported > apple in a hardware fassion is buying an ipod but I can't say that I > ever intend to purchase one of there computers from them - all the > macs I have were either given to me or were bought from ebay. > I just don't see why on earth I should have to shell out a stupid > amount of money to buy a mac pro when I can build one my self for much > cheaper and with my choice of case and components. > > Having said this, I think there doing some ok things with software, so > I've bought things like Ilife and Iwork and will buy logic at some > point in the future. > > On 31/07/2009, John Panarese wrote: >> My apologies for the cross posting and somewhat off topic nature >> of the post. However, I think this article really speaks volumes as >> to why Apple and Microsoft are going in opposite directions. The >> perspective of Ballmer has been MS's biggest problem for years now, >> and this speech typifies why MS's stock and market share has taken >> heavy hits in recent months. Make no mistakes, folks. It isn't a >> give >> and take deal. Microsoft has been losing market share and stock >> value >> consistently for five years now. This is the guy who went on CNN and >> laughed at the iPhone when it was first released claiming, "No one >> will buy a $400 cell phone." He hasn't gotten it and Still doesn't >> get it. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> Date: July 31, 2009 9:45:00 AM EDT >>> Subject: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error" >>> Source: AppleInsider >>> >>> Speaking to a group of market analysts this week, Microsoft Chief >>> Executive Steve Ballmer repeatedly mentioned Apple, including a >>> suggestion that a growing rate of Mac adoption is statistically >>> insignificant. >>> Read more… >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
Oh and one other point I can't possibly let slide by. You mention the cost of a Mac Pro,. Do you realize that most consumers can't purchase that much horsepower in a PC and not to mention from a local store such as an APple store? I honestly can't think of any Quad-core PCs on the market, but then most people wouldn't be buying that much horsepower in any rate. :) On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> Hi Ben, > > You wrote: >> To be honest, I agree with some of the points in this artical, Apples >> hardware is rediculessly pricey. The only time that I have supported >> apple in a hardware fassion is buying an ipod but I can't say that I >> ever intend to purchase one of there computers from them - all the >> macs I have were either given to me or were bought from ebay. >> I just don't see why on earth I should have to shell out a stupid >> amount of money to buy a mac pro when I can build one my self for >> much >> cheaper and with my choice of case and components. >> > TK: I think that you neglected to put in the price of a > Screenreader into your estimates. Once you factor in the > Screenreader and the built-in software and the high-end parts, > things aren't a lot different pricewise. Sure you can build a > computer cheaper with cheaper parts but will everything be totally > compatible and will it pass the tests of time. I can build a house > with economy grade lumber too but I guarantee that things will begin > to degrade much quicker than if I use contractor grade material. > Also, have you ever actually dealt with the MacPro from a standpoint > of accessing its insides? They are simply an amazing machine with > respect to expandibility, reliability and physical accessibility. > Yes, they are pricy, but so is a Mercedes. > > Ben also wrote: Having said this, I think there doing some ok > things with software, so >> >> I've bought things like Ilife and Iwork and will buy logic at some >> point in the future. >> > TK: Apple's commitment to making software accessible is > impressive. When VO first came out 4 years ago, there were huge > problems with iTunes, iWork and other Apple software and many of > these packages have been made very accessible since then. They've > come a long way in a short time. > > Just my personal opinion of course. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > & Carter the Canine > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
In addition to this, I believe that I also read somewhere that if you actually compared Apple and PC higher end systems, such as Dells, the Mac Pro is actually more affordable. If I can dredge up the article, I'll post the link, but the author did this with three different Dell and Mac Pro configurations. Shortly after reading that article, I spent an evening with my brother and a friend pricing out systems on the Apple website and comparing prices, and we also found the Mac Pro to be less expensive when all was said in done, especially if you include the software that comes on Macs. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > And of course your entitled to your opinion, but there are a few > points you aren't considering. TO purchase a machine of the same > quality will cost you considerably more than you may have considered. > Apple does not cut corners on their hardware, they choose components, > which will deliver the best performance possible even if it costs > more. I imagine the cost of software such as the os is included to > some degree as well. Lets toss in R&D for the many innovations Apple > has introduced and will introduce to the market. YOu can bet there is > always something being worked on or being taken from an idea to a > concept. All that does cost money and consider the number of PC > manufacturers out number Apple, so they will have to charge more I > imagine do to the shear volume of PCs on the market as compared to > Macintosh machines. So, I understand your point, but you should > consider why their products may be more expensive based on various > factors. > On Jul 31, 2009, at 5:25 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> To be honest, I agree with some of the points in this artical, Apples >> hardware is rediculessly pricey. The only time that I have supported >> apple in a hardware fassion is buying an ipod but I can't say that I >> ever intend to purchase one of there computers from them - all the >> macs I have were either given to me or were bought from ebay. >> I just don't see why on earth I should have to shell out a stupid >> amount of money to buy a mac pro when I can build one my self for >> much >> cheaper and with my choice of case and components. >> >> Having said this, I think there doing some ok things with software, >> so >> I've bought things like Ilife and Iwork and will buy logic at some >> point in the future. >> >> On 31/07/2009, John Panarese wrote: >>> My apologies for the cross posting and somewhat off topic nature >>> of the post. However, I think this article really speaks volumes as >>> to why Apple and Microsoft are going in opposite directions. The >>> perspective of Ballmer has been MS's biggest problem for years now, >>> and this speech typifies why MS's stock and market share has taken >>> heavy hits in recent months. Make no mistakes, folks. It isn't a >>> give >>> and take deal. Microsoft has been losing market share and stock >>> value >>> consistently for five years now. This is the guy who went on CNN >>> and >>> laughed at the iPhone when it was first released claiming, "No one >>> will buy a $400 cell phone." He hasn't gotten it and Still doesn't >>> get it. >>> >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John Panarese >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> Date: July 31, 2009 9:45:00 AM EDT Subject: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error" Source: AppleInsider Speaking to a group of market analysts this week, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer repeatedly mentioned Apple, including a suggestion that a growing rate of Mac adoption is statistically insignificant. Read more… >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, BEN. >> >> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
lol, true my mbp 2.5 core 2 with 4 gb of ram. dell wants $2100 for the same specs in a xpsm1330 then a screen reader on top of that would be another 8 to 1000, around 3 grand. 1399 for a mbp, its got me everytime On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:05 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >In addition to this, I believe that I also read somewhere that if > you actually compared Apple and PC higher end systems, such as Dells, > the Mac Pro is actually more affordable. If I can dredge up the > article, I'll post the link, but the author did this with three > different Dell and Mac Pro configurations. Shortly after reading that > article, I spent an evening with my brother and a friend pricing out > systems on the Apple website and comparing prices, and we also found > the Mac Pro to be less expensive when all was said in done, especially > if you include the software that comes on Macs. > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Managing Director > Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. > 9 Nolan Court > Hauppauge, NY 11788 > Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 > Email, t...@optonline.net > Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com > > AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, > PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, > DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY > IMPAIRED > > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> And of course your entitled to your opinion, but there are a few >> points you aren't considering. TO purchase a machine of the same >> quality will cost you considerably more than you may have considered. >> Apple does not cut corners on their hardware, they choose components, >> which will deliver the best performance possible even if it costs >> more. I imagine the cost of software such as the os is included to >> some degree as well. Lets toss in R&D for the many innovations Apple >> has introduced and will introduce to the market. YOu can bet there >> is >> always something being worked on or being taken from an idea to a >> concept. All that does cost money and consider the number of PC >> manufacturers out number Apple, so they will have to charge more I >> imagine do to the shear volume of PCs on the market as compared to >> Macintosh machines. So, I understand your point, but you should >> consider why their products may be more expensive based on various >> factors. >> On Jul 31, 2009, at 5:25 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> To be honest, I agree with some of the points in this artical, >>> Apples >>> hardware is rediculessly pricey. The only time that I have supported >>> apple in a hardware fassion is buying an ipod but I can't say that I >>> ever intend to purchase one of there computers from them - all the >>> macs I have were either given to me or were bought from ebay. >>> I just don't see why on earth I should have to shell out a stupid >>> amount of money to buy a mac pro when I can build one my self for >>> much >>> cheaper and with my choice of case and components. >>> >>> Having said this, I think there doing some ok things with software, >>> so >>> I've bought things like Ilife and Iwork and will buy logic at some >>> point in the future. >>> >>> On 31/07/2009, John Panarese wrote: My apologies for the cross posting and somewhat off topic nature of the post. However, I think this article really speaks volumes as to why Apple and Microsoft are going in opposite directions. The perspective of Ballmer has been MS's biggest problem for years now, and this speech typifies why MS's stock and market share has taken heavy hits in recent months. Make no mistakes, folks. It isn't a give and take deal. Microsoft has been losing market share and stock value consistently for five years now. This is the guy who went on CNN and laughed at the iPhone when it was first released claiming, "No one will buy a $400 cell phone." He hasn't gotten it and Still doesn't get it. Take Care John Panarese Begin forwarded message: > Date: July 31, 2009 9:45:00 AM EDT > Subject: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error" > Source: AppleInsider > > Speaking to a group of market analysts this week, Microsoft Chief > Executive Steve Ballmer repeatedly mentioned Apple, including a > suggestion that a growing rate of Mac adoption is statistically > insignificant. > Read more… > > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind regards, BEN. >>> >>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to mac
Re: Copying from an email
Thank you. That was what I needed. Steve On Jul 31, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Mark Baxter wrote: > > Place your cursor before what you wish to copy. Press VO Enter to > turn on highlighting. Move your cursor to the end where you want to > stop copying, then press VO Enter again to turn off selecting. Press > command C, and you're good to go. > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
Oh, yes, another myth. The laptop hunters ads are so full of mule muffins. Compare hardware and software, again. Yeah, you can buy a $500 Windows laptop, but you can buy a pair of clippers instead of a weed whacker too. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Chris Polk wrote: > > lol, true > my mbp 2.5 core 2 with 4 gb of ram. > dell wants $2100 for the same specs in a xpsm1330 > > then a screen reader on top of that would be another 8 to 1000, around > 3 grand. > 1399 for a mbp, its got me everytime > > On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:05 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> >> In addition to this, I believe that I also read somewhere that if >> you actually compared Apple and PC higher end systems, such as Dells, >> the Mac Pro is actually more affordable. If I can dredge up the >> article, I'll post the link, but the author did this with three >> different Dell and Mac Pro configurations. Shortly after reading >> that >> article, I spent an evening with my brother and a friend pricing out >> systems on the Apple website and comparing prices, and we also found >> the Mac Pro to be less expensive when all was said in done, >> especially >> if you include the software that comes on Macs. >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Managing Director >> Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. >> 9 Nolan Court >> Hauppauge, NY 11788 >> Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, t...@optonline.net >> Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com >> >> AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, >> PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, >> DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY >> IMPAIRED >> >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> And of course your entitled to your opinion, but there are a few >>> points you aren't considering. TO purchase a machine of the same >>> quality will cost you considerably more than you may have >>> considered. >>> Apple does not cut corners on their hardware, they choose >>> components, >>> which will deliver the best performance possible even if it costs >>> more. I imagine the cost of software such as the os is included to >>> some degree as well. Lets toss in R&D for the many innovations >>> Apple >>> has introduced and will introduce to the market. YOu can bet there >>> is >>> always something being worked on or being taken from an idea to a >>> concept. All that does cost money and consider the number of PC >>> manufacturers out number Apple, so they will have to charge more I >>> imagine do to the shear volume of PCs on the market as compared to >>> Macintosh machines. So, I understand your point, but you should >>> consider why their products may be more expensive based on various >>> factors. >>> On Jul 31, 2009, at 5:25 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>> To be honest, I agree with some of the points in this artical, Apples hardware is rediculessly pricey. The only time that I have supported apple in a hardware fassion is buying an ipod but I can't say that I ever intend to purchase one of there computers from them - all the macs I have were either given to me or were bought from ebay. I just don't see why on earth I should have to shell out a stupid amount of money to buy a mac pro when I can build one my self for much cheaper and with my choice of case and components. Having said this, I think there doing some ok things with software, so I've bought things like Ilife and Iwork and will buy logic at some point in the future. On 31/07/2009, John Panarese wrote: > My apologies for the cross posting and somewhat off topic nature > of the post. However, I think this article really speaks volumes > as > to why Apple and Microsoft are going in opposite directions. The > perspective of Ballmer has been MS's biggest problem for years > now, > and this speech typifies why MS's stock and market share has taken > heavy hits in recent months. Make no mistakes, folks. It isn't a > give > and take deal. Microsoft has been losing market share and stock > value > consistently for five years now. This is the guy who went on CNN > and > laughed at the iPhone when it was first released claiming, "No one > will buy a $400 cell phone." He hasn't gotten it and Still
Re: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
I defy anyone to purchase a comparable computer *WITH* screen-reader, to this MacBook Pro15 with 4G of RAM and a 2.4G processor. This thing is faster than *ANY* MS_based laptop I've ever seen for half again the price, and that's *WITHOUT* the screen-reader, which costs another computer's worth. The reason people call Mac an "error," is out of fear that it is, in fact, a superior product. I'm so glad I made the switch back. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Steve Ballmer calls Apple's Mac growth a "rounding error"
Hi, I don't usually reply just to say that I agree. In this case, however, I think what was stated in this message is absolutely true. Robert Carter On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Mark Baxter wrote: > > I defy anyone to purchase a comparable computer *WITH* screen-reader, > to this MacBook Pro15 with 4G of RAM and a 2.4G processor. This thing > is faster than *ANY* MS_based laptop I've ever seen for half again the > price, and that's *WITHOUT* the screen-reader, which costs another > computer's worth. The reason people call Mac an "error," is out of > fear that it is, in fact, a superior product. I'm so glad I made the > switch back. > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A question for you iphone users who also use windows mobile
Hi all, I am currently using Windows Mobile with MSP and was just wondering how you Windows Mobile users find the iphone with VoiceOver? Have you allmost replaced your old Windows mobile phone with this one? >From what I have read I think I would have done it myself, but since I have >not been able to fully tried it i am not sure. Was just curious! Many thanks, Christian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: A question for you iphone users who also use windows mobile
Hi Christian, I used MSP for two years before getting my Iphone. Since getting my IPhone, I haven't looked back. What I have said to people on the MSP list is think about what you want in a phone. If you want to work with Excel spreadsheets, and edit Word docs, the MSP phone is the better choice. If you want to text, check email, check weather, play music, and if you 'are comfortable with the touch interface, the iphone has a lot to offer. It will take some getting used to, but I wouldn't go back to my WM phone for anything in the world. Best, Donna -Original Message- From: Christian Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 9:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: A question for you iphone users who also use windows mobile Hi all, I am currently using Windows Mobile with MSP and was just wondering how you Windows Mobile users find the iphone with VoiceOver? Have you allmost replaced your old Windows mobile phone with this one? >From what I have read I think I would have done it myself, but since I have >not been able to fully tried it i am not sure. Was just curious! Many thanks, Christian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A question for you iphone users who also use windows mobile
Hello Christian and all: I am sitting next to a symbian 60 phone which functions plenty enough like a windows mobile phone. On the other side of me is an iphone. I only use the sym 60 phone when it rings ... LOL. Other than that the iphone pretty much has replaced it. On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Christian wrote: > > Hi all, > I am currently using Windows Mobile with MSP and was just wondering > how you Windows Mobile users find the iphone with VoiceOver? > Have you allmost replaced your old Windows mobile phone with this one? > From what I have read I think I would have done it myself, but since > I have not been able to fully tried it i am not sure. > Was just curious! > Many thanks, > Christian > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: A question for you iphone users who also use windows mobile
I'm slower with my IPhone than with my synbian s60 device N82). But I'm getting quicker the more I do with it. The best thing I find with the I phone is email from work, it's a lot more readable than from the s60 / mail for exchange From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Saturday, 1 August 2009 1:49 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A question for you iphone users who also use windows mobile Hello Christian and all: I am sitting next to a symbian 60 phone which functions plenty enough like a windows mobile phone. On the other side of me is an iphone. I only use the sym 60 phone when it rings ... LOL. Other than that the iphone pretty much has replaced it. On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Christian wrote: Hi all, I am currently using Windows Mobile with MSP and was just wondering how you Windows Mobile users find the iphone with VoiceOver? Have you allmost replaced your old Windows mobile phone with this one? >From what I have read I think I would have done it myself, but since I have not been able to fully tried it i am not sure. Was just curious! Many thanks, Christian Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
nano headphones
hi does anyone know what the model and make are, of the headphones that ship ith the nano are? the 4g nano i mean? i ant replacements like the ones that came with the nano itself when I bought it last year. Regards WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: nano headphones
If your headphones are less then one year old, take them to an Apple store and they should replace them. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2009, at 7:58 PM, william lomas wrote: > >hi does anyone know what the model and make are, of the > headphones > that ship ith the nano are? the 4g nano i mean? i ant replacements > like the ones that came with the nano itself when I bought it last > year. > Regards WIll > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
