off topic: the palm pre?
hi does anyone know if the palm pre has builtin speech support like the iphone 3gs? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: off topic: the palm pre?
No, it doesn't, but there is an SDK that may enable external developers to build one. Vic On 7/18/2009 12:01 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi does anyone know if the palm pre has builtin speech support like > the iphone 3gs? > WIll > > > > > -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: off topic: the palm pre?
Built in? Hell no. But for an additional fee you've got it. On Jul 18, 2009, at 1:01 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi does anyone know if the palm pre has builtin speech support like > the iphone 3gs? > WIll > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you > don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. > > CB > > william lomas wrote: >> you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around >> >> On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read >>> that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a >>> document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either >>> command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would >>> tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single >>> handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot >>> slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my >>> braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction/noob questions(longish)
Hello Anowk, Omnipage is virtually obsolete for the Mac. It hasn't been updated for around 8 years! Readiris does an excellent job. It handles page orientation and can automatically open the processed document in whatever text editor you like. I use VueScan with Readiris as VueScan produces better scans, but I have them set up so that VueScan launches Readiris which in turn launches TextEdit. You can find set-up guides and user guides for these on: and Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple plans to blick rival smart phones
It rarely is Josh. Than you for allowing this article to be posted. Take care James - Original Message - From: Josh de Lioncourt To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:23 AM Subject: Re: Apple plans to blick rival smart phones I don't want this to go too wildly off topic for this list, as it has nothing to do with accessibility, but I do think it is an interesting and somewhat important topic. I'll just note that what the article fails to consider is that, by allowing third-party devices to continue to sync via iTunes, Apple is opening itself up to a whole host of tech support query issues. Users will request help for syncing non-supported devices, in many cases lying about what device they are using to get tech support, and cost APple valuable time and resources on wild goose chases. Regardless of how anyone feels about other aspects, the decision is an understandable and logical one. I do understand the arguments against it as well, but the picture is not as black as Palm wants to portray it. Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 17, 2009, at 2:03 PM, James & Nash wrote: Hi everyone, From the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8155795.stm Take care james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhones
Alex, Yeah the 16 is all I need but hay when you can double your storage for 200 dollars, y buy the smaller sized one. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Jurgensen Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:56 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhones Hes, The 16 is all you need, as long as it is the 16 GB iPhone 3GS. Regards, Alex, On 17-Jul-09, at 3:29 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Thanks for that. > So if the 16gig version is that much cheaper not that I'm in the > USA to by > from at&t. > > The 16 would be all I neex to have full accessibility. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fonzie > Sent: Friday, 17 July 2009 12:44 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhones > > > Hello Simon, how are you doing? > > Yes, you are correct in your assumption. > > Both models, iPhone 3GS 16 GB, and iPhone 3GS 32 GB, contain VoiceOver > onboard. > > The prices are as follows. Keep in mind, I am listing the prices for > the AT&T versions of these phones. > > If you are wanting to upgrade to a new two year agreement the prices > are as follows. > iPhone3GS 16GB $199.99 > iPhone3GS 32GB $299.99 > > If AT&T allows you to do an early upgrade, in which that renews your > contract for two years within your current contract, the prices are as > follows. Keep in mind, not everyone is eligible for a contract > renewal. All it simply means is, that your currently under contract, > and if you are eligible, you can upgrade with the understanding that > you are extending your contract for another two years. Remember, you > must be under contract already, for this to happen. You usually have > to be under contract for about a year, and they will allow you to > upgrade early to a newer device. > > iPhone 3GS 16GB $399.99 > iPhone 3GS 32GB $499.99 > > If you feel like buying an iPHone straight, with no contract, and > under AT&T's retail price, the list is as follows. > iPhone 3GS 16GB $499.99 > iPhone 3GS 32GB $599.99 > > I hope this helps. > > Take care. > > Fonzie > > On Jul 16, 2009, at 5:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Morning folks, >> >> Am I orrect in thinking there is a 32 and a 16 gig IPhone 3gs? >> >> And if so, does the 16 gig version have the VO / accessibility >> onboard!? >> >> And what price are they going for In u s dollars if possible! >> >> Thanks >> >> simon >> >> >>> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
Hello Josh, Could you please explain a bit more about how exactly it is more powerful? Everytime I've used it Item Chooser seemed to be just a smart search that was clever enough to only show results which contained certain letters. Thanks James - Original Message - From: Josh de Lioncourt To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: searching for specefic text on a webpage VoiceOver has a function called "Item Chooser" which is available anywhere, not just on the web. When you press it, it brings up a sort of menu of everything being displayed in the window. If you type a few letters in, the menu shrinks to only include items which contain the letters you typed. It is actually much nicer than a traditional find command, as you are describing, and a whole lot more powerful. :) HTH. Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 17, 2009, at 4:30 PM, a radix wrote: Hi everyone, Currently on windows I use hal 7.0 and webformator for surfing the web. Webformator displays the webpage in a sort of text-file which allows you to just browse it, i mean go through it all with arrow up/down and tab to go to link/link. You can use (and that is the one great feature I love about webformator) control-f to search for specefic text in a webpage. Since it is a text file (sort off, you can stiull click on links) it does not restrict you to link but will also instantly point you to a word in the actual body of the webpage, i often visit forums etc that I know quite well and find this feature very useful because it means I can navigate them quickly and efficiently. Also since, once again its a text file I can search for for example combobox in the control-f dialog and it will bring me to the first of these. I wonder if anything like this exists in safari-voiceover? I am actually hoping that transition will be easier for me becaus eI hav emostly been using a kin dof dumb screenreader, just using the windows commands and not many screenreader ocmmands at all so I am hoping I will be able to adapt quickly. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
Any access technology developer who thinks that way so far as I'm concerned has nothing of any worth left to offer. On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Larry Wanger wrote: > Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, if enough > of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more each year > in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any other product > and the markets they compete in. > > > > > > _ > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > > > You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's case, I > have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on observations from > that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would sit down > with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his findings. > I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on his position > regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, you'd > accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving yourself a > headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had with a > particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of me > expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice to see > their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a very much > "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at the very > least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid Mac when > you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, the market > being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of these folks > over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is truly a > competitor now and any competition is a threat. > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > > > > > Josh, > > > > I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. I am more > productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could with my > Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had terrible > luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I have pages > of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. > > > > What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote this > before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear about how he > feels. And, like it or not, he's a "leader" if you want to call him that, in > the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional sense; I > mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest blindness > technology providers in the world and with that role comes some > responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to speak > rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance of being > self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the opportunity to > set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on my > iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an advanced > camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell of a lot > better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he would be > willing to sit down and write out his observations after the iPhone has been > in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never even held > one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any response he might > give now would be baseless. > > > > > > _ > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > > > > > What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: > How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a > QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. > After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or > really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move > around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having > trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. > > > > Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, > and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI > iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. > Once you are, it's fantastic. :) > > > Josh de Lioncourt > >.my other mail provider is an owl. > > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > > Music: http://stage19music.com > > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
you know why? because the i phone is way more superior than the pac mate let him pay 3000 US dollars or more for it, an i phone is loads cheaper and does everything that does? can someone send me off list please, the original article he posted? On 18 Jul 2009, at 11:34, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Any access technology developer who thinks that way so far as I'm > concerned has nothing of any worth left to offer. > > > > On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Larry Wanger wrote: > >> Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, >> if enough >> of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more >> each year >> in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any other >> product >> and the markets they compete in. >> >> >> >> >> >> _ >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >> >> >> >> You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's >> case, I >> have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on observations >> from >> that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would sit >> down >> with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his >> findings. >> I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on his >> position >> regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, >> you'd >> accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving yourself a >> headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had >> with a >> particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of me >> expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice >> to see >> their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a >> very much >> "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at the >> very >> least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid >> Mac when >> you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, >> the market >> being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of >> these folks >> over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is truly a >> competitor now and any competition is a threat. >> >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Josh, >> >> >> >> I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. >> I am more >> productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could >> with my >> Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had >> terrible >> luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I >> have pages >> of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. >> >> >> >> What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote >> this >> before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear >> about how he >> feels. And, like it or not, he's a "leader" if you want to call him >> that, in >> the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional >> sense; I >> mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest blindness >> technology providers in the world and with that role comes some >> responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to >> speak >> rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance >> of being >> self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the >> opportunity to >> set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on >> my >> iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an >> advanced >> camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell of a >> lot >> better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he >> would be >> willing to sit down and write out his observations after the iPhone >> has been >> in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never >> even held >> one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any response >> he might >> give now would be baseless. >> >> >> >> >> >> _ >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de >> Lioncourt >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >> >> >> >> >> >> What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so >> inefficient is: >> How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever >> touched a >> QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface >> interaction. >> After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery >> status, or >> really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do >> not move >> around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are >> having >> trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar scree
jumping on the itunes store
hi, when my itunes gains focus on the store voiceover is going i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i tunes store lol why is it doing this lol smile I installed all updates --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
IPhone accessibility
Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
Hello James and all: Well, I can give an example of the power of the item chooser which might shed some light. When using facebook in the beginning I was completely lost. Specifically, as you know, there is a feature on facebook which allows you to send a private message to someone. For the life of me I could not find the edit boxes where one was supposed to enter the text. And, if I did find it using conventional browsing techniques, the edit boxes lost focus. When activating the item chooser I could type in the word edit and get a limited number of choices, and the first three choices were the edit fields I required to enter text. I could enter the text without losing focus and I could find the send button by performing the same activation of the item chooser, typing send which pulled up the send button and then using vo keys plus the space bar to activate the send button. The item chooser will assist person's in finding things that are there though might be difficult to get to. I know that might sound like either an over simplification or an item specific example and Josh most likely could do a better job in explaining. However, this feature is, as Josh said, not just useful on the web. It has assisted me in successfully using applications such as iphoto ... Hopefully that sheds a little light on the topic for you and hopefully you find some of this useful. Take good care. On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:31 AM, James & Nash wrote: > Hello Josh, > > Could you please explain a bit more about how exactly it is more > powerful? Everytime I've used it Item Chooser seemed to be just a > smart search that was clever enough to only show results which > contained certain letters. > > Thanks > > James > - Original Message - > From: Josh de Lioncourt > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: searching for specefic text on a webpage > > > VoiceOver has a function called "Item Chooser" which is available > anywhere, not just on the web. When you press it, it brings up a > sort of menu of everything being displayed in the window. If you > type a few letters in, the menu shrinks to only include items which > contain the letters you typed. It is actually much nicer than a > traditional find command, as you are describing, and a whole lot > more powerful. :) > > HTH. > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jul 17, 2009, at 4:30 PM, a radix wrote: > >> Hi everyone, Currently on windows I use hal 7.0 and webformator for >> surfing the web. Webformator displays the webpage in a sort of text- >> file which allows you to just browse it, i mean go through it all >> with arrow up/down and tab to go to link/link. You can use (and >> that is the one great feature I love about webformator) control-f >> to search for specefic text in a webpage. Since it is a text file >> (sort off, you can stiull click on links) it does not restrict you >> to link but will also instantly point you to a word in the actual >> body of the webpage, i often visit forums etc that I know quite >> well and find this feature very useful because it means I can >> navigate them quickly and efficiently. Also since, once again >> its a text file I can search for for example combobox in the >> control-f dialog and it will bring me to the first of these. I >> wonder if anything like this exists in safari-voiceover? I am >> actually hoping that transition will be easier for me becaus eI hav >> emostly been using a kin dof dumb screenreader, just using the >> windows commands and not many screenreader ocmmands at all so I am >> hoping I will be able to adapt quickly. >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> >> > > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I too would like to read this article. However, competition is a good thing. We should rmember that Apple is first and foremost a commercial vender and accessibility is not necessarily at the top of their list although they have done, and I am sure will continue to do a fantastic job. Besides everyone is entitled to their views and the Windows Assistive Technology developers do in fact have much left to offer the great majority of those of us who use Windows. Not least because the vast majority of the working world uses Windows . But yes, their products are overly priced. Very much so. Take care James - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > you know why? > because the i phone is way more superior than the pac mate > let him pay 3000 US dollars or more for it, an i phone is loads > cheaper and does everything that does? > can someone send me off list please, the original article he posted? > > On 18 Jul 2009, at 11:34, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >> >> Any access technology developer who thinks that way so far as I'm >> concerned has nothing of any worth left to offer. >> >> >> >> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Larry Wanger wrote: >> >>> Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, >>> if enough >>> of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more >>> each year >>> in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any other >>> product >>> and the markets they compete in. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _ >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell >>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's >>> case, I >>> have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on observations >>> from >>> that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would sit >>> down >>> with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his >>> findings. >>> I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on his >>> position >>> regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, >>> you'd >>> accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving yourself a >>> headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had >>> with a >>> particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of me >>> expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice >>> to see >>> their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a >>> very much >>> "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at the >>> very >>> least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid >>> Mac when >>> you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, >>> the market >>> being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of >>> these folks >>> over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is truly a >>> competitor now and any competition is a threat. >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh, >>> >>> >>> >>> I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. >>> I am more >>> productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could >>> with my >>> Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had >>> terrible >>> luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I >>> have pages >>> of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. >>> >>> >>> >>> What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote >>> this >>> before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear >>> about how he >>> feels. And, like it or not, he's a "leader" if you want to call him >>> that, in >>> the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional >>> sense; I >>> mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest blindness >>> technology providers in the world and with that role comes some >>> responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to >>> speak >>> rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance >>> of being >>> self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the >>> opportunity to >>> set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on >>> my >>> iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an >>> advanced >>> camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell of a >>> lot >>> better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he >>> would be >>> willing to sit down and write out his observations after the iPhone >>> has been >>> in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never >>> even held >>> one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any response >>> he might >>> give now would be baseless. >>> >>> >>
Re: IPhone accessibility
I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. :) On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
simon which s sixty phone do you use? On 18 Jul 2009, at 12:10, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Simon and all: I am a totally blind user and use the iphone quite a bit for work and play. It truly offers accessibility out of the box and it offers accessibility to a wide variety of apps. I will not rave on and on about it lest be considered an iphone enthusiast (wink). Let me just say if you were wondering if a totally blind person can use it both efficiently and effectively the answer is yes. Go get one, use it for a little while and see how you get on. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Simon, I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the iPhone in both French and English. I hope this reassures you a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction/noob questions(longish)
Hello, Thank you anne for this info. Maybe I am being prejudiced here (quite possible) bu tI havent heard that much about readiris at all as an ocr package in comparison with finereader and omnipage. As I said I always need to scan books for school and also lots of articles which often are not that great quality because they are copied. With omnipage I can just scan it and leave it be knowing that it will be very readable (unless people have been circling stuff with biros) and wont need any further attention. Luckily I still have an oldish windows laptop and a pc but that one needs to be reinstalled. I thought version 16 of omnipage was working on the mac but if not then indeed it would maybe not be such a good idea to use it. Thanks again, Greetings, Anouk - Original Message - From: "Anne Robertson" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: Re: introduction/noob questions(longish) > > Hello Anowk, > > Omnipage is virtually obsolete for the Mac. It hasn't been updated for > around 8 years! Readiris does an excellent job. It handles page > orientation and can automatically open the processed document in > whatever text editor you like. I use VueScan with Readiris as VueScan > produces better scans, but I have them set up so that VueScan launches > Readiris which in turn launches TextEdit. You can find set-up guides > and user guides for these on: > and > > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: "Victor Tsaran" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, > you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock > them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various > objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). > It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, > especially if you are a heavy laptop user. > Good luck, > Vic > > On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you >> don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover >> commands. >> >> CB >> >> william lomas wrote: >>> you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around >>> >>> On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: >>> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > > --- > I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 > or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com > --- > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac support/warranty, does it matter where you buy?
Hi thank you (and Alex too) for all your quick responses and info. I am still not sure, I am going to read the vo manual today, bu tI will look around in nl (on the web that is) if I import from the usa there will be HUGE vat and customs charges, customs are really strict here so after some consideration it might not be such a cost-saver after all. I will do some searching on the net though, maybe theya re available in nl itself for lower prices then official apple store. Thanks again, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Esther To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: mac support/warranty, does it matter where you buy? HI Anouk, Well, at least one other list member in Germany bought his Mac while visiting the U.S. There are two parts to the power cable -- a power brick and an extension cable. The power brick has a plug attachment, and there is a European plug attachment that can go into the connector, which uses a figure-8 plug insert. I think these are also called duck-head plugs or IEC-C7 plugs. If you feel the power brick without the plug inserted, there's basically a small section of the rectangular brick cut away, with an indentation for the figure-8 plug connection to get inserted. Apple sells a world travel adapter kit that allows you to switch between 6 different plug connectors for Europe, North America, China, the UK, Korea, Australia, and Hong Kong. (As far as I know, you can't buy individual plugs separately, and the travel adapter kit seems overpriced at $39.00, but my local Apple Store put some of these on sale five years ago at substantial discount.) Here's the link in the U.S. Store: http://store.apple.com/us/product/M8794G/B Buying a travel adapter plug that switches from U.S. to Continental European plug configuration is cheaper, and also works; you can put this on the end of either the U.S. adapter plug, or the end of the extension cable (which has 3-prongs -- just insert the 2 with blades into the travel adapter plug), and insert into an outlet. I've used this with my (U.S.) MacBook in Europe. I think you can also use the figure-8 plug from any other laptop and connect it into the power brick -- for example, the cord from my Lenovo ThinkPad can plug into the MacBook power brick instead of the ThinkPad power brick and power it, but this might be less safe for warranty coverage. You can certainly just buy an extra Apple MagSafe power adapter for the MacBook at your local Apple Store. I do know of people in Europe who bought Apple Products through the U.S. Amazon Store and had them shipped. This was the fastest way to get the new Nano 4G in large capacity when it first came out for some folks. There are links for Amazon Mac products from the macintouch.com web page at: http://www.macintouch.com/ Look under Amazon Updates. HTH Cheers, Esther On Jul 17, 2009, at 14:55, a radix wrote: Hello GREAT so this could mean I could buy a mac in the states (much cheaper because of euro-dollar) have it shipped to me and then buy apple care here in nl? (I would of course have to find a company willing to do this or an apple which is less then one year old, or is apple care not transferrable? I would have to find a new charger I guess but I think as long as the charger accepts nl ac input it should be ok since the laptop normally has a much lower voltage which i think is not different per ocuntry. Thanks Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:51 AM Subject: Re: mac support/warranty, does it matter where you buy? Hi, According to a person working at my local Apple Store, you can buy it anywhere and it will work internationally, though Apple recomends you buy in the country you are living in. Note: AppleCare can be bought within the first 11 Months, so you can buy the Mac in another country, ship it with its coverage still being covered, and then buy AppleCare. Regards, Alex, On 17-Jul-09, at 11:32 AM, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, I wonder if it is advisable to buy a macbook pro from the appl eonline store or an apple stor ein general or if it is ok to buy one just anywhere? The apple store is not very accessible for me bu tI could order by phone although, of course I would like to find the cheapest place to buy one, lol. I guess apple gives support no matter where you have bought your laptop, as long as it is, for me for example, within th eNetherlands? I also wonder about warranty, is it still only one year standard. I find that kind of meager, in europe most costly stuff like this has standard 2 years, although to be honest some other laptop companies do persist in only giving one year as well. Is it possible to get on site
Re: searching for specefic text on a webpage
My main complaint with item chooser is that it does not work properly if VO lock is enabled. The find command accespts letter keys as letters when in VO-lock while the item chooser just beeps and won't even let you turn off vo-lock. Since I am running on a 5 year old Macintosh this is a problem. Item chooser will take 15-20 seconds on a long web page. Jon On Jul 17, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > VoiceOver has a function called "Item Chooser" which is available > anywhere, not just on the web. When you press it, it brings up a > sort of menu of everything being displayed in the window. If you > type a few letters in, the menu shrinks to only include items which > contain the letters you typed. It is actually much nicer than a > traditional find command, as you are describing, and a whole lot > more powerful. :) > > HTH. > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jul 17, 2009, at 4:30 PM, a radix wrote: > >> Hi everyone, Currently on windows I use hal 7.0 and webformator for >> surfing the web. Webformator displays the webpage in a sort of text- >> file which allows you to just browse it, i mean go through it all >> with arrow up/down and tab to go to link/link. You can use (and >> that is the one great feature I love about webformator) control-f >> to search for specefic text in a webpage. Since it is a text file >> (sort off, you can stiull click on links) it does not restrict you >> to link but will also instantly point you to a word in the actual >> body of the webpage, i often visit forums etc that I know quite >> well and find this feature very useful because it means I can >> navigate them quickly and efficiently. Also since, once again its a >> text file I can search for for example combobox in the control-f >> dialog and it will bring me to the first of these. I wonder if >> anything like this exists in safari-voiceover? I am actually hoping >> that transition will be easier for me becaus eI hav emostly been >> using a kin dof dumb screenreader, just using the windows commands >> and not many screenreader ocmmands at all so I am hoping I will be >> able to adapt quickly. >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi Anouk, The numpad is in deed optional, and there really isn't that much difference between using vo on a laptop or desktop configuration. Although having said that, my disgust at not having a numpad on my laptop keybord any more and my desire for a right hand control key really no know bounds. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 8:02 AM, a radix wrote: > > Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I > thought it > was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo > between using it on a laptop or a pc... > Greetings, Anouk, > - Original Message - > From: "Victor Tsaran" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > >> >> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option >> keys, >> you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to >> unlock >> them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various >> objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). >> It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of >> time, >> especially if you are a heavy laptop user. >> Good luck, >> Vic >> >> On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. >>> Then you >>> don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover >>> commands. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: > Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I > read > that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a > document for example you need to use the voice key (which is > either > command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but > would > tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single > handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot > slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my > braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. > Greetings, Anouk, > > > >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> --- >> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ >> vick08 >> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com >> --- >> >>> > > > > > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: > 07/17/09 18:00:00 > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hello Anowk, A numeric keypad is not necessary for VoiceOver, it's just another option. I prefer not to use one but I suspect I'm in the minority there. With VoiceOver, there is very rarely just one way of doing something. Very few of us have had any formal training in VoiceOver, so we tend to be quite individualistic in our approaches to it. For instance, VO- M will take you to the Apple menu, but I usually use the standard Mac shortcut Control-F2, which does the same thing. As for needing to unlock the VO keys to interact or stop interacting, this is not the case. I lock the VO keys when using Safari, and just press Shift and Down Arrow to interact with an item. I hope this clarifies things a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hey Erik, So there are no macbooks with numpad? Cant you buy an external one? I myself have never used a numpad and only need to use the fn key on my laptop if I want to turn on/off virtual focus (hal). btw, do you still use linux/windows or just os x now? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: "erik burggraaf" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > Hi Anouk, The numpad is in deed optional, and there really isn't that > much difference between using vo on a laptop or desktop > configuration. Although having said that, my disgust at not having a > numpad on my laptop keybord any more and my desire for a right hand > control key really no know bounds. > > Best, > > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 18-Jul-09, at 8:02 AM, a radix wrote: > >> >> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I >> thought it >> was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo >> between using it on a laptop or a pc... >> Greetings, Anouk, >> - Original Message - >> From: "Victor Tsaran" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM >> Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? >> >> >>> >>> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option >>> keys, >>> you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to >>> unlock >>> them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various >>> objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). >>> It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of >>> time, >>> especially if you are a heavy laptop user. >>> Good luck, >>> Vic >>> >>> On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: > you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around > > On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: > >> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I >> read >> that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a >> document for example you need to use the voice key (which is >> either >> command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but >> would >> tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single >> handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot >> slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my >> braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> >> > > > > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ >>> vick08 >>> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com >>> --- >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >> Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: >> 07/17/09 18:00:00 >> >> >> > > > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Anne and all: Everything you said in your email is absolutely credible except that line about not being young ... that will be ignored (smile). I have a question. Does Navigon cover all of Europe and is there noise about when it is heading towards North America? Thank you. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Simon, > > I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my > iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, > surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using > either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send > text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, > and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the > iPhone in both French and English. > > I hope this reassures you a bit. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: searching for specefic text on a webpage
Hello Jonathan and all: It would appear your complaint is with vo lock and not with item chooser. with vo lock enabled, there are many things you cannot do. For example, if I wanted to type this email with vo locked that would not work either because of the reality of vo being locked and pressing the letter A for example. that would produce the read all function. SECOND, MANY APPLICATIONS AND FUNCTIONS PERFORM SLOWER ON OLDER MACHINES GIVEN THAT MORE PROCESSING POWER IS NECESSARY FOR MORE RECENT APPLICATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS. ITEM CHOOSER DOES WORK AND DOES DO WHAT it is advertised to do. If you wish to take advantage of it and if your machine has the capacity to take advantage of it are two completely different questions. I am not wanting to disagree or minimize your experiences. I just wanted to clarify that item chooser does work as advertised. Take good care. On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > My main complaint with item chooser is that it does not work > properly if VO lock is enabled. The find command accespts letter > keys as letters when in VO-lock while the item chooser just beeps > and won't even let you turn off vo-lock. Since I am running on a 5 > year old Macintosh this is a problem. Item chooser will take 15-20 > seconds on a long web page. > > Jon > > On Jul 17, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> VoiceOver has a function called "Item Chooser" which is available >> anywhere, not just on the web. When you press it, it brings up a >> sort of menu of everything being displayed in the window. If you >> type a few letters in, the menu shrinks to only include items which >> contain the letters you typed. It is actually much nicer than a >> traditional find command, as you are describing, and a whole lot >> more powerful. :) >> >> HTH. >> >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> On Jul 17, 2009, at 4:30 PM, a radix wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, Currently on windows I use hal 7.0 and webformator >>> for surfing the web. Webformator displays the webpage in a sort of >>> text-file which allows you to just browse it, i mean go through it >>> all with arrow up/down and tab to go to link/link. You can use >>> (and that is the one great feature I love about webformator) >>> control-f to search for specefic text in a webpage. Since it is a >>> text file (sort off, you can stiull click on links) it does not >>> restrict you to link but will also instantly point you to a word >>> in the actual body of the webpage, i often visit forums etc that I >>> know quite well and find this feature very useful because it means >>> I can navigate them quickly and efficiently. Also since, once >>> again its a text file I can search for for example combobox in the >>> control-f dialog and it will bring me to the first of these. I >>> wonder if anything like this exists in safari-voiceover? I am >>> actually hoping that transition will be easier for me becaus eI >>> hav emostly been using a kin dof dumb screenreader, just using the >>> windows commands and not many screenreader ocmmands at all so I am >>> hoping I will be able to adapt quickly. >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. > :) > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >> >> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >> totally blind >> person. >> >> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >> against >> my Nokia s60 device. >> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >> say I'm >> fixed on it yet. >> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >> it. >> >> Cheers >> >> Simonf. >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
i'd love a podcast on the GPS navigan so we can "hear" it in action On 18 Jul 2009, at 14:25, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. > Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the > features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails > or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two > finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, > email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max > On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. >> :) >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >>> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >>> >>> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >>> totally blind >>> person. >>> >>> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >>> against >>> my Nokia s60 device. >>> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >>> say I'm >>> fixed on it yet. >>> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >>> it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Simonf. >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumping on the itunes store
I've noticed this, but why I'm not sure unless it is the amount of content being loaded into the html area. I just tab over to the find area and start typing or just wait until it's done having a fit, which doesn't last long. I guess I should send a note to accessibil...@apple.com about it, but just hadn't gotten to it yet. On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:39 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi, when my itunes gains focus on the store voiceover is going > i i i > i i i i i i i i i i i i tunes store lol > why is it doing this lol smile > I installed all updates > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I'm total and have no plroblems using the IPhone at all. I've had it for almost a month now May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:10 AM Subject: IPhone accessibility > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally > blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumping on the itunes store
Scott and Will and all, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who has this happen. I didn't even really think of it 'til I saw this message. Yah my iTunes does that stuttering thing. I just figured iTunes or VO or the pair were kind of buggy and was waiting to see if the new os will fix this. I just let Mr. Macky *yes, I've named my macbook. Yes I love South Park. so calling the macbook Mr. Macky was enevidible. ummmkay?* have itt's little fit and then all is right with the world. *smile* Best Wishes Jenny Kennedy (Howard) blueskyes9112...@gmail.com Olathe, Kansas USA Join me on FaceBook: Personal Profile - www.facebook.com/blueskyes And feel free to join "The Blind Parents of FaceBook" group. Search for it in groups or contact me for details. Follow me via twitter using the username: ben_folds_fan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
I, too, like the items chooser, but I find that if I try to use it to navigate in Mail to a certain spot in the message, it won't work. Here's my scenario: I have an E-mail with a bunch of links in it or downloading material. I want to download from a link which is almost at the end, and takes a while to scroll to the long, linear way. if I find it with Items Chooser, then VO space on it and try to work with it, I find that I haven't, in fact, moved. When I try to manually route the cursor to the VO cursor, I get a message saying I can't. What'm I doing wrong here? Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumping on the itunes store
Mr. Macky; that's funny, nnkay? :) But if it's stuttering like that, try doing software update to the newest version. Otherwise, you might have to rename your computer to Ms. Chokes on disks. ... Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumping on the itunes store
Mark, I'll have to give software update a go. LOL! Ms. Chokes on disks. LOL That's great! I nearly spit out the mouth full of tea all over the place when I read that :-) That's really good! Best Wishes Jenny Kennedy (Howard) blueskyes9112...@gmail.com Olathe, Kansas USA Join me on FaceBook: Personal Profile - www.facebook.com/blueskyes And feel free to join "The Blind Parents of FaceBook" group. Search for it in groups or contact me for details. Follow me via twitter using the username: ben_folds_fan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumping on the itunes store
I've noticed this as well, ever since maybe iTunes 8.2? It started after one of the updates to iTunes, since we've had access to the store. It's not the amount of ram in this Mac, as I've got 4 gigs in it. Not sure what it could be. On Jul 18, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > > I've noticed this, but why I'm not sure unless it is the amount of > content being loaded into the html area. I just tab over to the find > area and start typing or just wait until it's done having a fit, which > doesn't last long. I guess I should send a note to accessibil...@apple.com > about it, but just hadn't gotten to it yet. > On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:39 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi, when my itunes gains focus on the store voiceover is going >> i >> i i >> i i i i i i i i i i i i tunes store lol >> why is it doing this lol smile >> I installed all updates >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
Mark, Sometimes I find that if I use VO-L to read the line just after doing a scenario like you describe that there is more likelyhood that I will actually be at the link. The trouble with cursor tracking on is that sometimes the wrong cursor takes precedence. So, when the keyboard focus moves back from item chooser mode, it appears that the VO cursor and the moves back to the keyboard focus. I believe that using the VO- L command might route around this behavior. I have often switched off tracking mode, but there are some issues there First, the dock is almost completely unusable. Secondly, sometimes the VO cursor gets stuck in nowhere land. This I believe there is one other place where turning off cursor tracking just doesn't work. I'll have to keep my fingers aware for that. In terms of the item chooser mode not accepting keyboard input as selection items, I understand that would be a little different from what one would expect, but one can not even turn off the lock when in the item chooser. Also when lock mode is on and you type VO-F to use the find function, then the alphanumeric keys work as alphanumerics, and not VO keys so it would be possible for Apple to temporarily turn off VO lock in item chooser and link chooser. Best regardes, Jon . On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > > I, too, like the items chooser, but I find that if I try to use it to > navigate in Mail to a certain spot in the message, it won't work. > Here's my scenario: > I have an E-mail with a bunch of links in it or downloading material. > I want to download from a link which is almost at the end, and takes a > while to scroll to the long, linear way. if I find it with Items > Chooser, then VO space on it and try to work with it, I find that I > haven't, in fact, moved. When I try to manually route the cursor to > the VO cursor, I get a message saying I can't. What'm I doing wrong > here? > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Buying from Amazon
Can you get it custom built? I'm asking cause I want to get it with 4 gigs of ram and a 500 gig drive. Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Problem with arcive utility
Hello all. I have a couple of books from bookshare that I would liike to unzip, but when doing so I receive a message the it is unable to unarcive to this folder downloads. How do I get around this problem? I have no problems with anything else. Is there another problem I need to use for unzipping bookshare books or should work fine? Thanks again up frunt. Matthew --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
Hum, I think you're way off base on most of this stuff. I've never had any trouble with the dock no matter what configuration my cursers are being tracked in. I can replicate the issue where the control option lock won't turn off in the item chooser though, that's almost sertainly a bug. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > Mark, > > Sometimes I find that if I use VO-L to read the line just after doing > a scenario like you describe that there is more likelyhood that I will > actually be at the link. The trouble with cursor tracking on is that > sometimes the wrong cursor takes precedence. So, when the keyboard > focus moves back from item chooser mode, it appears that the VO cursor > and the moves back to the keyboard focus. I believe that using the VO- > L command might route around this behavior. I have often switched off > tracking mode, but there are some issues there First, the dock is > almost completely unusable. Secondly, sometimes the VO cursor gets > stuck in nowhere land. This I believe there is one other place where > turning off cursor tracking just doesn't work. I'll have to keep my > fingers aware for that. > > In terms of the item chooser mode not accepting keyboard input as > selection items, I understand that would be a little different from > what one would expect, but one can not even turn off the lock when in > the item chooser. Also when lock mode is on and you type VO-F to use > the find function, then the alphanumeric keys work as alphanumerics, > and not VO keys so it would be possible for Apple to temporarily turn > off VO lock in item chooser and link chooser. > > Best regardes, > > Jon > . > > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > >> >> I, too, like the items chooser, but I find that if I try to use it to >> navigate in Mail to a certain spot in the message, it won't work. >> Here's my scenario: >> I have an E-mail with a bunch of links in it or downloading material. >> I want to download from a link which is almost at the end, and >> takes a >> while to scroll to the long, linear way. if I find it with Items >> Chooser, then VO space on it and try to work with it, I find that I >> haven't, in fact, moved. When I try to manually route the cursor to >> the VO cursor, I get a message saying I can't. What'm I doing wrong >> here? >> >> >> Mark BurningHawk >> >> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> My home page: >> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I use email, fring for IM, safari, weather app, clock, calendar, notes, fun apps such as the role playing games. Typing is down to personal preference iIMO. but I'm typing just fine, and enjoying it. On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. > Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the > features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails > or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two > finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, > email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max > On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. >> :) >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >>> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >>> >>> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >>> totally blind >>> person. >>> >>> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >>> against >>> my Nokia s60 device. >>> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >>> say I'm >>> fixed on it yet. >>> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >>> it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Simonf. >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Exporting Itune purchases to MP?
Hi all: Is it possible to export purchased music from ITune to MP3? Thanks, Kamal --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Buying from Amazon
Unfortunately not. You can only buy what thy've got in stock it would appear. - Original Message - From: "mike reiser" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Buying from Amazon > > Can you get it custom built? I'm asking cause I want to get it with 4 > gigs of ram and a 500 gig drive. > > Mike > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
Hello Jonathan and all: Mark. I just attempted to send a reply to this via your hotmail account. It comes back as undeliverable regardless of which mail I send it from. Is it still operative? Attempted to send a tip or two using the item chooser. In short, the item chooser located your email link. I used vo + spacebar to find it and then vo + spacebar to activate the link. Mail opened with the proper address and then I wrote the email and sent it. That is where everything came to a screeching stop (grin). Let me know. On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > Mark, > > Sometimes I find that if I use VO-L to read the line just after doing > a scenario like you describe that there is more likelyhood that I will > actually be at the link. The trouble with cursor tracking on is that > sometimes the wrong cursor takes precedence. So, when the keyboard > focus moves back from item chooser mode, it appears that the VO cursor > and the moves back to the keyboard focus. I believe that using the VO- > L command might route around this behavior. I have often switched off > tracking mode, but there are some issues there First, the dock is > almost completely unusable. Secondly, sometimes the VO cursor gets > stuck in nowhere land. This I believe there is one other place where > turning off cursor tracking just doesn't work. I'll have to keep my > fingers aware for that. > > In terms of the item chooser mode not accepting keyboard input as > selection items, I understand that would be a little different from > what one would expect, but one can not even turn off the lock when in > the item chooser. Also when lock mode is on and you type VO-F to use > the find function, then the alphanumeric keys work as alphanumerics, > and not VO keys so it would be possible for Apple to temporarily turn > off VO lock in item chooser and link chooser. > > Best regardes, > > Jon > . > > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > >> >> I, too, like the items chooser, but I find that if I try to use it to >> navigate in Mail to a certain spot in the message, it won't work. >> Here's my scenario: >> I have an E-mail with a bunch of links in it or downloading material. >> I want to download from a link which is almost at the end, and >> takes a >> while to scroll to the long, linear way. if I find it with Items >> Chooser, then VO space on it and try to work with it, I find that I >> haven't, in fact, moved. When I try to manually route the cursor to >> the VO cursor, I get a message saying I can't. What'm I doing wrong >> here? >> >> >> Mark BurningHawk >> >> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> My home page: >> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> >> >>> > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem with arcive utility
Hello, Are you talking about The Unarchiver? If so, This is how I have mine set. Command Comma to go to application preferences. Under the Archived Formats tab, I have all compression formats checked. Under the Extraction tab I have it set to unpack all my materials to the Desktop and Delete the Packed files. I didn't change anything in Advance. HTH On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:24 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: > > Hello all. > > I have a couple of books from bookshare that I would liike to unzip, > but when doing so I receive a message the it is unable to unarcive to > this folder downloads. How do I get around this problem? I have no > problems with anything else. Is there another problem I need to use > for unzipping bookshare books or should work fine? Thanks again up > frunt. > > Matthew > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
That's amazing. Wonderful example of intuitional / experiential problem solving. I didn't think of using VO F to find the item; I've only had my mac six months and I'm still in the wonderment stage at how powerful and right-feeling this intuitional OS thing really is. :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
U. I only use that hotmail account as an MSN passport; I doubt it's still active. Note to self to qualify that in future signatures... Thanks. *bow* Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Games? i'm glad to hear of everyone's success. Since my falling out with sprint over their converting my unlimited data plan to a soft cap and then cancelling me all together, I've been looking for my next mobile internet solution. I was thinking the iphone might just do it. On the 32 gb model how much free space do you have? What kind of data plans do they offer? Could you see me being able to maintain a website over it in a pinch? I'm not traveling as much as i used to, but there are still those days when a new listing comes in or an important email has to sit in my inbox for not having mobile internet any more. I may have to subscribe to the iphone list as I"m really starting to get excited by the idea. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > I use email, fring for IM, safari, weather app, clock, calendar, > notes, fun apps such as the role playing games. Typing is down to > personal preference iIMO. but I'm typing just fine, and enjoying it. > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > >> >> Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. >> Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the >> features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails >> or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two >> finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, >> email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. >>> :) >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac support/warranty, does it matter where you buy?
Hi, I was told by an apple tech that I only had 90 days to get the apple care plan. I am not sure if that is the case or not, but that is only what I was told when I called to try to resaulve a mail problem. Matthew On Jul 17, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > Hi, > > According to a person working at my local Apple Store, you can buy > it anywhere and it will work internationally, though Apple recomends > you buy in the country you are living in. Note: AppleCare can be > bought within the first 11 Months, so you can buy the Mac in another > country, ship it with its coverage still being covered, and then buy > AppleCare. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 17-Jul-09, at 11:32 AM, a radix wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I wonder if it is advisable to buy a macbook pro from the appl >> eonline store or an apple stor ein general or if it is ok to buy >> one just anywhere? The apple store is not very accessible for me bu >> tI could order by phone although, of course I would like to find >> the cheapest place to buy one, lol. I guess apple gives support no >> matter where you have bought your laptop, as long as it is, for me >> for example, within th eNetherlands? I also wonder about warranty, >> is it still only one year standard. I find that kind of meager, in >> europe most costly stuff like this has standard 2 years, although >> to be honest some other laptop companies do persist in only giving >> one year as well. Is it possible to get on site warranty or is it >> pick up and return or maybe even carry in? >> >> Thanks again for all the help, >> >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
contacts tab of iphone
hi all a friend of mine has the new iphone 3gs he wants to get to the contacts tab of the mail, calendars and contacts page ins ettings, how do we move please, from page to page --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem with arcive utility
Hi, Will give this a shot and see what happehns. It only happens with bookshare books. I have not had any problems with anything else. Matthew On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Dan wrote: > > Hello, > Are you talking about The Unarchiver? If so, This is how I have mine > set. > Command Comma to go to application preferences. Under the Archived > Formats tab, I have all compression formats checked. Under the > Extraction tab I have it set to unpack all my materials to the Desktop > and Delete the Packed files. I didn't change anything in Advance. > HTH > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:24 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: > >> >> Hello all. >> >> I have a couple of books from bookshare that I would liike to unzip, >> but when doing so I receive a message the it is unable to unarcive to >> this folder downloads. How do I get around this problem? I have no >> problems with anything else. Is there another problem I need to use >> for unzipping bookshare books or should work fine? Thanks again up >> frunt. >> >> Matthew >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I am totally blind and have no trouble using my iPhone. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Still no luck with unziping bookshare files
Hi all. I went into the prefrences and made a changes as whare to the files and still no luck will keep playing around with it but if there are any ideas on how to get around this thanks. I know that in windows if unziping something and it is password protected it would ask you for the password. Matthew --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Honest opinion? You can definitely use IPhone because everything you touch is spoken to you. So there is really no inherent reason why a totally blind person cannot use it. Whether it's efficient is a different question. I think this will depend on how good your spatial imagination is and how well you remember layouts. The biggest challenge for a blind person using IPhone, in my opinion, is being able to guess/predict the layout of the screen that you are on. I have already found that different applications will place things in different places, e.g. tabs, status messages etc. What I do like about IPhone is the design behind the "home" screen. For example, you can place your most important apps such as "search", "stocks", "weather", "news" on the "home" screen and access this information with just a single click (well, a double tap, to be more precise). If Nokia made their widsets accessible, we would be in a much happier "camp". But there are no signs of Nokia taking that direction any time soon, so Apple is probably your better bet (even if it will take another couple of IPhone software updates). In short, there is nothing better than trying IPhone yourself and seeing whether this is an interface for you. Believe me, you will think of your Nokia's straightforward navigation quite often when using IPhone. I will probably use my Nokia for quite a time because of the KNFB Reader and WaveFinder for which we do not yet have any equivalents on the IPhone. Best, Vic On 7/18/2009 9:59 AM, John Panarese wrote: > > I am totally blind and have no trouble using my iPhone. > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Managing Director > Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. > 9 Nolan Court > Hauppauge, NY 11788 > Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 > Email, t...@optonline.net > Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com > > AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, > PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, > DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED > > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >> >> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >> totally blind >> person. >> >> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >> against >> my Nokia s60 device. >> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >> say I'm >> fixed on it yet. >> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >> it. >> >> Cheers >> >> Simonf. >> >> >>> > > > > > -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I actually find that using IPhone's keyboard is easier for a blind person than for sighted guys. The reason is that sighted people have to look at the keys and, with their fingers covering every key they have to hit, it becomes a bit of an annoyance. Since we are used to the layout of the keyboard, we can type quite fast. Just my 33 cents. V On 7/18/2009 6:25 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. > Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the > features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails > or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two > finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, > email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max > On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. >> :) >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >>> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >>> >>> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >>> totally blind >>> person. >>> >>> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >>> against >>> my Nokia s60 device. >>> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >>> say I'm >>> fixed on it yet. >>> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >>> it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Simonf. >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > > -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Max, Keep in mind that Apple/AT&T gang lock you into a monthly data plan. But this is OK since you are not buying IPhone just to call your grandma; for that there are other phones on the market. The only bummer, and correct me if I am wrong, is that you cannot swap sim cards if you are traveling abroad. V On 7/18/2009 9:32 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Games? i'm glad to hear of everyone's success. Since my falling out > with sprint over their converting my unlimited data plan to a soft cap > and then cancelling me all together, I've been looking for my next > mobile internet solution. I was thinking the iphone might just do > it. On the 32 gb model how much free space do you have? What kind of > data plans do they offer? Could you see me being able to maintain a > website over it in a pinch? I'm not traveling as much as i used to, > but there are still those days when a new listing comes in or an > important email has to sit in my inbox for not having mobile internet > any more. I may have to subscribe to the iphone list as I"m really > starting to get excited by the idea. Thanks, Max > On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> I use email, fring for IM, safari, weather app, clock, calendar, >> notes, fun apps such as the role playing games. Typing is down to >> personal preference iIMO. but I'm typing just fine, and enjoying it. >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. >>> Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the >>> features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails >>> or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two >>> finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, >>> email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max >>> On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>> I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. :) On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, > are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / > accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on > with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > > -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Patrick, On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:36 PM, patrickneazer wrote: > I have a question. Does Navigon cover all of Europe and is there > noise about when it is heading towards North America? > It covers most of Europe apart from Russia and Ukraine, and it's supposed to be heading for North America, but I don't know when. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Anne: Thank you for your response. Another question if I may ... do you happen to know how many languages navagon takes advantage of and in your opinion how well do the languages function. Thank you again. On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Patrick, > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:36 PM, patrickneazer wrote: >> I have a question. Does Navigon cover all of Europe and is there >> noise about when it is heading towards North America? >> > It covers most of Europe apart from Russia and Ukraine, and it's > supposed to be heading for North America, but I don't know when. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
sounds like you know more about it than i do. I do have hopes of traveling to italy and portugal in the next year but don't know if it will happen. Have a big sale pending that will have to come through soon to pull it off. I'm not so much worried about the phone side of it. I just want to know if I can access the internet without needing a second income. lol I also need to find out if I can edit my website from it when necesary. I imagine it has text edit like my mac book does, but does anyone know if there is even an ftp client for the iphone? Well, I guess I'll have to get into the local apple store and see how i feel about it. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote: > > Max, > Keep in mind that Apple/AT&T gang lock you into a monthly data plan. > But > this is OK since you are not buying IPhone just to call your grandma; > for that there are other phones on the market. > The only bummer, and correct me if I am wrong, is that you cannot swap > sim cards if you are traveling abroad. > V > > On 7/18/2009 9:32 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >> >> Games? i'm glad to hear of everyone's success. Since my falling out >> with sprint over their converting my unlimited data plan to a soft >> cap >> and then cancelling me all together, I've been looking for my next >> mobile internet solution. I was thinking the iphone might just do >> it. On the 32 gb model how much free space do you have? What kind >> of >> data plans do they offer? Could you see me being able to maintain a >> website over it in a pinch? I'm not traveling as much as i used to, >> but there are still those days when a new listing comes in or an >> important email has to sit in my inbox for not having mobile internet >> any more. I may have to subscribe to the iphone list as I"m really >> starting to get excited by the idea. Thanks, Max >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> >>> I use email, fring for IM, safari, weather app, clock, calendar, >>> notes, fun apps such as the role playing games. Typing is down to >>> personal preference iIMO. but I'm typing just fine, and enjoying it. >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >>> Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. > :) > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, >> are >> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired >> users. >> >> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >> totally blind >> person. >> >> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / >> accessibility >> against >> my Nokia s60 device. >> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I >> can't >> say I'm >> fixed on it yet. >> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on >> with >> it. >> >> Cheers >> >> Simonf. >> >> >>> > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > > --- > I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 > or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com > --- > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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hi is unison the only accessible newsreader available for the mac? or is there one i can buy with paypal? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS
Hi everyone, How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when they can't see the screen? How is it achieved? Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it usable? Thank you for any info. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: newsreader
Have you tried Vienna? It's on www.opensourcemac.org - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind" Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:43 PM Subject: newsreader > > hi is unison the only accessible newsreader available for the mac? > or is there one i can buy with paypal? > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
That has been very informative. But I think the reason behind why Noia ahs not yet done anything like Apple is tht Apple caught them off guard when they released IPhone. Since then Nokia have been playing catch-up. - Original Message - From: "Victor Tsaran" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > Honest opinion? You can definitely use IPhone because everything you > touch is spoken to you. So there is really no inherent reason why a > totally blind person cannot use it. Whether it's efficient is a > different question. I think this will depend on how good your spatial > imagination is and how well you remember layouts. The biggest challenge > for a blind person using IPhone, in my opinion, is being able to > guess/predict the layout of the screen that you are on. I have already > found that different applications will place things in different places, > e.g. tabs, status messages etc. > > What I do like about IPhone is the design behind the "home" screen. For > example, you can place your most important apps such as "search", > "stocks", "weather", "news" on the "home" screen and access this > information with just a single click (well, a double tap, to be more > precise). If Nokia made their widsets accessible, we would be in a much > happier "camp". But there are no signs of Nokia taking that direction > any time soon, so Apple is probably your better bet (even if it will > take another couple of IPhone software updates). > > In short, there is nothing better than trying IPhone yourself and seeing > whether this is an interface for you. Believe me, you will think of your > Nokia's straightforward navigation quite often when using IPhone. > > I will probably use my Nokia for quite a time because of the KNFB Reader > and WaveFinder for which we do not yet have any equivalents on the IPhone. > > Best, > Vic > > On 7/18/2009 9:59 AM, John Panarese wrote: >> >> I am totally blind and have no trouble using my iPhone. >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Managing Director >> Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. >> 9 Nolan Court >> Hauppauge, NY 11788 >> Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, t...@optonline.net >> Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com >> >> AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, >> PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, >> DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED >> >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >>> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >>> >>> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >>> totally blind >>> person. >>> >>> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >>> against >>> my Nokia s60 device. >>> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >>> say I'm >>> fixed on it yet. >>> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >>> it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Simonf. >>> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > -- > > --- > I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 > or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com > --- > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS
Might be worth you taking a read of the thread entitled iPhone accessibility James. There's been 19 messages in the last day or so all around these same questions. There's also been more than a few podcasts and demos and suchlike, might be worth having a quick poke in the list archives for those or subscribing to an actual iPhone access list to keep on top of new ones. hth On 7/18/09, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when they > can't see the screen? How is it achieved? > > Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it usable? > > Thank you for any info. > > Take care > > James > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pages 9, tables and Voiceover
I've had very little look working with tables in pages. If i insert a table into the layout area, I can see and edit it. If i insert it into the body, I have had no luck in working with it in any way. On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > Has anyone successfully been using Pages 9 and Voiceover while working > with tables within a document? Can it be done reliably? > > BW, Simon > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi: I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not just for the partially sighted. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: newsreader
Hi, I can't imagine wanting anything but unison for binaries. For text groups it's a different matter but I tried several solutions on windows, and none of them gave me the insane rush that unison on the mac did. It's a file junkie's best friend. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 2:43 PM, william lomas wrote: > > hi is unison the only accessible newsreader available for the mac? > or is there one i can buy with paypal? > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Patrick, On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:44 PM, patrickneazer wrote: > Another question if I may ... do you happen to know how many > languages navagon takes advantage of and in your opinion how well do > the languages function. > Navigon is available in the languages of the iPhone and also, according to the Website, Portuguese, Czech, Polish, Turkish, Romanian, Slovakian, Greek and Russian (I think most of these are in fact available on the iPhone. I know it works well in both French and English. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pages 9, tables and Voiceover
Hi, The talbes in the layout area is where they belong. The layout area is the whole document, the Body is just ment for text. Thanks for giving me this lead. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 1:18 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > > I've had very little look working with tables in pages. If i insert a > table into the layout area, I can see and edit it. If i insert it > into the body, I have had no luck in working with it in any way. > > On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> Has anyone successfully been using Pages 9 and Voiceover while >> working >> with tables within a document? Can it be done reliably? >> >> BW, Simon >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac support/warranty, does it matter where you buy?
HI, That is for phone support only. Ninety days of phone support are free and then you do need AppleCare, but that can come any time in the first 11 months. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 9:37 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: > Hi, I was told by an apple tech that I only had 90 days to get the > apple care plan. I am not sure if that is the case or not, but that > is only what I was told when I called to try to resaulve a mail > problem. > > Matthew > > > On Jul 17, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> According to a person working at my local Apple Store, you can buy >> it anywhere and it will work internationally, though Apple >> recomends you buy in the country you are living in. Note: AppleCare >> can be bought within the first 11 Months, so you can buy the Mac in >> another country, ship it with its coverage still being covered, and >> then buy AppleCare. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 17-Jul-09, at 11:32 AM, a radix wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I wonder if it is advisable to buy a macbook pro from the appl >>> eonline store or an apple stor ein general or if it is ok to buy >>> one just anywhere? The apple store is not very accessible for me >>> bu tI could order by phone although, of course I would like to >>> find the cheapest place to buy one, lol. I guess apple gives >>> support no matter where you have bought your laptop, as long as it >>> is, for me for example, within th eNetherlands? I also wonder >>> about warranty, is it still only one year standard. I find that >>> kind of meager, in europe most costly stuff like this has standard >>> 2 years, although to be honest some other laptop companies do >>> persist in only giving one year as well. Is it possible to get on >>> site warranty or is it pick up and return or maybe even carry in? >>> >>> Thanks again for all the help, >>> >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: > > Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I > thought it > was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo > between using it on a laptop or a pc... > Greetings, Anouk, > - Original Message - > From: "Victor Tsaran" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > >> >> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option >> keys, >> you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to >> unlock >> them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various >> objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). >> It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of >> time, >> especially if you are a heavy laptop user. >> Good luck, >> Vic >> >> On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. >>> Then you >>> don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover >>> commands. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: > Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I > read > that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a > document for example you need to use the voice key (which is > either > command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but > would > tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single > handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot > slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my > braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. > Greetings, Anouk, > > > >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> --- >> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ >> vick08 >> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com >> --- >> >>> > > > > > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: > 07/17/09 18:00:00 > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, The older ones had them built in. But from what apple wrote on their site, plublically, they have made advances with the Trackpad and VO. REgards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:34 AM, a radix wrote: > > Hey Erik, So there are no macbooks with numpad? Cant you buy an > external > one? I myself have never used a numpad and only need to use the fn > key on my > laptop if I want to turn on/off virtual focus (hal). > btw, do you still use linux/windows or just os x now? > Thanks, > Greetings, Anouk, > - Original Message - > From: "erik burggraaf" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac > take two > hands? > > >> >> Hi Anouk, The numpad is in deed optional, and there really isn't >> that >> much difference between using vo on a laptop or desktop >> configuration. Although having said that, my disgust at not having a >> numpad on my laptop keybord any more and my desire for a right hand >> control key really no know bounds. >> >> Best, >> >> erik burggraaf >> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >> Phone: 888-255-5194 >> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 18-Jul-09, at 8:02 AM, a radix wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I >>> thought it >>> was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference >>> imo >>> between using it on a laptop or a pc... >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Victor Tsaran" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? >>> >>> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. > Then you > don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover > commands. > > CB > > william lomas wrote: >> you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around >> >> On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I >>> read >>> that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, >>> or a >>> document for example you need to use the voice key (which is >>> either >>> command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but >>> would >>> tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single >>> handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a >>> lot >>> slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my >>> braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >> -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>> Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van >>> uitgifte: >>> 07/17/09 18:00:00 >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: > 07/17/09 18:00:00 > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hi, James, I disagree. When working in a primarily Windows network I had no problem accessing all services though my Macbook. It was seemless. I think that AT venders on teh Windows side are greedy for money. Just look at the antics of FS. They sell JFW for twice as much in the UK than in the United States. As far as my opinion is concerned, they have very little inovation left. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 4:13 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > I too would like to read this article. However, competition is a good > thing. We should rmember that Apple is first and foremost a commercial > vender and accessibility is not necessarily at the top of their list > although they have done, and I am sure will continue to do a > fantastic job. > Besides everyone is entitled to their views and the Windows Assistive > Technology developers do in fact have much left to offer the great > majority > of those of us who use Windows. Not least because the vast majority > of the > working world uses Windows . But yes, their products are overly > priced. Very > much so. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "william lomas" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > >> >> you know why? >> because the i phone is way more superior than the pac mate >> let him pay 3000 US dollars or more for it, an i phone is loads >> cheaper and does everything that does? >> can someone send me off list please, the original article he posted? >> >> On 18 Jul 2009, at 11:34, Jude DaShiell wrote: >> >>> >>> Any access technology developer who thinks that way so far as I'm >>> concerned has nothing of any worth left to offer. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Larry Wanger wrote: >>> Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, if enough of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more each year in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any other product and the markets they compete in. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's case, I have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on observations from that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would sit down with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his findings. I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on his position regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, you'd accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving yourself a headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had with a particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of me expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice to see their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a very much "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at the very least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid Mac when you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, the market being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of these folks over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is truly a competitor now and any competition is a threat. On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: Josh, I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. I am more productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could with my Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had terrible luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I have pages of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote this before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear about how he feels. And, like it or not, he's a "leader" if you want to call him that, in the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional sense; I mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest blindness technology providers in the world and with that role comes some responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to speak rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance of being self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the op
Re: pages 9, tables and Voiceover
Hi, When I create a document in word with a table and open it in Pages, the table is embedded in the document. When I create a document in Pages with a table in the lay-out area, I can't find it when I export to and open in Word. So something is different. It seems to me that documents created with Word have such things embedded in the document. On Jul 18, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > The talbes in the layout area is where they belong. The layout area is > the whole document, the Body is just ment for text. Thanks for giving > me this lead. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 18-Jul-09, at 1:18 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> >> I've had very little look working with tables in pages. If i >> insert a >> table into the layout area, I can see and edit it. If i insert it >> into the body, I have had no luck in working with it in any way. >> >> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Listers, >>> >>> Has anyone successfully been using Pages 9 and Voiceover while >>> working >>> with tables within a document? Can it be done reliably? >>> >>> BW, Simon >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could use one for a week before actually purchasing it -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon, I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the iPhone in both French and English. I hope this reassures you a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pages 9, tables and Voiceover
I should also point out that in many of the document templates, I hear "hi-lighted" as I move the insertion point over the document body. That tells me that there are things embedded. Of course I have no idea what they are as "high-lited" doesn't tell me a heck of allot. On Jul 18, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > The talbes in the layout area is where they belong. The layout area is > the whole document, the Body is just ment for text. Thanks for giving > me this lead. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 18-Jul-09, at 1:18 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> >> I've had very little look working with tables in pages. If i >> insert a >> table into the layout area, I can see and edit it. If i insert it >> into the body, I have had no luck in working with it in any way. >> >> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Listers, >>> >>> Has anyone successfully been using Pages 9 and Voiceover while >>> working >>> with tables within a document? Can it be done reliably? >>> >>> BW, Simon >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
This isn't meant to put you off, only the thoughts i've been thinking when wanting an iPhone. What will KNFB Reader users replace the Reader with when moving to the iPhone. I hear there is an app out there for £8 or something (maybe 10 dollas or so) but doesn't that return the results via Email? You may aneed to carry your N82 around with the reader on it anyway so maybe it could be worth holding off or you could end up with two devices that are similar in functionality and needing both. At 00:12 19/07/2009, you wrote: >Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could >use one for a week before actually purchasing it > > >-Original Message- >From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson >Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. >To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > >Hello Simon, > >I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my >iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, >surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using >either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send >text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, >and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the >iPhone in both French and English. > >I hope this reassures you a bit. > >Cheers, > >Anne > > > > >> > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: >270.13.15/2239 - Release Date: 07/15/09 06:07:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
But will it allow you to do everything. Sms mms, email, documents surfing the webb. And the other features that the device has. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:58 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I am a totally blind user and use the iphone quite a bit for work and play. It truly offers accessibility out of the box and it offers accessibility to a wide variety of apps. I will not rave on and on about it lest be considered an iphone enthusiast (wink). Let me just say if you were wondering if a totally blind person can use it both efficiently and effectively the answer is yes. Go get one, use it for a little while and see how you get on. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumping on the itunes store
I don't know the cause other than perhaps a bunch of stuff is updating on the screen. It has nothing to do with the amount of ram etc. I've seen this on a machine with 2Gb and 4Gb. It's annoying, but isn't so bad that one can't put up with it for now, but something that needs to be brought to the attention of accessibil...@apple.com and the good folk who work the iTunes Project. I think it was 8.2 the problem started, but can't figure out why I just hadn't gotten around to saying something. :) Guess I was to busy spending money. :) On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > I've noticed this as well, ever since maybe iTunes 8.2? It started > after one of the updates to iTunes, since we've had access to the > store. It's not the amount of ram in this Mac, as I've got 4 gigs in > it. Not sure what it could be. > On Jul 18, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> I've noticed this, but why I'm not sure unless it is the amount of >> content being loaded into the html area. I just tab over to the find >> area and start typing or just wait until it's done having a fit, >> which >> doesn't last long. I guess I should send a note to accessibil...@apple.com >> about it, but just hadn't gotten to it yet. >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:39 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> hi, when my itunes gains focus on the store voiceover is going i >>> i i >>> i i i i i i i i i i i i tunes store lol >>> why is it doing this lol smile >>> I installed all updates >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Does the I phone's two finger flick read all command work on the new mbps? Thanks in advance. Pete -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Jurgensen Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:45 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: > > Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought > it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference > imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... > Greetings, Anouk, > - Original Message - > From: "Victor Tsaran" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > >> >> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option >> keys, >> you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to >> unlock >> them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various >> objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). >> It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of >> time, >> especially if you are a heavy laptop user. >> Good luck, >> Vic >> >> On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. >>> Then you >>> don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover >>> commands. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: > Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I > read > that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a > document for example you need to use the voice key (which is > either > command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but > would > tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single > handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot > slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my > braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. > Greetings, Anouk, > > > >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> --- >> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ >> vick08 >> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com >> --- >> >>> > > > > > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: > 07/17/09 18:00:00 > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi, Not sure about this as even their own SDKs and apps started deviating from accessibility well before IPhone came on the market. On 7/18/2009 12:52 PM, James & Nash wrote: > > That has been very informative. But I think the reason behind why Noia ahs > not yet done anything like Apple is tht Apple caught them off guard when > they released IPhone. Since then Nokia have been playing catch-up. > - Original Message - > From: "Victor Tsaran" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > >> >> Honest opinion? You can definitely use IPhone because everything you >> touch is spoken to you. So there is really no inherent reason why a >> totally blind person cannot use it. Whether it's efficient is a >> different question. I think this will depend on how good your spatial >> imagination is and how well you remember layouts. The biggest challenge >> for a blind person using IPhone, in my opinion, is being able to >> guess/predict the layout of the screen that you are on. I have already >> found that different applications will place things in different places, >> e.g. tabs, status messages etc. >> >> What I do like about IPhone is the design behind the "home" screen. For >> example, you can place your most important apps such as "search", >> "stocks", "weather", "news" on the "home" screen and access this >> information with just a single click (well, a double tap, to be more >> precise). If Nokia made their widsets accessible, we would be in a much >> happier "camp". But there are no signs of Nokia taking that direction >> any time soon, so Apple is probably your better bet (even if it will >> take another couple of IPhone software updates). >> >> In short, there is nothing better than trying IPhone yourself and seeing >> whether this is an interface for you. Believe me, you will think of your >> Nokia's straightforward navigation quite often when using IPhone. >> >> I will probably use my Nokia for quite a time because of the KNFB Reader >> and WaveFinder for which we do not yet have any equivalents on the IPhone. >> >> Best, >> Vic >> >> On 7/18/2009 9:59 AM, John Panarese wrote: >>> >>>I am totally blind and have no trouble using my iPhone. >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John D. Panarese >>> Managing Director >>> Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. >>> 9 Nolan Court >>> Hauppauge, NY 11788 >>> Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 >>> Email, t...@optonline.net >>> Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com >>> >>> AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, >>> PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, >>> DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED >>> >>> >>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> --- >> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 >> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com >> --- >> >>> > > > > > -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
N82 with knfb reader. And ftalks. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:26 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility simon which s sixty phone do you use? On 18 Jul 2009, at 12:10, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Anne and all: Thank you so much for your responses. You have done it again (smile). Take good care. On Jul 18, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Patrick, > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:44 PM, patrickneazer wrote: >> Another question if I may ... do you happen to know how many >> languages navagon takes advantage of and in your opinion how well do >> the languages function. >> > Navigon is available in the languages of the iPhone and also, > according to the Website, Portuguese, Czech, Polish, Turkish, > Romanian, Slovakian, Greek and Russian (I think most of these are in > fact available on the iPhone. I know it works well in both French and > English. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
medical transcription on the Mac?
Is anyone out there doing medical transcription on the Mac? I have a USB foot pedal, but wonder about word predictors and medical dictionaries and the like. With the Mac's better sound card, I might try transcription again... Curiously, Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: newsreader
Eric I agree, but I sure wish they'd get html support in there. I've bugged them about this, but guess I need to get back to bugging again. I'm forced to use outlook express for one specific situation that html support in Unison would take care of. On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:52 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > Hi, I can't imagine wanting anything but unison for binaries. For > text groups it's a different matter but I tried several solutions on > windows, and none of them gave me the insane rush that unison on the > mac did. It's a file junkie's best friend. > > Best, > > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 18-Jul-09, at 2:43 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi is unison the only accessible newsreader available for the mac? >> or is there one i can buy with paypal? >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Buying from Amazon
Mike, if you want something custom, you will have to order from the Apple store or get the machine and either do your own upgrading or take it to the Apple store. At that point, you might as well just buy it from the Apple store. On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:20 AM, mike reiser wrote: > > Can you get it custom built? I'm asking cause I want to get it with 4 > gigs of ram and a 500 gig drive. > > Mike > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: selling trekker
i HAVE ONE AVAILABLE AS WELL IF ANYONE WANTS IT. Amber Boggs - Original Message - From: May and Wynter To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: Re: selling trekker Hey there. I am selling it for 800 dollars. I have had it for three years and it is sill in good condition. It has the globalsat 338. I am also giving all of Canada and US maps. The card is big enough to hold all of Canada. It also has Meistro. I need to do the sell ASAP. May off to Edmonton Alberta on the 25th. Am I ready to see some people there? - Original Message - From: Alex To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:03 AM Subject: Re: selling trekker Hi, May: I too may have a use for it. Regards, Alex, On Jul 16, 2009, at 10:43 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi May, Which model of trekker is it and what would you like for it? I don't have a use for it personally being extremely happy with mobile geo, but I may know some one who wants one through my contacts as a trainer. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 16-Jul-09, at 9:25 AM, May and Wynter wrote: Ok, I am quite happy with my IPhone and the information it gives me as far as traveling some place so, I'm looking to sell my trekker and maps for the US and Canada. I prefer to try and sell it first in Canada since the transaction can go faster. If you want more information please email me off list, thanks. mcdonald@gmail.com May off to Edmonton Alberta on the 25th. Am I ready to see some people there? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: selling trekker
Hi, For free or how much? Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 6:59 PM, Amber Boggs wrote: > i HAVE ONE AVAILABLE AS WELL IF ANYONE WANTS IT. > > Amber Boggs > - Original Message - > From: May and Wynter > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: selling trekker > > Hey there. I am selling it for 800 dollars. I have had it for three > years and it is sill in good condition. It has the globalsat 338. I > am also giving all of Canada and US maps. The card is big enough to > hold all of Canada. > > It also has Meistro. > > I need to do the sell ASAP. > > May off to Edmonton Alberta on the 25th. > Am I ready to see some people there? > - Original Message - > From: Alex > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: selling trekker > > Hi, > May: > > I too may have a use for it. > Regards, > Alex, > > > On Jul 16, 2009, at 10:43 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Hi May, >> >> Which model of trekker is it and what would you like for it? I >> don't have a use for it personally being extremely happy with >> mobile geo, but I may know some one who wants one through my >> contacts as a trainer. >> >> Best, >> >> erik burggraaf >> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >> Phone: 888-255-5194 >> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 16-Jul-09, at 9:25 AM, May and Wynter wrote: >> >>> Ok, I am quite happy with my IPhone and the information it gives >>> me as far as traveling some place so, I'm looking to sell my >>> trekker and maps for the US and Canada. I prefer to try and sell >>> it first in Canada since the transaction can go faster. >>> >>> If you want more information please email me off list, thanks. >>> >>> mcdonald@gmail.com >>> >>> May off to Edmonton Alberta on the 25th. >>> Am I ready to see some people there? >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I'm also a totally blind iPhone user. It works great, and is far more accessible and efficient than MobileSpeak with Windows Mobile, which I used previously. I recommend joining the VIPhone list at the below link if you want a really good idea of how access is for the totally blind. There are a lot of us using it. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
And go me! I forgot to include the link to the VIPhone list. Brilliant, I am. Here it is. http://googlegroups.com/group/viphone Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, I probalbly will in Snow Leopard given what Apple has made public about it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:05 PM, peter Apgar wrote: > > Does the I phone's two finger flick read all command work on the > new mbps? > > Thanks in advance. > > Pete > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Jurgensen > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:45 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac > take two > hands? > > > Hi, > > It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: > >> >> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I >> thought >> it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference >> imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... >> Greetings, Anouk, >> - Original Message - >> From: "Victor Tsaran" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM >> Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? >> >> >>> >>> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option >>> keys, >>> you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to >>> unlock >>> them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various >>> objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). >>> It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of >>> time, >>> especially if you are a heavy laptop user. >>> Good luck, >>> Vic >>> >>> On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: > you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around > > On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: > >> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I >> read >> that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a >> document for example you need to use the voice key (which is >> either >> command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but >> would >> tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single >> handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot >> slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my >> braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> >> > > > > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ >>> vick08 >>> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com >>> --- >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >> Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: >> 07/17/09 18:00:00 >> >> >>> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Typing takes some getting used to on the iPHone, but it works very well once you get comfortable with it. I'm texting, Twittering, emailing, and all the rest just fine. My most used apps, as far as those which come with the phone, are, in no particular order: Text Messaging Calendar Email Contacts Phone Safari AppStore Clock Of course, I'm using dozens that don't come with the phone, which I obtained from the AppStore. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:25 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. > Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the > features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails > or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two > finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, > email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max > On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. >> :) >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >>> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >>> >>> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >>> totally blind >>> person. >>> >>> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >>> against >>> my Nokia s60 device. >>> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >>> say I'm >>> fixed on it yet. >>> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >>> it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Simonf. >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Actually the link is: http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone lol not as intuitive as Josh's. Hth Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > And go me! I forgot to include the link to the VIPhone list. > Brilliant, I am. Here it is. > > http://googlegroups.com/group/viphone > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >> >> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >> totally blind >> person. >> >> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / >> accessibility against >> my Nokia s60 device. >> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >> say I'm >> fixed on it yet. >> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on >> with it. >> >> Cheers >> >> Simonf. >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
Although it isn't the same as trying it for a week, it is my understanding you have 30 days to cancel the contract and return the iPhone. At least that's what I was told when I asked at an Apple store. I've used one for about an hour in two separate sessions, once in a store and once using a friend's phone. Within that time basic navigation became quite easy. I actually had that down in the first session. I borrowed a friend's phone to try typing again. I got faster in those 30 minutes but at least to me it will take a bit of practice to get as fast as I amon my Windows Mobile phone. That's in no way a criticism of the iPhone. I'm interested enough to probably go do the 30 day deal. The touch aspects of the phone access are compelling to me, assuming the typing can become equivalent. -Original Message- From: Simon Fogarty [mailto:si...@blinky-net.com] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility Thanks again, I'm getting a good feeling about this device, I wish I could use one for a week before actually purchasing it -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2009 11:59 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon, I'm totally blind and no longer young, but I'm gettng on great with my iPhone. I can read mail, compose and send mail, check the weather, surf the Net using Safari, get directions to where I want to go using either Maps or Navigon, listen to music and audio books, read and send text messages, as well as using it for phone calls, of course. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention the calendar and address book. I also use the iPhone in both French and English. I hope this reassures you a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi Anouk, You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB keypad, the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows and with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my laptop without any attachments. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: > >> >> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I >> thought it >> was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo >> between using it on a laptop or a pc... >> Greetings, Anouk, >> - Original Message - >> From: "Victor Tsaran" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM >> Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? >> >> >>> >>> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option >>> keys, >>> you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to >>> unlock >>> them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various >>> objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). >>> It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of >>> time, >>> especially if you are a heavy laptop user. >>> Good luck, >>> Vic >>> >>> On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: > you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around > > On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: > >> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I >> read >> that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a >> document for example you need to use the voice key (which is >> either >> command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but >> would >> tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single >> handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot >> slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my >> braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> >> > > > > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ >>> vick08 >>> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com >>> --- >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >> Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: >> 07/17/09 18:00:00 >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
If I put windows on my mac machine when I get it, do I have to have the keypad tha you are talking about to use windows? May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: "Esther" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > Hi Anouk, > > You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with > Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used > VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB keypad, > the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad > Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows and > with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my > laptop without any attachments. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I >>> thought it >>> was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo >>> between using it on a laptop or a pc... >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Victor Tsaran" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? >>> >>> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. > Then you > don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover > commands. > > CB > > william lomas wrote: >> you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around >> >> On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I >>> read >>> that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a >>> document for example you need to use the voice key (which is >>> either >>> command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but >>> would >>> tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single >>> handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot >>> slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my >>> braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >> -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>> Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: >>> 07/17/09 18:00:00 >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi May, No, you don't need to have a numeric keypad if you want to put Windows on your Mac. The usual issue is that people who put Windows onto curremt Mac laptops using VMWare Fusion end up having to remap the JAWS insert key to another key. On the older Mac laptops which had embedded numeric keypads, you would use the "0" key of the (embedded) number pad. There are a couple of ways to handle key remapping -- either you use a free program called Spark, which is basically a Windows registry hack, and allows you to choose a key from one list view window and map it to another key you select in a second list view to remap, or you can do this under Fusion preferences with a one-time connection to a full-size keyboard, where you physically press the key you want to remap. (The Fusion method works for remapping keys in any operating system -- could be linux, for example). This is only an issue with the Mac laptop setups where you're not using a full-size keyboard, and is easily solved. I don't have Windows installed on my Mac, but there are several other list users who do, and who could answer your questions in more detail. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 17:57, May and Wynter wrote: > > If I put windows on my mac machine when I get it, do I have to have > the > keypad tha you are talking about to use windows? > > May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. > - Original Message - > From: "Esther" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac > take two > hands? > > >> >> Hi Anouk, >> >> You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with >> Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used >> VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB >> keypad, >> the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad >> Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows >> and >> with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my >> laptop without any attachments. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: >>> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: "Victor Tsaran" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option > keys, > you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to > unlock > them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with > various > objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). > It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of > time, > especially if you are a heavy laptop user. > Good luck, > Vic > > On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. >> Then you >> don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover >> commands. >> >> CB >> >> william lomas wrote: >>> you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate >>> around >>> >>> On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: >>> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > -- > > --- > I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ > vick08 > or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com > --- > >> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~-
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello; How dificult was it to set up the first time you used it? Were you able to transfer your existing address book folders and such? Glad to hear you like it. Take care, Max On Jul 18, 2009, at 9:23 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > Typing takes some getting used to on the iPHone, but it works very > well once you get comfortable with it. I'm texting, Twittering, > emailing, and all the rest just fine. > > My most used apps, as far as those which come with the phone, are, > in no particular order: > > Text Messaging > Calendar > Email > Contacts > Phone > Safari > AppStore > Clock > > Of course, I'm using dozens that don't come with the phone, which I > obtained from the AppStore. :) > > > Josh de Lioncourt >…my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:25 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > >> >> Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. >> Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the >> features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails >> or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two >> finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, >> email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. >>> :) >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. > >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Thanks very much. I keep this plus other messages regarding this for future reference. May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: "Esther" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > Hi May, > > No, you don't need to have a numeric keypad if you want to put Windows > on your Mac. The usual issue is that people who put Windows onto > curremt Mac laptops using VMWare Fusion end up having to remap the > JAWS insert key to another key. On the older Mac laptops which had > embedded numeric keypads, you would use the "0" key of the (embedded) > number pad. There are a couple of ways to handle key remapping -- > either you use a free program called Spark, which is basically a > Windows registry hack, and allows you to choose a key from one list > view window and map it to another key you select in a second list view > to remap, or you can do this under Fusion preferences with a one-time > connection to a full-size keyboard, where you physically press the key > you want to remap. (The Fusion method works for remapping keys in any > operating system -- could be linux, for example). This is only an > issue with the Mac laptop setups where you're not using a full-size > keyboard, and is easily solved. > > I don't have Windows installed on my Mac, but there are several other > list users who do, and who could answer your questions in more detail. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 17:57, May and Wynter wrote: > >> >> If I put windows on my mac machine when I get it, do I have to have >> the >> keypad tha you are talking about to use windows? >> >> May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Esther" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:29 PM >> Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac >> take two >> hands? >> >> >>> >>> Hi Anouk, >>> >>> You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with >>> Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used >>> VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB >>> keypad, >>> the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad >>> Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows >>> and >>> with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my >>> laptop without any attachments. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: > > Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I > thought it > was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference > imo > between using it on a laptop or a pc... > Greetings, Anouk, > - Original Message - > From: "Victor Tsaran" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > >> >> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option >> keys, >> you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to >> unlock >> them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with >> various >> objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). >> It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of >> time, >> especially if you are a heavy laptop user. >> Good luck, >> Vic >> >> On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. >>> Then you >>> don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover >>> commands. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: > Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I > read > that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, > or a > document for example you need to use the voice key (which is > either > command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but > would > tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single > handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a > lot > slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my > braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. > Greetings, Anouk, > > > >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> --- >> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ >> vick08 >> or check my sit
