Re: IPhone Wows
I know what you mean and from the little bit I heard on the live demo last night I think and Iphone would be a lot slower for a VI user. I know I go like lightening on my simbion. If they introduce this technology to the IPod touch in the autumn as some people think they might, I'd definitely give that a whirl. Kerry Probably the best kept financial secret in the UK What's it all about www.wiaa.co.uk/186269 -- From: "Victor Tsaran" Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:28 AM To: Subject: Re: IPhone Wows > > I think IPhone 3GS is a wonderful tool for low vision people -- it is > the first truly accessible phone where everything is magnified. I cannot > say that I would cash out for IPhone as a blind user though. But I truly > appreciate Apple's pushing envelope with technology -- this is something > I'd love to see more companies do. > Vic > > On 6/21/2009 10:50 AM, John Denning wrote: >> >> My wife who is a high partial has had an iPhone all along. So we got >> her a new 3GS phone Friday. I've not had a lot of time on it, but have >> had some. So far I'm impressed also. >> >> I need to read some instructions though. I can turn on the Zoom, and >> invert. But I believe there is a way to easily jump between various >> settings. Like is there a gesture to switch between inverted and >> normal? I know how to zoom in and out. >> >> Trying to get my employer to spring for the phone since I'm required >> to have a mobile phone. They one they got me is NOT at all accessible. >> I can make the text a tiny bit larger is all. So get me this real off >> the shelf solution. >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> I played with the iPhone that was on display. Wow, ... I was shocked. >>> It felt like a natural use, expecially in Calculator. >>> >>> I love the phone. >> >> >> > >> > > > -- > > --- > I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 > or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com > --- > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The big obsession with the IPhone 3gS?
Hi all, I am not sure why people are so obsessed with the IPhone 3gS, particularly in the UK since the tarrifs are rediculously priced. The reasons why in my view it is good are •it is the first talking touch-screen IPhone but what else? smile my n eighty 2 cellular telephone in my view is far more superior as •if i want the KNFB reader on it, I can •I have GPS on it •i have a web browser on it etc Also the camera on the IPHone is not as high as that on an n eighty two which is the same price Sorry to be off topic WIll p.s. what is the subscription address for the VI IPhone users discussion group? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: Mobileme and a novice
Begin forwarded message: > From: Simon Cavendish > Date: 25 June 2009 10:20:38 BST > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Mobileme and a novice > > Dear Listers, > > Is there some comprehensive knowledge article or a series of > articles on mobileme? I've just taken out a trial subscription but > I'm not sure from the reading I've done I actually understand its > potential. > > Also, Public folder is a part of mobileme and so the IDisc. I don't > quite understand how they work and whether it is better to have my > public folder password-protected or not? > > Having subscribed to mobileme, I now have an icon on my desktop with > my mobileme ID as title. Does this folder actually reside on my > Macbook, or is it situated somewhere in cloud computing? If it is > somewhere on the internet, is it safe? > > Mobileme interface is not particularly compatible with Voiceover > when accessed through the Internet. Has anyone got any suggestions > or strategies? > > If there's been a discussion on our group on these subjects, can > anyone provide some directions? I feel a bit of a dummy asking such > basic questions but a lot of the stuff on the Internet is full of IT > vocabulary and hence somewhat opaque. > > Thanks for any help. > > With best wishes > > Simon --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mobileme and a novice
Simon, first the iDisk can reside on the machine or not. This is a preference in System Preferences under the Mobile Me tab. Now here are some things to consider. First if you keep a copy of your iDisk on your Mac, you will give up 20Gb of drive space. Since I just use my private iDisk to store stuff, I just copy it by hand and therefore, it isn't using my local drive. Now of course the tradeoff is if you keep the local iDisk on your machine, it will be updated automatically and you would have to take no action to sync stuff. THere again are other ways such as using Backup and that would take care of needing to sync the two disks. Now the public portion of the disk is really up to you if you want to put a password on it. I chose to do so, but I rarely have used it and if I put something out there for someone or a group of people, I don't necessarily want just anyone to have access to it. I know Apple is working on improving the accessibility of the site and it is better than it was, but yes it has a way to go. I don't know of one specific article or series of articles that would answer all of your questions, but I say start with help and maybe do a little searching on Google perhaps and well I'm sure others here will have some answers. On Jun 25, 2009, at 5:24 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Simon Cavendish >> Date: 25 June 2009 10:20:38 BST >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Mobileme and a novice >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> Is there some comprehensive knowledge article or a series of >> articles on mobileme? I've just taken out a trial subscription but >> I'm not sure from the reading I've done I actually understand its >> potential. >> >> Also, Public folder is a part of mobileme and so the IDisc. I don't >> quite understand how they work and whether it is better to have my >> public folder password-protected or not? >> >> Having subscribed to mobileme, I now have an icon on my desktop >> with my mobileme ID as title. Does this folder actually reside on >> my Macbook, or is it situated somewhere in cloud computing? If it >> is somewhere on the internet, is it safe? >> >> Mobileme interface is not particularly compatible with Voiceover >> when accessed through the Internet. Has anyone got any suggestions >> or strategies? >> >> If there's been a discussion on our group on these subjects, can >> anyone provide some directions? I feel a bit of a dummy asking such >> basic questions but a lot of the stuff on the Internet is full of >> IT vocabulary and hence somewhat opaque. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> With best wishes >> >> Simon > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mobileme and a novice
Hi Simon, I will try to give an overview over the MObileMe service First of all, the main settings for MobileMe is found if you go to System Preferences and press the MObileMe button there. You will find settings for the account, sync, iDisk and BackToMyMac. All settings here are fully accessible. The sync settings is for syncing your contact and calender data, your mail prefs and mail boxes, your key chains and other preferences on your Mac so that you can imagine that you have a copy of all this stored in your MobileMe area on the internet, and each time you hook up your Mac, another Mac, an iPhone etc etc. and this unit has your MobileMe username and password set, they will be synced. If you change the data on one place, the same data will be changed on all the other units. Be aware, that you can decide exactly what to sync and what to not sync, so you have full control here. You can sync the data manually or automatically. Enough about sync for now... The iDisk is just like a home folder on the internet. It contains all the folders you know so well from your home folder, like Documents, Pictures, Movies, Music, Public etc. etc. If you like, you can organize your data the same way you organize them on your Mac, with the difference that you can access your data from anywhere. The idea is that you can browse your data just like if you browse in Finder. The public folder is the only folder that is available to other people. The rest of your data is secure, only accessible with your username and password, but the content you put in the public folder, may be accessed via internet - either with a separate password if you decide it to be setup that way - or open to anyone that knows your username, if you decide it to be setup that way. The password you choose should be different than your MobileMe password, since you may give it to friends, co-workers etc etc. Finally, you can use your iDisk in two different ways on your Mac. If you check a checkbox in your MobilMe/iDisk preferences named "keep a local copy" or something like that, your Mac will create a disk image stored locally on your Mac, so that you can access your iDisk data on your Mac, even when you are not connected to internet. If you use iDisk this way, the content on the disk image will be automatically synced with the content on internet. You may call this an automatic backup of your work, and if you would like a local backup, you can simply drag a copy of the disk image over to an external drive. You asked about the image on your desktop, and here is the answer; if you do not run a local copy of iDisk, this drive is actually the iDisk on internet. If you use the alternative with a local synced copy of your iDisk, this will be the local drive, and the backup is processed in the background. BackToMyMac is simply a way to reach your Mac from anywhere on the internet in a safe and quick way. You can reach your Mac at home from your Mac at work much easier than with other methods. Nothing of this part of the service, depends on the web interface. You can control all this right from your Mac. Sorry for a long explanation, but I currently do not have a link to documentation here. The staff at the MobileMe service, is however very nice and quick in their response, so if you find the support link on www.me.com - they might be able to help you even better. HOpe this was at least of some help. ;-) Take care, John André On 25. juni. 2009, at 11.24, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Simon Cavendish >> Date: 25 June 2009 10:20:38 BST >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Mobileme and a novice >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> Is there some comprehensive knowledge article or a series of >> articles on mobileme? I've just taken out a trial subscription but >> I'm not sure from the reading I've done I actually understand its >> potential. >> >> Also, Public folder is a part of mobileme and so the IDisc. I don't >> quite understand how they work and whether it is better to have my >> public folder password-protected or not? >> >> Having subscribed to mobileme, I now have an icon on my desktop >> with my mobileme ID as title. Does this folder actually reside on >> my Macbook, or is it situated somewhere in cloud computing? If it >> is somewhere on the internet, is it safe? >> >> Mobileme interface is not particularly compatible with Voiceover >> when accessed through the Internet. Has anyone got any suggestions >> or strategies? >> >> If there's been a discussion on our group on these subjects, can >> anyone provide some directions? I feel a bit of a dummy asking such >> basic questions but a lot of the stuff on the Internet is full of >> IT vocabulary and hence somewhat opaque. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> With best wishes >> >> Simon > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~---
Re: IPhone Wows
I think that whether we love it or hate it, touch screen technology is going to become more prevalent as time passes, and the blind community in general terms will have to adapt as a basic requirement now that the technology is becoming accessible. This reminds me of when we went from a commandline interface to a gui. I myself went kicking and screaming at the time as I recall but as I accustomed myself to the changes I learned to deal with them in a way that permitted me to continue productivity. On 24-Jun-09, at 11:28 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote: > > I think IPhone 3GS is a wonderful tool for low vision people -- it is > the first truly accessible phone where everything is magnified. I > cannot > say that I would cash out for IPhone as a blind user though. But I > truly > appreciate Apple's pushing envelope with technology -- this is > something > I'd love to see more companies do. > Vic > > On 6/21/2009 10:50 AM, John Denning wrote: >> >> My wife who is a high partial has had an iPhone all along. So we got >> her a new 3GS phone Friday. I've not had a lot of time on it, but >> have >> had some. So far I'm impressed also. >> >> I need to read some instructions though. I can turn on the Zoom, and >> invert. But I believe there is a way to easily jump between various >> settings. Like is there a gesture to switch between inverted and >> normal? I know how to zoom in and out. >> >> Trying to get my employer to spring for the phone since I'm required >> to have a mobile phone. They one they got me is NOT at all >> accessible. >> I can make the text a tiny bit larger is all. So get me this real off >> the shelf solution. >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> I played with the iPhone that was on display. Wow, ... I was >>> shocked. >>> It felt like a natural use, expecially in Calculator. >>> >>> I love the phone. >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > > --- > I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 > or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com > --- > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
trackpad
hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the IPhone to control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on certain types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad
only multi-touch track pads are able to be used in this application. A lot of the gestures described are multi touch such as the rotor and even flicking...Hi will As I understand things from the feature set, On 25-Jun-09, at 7:36 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the IPhone to > control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on certain > types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? > will > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad
I think you have to have the trackpad. Simon On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:36, william lomas wrote: > > hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the IPhone to > control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on certain > types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? > will > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The big obsession with the IPhone 3gS?
You sure you want to subscribe Will? haha. Kerry Probably the best kept financial secret in the UK What's it all about www.wiaa.co.uk/186269 -- From: "william lomas" Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:01 AM To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind" Subject: The big obsession with the IPhone 3gS? > > Hi all, > > > I am not sure why people are so obsessed with the IPhone 3gS, > particularly in the UK since the tarrifs are rediculously priced. > The reasons why in my view it is good are > •it is the first talking touch-screen IPhone > but what else? smile > my n eighty 2 cellular telephone in my view is far more superior as > •if i want the KNFB reader on it, I can > •I have GPS on it > •i have a web browser on it > etc > > Also the camera on the IPHone is not as high as that on an n eighty > two which is the same price > Sorry to be off topic > WIll > > p.s. what is the subscription address for the VI IPhone users > discussion group? > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad
dumb question perhaps, but I'm assuming the multitouch trackpads are quite a recent thing? I've got a 2.4 ghz mbp here from a few years back, assuming that won't be supported? On 6/25/09, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > I think you have to have the trackpad. Simon > On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:36, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the IPhone to >> control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on certain >> types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? >> will >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad
My next computer will probably be a Mac but I was thinking an iMac or Minny. It'd be nice if Apple produced a trackpad in place of the mouse. At 12:56 25/06/2009, you wrote: >dumb question perhaps, but I'm assuming the multitouch trackpads are >quite a recent thing? I've got a 2.4 ghz mbp here from a few years >back, assuming that won't be supported? > >On 6/25/09, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > > > I think you have to have the trackpad. Simon > > On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:36, william lomas wrote: > > > >> > >> hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the IPhone to > >> control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on certain > >> types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? > >> will > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >06/22/09 06:54:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Some first impressions with the iphone
My wife who is low vision has one, has all along. I spent a few hours yesterday working with it, under VO. At first I had a time with the keyboard. But then the more I used it the better I got. And when I turned on key echo I really improved. I have BIG hands, and fat thumbs. But really started doing OK on the keyboard. Only place I had a problem and I think this may have been a bug. I was able to create a new note. But I could not go back and edit a note. Never could get the text entry to come up. Said to dbl tap to edit, never would open for edit. But I did searches, added notes, edited the text I just entered, sent an email, and modified settings. All using only VO. I LOVE LOVE it. Now I'd like an enterprising developer to make a simple app that I can toggle between sets of settings. Say a set with no Accessibility, one with Zoom and Invert, and one with VO. An app that I can have on the home page easily reached so I don't have to drill down in the settings. On Jun 21, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Jed Barton wrote: > Hey guys, > Anyone else on here gotten the new iphone? > Here are some of my first impressions. I in all fairness have to > play with > it more in a quieter place. > Coming from smart phone world where you have a keyboard, I really > was not > that impressed with it. > It probably takes some getting use to, but the touch screen is a > killer. > If it had an actual keyboard it would probably be easier.\ > I just found that trying to type messages was hard cause you can > lose your > place quite easily. > Anyone else try it out? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad
Oh it is possible a future keyboard may include or take the place of a standard keyboard. You just never know what is going to come out of that place. On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > My next computer will probably be a Mac but I was thinking an iMac or > Minny. It'd be nice if Apple produced a trackpad in place of the > mouse. > > At 12:56 25/06/2009, you wrote: > >> dumb question perhaps, but I'm assuming the multitouch trackpads are >> quite a recent thing? I've got a 2.4 ghz mbp here from a few years >> back, assuming that won't be supported? >> >> On 6/25/09, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>> >>> I think you have to have the trackpad. Simon >>> On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:36, william lomas wrote: >>> hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the IPhone to control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on certain types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? will > >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >> 06/22/09 06:54:00 > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone Wows
I for one embrace any new technology because I see it as a challenge and a way to learn something new. Additionally, I also see this as an opportunity to find new ways to leverage technology for bettering the lives of others. I was not so sure initially about the whole gui deal, but I quickly discovered that both the command line and gui offered distinct enhancements to my productivity. So, you just have to give it a chance. On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:39 AM, kaare dehard wrote: > > I think that whether we love it or hate it, touch screen technology is > going to become more prevalent as time passes, and the blind community > in general terms will have to adapt as a basic requirement now that > the technology is becoming accessible. > > This reminds me of when we went from a commandline interface to a gui. > I myself went kicking and screaming at the time as I recall but as I > accustomed myself to the changes I learned to deal with them in a way > that permitted me to continue productivity. > > On 24-Jun-09, at 11:28 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote: > >> >> I think IPhone 3GS is a wonderful tool for low vision people -- it is >> the first truly accessible phone where everything is magnified. I >> cannot >> say that I would cash out for IPhone as a blind user though. But I >> truly >> appreciate Apple's pushing envelope with technology -- this is >> something >> I'd love to see more companies do. >> Vic >> >> On 6/21/2009 10:50 AM, John Denning wrote: >>> >>> My wife who is a high partial has had an iPhone all along. So we got >>> her a new 3GS phone Friday. I've not had a lot of time on it, but >>> have >>> had some. So far I'm impressed also. >>> >>> I need to read some instructions though. I can turn on the Zoom, and >>> invert. But I believe there is a way to easily jump between various >>> settings. Like is there a gesture to switch between inverted and >>> normal? I know how to zoom in and out. >>> >>> Trying to get my employer to spring for the phone since I'm required >>> to have a mobile phone. They one they got me is NOT at all >>> accessible. >>> I can make the text a tiny bit larger is all. So get me this real >>> off >>> the shelf solution. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 20, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> I played with the iPhone that was on display. Wow, ... I was shocked. It felt like a natural use, expecially in Calculator. I love the phone. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> --- >> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ >> vick08 >> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com >> --- >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Ipod touch 3g?
Hello I am not usually a person who likes to predict the future, but it would seem logical to me that, given the enormous popularity of the IPhone 3gS, that the IPOD touch 3g will be available hopefully by the end of the year. From what I understand, an IPod touch is meerly an IPhone minus the phone portions and camera. If so this wil solve the problem for those of us who want a touch screen device with web browsing, facebook, email, skype, calendar, voice recognition etc. but who do not wish to have a phone, for whatever reasons. Thoughts? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad
I'm mainly asking because afterreading the new features list in Snow Leopard the trackpad jestures with VO seem to be quite a big step in possibly speeding up a few commands. I wonder if desktop users using VO would be slightly left behind. At 13:58 25/06/2009, you wrote: >Oh it is possible a future keyboard may include or take the place of a >standard keyboard. You just never know what is going to come out of >that place. >On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > > > > My next computer will probably be a Mac but I was thinking an iMac or > > Minny. It'd be nice if Apple produced a trackpad in place of the > > mouse. > > > > At 12:56 25/06/2009, you wrote: > > > >> dumb question perhaps, but I'm assuming the multitouch trackpads are > >> quite a recent thing? I've got a 2.4 ghz mbp here from a few years > >> back, assuming that won't be supported? > >> > >> On 6/25/09, Simon Cavendish wrote: > >>> > >>> I think you have to have the trackpad. Simon > >>> On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:36, william lomas wrote: > >>> > > hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the > IPhone to > control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on > certain > types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? > will > > > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: > >> 06/22/09 06:54:00 > > > > > > > > > >> > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >06/22/09 06:54:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ipod touch 3g?
The Touch seems much more affordable too. It won't be called the 3G though as with it not being a phone it won't receive 3G signals. At 14:35 25/06/2009, you wrote: > Hello > > >I am not usually a person who likes to predict the future, but it >would seem logical to me that, given the enormous popularity of the >IPhone 3gS, that the IPOD touch 3g will be available hopefully by the >end of the year. > From what I understand, an IPod touch is meerly an IPhone minus the >phone portions and camera. If so this wil solve the problem for those >of us who want a touch screen device with web browsing, facebook, >email, skype, calendar, voice recognition etc. but who do not wish to >have a phone, for whatever reasons. >Thoughts? >Will > > >> > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >06/22/09 06:54:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone Wows
My manager and I went over to the ATT store yesterday to play with 3GS for the first time. We probably fiddled for about 30 minutes and within that time could do quite a bit of basic stuff. The first snag was getting VO turned on which required sighted assistance since the phones were cabled down at a kiosk and not hooked up to iTunes on a desktop. On another podcast there was a question about whether Apple has some kind of voice command to turn VO on but nobody knew if it existed or what it was. That said, once VO was on it took a little bit to get the hang of three finger flicking and to realize that double tap meant to hold on the thing you want to action and then tap with another finger. We also had to be careful with making sure we didn't hold the phone totally horizontal as sometimes it would flip into portrait mode, moving everything around. Typing was a bit difficult but improved as time went by such that it seemed like it would become quite usable given some practice. 30 minutes or so wasn't enough but it was already getting easier. Main thing was that the keys were very small in portrait so putting a thumb down flat covered several keys. Finger tips worked much better but finger nails didn't work. We actually launched a random 3rd party app called Dictionary which was already on the phone and it worked just fine, which was a nice touch since it probably predates VO on the iPhone. One snag was that when deleting characters in a text box it wasn't always obvious what characters were about to be deleted, but maybe we missed some cues in the somewhat noisy store. Anyway, it seems very positive that in only a short bit of fiddling around the universal access interface was usable and we could get stuff done. CB Victor Tsaran wrote: > I think IPhone 3GS is a wonderful tool for low vision people -- it is > the first truly accessible phone where everything is magnified. I cannot > say that I would cash out for IPhone as a blind user though. But I truly > appreciate Apple's pushing envelope with technology -- this is something > I'd love to see more companies do. > Vic > > On 6/21/2009 10:50 AM, John Denning wrote: > >> My wife who is a high partial has had an iPhone all along. So we got >> her a new 3GS phone Friday. I've not had a lot of time on it, but have >> had some. So far I'm impressed also. >> >> I need to read some instructions though. I can turn on the Zoom, and >> invert. But I believe there is a way to easily jump between various >> settings. Like is there a gesture to switch between inverted and >> normal? I know how to zoom in and out. >> >> Trying to get my employer to spring for the phone since I'm required >> to have a mobile phone. They one they got me is NOT at all accessible. >> I can make the text a tiny bit larger is all. So get me this real off >> the shelf solution. >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> >>> I played with the iPhone that was on display. Wow, ... I was shocked. >>> It felt like a natural use, expecially in Calculator. >>> >>> I love the phone. >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad
Maybe there is a multitouch USB trackpad that would be supported. CB Dean Wilcox wrote: > I'm mainly asking because afterreading the new features list in Snow > Leopard the trackpad jestures with VO seem to be quite a big step in > possibly speeding up a few commands. I wonder if desktop users using > VO would be slightly left behind. > > At 13:58 25/06/2009, you wrote: > > >> Oh it is possible a future keyboard may include or take the place of a >> standard keyboard. You just never know what is going to come out of >> that place. >> On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: >> >> >>> My next computer will probably be a Mac but I was thinking an iMac or >>> Minny. It'd be nice if Apple produced a trackpad in place of the >>> mouse. >>> >>> At 12:56 25/06/2009, you wrote: >>> >>> dumb question perhaps, but I'm assuming the multitouch trackpads are quite a recent thing? I've got a 2.4 ghz mbp here from a few years back, assuming that won't be supported? On 6/25/09, Simon Cavendish wrote: > I think you have to have the trackpad. Simon > On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:36, william lomas wrote: > > >> hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the >> IPhone to >> control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on >> certain >> types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? >> will >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: 06/22/09 06:54:00 >>> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >> 06/22/09 06:54:00 >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Strange Safari bug...
Hi list: I'm running the latest Safari update and I've just encountered a strange bug. This is the 1ST time I've experienced and problems with any of the Safari versions. When I try to access the apple store from the apple.ca site, Safari crashes. Anyone else experience this? What's a possible fix? Thanks: Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone Wows
Actually the type of tap where you put one finger down and tap with the other is a split tap. Double tap litterly means tap with two fingers and there is a oh rhythm to it if you will. All and all it really sounds impressive and I can't wait to get my grubby hands on one. :) On Jun 25, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > My manager and I went over to the ATT store yesterday to play with > 3GS for the first time. We probably fiddled for about 30 minutes and > within that time could do quite a bit of basic stuff. The first snag > was getting VO turned on which required sighted assistance since the > phones were cabled down at a kiosk and not hooked up to iTunes on a > desktop. On another podcast there was a question about whether Apple > has some kind of voice command to turn VO on but nobody knew if it > existed or what it was. That said, once VO was on it took a little > bit to get the hang of three finger flicking and to realize that > double tap meant to hold on the thing you want to action and then > tap with another finger. We also had to be careful with making sure > we didn't hold the phone totally horizontal as sometimes it would > flip into portrait mode, moving everything around. Typing was a bit > difficult but improved as time went by such that it seemed like it > would become quite usable given some practice. 30 minutes or so > wasn't enough but it was already getting easier. Main thing was that > the keys were very small in portrait so putting a thumb down flat > covered several keys. Finger tips worked much better but finger > nails didn't work. We actually launched a random 3rd party app > called Dictionary which was already on the phone and it worked just > fine, which was a nice touch since it probably predates VO on the > iPhone. One snag was that when deleting characters in a text box it > wasn't always obvious what characters were about to be deleted, but > maybe we missed some cues in the somewhat noisy store. Anyway, it > seems very positive that in only a short bit of fiddling around the > universal access interface was usable and we could get stuff done. > > CB > > Victor Tsaran wrote: >> >> I think IPhone 3GS is a wonderful tool for low vision people -- it is >> the first truly accessible phone where everything is magnified. I >> cannot >> say that I would cash out for IPhone as a blind user though. But I >> truly >> appreciate Apple's pushing envelope with technology -- this is >> something >> I'd love to see more companies do. >> Vic >> >> On 6/21/2009 10:50 AM, John Denning wrote: >> >>> My wife who is a high partial has had an iPhone all along. So we got >>> her a new 3GS phone Friday. I've not had a lot of time on it, but >>> have >>> had some. So far I'm impressed also. >>> >>> I need to read some instructions though. I can turn on the Zoom, and >>> invert. But I believe there is a way to easily jump between various >>> settings. Like is there a gesture to switch between inverted and >>> normal? I know how to zoom in and out. >>> >>> Trying to get my employer to spring for the phone since I'm required >>> to have a mobile phone. They one they got me is NOT at all >>> accessible. >>> I can make the text a tiny bit larger is all. So get me this real >>> off >>> the shelf solution. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 20, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>> I played with the iPhone that was on display. Wow, ... I was shocked. It felt like a natural use, expecially in Calculator. I love the phone. >>> >> >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad
Perhaps initially, but there is always a possibility that some form of trackpad or new type of keyboard will be introduced. I have no clue of what may or may not be coming down the road, but it seems to me there is two possibilities. One being the jesters are going to be really intended for touch screen devices, such as the iPhone, perhaps iPod Touch, and maybe a tablet machine and then the more conventional input methods of keyboards and the like for desktop machines. And then of course laptops, which sort of fall in between both segments if you will. Of course I'm merely speculating and thus talking out of a specific orifice, but not afraid to admit it. :) Speculation is half the fun. On Jun 25, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > I'm mainly asking because afterreading the new features list in Snow > Leopard the trackpad jestures with VO seem to be quite a big step in > possibly speeding up a few commands. I wonder if desktop users using > VO would be slightly left behind. > > At 13:58 25/06/2009, you wrote: > >> Oh it is possible a future keyboard may include or take the place >> of a >> standard keyboard. You just never know what is going to come out of >> that place. >> On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: >> >>> >>> My next computer will probably be a Mac but I was thinking an iMac >>> or >>> Minny. It'd be nice if Apple produced a trackpad in place of the >>> mouse. >>> >>> At 12:56 25/06/2009, you wrote: >>> dumb question perhaps, but I'm assuming the multitouch trackpads are quite a recent thing? I've got a 2.4 ghz mbp here from a few years back, assuming that won't be supported? On 6/25/09, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > I think you have to have the trackpad. Simon > On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:36, william lomas wrote: > >> >>hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the >> IPhone to >> control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on >> certain >> types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? >> will >> >>> > > >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: 06/22/09 06:54:00 >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >> 06/22/09 06:54:00 > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Desktop Control over the Internet
Hi all: I just had to receive some support over the internet, from Audible. Of course, through all the exceptings, I had to download an applit. After finishing the support, I can't seem to find that applit anywhere. Should I be concerned? For those that haven't used it, It's some what VO accessible, just make sure you click the last button over to enable. The buttons are not announced . It was a guess and it worked. The live assistant chat on the audible site is full accessible. Mike LOL --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad
Hi, Not a chance. You can already purchase external Trackpads for Lappies and esktops alike. Regards, Alex, On 25-Jun-09, at 8:05 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > I'm mainly asking because afterreading the new features list in Snow > Leopard the trackpad jestures with VO seem to be quite a big step in > possibly speeding up a few commands. I wonder if desktop users using > VO would be slightly left behind. > > At 13:58 25/06/2009, you wrote: > >> Oh it is possible a future keyboard may include or take the place >> of a >> standard keyboard. You just never know what is going to come out of >> that place. >> On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: >> >>> >>> My next computer will probably be a Mac but I was thinking an iMac >>> or >>> Minny. It'd be nice if Apple produced a trackpad in place of the >>> mouse. >>> >>> At 12:56 25/06/2009, you wrote: >>> dumb question perhaps, but I'm assuming the multitouch trackpads are quite a recent thing? I've got a 2.4 ghz mbp here from a few years back, assuming that won't be supported? On 6/25/09, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > I think you have to have the trackpad. Simon > On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:36, william lomas wrote: > >> >>hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the >> IPhone to >> control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on >> certain >> types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? >> will >> >>> > > >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: 06/22/09 06:54:00 >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >> 06/22/09 06:54:00 > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: trackpad
Yes put those trackpad are not multi touch track pads and so will not work with VO. Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > Not a chance. You can already purchase external Trackpads for Lappies > and esktops alike. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 25-Jun-09, at 8:05 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: > >> >> I'm mainly asking because afterreading the new features list in Snow >> Leopard the trackpad jestures with VO seem to be quite a big step in >> possibly speeding up a few commands. I wonder if desktop users using >> VO would be slightly left behind. >> >> At 13:58 25/06/2009, you wrote: >> >>> Oh it is possible a future keyboard may include or take the place >>> of a >>> standard keyboard. You just never know what is going to come out of >>> that place. >>> On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: >>> My next computer will probably be a Mac but I was thinking an iMac or Minny. It'd be nice if Apple produced a trackpad in place of the mouse. At 12:56 25/06/2009, you wrote: > dumb question perhaps, but I'm assuming the multitouch trackpads > are > quite a recent thing? I've got a 2.4 ghz mbp here from a few > years > back, assuming that won't be supported? > > On 6/25/09, Simon Cavendish > wrote: >> >> I think you have to have the trackpad. Simon >> On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:36, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> hi i read in snowleopard one can use the jestures as in the >>> IPhone to >>> control the mac will this work on a macbook or or is only on >>> certain >>> types of macs, that have the multitouch trackpad? >>> will >>> >> >> >>> >> > >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: > 06/22/09 06:54:00 > >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >>> 06/22/09 06:54:00 >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Strange Safari bug...
Hello, This is a known problem. Use Webkit's nightly builds. The store works just fine if you access it with Webkit. Dan On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Mike wrote: > > Hi list: > > I'm running the latest Safari update and I've just encountered a > strange bug. > This is the 1ST time I've experienced and problems with any of the > Safari versions. > When I try to access the apple store from the apple.ca site, Safari > crashes. > Anyone else experience this? What's a possible fix? > > Thanks: > > Mike > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Safari Is Critically Broken
Hi, Dear accessibility team et al: I am the web accessibility consultant for my organization. One of the developers frought it to my attention that VoiceOver and Safari 4.x have problems associating labels with elements in forms, particularily the text input fields. Further research revealed that about 90% of the site which was nearly all accessible has been lost because the text fields all lost their labels with Voiceover. Text cases also revealed that VoiceOver requires a "title" attribute in a text input field to label it, such as on http://labs.google.com/accessible/ . I can appreciate why this is done, because it gives better customizing of field labels, but unfortunately, when none is present, VO does not fall back to labels as expected. Is there anything I can do to remedy this? Regards, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Subscribing to this mailinglist
Hi. I'm really sorry to ask this question again, since it has ben answered before. A friend of mine has just asked me how to join this mailinglist. I went to www.macvisionaries.com to find out, because I have forgot how to do it. Then I saw that the site has totally changed to the Google groups interface, and now I can't find any information about the mailinglist on the website. So how does someone join this mailinglist? Please answer me off the list to avoid spamming the list with answers which has already been answered before. I've searched on Google, but I didn't got any useful results... Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Subscribing to this mailinglist
A quick (5 second) brouse of www.macvisionaries.com yeelds a link intitled "apply for group membership" which directs to https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?passive=true&service=groups2&continue=http%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fmacvisionaries%2Fsubscribe%3Fnote%3D1&cd=US&hl=en On 25/06/2009, Søren Jensen wrote: > > Hi. > > I'm really sorry to ask this question again, since it has ben answered > before. > A friend of mine has just asked me how to join this mailinglist. I > went to www.macvisionaries.com to find out, because I have forgot how > to do it. Then I saw that the site has totally changed to the Google > groups interface, and now I can't find any information about the > mailinglist on the website. So how does someone join this mailinglist? > Please answer me off the list to avoid spamming the list with answers > which has already been answered before. > I've searched on Google, but I didn't got any useful results... > Best regards > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > > > > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone Wows
next time you go in, tap twice quickly with three fingers. this turns voice over on and off. Pete _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:19 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone Wows My manager and I went over to the ATT store yesterday to play with 3GS for the first time. We probably fiddled for about 30 minutes and within that time could do quite a bit of basic stuff. The first snag was getting VO turned on which required sighted assistance since the phones were cabled down at a kiosk and not hooked up to iTunes on a desktop. On another podcast there was a question about whether Apple has some kind of voice command to turn VO on but nobody knew if it existed or what it was. That said, once VO was on it took a little bit to get the hang of three finger flicking and to realize that double tap meant to hold on the thing you want to action and then tap with another finger. We also had to be careful with making sure we didn't hold the phone totally horizontal as sometimes it would flip into portrait mode, moving everything around. Typing was a bit difficult but improved as time went by such that it seemed like it would become quite usable given some practice. 30 minutes or so wasn't enough but it was already getting easier. Main thing was that the keys were very small in portrait so putting a thumb down flat covered several keys. Finger tips worked much better but finger nails didn't work. We actually launched a random 3rd party app called Dictionary which was already on the phone and it worked just fine, which was a nice touch since it probably predates VO on the iPhone. One snag was that when deleting characters in a text box it wasn't always obvious what characters were about to be deleted, but maybe we missed some cues in the somewhat noisy store. Anyway, it seems very positive that in only a short bit of fiddling around the universal access interface was usable and we could get stuff done. CB Victor Tsaran wrote: I think IPhone 3GS is a wonderful tool for low vision people -- it is the first truly accessible phone where everything is magnified. I cannot say that I would cash out for IPhone as a blind user though. But I truly appreciate Apple's pushing envelope with technology -- this is something I'd love to see more companies do. Vic On 6/21/2009 10:50 AM, John Denning wrote: My wife who is a high partial has had an iPhone all along. So we got her a new 3GS phone Friday. I've not had a lot of time on it, but have had some. So far I'm impressed also. I need to read some instructions though. I can turn on the Zoom, and invert. But I believe there is a way to easily jump between various settings. Like is there a gesture to switch between inverted and normal? I know how to zoom in and out. Trying to get my employer to spring for the phone since I'm required to have a mobile phone. They one they got me is NOT at all accessible. I can make the text a tiny bit larger is all. So get me this real off the shelf solution. On Jun 20, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: I played with the iPhone that was on display. Wow, ... I was shocked. It felt like a natural use, expecially in Calculator. I love the phone. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone Wows
Have you used one yet? The future of p d a phones is definatly touch screen. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone Wows I think IPhone 3GS is a wonderful tool for low vision people -- it is the first truly accessible phone where everything is magnified. I cannot say that I would cash out for IPhone as a blind user though. But I truly appreciate Apple's pushing envelope with technology -- this is something I'd love to see more companies do. Vic On 6/21/2009 10:50 AM, John Denning wrote: > > My wife who is a high partial has had an iPhone all along. So we got > her a new 3GS phone Friday. I've not had a lot of time on it, but have > had some. So far I'm impressed also. > > I need to read some instructions though. I can turn on the Zoom, and > invert. But I believe there is a way to easily jump between various > settings. Like is there a gesture to switch between inverted and > normal? I know how to zoom in and out. > > Trying to get my employer to spring for the phone since I'm required > to have a mobile phone. They one they got me is NOT at all accessible. > I can make the text a tiny bit larger is all. So get me this real off > the shelf solution. > > > On Jun 20, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> I played with the iPhone that was on display. Wow, ... I was shocked. >> It felt like a natural use, expecially in Calculator. >> >> I love the phone. > > > > > -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone Wows
See, actually, I love switch to GUI interfaces the minute they came on. I mean, I still do command-line when I have to but this is not for leisure. Do agree with you about touch screens though. We can't avoid them -- this is why I applaud Apple for their efforts. I was just pointing out that I didn't think this interface is as efficient for us as the keyboard. On 6/25/2009 4:39 AM, kaare dehard wrote: > > I think that whether we love it or hate it, touch screen technology is > going to become more prevalent as time passes, and the blind community > in general terms will have to adapt as a basic requirement now that > the technology is becoming accessible. > > This reminds me of when we went from a commandline interface to a gui. > I myself went kicking and screaming at the time as I recall but as I > accustomed myself to the changes I learned to deal with them in a way > that permitted me to continue productivity. > > On 24-Jun-09, at 11:28 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote: > >> >> I think IPhone 3GS is a wonderful tool for low vision people -- it is >> the first truly accessible phone where everything is magnified. I >> cannot >> say that I would cash out for IPhone as a blind user though. But I >> truly >> appreciate Apple's pushing envelope with technology -- this is >> something >> I'd love to see more companies do. >> Vic >> >> On 6/21/2009 10:50 AM, John Denning wrote: >>> >>> My wife who is a high partial has had an iPhone all along. So we got >>> her a new 3GS phone Friday. I've not had a lot of time on it, but >>> have >>> had some. So far I'm impressed also. >>> >>> I need to read some instructions though. I can turn on the Zoom, and >>> invert. But I believe there is a way to easily jump between various >>> settings. Like is there a gesture to switch between inverted and >>> normal? I know how to zoom in and out. >>> >>> Trying to get my employer to spring for the phone since I'm required >>> to have a mobile phone. They one they got me is NOT at all >>> accessible. >>> I can make the text a tiny bit larger is all. So get me this real off >>> the shelf solution. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 20, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> I played with the iPhone that was on display. Wow, ... I was shocked. It felt like a natural use, expecially in Calculator. I love the phone. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> --- >> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 >> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com >> --- >> >>> > > > > > -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
