Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression
On 2013-10-28 19:22, Federico Leoni wrote: > 2013/10/28 Nio Wiklund : >> On 2013-10-28 19:07, Federico Leoni wrote: >> >> Maybe you test the tarball, and when it needs no more tweaking, I'll >> make a combo img.xz file with the OBI + the Lubuntu 13.10 OEM tarball. >> > > Agree. Let me test the tarball then you'll add to the OBI dd image. > >> Phill joined at the detailed level. I'm not sure how it became private, >> but it is about small details, so I guess it's not really interesting >> for the whole community. What do you think? >> > > Yep, don't need to report any line of code you change. > > Wow, the will to start to write again some script is returning... > > F. > Hi Federico, I have uploaded a tarball of Lubuntu 13.10 OEM to phillw.net now. The uploading was quite fast. Let me know if your download speed is good enough, or if I need to upload it to my google drive account too! md5sum: 973b776baaf9ef45989b49b3ad748eab tarballs/Lubuntu_13.10oem-oct28-testing.tar.xz Good luck testing it :-) Best regards Nio -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression
2013/10/29 Nio Wiklund : > On 2013-10-28 19:22, Federico Leoni wrote: >> 2013/10/28 Nio Wiklund : >>> On 2013-10-28 19:07, Federico Leoni wrote: >>> >>> Maybe you test the tarball, and when it needs no more tweaking, I'll >>> make a combo img.xz file with the OBI + the Lubuntu 13.10 OEM tarball. >>> >> >> Agree. Let me test the tarball then you'll add to the OBI dd image. >> >>> Phill joined at the detailed level. I'm not sure how it became private, >>> but it is about small details, so I guess it's not really interesting >>> for the whole community. What do you think? >>> >> >> Yep, don't need to report any line of code you change. >> >> Wow, the will to start to write again some script is returning... >> >> F. >> > Hi Federico, > > I have uploaded a tarball of Lubuntu 13.10 OEM to phillw.net now. The > uploading was quite fast. Let me know if your download speed is good > enough, or if I need to upload it to my google drive account too! > > md5sum: > 973b776baaf9ef45989b49b3ad748eab > tarballs/Lubuntu_13.10oem-oct28-testing.tar.xz > > Good luck testing it :-) > > Best regards > Nio > Good morning Nio, this time the download was fast enough, 1MB/s. Will test today ASAP. F. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression
2013/10/29 Federico Leoni : > 2013/10/29 Nio Wiklund : >> On 2013-10-28 19:22, Federico Leoni wrote: >>> 2013/10/28 Nio Wiklund : On 2013-10-28 19:07, Federico Leoni wrote: Maybe you test the tarball, and when it needs no more tweaking, I'll make a combo img.xz file with the OBI + the Lubuntu 13.10 OEM tarball. >>> >>> Agree. Let me test the tarball then you'll add to the OBI dd image. >>> Phill joined at the detailed level. I'm not sure how it became private, but it is about small details, so I guess it's not really interesting for the whole community. What do you think? >>> >>> Yep, don't need to report any line of code you change. >>> >>> Wow, the will to start to write again some script is returning... >>> >>> F. >>> >> Hi Federico, >> >> I have uploaded a tarball of Lubuntu 13.10 OEM to phillw.net now. The >> uploading was quite fast. Let me know if your download speed is good >> enough, or if I need to upload it to my google drive account too! >> >> md5sum: >> 973b776baaf9ef45989b49b3ad748eab >> tarballs/Lubuntu_13.10oem-oct28-testing.tar.xz >> >> Good luck testing it :-) >> >> Best regards >> Nio >> > Good morning Nio, > > this time the download was fast enough, 1MB/s. > Will test today ASAP. > > F. Nio, I ended now my test on Lubuntu_13.10oem-oct28-testing.tar.xz. Installation was done on the oldest notebook I have, Dell C400 P3 866 with 768mb ram and was completed in less than 15 min via USB 1.1. On reboot I've found the classic icon for oem setup and all went well. Test I have done: - Reboot to close OEM procedure - Configuration of the system locale, language and keyboard for my needs; - Installation of drivers for Broadcom wifi card (b43), various programs using synaptic and software center, download of Chrome via Firefox.; - apt update and upgrade - generic testing My obs: 1. When I've installed the old tarball of 13.10 (Lubuntu_13.10oct18.tar.xz) I was pleasantly surprised that my intel integrated (i830 running on i915 drv) worked out of the box without blank screen or system freeze. Installing he new tarball Lubuntu_13.10oem-oct28-testing.tar.xz I'm back to reality: you put a configured xorg.conf on /etc/X11/ folder to use the UXA accelmethod, the same I use. Anyway this configuration isn't present on the new tarball so it's just a simple annotation. 2. On first reboot there are some words not translated in English but are in Swedish, your natural language I suppose. Look at the day on the clock to see what I mean. Starting to create the tarball from a pure English install will solve it. :) 3. Oem setup is ready but we need to analyze the situation here... Am I the end user or the OEM? I know, kind of confusing but let me explain: If I am the end user what I need is just the final configuration, like when I turn on from the very first time a new Windows installed by OEM (Dell, HP, Acer...). Need to choose language if available and personal preference and I'll be ready to use my computer. If on the other hand I am the OEM then your tarball is ready, I can configure or add all I need then close the procedure and ship the machine ready to start with the final step. Last thing: did you changed the background on lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf? The default should be 1310-lubuntu-default-wallpaper.png but strangely is lubuntu-default-wallpaper.png. Let me know what you think. F. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression
Hi Federico, See replies inline and at the end. Best regards/Nio On 2013-10-29 17:59, Federico Leoni wrote: > 2013/10/29 Federico Leoni : >> 2013/10/29 Nio Wiklund : >>> On 2013-10-28 19:22, Federico Leoni wrote: 2013/10/28 Nio Wiklund : > On 2013-10-28 19:07, Federico Leoni wrote: > > Maybe you test the tarball, and when it needs no more tweaking, I'll > make a combo img.xz file with the OBI + the Lubuntu 13.10 OEM tarball. > Agree. Let me test the tarball then you'll add to the OBI dd image. > Phill joined at the detailed level. I'm not sure how it became private, > but it is about small details, so I guess it's not really interesting > for the whole community. What do you think? > Yep, don't need to report any line of code you change. Wow, the will to start to write again some script is returning... F. >>> Hi Federico, >>> >>> I have uploaded a tarball of Lubuntu 13.10 OEM to phillw.net now. The >>> uploading was quite fast. Let me know if your download speed is good >>> enough, or if I need to upload it to my google drive account too! >>> >>> md5sum: >>> 973b776baaf9ef45989b49b3ad748eab >>> tarballs/Lubuntu_13.10oem-oct28-testing.tar.xz >>> >>> Good luck testing it :-) >>> >>> Best regards >>> Nio >>> >> Good morning Nio, >> >> this time the download was fast enough, 1MB/s. >> Will test today ASAP. >> >> F. > > Nio, > > I ended now my test on Lubuntu_13.10oem-oct28-testing.tar.xz. > Installation was done on the oldest notebook I have, Dell C400 P3 866 > with 768mb ram and was completed in less than 15 min via USB 1.1. > On reboot I've found the classic icon for oem setup and all went well. > > Test I have done: > - Reboot to close OEM procedure > - Configuration of the system locale, language and keyboard for my needs; > - Installation of drivers for Broadcom wifi card (b43), various > programs using synaptic and software center, download of Chrome via > Firefox.; > - apt update and upgrade > - generic testing > > My obs: > 1. When I've installed the old tarball of 13.10 > (Lubuntu_13.10oct18.tar.xz) I was pleasantly surprised that my intel > integrated (i830 running on i915 drv) worked out of the box without > blank screen or system freeze. Installing he new tarball > Lubuntu_13.10oem-oct28-testing.tar.xz I'm back to reality: you put a > configured xorg.conf on /etc/X11/ folder to use the UXA accelmethod, > the same I use. Anyway this configuration isn't present on the new > tarball so it's just a simple annotation. That's right. I can add it, if you think it will not destroy the graphics for some other graphics card. > 2. On first reboot there are some words not translated in English but > are in Swedish, your natural language I suppose. Look at the day on > the clock to see what I mean. Starting to create the tarball from a > pure English install will solve it. :) Good catch. I'd never notice that. As a matter of fact, I started with English, but the installer found automatically my time zone ... Maybe I have to ask someone in England of the United States to make the tarball according to my recipe ;-) Well, I'll change the time zone manually and see if that will remove the glitch. > 3. Oem setup is ready but we need to analyze the situation here... Am > I the end user or the OEM? > I know, kind of confusing but let me explain: > If I am the end user what I need is just the final configuration, like > when I turn on from the very first time a new Windows installed by OEM > (Dell, HP, Acer...). Need to choose language if available and personal > preference and I'll be ready to use my computer. > If on the other hand I am the OEM then your tarball is ready, I can > configure or add all I need then close the procedure and ship the > machine ready to start with the final step. I think I understand, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to make it completely end-user ready by clicking on the button in the top left corner before making the tarball. Would you suggest that I do? Or that there are two versions; the current one for OEM tweaks, and a completely end-user ready version? > Last thing: did you changed the background on > lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf? The default should be > 1310-lubuntu-default-wallpaper.png but strangely is > lubuntu-default-wallpaper.png. I selected the blue wooden wall. (I used the same name of the symbolic link, but it is pointing to another file.) Do you suggest, that I should use the default image? > > Let me know what you think. > > F. > -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression
Quick reply without quote: 1. Better leave the xorg config completely automated. I fear it will cause troubles on system with different GPU . 2. Try to force another geo location or install without network up. 3. I'm on the dark side of OEM. I prefer tarball as is but it's a thing that we need to analyze more deeply in the future. The wallpaper story let me think on customization, I mean, you added some goodies to your tarball on the past like htop or ubuntu tweak. If yours tarball are aimed for a specific target you can put what you want. If you want to share a "pure" *ubuntu then you need to stay to stock. Your call. F. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression
Hi Federico and other Lubuntu Users, See replies inline and at the end. Best regards/Nio On 2013-10-29 18:33, Federico Leoni wrote: > Quick reply without quote: > > 1. Better leave the xorg config completely automated. I fear it will > cause troubles on system with different GPU . OK, so without UXA. Maybe I can supply a text file with the template in the home directory of the OEM user. > 2. Try to force another geo location or install without network up. Yes. > 3. I'm on the dark side of OEM. I prefer tarball as is but it's a > thing that we need to analyze more deeply in the future. Well, do you think it is hard for end users to understand, that they should click on that button at the top left corner of the desktop? And would it be worth providing two versions? > The wallpaper story let me think on customization, I mean, you added > some goodies to your tarball on the past like htop or ubuntu tweak. If > yours tarball are aimed for a specific target you can put what you > want. If you want to share a "pure" *ubuntu then you need to stay to > stock. Your call. I chose to add some improvements that I prefer to use. One reason is that there is no limit set by the size of the iso file to fit on a CD, so it does not cost much to add a few packages and tweaks. Here is a list of what I added. *Everybody: Please give feedback about these tweaks* OEM TT alias touchpad-toggle alias rm='rm -i' the grub menu is shown (not hidden in a single boot system) lxterminal in autostart (for the OEM user) changed permissions of /media/oem to improve access to automounted devices (for the OEM user) alias l='ls -l' (for the OEM user) template in fstab to uncomment for floppy htop fake-PAE wooden-wall (changed default background) ubuntu-tweak lubuntu-restricted-extras pulseaudio pavucontrol If there is an opinion to provide a pure Lubuntu 13.10 system without tweaks (only the OEM feature), I will make such a system. By the way, I have also considered providing a Lubuntu tarball with xubuntu-desktop installed, so a Lubuntu-Xubuntu tarball. > F. > -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression
Well Nio, you put a lot of questions for a project born to be a super-simple installer that is already working fine. This means, at least for me, that we are ready to enter into phase two of the project. Good. Using the xorg.conf is not a good idea because is obsolete but can override a configuration without problems. Nvidia drivers are still using it. Anyway putting the UXA setting on a xorg.conf on a machine with Nvidia GPU seems to not harm the system. Would be interesting if someone from the dev team gave infos about it. As already told you the OEM point is more complicated. Try to think as the end user, even if average: you installed with OBI the system and after a reboot you don't see your distro up and running but you stand in front of a desktop with a terminal window, and you don't know why because there isn't instruction for this. You need to click an icon then reboot again, assuming you will not configure more deeply, to start the real configuration of the machine. Ok, if you have create yourself the OBI drive then you probably know what your are doing, but keep it simple is always a good thing. Put on startup for OEM user leafpad opening a text file with simples instruction will help for sure. Again I prefer the tarball as is now, but you know, an user coming from XP might be scared because he is not prepared to work on a terminal. This kind of persons are my target, I want to let them discover the new environment slowly. My opinion, obviously. Providing two version of OEM setup would be dispersive, but again it's up to you. Even if I prefer standard install, I like the customization you did, especially, lubuntu-restricted-extras, pulseaudio, pavucontrol. Normally I add them myself. Alias are good but the simple user will never use them. I didn't liked the grub setup, I prefer it hidden when just on single boot. The wallpaper is the unique visual customization you made, I prefer the stock one, expecially on lightdm. Have a pure Lubuntu OEM will be the natural step to follow when OBI will become more popular. Speaking of xfce desktop I'm interested in testing it on such an old machine. Let me know. F. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression
On 2013-10-29 23:11, Federico Leoni wrote: > Well Nio, you put a lot of questions for a project born to be a > super-simple installer that is already working fine. This means, at > least for me, that we are ready to enter into phase two of the > project. Good. > > Using the xorg.conf is not a good idea because is obsolete but can > override a configuration without problems. Nvidia drivers are still > using it. Anyway putting the UXA setting on a xorg.conf on a machine > with Nvidia GPU seems to not harm the system. Would be interesting if > someone from the dev team gave infos about it. OK, no UXA. > As already told you the OEM point is more complicated. Try to think as > the end user, even if average: you installed with OBI the system and > after a reboot you don't see your distro up and running but you stand > in front of a desktop with a terminal window, and you don't know why > because there isn't instruction for this. You need to click an icon > then reboot again, assuming you will not configure more deeply, to > start the real configuration of the machine. Ok, if you have create > yourself the OBI drive then you probably know what your are doing, but > keep it simple is always a good thing. Put on startup for OEM user > leafpad opening a text file with simples instruction will help for > sure. I think this convinced me to make the system ready for the end user (skipping the oem-stage). Would there still be a need for an open text file with simple instructions? In that case, what instructions? > Again I prefer the tarball as is now, but you know, an user coming > from XP might be scared because he is not prepared to work on a > terminal. This kind of persons are my target, I want to let them > discover the new environment slowly. My opinion, obviously. > Providing two version of OEM setup would be dispersive, but again it's > up to you. > > Even if I prefer standard install, I like the customization you did, > especially, lubuntu-restricted-extras, pulseaudio, pavucontrol. > Normally I add them myself. > Alias are good but the simple user will never use them. > I didn't liked the grub setup, I prefer it hidden when just on single boot. I made grub visible because it makes it easier to add boot options, if necessary for the boot to complete successfully. But it is ugly and it is a tweak, so not pure Lubuntu. > The wallpaper is the unique visual customization you made, I prefer > the stock one, expecially on lightdm. The wallpaper could make the pure Lubuntu and the tweaked version different visually. > Have a pure Lubuntu OEM will be the natural step to follow when OBI > will become more popular. > > Speaking of xfce desktop I'm interested in testing it on such an old > machine. Let me know. xubuntu-precise.tar.xz is already among the uploaded tarballs. Try it in a computer that copes with precise or wait for the Saucy version :-) > F. > -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression
2013/10/29 Nio Wiklund : > On 2013-10-29 23:11, Federico Leoni wrote: > > I think this convinced me to make the system ready for the end user > (skipping the oem-stage). > > Would there still be a need for an open text file with simple > instructions? In that case, what instructions? If you skip the oem-stage then no instructions are needed. The OEM installer is easy to follow. > The wallpaper could make the pure Lubuntu and the tweaked version > different visually. I agree with you. > xubuntu-precise.tar.xz > > is already among the uploaded tarballs. Try it in a computer that copes > with precise or wait for the Saucy version :-) Then I'm out. Precise was always full of issues on my notebook. I think I'll install Xfce desktop on Lubuntu 13.10 just to see how it runs on such an old machine. You know, watch competitors is always a good thing. :) F. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression
On 2013-10-30 00:59, Federico Leoni wrote: > 2013/10/29 Nio Wiklund : >> On 2013-10-29 23:11, Federico Leoni wrote: >> >> I think this convinced me to make the system ready for the end user >> (skipping the oem-stage). >> >> Would there still be a need for an open text file with simple >> instructions? In that case, what instructions? > > If you skip the oem-stage then no instructions are needed. The OEM > installer is easy to follow. OK >> The wallpaper could make the pure Lubuntu and the tweaked version >> different visually. > > I agree with you. > >> xubuntu-precise.tar.xz >> >> is already among the uploaded tarballs. Try it in a computer that copes >> with precise or wait for the Saucy version :-) > > Then I'm out. Precise was always full of issues on my notebook. I > think I'll install Xfce desktop on Lubuntu 13.10 just to see how it > runs on such an old machine. You know, watch competitors is always a > good thing. :) Yes, that's a good idea :-) > F. > -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
