[Lubuntu-qa] PPC - Ran out of space on /boot -- is this a bug?

[Charlie Ford]

I'm not sure if this is a bug or not, but I'm not doing anything specific
with having extra kernels or custom kernels, but by just doing updates like
normal I've ran out of space. I manually removed unnecessary kernels to
free up space. Could this be a bug in the installer? Not giving enough room
to kernel space?

current ppc build, 14" iBook G4

Thanks folks!

Charlie
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] PPC - Ran out of space on /boot -- is this a bug?

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi,

one of the things that grub-legacy can do is limit the number of old
kernels it keeps around. I've not seen this functionality in grub-2 and I
manually remove the old kernel entries. I'm not sure if one of the "tweak"
utilities can do this more easily.

Regards,

Phill.

On 16 April 2013 18:09, Charlie Ford  wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is a bug or not, but I'm not doing anything specific
> with having extra kernels or custom kernels, but by just doing updates like
> normal I've ran out of space. I manually removed unnecessary kernels to
> free up space. Could this be a bug in the installer? Not giving enough room
> to kernel space?
>
> current ppc build, 14" iBook G4
>
> Thanks folks!
>
> Charlie
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [PPC] USB boot on PowerMac G5

[Str8bs]

Just to close this out in case anyone else has same hardware.
First gen G5 1.6, usb stick in uppermost usb port on the back.
 boot /ht@0,pci@f200/pci@4/usb@b/disk@1:2,\install\yaboot

-Original Message-
From: Str8bs [mailto:str8bsli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:41 AM
To: '∅'
Cc: 'lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net'
Subject: RE: [Lubuntu-qa] [PPC] USB boot on PowerMac G5

wxl,

The latest:
iMac G3 600 - 4.1.9
This USB boots Raring ISO fine. Using boot usb1/disk@1,2\\yaboot or boot 
/pci@f200/usb@19/disk@1:2,\\yaboot . (On this machine alias usb0 is 
bottom/lower port, usb1 is top/upper port.)

PowerMac G5 1.6  - 5.1.5 f2
It seems the paths changed in the later G5 firmware.  I can see the disk at 
something like /ht@0,f200/pci@4/usb@1,b/disk@1 but haven't figured out a 
way to get to it. :(

For now, I will work on booting FireWire hard disk. Will be faster for ISO 
testing purposes anyway and  I don't have any DVD-RW handy.

Also after some searching, the "wrong partition error" I mentioned is 
apparently common and nothing to worry about.

Thanks,
Str8

From: maps.backw...@gmail.com [mailto:maps.backw...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ø
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:03 PM
To: Str8bs
Cc: lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [PPC] USB boot on PowerMac G5

I need to put this on the wiki but the fact is Open Firmware is buggy and 
inconsistent. There are some generalities, though. What version is being used 
on these machines? 
wxl
On Apr 10, 2013 3:25 PM, "Str8bs"  wrote:
Hi,

Anyone have success on this hardware? I know the DD'd usb stick is good because 
I can boot it on a G3 iMac via Open Firmware using both the alias and full OF 
path. There must be something different in the G5 OF I'm missing.

Alternatively, If I DD a testing ISO to an SATA hard drive using the same 
method for USB, I should be able to boot that via Firewire?

This is a Raring daily I'm testing. Haven't gone back to earlier ISO's to see 
if they were any different. I do see an error when booting the G3 that I don't 
recall seeing before, but still boots and installs fine.  From memory, 
something like: "Wrong partition map. Apple_HFS should be ApplePartitionMap"

Thanks,
Str8



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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [ppc] Re: Was lubuntu/daily/ size larger than stated Now netboot testcase

[Str8bs]

Phil,

I realize you weren't asking me, but the "install grub boot loader" step 
doesn't currently apply.
(yet? Fedora is moving to grub2 on PPC. :) I'm NOT attempting to open that can 
of worms. :) )
I expect most PPC users are aware of yaboot vs. grub anyway.

? It may be useful for some to add as optional tests PXE Boot (from the 
network) and Desktop similar to AMD64 cases 1504 and 1501?
I can confirm minimal install succeeds both from tftp boot(from the network) 
and booting the mini.iso directly on last week's ISO(228) on 32bit PPC.
I plan to retest current 32 and 64 bit over the coming weekend.

Regards,
Str8

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[mailto:lubuntu-qa-bounces+str8bslinux=gmail@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf 
Of Phill Whiteside
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:28 AM
To: carsrcoffin...@yahoo.com
Cc: lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [ppc] Re: lubuntu/daily/ size larger than stated

I did recently do some tweaking on the test cases, can you check to see if test 
case 1499 is correct for mini-iso / netboot for the ppc image (I know the text 
states 1386/amd64)

Regards,

Phill.
On 13 April 2013 05:01, ∅  wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:40:18 -0500
prairie zephyr  wrote:

> I mention this because I have been 'testing' the ppc images when I can.
so first off, you gotta check the wiki, as two possible solutions exists there:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#The_iso_is_too_big_for_a_CD.2C_what_can_I_do.3F
the mini is technically not compatible with the testcase, but maybe we should 
consider rewriting the testcase to deal with this since it seems to happen far 
too often for words.

> My G3 iBook has a dvd drive that now only reads cds? and G4 is cd only so I 
> was hoping 719M would fit on my largest cdrw: it can 711M.
711 ain't standard. you may be mistaken about the actual capacity of your disk:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-ROM#Capacity

> If anyone in the ppc world knows how to circumvent the ppc USB boot problem
the bummer is that there is no such thing as "the" ppc USB boot problem. there 
are many and they're very inconsistent. openfirmware is so buggy it's not even 
funny. anyways, you're not alone in this problem and there's pretty much 
nothing you can do.

keep on trying, though! i'm still bent on getting my g3 going even though i 
can't get the bloody thing to boot a darn cd let alone usb. i will beat open 
firmware. and when i do, the whole world will know. anyways, just keep doing 
the best you can. we all appreciate it!

wxl

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] ppc USB boot

[Str8bs]

Prairie Zephyr,

I speculate many USB PPC boot troubles come from confusion because of two
factors:
1. default devalias names change across different firmware versions and
later versions include the disk in the alias path.
(IE: usb@1/disk@1:2 vs UD:2, etc. ) Some don't even have an alias for the
USB unless you create it yourself.
2. Depending on how the stick was formatted before the DD, there can be
trouble finding the "blessed" partition.

I theorize the process could possibly be simplified with an instruction set
that focused on using the full open firmware and file paths.
This would mean a longer boot command for the end user, but fewer steps to
get there and a more "universal" approach.
If you are still interested in attempting a Wiki, I can outline the steps
and take some Open Firmware screenshots to better illustrate what I mean.
(I'm terrible at  instruction documentation.)

Maybe we could then get some people to test the instruction set to see if it
is valid?

Regards,
Str8

-Original Message-
From: prairie zephyr [mailto:prairie_zep...@shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:43 PM
To: Str8bs
Cc: lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: ppc USB boot [Lubuntu-qa] 

Thanks! I'd heard rumours of usb boot workarounds before but never
the recipe.
I've done lots of firewire target mac installing (saved me a couple
of times) but got nowhere aiming Linux ISOs at mounted FW targets trying
from OSX Mtn Lion, getting less Unix all the time.
G4/5 = Leopard-max / G3 Tiger-max, ppc needs Linux or die. These ATI
cards are useless for video but 1.42 & 1.25 GHz are still half-decent
machines, G5s can still do some heavy lifting. My G3 is more like toy
status; I just reinstalled OS9 after a LVM install claimed ownership: what a
blast from the past! (y2k) lol  All this info gives me incentive to try
again to get the DVD-less testing, do what I can to keep ppc demand for
distros alive - wish I'd gotten the 13.04 radeon cards tested in time to
file better bug reports ...next time, thanks again


On 2013-04-12, at 2:26 PM, Str8bs  wrote:

> ..Regarding graphics. IMHO, that problem is somewhat self-propagated 
> by the PPC community in general downloading Xorg.conf workarounds or 
> disabling drivers instead of letting developers know that PPC users 
> exist and care by filing and following up on bug reports.
> 
Yes + Mac had <5% of the market in ppc era - they're not the
target PCs are 4 Linux

> For creating the bootable USB, I always do it from within Linux and 
> don't use the hdiutil stuff.
> **CAUTION** dd will overwrite/destroy anything after the "of=" and it 
> won't ask if you are sure first.
> Make sure you are writing to your USB stick.
> 1. sudo fdisk -l and note the location of your USB stick. Will be 
> something like /dev/sdb (or /dev/sdc, etc.) 2. sudo dd 
> if=/Downloads/Whatever/nameofyourdownloaded.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M; 
> sync Where if=the path to your ISO download and of= the path to your 
> USB stick.
> 
> **The following is specific to PPC.
> 
> Booting. I've never tried a G4 and haven't succeeded on G5 yet. I'll 
> try a better detail later, but for now this is on a G3:
> (Note: early G3's that do NOT have a firewire port generally do not 
> support USB boot either.) 1. Hold  at power on.
> 2. without quotes "dev / ls" and enter 3. You are looking at a tree 
> view of the path. Note that anything indented will have a "parent" 
> above it. In other words, to get the whole path you have to look at 
> the lines above.
> 4. Verify you can "see" inside the disk using dir and the path you noted.
> Example: /pci@f200/usb@19/disk@1:2,\ 5. Once you see a directory 
> listing, Just change it to "boot 
> /pci@f200/usb@19/disk@1:2,\\yaboot" where the path matches yours.
> 
> You can also type "devalias" to get a list of short names and use 
> those instead. The PPC FAQ has more on that.
> 
> Alternate method for booting oversize ISO's if you have more than one 
> FireWire equipped Mac and one has DVD/SuperDrive.
> You can use that Mac as an external DVD drive. "Backwards Target Mode"
> 1. Put your burned DVD/DVD-RW in the MAC with DVD drive.
> 2. Put it in "Target Mode" by holding down "t" at power on.
> 3. Connect FireWire cable between that Mac and the one you are 
> installing to.
> 4. Boot this second Mac holding the alt key. You should see the DVD in 
> the other Mac as a boot option.
> 5. Select it and click the right arrow.
> *Note. The installer will see the hard drives in BOTH Mac's. Make sure 
> you pick the correct one to install on.
> *Never install Linux TO a target, but only FROM. Unlike OSX, it is 
> important the installer detects hardware on the machine it will be booting
from.
> I've only tested this using a first gen G5 as the "external target 
> mode drive" installing to a G3.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Str8
> 
> From: Lubuntu-qa
> [mailto:lubuntu-qa-bounces+str8bslinux=gmail@lists.launchpad.net] 
> On Behalf Of prairie zephyr

[Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test - via live image

[Lance]

Just to catch everyone up on the basics; beginning with Maverick ubiquity began 
offering an upgrade path that's quite different than both the standard upgrade 
via the update-mangler or via the alternate image.

Basically, based on my own experience, this option will only be offered if you 
have only one Ubuntu based distro installed. So if you're multi-booting two or 
more Ubuntu based distros (like Xubuntu and Lubuntu) you'll never see it, but I 
have still seen the option if I'm dual-booting with either Windows or Fedora.

Anyway if you look at Upgrade Lubuntu on the QA Tracker you'll now see two 
tests:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases

The one that's called "Upgrade (image)" is the one I'm talking about ;^)

So what's the problem?

Well, having it lumped into standard upgrade testing you first see this page 
where it says, "This build is valid for a week, starting on 2013/04/12 at 21:00 
UTC and finishing on 2013/04/19 at 21:00 UTC.":

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases/1498/results

You can of course read more on the testcase specific page:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1498/info

So I'm thinking that this live-image upgrade test should actually be moved from 
the "Upgrade Lubuntu" section to the Desktop images tests  but I'm 
just thinking out loud ATM.

That's why I'm not filing a bug against the tracker, I felt it best to have an 
open discussion before doing so. Particularly since this is something rather 
new to most testers.

Lance


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test - via live image

[Lance]

Just thought to add;

If we move it to the desktop image testing it should possibly be "optional" 
rather than "mandatory".

But my original point, which I did a poor job of explaining, is that upgrading 
via the live image is very much dependent on the date the image was produced 
rather than a "weekly" cycle :^)

Lance

--- On Tue, 4/16/13, Lance  wrote:

> From: Lance 
> Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test - via live image
> To: "Nicholas Skaggs" , 
> lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net
> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 9:41 PM
> Just to catch everyone up on the
> basics; beginning with Maverick ubiquity began offering an
> upgrade path that's quite different than both the standard
> upgrade via the update-mangler or via the alternate image.
> 
> Basically, based on my own experience, this option will only
> be offered if you have only one Ubuntu based distro
> installed. So if you're multi-booting two or more Ubuntu
> based distros (like Xubuntu and Lubuntu) you'll never see
> it, but I have still seen the option if I'm dual-booting
> with either Windows or Fedora.
> 
> Anyway if you look at Upgrade Lubuntu on the QA Tracker
> you'll now see two tests:
> 
> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases
> 
> The one that's called "Upgrade (image)" is the one I'm
> talking about ;^)
> 
> So what's the problem?
> 
> Well, having it lumped into standard upgrade testing you
> first see this page where it says, "This build is valid for
> a week, starting on 2013/04/12 at 21:00 UTC and finishing on
> 2013/04/19 at 21:00 UTC.":
> 
> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases/1498/results
> 
> You can of course read more on the testcase specific page:
> 
> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1498/info
> 
> So I'm thinking that this live-image upgrade test should
> actually be moved from the "Upgrade Lubuntu" section to the
> Desktop images tests  but I'm just thinking out
> loud ATM.
> 
> That's why I'm not filing a bug against the tracker, I felt
> it best to have an open discussion before doing so.
> Particularly since this is something rather new to most
> testers.
> 
> Lance
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] ppc USB boot

[∅]

fantastic idea! let's do it!

wxl

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:31:38 -0500
"Str8bs"  wrote:

> Prairie Zephyr,
> 
> I speculate many USB PPC boot troubles come from confusion because of two
> factors:
> 1. default devalias names change across different firmware versions and
> later versions include the disk in the alias path.
> (IE: usb@1/disk@1:2 vs UD:2, etc. ) Some don't even have an alias for the
> USB unless you create it yourself.
> 2. Depending on how the stick was formatted before the DD, there can be
> trouble finding the "blessed" partition.
> 
> I theorize the process could possibly be simplified with an instruction set
> that focused on using the full open firmware and file paths.
> This would mean a longer boot command for the end user, but fewer steps to
> get there and a more "universal" approach.
> If you are still interested in attempting a Wiki, I can outline the steps
> and take some Open Firmware screenshots to better illustrate what I mean.
> (I'm terrible at  instruction documentation.)
> 
> Maybe we could then get some people to test the instruction set to see if it
> is valid?
> 
> Regards,
> Str8
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: prairie zephyr [mailto:prairie_zep...@shaw.ca] 
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:43 PM
> To: Str8bs
> Cc: lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: ppc USB boot [Lubuntu-qa] 
> 
>   Thanks! I'd heard rumours of usb boot workarounds before but never
> the recipe.
>   I've done lots of firewire target mac installing (saved me a couple
> of times) but got nowhere aiming Linux ISOs at mounted FW targets trying
> from OSX Mtn Lion, getting less Unix all the time.
>   G4/5 = Leopard-max / G3 Tiger-max, ppc needs Linux or die. These ATI
> cards are useless for video but 1.42 & 1.25 GHz are still half-decent
> machines, G5s can still do some heavy lifting. My G3 is more like toy
> status; I just reinstalled OS9 after a LVM install claimed ownership: what a
> blast from the past! (y2k) lol  All this info gives me incentive to try
> again to get the DVD-less testing, do what I can to keep ppc demand for
> distros alive - wish I'd gotten the 13.04 radeon cards tested in time to
> file better bug reports ...next time, thanks again
> 
> 
> On 2013-04-12, at 2:26 PM, Str8bs  wrote:
> 
> > ..Regarding graphics. IMHO, that problem is somewhat self-propagated 
> > by the PPC community in general downloading Xorg.conf workarounds or 
> > disabling drivers instead of letting developers know that PPC users 
> > exist and care by filing and following up on bug reports.
> > 
>   Yes + Mac had <5% of the market in ppc era - they're not the
> target PCs are 4 Linux
> 
> > For creating the bootable USB, I always do it from within Linux and 
> > don't use the hdiutil stuff.
> > **CAUTION** dd will overwrite/destroy anything after the "of=" and it 
> > won't ask if you are sure first.
> > Make sure you are writing to your USB stick.
> > 1. sudo fdisk -l and note the location of your USB stick. Will be 
> > something like /dev/sdb (or /dev/sdc, etc.) 2. sudo dd 
> > if=/Downloads/Whatever/nameofyourdownloaded.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M; 
> > sync Where if=the path to your ISO download and of= the path to your 
> > USB stick.
> > 
> > **The following is specific to PPC.
> > 
> > Booting. I've never tried a G4 and haven't succeeded on G5 yet. I'll 
> > try a better detail later, but for now this is on a G3:
> > (Note: early G3's that do NOT have a firewire port generally do not 
> > support USB boot either.) 1. Hold  at power on.
> > 2. without quotes "dev / ls" and enter 3. You are looking at a tree 
> > view of the path. Note that anything indented will have a "parent" 
> > above it. In other words, to get the whole path you have to look at 
> > the lines above.
> > 4. Verify you can "see" inside the disk using dir and the path you noted.
> > Example: /pci@f200/usb@19/disk@1:2,\ 5. Once you see a directory 
> > listing, Just change it to "boot 
> > /pci@f200/usb@19/disk@1:2,\\yaboot" where the path matches yours.
> > 
> > You can also type "devalias" to get a list of short names and use 
> > those instead. The PPC FAQ has more on that.
> > 
> > Alternate method for booting oversize ISO's if you have more than one 
> > FireWire equipped Mac and one has DVD/SuperDrive.
> > You can use that Mac as an external DVD drive. "Backwards Target Mode"
> > 1. Put your burned DVD/DVD-RW in the MAC with DVD drive.
> > 2. Put it in "Target Mode" by holding down "t" at power on.
> > 3. Connect FireWire cable between that Mac and the one you are 
> > installing to.
> > 4. Boot this second Mac holding the alt key. You should see the DVD in 
> > the other Mac as a boot option.
> > 5. Select it and click the right arrow.
> > *Note. The installer will see the hard drives in BOTH Mac's. Make sure 
> > you pick the correct one to install on.
> > *Never install Linux TO a target, but only FROM. Unlike OSX, it is 
> > important the installer detects hardware on the machine it 

[Lubuntu-qa] alternate w/o network incorrectly configuring mirrors

[∅]

a week or so ago i did an alternate install with no network. it carried on like 
normal and i had no problems.

today, using 20130416, selecting the option to not configure the network at 
this time leads to the installer asking to select a mirror. if a mirror is 
selected, it then attempts to connect to it, which fails. game over.

did something change? i can't imagine so because i can install desktop without 
a network. 

it sure would be ideal to not have it be this way. not everyone has access to 
ethernet and those that don't can't always access wifi readily (read: b43). 
busybox (alternate's shell) doesn't have the capacity a standard shell would 
and so it's difficult to get around this latter issue, for example.

any thoughts?

wxl

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[Lubuntu-qa] reliably get persistence to work

[∅]

i've had some trouble getting persistence going but i've been persistent in 
getting it going and balloons has been kind in offering help. since i managed 
to succeed, he asked me to post it up on the list for everyone else.

so first, format with gparted or parted if you prefer. don't bother with 
gnome-disks. consistently problematic.

then open it up in unetbootin. usb-creator does something it doesn't: calculate 
the maximum amount of persistence space, but it doesn't tend to work, so forget 
about it. that being said, when you set your persistence amount, make sure to 
be careful about the size of the iso and the size of the disk.

beyond that, if you have trouble booting it, look in bios for a hard drive boot 
option. my usb was listed there and i just needed to prioritize it ahead of the 
actual hdd. it also tends to forget its setting, which is annoying, but i 
digress…

lastly, the unetbootin boot menu comes up pretty darn quick when booting the 
drive, but it takes a good long while to get the desktop loaded. don't sweat it.

hope that helps someone!

wxl

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] reliably get persistence to work

[Lars Noodén]

It would be nice if there were and easy way to set up persistence from
within the Live CD session itself.  Can that be done?

Regards,
/Lars

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