Slow speed when copying over rdp (avg 16Kbps when coping via CIFS the avg is 1.5mbps) from Debian to Windows,
Hi , I'm coping files via the RDP stream (not CIFS) , I'm using rdesktop utility (but can change to any other). Link : HSDPA 8mbps. no vpn. Source : Debian amd64 sid. Dest: Windows 7 and windows server 2008 copy is done via xcopy on the windows machine, I've used rdesktop and tried adding the -z command and all have the same speed. CIFS and other protocols are working without problems. Any ideas for a workaround for faster coping ? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: where to host web server
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012, Shahar Dag wrote about "where to host web server": > Due to the Technion security limitation, we can't do it in house, so we are > looking to host the project somewhere outside the Technion. We don't need This is SO SAD :( The end-to-end Internet is dead :( O tempora, o mores :( I don't propose that every secretary's computer in the Technion need an unlimited connection to the Internet, but not giving every student access to at least one computer or server, or something, which has an unlimited connection to the Internet, is sad, and stupid. How are students supposed to invent the next great thing in Internet protocols, in Web technology, or whatever? Sure, you can tell them to get a server on Amazon. But you don't need to be a student in the Technion to do that. If people outside the Technion have more opportuinities and resources than students inside the Technion, why come study in the Technion? :( Nadav. -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Oct 21 2012, 5 Heshvan 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Anyone is entitled to their own opinions. http://nadav.harel.org.il |No one is entitled to their own facts. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: where to host web server
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012, Shahar Dag wrote about "where to host web server": > > Due to the Technion security limitation, we can't do it in house, so we > are > > looking to host the project somewhere outside the Technion. We don't need > > This is SO SAD :( The end-to-end Internet is dead :( > O tempora, o mores :( > > I don't propose that every secretary's computer in the Technion need an > unlimited connection to the Internet, but not giving every student > access to at least one computer or server, or something, which has an > unlimited connection to the Internet, is sad, and stupid. > > How are students supposed to invent the next great thing in Internet > protocols, in Web technology, or whatever? > > Sure, you can tell them to get a server on Amazon. But you don't need to > be a student in the Technion to do that. If people outside the Technion > have more opportuinities and resources than students inside the Technion, > why come study in the Technion? :( > > I think it is not a question of resources, but of policies and firewall ports. The Technion does not allow any SMTP servers that are not controlled by the system team, for example. > Nadav. > > > -- > Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Oct 21 2012, 5 Heshvan > 5773 > n...@math.technion.ac.il > |- > Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Anyone is entitled to their own > opinions. > http://nadav.harel.org.il |No one is entitled to their own > facts. > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda. http://ladypine.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: where to host web server
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Shahar Dag wrote: > Hello > > ** ** > > I am the system administrator of a teaching laboratory at the Technion.*** > * > > We would like to give the students in a project that involve developing a > web site (sorry, I don't have any additional details here) a dedicate > machine. > > Due to the Technion security limitation, we can't do it in house, so we > are looking to host the project somewhere outside the Technion. > Out of curiosity, what is the security limitation? Even if hosted externally, I'd expect the machines to "logically belong" to the Technion (e.g., in the "technion.ac.il" sense as well as in every legal sense) and be accessible from (at least some) computers that are physically connected to the internal Technion network, as well as from computers that can be connected to the Technion network (students' laptops, etc.). What do you expect from external hosting that you cannot do in your lab, securely? I can easily imagine that Amazon or other external hosting may be cost-effective compared to an internal VM (or other) farm. But cost is not stated as the primary issue here. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: where to host web server
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Out of curiosity, what is the security limitation? Even if hosted > externally, I'd expect the machines to "logically belong" to the Technion > (e.g., in the "technion.ac.il" sense as well as in every legal sense) > If students host illegal material on AWS, the cops might force them to give away they password. They won't however confiscate physical hardware from the Technion with warrant. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: where to host web server
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, what is the security limitation? Even if hosted >> externally, I'd expect the machines to "logically belong" to the Technion >> (e.g., in the "technion.ac.il" sense as well as in every legal sense) >> > > If students host illegal material on AWS, the cops might force them to > give away they password. They won't however confiscate physical hardware > from the Technion with warrant. > > This will also not blacklist the Technion with regards to other mail servers, and enable error-free monitoring of wild SMTP servers (viral ones). ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -- Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda. http://ladypine.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: where to host web server
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote about "Re: where to host web server": > This will also not blacklist the Technion with regards to other mail > servers, and enable error-free monitoring of wild SMTP servers (viral ones). Next thing you know, the Technion's chemistry department will close down its labs, since students can use them to produce meth... If a student wants to actually do a chemistry experiment, he can rent a table in a nearby chemistry-lab-for-hire, and do it there. People come to the Technion to learn. To learn, you need to be allowed to experiment. If certain students choose to experiment with illegal things, let them be caught - but don't ban all experimentation. -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Oct 21 2012, 5 Heshvan 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at http://nadav.harel.org.il |math. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: where to host web server
1. Where do I go to produce meth? Any such public domain labs in Haifa? Tel Aviv? 2. Joking aside, there have been cases (in the US) where chemists in industry and academe have produced drugs (predates meth) for commercial purposes. 3. Regardless, there is a difference between getting an experience in programming and hosting a live web site. A student can create lots of stuff, including services, which as long as they reside on the internal network are not a risk, while opening them to outside use can create a problem. Easiest example - a server with poor password. If you are in the intranet, and someone hacks into it and runs a DDOS on a local server, the admin will shut the offending server down and that's the end of it. Ditto for an error that creates infinite processing or broadcast loops. Do it to the outside world, and you'll have the authorities at your door. A second example - unauthorized content. Host kiddy porn on your internal account, and you'll be suspended (or your account closed till it is secured). Have an external hacker serving same from your university server, and you - and your institution and amin - will have to account to Interpol. You get my drift - some things are better left outside, where responsibility is the student's and the ISP's and not the Technion. Z. On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote about "Re: where to host > web server": > > This will also not blacklist the Technion with regards to other mail > > servers, and enable error-free monitoring of wild SMTP servers (viral > ones). > > Next thing you know, the Technion's chemistry department will close down > its labs, since students can use them to produce meth... If a student > wants to actually do a chemistry experiment, he can rent a table in > a nearby chemistry-lab-for-hire, and do it there. > > People come to the Technion to learn. To learn, you need to be allowed > to experiment. If certain students choose to experiment with illegal > things, let them be caught - but don't ban all experimentation. > > -- > Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Oct 21 2012, 5 Heshvan > 5773 > n...@math.technion.ac.il > |- > Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Lottery: A tax on people who are bad > at > http://nadav.harel.org.il |math. > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- Sincerely, Steve http://www.words2u.net - GPS points and tracks (mainly in Costa Rica) http://www.words2u.net/recipes - Recipe collection ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: where to host web server
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote about "Re: where to host web server": > I think it is not a question of resources, but of policies and firewall > ports. The Technion does not allow any SMTP servers that are not controlled > by the system team, for example. Look, specific policies about port 25 (SMTP) serve to solve a very specific problem (spam bots) and the collateral damage is small (students and faculty can't experiment with writing new mail servers). This is quite a different thing than a broad policy that no student-accessible computer in the technion may allow incoming connections. That prevents development of all sort of Internet services, protocols, and so on. I don't think I need to give here a list of Internet protocols and servers which were developed in universities, and would not have had the universities were so unnecessarily-strict back then. The smallest example would be my very own "almost complete guide to the Israeli Internet", which some of you may remember as my index of Israeli web sites in the early 1990s, which I created as a student and I learned *a lot* from this experience. Today, I guess, the Technion would frown upon such enterprise. Twenty years ago, people thought it was great that students learn about the Internet and create new things... Anyway, the original poster demonstrated why this policy is nothing but stupid: Here he wants to teach students something, and can't because of Technion policies, so he needs to turn to external companies to do this. How does this make any educational sense? -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Oct 21 2012, 5 Heshvan 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |This box was intentionally left blank. http://nadav.harel.org.il | ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: where to host web server
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Steve G. wrote: > > Easiest example - a server with poor password. If you are in the intranet, > and someone hacks into it and runs a DDOS on a local server, the admin will > shut the offending server down and that's the end of it. Ditto for an error > that creates infinite processing or broadcast loops. Do it to the outside > world, and you'll have the authorities at your door. > > A second example - unauthorized content. Host kiddy porn on your internal > account, and you'll be suspended (or your account closed till it is > secured). Have an external hacker serving same from your university server, > and you - and your institution and amin - will have to account to Interpol. > > You get my drift - some things are better left outside, where > responsibility is the student's and the ISP's and not the Technion. > No, sorry, I don't get your drift. We are talking about a course project or some such, i.e., a part of Technion's curriculum, where a student is supposed to create a web site, and - I presume - his/her creation is supposed to be tested and graded. Either the site is on the Technion's internal net and not accessible from outside, or it is public and is open to the world to see. In the first case, an internal host seems easier. In the latter case, what's the URL? I *do* expect it to be something.technion.ac.il (what else?). In either case it is the Technion that will be responsible for the hosting (networking, DNS, etc.), not the student. The student will just use Technion's facility for his/her course work. In this case (creation of a web site) I suppose the student will not even have any administrative privileges. I absolutely do not see the Technion telling its students "please enter into a hosting contract with Amazon on your own if you want to pass this course". In any case, the hosting provider will deal with the Technion, and if "authorities knock at the door" the Technion will have to answer, and find the responsible student, and deal with it, etc. If there is an illegal copy of Skyfall offered for download (or illegal porn, or DDOS zombie, or whatever) then I do expect the Technion to be liable equally regardless of the physical hosting facility. There may be a difference related to which country it is hosted on - I would expect Israel to be preferable for the Technion to anything else. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: where to host web server
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012, Nadav Har'El wrote about "Re: where to host web server": > The smallest example would be my very own "almost complete guide > to the Israeli Internet", which some of you may remember as my index of > Israeli web sites in the early 1990s, which I created as a student and > I learned *a lot* from this experience. I just realised that most readers might not remember that site from 18 year ago, so here is a news report from 1996 recommending my site, an ugly URL on an obscure Technion computer, over walla.co.il ;-) http://nadav.harel.org.il/israel/reviews/review1/ See, students' sites don't have to be big "fadichot" or security risks to the Technion, sometimes they bring it good publicity. And *always* they teach the student something (I can't even begin to list the various skills I learned while developing that site). Shame to throw out the baby with the bathwater. BTW, for the curious, a replica of the old site, frozen in 1998, can be found in http://nadav.harel.org.il/israel/index.html -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Oct 21 2012, 6 Heshvan 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |We could wipe out world hunger if we knew http://nadav.harel.org.il |how to make AOL's Free CD's edible! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
