Handy Program

[Mordecha Behar]

I think that the people reading this list are the only ones in the world who
would benefit from this program.
You how you're typing in English (or Hebrew) and then look at the screen
only to realize that you hadn't switched your keyboard? Frustrating.
I got fed up with having to retype it all, so I wrote a little application
to do it for me.
I know that there are Windows programs that will do this, but none for Linux
(that I'm aware of).
My original plan was to make an OpenOffice plugin, but I don't have the time
now to start working on that.
The program is a Java app, and will run on any platform. (I tested it on
Windows XP, a Debian derivative and a Red Hat derivative, one using Sun Java
and the other IcedTea).
I'm releasing it and its source code under the GNU GPL. Feel free to use it,
share it, improve on it, and maybe somebody out there has the time and
skills to write an OOo plugin from it.
Executable JAR file: http://thatside.net/downloads/TextConverter1.1.zip
Source code:  http://thatside.net/downloads/TextConverterSource1.1.zip

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Re: Handy Program

[amichay p. k.]

Thank you very much, very helpful and useful!

2011/1/16 Mordecha Behar 

I think that the people reading this list are the only ones in the world who
would benefit from this program.
You how you're typing in English (or Hebrew) and then look at the screen
only to realize that you hadn't switched your keyboard? Frustrating.
I got fed up with having to retype it all, so I wrote a little application
to do it for me.
I know that there are Windows programs that will do this, but none for Linux
(that I'm aware of).
My original plan was to make an OpenOffice plugin, but I don't have the time
now to start working on that.
The program is a Java app, and will run on any platform. (I tested it on
Windows XP, a Debian derivative and a Red Hat derivative, one using Sun Java
and the other IcedTea).
I'm releasing it and its source code under the GNU GPL. Feel free to use it,
share it, improve on it, and maybe somebody out there has the time and
skills to write an OOo plugin from it.
Executable JAR file: http://thatside.net/downloads/TextConverter1.1.zip
Source code:  http://thatside.net/downloads/TextConverterSource1.1.zip

Share and enjoy!

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Re: Handy Program

[Meir Kriheli]

On 01/16/2011 10:30 AM, Mordecha Behar wrote:
> I think that the people reading this list are the only ones in the world
> who would benefit from this program.
> You how you're typing in English (or Hebrew) and then look at the screen
> only to realize that you hadn't switched your keyboard? Frustrating.
> I got fed up with having to retype it all, so I wrote a little
> application to do it for me.
> I know that there are Windows programs that will do this, but none for
> Linux (that I'm aware of).

There's "behafucha":

http://hafuchalhafuch.sourceforge.net/

> My original plan was to make an OpenOffice plugin, but I don't have the
> time now to start working on that.
> The program is a Java app, and will run on any platform. (I tested it on
> Windows XP, a Debian derivative and a Red Hat derivative, one using Sun
> Java and the other IcedTea).
> I'm releasing it and its source code under the GNU GPL. Feel free to use
> it, share it, improve on it, and maybe somebody out there has the time
> and skills to write an OOo plugin from it.
> Executable JAR file: http://thatside.net/downloads/TextConverter1.1.zip
> Source code:  http://thatside.net/downloads/TextConverterSource1.1.zip
> 
> Share and enjoy!

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[HAIFUX LECTURE] A FOSS Yankee in Microsoft's court - Boaz Goldstein

[Eli Billauer]

On Monday, January 17th (TOMORROW) at 18:30, Haifux will gather to hear 
Boaz Goldstein talk about


A FOSS Yankee in Microsoft's court - Boaz Goldstein

Abstract

A year ago I started working for a small multi-national software giant 
named Microsoft. What I found is a company with rather surprising and 
odd corporate culture and habits. This lecture will try to convey what 
Microsoft is like on the inside.


Disclaimer: anything said in this lecture is my opinion alone and is not 
affiliated with Microsoft in any way.

=

We meet in Taub (CS Faculty) building, room 6. For instructions see:
http://www.haifux.org/where.html

Attendance is free, and you are all invited!



We are always interested in hearing your talks and ideas. If you wish to 
give a talk, hold a discussion, or just plan some event haifux might be 
interested in, please contact us at webmas...@haifux.org


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Re: Time for a chuckle

[Amos Shapira]

On 14 January 2011 23:59, Omer Zak  wrote:
>
> After all those serious E-mail exchanges about printers etc., I thought
> it's time to have a moment of lightheadedness.
>
> Here is something on tech support
>
> A woman customer called the Canon help desk with a problem with her
> printer.
>
> *Tech support: *  Are you running it under windows?
> *Customer: *  'No, my desk is next to the door, but that is a good
> point.
> The man sitting in the cubicle next to me is under a window, and his
> printer is working fine.'

There is an entire blog dedicated for such stories: http://notalwaysright.com/.

There are probably many other such sources.

Please resist the temptation to copy this blog to the mailing list.
Having this pointer here should suffice.

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Re: [HAIFUX LECTURE] A FOSS Yankee in Microsoft's court - Boaz Goldstein

[Mordecha Behar]

Wow. This looks like a fascinating talk.
But unfortunately I can't be there. Are the Haifux talks regularly recorded?
If so, where can I find them, if not, can you make an exception this time?
Thanks.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Eli Billauer  wrote:

> On Monday, January 17th (TOMORROW) at 18:30, Haifux will gather to hear
> Boaz Goldstein talk about
>
> A FOSS Yankee in Microsoft's court - Boaz Goldstein
>
> Abstract
>
> A year ago I started working for a small multi-national software giant
> named Microsoft. What I found is a company with rather surprising and odd
> corporate culture and habits. This lecture will try to convey what Microsoft
> is like on the inside.
>
> Disclaimer: anything said in this lecture is my opinion alone and is not
> affiliated with Microsoft in any way.
> =
>
> We meet in Taub (CS Faculty) building, room 6. For instructions see:
> http://www.haifux.org/where.html
>
> Attendance is free, and you are all invited!
>
> 
>
> We are always interested in hearing your talks and ideas. If you wish to
> give a talk, hold a discussion, or just plan some event haifux might be
> interested in, please contact us at webmas...@haifux.org
>
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Re: [HAIFUX LECTURE] A FOSS Yankee in Microsoft's court - Boaz Goldstein

[Eli Billauer]

At times, we do record Haifux lectures, but I don't think that has been 
done for a while.



This one will not be recorded for obvious reasons.


  Eli


Mordecha Behar wrote:


Wow. This looks like a fascinating talk.
But unfortunately I can't be there. Are the Haifux talks regularly 
recorded? If so, where can I find them, if not, can you make an 
exception this time?

Thanks.




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Re: Handy Program

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:51:07AM +0200, Meir Kriheli wrote:
> On 01/16/2011 10:30 AM, Mordecha Behar wrote:
> > I think that the people reading this list are the only ones in the world
> > who would benefit from this program.
> > You how you're typing in English (or Hebrew) and then look at the screen
> > only to realize that you hadn't switched your keyboard? Frustrating.
> > I got fed up with having to retype it all, so I wrote a little
> > application to do it for me.
> > I know that there are Windows programs that will do this, but none for
> > Linux (that I'm aware of).
> 
> There's "behafucha":
> 
> http://hafuchalhafuch.sourceforge.net/

Is it alive? Readme mentions v0.6 . Sourceforge only has 0.7. No
version control. Almost no other activities.

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[r...@gnu.org: Speeches in Israel?]

[Ehud Karni]

I got this request from RMS through Eli Zaretskii.

I think one of the Israeli Linux forums (TELUX, HAIFUX) is appropriate

I think the forum mangers should contact RMS directly and coordinate
the speech.

Ehud.


From: Richard Stallman 
To: e...@gnu.org
Subject: Speeches in Israel?
Reply-to: r...@gnu.org
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:05:32 -0500

I think I will be in Israel in July.  Do you know of any
place that would like a speech about free software?

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Re: [r...@gnu.org: Speeches in Israel?]

[Moish]

That's it?!
( without any intention to belittle the distinguished forums )

On 16/01/2011 15:15, Ehud Karni wrote:

I got this request from RMS through Eli Zaretskii.

I think one of the Israeli Linux forums (TELUX, HAIFUX) is appropriate

I think the forum mangers should contact RMS directly and coordinate
the speech.

Ehud.


 From: Richard Stallman
 To: e...@gnu.org
 Subject: Speeches in Israel?
 Reply-to: r...@gnu.org
 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:05:32 -0500

 I think I will be in Israel in July.  Do you know of any
 place that would like a speech about free software?

 --
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 President, Free Software Foundation
 51 Franklin St
 Boston MA 02110
 USA
 www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org


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Re: [r...@gnu.org: Speeches in Israel?]

[Ohad Levy]

I didn't really ask, but I think that red hat Israel would love to host him.

Ohad

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Ehud Karni  wrote:

> I got this request from RMS through Eli Zaretskii.
>
> I think one of the Israeli Linux forums (TELUX, HAIFUX) is appropriate
>
> I think the forum mangers should contact RMS directly and coordinate
> the speech.
>
> Ehud.
>
>
>From: Richard Stallman 
>To: e...@gnu.org
>Subject: Speeches in Israel?
>Reply-to: r...@gnu.org
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:05:32 -0500
>
>I think I will be in Israel in July.  Do you know of any
>place that would like a speech about free software?
>
>--
>Richard Stallman
>President, Free Software Foundation
>51 Franklin St
>Boston MA 02110
>USA
>www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org
>
>
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Re: [r...@gnu.org: Speeches in Israel?]

[Guy Sheffer]

Hello all,
I can talk to the Hebrew University student union. We could organize a
place in Givat Ram campus. I'm pretty sure I can get a decent lecture
hall.

Guy Sheffer
Jerusalem Linux club (Whats left of it)

On 1/16/11, Ohad Levy  wrote:
> I didn't really ask, but I think that red hat Israel would love to host him.
>
> Ohad
>
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Ehud Karni  wrote:
>
>> I got this request from RMS through Eli Zaretskii.
>>
>> I think one of the Israeli Linux forums (TELUX, HAIFUX) is appropriate
>>
>> I think the forum mangers should contact RMS directly and coordinate
>> the speech.
>>
>> Ehud.
>>
>>
>>From: Richard Stallman 
>>To: e...@gnu.org
>>Subject: Speeches in Israel?
>>Reply-to: r...@gnu.org
>>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:05:32 -0500
>>
>>I think I will be in Israel in July.  Do you know of any
>>place that would like a speech about free software?
>>
>>--
>>Richard Stallman
>>President, Free Software Foundation
>>51 Franklin St
>>Boston MA 02110
>>USA
>>www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org
>>
>>
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Re: [r...@gnu.org: Speeches in Israel?]

[Lior Kaplan]

I think he would prefer to lecture without the sponsorship of a commercial
company.. and we have enough clubs which could allow this.

But it would of course be better to ask him.

Kalpan

2011/1/16 Ohad Levy 

> I didn't really ask, but I think that red hat Israel would love to host
> him.
>
> Ohad
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Ehud Karni  wrote:
>
>> I got this request from RMS through Eli Zaretskii.
>>
>> I think one of the Israeli Linux forums (TELUX, HAIFUX) is appropriate
>>
>> I think the forum mangers should contact RMS directly and coordinate
>> the speech.
>>
>> Ehud.
>>
>>
>>From: Richard Stallman 
>>To: e...@gnu.org
>>Subject: Speeches in Israel?
>>Reply-to: r...@gnu.org
>>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:05:32 -0500
>>
>>I think I will be in Israel in July.  Do you know of any
>>place that would like a speech about free software?
>>
>>--
>>Richard Stallman
>>President, Free Software Foundation
>>51 Franklin St
>>Boston MA 02110
>>USA
>>www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org
>>
>>
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Re: [r...@gnu.org: Speeches in Israel?]

[Nadav Har'El]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011, Ehud Karni wrote about "[r...@gnu.org: Speeches in 
Israel?]":
> I got this request from RMS through Eli Zaretskii.
> 
> I think one of the Israeli Linux forums (TELUX, HAIFUX) is appropriate
> 
> I think the forum mangers should contact RMS directly and coordinate
> the speech.
> 
> Ehud.

Last time around (January 2003, 8 years ago... has he been in Israel since?),
he gave a speech in IBM Haifa Research Center's auditorium, and later we
(several dozens of Israeli linux fans) also had an informal dinner with him,
where he also gave a sort of informal speech.

Wherever he visits this time, I hope that it will be possible to record
and/or video his speech for posterity, and for the people who can't really
come to Haifa/Jerusalem/wherever the speech ends up being given at.
I understood that last time IBM intended to do that, but had some technical
difficulties so at the end it didn't happen. I hope that this time, this
will be a requirement from the venue (heck, it's not that difficult to
record at least the audio!).

Finally, I wonder if anybody has any guess why RMS is visiting Israel in
July - is it a private visit, or some public event in Israel he's attending?
I know there's a wikimedia conference planned in the beginning of August
2011 - maybe he's coming to that? :-)

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Re: [r...@gnu.org: Speeches in Israel?]

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

2011/1/16 Lior Kaplan 

> I think he would prefer to lecture without the sponsorship of a commercial
> company..
>

How do you know that? I hosted him twice, both times sponsored by (very well
known) commercial companies. I don't speak for RMS, but based on past
experiences I wouldn't expect him to refuse an invitation to appear at Red
Hat.

And, again based on past experiences, if a community group (e.g., Linux-IL,
Hamakor, or one of the other FOSS clubs) organizes an informal get-together
for an unpretentious dinner and all-around conversation, he'll be game if
his schedule allows. Last time that happened - was it 2003? - it went, I
think, quite well.

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[OT][NON-JOB OFFER] Beauty and the Geek 3 (Channel 10)

[Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda]

Hello all,
I am forwarding this as a non-job offer, since participants are not
paid (though they have a chance of winning a monetary prize).
Orna.
-- Forwarded message --

Following the Success of the second season of "Beauty and the Geek" we
are now beginning the search for our next contestants who are willing
to take part in an adventure of a lifetime!

Thinking it's about Time to Make a Change? Always Wanted to Transform
Someone Else?

Come and take part in "Beauty and the Geek", the Most Humane Reality
Show on Television

If you are a girl and look amazing and you are sure that you are able
to teach brilliant geeks a thing or two … take this opportunity to
show everyone what you worth!

If you are a young intelligent guy who would like to try and step out
of his boundaries, break free, change and yes … to have some good time
with some amazing beauties – join us in an experience of a lifetime

You can leave your details:
Voice Mail – 052-999
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Re: [OT][NON-JOB OFFER] Beauty and the Geek 3 (Channel 10)

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

Yeah, great way to become a joke in the geek community, and a bigger joke if
you're looking for a new job/project..

Hetz

2011/1/16 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda 

> Hello all,
> I am forwarding this as a non-job offer, since participants are not
> paid (though they have a chance of winning a monetary prize).
> Orna.
> -- Forwarded message --
>
> Following the Success of the second season of "Beauty and the Geek" we
> are now beginning the search for our next contestants who are willing
> to take part in an adventure of a lifetime!
>
> Thinking it's about Time to Make a Change? Always Wanted to Transform
> Someone Else?
>
> Come and take part in "Beauty and the Geek", the Most Humane Reality
> Show on Television
>
> If you are a girl and look amazing and you are sure that you are able
> to teach brilliant geeks a thing or two … take this opportunity to
> show everyone what you worth!
>
> If you are a young intelligent guy who would like to try and step out
> of his boundaries, break free, change and yes … to have some good time
> with some amazing beauties – join us in an experience of a lifetime
>
> You can leave your details:
> Voice Mail – 052-999
> Mail - yafa.g...@gmail.com
>
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Re: Handy Program

[Michael Vasiliev]

On 01/16/2011 10:30 AM, Mordecha Behar wrote:
> I think that the people reading this list are the only ones in the
> world who would benefit from this program.
> You how you're typing in English (or Hebrew) and then look at the
> screen only to realize that you hadn't switched your keyboard?
> Frustrating.
> I got fed up with having to retype it all, so I wrote a little
> application to do it for me.
> I know that there are Windows programs that will do this, but none for
> Linux (that I'm aware of).
You should look at xneur then.
> My original plan was to make an OpenOffice plugin, but I don't have
> the time now to start working on that.
> The program is a Java app, and will run on any platform. (I tested it
> on Windows XP, a Debian derivative and a Red Hat derivative, one using
> Sun Java and the other IcedTea).
> I'm releasing it and its source code under the GNU GPL. Feel free to
> use it, share it, improve on it, and maybe somebody out there has the
> time and skills to write an OOo plugin from it.
> Executable JAR file: http://thatside.net/downloads/TextConverter1.1.zip
> Source code:  http://thatside.net/downloads/TextConverterSource1.1.zip
>
> Share and enjoy!
>
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Re: [r...@gnu.org: Speeches in Israel?]

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:59:54 +0200
> From: Guy Sheffer 
> Cc: e...@unix.mvs.co.il, e...@gnu.org, linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il, 
>   Mord Behar 
> 
> I can talk to the Hebrew University student union. We could organize a
> place in Givat Ram campus. I'm pretty sure I can get a decent lecture
> hall.

That's great.  If you are certain you can organize this, please
respond directly to Richard with the details.  He will probably have
questions.

Thanks.

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Re: Die GNU autotools

[Omer Zak]

Chiming in late, and I apologize if someone already mentioned the
following point in E-mail which I didn't read yet.

On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 13:30 +0200, Elazar Leibovich wrote:

> Nowadays, developer time is expensive, QA time is expensive, support
> time is expensive. Memory is cheap, CPU is cheap, disk space is cheap.
> So I'd rather include another Megabyte of library the user already
> have, than make building and supporting my software more
> complicated=more expensive.
> 
> 
> As mentioned, Mathworks would rather include a compatible JVM with
> matlab, then use the one availible on the computer. The cost of that
> is miniscule (another 20Mb on the disk, maybe a bit more memory,
> assuming the user is using another JVM software simultaneously), and
> even if the only thing it'll save you is the support call "it says JRE
> 1.2 is not supported, please upgrade. How do I do that?", it probably
> well worth it, not to mention the reduced cost of testing, the freedom
> of using more advanced API, etc etc. This is not always true, but I
> think that nowadays adding a library of 100Kb to almost any software,
> always costs less than maintaining it with ifdefs.

Eventually, the library versions will be harmonized by the Linux distributions' 
maintainers, who undertake to package and distribute your software, if your 
software is Free.

So the ones who would invest in effort to optimize memory and hard disk usage 
by sharing libraries among versions and harmonizing library versions - are the 
ones who are in the best position to choose which libraries are worth the 
effort to eliminate duplicate copies.

It is a nice division of labor.  The original software developers don't
need to worry about compatible libraries.  Then if their software is
successful and sufficiently widely-used to be added to Linux
distributions, then its use of libraries will be optimized by other
people.

DISCLAIMER:  I am a Debian user, and the above observation is based upon
what I see from the process of developing Debian releases.  If you use
another distribution, YMMV.

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Which software will be used (was: Re: Die GNU autotools)

[Omer Zak]

On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 01:32 +0200, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Nadav Har'El
>  wrote:
> If two programs are virtually identical, have the
> same features and quality, but one is written in C and takes 5
> MB on disk
> and memory and the second is in Java and has its own copy of
> the JVM and
> takes 25 MB on disk and memory - which of the two do you think
> the
> distributions will pick up? Which do you think users will end
> up using?
> 
> 
> I seriously think that the one the end users will be using is the one
> with the pink background and cute kittens in the toolbar, regardless
> of whatever you mentioned. I don't think history proved that the best
> software is the most used software (ie, ADA vs C for real-time
> systems).

The above applies when the end users are women.
When the end users are men, the one that will actually be used will be
the one with the biggest tits.
(Apropos the joke about the manager who interviews three candidates for
position of his personal secretary.)

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Re: new SI1452 keyboard layout

[Shachar Shemesh]

On 13/01/11 10:52, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

Hi

So I set up a small git repo with the xkb mapping and put my changes
in a branch:

http://gitorious.org/si1452-xkb/si1452-xkb/commits/tzafrir

   
Hi Tzafrir, as well as anyone else who want to pursue this development 
independently.


I think the community is having a hard time wrapping its head around a 
fundamental fact of the new keyboard standard. This is not an open 
source project. This is a committee. It is manned by people who are all 
with the best of intentions, and the discussion is surprisingly 
ego-free, and yet, this is still a committee, with all the negative 
association that go with that word. I'm doing my best to make the 
process open, but I'm beginning to ask myself whether I'm not, actually, 
causing more damage than good.


In the end, the SII will issue a standard. Like it or not, this is what 
will get implemented on most computers out there. Ideally, this standard 
is what will get implemented on ALL computers out there. As such, I 
think it is best to try and make sure that this standard is as good as 
we can make it.


However, since this is a committee standard, it takes time. The 
committee meets once a month, and for a few hours at a time (next 
meeting is tomorrow). There is so much progress we can make during one 
meeting (hence the lack of maqaf, gershaim, and other characters that 
exist in lyx but not in the current version of the draft). I completely 
understand people's impatience, but this is just how things are. It will 
likely take AT LEAST three more months to completely agree upon the 
keyboard, and AT LEAST one more month for the standard to reach the 
point where it is officially published to the public to receive 
comments. It is no news to me that, for an open source project, that 
speed is a crawl. There is positively nothing anyone can do about it, as 
far as I can tell.


Creating forks and branches may lead to one of two outcomes, as far as I 
can see, neither desirable. The least bad outcome is that no-one will 
use your repo, and you would have wasted time and effort. The worst 
case, however, is that your repo is widely successful, but incompatible 
with the end standard. As such, I think it is best to keep the feedback 
flowing where the SII sub-committee can pick it up.


Thankfully, Hamakor has a couple of representatives at the committee, 
and one of them (yours truly) did his best to make the process as 
transparent as possible. The best way to get your feedback considered by 
the committee (before reaching the public comments stage, that is) is by 
reading all the comments on the blog post Tzafrir pointed to, and then, 
if what you said is not redundant to what was already said, leave a 
comment with it. I think it is the only sane way to make sure your 
comments actually get considered by the standard while it is being drafted.


Shachar

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Re: new SI1452 keyboard layout

[Omer Zak]

On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 22:18 +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> On 13/01/11 10:52, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > So I set up a small git repo with the xkb mapping and put my changes
> > in a branch:
> >
> > http://gitorious.org/si1452-xkb/si1452-xkb/commits/tzafrir
> >
> >
[... snipped ...]
> In the end, the SII will issue a standard. Like it or not, this is what 
> will get implemented on most computers out there. Ideally, this standard 
> is what will get implemented on ALL computers out there. As such, I 
> think it is best to try and make sure that this standard is as good as 
> we can make it.
[... snipped ...]
> Creating forks and branches may lead to one of two outcomes, as far as I 
> can see, neither desirable. The least bad outcome is that no-one will 
> use your repo, and you would have wasted time and effort. The worst 
> case, however, is that your repo is widely successful, but incompatible 
> with the end standard. As such, I think it is best to keep the feedback 
> flowing where the SII sub-committee can pick it up.

Please allow me to disagree about this point.

Successful standards (RFCs upon which the Internet is based) were
developed by methods similar to the one supported by Tzafrir's effort.
People implemented proposed standards and actually tried to work with
them.

Unsuccessful standards (OSI 7-layer networking model, X.whatever E-mail
addressing standard, etc.) were approved by a committee without having
been actually implemented and put to trial by fire.

In the case of the new SI1452 keyboard layout standard, it means that it
should be easy for people to try various keyboard layouts and see which
feels right to them and why.  It should be easy for them to tweak those
layouts and pass back feedback to the committee (I understand that you
[Shachar] are doing excellent job in getting our feedback back to the
committee).

And if a particular layout was not approved as The Standard but turns
out to be wildly successful, then it means that the SII committee
screwed up.  Then SII should review its standard making processes and
see what can be done to avoid approving a suboptimal standard in the
future.

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Re: [Haifux] [OT][NON-JOB OFFER] Beauty and the Geek 3 (Channel 10)

[choo]

just do me a favor - DON'T register under the title "Haifa
linux club member" or something similar - i had enough
problems at work after the fiasco with Moshic Afia on "Once in
a life time" of yes, several years ago... people kept
reminding me of that show for more then a year after it was
shown on ynet - and i wasn't even there!

--guy

 Original message 
>Date:   Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:52:10 +0200
>From:   Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda   
>Subject:   [Haifux] [OT][NON-JOB OFFER] Beauty and the Geek 3
(Channel 10)  
>To:   Haifa Linux Club , linux-il

>Cc:   shani helmer , מערכת היפה והחנון
3 
>
>Hello all,
>I am forwarding this as a non-job offer, since participants
are not
>paid (though they have a chance of winning a monetary prize).
>Orna.
>-- Forwarded message --
>
>Following the Success of the second season of "Beauty and the
Geek" we
>are now beginning the search for our next contestants who are
willing
>to take part in an adventure of a lifetime!
>
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Transform
>Someone Else?
>
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>Show on Television
>
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>
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step out
>of his boundaries, break free, change and yes … to have some
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>with some amazing beauties – join us in an experience of a
lifetime
>
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Re: new SI1452 keyboard layout

[Dotan Cohen]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 22:18, Shachar Shemesh  wrote:
> Hi Tzafrir, as well as anyone else who want to pursue this development
> independently.
>
> I think the community is having a hard time wrapping its head around a
> fundamental fact of the new keyboard standard. This is not an open source
> project. This is a committee. It is manned by people who are all with the
> best of intentions, and the discussion is surprisingly ego-free, and yet,
> this is still a committee, with all the negative association that go with
> that word. I'm doing my best to make the process open, but I'm beginning to
> ask myself whether I'm not, actually, causing more damage than good.
>
> In the end, the SII will issue a standard. Like it or not, this is what will
> get implemented on most computers out there. Ideally, this standard is what
> will get implemented on ALL computers out there. As such, I think it is best
> to try and make sure that this standard is as good as we can make it.
>
> However, since this is a committee standard, it takes time. The committee
> meets once a month, and for a few hours at a time (next meeting is
> tomorrow). There is so much progress we can make during one meeting (hence
> the lack of maqaf, gershaim, and other characters that exist in lyx but not
> in the current version of the draft). I completely understand people's
> impatience, but this is just how things are. It will likely take AT LEAST
> three more months to completely agree upon the keyboard, and AT LEAST one
> more month for the standard to reach the point where it is officially
> published to the public to receive comments. It is no news to me that, for
> an open source project, that speed is a crawl. There is positively nothing
> anyone can do about it, as far as I can tell.
>
> Creating forks and branches may lead to one of two outcomes, as far as I can
> see, neither desirable. The least bad outcome is that no-one will use your
> repo, and you would have wasted time and effort. The worst case, however, is
> that your repo is widely successful, but incompatible with the end standard.
> As such, I think it is best to keep the feedback flowing where the SII
> sub-committee can pick it up.
>
> Thankfully, Hamakor has a couple of representatives at the committee, and
> one of them (yours truly) did his best to make the process as transparent as
> possible. The best way to get your feedback considered by the committee
> (before reaching the public comments stage, that is) is by reading all the
> comments on the blog post Tzafrir pointed to, and then, if what you said is
> not redundant to what was already said, leave a comment with it. I think it
> is the only sane way to make sure your comments actually get considered by
> the standard while it is being drafted.
>

Hi Shachar. I notice that the RLM and LRM are not implemented in the
new keyboard layout. You might want to mention to the rest of the
committee that there exist users who use the lyx layout specifically
for those two most useful characters. Please, do not remove them!

Additionally, I would love to see the inclusion of the RTL (U+200F)
and LTR (U+200E) characters. In my opinion, the RLM and LRM could go
in place of the mostly-useless [ and ] keys, and the RTL and LTR could
go on the shifted version of those same keys. Those keys are only
really useful for programming, an activity that one does not do in the
Hebrew layout.

Thanks!

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Re: new SI1452 keyboard layout

[Tzafrir Cohen]

Hi,

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:18:50PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:

> Thankfully, Hamakor has a couple of representatives at the committee,  
> and one of them (yours truly) did his best to make the process as  
> transparent as possible. The best way to get your feedback considered by  
> the committee (before reaching the public comments stage, that is) is by  
> reading all the comments on the blog post Tzafrir pointed to, and then,  
> if what you said is not redundant to what was already said, leave a  
> comment with it. I think it is the only sane way to make sure your  
> comments actually get considered by the standard while it is being 
> drafted.

Well, you asked for comments. I tried it. I liked it. But I really
missed a certain key. This is my comment. This is the format of comments
I best understand.

If that key won't be included at all, I figure I won't go manually
editing every system around. If this key ends up elsewhere, I'll probably
just get used to it (it is already not exactly where it is in the lyx
mapping I used before).  I do want a single useful standard. However
I'm all for trying it out (which I already do).

So I have no intention in forking anything. This is just my way of
trying it out. Please do keep up your good work there.

Cheers,

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Re: new SI1452 keyboard layout

[Shachar Shemesh]

On 16/01/11 22:50, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 22:18, Shachar Shemesh  wrote:
   

The best way to get your feedback considered by the committee
(before reaching the public comments stage, that is) is by*reading all the
comments*  on the blog post Tzafrir pointed to, and then, if what you said is
not redundant to what was already said, leave a comment with it.

 

Hi Shachar. I notice that the RLM and LRM are not implemented in the
new keyboard layout. You might want to mention to the rest of the
committee that there exist users who use the lyx layout specifically
for those two most useful characters. Please, do not remove them!

Additionally, I would love to see the inclusion of the RTL (U+200F)
and LTR (U+200E) characters. In my opinion, the RLM and LRM could go
in place of the mostly-useless [ and ] keys, and the RTL and LTR could
go on the shifted version of those same keys. Those keys are only
really useful for programming, an activity that one does not do in the
Hebrew layout.

Thanks!

   




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Re: new SI1452 keyboard layout

[Shachar Shemesh]

On 16/01/11 22:53, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

Hi,

If that key won't be included at all, I figure I won't go manually
editing every system around.
Had you read the comments on my blog, you would have known that this key 
will be included, as well as gershaim and the rest of them. We just 
didn't get around to deciding where, so I did not put it into the 
layouts I released.


Shachar

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Re: new SI1452 keyboard layout

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:50:16PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 22:18, Shachar Shemesh  wrote:
> > Hi Tzafrir, as well as anyone else who want to pursue this development
> > independently.
> >
> > I think the community is having a hard time wrapping its head around a
> > fundamental fact of the new keyboard standard. This is not an open source
> > project. This is a committee. It is manned by people who are all with the
> > best of intentions, and the discussion is surprisingly ego-free, and yet,
> > this is still a committee, with all the negative association that go with
> > that word. I'm doing my best to make the process open, but I'm beginning to
> > ask myself whether I'm not, actually, causing more damage than good.
> >
> > In the end, the SII will issue a standard. Like it or not, this is what will
> > get implemented on most computers out there. Ideally, this standard is what
> > will get implemented on ALL computers out there. As such, I think it is best
> > to try and make sure that this standard is as good as we can make it.
> >
> > However, since this is a committee standard, it takes time. The committee
> > meets once a month, and for a few hours at a time (next meeting is
> > tomorrow). There is so much progress we can make during one meeting (hence
> > the lack of maqaf, gershaim, and other characters that exist in lyx but not
> > in the current version of the draft). I completely understand people's
> > impatience, but this is just how things are. It will likely take AT LEAST
> > three more months to completely agree upon the keyboard, and AT LEAST one
> > more month for the standard to reach the point where it is officially
> > published to the public to receive comments. It is no news to me that, for
> > an open source project, that speed is a crawl. There is positively nothing
> > anyone can do about it, as far as I can tell.
> >
> > Creating forks and branches may lead to one of two outcomes, as far as I can
> > see, neither desirable. The least bad outcome is that no-one will use your
> > repo, and you would have wasted time and effort. The worst case, however, is
> > that your repo is widely successful, but incompatible with the end standard.
> > As such, I think it is best to keep the feedback flowing where the SII
> > sub-committee can pick it up.
> >
> > Thankfully, Hamakor has a couple of representatives at the committee, and
> > one of them (yours truly) did his best to make the process as transparent as
> > possible. The best way to get your feedback considered by the committee
> > (before reaching the public comments stage, that is) is by reading all the
> > comments on the blog post Tzafrir pointed to, and then, if what you said is
> > not redundant to what was already said, leave a comment with it. I think it
> > is the only sane way to make sure your comments actually get considered by
> > the standard while it is being drafted.
> >
> 
> Hi Shachar. I notice that the RLM and LRM are not implemented in the
> new keyboard layout. You might want to mention to the rest of the
> committee that there exist users who use the lyx layout specifically
> for those two most useful characters. Please, do not remove them!

They are in the il_proposed file (If they weren't, they would be extra
characters I would have to add to my mapping :-) . If you're a veteran
lyx layout user, note that they moved to AltGr-9 and AltGr-0.

According to the comments in the discussion I linked to, it was added to
the layout a bit later, folloiwng comments by Amir Aharoni.

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Re: new SI1452 keyboard layout

[Dotan Cohen]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 23:02, Tzafrir Cohen  wrote:
>> Hi Shachar. I notice that the RLM and LRM are not implemented in the
>> new keyboard layout. You might want to mention to the rest of the
>> committee that there exist users who use the lyx layout specifically
>> for those two most useful characters. Please, do not remove them!
>
> They are in the il_proposed file (If they weren't, they would be extra
> characters I would have to add to my mapping :-) . If you're a veteran
> lyx layout user, note that they moved to AltGr-9 and AltGr-0.
>

Yes, they have moved to a quite unusable position, from their current
very comfortable position. It is near impossible for me to press two
buttons together with the same hand. This is a known issue with
humans, in fact it is the reason that the shift key is on both sides
of the keyboard and later meta keys were (mostly) added to both sides
as well. Furthermore the square brackets are nearly useless in Hebrew,
and therefore perfect candidate keys for these characters. The shifted
square brackets could just as well be the RTL and LTR keys as well.
Please mention this to the committee, especially the part about
relying on AltGr as being terrible for accessibility. It seems that
the ₪ character will suffer from this fate as well, please, don't let
this happen! Do not make us replace our right Alt key to AltGr.


> According to the comments in the discussion I linked to, it was added to
> the layout a bit later, folloiwng comments by Amir Aharoni.
>

I understand. Thanks.


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Re: [HAIFUX LECTURE] A FOSS Yankee in Microsoft's court - Boaz Goldstein

[Dotan Cohen]

2011/1/16 Mordecha Behar :
> Wow. This looks like a fascinating talk.
> But unfortunately I can't be there. Are the Haifux talks regularly recorded?
> If so, where can I find them, if not, can you make an exception this time?
> Thanks.
>

Yes, since I left Haifa all the interesting talks have been coming out!


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Re: [r...@gnu.org: Speeches in Israel?]

[Diego Iastrubni]

On יום ראשון 16 ינואר 2011 15:15:22 Ehud Karni wrote:
> From: Richard Stallman 
> To: e...@gnu.org
> Subject: Speeches in Israel?
> Reply-to: r...@gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:05:32 -0500
> 
> I think I will be in Israel in July.  Do you know of any
> place that would like a speech about free software?

As much as I disagree with RMS, it's not something I would like to miss 
(again). Meeting a legend while he is living is not something anyone should 
miss.

How about we move AP a few weeks ahead of schedule...?

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Multiple software copies (was Re: Die GNU autotools)

[Oron Peled]

Somehow, too many people miss the really big point about
code duplication... So I'll try to put some perspective into this...

On Thursday, 13 בJanuary 2011 13:30:34 Elazar Leibovich wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > But it's a system (or user-installed) library. Why would I need to bundle
> > it with my code?
> 
> You just hit the nail on its head!
> Few years ago, you were correct, harddisks were thin, memory was spare, and
> if you could use a preinstalled library it'll be a great benefit.

Disk and memory footprint are important, *BUT* having multiple copies
of the same software suck bigtime for a different reason.

Let's take dynamic libraries as a showcase.
First few facts to set the stage:
 * They exist from the 80's (e.g: Unix systems)
 * They are the dominant form for the last 20 years (the percentage of
statically linked binaries is very low)
 * BUT -- they cause performance hit (on most architectures) comparing
to statically linked binaries.

Q: So what's the major reason for their use (bearing in mind that they
 cost us performance)?
A: It's because *dynamic* linking offers crucial key to software
maintenance -- no need to rebuild every application using the
library when the library need updates (Tzafrir mentioned this
on another post)

Let me illustrate with two real life examples from Fedoraproject:

 * Fedora-14 upgraded libjpeg with a new optimized implementation
that gave a significant performance boost:
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/libjpeg-turbo).

Q: How many packages I *did not* have to update on my laptop ?
A:$ rpmquery --whatrequires libjpeg.so.62 | wc -l
   73# Yes, I only use "few" graphic apps/utilities

Q: How many packages *did not* had to be built by the maintainers ?
A:$ repoquery --alldeps --whatrequires libjpeg-turbo | wc -l 
   474

Yes, four hundred seventy four packages.

 * This December a security fix was issued to libsndfile for EPEL
(https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libsndfile-1.0.17-4.el5)
to fix several buffer overflows.

Q: How many packages a RHEL customer or Centos user *did not*
have to worry about after installing the fix ?
[OK, I'll cheat and check on my F-14 laptop, since I don't have
 a RHEL / Centos box in front of me]
 A:   $ repoquery --alldeps --whatrequires libsndfile | wc -l 
   108

The two immediate conclusions from these tiny examples:
 * Dynamic library biggest win is software *maintenance* -- static
libraries maintenance *does not scale*.

 * Using multiple, private copies of dynamic libraries for each application
is winning the worst of *both* worlds:
- You get the lousy performace of dynamic libraries (comparing to
  statically linked binaries)
- And you get unmanageble software mess as well.

Bonus question to clarify the point:
 1. Assume Microsoft issues via their automatic updates a security fix
 to one of their DLL's

 2. What is the chance that the update would fix *all* multiple copies
 of same DLL which is installed/bundled/packaged in 3'rd party
 applications, sometimes in multiple versions (of the application,
 the DLL or both).

 [yes, some of the copies may be installed/upgraded *after* the
  MS-update took place -- we talk about real life, not MS dream
  world]

  3. Now, assuming both Microsoft and the user never miss an update.
  What is the chance of the user to have a secure system ?

Bonus bonus question:
   Answer the previous question, assuming the DLL does not come
  directly from Microsoft but from a 3'rd party (e.g: some popular
  Active-X control or other stupidity)

BTW: This is why Fedora pretty much frowns upon static libraries
 (even special cases requires separate packaging)
[http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Packaging_Static_Libraries]

Cheers,

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Re: new SI1452 keyboard layout

[Shachar Shemesh]

On 17/01/11 00:00, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 23:02, Tzafrir Cohen  wrote:
   

Hi Shachar. I notice that the RLM and LRM are not implemented in the
new keyboard layout. You might want to mention to the rest of the
committee that there exist users who use the lyx layout specifically
for those two most useful characters. Please, do not remove them!
   

They are in the il_proposed file (If they weren't, they would be extra
characters I would have to add to my mapping :-) . If you're a veteran
lyx layout user, note that they moved to AltGr-9 and AltGr-0.

 

Yes, they have moved to a quite unusable position, from their current
very comfortable position.
Dotan, I'd ask you constructive questions, but as you've obviously did 
not read the comment thread on my blog (or you wouldn't say these 
incorrect things), I can't. Please attempt at being informed before 
passing criticism.


Also, when asking for change, please avoid the "don't do this" form of 
requests. Instead, use "do this instead of this" requests. The first 
form is one that shows disrespect for the reasoning behind current 
decisions (which I tried to explain in my blog, which is why I'm asking 
people to move their criticism there, so they will have at least a 
pretense of having read the discussion so far before commenting).


I will now stop responding to this thread, and will simply disregard any 
comment (such as this one) which is too uninformed to be productive.


The link, again, is:
http://blog.shemesh.biz/2010/12/%d7%98%d7%99%d7%95%d7%98%d7%90-%d7%a8%d7%90%d7%a9%d7%95%d7%a0%d7%94-%d7%9c%d7%aa%d7%a7%d7%9f-%d7%9e%d7%a7%d7%9c%d7%93%d7%aa-%d7%a2%d7%91%d7%a8%d7%99%d7%aa-%d7%9e%d7%97%d7%95%d7%93%d7%a9/

Shachar

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Re: Multiple software copies (was Re: Die GNU autotools)

[Shachar Shemesh]

On 17/01/11 02:21, Oron Peled wrote:


2. What is the chance that the update would fix *all* multiple copies

of same DLL which is installed/bundled/packaged in 3'rd party

applications, sometimes in multiple versions (of the application,

the DLL or both).

No need to hypothis. Just look up what happened when they had a security 
flaw in their GDI+ DLL. They wrote a tool that constantly searches your 
system for instances of the DLL, and then sits and cries in a corner 
because there is not much it can actually do about it.


Shachar


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Re: [Haifux] [OT][NON-JOB OFFER] Beauty and the Geek 3 (Channel 10)

[Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda]

Clarification: even though I forwarded this to the list as part of my
role as co-webmaster of haifux, and as a service to the community, I
strongly join guy's view, and more:

Please do not embarrass Haifux/Linux-il by declaring yourselves as
members, when taking part in a stereotypic low-denominator TV program.

Thanks
Orna

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:42 PM,   wrote:
>
> just do me a favor - DON'T register under the title "Haifa
> linux club member" or something similar - i had enough
> problems at work after the fiasco with Moshic Afia on "Once in
> a life time" of yes, several years ago... people kept
> reminding me of that show for more then a year after it was
> shown on ynet - and i wasn't even there!
>
> --guy
>
>  Original message 
>>Date:   Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:52:10 +0200
>>From:   Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda 
>>Subject:   [Haifux] [OT][NON-JOB OFFER] Beauty and the Geek 3
> (Channel 10)
>>To:   Haifa Linux Club , linux-il
> 
>>Cc:   shani helmer , מערכת היפה והחנון
> 3 
>>
>>Hello all,
>>I am forwarding this as a non-job offer, since participants
> are not
>>paid (though they have a chance of winning a monetary prize).
>>Orna.
>>-- Forwarded message --
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [r...@gnu.org: Speeches in Israel?]

[Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda]

2011/1/16 Lior Kaplan 

> I think he would prefer to lecture without the sponsorship of a commercial
> company.. and we have enough clubs which could allow this.
>
>

AFAIK, he tries to get commercial companies to sponsor his travels as much
as possible.
Anyway, I am trying to get a suitably large hall in the Technion.
Orna.


> But it would of course be better to ask him.
>
> Kalpan
>
> 2011/1/16 Ohad Levy 
>
> I didn't really ask, but I think that red hat Israel would love to host
>> him.
>>
>> Ohad
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Ehud Karni  wrote:
>>
>>> I got this request from RMS through Eli Zaretskii.
>>>
>>> I think one of the Israeli Linux forums (TELUX, HAIFUX) is appropriate
>>>
>>> I think the forum mangers should contact RMS directly and coordinate
>>> the speech.
>>>
>>> Ehud.
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Richard Stallman 
>>>To: e...@gnu.org
>>>Subject: Speeches in Israel?
>>>Reply-to: r...@gnu.org
>>>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:05:32 -0500
>>>
>>>I think I will be in Israel in July.  Do you know of any
>>>place that would like a speech about free software?
>>>
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