Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda]

That is not just a newsflash, that is a great achievement for you and
for all of us!
Well done!

Orna.

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> News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel!
>
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Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Rafi Gordon]

Zvi,
  - First, congratulations for winning this important battle !

  - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future.

And indeed, after surfing many  israeli websites, I found out that all
of them come with windows. I don't intend to use windows on my laptop.
So may I ask: How long this process you ran took ? (from going to
court till getting that payment) ? what do you advice me to do ?

Or let's put it this way: it seems that your important struggle took a lot
of time and headache. You won your case. However, from what appears
in that news item, I doubt whether it is a precedent. They say there
that it was a "pshara", and it says there that they are not
binded by this case and it is "לפנים משורת הדין",

So what do you advice me to do ?  to buy and then to go to court ?
It seems to me that all the hassle of such a procedure , and
traveling from the north the vendor offices (usually in the center)
and back in case I will win it, is simply is not acceptable for me.

And if I am not wrong, I heard that there are man known vendors who seel
laptops with free linux abroad. And this is true for quite a time.


Regards,
Rafi



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>
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Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda]

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Rafi Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Zvi,
>  - First, congratulations for winning this important battle !
>
>  - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future.
>
> And indeed, after surfing many  israeli websites, I found out that all
> of them come with windows. I don't intend to use windows on my laptop.
> So may I ask: How long this process you ran took ? (from going to
> court till getting that payment) ? what do you advice me to do ?
>
> Or let's put it this way: it seems that your important struggle took a lot
> of time and headache. You won your case. However, from what appears
> in that news item, I doubt whether it is a precedent. They say there
> that it was a "pshara", and it says there that they are not
> binded by this case and it is "לפנים משורת הדין",
>
> So what do you advice me to do ?  to buy and then to go to court ?
> It seems to me that all the hassle of such a procedure , and
> traveling from the north the vendor offices (usually in the center)
> and back in case I will win it, is simply is not acceptable for me.
>
> And if I am not wrong, I heard that there are man known vendors who seel
> laptops with free linux abroad. And this is true for quite a time.
>
>
> Regards,
> Rafi
>
>

Hi Rafi,

I have recently bought an Eee Pc by Asus from Panda, with
Pre-installed Linux and no Windows. However, the EeePc is only a
modest mini laptop, which might not suit your needs.

Orna.

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Rafi Gordon]

Hello,

I had encountered before Asus Eee Pc  with linux on some israeli
sites; this is indeed a mini laptop. Talking about laptops (not UMPCs
and not mini laptops) - I did not encounter any stores in israel which
sell a  "windows free" laptops  , meaning that you can purchase them
without Windows.

I urge anyone that knows about such cases to inform us. I really doubt
there is even one
such store/vendor.

Regards,
RafiG




On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Rafi Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Zvi,
>>  - First, congratulations for winning this important battle !
>>
>>  - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future.
>>
>> And indeed, after surfing many  israeli websites, I found out that all
>> of them come with windows. I don't intend to use windows on my laptop.
>> So may I ask: How long this process you ran took ? (from going to
>> court till getting that payment) ? what do you advice me to do ?
>>
>> Or let's put it this way: it seems that your important struggle took a lot
>> of time and headache. You won your case. However, from what appears
>> in that news item, I doubt whether it is a precedent. They say there
>> that it was a "pshara", and it says there that they are not
>> binded by this case and it is "לפנים משורת הדין",
>>
>> So what do you advice me to do ?  to buy and then to go to court ?
>> It seems to me that all the hassle of such a procedure , and
>> traveling from the north the vendor offices (usually in the center)
>> and back in case I will win it, is simply is not acceptable for me.
>>
>> And if I am not wrong, I heard that there are man known vendors who seel
>> laptops with free linux abroad. And this is true for quite a time.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rafi
>>
>>
>
> Hi Rafi,
>
> I have recently bought an Eee Pc by Asus from Panda, with
> Pre-installed Linux and no Windows. However, the EeePc is only a
> modest mini laptop, which might not suit your needs.
>
> Orna.
>

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Baruch Siach]

Hi Rafi,

On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:51:54PM +0200, Rafi Gordon wrote:
> I urge anyone that knows about such cases to inform us. I really doubt
> there is even one
> such store/vendor.

Here is one from Ivory/MSI:

http://ivory.co.il/product.asp?productid=2294&CatCode=315

This page state that you can by this machine with an OS, which implies that 
you can have it without one.

baruch

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Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:12:19 +0200
"Rafi Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Zvi,
>   - First, congratulations for winning this important battle !
> 
>   - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future.
> 
> And indeed, after surfing many  israeli websites, I found out that all
> of them come with windows. I don't intend to use windows on my laptop.
> So may I ask: How long this process you ran took ? (from going to
> court till getting that payment) ? what do you advice me to do ?
> 
> Or let's put it this way: it seems that your important struggle took a lot
> of time and headache. You won your case. However, from what appears
> in that news item, I doubt whether it is a precedent. They say there
> that it was a "pshara", and it says there that they are not
> binded by this case and it is "לפנים משורת הדין",
> 
> So what do you advice me to do ?  to buy and then to go to court ?
> It seems to me that all the hassle of such a procedure , and
> traveling from the north the vendor offices (usually in the center)
> and back in case I will win it, is simply is not acceptable for me.
> 
> And if I am not wrong, I heard that there are man known vendors who seel
> laptops with free linux abroad. And this is true for quite a time.
> 

Some of the machines you can also get with freedos in Israel (or no operating
systems). Linux is harder, but if you have your favorite Linux distribution you
will probably want to install it anyway.

Linux support is practically non-existent.

I'm guessing that the whole idea was to get the point through and not to
actually make any money off it, I doubt that it will be worth much due to
expenses and will take a lot of hassle, although it depends on your preferred
laptop.

At least at ivory you can get msi and dell with freedos (don't know if they
have gigabyte). Doesn't look like you can get a thinkpad without windows vista
though. They do give you an upgrade cd to windows xp (I know that they call it
a downgrade but they got their terminology wrong ;-)

In the states you can order thinkpads from lenovo with linux or no operating
system but they take about twice as long to ship for some reason.


> 
> Regards,
> Rafi
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Zvi Devir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel!
> >
> > Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html
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Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:51:54 +0200
"Rafi Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I had encountered before Asus Eee Pc  with linux on some israeli
> sites; this is indeed a mini laptop. Talking about laptops (not UMPCs
> and not mini laptops) - I did not encounter any stores in israel which
> sell a  "windows free" laptops  , meaning that you can purchase them
> without Windows.
> 
> I urge anyone that knows about such cases to inform us. I really doubt
> there is even one
> such store/vendor.
> 

There are such stores and vendors.

as for laptops, Dell (from several stores including ivory), MSI (from ivory), I
think that Gigabyte. Maybe others.

For my wife we bought MSI, for a friend of mine we got Dell, for another friend
a desktop from ivory, all without an operating system.

> Regards,
> RafiG
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Rafi Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Zvi,
> >>  - First, congratulations for winning this important battle !
> >>
> >>  - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future.
> >>
> >> And indeed, after surfing many  israeli websites, I found out that all
> >> of them come with windows. I don't intend to use windows on my laptop.
> >> So may I ask: How long this process you ran took ? (from going to
> >> court till getting that payment) ? what do you advice me to do ?
> >>
> >> Or let's put it this way: it seems that your important struggle took a lot
> >> of time and headache. You won your case. However, from what appears
> >> in that news item, I doubt whether it is a precedent. They say there
> >> that it was a "pshara", and it says there that they are not
> >> binded by this case and it is "לפנים משורת הדין",
> >>
> >> So what do you advice me to do ?  to buy and then to go to court ?
> >> It seems to me that all the hassle of such a procedure , and
> >> traveling from the north the vendor offices (usually in the center)
> >> and back in case I will win it, is simply is not acceptable for me.
> >>
> >> And if I am not wrong, I heard that there are man known vendors who seel
> >> laptops with free linux abroad. And this is true for quite a time.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Rafi
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Hi Rafi,
> >
> > I have recently bought an Eee Pc by Asus from Panda, with
> > Pre-installed Linux and no Windows. However, the EeePc is only a
> > modest mini laptop, which might not suit your needs.
> >
> > Orna.
> >

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Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 10:00:14AM +0200, Zvi Devir wrote:

>  News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel!
>
> Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html

Great news. Good to see that this is being made public.

Dell (Israel?) does seem to have a policy to provide its lower end 
laptops with FreeDOS as an OS. At least this is the impression I get from 
a quick glance at zap.co.il:

* Lower-end Dell models tend to be offered with "NO OS" or "FreeDOS" as 
  the base option, and with various MS-Windows versions added for extra 
  charge.

* On higher end Dell models this is no longer the case. XP professions or 
  Vista professional seem to be the base standard there.

* Computers of most other vendors don't seem to have a similar "NO OS" 
  option.

And while I'm at it:

  http://zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=694287


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Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Tal Abir]

That is fantastic!!!
Have you gave a notable statement yet? (one small step for man kinda
statement...)

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>  News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel!
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Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Sorana Fraier]

Well done. Congratulations. Thanks for insisting for publicity as well. Now
it's time for party. ;-)

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Adir Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Congratulations. You rock :)
>
> On 12/3/08, Zvi Devir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>  News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel!
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Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Oron Peled]

On Wednesday, 3 בDecember 2008, Zvi Devir wrote:
> News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel!

Just read the news. This is a very big WOW and the PR was
also very good. Thanks for your time and effort.

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Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/12/3 Rafi Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Zvi,
>  - First, congratulations for winning this important battle !
>
>  - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future.
>
> And indeed, after surfing many  israeli websites, I found out that all
> of them come with windows. I don't intend to use windows on my laptop.
> So may I ask: How long this process you ran took ? (from going to
> court till getting that payment) ? what do you advice me to do ?
>
> Or let's put it this way: it seems that your important struggle took a lot
> of time and headache. You won your case. However, from what appears
> in that news item, I doubt whether it is a precedent. They say there
> that it was a "pshara", and it says there that they are not
> binded by this case and it is "לפנים משורת הדין",
>
> So what do you advice me to do ?  to buy and then to go to court ?
> It seems to me that all the hassle of such a procedure , and
> traveling from the north the vendor offices (usually in the center)
> and back in case I will win it, is simply is not acceptable for me.
>
> And if I am not wrong, I heard that there are man known vendors who seel
> laptops with free linux abroad. And this is true for quite a time.
>
>
> Regards,
> Rafi
>

Rafi, contact Dell in Israel and tell them that you want a computer
with either Ubuntu/FreeDOS (they call these Open Source Laptops in
Dell-speak) or no OS at all. If we do not start telling the
distributors that we want this, then how can we expect them to provide
it?

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