/usr/bin/top for kernel processes

[Michael Sternberg]

Hello.
>From time to time I notice in output of /usr/bin/top that my system CPU
time jumps to nearly 90%. How can I know which task kernel performs ?
I'm looking for some kind of "top" for kernel.. Maybe some file in /proc
directory ?

Thanks, Michael


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Re: /usr/bin/top for kernel processes

[Muli Ben-Yehuda]

On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 10:39:05AM +0200, Michael Sternberg wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> >From time to time I notice in output of /usr/bin/top that my system CPU
> time jumps to nearly 90%. How can I know which task kernel performs ?
> I'm looking for some kind of "top" for kernel.. Maybe some file in /proc
> directory ?

Without patching anything in particular, you can use Magic-SysRq-t
(IIRC) to get a stack trace of where in kernel space each process is
spending its time. Also, ps should have an option to show where each
task is waiting now. This will give you a rough indication, but what
you really want is probably something like oprofile
(http://oprofile.sf.net) (now in kernel 2.5), or the Linux Trace
Toolkit (http://www.opersys.com/LTT/), for kernel profiling. 
-- 
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http://www.mulix.org


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OT: Revolution Vs Reform

[Guy Baruch]

I think rms and the FSF guys are revolutionaries, while OS guys are 
reformers.


A revolutionary look at the defects of the current system (in this case, 
potential
exploit of proprietary software in terms of human freedom ) and decides to
destroy and rebuild (in this case, abolish _ALL_ proprietary information 
filters).

A reformer sees the same issues, but also sees the value in the current 
system
(or the high cost of revolution) and decides to change the system from 
within.
Thus, OS guys try to write open software not just because open standards 
are
better technically, but because of ideology. They, however, do not want 
to throw
away all the great human effort spent on proprietary software R&D .  But 
fix
the system where it needs it the most.


which one is preferable ? it's a matter of a person's temper as well as 
views.
In some cases the system is so bad, the "potential difference" so great, 
that a revolution must happen no matter what your temper is.


is this such an extreme case ?


I'm not convinced that this is the case. I think proposed DRaconian 
Measures
have little chance of succeeding, in the long run. And that even if 
education
does not immediately bear fruit, non-US political powers will stop the 
legistlation,
patenting and hardware-related madness in the short term, after which the
djin's out of the bottle.

furthermore, I believe proprietary devellopment has its' merits, when 
functioning
as a moderated organ of society and not as an unchecked cancer.


so I tend to back the reformers on this one ...

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That steal the goose from off the common,
But let the greater villain loose
That steals the common from the goose.

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RE: Samba server share won't do Hebrew [SOLVED]

[Alon Weinstein]

Thanks everyone, problem solved. The problem was indeed in the Win2K
client, not the Samba server. After checking from other Win2K machines I
found that the Default System Locale must be set to Hebrew to make it
work. I'd be happy to get some explanation why is that -- what happens
behind the scenes in the Windows box that makes this mandatory -- after
all I can use Hebrew file names on the Win box even without making
Hebrew the default locale. (Since this is a Linux mailing list I guess
the answer should not go on the list)

*Thanks again for all the help everyone*

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Yedidyah Bar-David
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:31 PM
> To: Alon Weinstein
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Samba server share won't do Hebrew
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 07:16:12PM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote:
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
> Yedidyah Bar-David
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 5:49 PM
> > > To: Alon Weinstein
> > > Cc: 'Yedidyah Bar-David'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Samba server share won't do Hebrew
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 03:34:53PM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote:
> > > > > > I've setup Samba as a PDC for my network. Everything works
> > > > > OK except
> > > > > > for Hebrew file names -- I just can't make it work. I tried
> > > > > following
> > > > > > the instructions in the Samba manual & in Iglu.org.il.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What could be the cause of this? Is it a problem 
> with my Samba 
> > > > > > configuration, my codepages (is there a place I can
> > > download them
> > > > > > from?), my Win2K configuration?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think you also need to add to smb.conf this:
> > > > > valid chars = 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 
> > > > > 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249
> > > 250 253 254
> > > > > 
> > > > >   Didi
> > > > > 
> > > > Thanks Didi, but it didn't work I looked up the 
> "valid chars"
> > > > config. -- it was used before internationalization was 
> > > added to Samba
> > > > 2.0 -- it's not obsolete. Either way I tried adding it -- no 
> > > > change.
> > > 
> > > Did it ever work for you, and stopped working?
> > > We had sometimes specific clients that had problems with
> > > hebrew filenames, client-side problems. They simply stopped 
> > > working. It was always a client configuration problem - not 
> > > on samba. You can try a Localized Hebrew Win98, and after it 
> > > works move to 2000/XP (which are more complex).
> > 
> > never worked. I've delayed adding other computers to the 
> domain until 
> > this issue is resolved - this is a new installation. I 
> don't have an 
> > option for using Win98 - I must be able to connect Win2K boxes (not
> 
> I do not suggest Win98 as a permanent solution, only as 
> something which works with Hebrew out-of-the-box.
> 
> > Hebrew localized). Are there any special tweaks you know of 
> in Win2K 
> > that might change something?
> 
> Not that I know of, but I didn't configure them.
> 
> Something else:
> When you create a file, say ".txt", what do 
> you get in the Samba side (do 'ls -l --show-control-chars | 
> od -tx1')? Also, is saving hebrew named files to shares on 
> other Windows machines (both NT and 9x) work? What do you get 
> on the server (especially in 9x - samba behaves like 9x until 
> 3.0 will be released with unicode)?
> 
>   Didi
> 
> > 
> > > The only (relevant) option we use is 'valid chars'. I also
> > > wrote a patch that causes samba to save the names in 
> > > ISO8859-8 (instead of CP862), but this is only relevant for 
> > > reading the files from the server (or via NFS) - it never made a
> > change on the client side (assuming you do not move between 
> > patched 
> > and unpatched sambas). You can get it from 
> > . BTW, we still use samba 
> 2.2.2, but I 


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Re: Samsung ADSL modems

[Ishai Parasol]

- Original Message -
> I don't know about driver for Linux for the ADSL modem, simply because my
boss
> didn't give me any sample to test and play with, but again - GO buy an
> Alcatel, even at eBay, which you can find for $20-$50 a piece.


Any idea where can I buy one of those (or the pro one) in Israel ?

Ishai.



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Re: OT: Revolution Vs Reform

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

Vadim Vygonets wrote:
(posted to list)

> I usually release my stuff under the two-clause BSD license.

But the univeristy may have a different view

Geoff.
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Re: Samba server share won't do Hebrew [SOLVED]

[Shachar Shemesh]

Alon Weinstein wrote:


Thanks everyone, problem solved. The problem was indeed in the Win2K
client, not the Samba server. After checking from other Win2K machines I
found that the Default System Locale must be set to Hebrew to make it
work. I'd be happy to get some explanation why is that -- what happens
behind the scenes in the Windows box that makes this mandatory -- after
all I can use Hebrew file names on the Win box even without making
Hebrew the default locale. (Since this is a Linux mailing list I guess
the answer should not go on the list)

*Thanks again for all the help everyone*
 

I think I can rise up to that challange.

Windows have two different locale settings. The user's locale and the 
system's default locale.
The system default locale affects the codepage used when performing 
non-unicode operations.
The interface language (which translates to the resource picked when no 
language is specifically requested) is determined primarily by the 
language of the windows installed (since Windows 98 - before that it was 
taken from the locale, as you would have expected).
I'm still looking for somewhere that the user's locale makes any 
difference at all in any way.

That being the case, when you type a bunch of characters, they are 
stored (in non-unicode apps) according to the codepage dictated by the 
system default locale. When that is set to "English (U.S.)", this 
translates to Windows-1251 codepage, which means that the E0-FA range 
are a bunch of lating accented characters. When you set it to "Hebrew", 
you use Windows-1255 codepage, which means that the E0-FA range is the 
Hebrew alphabet in the usual order.

Why then can you locally save Hebrew named files? Because both NTFS and 
LFN (Long File Names) FAT store the names in Unicode. This means that 
once you typed the names in Hebrew, you will have no problem displaying 
them in Hebrew as well. Alas, this is not true of other applications. 
You will find that non-unicode applications (which roughly translates to 
"anything other than notepad") cannot access these files. They ask for 
the file name, receive a bunch of questions marks, and fail. This is 
particularily annoyingly true of Word 2000.

I hope this clears the confusion somewhat.

   Shachar

--
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"Hamakor" board member (http://www.hamakor.org.il)



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Re: OT: Revolution Vs Reform

[Vadim Vygonets]

Quoth Guy Baruch on Mon, Jan 20, 2003:
> I think rms and the FSF guys are revolutionaries, while OS guys are 
> reformers.
[...]
> Thus, OS guys try to write open software not just because open standards 
> are
> better technically, but because of ideology. They, however, do not want 
> to throw
> away all the great human effort spent on proprietary software R&D .  But 
> fix
> the system where it needs it the most.

Of course, I can't speak on anybody except myself, so I will
express my stand on the matter.  I don't actively work on any
free and/or open source software.  If I do something which is not
secret, non-trivial and generic enough to be potentially useful
for other people, I usually try to post the links to the relevant
mailing lists, and let the others propagate this information if
they deem appropriate.

I don't do it for ideology, of course, I do it because walking an
extra meter to help the world is in my nature (walking an extra
mile often isn't), but there is one little place in which
ideology matters, and it's the license.  I regard Stallman's
views as extreme, and if somebody needs something for his job
which I already implemented, I actively want them to take it, so
I usually release my stuff under the two-clause BSD license.

Vadik.

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It was state of the art, he said.
The art in this case was probably pottery.
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Re: /usr/bin/top for kernel processes

[guy keren]

On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Michael Sternberg wrote:

> Hello.
> >From time to time I notice in output of /usr/bin/top that my system CPU
> time jumps to nearly 90%. How can I know which task kernel performs ?
> I'm looking for some kind of "top" for kernel.. Maybe some file in /proc
> directory ?

please note that 'system' time will include the time spent by user-space 
processes, running in kernel mode. for example, if a process does a lot of 
disk I/O, then you'll see it is spending a lot of time in 'system' mode, 
and thus 'top' will show the 'system' time as non-zero. the same goes for 
other types of heavy I/O (networking, swapping, interrupt handling).

without too much hasteling, you could use a few standard utilities ot help 
you debug problems. there is 'vmstat' (run it as 'vmstat 3' to refresh 
every 3 seconds, and ignore the first line of output. read the man page 
for more info). there is 'iostat' (similar, but concentrates on device 
I/O, like disks). you might also have 'sar'. 

in order to actually decipher the output of these programs, you should 
look at what they show you wihle the system is in 'silent' mode, and then 
compare that to what they show under various types of activities. then 
compare to other systems - otherwise, you'll have no idea what 'high 
ammount of context switches' is, or what ammount of interrupts per second 
makes the mahcine too slow... you need to know the capacity of your 
machine, in order to know if its saturated regarding activity of a given 
resource, or not (i.e. if its getting so many interrupts per second, that 
this comes on account of its ability to run user-space programs, etc).

i don't suppose this will actually help you in the short run, but perhaps 
it will in the long run. if you manage to find a resource that gives 
'proper numbers' for various types of hardware - let me know, please ;)
will help me quite alot.

-- 
guy

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 or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy


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Re: Samba server share won't do Hebrew [SOLVED]

[Oron Peled]

On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:55:18 +0200
"Alon Weinstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hebrew the default locale. (Since this is a Linux mailing list I guess
> the answer should not go on the list)

On the contrary, the answer (with details) should be on the list
because:
- Many list members (not me) contributed help and are
  entitled for a summary.
- Integrating various Win* beasts with Samba is IMO
  very on-topic (especially with hebrew related problems)

Expecting... :-)


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first place.  So if your code is as clever as you can possibly make 
it, then by definition you're not smart enough to debug it." 
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Re: [Haifux] This week Haifux meeting

[Muli Ben-Yehuda]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 11:24:26AM +0200, Orr Dunkelman wrote:
> 
> Next Monday (20/1/3), 18:30, Computer Science bldg. Technion (Taub)
> lecture room 6, Muli Ben Yehuda is going to talk about Kernel
> Hacking.

Actually, I'm going to talk about Kernel Oopsing, which is like kernel
hacking, only in reverse. 

Lecture slides are now available at
http://www.mulix.org/lectures/kernel_oopsing/kernel_oopsing.pdf
-- 
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http://www.mulix.org


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People n' computers "interest groups" - meeting summary

[Shachar Shemesh]

Hi all,

Yesturday wev'e been to the "People n' Computers" thingy. From "Hamakor" 
Doron and myself arrived, and from this list Eli Marmor was also there.

My understanding of this "Interest Groups" is not 100% firm. Apparently 
they have formulated very solid interest groups for Java, and are 
seeking to repeat the success. They are trying to create such interest 
groups for Linux, and want to announce them somewhere at the begining of 
March.

The idea behind these groups, as far as I could understand it, is that 
you organize meetings open to all, and intended to all, in those areas. 
The content and activity of said group is pretty much up to the group 
moderator/organizer. There don't SEEM to be too big a direct commercial 
influence, but as for that only time will tell.

My memory is a little hazy, so you'll forgive me for any inaccuracies. I 
will get the email summarizing the meeting, hopefully today, and I'll 
send any amendments, if necessary. The most importnat thing to note is 
this. This is probably no place for "delegators". The next meeting will 
be on Jan 27th. Anyone who is interested in affecting/becoming a 
moderator, will please reserve the date (it ought to be around 16:00, 
probably Dan Panorama).

During the meeting, aside from me trying to get an idea what these 
interest groups actually are, a few interest groups were selected. Those 
I remeber are (there was about one more, I think):
Linux for businesses
Linux Infrastructures
Programming (I'm the moderator)
Hebrew (Eli is the moderator).

In addition to those, the "Linux for education" interest group is 
looking for a moderator, and the "Linux security" is currently inside 
the "Linux for businesses", but I said I can think of someone who will 
be more than willing to moderate that. As that someone is on the list, I 
am hereby giving equal opertunity to ANYONE who wants to moderate that 
to step forward.

The moderators need to push the forum. They are not the sole responisble 
for the contents in the forum, but they are should consider themselves 
the initiators and pushers (if you'll excuse my furthering of the drugs 
world analogies, already in abundance in the computer world.

One more thing that Peli (People'n computers editor) said is that they 
are looking for good articles IN HEBREW on the subject of Linux and open 
source (though you can write about free software - they won't tell the 
difference).

   Shachar

--
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"Hamakor" board member (http://www.hamakor.org.il)



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Installing a Lexmark printer for sharing

[Alon Weinstein]

Hello.

I'm having trouble understanding what I need to do to install a printer
and share it via Samba.
I'm trying to install a Lexmark E322 using a parallel cable. This
printer has drivers provided by Lexmark. I installed the RPMs, ran the
configuration utility, created a virtual device and a spool, and I can
see the printer on the Samba share from Windows, but I can't print.
I managed to send a raw postscript file to the printer using cat file.ps
| cat_parallel -d /dev/lp0, and it printed it OK. But I don't know how
to test the device or the spool. I don't have KDE or GNOME installed,
just console.
How can I send a print job via the print spool to test it?

Thanks.


Alon.


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Re: People n' computers "interest groups" - meeting summary

[Gabor Szabo]

On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Yesturday wev'e been to the "People n' Computers" thingy. From "Hamakor" 
> Doron and myself arrived, and from this list Eli Marmor was also there.

As I was also on the meeting and I am also on this list so
let me add my 2 more cents here.


> 
> My understanding of this "Interest Groups" is not 100% firm. 

To get a bit more insight on the Java Interest Groups "kahatim"
you can go to their home page at http://www.ijug.org.il/ .

My understanding is that while iglu and the other mailing lists
are continous and money less communication channels, with
small meetings at some frequency the Interest groups are 
just meetings 2-6 times a year (perg group).

To describe it in another way, iglu and co. are more like peer-to-peer 
networks while the Interest Groups IMHO are more like "few to many"
communication channels.

IMHO - but I did not participate in the Java effort I only went to the 
second I.JUG conference - they, the interest groups don't have working 
mailing list or forum with continous communication like this mailing list.

To put it another way. There are some big players in the field that would 
like to tell the market how good Linux/Open Source/FSF (I think they don't
care at this point) is and how much they support it. They are also willing 
to put money on it to create these communication channels.

The question is who fills these channels by content ?
The corporations (because they payed the money) or the IGLU (and co.) 
members who have a lot to say about how to use Linux.

I belive the corporations would want to get the content we can create
as this will make the meetings bigger and more interesting for the
general public (or at least I think they think so. Hmm. Whatever I wanted 
to say by that).


regards
   Gabor
   Where did my camel go today ?




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Re: Installing a Lexmark printer for sharing

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

> I'm having trouble understanding what I need to do to install a printer
> and share it via Samba.
> I'm trying to install a Lexmark E322 using a parallel cable. This
> printer has drivers provided by Lexmark. I installed the RPMs, ran the
> configuration utility, created a virtual device and a spool, and I can
> see the printer on the Samba share from Windows, but I can't print.
> I managed to send a raw postscript file to the printer using cat file.ps
>
> | cat_parallel -d /dev/lp0, and it printed it OK. But I don't know how

What do you use? CUPS or LPRng?

Anyway, here's a link to Red Hat documentation inside Red Hat (for example): 
http://witch.dyndns.org/stuff/RH81-install/RH-DOCS/rhl-sap-en-8.0.93/s1-printers-sharing.html

Thanks,
Hetz

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RE: Installing a Lexmark printer for sharing

[Alon Weinstein]

> From: Hetz Ben Hamo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 4:26 PM
> To: Alon Weinstein; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Installing a Lexmark printer for sharing
> 
> 
> > I'm having trouble understanding what I need to do to install a 
> > printer and share it via Samba. I'm trying to install a 
> Lexmark E322 
> > using a parallel cable. This printer has drivers provided 
> by Lexmark. 
> 
> What do you use? CUPS or LPRng?
> 
> Anyway, here's a link to Red Hat documentation inside Red Hat 
> (for example): 
> http://witch.dyndns.org/stuff/RH81-install/RH-DOCS/rhl-sap-en-
> 8.0.93/s1-printers-sharing.html
> 

My problem is more basic - I don't even know how to test the printer
from the Linux box -- how can I send a print job to the spool from the
command line? The test I did just sends a raw PS to the LPT port -- it
don't think it validates the printer installation is correct. And I
already did the Samba configuration shown in the link, and the printer
is shown on the Win computers.

Thanks.

Alon.


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Re: Installing a Lexmark printer for sharing

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

> My problem is more basic - I don't even know how to test the printer
> from the Linux box -- how can I send a print job to the spool from the
> command line? The test I did just sends a raw PS to the LPT port -- it
> don't think it validates the printer installation is correct. And I
> already did the Samba configuration shown in the link, and the printer
> is shown on the Win computers.

Well, start by installing CUPS, then just open a web browser and go to 
http://localhost:630 and configure your printer, so make sure it prints. If 
you got it to print so far - thats good..

Next - in order to sure, read the DOCS in the link I gave you in my previous 
email..

Thanks,
Hetz

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Re: People n' computers "interest groups" - meeting summary

[Shaul Karl]

On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 02:47:54PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Yesturday wev'e been to the "People n' Computers" thingy.


  Thank you for the work and the report.


>I 
> will get the email summarizing the meeting, hopefully today, and I'll 
> send any amendments, if necessary.


  Do post that summary. Do send it to me privately in case you believe 
there is nothing to post to the list.

  Are the moderators getting paid?
  If I understand the whole thing correctly, P&C will supply the 
computational resources for these new forums. Will the forums themselves
get introduced in new portals or new dedicated sites? Can you give some
pointers to the existing forums (the Java and others)? How do they
measure the successfulness of the forums?


> 
>Shachar
> 
> -- 
> Shachar Shemesh
> "Hamakor" board member (http://www.hamakor.org.il)
> 

-- 

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Re: Samsung ADSL modems

[voguemaster]

Alcatels are pretty rare commodity now.
I've heard you can find some at BezeqStore but whether they've got some
in their inventory at the moment, who knows. I've also heard that Bezeq
have ordered more Alcatels. I wonder when we'll see those...

Eli

20/01/03 12:22:51, Ishai Parasol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>- Original Message -
>> I don't know about driver for Linux for the ADSL modem, simply because my
>boss
>> didn't give me any sample to test and play with, but again - GO buy an
>> Alcatel, even at eBay, which you can find for $20-$50 a piece.
>
>
>Any idea where can I buy one of those (or the pro one) in Israel ?
>
>Ishai.
>
>
>
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RE: Installing a Lexmark printer for sharing

[Alon Weinstein]

> > My problem is more basic - I don't even know how to test 
> the printer 
> > from the Linux box -- how can I send a print job to the 
> spool from the 
> > command line? The test I did just sends a raw PS to the LPT 
> port -- it 
> > don't think it validates the printer installation is correct. And I 
> > already did the Samba configuration shown in the link, and 
> the printer 
> > is shown on the Win computers.
> 
> Well, start by installing CUPS, then just open a web browser 
> and go to 
> http://localhost:630 and configure your printer, so make sure 
> it prints. If 
> you got it to print so far - thats good..
> 
> Next - in order to sure, read the DOCS in the link I gave you 
> in my previous 
> email..
> 
> Thanks,
> Hetz
> 

OK. I installed CUPS, and printed a test page successfully from the
Linux box. I configured Samba to use CUPS for printing (printing = cups,
printcap = cups), tried a few configurations in the [printers] share
(according to a few tutorials) -- the best I can get is to see the
printer in the Windows box, but I can't print a test page...
On one box it says no permission, on the other it just says it can't
send the print job.

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Re: Samsung ADSL modems

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

On Monday 20 January 2003 17:37, voguemaster wrote:
> Alcatels are pretty rare commodity now.
> I've heard you can find some at BezeqStore but whether they've got some
> in their inventory at the moment, who knows. I've also heard that Bezeq
> have ordered more Alcatels. I wonder when we'll see those...

I had on the contrary things - that Bezeq decided to stop ordering Alcatel 
modems. 

Thanks,
Hetz

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Re: Samsung ADSL modems

[voguemaster]

Indeed that was what they've intended. However, their Samsung modems
have failed completely (from my understand they discovered a problem with
them) so they've stopped issuing them. The Rotal and others are causing
problems so Bezeq decided to order another batch.

Eli

20/01/03 19:30:21, Hetz Ben Hamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Monday 20 January 2003 17:37, voguemaster wrote:
>> Alcatels are pretty rare commodity now.
>> I've heard you can find some at BezeqStore but whether they've got some
>> in their inventory at the moment, who knows. I've also heard that Bezeq
>> have ordered more Alcatels. I wonder when we'll see those...
>
>I had on the contrary things - that Bezeq decided to stop ordering Alcatel 
>modems. 
>
>Thanks,
>Hetz
>
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Re: [Haifux] This week Haifux meeting

[Muli Ben-Yehuda]

On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:23:16PM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 11:24:26AM +0200, Orr Dunkelman wrote:
> > 
> > Next Monday (20/1/3), 18:30, Computer Science bldg. Technion (Taub)
> > lecture room 6, Muli Ben Yehuda is going to talk about Kernel
> > Hacking.
> 
> Actually, I'm going to talk about Kernel Oopsing, which is like kernel
> hacking, only in reverse. 
> 
> Lecture slides are now available at
> http://www.mulix.org/lectures/kernel_oopsing/kernel_oopsing.pdf

Since several people asked: the lecture slides were written in LaTeX,
using the prosper (http://prosper.sf.net) style. Spiffy graphics in
the comfort of your LaTeX environment. They were presented using 
'xpdf -fullscreen foo.pdf' 

Source is available at
http://www.mulix.org/lectures/kernel_oopsing/kernel_oopsing.tex
-- 
Muli Ben-Yehuda

http://www.mulix.org


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Re: People n' computers "interest groups" - meeting summary

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 16:59, Shaul Karl wrote:
>   If I understand the whole thing correctly, P&C will supply the 
> computational resources for these new forums. Will the forums themselves
> get introduced in new portals or new dedicated sites? Can you give some
> pointers to the existing forums (the Java and others)? How do they
> measure the successfulness of the forums?

I *think* the word forum here relates to an interest group and not the
familiar web based forums. In short - the meeting are live, face to
face. 

Scary people, these commercial folks, aren't they?... :-)

Gilad.


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Re: Samsung ADSL modems

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

On Monday 20 January 2003 20:20, voguemaster wrote:
> Indeed that was what they've intended. However, their Samsung modems
> have failed completely (from my understand they discovered a problem with
> them) so they've stopped issuing them. The Rotal and others are causing
> problems so Bezeq decided to order another batch.
>
> Eli

The Rotal modems are available only because ISP's like Netvision, Bezeq 
International, Internet Zahav and others wants to buy the CHEAPEST modems 
available and give it to their clients for "free" (free=subscribe for 6 
months and you won't pay for the modem. Also the prices in Bezeq store are 
simply OUTRAGEOUS for those modems - my guess is that Bezeq gets about X10 
profit from selling them compared to their costs).

(yeah, you figured, I hate so much my job...)

Thanks,
Hetz



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Re: adsl usb modems

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

On Monday 20 January 2003 21:31, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
> here are the links to this usb driver:
>
> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download.php
> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/eciadsl-usermode-0.6-2.i386.rpm

Yeah, thats the updated driver.

> I think it is for this modem:
> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/modems.php?lang=fr&modem=17
>
> can anyone confirm that?  is this the Rotal modem mentioned in hetz howto?

Yeah, confirmed, thats the modem, prepare for some real headache (and my guess 
- you'll hear my voice in the support...good luck getting us on the phone ;)

>  I want a free modem! (free=hinam..., and I know what that means, my box
> will not be up 24/7...)

LOL, LOL, LOL!!

Do: /sbin/lspci | grep USB - if it's not Intel 82801, then you'll have LOTS of 
disconnections. Guaranteed.

> hetz: in penguin.org there is only a source code. please upload also the
> rpm (and deb when available).

I will, later a bit.

> now hear (was kinda funny): i called yes to ask which modems do they give,
> and the *not* cure chick (which could barly read nor distinguish a pc and a
> microwave) said: pci and usb. I sayd cool, which companies. so I said again
> which companies, she said again pci and usb. i tried to explain her that I
> dont have windows installed so she told me to install xp at that point
> i asked her to call support and

There's PCI and USB. The USB is crappy, and all the patches you'll get are 
shitty and worthless (management knows it, but they insist to send them to 
customers - they are worth as same as rebooting windows).

The PCI ones are just the same shitty as USB, but this time - there aren't any 
patches.

Now here's the trick: lets say you're disconnected every 5 minutes and a 
technician is coming to you - if (by replacing the modem) it won't solve the 
problem - then you'll pay 150 NIS.

Thanks,
Hetz

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Fw: install rh 7.3 on big hd with discwizard

[Freiman]

 

Hello!
I bought a new hd from seagate. it's too big for my 
bios (40 gb), so i install it with discwizard. i do th partition with 
discwizard, and start to install rh 7.3. the installer recognize the full size 
of hd, and the partition that i did. but when it start wrote the boot image to 
the hd. it said that i have problem with disk space.
thank you
moti