some problems with mensural music
Hi, I am trying to typeset some 16th century hymns with lilypond. I mostly can make it work, but I have a few remaining problems. My working file is: http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/questions.ly My problems are the following: 1) I would like to show the tempo with mensural notes, not as it comes out in the above example 2) the ligrature \[g1( f)\] comes out with a slur, but I would like to avoid the slur; however, if I remove (...), the synchronization of the lyrics is screwed up ; how can I put one syllable on \[g1( f)\] without having the slur appear? In my 16th century example which I try to mimic, there are no slurs; the same problem occurs with other constructions such as \[d\breve( c)\] 3) I would like a key like mensural-f, but on the third line, not on the second line from the top; is this possible? 4) for more recent layouts, is it possible to change the slope of the beams? Thank you very much in advance! Denis Roegel ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: some problems with mensural music
\override Slur #'transparent = ##t \version "2.12.0" \addInstrumentDefinition #"mensuralf3" #`( (clefGlyph . "clefs.mensural.f") (middleCPosition . 4) (clefPosition . 0)) \instrumentSwitch "mensuralf3" Thanks, this works fine. However, is there a way to increase the size of this clef? Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
hiding the tempo
Hi, I would like to set the tempo for the MIDI file, but not display the tempo information at the beginning of the score. Is this possible? Thanks, Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
negative spaces for fine tuning?
Hi, the music layout can be changed by adding rests such as s4, but is it possible to include some negative spaces? Thanks, Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
setting notes alone
Hi, sometimes I want to discuss some details of a score, and I want to use the note symbols alone, without any staff. For instance, I may want to say that a breve is equal to two semibreves, and have the right symbols, and no staff. How can I achieve this? Thanks, Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
non overriding \clefs
Hi, if I start a score with \clef treble \clef bass, I only get the bass \clef. Is it possible to have both appear, one after the other, even though there is no note for the treble \clef? Thanks, Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: hiding the tempo
Quoting Jonathan Kulp :
Yes, you can set it in the \midi block, although the format is a bit more
convoluted. Here's an example where the quarter is set to 160 beats per
minute:
\midi {
\context {
\Score
tempoWholesPerMinute = #(ly:make-moment 160 4)
}
}
Thanks. What had escaped me is that this is only taken into
accound when the \tempo information is not given. Anyway, it answers
my question.
Denis
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adding footnote calls
Hi, I would like to write comments on a score, and specifically, I would like to add something like a circled 1, a circled 2, or a small letter, etc. in various places, so that later I can write: (1) this note ... (2) this group of notes differs from ... I am looking for something like an horizontal bracket to which I could add a tag, above or below. I am sure this has already been done, but I didn't find a good example. Thanks, Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
staves with example notes, ancient and modern
Hi, I would like to reproduce the first two staves of the section "Note values" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensural_notation, with the label on the left. That is, I am trying to make Modern ... staff ... notation (possibly with the note names) White notation ... staff ... (with the note names) and I would like the notes being aligned. Thanks, Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: staves with example notes, ancient and modern
I would like to reproduce the first two staves of the section "Note values" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensural_notation, with the label on the left. That is, I am trying to make Modern ... staff ... notation (possibly with the note names) White notation ... staff ... (with the note names) This is a rather general request. What is it that is giving you difficulty? Hi, perhaps I wasn't totally clear. I can get the two staves, but I want the texts "Modern notation" and "White notation" on the left, as well as an alignment of the notes. I wasn't sure about the best way to achieve this, either by a LaTeX tabular, or internally in lilypond. Have you started? Do you have some experience with lilypond? Have you read the Learning Manual? I have read some material and have typeset a Mozart sonata, as well as several 16th century mensural pieces. I am currently working on a very small project, and I have only a few things to do. All my music is already typeset, but I want to annotate a few items. Lastly, I don't know if you know about it, but there is a french speaking mailing list for lilypond users. It's at http:// lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr Thanks, but usually, even when there is a French group, I prefer using the English one, where people are generally more knowledgeable, and more numerous. Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Fwd: staves with example notes, ancient and modern
Quoting Marek Klein :
Hi,
something like this?
\version "2.13.2"
pattern = { \cadenzaOn e'4 e'2. e'1 e'\breve e'\longa \bar "|" }
pmensural = {
\set fontSize = #6
\override NoteHead #'style = #'mensural
\pattern
}
\score {
<<
\new Staff {
\override Staff.InstrumentName #'self-alignment-X = #LEFT
\set Staff.instrumentName = "mensural "
\pmensural
}
Yes, thank you! This is almost what I want. Can I also put the
instrument information on several lines, for instance
mensural
notation
?
Thanks again,
Denis
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some spacing problems
Hi, I want to show the correspondence between white mensural notes and modern notes. So far, I have been able to produce the following: http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/questions2.pdf http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/questions2.ly I am still trying to improve this a little bit. I would like - to have the maxima start a little bit more towards the right, so that the word "maxima" does not extend out of the staff - I would like to have a symmetric effect on the right - I would like to get rid of the bars on the right, but if I remove my \bar "", the semifusa extends beyond the staff:-( Thanks, Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
arbitrary TeX expressions in a score?
Hi, is it possible to include some arbitrary TeX expression in a score? Let's assume that for some reason I want to add $\int_0^\infty ...$ above a note. Can it be done? I assume that in the worst case I can produce an image for this formula and include the image, but is there an easier way? Such an escape is perhaps not that useful for math, but there are plenty of cases where it would be useful, when the annotation becomes real typesetting and some more advanced features or fonts are needed, or merely some coherence between a score and the text in which it is embedded. Thanks, Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: arbitrary TeX expressions in a score?
Quoting Graham Percival :
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 03:41:24PM +0200, denis.roe...@loria.fr wrote:
is it possible to include some arbitrary TeX expression in a score?
Let's assume that for some reason I want to add $\int_0^\infty ...$
above a note. Can it be done? I assume that in the worst case I can
produce an image for this formula and include the image, but is there
an easier way?
There's no easier way. Producing an eps and including that in a
markup is the only way. If you want lots of introductory
explanations, you could use lilypond-book, but I don't think
that's what you're after here.
But this would really be worth adding to lilypond. I am thinking
of something similar to the call of TeX or LaTeX in metapost:
btex $c^2=a^2+b^2$ etex
or as a string
tex("$c^2=a^2+b^2$")
That way, you could easily add paragraphs formated with TeX in various places,
you could have all the symbols you want, and especially reach better
homogeneity between the text and the score. One of the most serious
current problem seems to be the discrepancy between the text font
in a LaTeX file and the lyrics font in a score. Perhaps it can be made
identical in some cases, but it is not automatic, and the different
font families hurt the eyes.
Denis Roegel
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Re: arbitrary TeX expressions in a score?
With the possible exception of the font commands for markup or
things like the current date and time, I don't think that lilypond
output should depend on the computer.
Doesn't it already depend on a LaTeX installation? Just a few days ago
I reinstalled my computer, and on Ubuntu, the lilypond package required
some TeX packages which I noticed, because I mistakenly forgot
to install texlive first, which I usually do.
However, I am not saying that lilypond should depend on TeX,
but if it could have some optional way to call TeX, that would be better.
Perhaps I am a typographical purist, but if I have some text font
in my document, I don't want to mix just any font for lyrics.
Another example is the following. In some of my scores,
I put boxed letters as annotations:
\override TextScript #'stencil =
#(make-stencil-boxer 0.1 0.3 ly:text-interface::print)
and then later c1_"a" or something like that.
In my text, I write "\fbox{a} is ...", but my \fbox{a} isn't spaced
exactly like the box produced by stencil. There are probably many examples
like this. I can live with them, but it could also be improved.
Denis Roegel
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Re: arbitrary TeX expressions in a score?
In my text, I write "\fbox{a} is ...", but my \fbox{a} isn't spaced
exactly like the box produced by stencil. There are probably many examples
like this. I can live with them, but it could also be improved.
My first instinct is that something like this could be fixed,
although not without a proper minimal example.
Sorry, I should have posted a minimal example. Here is one:
http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/test.tex
http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/score.ly
lilypond-book --pdf --o=out test.tex
cd out
pdflatex test.tex
The squared boxes are not the same. This is not a surprise, but it could
be improved. But really, the problem is exactly the same in metapost
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaPost).
Denis Roegel
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Re: arbitrary TeX expressions in a score?
Quoting Graham Percival : These are not minimal; minimal means "as small as possible". Please read: http://lilypond.org/~graham/Tiny-examples.html I know that, but I didn't want to make them minimal, thinking that people would enjoy the whole context and ask me more, or tell me that it is not realistic. Next time, I will post a real minimal example. Denis Roegel ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: arbitrary TeX expressions in a score?
Quoting Graham Percival : On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 06:04:41PM +0200, denis.roe...@loria.fr wrote: My first instinct is that something like this could be fixed, although not without a proper minimal example. Sorry, I should have posted a minimal example. Here is one: http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/test.tex http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/score.ly These are not minimal; minimal means "as small as possible". Please read: http://lilypond.org/~graham/Tiny-examples.html I have put more minimal (but not totally minimal) examples at http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/test.tex http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/score.ly To compile: lilypond-book --pdf --o=out test.tex cd out pdflatex test Observe: difference between squares in text and score. I could have made the file test.tex shorter, even keeping the features I want to display, but then sooner or later someone will want to have more context. I think really minimal files should only be sought when the non-minimalness is a drawback, which I don't think is the case here. Denis Roegel ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
centering some markup under a bracket
Hi,
I am trying to center a markup under a bracket, for annotation
purposes. Unfortunately, my markup only appears left of the bracket:
\version "2.12.1"
\score{
\new Staff <<
\new Voice = "one" {
\cadenzaOn
a'\startGroup b'\stopGroup
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "one" { X }
>>
\layout {
\context {
\Staff \consists "Horizontal_bracket_engraver"
}
}
}
Is there any way to fix this? Thanks,
Denis Roegel
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Re: Feature Request: ^\times and _\times
Quoting Graham Percival : On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 03:59:24PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Something else I just though of, is that there isn't a shortcut for setting the direction of stems that aren't beamed. It would be helpful if there were a shortcut you could put after c4 to set the stem direction. Maybe like ^| or _| I think that would be making the syntax too "busy". We don't want to end up like perl. Soomething like ^[ is fine, since we normally use [ and we normally use ^ _ directions. But inventing a new meaning for | would be a mistake. Another idea would be to have a means to define macros, say like in TeX. This would answer the shortcut question minor some extra backslashes. For instance, instead of ^|, one could write \beamup or something like that. Such macros (without parameters) would tremendously simplify lots of pieces of lilypond code, but with parameterized macros it would even be more striking. Denis Roegel ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
