Re: Alternating text and music

[Peter Toye]

All,

Thanks very much for all the suggestions. I had asked for an easy way! Also, 
I'm not 100% fussed about the exact layout as it's only for an example.

So I'm afraid that David's and Urs's solutions are overkill.

Rutger's seems good, - I hadn't realised you could use a repeatTie without a 
repeat! But I want th laisserVibrer tie to match the length of the bar. I tried 
changing its length using

   { c''1~ 1~ 1~ 1~ 1~ 
   \once  \override Voice.LaissezVibrerTieColumn.X-extent = #'( 0.0 . 50.0 )
 1\laissezVibrer  }
  }

but this doesn't seem to have any effect on the length of the tie. Instead it 
changes the amount of room after the tie, which is exactly what I don't want. I 
also tried 

  \override Voice.LaissezVibrerTie.X-extent = #'(0.0  . 50.0  )

with the same result. Any ideas on how to do this?

Ben's is the easiest, but ties the markup to the music. Not a great problem in 
my case, as I can split the music where I want it first and add the text later.

Best regards,

Peter
mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com
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Thursday, July 25, 2019, 8:27:07 PM, David Wright wrote:

>> Le 25 juil. 2019 à 16:45, Peter Toye  a écrit :
>> Alternating text and music I want to engrave a piano piece, and have lines 
>> of text between the staff groups. I know I can do this with several \score 
>> blocks, but unfortunately there are a lot of tied notes at the ends of some 
>> of the lines, which need to be engraved, at both the end and the start of 
>> each line.

>> Is there any easy way of doing this? I'm not very good at the \markup 
>> command :(

> On Thu 25 Jul 2019 at 19:14:40 (+0100), Peter Toye wrote:
>> Something like this but with the tie between the staves.

> The easiest way I know, and which gives you total control, is to:
> set your single \score with one system per page, ie line ≡ page,
> burst¹ the PDF into separate PDF pages, your raw material,
> crop² them so that they're not encumbered with white margins,
> and assemble³ the cropped PDFs and text into the pages/book.

> ¹ $ pdftk filename.pdf burst
> ² $ pdfcrop --margins 1 input.pdf cropped.pdf
> ³ $ pdflatex (or lualatex)
> text-fragments-and-includegraphics-directives.tex

> It's basically what lilypond-book does, but
> lets LP divide the score
> into systems itself. You might need to set
> breakbefore to clear any
> titling from the first line of music, and of course you don't want
> LP's own pagenumbering.

> Problems: your final .tex file will need to be kept in sync if
> you make changes in the score that alters the linebreaking. This
> can be ameliorated if you're using \break
> directives in the score.

> Other methods:

> Problem with markup: your text is tied to musical elements rather
> than the pages you're building.

> Problem with laissezVibrer/repeatTie: you have to slice and dice
> the music yourself, and that interferes with other elements of
> the scores like dynamics, octavation, etc.

> Cheers,
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Re: Alternating text and music

[Urs Liska]

The Tie should have a minimum-length property that would do what you want. Of 
course you'll have to find the value by trial and error, and it will break as 
soon as anything in the horizontal spacing changes ...

26. Juli 2019 13:23, "Peter Toye" mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com?to=%22Peter%20Toye%22%20)> 
schrieb:
 All,

Thanks very much for all the suggestions. I had asked for an easy way! Also, 
I'm not 100% fussed about the exact layout as it's only for an example.

So I'm afraid that David's and Urs's solutions are overkill.

Rutger's seems good, - I hadn't realised you could use a repeatTie without a 
repeat! But I want th laisserVibrer tie to match the length of the bar. I tried 
changing its length using

{ c''1~ 1~ 1~ 1~ 1~
once override Voice.LaissezVibrerTieColumn.X-extent = #'( 0.0 . 50.0 )
1laissezVibrer }
}

but this doesn't seem to have any effect on the length of the tie. Instead it 
changes the amount of room after the tie, which is exactly what I don't want. I 
also tried

override Voice.LaissezVibrerTie.X-extent = #'(0.0 . 50.0 )

with the same result. Any ideas on how to do this?

Ben's is the easiest, but ties the markup to the music. Not a great problem in 
my case, as I can split the music where I want it first and add the text later.

Best regards,

Peter
mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com (mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com)
www.ptoye.com (http://www.ptoye.com)

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Thursday, July 25, 2019, 8:27:07 PM, David Wright wrote:

>> Le 25 juil. 2019 à 16:45, Peter Toye > (mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com)> a écrit :
>> Alternating text and music I want to engrave a piano piece, and have lines 
>> of text between the staff groups. I know I can do this with several score 
>> blocks, but unfortunately there are a lot of tied notes at the ends of some 
>> of the lines, which need to be engraved, at both the end and the start of 
>> each line.

>> Is there any easy way of doing this? I'm not very good at the markup command 
>> :(

> On Thu 25 Jul 2019 at 19:14:40 (+0100), Peter Toye wrote:
>> Something like this but with the tie between the staves.

> The easiest way I know, and which gives you total control, is to:
> set your single score with one system per page, ie line ≡ page,
> burst¹ the PDF into separate PDF pages, your raw material,
> crop² them so that they're not encumbered with white margins,
> and assemble³ the cropped PDFs and text into the pages/book.

> ¹ $ pdftk filename.pdf burst
> ² $ pdfcrop --margins 1 input.pdf cropped.pdf
> ³ $ pdflatex (or lualatex)
> text-fragments-and-includegraphics-directives.tex

> It's basically what lilypond-book does, but
> lets LP divide the score
> into systems itself. You might need to set
> breakbefore to clear any
> titling from the first line of music, and of course you don't want
> LP's own pagenumbering.

> Problems: your final .tex file will need to be kept in sync if
> you make changes in the score that alters the linebreaking. This
> can be ameliorated if you're using break
> directives in the score.

> Other methods:

> Problem with markup: your text is tied to musical elements rather
> than the pages you're building.

> Problem with laissezVibrer/repeatTie: you have to slice and dice
> the music yourself, and that interferes with other elements of
> the scores like dynamics, octavation, etc.

> Cheers,
> David.
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Re: Alternating text and music

[Peter Toye]

Urs,

I tried that but it didn't change the length of the tie, just the space after 
it. And as it's part of the grob interface, there's not even a default setting 
mentioned in the Internals Ref.

Best regards,

Peter
mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com
www.ptoye.com

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Friday, July 26, 2019, 12:46:54 PM, Urs Liska wrote:


The Tie should have a minimum-length property that would do what you want. Of 
course you'll have to find the value by trial and error, and it will break as 
soon as anything in the horizontal spacing changes ...

26. Juli 2019 13:23, "Peter Toye"  schrieb:

All,

Thanks very much for all the suggestions. I had asked for an easy way! Also, 
I'm not 100% fussed about the exact layout as it's only for an example.

So I'm afraid that David's and Urs's solutions are overkill.

Rutger's seems good, - I hadn't realised you could use a repeatTie without a 
repeat! But I want th laisserVibrer tie to match the length of the bar. I tried 
changing its length using

{ c''1~ 1~ 1~ 1~ 1~
\once \override Voice.LaissezVibrerTieColumn.X-extent = #'( 0.0 . 50.0 )
1\laissezVibrer }
}

but this doesn't seem to have any effect on the length of the tie. Instead it 
changes the amount of room after the tie, which is exactly what I don't want. I 
also tried

\override Voice.LaissezVibrerTie.X-extent = #'(0.0 . 50.0 )

with the same result. Any ideas on how to do this?

Ben's is the easiest, but ties the markup to the music. Not a great problem in 
my case, as I can split the music where I want it first and add the text later.

Best regards,

Peter
mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com
www.ptoye.com

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Thursday, July 25, 2019, 8:27:07 PM, David Wright wrote:

>> Le 25 juil. 2019 à 16:45, Peter Toye  a écrit :
>> Alternating text and music I want to engrave a piano piece, and have lines 
>> of text between the staff groups. I know I can do this with several \score 
>> blocks, but unfortunately there are a lot of tied notes at the ends of some 
>> of the lines, which need to be engraved, at both the end and the start of 
>> each line.

>> Is there any easy way of doing this? I'm not very good at the \markup 
>> command :(

> On Thu 25 Jul 2019 at 19:14:40 (+0100), Peter Toye wrote:
>> Something like this but with the tie between the staves.

> The easiest way I know, and which gives you total control, is to:
> set your single \score with one system per page, ie line ≡ page,
> burst¹ the PDF into separate PDF pages, your raw material,
> crop² them so that they're not encumbered with white margins,
> and assemble³ the cropped PDFs and text into the pages/book.

> ¹ $ pdftk filename.pdf burst
> ² $ pdfcrop --margins 1 input.pdf cropped.pdf
> ³ $ pdflatex (or lualatex)
> text-fragments-and-includegraphics-directives.tex

> It's basically what lilypond-book does, but
> lets LP divide the score
> into systems itself. You might need to set
> breakbefore to clear any
> titling from the first line of music, and of course you don't want
> LP's own pagenumbering.

> Problems: your final .tex file will need to be kept in sync if
> you make changes in the score that alters the linebreaking. This
> can be ameliorated if you're using \break
> directives in the score.

> Other methods:

> Problem with markup: your text is tied to musical elements rather
> than the pages you're building.

> Problem with laissezVibrer/repeatTie: you have to slice and dice
> the music yourself, and that interferes with other elements of
> the scores like dynamics, octavation, etc.

> Cheers,
> David.
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Re: Alternating text and music

[Urs Liska]

Hm, at least according to Frescobaldi's auto-completion LaissezVibrerTie does 
*not* have a minimum-length property, which is confirmed by that result ...
Also, shape does have no effect on the LaissezVibrer, sorry.

I'd say the first solution I sent could be pretty easily wrapped into something 
that doesn't disturb you in the document ...

Urs

26. Juli 2019 14:00, "Peter Toye" mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com?to=%22Peter%20Toye%22%20)> 
schrieb:
 Urs,

I tried that but it didn't change the length of the tie, just the space after 
it. And as it's part of the grob interface, there's not even a default setting 
mentioned in the Internals Ref.

Best regards,

Peter
mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com (mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com)
www.ptoye.com (http://www.ptoye.com)

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Friday, July 26, 2019, 12:46:54 PM, Urs Liska wrote:
   The Tie should have a minimum-length property that would do what you want. 
Of course you'll have to find the value by trial and error, and it will break 
as soon as anything in the horizontal spacing changes ...

26. Juli 2019 13:23, "Peter Toye" mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com?to=%22Peter%20Toye%22%20)> 
schrieb:

   All,

Thanks very much for all the suggestions. I had asked for an easy way! Also, 
I'm not 100% fussed about the exact layout as it's only for an example.

So I'm afraid that David's and Urs's solutions are overkill.

Rutger's seems good, - I hadn't realised you could use a repeatTie without a 
repeat! But I want th laisserVibrer tie to match the length of the bar. I tried 
changing its length using

{ c''1~ 1~ 1~ 1~ 1~
once override Voice.LaissezVibrerTieColumn.X-extent = #'( 0.0 . 50.0 )
1laissezVibrer }
}

but this doesn't seem to have any effect on the length of the tie. Instead it 
changes the amount of room after the tie, which is exactly what I don't want. I 
also tried

override Voice.LaissezVibrerTie.X-extent = #'(0.0 . 50.0 )

with the same result. Any ideas on how to do this?

Ben's is the easiest, but ties the markup to the music. Not a great problem in 
my case, as I can split the music where I want it first and add the text later.

Best regards,

Peter
mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com (mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com)
www.ptoye.com (http://www.ptoye.com)

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Thursday, July 25, 2019, 8:27:07 PM, David Wright wrote:

>> Le 25 juil. 2019 à 16:45, Peter Toye > (mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com)> a écrit :
>> Alternating text and music I want to engrave a piano piece, and have lines 
>> of text between the staff groups. I know I can do this with several score 
>> blocks, but unfortunately there are a lot of tied notes at the ends of some 
>> of the lines, which need to be engraved, at both the end and the start of 
>> each line.

>> Is there any easy way of doing this? I'm not very good at the markup command 
>> :(

> On Thu 25 Jul 2019 at 19:14:40 (+0100), Peter Toye wrote:
>> Something like this but with the tie between the staves.

> The easiest way I know, and which gives you total control, is to:
> set your single score with one system per page, ie line ≡ page,
> burst¹ the PDF into separate PDF pages, your raw material,
> crop² them so that they're not encumbered with white margins,
> and assemble³ the cropped PDFs and text into the pages/book.

> ¹ $ pdftk filename.pdf burst
> ² $ pdfcrop --margins 1 input.pdf cropped.pdf
> ³ $ pdflatex (or lualatex)
> text-fragments-and-includegraphics-directives.tex

> It's basically what lilypond-book does, but
> lets LP divide the score
> into systems itself. You might need to set
> breakbefore to clear any
> titling from the first line of music, and of course you don't want
> LP's own pagenumbering.

> Problems: your final .tex file will need to be kept in sync if
> you make changes in the score that alters the linebreaking. This
> can be ameliorated if you're using break
> directives in the score.

> Other methods:

> Problem with markup: your text is tied to musical elements rather
> than the pages you're building.

> Problem with laissezVibrer/repeatTie: you have to slice and dice
> the music yourself, and that interferes with other elements of
> the scores like dynamics, octavation, etc.

> Cheers,
> David.
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Re: Time signature change in first alternative causes different behavior depending on number of staves

[Palmer Ralph]

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:12 PM Jörn Eichler  wrote:
>
> Hi to everybody,
>
> this is my first post to this list. I experienced a problem in v2.19.83
> when I tried to produce orchestral parts from a score. Since I couldn't
> find it on the issue tracker, I hope it's OK to post here:
>
> \score {
><<
>\new Staff {\relative c {\repeat volta 2 {\time 2/4 R2 |}
> \alternative {{\time 3/4  R2. |} {r4 r r |
>\new Staff {\relative c {\repeat volta 2 {\time 2/4 R2 |}
> \alternative {{\time 3/4  R2. |} {r4 r r |
>>> }
>
> Both staves are the same and the time signature change in the first
> alternative (to 3/4) is kept for the second alternative (the bar with 3
> quarter rests).
>
> However, if you comment out one of the staves, v2.19.83 gives an error
> and silently continues with 2/4 in the second alternative (which gives
> one bar with 2 quarter rests and another bar with one rest), while
> v2.18.2 still keeps the change to 3/4. So v2.19.83 behaves differently
> when there's only one staff.
>

I believe this should have gone to the user list as well so I'm
forwarding it there.

I see two issues here. The first is the inconsistent behavior. It
looks to me like the default behavior for a single was intentionally
changed for v2.19.83. However, the default behavior for multiple
staves remains unchanged.

The second issue is which behavior is "correct" and/or should be the
default. In my opinion, the default behavior for multiple staves
should have been changed as well, and the new time signature should be
announced in the second alternative as well as the first.

All the best,

Ralph


Ralph Palmer
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Brattleboro, VT 05301
U.S.A.

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Installing v2.19.83

[Ralph Palmer]

Greetings -

I'm running ly v2.19.81 under Linux/Ubuntu.

I've downloaded .

Do I need to move it to a particular directory before installing LilyPond
2.19.83?

What command(s) do I need to run to install 2.19.83? Are the commands run
on the .sh file?

I appreciate your time and help,

Ralph

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USA
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Re: Installing v2.19.83

[Ben]

On 7/26/2019 9:55 AM, Ralph Palmer wrote:

Greetings -

I'm running ly v2.19.81 under Linux/Ubuntu.

I've downloaded >.


Do I need to move it to a particular directory before installing 
LilyPond 2.19.83?


What command(s) do I need to run to install 2.19.83? Are the commands 
run on the .sh file?


I appreciate your time and help,

Ralph

--
Ralph Palmer
Brattleboro, VT
USA
palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com 


Hi Ralph,

How did you install the 2.19.81 before? Did you use the sh file and 
PREFIX, or did you install from a sudo apt / repo?


I've never had an issue upgrading / installing over LilyPond, but I have 
always used the sh files.



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Re: Installing v2.19.83

[Ben]

On 7/26/2019 9:55 AM, Ralph Palmer wrote:

Greetings -

I'm running ly v2.19.81 under Linux/Ubuntu.

I've downloaded >.


Do I need to move it to a particular directory before installing 
LilyPond 2.19.83?


What command(s) do I need to run to install 2.19.83? Are the commands 
run on the .sh file?


I appreciate your time and help,

Ralph

--
Ralph Palmer
Brattleboro, VT
USA
palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com 


Ralph,

If you want to choose the directory to install manually, it's easy - 
just input this command:


sh lilypond-2.19.83-1.linux-64.sh --prefix 
/home/ralph/MyLilyPond/[wherever you want or wherever the previous 
Lily is]


(see attached)

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Re: Installing v2.19.83

[Ralph Palmer]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:38 AM Ben  wrote:

> On 7/26/2019 9:55 AM, Ralph Palmer wrote:
>
> Greetings -
>
> I'm running ly v2.19.81 under Linux/Ubuntu.
>
> I've downloaded .
>
> Do I need to move it to a particular directory before installing LilyPond
> 2.19.83?
>
> What command(s) do I need to run to install 2.19.83? Are the commands run
> on the .sh file?
>
> Hi Ralph,
>
> How did you install the 2.19.81 before? Did you use the sh file and
> PREFIX, or did you install from a sudo apt / repo?
>
> I've never had an issue upgrading / installing over LilyPond, but I have
> always used the sh files.
>

Thanks, Ben! The problem was that I didn't record how I did the install
before, and it's been awhile. Also, though I've used bash, and I can follow
directions, I'm timid about trying commands in the terminal when I'm not
sure what they're going to do.

All the best,

Ralph

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Re: Alternating text and music

[Rutger Hofman]

If you have issues with lengthening the laissez-vibrer tie: I got this 
from the list in some misted past. Sorry that I didn't write down the 
author or the message in which it occurred!


% Control length of laissezVibrer ties
% Usage:
%   \extendLV #3.0
extendLV = #(define-music-function (further) (number?) #{
\override LaissezVibrerTie.X-extent = #'(0 . 0)
\override LaissezVibrerTie.details.note-head-gap = #(/ further -2)
\override LaissezVibrerTie.extra-offset = #(cons (/ further 2) 0)

It works for me.

Rutger

On 7/26/19 1:23 PM, Peter Toye wrote:

All,

Thanks very much for all the suggestions. I had asked for an _easy_ way! 
Also, I'm not 100% fussed about the exact layout as it's only for an 
example.


So I'm afraid that David's and Urs's solutions are overkill.

Rutger's seems good, - I hadn't realised you could use a repeatTie 
without a repeat! But I want th laisserVibrer tie to match the length of 
the bar. I tried changing its length using


{ c''1~ 1~ 1~ 1~ 1~
    \once  \override Voice.LaissezVibrerTieColumn.X-extent = #'( 0.0 . 
50.0 )

      1\laissezVibrer  }
   }

but this doesn't seem to have any effect on the length of the tie. 
Instead it changes the amount of room after the tie, which is exactly 
what I don't want. I also tried


   \override Voice.LaissezVibrerTie.X-extent = #'(0.0  . 50.0  )

with the same result. Any ideas on how to do this?

Ben's is the easiest, but ties the markup to the music. Not a great 
problem in my case, as I can split the music where I want it first and 
add the text later.


Best regards,

Peter
mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com
www.ptoye.com 

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Thursday, July 25, 2019, 8:27:07 PM, David Wright wrote:

*>> Le 25 juil. 2019 à 16:45, Peter Toye <*lilyp...@ptoye.com 
*> a écrit :

Alternating text and music I want to engrave a piano piece, and have lines of 
text between the staff groups. I know I can do this with several \score blocks, 
but unfortunately there are a lot of tied notes at the ends of some of the 
lines, which need to be engraved, at both the end and the start of each line.



Is there any easy way of doing this? I'm not very good at the \markup command :(



On Thu 25 Jul 2019 at 19:14:40 (+0100), Peter Toye wrote:

Something like this but with the tie between the staves.



The easiest way I know, and which gives you total control, is to:
set your single \score with one system per page, ie line ≡ page,
burst¹ the PDF into separate PDF pages, your raw material,
crop² them so that they're not encumbered with white margins,
and assemble³ the cropped PDFs and text into the pages/book.



¹ $ pdftk filename.pdf burst
² $ pdfcrop --margins 1 input.pdf cropped.pdf
³ $ pdflatex (or lualatex)
text-fragments-and-includegraphics-directives.tex



It's basically what lilypond-book does, but
lets LP divide the score
into systems itself. You might need to set
breakbefore to clear any
titling from the first line of music, and of course you don't want
LP's own pagenumbering.



Problems: your final .tex file will need to be kept in sync if
you make changes in the score that alters the linebreaking. This
can be ameliorated if you're using \break
directives in the score.



Other methods:



Problem with markup: your text is tied to musical elements rather
than the pages you're building.



Problem with laissezVibrer/repeatTie: you have to slice and dice
the music yourself, and that interferes with other elements of
the scores like dynamics, octavation, etc.



Cheers,
David.  *


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Re: Alternating text and music

[Thomas Morley]

Am Fr., 26. Juli 2019 um 14:16 Uhr schrieb Urs Liska :

> Hm, at least according to Frescobaldi's auto-completion LaissezVibrerTie
> does *not* have a minimum-length property, which is confirmed by that
> result ...
> Also, \shape does have no effect on the \LaissezVibrer, sorry.
>


LaissezVibrerTie is an item not a spanner, minimum-length is part of the
spanner-interface, thus this item does not react on it.
Though, LaissezVibrerTie has control-points, \shape works for me:
{
  b-\shape #'((0 . 0)(0 . 10)(0 . 10)(0 . 0))\laissezVibrer
}

Cheers,
  Harm
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Re: Lilypond font in Adobe Illustrator

[William Zeitler]

That did the trick! Thanks!

William

On 7/25/19 16:22, Abraham Lee wrote:

Hi, William!

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 4:02 PM William Zeitler 
mailto:will...@williamzeitler.com>> wrote:


When I open a PDF generated by Lilypond (2.18.2) on Windows (10),
Adobe
Illustrator complains about not being able to find font
"Emmentaler 20".
I have scoured the web for this font, and found a couple of that name
which I installed, but the problem persists.


The fonts used by LilyPond are installed locally to the application 
rather than the system font folder. That's why Illustrator can't find 
any of them. If you look in


[LILY_DIR]\usr\share\lilypond\current\fonts\otf

you will find the music fonts LilyPond uses, all called 
"emmentaler-XX.otf" where XX is the intended optical point size. If 
you copy those to your system folder, Illustrator should be satisfied.


Alternatively, if Illustrator gives you the option to convert any text 
to outlines, then I'd recommend that. Inkscape allows this and that's 
what I've successfully used quite often before.


HTH,
Abraham
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