Re: Discrete note clusters

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Or, if you want to keep your syntax:

\version "2.18.2"

myCluster = {
  \once\override NoteHead.X-offset = #0
  \once\override NoteHead.stem-attachment = #'(0.8 . 0)
  \once\override NoteHead.stencil =
#(lambda (grob)
(grob-interpret-markup grob
  #{
\markup {
  \with-dimensions #'(-0.4 . 0.4) #'(0 . 0)
  \override #'(thickness . 5)
  \draw-line #'(0 . 0.5)
}
  #}))
}

{
  \new Voice { \myCluster 4 }
  \new Voice { \myCluster 4  }
  \new Voice { \myCluster 8 }
  \new Voice { \myCluster 4 \myCluster q }
}

Cheers,
Pierre

2015-03-22 18:59 GMT+01:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>:

> Hi Iain,
>
> How about:
>
> \version "2.18.2"
>
> {
>   \override NoteHead.X-offset = #0
>   \override NoteHead.stem-attachment = #'(0.8 . 0)
>   \override NoteHead.stencil =
> #(lambda (grob)
> (grob-interpret-markup grob
>   #{
> \markup {
>   \with-dimensions #'(-0.4 . 0.4) #'(0 . 0)
>   \override #'(thickness . 5)
>   \draw-line #'(0 . 0.5)
> }
>   #}))
> 4
> 4
> 8
> 4 q
> }
>
> HTH,
> Pierre
>
> 2015-03-22 15:23 GMT+01:00 Ebo H :
>
>> \version "2.18.2"
>> {
>> \new Voice { \makeClusters   4   }
>> \new Voice { \makeClusters  4  }
>> \new Voice { \makeClusters 8 }
>> \new Voice { \makeClusters   2 }
>> }
>>
>> Is there a way to show rhythmic values and ledger lines in discrete note
>> clusters?
>>
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Re: How do I extract individual voices from chords

[MING TSANG]

Hi, Kaj:
Perhaps the following link can provide help for you to extract voices from a 
chord.
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?u=1&id=545http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?u=1&id=761
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Re: Narrow down search of Lilypond documentation to English

[Simon Albrecht]

Am 23.03.2015 um 02:10 schrieb Colin Tennyson:

Colin Tennyson wrote:

so anyone who wants to create Lilypond files has to master english

anyway.

Simon Albrecht wrote:

You have to learn the English command names, indeed, but
it’s by no means necessary to read the source code for creating any
score with Lilypond.

Erm, surely it was clear that I was referring to creating Lilypond files, to
be rendered to scores, by the Lilypond engine.

Sorry for the misconception.
- Simon

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[Slightly Off-topic] Advice for freelancing?

[Ryan McClure]

Hello friends,

I've been really trying for the last two years to become a freelance music
engraver. I've really come to love engraving music, and I would like to make
my hobby into a job. I don't ever think that I'll be able to survive by only
engraving music, but it sure would be nice. I really am not sure where to
start, however, with gaining clients. Up until this point, I've been
engraving music for my peers at my University. However, I am finding that
very rarely do I have work. Does anyone have any advice? Anything would be
appreciated :)



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Re: centering note columns [WAS: Directional NoteHead Stencil Support]

[David Nalesnik]

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 8:47 AM, David Nalesnik 
wrote:

> Hi Kieren,
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Kieren MacMillan <
> kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> > Try the attached out.  It will only center an object if the contents of
>> all staves can reasonably be centered.
>>
>> So far, I would call that "perfect”!  =)
>>
>
> oh, it will be broken!
>
> Anyway, I'm a little unsure of the procedure for determining whether an
> object is alone in its measure.  There's a C++ procedure that determines
> this and maybe that ought to be made accessible from Scheme.
>
> [...]
>
>
>> Any reason why this can’t be submitted as a patch?
>
>
>
> What bugs me is that the centering is done after measure-widths have been
> determined.  I would imagine that in most cases this routine will end up
> moving objects to the right.  When it does, that is infringing on what
> LilyPond has decided is an appropriate space between the objects in our
> column and the column holding the barline (and whatever else).  I would
> think that a good algorithm would ensure that the space after our objects
> would be increased, to match the space before.
>
>
Err...I think I mean the space *before* should be increased.  In any case
neither space before or after should fall below a minimum,
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Re: centering note columns [WAS: Directional NoteHead Stencil Support]

[David Nalesnik]

Hi Kieren,

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Kieren MacMillan <
kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> > Try the attached out.  It will only center an object if the contents of
> all staves can reasonably be centered.
>
> So far, I would call that "perfect”!  =)
>

oh, it will be broken!

Anyway, I'm a little unsure of the procedure for determining whether an
object is alone in its measure.  There's a C++ procedure that determines
this and maybe that ought to be made accessible from Scheme.

[...]


> Any reason why this can’t be submitted as a patch?



What bugs me is that the centering is done after measure-widths have been
determined.  I would imagine that in most cases this routine will end up
moving objects to the right.  When it does, that is infringing on what
LilyPond has decided is an appropriate space between the objects in our
column and the column holding the barline (and whatever else).  I would
think that a good algorithm would ensure that the space after our objects
would be increased, to match the space before.  Basically, distances should
never fall below the ideal distance in either direction, which will involve
resizing the measure.

Now, I haven't seen results that look bad (in my limited study!) and
certain negative outcomes I can imagine could be guarded against.  Also, I
don't know how feasible the more integrated approach is, whether it would
slip nicely into the program as is, or would require extensive changes.

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Cue notes included in ambitus

[Patrick Karl]

Consider the following snippet:

\version "2.19.17"

music = \relative c'' {
  \clef treble
  \new CueVoice { \set instrumentCueName = "Bass" }
  \cueDuringWithClef #"Bass" #DOWN #"bass"R1
  g4 a b c
}

Bass = \relative g {
  \clef bass
  g,2 d'
}
\addQuote "Bass" \Bass

\score {
\new Staff {  \music }
\layout { \context { \Staff \consists "Ambitus_engraver" } }
}

which produces the following printed output:



The ambitus clearly includes the cue notes.  Since the purpose of the ambitus 
is to allow performers to determine if the music matches their capabilities, it 
doesn't seem that the cue notes should be included in the ambitus determination 
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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.18

[SoundsFromSound]

Peter Bjuhr wrote
> On 2015-03-09 11:41, Simon Albrecht wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> for whatever reason I keep running into problems whenever I try to 
>> upgrade Frescobaldi (or install it on another machine).
>> This time, I downloaded the .tar.gz bundles of both frescobaldi 2.18 
>> and python-ly 0.9.1 into ~/Frescobaldi/, unpacked them and installed 
>> them following the instructions, without any extra options. Then I 
>> deleted the ~/frescobaldi-2.0.15/ directory containing the old 
>> installation, but still Frescobaldi is complaining about not being 
>> able to find the correct version of python-ly. How can I go on?
>>
>> TIA, Simon 
> 
>> Sorry, should have mentioned that this is on Ubuntu 14.10. 
> 
> Hi Simon!
> 
> It seems to me that ~/frescobaldi-2.0.15/ is the source of the old 
> installation and not where the old installation is.
> 
> I also use Ubuntu 14.10, and when I run
> 
> |sudo python setup.py install|
> 
> Frescobaldi is installed in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages.
> 
> Can you confirm that you have no old installations in either /usr/lib/ 
> or /usr/local/lib/?
> 
> Best
> Peter
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Hi all,

I also am having quite a headache installing the new Frescobaldi 2.18 and
python-ly on my friend's laptop. It's a new, clean install on Debian and I
left all install locations as their default. I am getting the same error,
saying python-ly is not found/up-to-date so Frescobaldi can't even open.

Can you please tell me how I can fix this and get the application up and
running? I tried removing all traces of Frescobaldi and then installing them
to a different location, and still the same error. I've always had success
updating Frescobaldi but 2.18 is the first time I've had such trouble. I'm
certain it's to do with the python-ly install but I can't figure out why no
matter where or how I install it, it fails.

Thank you so much for any help!



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Re: [Frescobaldi] Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.18

[Urs Liska]

For me ot only seemed to work when I manually edit the entey script  and insert 
"import ly" after "import sys".

I don't see what that means but didn't have the time to investigate. I'll have 
to do a fresh Debian install soon, then U'll try again.

Urs

Am 23. März 2015 18:37:43 MEZ, schrieb SoundsFromSound 
:
>Peter Bjuhr wrote
>> On 2015-03-09 11:41, Simon Albrecht wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> for whatever reason I keep running into problems whenever I try to 
>>> upgrade Frescobaldi (or install it on another machine).
>>> This time, I downloaded the .tar.gz bundles of both frescobaldi 2.18
>
>>> and python-ly 0.9.1 into ~/Frescobaldi/, unpacked them and installed
>
>>> them following the instructions, without any extra options. Then I 
>>> deleted the ~/frescobaldi-2.0.15/ directory containing the old 
>>> installation, but still Frescobaldi is complaining about not being 
>>> able to find the correct version of python-ly. How can I go on?
>>>
>>> TIA, Simon 
>> 
>>> Sorry, should have mentioned that this is on Ubuntu 14.10. 
>> 
>> Hi Simon!
>> 
>> It seems to me that ~/frescobaldi-2.0.15/ is the source of the old 
>> installation and not where the old installation is.
>> 
>> I also use Ubuntu 14.10, and when I run
>> 
>> |sudo python setup.py install|
>> 
>> Frescobaldi is installed in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages.
>> 
>> Can you confirm that you have no old installations in either
>/usr/lib/ 
>> or /usr/local/lib/?
>> 
>> Best
>> Peter
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>I also am having quite a headache installing the new Frescobaldi 2.18
>and
>python-ly on my friend's laptop. It's a new, clean install on Debian
>and I
>left all install locations as their default. I am getting the same
>error,
>saying python-ly is not found/up-to-date so Frescobaldi can't even
>open.
>
>Can you please tell me how I can fix this and get the application up
>and
>running? I tried removing all traces of Frescobaldi and then installing
>them
>to a different location, and still the same error. I've always had
>success
>updating Frescobaldi but 2.18 is the first time I've had such trouble.
>I'm
>certain it's to do with the python-ly install but I can't figure out
>why no
>matter where or how I install it, it fails.
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>Thank you so much for any help!
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error when creating variable for paper block

[Nikolai Hedler]

I'm attempting to arrange a Bach organ fugue for brass quintet, and I am
attempting to create a single file which outputs the score and all
individual parts. I would like to create a variable which contains the
contents of the \paper block for the individual parts, which is different
than that of the main score, but for some reason, variable definition seems
to function differently than I would expect.

I had thought that when a variable is defined, it would not be interpreted
in-place, as it is meant to be used elsewhere; as such, if any error is
found within the variable, the first error would be raised where the
variable is called. Instead, it seems that the variable definition is
treated as an isolated, non-printing music "object" which must be parsed
for errors in-place before continuing. Because of this, any perceived error
(i.e. the contents of a \paper block, which are valid in that context)
results in a warning being raised "Music unsuitable for output-def"
referring to the variable name.

This is incredibly inconvenient, as it seems to prevent anything but music
itself from being defined within a variable. Is there any way around this
or is this intended behavior?

Thanks in advance for your help!
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layout-set-staff-size: will it ever be fixed?

[Nikolai Hedler]

https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=367&can=1&q=layout-set-staff-size&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Stars%20Owner%20Patch%20Needs%20Summary
This is a bug which has been known about since 2.11 in 2007, but for some
reason someone decided that it didn't deserve fixing, in spite of the fact
that there isn't really another way that I know of to do the same thing. Is
there any reason not to fix a known bug that's been around for this long
that's been a pain in the neck since I started using LilyPond?

This  is a workaround, not a fix.
It shouldn't be necessary to use an \override to change an entire score
when there's a function intended for that purpose.

My goal is to be able to create a single file which outputs a book
including a score and all parts, where the score is staff-size 15 and the
parts are 18 or 20, but I apparently need to use several overrides which
may or may not result in the same output that would result from
set-global-staff-size or a functional layout-set-staff-size.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: layout-set-staff-size: will it ever be fixed?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Nikolai,

> Is there any reason not to fix a known bug that's been around for this long 
> that's been a pain in the neck since I started using LilyPond?

If you don’t see any reason, then please send in a patch for review.

> My goal is to be able to create a single file which outputs a book including 
> a score and all parts, where the score is staff-size 15 and the parts are 18 
> or 20

I do that exact thing all the time.
While more syntactic sugar would certainly make it even easier, I've never 
found it to be a particular pain in the neck.

Best regards,
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Re: layout-set-staff-size: will it ever be fixed?

[Nikolai Hedler]

I see that this may have been worked on in 2.19 as Issue 216
;
can someone update me as to the current status?

On 23 March 2015 at 16:47, Nikolai Hedler  wrote:

>
>
> On 23 March 2015 at 16:40, Kieren MacMillan  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Nikolai,
>>
>> > Is there any reason not to fix a known bug that's been around for this
>> long that's been a pain in the neck since I started using LilyPond?
>>
>> If you don’t see any reason, then please send in a patch for review.
>>
>
> How would I do this? I assume that by this you mean that I should fix it
> myself, which I would if I knew anything about how LilyPond is coded, but
> I'm a full-time student, and as such can't really afford to take the time
> to teach myself all about it. The main purpose of this is to inquire as to
> any reason why it hasn't been addressed already.
>
>>
>> > My goal is to be able to create a single file which outputs a book
>> including a score and all parts, where the score is staff-size 15 and the
>> parts are 18 or 20
>>
>> I do that exact thing all the time.
>> While more syntactic sugar would certainly make it even easier, I've
>> never found it to be a particular pain in the neck.
>>
>
> Would you like to enlighten me, then? Or do you mean to recommend that I
> just use the hackish workaround?
>
> Thanks,
> Nikolai Hedler
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Re: Cue notes included in ambitus

[Simon Albrecht]

I forwarded this to ly-bug.
~ Simon

Am 23.03.2015 um 15:36 schrieb Patrick Karl:

Consider the following snippet:

\version "2.19.17"

music = \relative c'' {
  \clef treble
  \new CueVoice { \set instrumentCueName = "Bass" }
  \cueDuringWithClef #"Bass" #DOWN #"bass"R1
  g4 a b c
}

Bass = \relative g {
  \clef bass
  g,2 d'
}
\addQuote "Bass" \Bass

\score {
\new Staff {  \music }
\layout { \context { \Staff \consists "Ambitus_engraver" } }
}

which produces the following printed output:


The ambitus clearly includes the cue notes.  Since the purpose of the 
ambitus is to allow performers to determine if the music matches their 
capabilities, it doesn't seem that the cue notes should be included in 
the ambitus determination since the performer won't be playing the cue 
notes.



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Re: layout-set-staff-size: will it ever be fixed?

[Simon Albrecht]

Am 23.03.2015 um 21:53 schrieb Nikolai Hedler:
I see that this may have been worked on in 2.19 as Issue 216 
; 
can someone update me as to the current status?


On 23 March 2015 at 16:47, Nikolai Hedler > wrote:




On 23 March 2015 at 16:40, Kieren MacMillan
mailto:kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

Hi Nikolai,

> Is there any reason not to fix a known bug that's been
around for this long that's been a pain in the neck since I
started using LilyPond?

If you don’t see any reason, then please send in a patch for
review.


How would I do this? I assume that by this you mean that I should
fix it myself, which I would if I knew anything about how LilyPond
is coded, but I'm a full-time student, and as such can't really
afford to take the time to teach myself all about it. The main
purpose of this is to inquire as to any reason why it hasn't been
addressed already.

For the same reason: everybody who works on lilypond does so in their 
free time (except for David Kastrup, who also does very good to 
concentrate on the things he can do best and which are most important). 
So it’s not a matter of “does this bug need to be fixed?” but of “do I 
have time, skills, nothing more important to do _and_ a good mind to fix 
this bug?”.

So moderate your tone.



> My goal is to be able to create a single file

Well, there’s another obvious workaround: use multiple files and 
\include. It’s not a crucial point that you have to compile one more .ly 
file.


which outputs a book including a score and all parts, where
the score is staff-size 15 and the parts are 18 or 20

I do that exact thing all the time.
While more syntactic sugar would certainly make it even
easier, I've never found it to be a particular pain in the neck.


Would you like to enlighten me, then? Or do you mean to recommend
that I just use the hackish workaround?


Or \magnifyStaff…
The multitude of easily available solutions is one reason why this issue 
has been closed.


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Re: layout-set-staff-size: will it ever be fixed?

[tisimst]

Nikolai,

I don't believe that there isn't a solution already for your needs (it
appears that Kieren already has some ideas, I think I have an idea or two
for you, and I think there are other users that have their own ideas about
how you can accomplish this), but it would be tremendously helpful if you
could show some code (either inline or in an attached file) for what you
described above so we can understand better what you are trying to achieve.
I think many regular followers of this list really want to help you out,
but some specific code would make it a lot easier for us to do so.
Otherwise, we can only speculate what you have and haven't tried.

Hope to hear from you soon!

Regards,
Abraham

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Simon Albrecht-2 [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n173543...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Am 23.03.2015 um 21:53 schrieb Nikolai Hedler:
>
> I see that this may have been worked on in 2.19 as Issue 216
> ;
> can someone update me as to the current status?
>
> On 23 March 2015 at 16:47, Nikolai Hedler <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 23 March 2015 at 16:40, Kieren MacMillan <[hidden email]
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Nikolai,
>>>
>>> > Is there any reason not to fix a known bug that's been around for this
>>> long that's been a pain in the neck since I started using LilyPond?
>>>
>>> If you don’t see any reason, then please send in a patch for review.
>>>
>>
>>  How would I do this? I assume that by this you mean that I should fix
>> it myself, which I would if I knew anything about how LilyPond is coded,
>> but I'm a full-time student, and as such can't really afford to take the
>> time to teach myself all about it. The main purpose of this is to inquire
>> as to any reason why it hasn't been addressed already.
>>
>   For the same reason: everybody who works on lilypond does so in their
> free time (except for David Kastrup, who also does very good to concentrate
> on the things he can do best and which are most important). So it’s not a
> matter of “does this bug need to be fixed?” but of “do I have time, skills,
> nothing more important to do _and_ a good mind to fix this bug?”.
> So moderate your tone.
>
>
>>> > My goal is to be able to create a single file
>>
>> Well, there’s another obvious workaround: use multiple files and
> \include. It’s not a crucial point that you have to compile one more .ly
> file.
>
> which outputs a book including a score and all parts, where the score
>>> is staff-size 15 and the parts are 18 or 20
>>>
>>> I do that exact thing all the time.
>>> While more syntactic sugar would certainly make it even easier, I've
>>> never found it to be a particular pain in the neck.
>>>
>>
>>  Would you like to enlighten me, then? Or do you mean to recommend that
>> I just use the hackish workaround?
>>
>   Or \magnifyStaff…
> The multitude of easily available solutions is one reason why this issue
> has been closed.
>
> Yours, Simon
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Re: error when creating variable for paper block

[Kevin Barry]

Hi Nikolai,

Can you post a (preferably tiny) example of the variable that produces this
problem? LilyPond may not evaluate variables when they appear but it still
needs to figure out where they begin and end so perhaps that is the source
of the problem? It's hard to know without seeing any code.
Kevin

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Nikolai Hedler  wrote:

> I'm attempting to arrange a Bach organ fugue for brass quintet, and I am
> attempting to create a single file which outputs the score and all
> individual parts. I would like to create a variable which contains the
> contents of the \paper block for the individual parts, which is different
> than that of the main score, but for some reason, variable definition seems
> to function differently than I would expect.
>
> I had thought that when a variable is defined, it would not be interpreted
> in-place, as it is meant to be used elsewhere; as such, if any error is
> found within the variable, the first error would be raised where the
> variable is called. Instead, it seems that the variable definition is
> treated as an isolated, non-printing music "object" which must be parsed
> for errors in-place before continuing. Because of this, any perceived error
> (i.e. the contents of a \paper block, which are valid in that context)
> results in a warning being raised "Music unsuitable for output-def"
> referring to the variable name.
>
> This is incredibly inconvenient, as it seems to prevent anything but music
> itself from being defined within a variable. Is there any way around this
> or is this intended behavior?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> Nikolai Hedler
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Re: Disappearing barlines with skipBars - possible bug?

[Kevin Barry]

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Mark Knoop  wrote:

> Barlines disappear when skipBars is true and a note duration continues
> over the bar. I don't think this should happen.
>

It is consistent with the IR definition of the property: `If set to true,
then skip the empty bars that are produced by multimeasure /notes/ and
rests' [my emphasis]. So it applies to both notes and rests.

You may be right that the behaviour is undesirable though. I must admit
that I can't think of a score where this would be an issue. If you think
this should be changed maybe you should forward your mail to the bug
mailing list: bug-lilyp...@gnu.org

Kevin
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rendered pdf files

[Stephen MacNeil]

the files when i  compiled on my linux box render a more compressed look
then those on my friends windows?

same file both have 2.18.2

why?
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