(de)cresendi syntax
Hello,
I am in charge of the question of (de)crescendo syntax issue in 2.12.2.
Here is what lilypond 2.12.2 currently does (in ly/spanners-init.ly):
- \< and \cr are equivalent: they start a crescendo event on the
previous note: #(make-span-event 'CrescendoEvent START)
- \> and \decr are equivalent: they start a decrescendo event on the
previous note: #(make-span-event 'DecrescendoEvent START)
- \!, \endcr and \enddecr are equivalent: they stop of (de)cresendo
event on the previous note: #(make-span-event 'CrescendoEvent STOP),
#(make-span-event 'DecrescendoEvent STOP) (is it really equivalent?)
- the following commands set the (de)cresendo to be text with dashed
line or hairpin forever (until changed to something else):
. crescTextCresc -> text "cresc."
. dimTextDecresc -> text "decresc."
. dimTextDecr -> text "decr."
. dimTextDim -> text "dim."
. crescHairpin -> hairpin
. dimHairpin -> hairpin
- the following commands start a text (de)crescendo on the next note
(affects only the next (de)crescendo):
. cresc -> text "cresc."
. dim -> text "dim."
- the following commands stop a (de)crescendo on the next note:
. enddim
. endcresc
Current syntax is not satisfactory because:
- syntax is different between \<, \>, \! and \cresc, \dim, \enddim,
\endcresc (undocumented):
. \<, \>, \! apply to the previous note,
. \cresc, \dim, \enddim, \endcresc apply to the next note
- there is no symmetry between \crescText, \dimText commands and
\ commands
- some people just want cresc. to be printed without dashed line (spanner)
- \endcresc does something different from \endcr which is confusing
Here are my dreams:
- \<, \>, \! are used to start/stop (de)crescendo spanner (hairpin or text),
- crescTextXXX, dimTextXXX, crescHairpin, dimHairpin decide if \<, \>,
\! produce text or hairpin (applies for ever until changed to something
else), I would prefer simpler syntax: \crescCresc, \crescHairpin,
\dimDim, \dimDecr, \dimDecresc, i.e. remove Text
- \<"cresc.", \<"cresc. poco a poco", \>"dim."... produce a text spanner
with corresponding text, the spanner is ended with \!, the text applies
only once, i.e. next (de)crescendo produces hairpin if this is the
current setting
- \cresc, \dim, \decr, \decresc produce a text without spanner, applies
only once to the previous note, no need to finish with \! or \endcresc,
this could be implemented with a \markup command
- remove unnecessary \cr, \endcr, \decr, \enddecr
- remove unnecessary \enddim, \endcresc
I know that it is not possible to implement this only with scheme and
lily code but I am sure it is possible in C++.
Could you please comment on these propositions and give any other ideas.
F. Bron
PS: attached is a file that show the behaviour of the commands.
\version "2.12.2"
%{
1) Make a table of all the crescendo and decrescendo forms, so we can
see at a glance the missing/broken pieces.
2) Make a patch for v. 2.13 (when it's started) to get the appropriate
symmetry for all forms. This will require posting the table from 1)
on -user and getting feedback from users.
3) Make a patch for convert-ly, which will do two things:
a) fix the problem you've identified for the previous convert-ly rule for
2.12
b) Make a correct convert-ly rule for 2.13.
\<
\!
cr = #(make-span-event 'CrescendoEvent START) -> equivalent to \<
decr = #(make-span-event 'DecrescendoEvent START) -> equivalent to \>
enddecr = #(make-span-event 'DecrescendoEvent STOP) -> equivalent to \!
endcr = #(make-span-event 'CrescendoEvent STOP) -> equivalent to \!
cresc =
2.10.33: { #(ly:export (make-event-chord (list cr)))\set crescendoText = \markup { \italic "cresc." } \set crescendoSpanner = #'dashed-line }
2.12.2: { #(ly:export (make-event-chord (list cr))) \once \set crescendoText = \markup { \italic "cresc." } \once \set crescendoSpanner = #'text }
dim =
2.10.33: { #(ly:export (make-event-chord (list decr))) \set decrescendoText = \markup { \italic "dim." } \set decrescendoSpanner = #'dashed-line }
2.12.2: { #(ly:export (make-event-chord (list decr)))\once \set decrescendoText = \markup { \italic "dim." } \once \set decrescendoSpanner = #'text }
enddim =
2.10.33: { #(ly:export (make-event-chord (list enddecr))) \unset decrescendoText \unset decrescendoSpanner }
2.12.2: { #(ly:export (make-event-chord (list enddecr))) }
endcresc =
2.10.33: { #(ly:export (make-event-chord (list endcr))) \unset crescendoText \unset crescendoSpanner }
2.12.3: { #(ly:export (make-event-chord (list endcr))) }
2.10.33:
setTextCresc = { \set crescendoText = \markup { \italic "cresc." } \set crescendoSpanner = #'dashed-line }
setTextDecresc = { \set decrescendoText = \markup { \italic "decr." }\set decrescendoSpanner = #'dashed-line }
setTextDim = { \set decrescendoText = \markup { \italic "dim." } \set decrescendoSpanner = #'dashed-line }
2.12.2:
crescTextCresc = { \set crescendoText = \mar
Re: (de)cresendi syntax
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 09:25:57AM +0100, Frédéric Bron wrote: > Hello, > > > Here are my dreams: > > - \<, \>, \! are used to start/stop (de)crescendo spanner (hairpin or text), > - crescTextXXX, dimTextXXX, crescHairpin, dimHairpin decide if \<, \>, > \! produce text or hairpin (applies for ever until changed to something > else), I would prefer simpler syntax: \crescCresc, \crescHairpin, > \dimDim, \dimDecr, \dimDecresc, i.e. remove Text I would prefer it if the \< and \> forms produced hairpins and the various textual forms produced the various text possibilities. > - \<"cresc.", \<"cresc. poco a poco", \>"dim."... produce a text spanner > with corresponding text, the spanner is ended with \!, the text applies > only once, i.e. next (de)crescendo produces hairpin if this is the > current setting This is a great idea. In fact, it would make sense to me to have the \< and \> forms default to hairpins, but have some sort of attached markup to describe a textual form instead. So, for instance, a\< would produce a hairpin starting on the a, while a\<_"cresc." would produce a 'cresc.' attached to the a instead. I can see there might be a problem if this was a fully fledged markup, because there is already a lot of formatting applied to the text mark. (I can also see that my syntax is ambiguous, because it could also mean that I want a simple markup attached to the a). I have no idea about the programming, but we might also be able to add another symbol that would suggest the addition of dots. However, this preference would often apply globally to a piece, so it might be best set once for all in the current way. > - \cresc, \dim, \decr, \decresc produce a text without spanner, applies > only once to the previous note, no need to finish with \! or \endcresc, > this could be implemented with a \markup command > - remove unnecessary \cr, \endcr, \decr, \enddecr > - remove unnecessary \enddim, \endcresc > I agree. These different forms are all confusing, and I always worry I've been mixing forms and just hope I haven't used the wrong one! > I know that it is not possible to implement this only with scheme and > lily code but I am sure it is possible in C++. > > Could you please comment on these propositions and give any other ideas. > > F. Bron > > PS: attached is a file that show the behaviour of the commands. > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- Cameron Horsburgh Blog: http://spiritcry.wordpress.com/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Partial measures
Jon
What you have below works fine with the small example, but when I remove the
\partial at the beginning of the 2nd repeat in the actual score, not only do
I not get the partial measure, but Lilypond gets quite bamboozled (see
attached png of the final page) and forgets to put in any line breaks
between bars 13 and 24.
Adding the partials back gets correct looking output at the cost of barcheck
failed warnings.
Nick
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> Subject: Re: Partial measures
>
> Nick Payne wrote:
> > I'm engraving a piece that has partial measures at the beginning and
> end of
> > both repeats. The piece is in 4/4 time, with the initial measure of
> each
> > repeat being 1/8 and the final measure 7/8. In a minimal example, eg
> >
> > \relative c'' {
> > \time 4/4
> > \repeat volta 2 {
> > \partial 8 gis8 |
> > fis4 g g c, |
> > \partial 8*7 b2. r8
> > }
> > }
> >
> > I get no errors, but in the actual score, adding the \partial 8*7 at
> the end
> > of a repeat gives a barcheck failed error. In s.1.2.3 of the NR it
> states
> > that \partial is intended only to be used at the beginning of a
> piece.
> >
> > What's the correct way of getting this working?
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > Ps. Search function in the LSR seems broken at the moment - nothing
> gets
> > returned for any search.
> >
> Hi Nick,
>
> I haven't had to do this before but it seems to work right without
> using
> \partial after the beginning of the piece. See if this gets the output
> you want. I just copied the same notes in to act as the B section:
>
> %%%
>
> \version "2.12.3"
>
> \relative c'' {
> \time 4/4
> \repeat volta 2 {
> \partial 8 gis8 |
> fis4 g g c, |
> b2. r8
> }
> \repeat volta 2 {
> gis'8
> fis4 g g c, |
> b2. r8
> }
> }
>
> %%%
>
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Re: How to control ordering of staves?
So very helpful, once again, John. Thank you. (By the way, are you related to a Heather Kulp in SE Pennsylvania? I went to high school with a Heather Kulp.) -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/How-to-control-ordering-of-staves--tp22142941p22146169.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
\transpose and \transposition combination error(?)
Hi,
I found a (probably) error in combination \transpose and \transposition
functions.
I've score:
\score {
\new StaffGroup <<
\new Staff {
\key c \major
c'1
}
\new Staff {
\transposition bes
\key d \major
d'1
}
>>
\midi {}
}
There is allright. But...
...now I need transpose all score to another key:
\score { \transpose c d {
\new StaffGroup <<
\new Staff {
\key c \major
c'1
}
\new Staff {
\transposition bes
\key d \major
d'1
}
>> }
\midi {}
}
In this case is produced midi file wrong. Only way to produce correct
midi is as follows:
...
\new Staff {
\transposition bes
\key d \major
\transpose c g { d'1 }
}
...
Is it error or feature?
Zbynek
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Re: Partial measures
Nick Payne wrote: Jon What you have below works fine with the small example, but when I remove the \partial at the beginning of the 2nd repeat in the actual score, not only do I not get the partial measure, but Lilypond gets quite bamboozled (see attached png of the final page) and forgets to put in any line breaks between bars 13 and 24. Adding the partials back gets correct looking output at the cost of barcheck failed warnings. Nick Boy that does look weird. Maybe there's a way to reset the barcheck counter (or whatever it's called) after the \partial command in the 2nd half so that all the rest of the barchecks work. Could you attach the whole file so I can have a look. I'm curious about this. Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Problem wit grace notes
Hi again,
I find one more problem. This time with grace notes at the beginning of
score, where is multiple staves.
If one of staves begins with grace note {\grace, \appoggiatura,
\acciaccatura), instrument name on first line is not printed and key,
time and clef signs are printed unreasonably.
If more simultaneous StaffGoups are defined, missing instrument names
(and unreasonably engraved key, time and clef signs) are at all staves
in staff group, in which is staff with grace note.
Example:
\score {
<<
\new Staff {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Instrument 1"
\set Staff.shortInstrumentName = #"I1"
\key d \major
\time 2/2
\relative c' {
d4 e fis gis
a1
}
}
\new Staff {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Instrument 2"
\set Staff.shortInstrumentName = #"I2"
\key d \major
\time 2/2
\relative c' {
\grace c8 d4 d d d \break
d1
}
}
>>
\layout {}
}
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Re: Problem wit grace notes
Zbyněk Burget wrote:
Hi again,
I find one more problem. This time with grace notes at the beginning of
score, where is multiple staves.
If one of staves begins with grace note {\grace, \appoggiatura,
\acciaccatura), instrument name on first line is not printed and key,
time and clef signs are printed unreasonably.
If more simultaneous StaffGoups are defined, missing instrument names
(and unreasonably engraved key, time and clef signs) are at all staves
in staff group, in which is staff with grace note.
Example:
\score {
<<
\new Staff {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Instrument 1"
\set Staff.shortInstrumentName = #"I1"
\key d \major
\time 2/2
\relative c' {
d4 e fis gis
a1
}
}
\new Staff {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Instrument 2"
\set Staff.shortInstrumentName = #"I2"
\key d \major
\time 2/2
\relative c' {
\grace c8 d4 d d d \break
d1
}
}
>>
\layout {}
}
This looks like the problem addressed in Notation Reference 1.2.6 under
"Known issues and warnings":
"Grace note synchronization can also lead to surprises. Staff notation,
such as key signatures, bar lines, etc., are also synchronized. Take
care when you mix staves with grace notes and staves without, for
example..."
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Special-rhythmic-concerns#Special-rhythmic-concerns
Jon
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display chords (Ami7(b5))
Hi, How do I make chords with the 5th an half tone lower or higher (e.g. b5 or #5)? for example Am7(b5) or D7(#5) Thanks in advance, \r ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
lyrics and melody
hi,
this melody:
g4 a bes | es1( | es4) f, g a | d2 d
and I want to add these lyrics:
The fall - ing leaves_ drift by my win - dow,
leaves should be place below es1( | es4)
The templae of frescobaldi uses:
verse = \lyricmode {
% Liedtekst volgt hier.
}
I don't get this done :(
Thanks in advance,
\r
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help with: Cannot find voice
Hello
I am trying to produce a SATB where S and A share the same staff.
This is my definition:
\score{
\context ChoirStaff
<<
\context Staff = "upper"
<<
\clef treble
\context Voice = sop \upperOne
\context Voice = con \upperTwo
>>
\lyricsto "sop" \new Lyrics \firstverse
\context Staff = "tenor"
<<
\clef treble
\context Voice = ten \lowerOne
\lyricsto "ten" \new Lyrics \secondverse
>>
\context Staff = "bass"
<<
\clef bass
\context Voice = bas \lowerTwo
\lyricsto "bas" \new Lyrics \thirdverse
>>
>>
[...]
Now, lilypond complains with:
4vozes.ly:64:16: warning: cannot find Voice `sop'
\lyricsto "sop" \new Lyrics \firstverse
Any hint?
Thank you
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Re: lyrics and melody
Hello
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> hi,
>
> this melody:
>
> g4 a bes | es1( | es4) f, g a | d2 d
>
> and I want to add these lyrics:
>
> The fall - ing leaves_ drift by my win - dow,
Probably you want:
The fall- ing leaves drift by my win- dow
Cheers
Alberto
>
>
> leaves should be place below es1( | es4)
>
>
> The templae of frescobaldi uses:
>
> verse = \lyricmode {
> % Liedtekst volgt hier.
>
> }
>
> I don't get this done :(
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> \r
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: lyrics and melody
Alberto Simões wrote: Hello Grammostola Rosea wrote: hi, this melody: g4 a bes | es1( | es4) f, g a | d2 d and I want to add these lyrics: The fall - ing leaves_ drift by my win - dow, Probably you want: The fall- ing leaves drift by my win- dow Cheers Alberto that looks better, thanks. Is it also possible to get a line after leaves? Like this: leaves___ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lyrics and melody
Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Alberto Simões wrote: >> Hello >> >> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >> >>> hi, >>> >>> this melody: >>> >>> g4 a bes | es1( | es4) f, g a | d2 d >>> >>> and I want to add these lyrics: >>> >>> The fall - ing leaves_ drift by my win - dow, >>> >> >> Probably you want: >> >> The fall- ing leaves drift by my win- dow >> >> Cheers >> Alberto >> >> > that looks better, thanks. > Is it also possible to get a line after leaves? Like this: leaves___ That I do not know how to do. For window, as there is a second note, try win- dow __ _ Cheers -- Alberto Simões - Departamento de Informática - Universidade do Minho Campus de Gualtar - 4710-057 Braga - Portugal ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: help with: Cannot find voice [ Fixed ]
Heh.
Fixed
Was easy... just adding some notes made the trick :$
Cheers
Alberto
Alberto Simões wrote:
> Hello
>
> I am trying to produce a SATB where S and A share the same staff.
>
>
> This is my definition:
>
> \score{
> \context ChoirStaff
> <<
> \context Staff = "upper"
> <<
> \clef treble
> \context Voice = sop \upperOne
> \context Voice = con \upperTwo
> >>
> \lyricsto "sop" \new Lyrics \firstverse
> \context Staff = "tenor"
> <<
> \clef treble
> \context Voice = ten \lowerOne
> \lyricsto "ten" \new Lyrics \secondverse
> >>
> \context Staff = "bass"
> <<
> \clef bass
> \context Voice = bas \lowerTwo
> \lyricsto "bas" \new Lyrics \thirdverse
> >>
> >>
> [...]
>
> Now, lilypond complains with:
>
> 4vozes.ly:64:16: warning: cannot find Voice `sop'
> \lyricsto "sop" \new Lyrics \firstverse
>
>
> Any hint?
> Thank you
> Alberto
>
>
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Re: lyrics and melody
Alberto Simões wrote Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:25 PM Grammostola Rosea wrote: hi, this melody: g4 a bes | es1( | es4) f, g a | d2 d and I want to add these lyrics: The fall - ing leaves_ drift by my win - dow, Probably you want: The fall- ing leaves drift by my win- dow or, to get centered hyphens, The fall -- ing leaves drift by my win -- dow See Learning Manual section 2.4 for more. Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: help with: Cannot find voice
It should work, unless you have no notes in \upperOne
Trevor
- Original Message -
From: "Alberto Simões"
To: "lilypond"
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: help with: Cannot find voice
Hello
I am trying to produce a SATB where S and A share the same staff.
This is my definition:
\score{
\context ChoirStaff
<<
\context Staff = "upper"
<<
\clef treble
\context Voice = sop \upperOne
\context Voice = con \upperTwo
\lyricsto "sop" \new Lyrics \firstverse
\context Staff = "tenor"
<<
\clef treble
\context Voice = ten \lowerOne
\lyricsto "ten" \new Lyrics \secondverse
\context Staff = "bass"
<<
\clef bass
\context Voice = bas \lowerTwo
\lyricsto "bas" \new Lyrics \thirdverse
[...]
Now, lilypond complains with:
4vozes.ly:64:16: warning: cannot find Voice `sop'
\lyricsto "sop" \new Lyrics \firstverse
Any hint?
Thank you
Alberto
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Re: display chords (Ami7(b5))
On Feb 22, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Hi, How do I make chords with the 5th an half tone lower or higher (e.g. b5 or #5)? for example Am7(b5) or D7(#5) I just asked this same question a couple of weeks ago. The standard way would be: Am7(b5) for two beats = a2:m7.5- which will render as Aø D7(#5) for four beats = d1:7.5+ which will render as D7/#5 You can do #9 or b9, etc. this way. All the altered notes will be preceded by a slash except the major 7th, m7b5 and diminished chords which are denoted by a delta, diminished sign or half-diminished sign respectively. There are other options for rendering the chords which involve setting up a file of chord markups. For more information, look in the mailing list archives for the thread "Hello! and question about jazz chords" for more details. The thread started 10 Feb 2009. Hope this helps! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lyrics and melody
also, like the centered hyphens, you can get smart(er) extender lines using " __ " (note the spaces around the underscores), but if you've read section 2.4, you've seen that already. El 22.02.2009, a las 16:49, Trevor Daniels escribió: Alberto Simões wrote Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:25 PM Grammostola Rosea wrote: hi, this melody: g4 a bes | es1( | es4) f, g a | d2 d and I want to add these lyrics: The fall - ing leaves_ drift by my win - dow, Probably you want: The fall- ing leaves drift by my win- dow or, to get centered hyphens, The fall -- ing leaves drift by my win -- dow See Learning Manual section 2.4 for more. Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
SPACING AND MIDI ISSUES
Hello All,
I have a piece that currently is 84 pages in length.
It is 6 voices in harmony. When the pdf files is generated, however,
each page shows six lines at the top, a GAP, and then 6 lines again at
the bottom...until the final page...when there are 6 lines followed by
six lines - NO gap.
The other issue is the generating of a midi file. The score has what I
assume to be the proper \midi { } placement since there are no error
messages...but I don't see any midi file being created.
The spacing issue is a bit more crucial, since losing that GAP would
cut-down on the number of printed pages required.
Thanks in advance for your help,
Mischa
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LilyPond on Leopard
Hi, I used LilyPond for a brief period several years ago on Mac 10.4 (Tiger) and it was working fine. I stopped using it for awhile, but I've become interested in it again. In the meantime, though, I've upgraded to Leopard. I tried downloading LilyPond directly from http://ivo.bouwmans.name/lilypondleopard/ , but I couldn't get that to work (there was no usable menu) and I concluded LilyPond wouldn't work under Leopard. But I've spent several days reading everything I could about getting LilyPond to run on Leopard and finally downloaded it (compiled?) via Fink and Fink Commander (Fink Commander compiled version 2.10.33, not 2.12). I found I could create a test file in TextEdit, and get the output compiled through the Terminal and I've been successful using files from mutopia. I've also been experimenting using jEdit, but I have not been able to output files from jEdit with the LilyPond Tool. Just so you know, this is my first foray into compiling open source software and I'm not that familiar with the terminal. Here's my question: I can get the .ly to output as .pdf. and .ps files successfully, but I also get the error message below. Is this normal and should I be concerned about it? Additionally, the output files always get saved to my ~ folder, no matter where the .ly file was. GNU LilyPond 2.10.33 Fontconfig error: Cannot load config file "/usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/ fonts.conf" Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file Processing `/Users/christopherberg/Documents/LilyPond files/ bach_siciliano_bmv_1031.ly' Parsing... Interpreting music... Interpreting music... [8][16][24][32][33] Preprocessing graphical objects... MIDI output to `bach_siciliano_bmv_1031.midi'... Layout output to `bach_siciliano_bmv_1031.ps'... Converting to `bach_siciliano_bmv_1031.pdf'... I hope this is enough information… I really don't know enough to know exactly what to ask. I guess I can live with running around looking in different folders but it would be nice to have some control over where the output files end up. Thank you so much for any advice you can offer! Christopher Berg http://www.myspace.com/bergchristopher http://www.myspace.com/rossignolduo http://www.christopherberg.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: display chords (Ami7(b5))
Tim McNamara wrote: On Feb 22, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Hi, How do I make chords with the 5th an half tone lower or higher (e.g. b5 or #5)? for example Am7(b5) or D7(#5) I just asked this same question a couple of weeks ago. The standard way would be: Am7(b5) for two beats = a2:m7.5- which will render as Aø D7(#5) for four beats = d1:7.5+ which will render as D7/#5 You can do #9 or b9, etc. this way. All the altered notes will be preceded by a slash except the major 7th, m7b5 and diminished chords which are denoted by a delta, diminished sign or half-diminished sign respectively. There are other options for rendering the chords which involve setting up a file of chord markups. For more information, look in the mailing list archives for the thread "Hello! and question about jazz chords" for more details. The thread started 10 Feb 2009. Thanks! Yeah it would be nice if jazz chords will be improved in Lilypond, like it was suggested in the link you gave... \r ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Persian musical koron and sori
Hi, I produced a package of things that I could do. I made a TTF Persian font called Vaziri which has the music notations. I also created a separate folder for a version of the font (without Persian text characters) in OTF and Type1 format with all their related files. There is also a PDF for 21 Persian music symbols that I could collect. Hope it helps. http://idisk.mac.com/behnam-Public?view=web Behnam On 20-Feb-09, at 6:23 PM, Kees van den Doel wrote: \override Accidental #'stencil = #ly:text-interface::print \override Accidental #'font-name = #"???" \override Accidental #'font-size = #? \override Accidental #'text = #(lambda (grob) (cdr (assoc (ly:grob-property grob 'alteration) persianStrings))) \override Accidental #'X-extent = #'(0 . 1) \override Accidental #'Y-extent = #'(-1 . 1) and so on for KeySignature I added lookup code for the positioning of the symbols and it works great with Pertout's microtonal font (http://www.pertout.com/ PhD2007Introduction.htm), sample attached! Thanks again. But can't understand how to get KeySignature to print these symbols though, anyone out there that understands how to do that? Should KeySignature have a list in # 'text perhaps? Kees ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond on Leopard
Christopher, Have you tried the suggestions on Nicolas Sceaux's site? Here's the address: http://nicolas.sceaux.free.fr/index.php/2008/11/24/26-building-lilypond-from-git-sources-on-mac-os-105-intel Good luck with this. 2.12 is really much better than 2.10.33. Jon Christopher Berg wrote: Hi, I used LilyPond for a brief period several years ago on Mac 10.4 (Tiger) and it was working fine. I stopped using it for awhile, but I've become interested in it again. In the meantime, though, I've upgraded to Leopard. I tried downloading LilyPond directly from http://ivo.bouwmans.name/lilypondleopard/, but I couldn't get that to work (there was no usable menu) and I concluded LilyPond wouldn't work under Leopard. But I've spent several days reading everything I could about getting LilyPond to run on Leopard and finally downloaded it (compiled?) via Fink and Fink Commander (Fink Commander compiled version 2.10.33, not 2.12). I found I could create a test file in TextEdit, and get the output compiled through the Terminal and I've been successful using files from mutopia. I've also been experimenting using jEdit, but I have not been able to output files from jEdit with the LilyPond Tool. Just so you know, this is my first foray into compiling open source software and I'm not that familiar with the terminal. Here's my question: I can get the .ly to output as .pdf. and .ps files successfully, but I also get the error message below. Is this normal and should I be concerned about it? Additionally, the output files always get saved to my ~ folder, no matter where the .ly file was. GNU LilyPond 2.10.33 Fontconfig error: Cannot load config file "/usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/fonts.conf" Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file Processing `/Users/christopherberg/Documents/LilyPond files/bach_siciliano_bmv_1031.ly' Parsing... Interpreting music... Interpreting music... [8][16][24][32][33] Preprocessing graphical objects... MIDI output to `bach_siciliano_bmv_1031.midi'... Layout output to `bach_siciliano_bmv_1031.ps'... Converting to `bach_siciliano_bmv_1031.pdf'... I hope this is enough information… I really don't know enough to know exactly what to ask. I guess I can live with running around looking in different folders but it would be nice to have some control over where the output files end up. Thank you so much for any advice you can offer! Christopher Berg http://www.myspace.com/bergchristopher http://www.myspace.com/rossignolduo http://www.christopherberg.com -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: \transpose and \transposition combination error(?)
Hmm. Not sure it's a bug. The \transpose command transposes all
pitches within its scope, including the pitch in the \transposition
command.
You can compensate for this by using \transposition ees rather than
\transposition bes in your example, but this seems a little
confusing
and rather destroys the point of having just one \transpose command.
I'm sure others on the list will have better approaches to this
problem.
Trevor
- Original Message -
From: "Zbyněk Burget"
To: "Lilypond"
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:20 PM
Subject: \transpose and \transposition combination error(?)
Hi,
I found a (probably) error in combination \transpose and
\transposition functions.
I've score:
\score {
\new StaffGroup <<
\new Staff {
\key c \major
c'1
}
\new Staff {
\transposition bes
\key d \major
d'1
}
>>
\midi {}
}
There is allright. But...
...now I need transpose all score to another key:
\score { \transpose c d {
\new StaffGroup <<
\new Staff {
\key c \major
c'1
}
\new Staff {
\transposition bes
\key d \major
d'1
}
>> }
\midi {}
}
In this case is produced midi file wrong. Only way to produce
correct midi is as follows:
...
\new Staff {
\transposition bes
\key d \major
\transpose c g { d'1 }
}
...
Is it error or feature?
Zbynek
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Re: Partial measures
One way to do this is with measureLength:
\relative c'' {
\time 4/4
\repeat volta 2 {
\partial 8 gis8 |
fis4 g g c, |
\set Score.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 7 8)
b2. r8 |
\set Score.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 4 4)
}
fis4 g g c, |
}
~
Jonathan Kulp-2 wrote:
>
> Nick Payne wrote:
>> Jon
>>
>> What you have below works fine with the small example, but when I remove
>> the
>> \partial at the beginning of the 2nd repeat in the actual score, not only
>> do
>> I not get the partial measure, but Lilypond gets quite bamboozled (see
>> attached png of the final page) and forgets to put in any line breaks
>> between bars 13 and 24.
>>
>> Adding the partials back gets correct looking output at the cost of
>> barcheck
>> failed warnings.
>>
>> Nick
>>
> Boy that does look weird. Maybe there's a way to reset the barcheck
> counter (or whatever it's called) after the \partial command in the 2nd
> half so that all the rest of the barchecks work. Could you attach the
> whole file so I can have a look. I'm curious about this.
>
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Re: Cannot correctly code this rhythm...
Brett Duncan wrote:
I've been fiddling with your files, and I cannot get the main notes to
perfectly line up, even when I set proportionalNotationDuration to a
very small value. The main culprits appear to be the grace notes, as
Carl indicated, but also the tremolos. (A bug, maybe?)
And set SpacingSpanner #'strict-grace-spacing to ##t did not seem to
have a discernable effect.
When I put \override SpacingSpanner #'strict-grace-spacing to ##t into
the score's \with block, I get errors like
programming error: No spring between column 992 and next one continuing,
cross fingers,
and output like the attached, but it's probably because of other things
I tried too.
Anyway, I tried moving the Spacing_engraver into the DrumStaff context,
but I don't think it makes much difference.
I now have the following, which doesn't look too bad, but I've put in
too many settings which try to fight each other!
\new Score \with { \remove Spacing_engraver }
{
\new DrumStaff \with {
\override BarLine #'bar-size = #4
\consists Spacing_engraver
proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 2)
\override SpacingSpanner #'uniform-stretching = ##t
\override SpacingSpanner #'common-shortest-duration =
#(ly:make-moment 1 16)
\override SpacingSpanner #'base-shortest-duration =
#(ly:make-moment 1 8)
\override SpacingSpanner #'average-spacing-wishes = ##t
\override SpacingSpanner #'shortest-duration-space = #0.35
\override SpacingSpanner #'spacing-increment = #2.45
}
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\score inside define-markup-command
Hi all, is it possible to use the \score markup function in a new defined markup function construct? For example, #(define-markup-command (test layout props testclef) (string?) (interpret-markup layout props (markup #:score ( << \clef #testclef a4 h c >> This is invalid code because it mixes LilyPond and Scheme syntax. How can I achieve something similar to what's expressed in this dummy code piece? Regards, Michael ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: display chords (Ami7(b5))
On Feb 22, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: On Feb 22, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Hi, How do I make chords with the 5th an half tone lower or higher (e.g. b5 or #5)? for example Am7(b5) or D7(#5) I just asked this same question a couple of weeks ago. The standard way would be: Am7(b5) for two beats = a2:m7.5- which will render as Aø D7(#5) for four beats = d1:7.5+ which will render as D7/#5 You can do #9 or b9, etc. this way. All the altered notes will be preceded by a slash except the major 7th, m7b5 and diminished chords which are denoted by a delta, diminished sign or half- diminished sign respectively. There are other options for rendering the chords which involve setting up a file of chord markups. For more information, look in the mailing list archives for the thread "Hello! and question about jazz chords" for more details. The thread started 10 Feb 2009. Thanks! Yeah it would be nice if jazz chords will be improved in Lilypond, like it was suggested in the link you gave... Well, the jazz chord rendering follows a set of conventions, just not the ones established at Berklee and in the Real Book. There's really nothing wrong with it except that it's not what most jazz musicians will expect (and the slash is a bit confusing- "is the #5 in the bass?"). But I've been handed lots of charts at rehearsals with the chords rendered the way LilyPond does it. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: (de)cresendi syntax
Frederic, I have made some comments in your message below. Thanks for taking on this project. This type of proposal probably should go to lilypond-devel, rather than -user, so I'm cross-posting to -devel. On 2/22/09 1:25 AM, "Frédéric Bron" wrote: > Hello, > > I am in charge of the question of (de)crescendo syntax issue in 2.12.2. > > Here is what lilypond 2.12.2 currently does (in ly/spanners-init.ly): > > - \< and \cr are equivalent: they start a crescendo event on the > previous note: #(make-span-event 'CrescendoEvent START) > - \> and \decr are equivalent: they start a decrescendo event on the > previous note: #(make-span-event 'DecrescendoEvent START) > - \!, \endcr and \enddecr are equivalent: they stop of (de)cresendo > event on the previous note: #(make-span-event 'CrescendoEvent STOP), > #(make-span-event 'DecrescendoEvent STOP) (is it really equivalent?) > > - the following commands set the (de)cresendo to be text with dashed > line or hairpin forever (until changed to something else): >. crescTextCresc -> text "cresc." >. dimTextDecresc -> text "decresc." >. dimTextDecr -> text "decr." >. dimTextDim -> text "dim." >. crescHairpin -> hairpin >. dimHairpin -> hairpin > > > - the following commands start a text (de)crescendo on the next note > (affects only the next (de)crescendo): >. cresc -> text "cresc." >. dim -> text "dim." > - the following commands stop a (de)crescendo on the next note: >. enddim >. endcresc > > > Current syntax is not satisfactory because: > > - syntax is different between \<, \>, \! and \cresc, \dim, \enddim, > \endcresc (undocumented): >. \<, \>, \! apply to the previous note, >. \cresc, \dim, \enddim, \endcresc apply to the next note > - there is no symmetry between \crescText, \dimText commands and > \ commands > - some people just want cresc. to be printed without dashed line (spanner) > - \endcresc does something different from \endcr which is confusing > > > Here are my dreams: > > - \<, \>, \! are used to start/stop (de)crescendo spanner (hairpin or text), > - crescTextXXX, dimTextXXX, crescHairpin, dimHairpin decide if \<, \>, > \! produce text or hairpin (applies for ever until changed to something > else), I would prefer simpler syntax: \crescCresc, \crescHairpin, > \dimDim, \dimDecr, \dimDecresc, i.e. remove Text This part of the syntax got hashed out pretty heavily as part of 2.10. I think that the crescXXX and dimXXX syntax is where we want it. The issue is that there are hairpin crescendos and decrescendos, and there are text crescendos and decrescendos. That's why the Text word was put in there. Perhaps we could make a change, but we ought to review this carefully. The previous conversation was at http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.devel/15693/focus=15696 This is all coupled together with the idea that there are dynamic markings that aren't really spanners, but are just markups for the individual note. > - \<"cresc.", \<"cresc. poco a poco", \>"dim."... produce a text spanner > with corresponding text, the spanner is ended with \!, the text applies > only once, i.e. next (de)crescendo produces hairpin if this is the > current setting I believe that this will require a rewrite of the parser. It will be challenging to identify the difference between \< which starts a crescendo spanner in your proposal above, and \<"my crescendo text here" which starts a text spanner. > - \cresc, \dim, \decr, \decresc produce a text without spanner, applies > only once to the previous note, no need to finish with \! or \endcresc, > this could be implemented with a \markup command I don't like the idea of changing current syntax so dramatically, but I may be in the minority here. > - remove unnecessary \cr, \endcr, \decr, \enddecr I'm not sure why we have both \cr and \<. If the two really are equivalent, one ought to be deprecated before it is ultimately removed. > - remove unnecessary \enddim, \endcresc > > I know that it is not possible to implement this only with scheme and > lily code but I am sure it is possible in C++. > > Could you please comment on these propositions and give any other ideas. > > F. Bron > > PS: attached is a file that show the behaviour of the commands. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Persian music
Hi all,
Many thanks for all your help, we can now write Persian music!!
If you want to try it you can download the init file persian.ly and
the font file (put in Lilypond font directory) from here:
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~kvdoel/tmp/persian.zip
and try stuff like:
\include "persian.ly"
\version "2.12.2"
\score {
\relative c' {
\set Staff.keySignature = \chahargahD
bk'8 a gs fo r g ak g fs ek d c d ef16 d c4
}
\midi { }
\layout {
\context {
\Score \override KeySignature #'text = #chahargahDKey
}
}
}
Kees
chahargah.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
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Re: Re: Partial measures
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }
Thanks. Using your suggestion fixes all the problems I was seeing.
Nick
On Mon 23/02/09 9:11 AM , jpeters j...@jpeters.net sent:
One way to do this is with measureLength:
relative c'' {
time 4/4
repeat volta 2 {
partial 8 gis8 |
fis4 g g c, |
set Score.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 7 8)
b2. r8 |
set Score.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 4 4)
}
fis4 g g c, |
}
~
Jonathan Kulp-2 wrote:
>
> Nick Payne wrote:
>> Jon
>>
>> What you have below works fine with the small example, but when I
remove
>> the
>> partial at the beginning of the 2nd repeat in the actual score,
not only
>> do
>> I not get the partial measure, but Lilypond gets quite bamboozled
(see
>> attached png of the final page) and forgets to put in any line
breaks
>> between bars 13 and 24.
>>
>> Adding the partials back gets correct looking output at the cost
of
>> barcheck
>> failed warnings.
>>
>> Nick
>>
> Boy that does look weird. Maybe there's a way to reset the
barcheck
> counter (or whatever it's called) after the partial command in the
2nd
> half so that all the rest of the barchecks work. Could you attach
the
> whole file so I can have a look. I'm curious about this.
>
> Jon
>
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