why doesn't Y-offset work for Hairpins?

2006-10-08 Thread Marcus Macauley

The documentation page for Hairpin --
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/Hairpin.html
-- lists Y-offset as one of the standard settings. It also says that  
Hairpin supports grob-interface, and the grob-interface page --

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/grob_002dinterface.html
-- also lists Y-offset as one of the "User settable properties".

So I would assume that putting

\once \override Score.Hairpin #'Y-offset = #6

before a hairpin object would shift it up or down, in this case by 6 staff  
spaces.


But in fact, the following example moves the hairpin not at all:

\version "2.9.17"
\layout { ragged-right = ##t }
{
\once \override Score.Hairpin #'Y-offset = #6
\relative c' {c1\> c1\!}
}

Am I missing something, or is this a bug?

BTW, X-offset works just fine. And extra-offset works too, but I don't  
think that's what I want (because it doesn't create any extra space).


Marcus


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Re: why doesn't Y-offset work for Hairpins?

2006-10-08 Thread Kieren MacMillan

Hi, Marcus:


Am I missing something, or is this a bug?


It sure seems like a bug to me... try posting to bug-lilypond.

In the meantime, you can use
\once \override DynamicLineSpanner #'padding = #6
which is what I *always* use anyway!  =)

Cheers,
Kieren.




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Crowded output

2006-10-08 Thread Ed Ardzinski
I am writing in a style lately that has separate score commands for 
introduction, verse 1 etc.


I have an 8 bar intro witht he folowing voices: guitar, guitar tab, 
chords/rhythm, bass.  There is not problem getting these to play with each 
other.  The problem is purely cosmetic:  The entire 8 bars is showing on one 
line and I'd like it to be more readable and span 2 lines.


At first I found an awkward work-around: I placed a measure of rest at the 
beginning...could of construed that as the drummer clicking it off.  But 
when I found a slight mistake in one part it evidently resulted in an 
internal calculation saying put this on one line.


Tried to look for likely overrides in the 2.6 documentation (I'm using 
2.6.5) but really didn;t see anything.  I'll keep looking, but if there is a 
way to nudge the start of a score over a few centimeters that would seem to 
make the thing work like I want.


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Lilypond for Mac OS 7.6?

2006-10-08 Thread Claus Rogge
Hi,

I´d like to know if there is an older version of Lilypond available 
that will run on my old PowerBook 190 
using OS 7.6?



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Re: Lilypond for Mac OS 7.6?

2006-10-08 Thread Graham Percival

Claus Rogge wrote:


I´d like to know if there is an older version of Lilypond available 
that will run on my old PowerBook 190 
using OS 7.6?


No, sorry.  The absolute minimum is OSX.  If you could install linux 
onto your old powerbook, it would work.


Cheers
- Graham Percival


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Re: Lilypond for Mac OS 7.6?

2006-10-08 Thread Claus Rogge
Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The absolute minimum is OSX.  

Nice to get an answer so fast! Thanks!

> If you could install linux 
> onto your old powerbook, it would work.

... considering ... but I think it would take too much of my time.
Thanks anyway!




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Re: Crowded output

2006-10-08 Thread Graham Percival

Ed Ardzinski wrote:
Tried to look for likely overrides in the 2.6 documentation (I'm using 
2.6.5) but really didn;t see anything.  I'll keep looking, but if there 
is a way to nudge the start of a score over a few centimeters that would 
seem to make the thing work like I want.


\layout { indent = 3.0\cm }

You could also insert a manual \break.

Cheers,
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Re: why doesn't Y-offset work for Hairpins?

2006-10-08 Thread Mats Bengtsson
The explanation may be something similar as the explanation in the 
section on "Text Markup" on why \left-align doesn't have any effect

for RehearsalMark objects.

  /Mats

Quoting Marcus Macauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


The documentation page for Hairpin --
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/Hairpin.html
-- lists Y-offset as one of the standard settings. It also says that  
Hairpin supports grob-interface, and the grob-interface page --

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/grob_002dinterface.html
-- also lists Y-offset as one of the "User settable properties".

So I would assume that putting

\once \override Score.Hairpin #'Y-offset = #6

before a hairpin object would shift it up or down, in this case by 6 
staff  spaces.


But in fact, the following example moves the hairpin not at all:

\version "2.9.17"
\layout { ragged-right = ##t }
{
\once \override Score.Hairpin #'Y-offset = #6
\relative c' {c1\> c1\!}
}

Am I missing something, or is this a bug?

BTW, X-offset works just fine. And extra-offset works too, but I 
don't  think that's what I want (because it doesn't create any extra 
space).


Marcus


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Re: no automatic beaming: bug?

2006-10-08 Thread Mats Bengtsson

Note that you don't get any beam in the following example either
(for the same reason):

\score{
\relative c'{c8 d e}
}

Since the default beaming rules say that 8th notes should be beamed 
together 4 and 4 in common time, you could rather say

that it's an inconsequence that \score{
\relative c'{c8 d e r}
}
does produce a beam. I hope you realize that in your first example
that rest occurs in a completely different Voice context, so the 
implementation has no chance to see that the three notes are followed 
by a rest. I hope you also have read "Explicitly Instantiating Voices"

so you know a clean way to handle this situation.

   /Mats



Quoting Michael Kiermaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


In lilypond 2.8.6 this input

{ << {c''8 d''8 c''8} \\ {r4.} >> r8 r2 }

gives three eighth notes with seperated flags (i.e. without a beam). In my
opinion, that is a bug.


In contrast, the slightly modified input

{ << {c''8 d''8 c''8 r} \\ {r2} >> r2 }

produces a beam.


~michael


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Re: triangle voice

2006-10-08 Thread Mats Bengtsson
The RhythmicStaff context doesn't print any clef by default. If you 
want to change that, you have to add the clef engraver yourself:


\new RhythmicStaff \with{\consists "Clef_engraver"}{
 \triangolo
}

If you search the mailing list archives, you can find lots
of examples on how to set the padding to increase the spacing
to the rehearsal marks.

  /Mats

Quoting Michael Kiermaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


I wrote a triangle voice using a RhythmicStaff.

There are two problems I want to show by a small example:

\version "2.8.6"

triangolo = {
 \clef percussion
 c c c c |
 \mark \default |
 \repeat "percent" 50 {c2 c |}
}

\new RhythmicStaff {
 \triangolo
}

1) The rehersal mark collides with the bar line. Is there a way to raise all
the rehersal marks by a certain distance?

2) the percussion clef doesn't get printed.


I also played around with DrumStaff staffs, but I did not get the results I
wanted.

~Michael


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Re: why doesn't Y-offset work for Hairpins?

2006-10-08 Thread Marcus Macauley

Kieren MacMillan wrote:

In the meantime, you can use
\once \override DynamicLineSpanner #'padding = #6
which is what I *always* use anyway!  =)


Mats Bengtsson wrote:
The explanation may be something similar as the explanation in the  
section on "Text Markup" on why \left-align doesn't have any effect

for RehearsalMark objects.


It seems you are both right.

Kieren, your suggestion works perfectly.

And I now notice at the bottom of the Dynamics page --
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond/Dynamics.html
-- the following note under "See also":

"Program reference: DynamicText, Hairpin. Vertical positioning of these  
symbols is handled by DynamicLineSpanner."


That should have clued me in. But I wonder why "Hairpin" even has a  
"Y-offset" setting -- listed at

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/Hairpin.html
-- if it doesn't do anything. As part of grob-interface, sure. But to have  
it listed separately on the Hairpin page, seems unnecessary and confusing  
to me. There are many other grobs which have no such setting listed.


Anyway, thanks to both of you for your quick and helpful responses!

Marcus


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Re: Crowded output

2006-10-08 Thread Ed Ardzinski

Thanks!



From: Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ed Ardzinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Crowded output
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:39:54 -0700

Ed Ardzinski wrote:
Tried to look for likely overrides in the 2.6 documentation (I'm using 
2.6.5) but really didn;t see anything.  I'll keep looking, but if there is 
a way to nudge the start of a score over a few centimeters that would seem 
to make the thing work like I want.


\layout { indent = 3.0\cm }

You could also insert a manual \break.

Cheers,
- Graham


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Horizontal beams (automatically)?

2006-10-08 Thread Marcus Macauley

I know this has been asked before, but I haven't found an answer:

Is there a way to automatically make all beams flat, or to automatically  
make a certain beam flat?


Searching the documentation and lilypond-user, I found two methods,  
neither of them sufficient.


The first method,
   \override Beam #'damping = #10
, should make the beams horizontal, according to the documentation --
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/Beam.html
and
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/beam_002dinterface.html
-- but in fact they remain slightly slanted. (For example, one end of the  
beam sits on the staff line, while the other end of the beam straddles it.)


The second method (as suggested recently by Trevor Baca on this list),
   \override Beam #'positions = #'(4 . 4)
, works fine for individual beams, but is impractical for a whole piece;  
you'd have to manually set the position of each beam.


Any other ideas?

Marcus


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